UK faces file-sharing crackdown

[real6]

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-332139.html

Peter Mandelson, UK's secretary of state for business, innovation and skills, is planning a major crackdown on illegal file-sharing, according to reports over the weekend.

The issue of copyrighted material being shared online is already the subject of an official, post-Digital Britain consultation, which is due to close on September 15. However, Stephen Timms — the successor to Digital Britain author Lord Carter — told the Financial Times on Friday that the issue was a "live area" and proposals to tackle copyright violations should perhaps be brought forward.

Digital Britain recommended a year-long trial period where ISPs send letters to suspected file-sharers. At the end of that year, if fewer than 70 percent of the recipients stopped sharing copyrighted material, the report suggested the imposition of technical measures to restrict bandwidth or block certain protocols. It is that year-long period that could now be shortened.

"The measures in the Digital Britain report may evolve slightly," a spokesperson for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) told ZDNet UK on Monday. "What we've heard from people [during the initial stages of the consultation period] was a lot of criticism that those tech measures wouldn't be introduced for a number of years, until 2012."

BIS's spokesperson denied reports that Mandelson had decided to become more involved in the issue after dining with music mogul David Geffen in Corfu last week.

"[Mandelson] has been very close to [Digital Britain] the whole time," the spokesperson said. "Carter was brought in to do the job, but, at the implementation stage, it's only natural that Lord Mandelson will take more of an interest."

[kde_]

yeh yeh same old same old

[misterethoughts]

Here it comes.

[djhooker]

i really wish mandelson would fuck right off. not much they can do about it though if you're crafty enough.

[kingkong]

Obviously, this is going to be used SELECTIVELY, because you cannot imprison (or give a criminal record to) 7 million people, or however many share copyrighted songs. Think of what that would do to the economy! It can't be done.

So if they ever do start this, it will be done selectively, which is illegal.

Frankly, I don't think they're going to do it.

[decim]

A rothschild - A mandelson - & A geffen walk onto their pyrate ship, the SS killLibertyforgoy.

They devise a plan on how further loot the peasants on treasure island, nett result, the UK has their freedom further curtailed & their wallets rifled.

Feckin Crooks!

[rosix]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I welcome them with open arms to try it!! BRING IT ON!! I will have their hats

[diaphos]

People will just switch to darknets

[scotty99]

More propaganda from Mandie.Stopping file sharing is like trying to put the lava back in the volcano....................I do feel sorry for up and coming musicians who cant make a living now from CD sales, but thats thanks to major labels taking the piss out of everyone and making a fortune for years.....chickens have come home to roost.

ISP's know that Broadband is used mainly to file share and and look at adult material, how many people would cancel their 20 meg accounts if ISPs blocked filesharing? quite a few a reckon. ISPs are making their income from all this traffic. thats why companies like Virgin sent out letters saying "Dont file share Its naughty" awhile back, they gotta look like they are doing something

[decim]

What's up with geffen rothschild & mandelbot, the tribe still have 99.9% of the porn industry.

Greedy porn pyrates.

[anyuser]

UK anti-file P2P sharing reports ’speculative’ (http://www.p2pnet.net/story/27020) UK Backs Away

Britain is trying to finesse stories that it’s all set to make life even harder for people who share music with each other online.

“Various media outlets reported that Lord Mandelson, secretary of state for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS), had ordered that the legislative measures be beefed up to include sanctions such as fines and cutting off of Internet access,” says Billboard.

Very true.

“Seven million Britain’s could be turned into criminals if government anti-P2P, anti-file sharing plans are put into practice,” said p2pnet.

“Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, is said to be persuaded by the argument for tough laws to curb illegal file-sharing after an intensive lobbying campaign by influential people in the music and film industry,” says the Independent.

“Persuaded” by, “influential people in the music and film industry?”

How could vested Hollywood and Big 4 music cartel purely commercial interests possibly carry any weight in a government elected by the people? - we wondered.

But you know how it goes and meanwhile, “A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills tells Billboard.biz that the reports contained ’speculation’ and that the consultation process on legislation continues,” it says.

The Reuters pic on the bottom shows Iz Lordship enjoying a close encounter of the slime kind, as reported in the Telegraph last month.

http://www.p2pnet.net/images/mgrx.jpg

[batou]

A rothschild - A mandelson - & A geffen walk onto their pyrate ship, the SS killLibertyforgoy.

They devise a plan on how further loot the peasants on treasure island, nett result, the UK has their freedom further curtailed & their wallets rifled.

Feckin Crooks!

"Prison planet"... makes sense huh?

[drhemp]

Obviously, this is going to be used SELECTIVELY, because you cannot imprison (or give a criminal record to) 7 million people, or however many share copyrighted songs. Think of what that would do to the economy! It can't be done.

So if they ever do start this, it will be done selectively, which is illegal.

Frankly, I don't think they're going to do it.

Since when has the fact whether something is legal or not ever bothered this Government in its actions?

[decim]

When they aren't getting a slice of the action.

Since when has the fact whether something is legal or not ever bothered this Government in its actions?

[Ian2day]

When they aren't getting a slice of the action.


There all sicko's. I refused the sicko's club and I'm now in the position I am in. No one can imagine, unless involved in the scam played on me, how it feels to be me. They tried to normalise alternative behaviour. Well I resisted their sick fucking games. Bunch of fucking cunts they are. If their reading this now fuck you, you sicko bastards.

[godgoo]

I dont understand why ISP's dont just charge the 1 pound or 1 dollar proposal sheme? On all accounts and share the revenue of that, between the digital industry. Thus everyone gets money and more besides, this will also make more content available on mass. You can then download what you want when you want, at no extra charge. Every ones happy :)

[steevo]

Is file sharing over the internet actually illegal ?

[rosix]

Is file sharing over the internet actually illegal ?

it is what is commonly called a "grey area" :) and that's per all their rules and bullshit

[godgoo]

It is in essence human behavioural sharing, no more, no less. Just because what you are sharing comes with a copyright, it doesn't actually mean that it is illegal? I suppose only for resale. As aslong as it remains on a hardrive then it is just zero's and ones, imo. If you don't want people to share, then do not produce, it's that simple :)

atishu atishu they all fall down :)

[655321]

Sharing? That's communism!

[godgoo]

Is file sharing over the internet actually illegal ?It is deemed illegal, but it is only sharing. What these people have to realise and appreciate, is that. The electrons are not theirs anymore once they pass down the line, so maybe we are talking arrangement here or something? Once those electrons pass down to my line, into my property then those are mine they are on my HD, which is mine. So I own them and their arrangement. So streamed content is legal :) it has to be. Data encrypted onto disc, maybe not so legal. this is fare.

The idea here and the legality I think, would be to trace the person who uploaded not downloaded? And if the data was streamed content into homes? Once data is streamed into your home to an appliance then it and it's arrangement is yours. It has to be or I am missing something. Or maybe they would prefer to own all electrons on the line? No? because data is copied continuously throughout the transaction process. So there is no copyright; copyright is only appropriate to hard media. They are the ones who are actually infringing on copyright laws.

But we are bent over a barrel so to speak by ISP's, which do not offer reasonable upload speeds and so this curbs illegal file sharing. But if their plans unfold and they monopolise on this, then upload speeds may go through the roof? And then once again IRC and encrypted networks will take care of the rest :)

[Ian2day]

It is deemed illegal, but it is only sharing. What these people have to realise and appreciate, is that. The electrons are not theirs anymore once they pass down the line, so maybe we are talking arrangement here or something? Once those electrons pass down to my line, into my property then those are mine they are on my HD, which is mine. So I own them and their arrangement. So streamed content is legal :) it has to be. Data encrypted onto disc, maybe not so legal. this is fare.

The idea here and the legality I think, would be to trace the person who uploaded not downloaded? And if the data was streamed content into homes? Once data is streamed into your home to an appliance then it and it's arrangement is yours. It has to be or I am missing something. Or maybe they would prefer to own all electrons on the line? No? because data is copied continuously throughout the transaction process. So there is no copyright; copyright is only appropriate to hard media. They are the ones who are actually infringing on copyright laws.

But we are bent over a barrel so to speak by ISP's, which do not offer reasonable upload speeds and so this curbs illegal file sharing. But if their plans unfold and they monopolise on this, then upload speeds may go through the roof? And then once again IRC and encrypted networks will take care of the rest :)

So very true...

[rosix]

most people get scared into paying or whatever because they are sent a list of all the files they have downloaded.. but just because you have a file called "Lady_Gaga_-_Poker_Face.mp3" that downloaded to your computer doesn't mean that it actually contained any supposedly copyrighted material - I could record myself singing a public domain song like Baa Baa Black Sheep and just call it whatever I want, "Lady_Gaga_-_Poker_Face.mp3" and I could share it on a p2p network. Them having 'proof' of you having downloaded supposedly copyrighted material is almost never actual proof at all.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, in England you can't just sue the owner of the property containing the computer that allegedly downloaded the supposed copyright material - you have to prove who did it and sue them.

[decim]

111,000 new 'laws' are going to accompany the final implementation of the Lisbon treachery.


most people get scared into paying or whatever because they are sent a list of all the files they have downloaded.. but just because you have a file called "Lady_Gaga_-_Poker_Face.mp3" that downloaded to your computer doesn't mean that it actually contained any supposedly copyrighted material - I could record myself singing a public domain song like Baa Baa Black Sheep and just call it whatever I want, "Lady_Gaga_-_Poker_Face.mp3" and I could share it on a p2p network. Them having 'proof' of you having downloaded supposedly copyrighted material is almost never actual proof at all.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, in England you can't just sue the owner of the property containing the computer that allegedly downloaded the supposed copyright material - you have to prove who did it and sue them.

[bealert]

111,000 new 'laws' are going to accompany the final implementation of the Lisbon treachery.
get spotify its free and legal and it has nearly every song you can think off

[Ian2day]

get spotify its free and legal and it has nearly every song you can think off

spotify?

[godgoo]

just because you have a file called "Lady_Gaga_-_Poker_Face.mp3" But what if you streamed the data? from a promotional site? then this file could be in /temp? So the data has already been copied. All data is copied to HD even if only temporary, so what is the point? what about I tunes? copyright material is being copied by the providers and the recipient user. It's being pushed along networks by copying, then checked and transfered by copying? so whats the point. To get from one machine to another it is copied.

[godgoo]

how many copies can you make of an mp3? thousands just right click copy and paste? So whats the point.

[smoke n mirrors]

spotify?

http://www.spotify.com/en/

I'm surprised you never thought of it. :)

.

[godgoo]

cp -r /media/copyright/*.mp3 /copyrighted/mp3's/ HAHAHAHAH :)

[rosix]

get spotify its free and legal and it has nearly every song you can think off

I have over 200,000 songs and I bet you spotify doesn't have more than 15% of the albums I have.. maybe not even 10% of the albums I actually listen to a lot.

[bealert]

it has over 6 million. It as a huge catalog and as the 4 major record labels plus more. if your in the USA hard luck you cant use it lol. goodbye itunes!

[Ian2day]

http://www.spotify.com/en/

I'm surprised you never thought of it. :)

.

I was being ironic or is it moronic. :confused: hmm :D

[real6]

get spotify its free and legal and it has nearly every song you can think off

But remember also. I also download albums. The ones you like, buy the fucking CD!!!

Support the artist. Without supporting them we wouldn't have beautiful music out there.

And download the hell out of the ones that are horrible.... mauhahahaha

[rydeon]

Here it comes.

Left-wing fascists at it again mate. Screw em. They've only got months to go imo.

[bealert]

But remember also. I also download albums. The ones you like, buy the fucking CD!!!

Support the artist. Without supporting them we wouldn't have beautiful music out there.

And download the hell out of the ones that are horrible.... mauhahahaha
spotify does support the artist it advertises for about 10 seconds every fifteen minutes.

[godgoo]

But remember also. I also download albums. The ones you like, buy the fucking CD!!!

Support the artist. Without supporting them we wouldn't have beautiful music out there.

And download the hell out of the ones that are horrible.... mauhahahahaYeah we do support the artist but the problem is our collection is so dam big, we went and bough a terabyte so we could put all of our DVD's and cd's onto it and have an easy life. And that is copying? oh well I just put my terabyte drive in my share on IRC, so now others can enjoy my collection :)

[godgoo]

Yey I installed spotify, my lifes alot different :) NOW.

[bealert]

Yey I installed spotify, my lifes alot different :) NOW.
yes you will probably find more bargains in shops
the sun will shine more
your car will be more reliable
all just because you installed spotify

[rosix]

it has over 6 million. It as a huge catalog and as the 4 major record labels plus more. if your in the USA hard luck you cant use it lol. goodbye itunes!

I will get back to you on all the albums it doesn't have, if any :)

[bealert]

i Admit it doesn't have everything but it as a lot more than you and most other people
oh it doesn't have quite a few but the ones it don't have and want i have bought already and its always increasing the amount of songs available on it. you only have 250000 spotify as over 6 million tracks. i some how doubt you do have 250000 songs the amount of hard drive needed would be ridiculous maybe you have counted wrong. Also spotify only takes up minimal amount of hard drive space and don't slow your computer down.
it doesn't have any pink Floyd..
led zeppelin or Beatles but other than that every thing i want is on there and everything a normal user wants is on there.

Yes list everything spotify don't have is a lot quicker than listing everything you don't have

[anyuser]

Is file sharing over the internet actually illegal ?

File sharing is totally legal. It just depends on what you share. You could use a vpn and share whatever the heck you wanted and it would be totally ok and there would be no way to identify you so if you are worried about tracking, maybe you should look into getting a vpn.

get spotify its free and legal and it has nearly every song you can think off


Spotify is owned by the MAFIA which is RIAA, MPAA, etc. You are not supporting the artist rightfully, you are supporting organized crime. If you use p2p, you are not supporting organized crime and you can find other ways to compensate the artist such as paypal, fan sites which contribute, donations to artist, etc. Do not support organized crime.

[bealert]

not sure i care as long as i get to listen to my favorite music.

[basel]

File sharing is totally legal. It just depends on what you share. You could use a vpn and share whatever the heck you wanted and it would be totally ok and there would be no way to identify you so if you are worried about tracking, maybe you should look into getting a vpn.




Spotify is owned by the MAFIA which is RIAA, MPAA, etc. You are not supporting the artist rightfully, you are supporting organized crime. If you use p2p, you are not supporting organized crime and you can find other ways to compensate the artist such as paypal, fan sites which contribute, donations to artist, etc. Do not support organized crime.

Ok where can i get a crash course on using vpn

[bealert]

Ok where can i get a crash course on using vpn
even if you have a private network your ip can still be traced. as soon as you connect to another computer your ip is recorded if not by you by them.

[real6]

Next week The Pirate Bay starts to charge for downloads. Where will you go???



http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529768/pirate-bay-sails-torrent-tide

FEARING THAT potential new owners Global Gaming Factory (GGF) will turn The Pirate Bay into a legitimate download portal, one enterprising user has backed up the site's entire 900,000 file database into a single 21GB torrent file which is, as we write, being shared or downloaded by close to 1,500 peer to peer users.

It is now a very real possibility that hundreds of Pirate Bay clones will pop up all over the Internet, making a mockery of the amount of time and effort taken by the music and film cartels to put an end to the torrent search and tracking site's nefarious activities.

According to Torrentfreak, the first working copy of the clone is already up and running, and we're sure it won't be long before it is joined by many more.

The anonymous user who copied the database said that he wanted to have assurances that the deal struck by GGF would not be disappointing, and that if it didn't meet expectations, TPB could be up and running on another server within hours.

Swedish Internet Cafe outfit GGF is trying to buy The Pirate Bay for £4.72 million, and is proposing a new business model for the formerly freebooting service whereby copyright owners would be reimbursed for downloads, paid for by monthly subscriptions.

The four original owners of the torrent tracker were convicted in a Swedish court of breaking copyright laws, so they probably need the cash to pay their legal bills.

Copyright cops have complained that the new model would not be enough to satisfy entertainment industry insiders as it placed the onus on them to request the removal of torrent links to copyrighted material.

The database has since been uploaded, http://www.btarena.net/ but the search function is currently disabled due to bandwidth problems. µ


Here's the 21GB file:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5053827

[rosix]

Spotify is owned by the MAFIA which is RIAA, MPAA, etc. You are not supporting the artist rightfully, you are supporting organized crime. If you use p2p, you are not supporting organized crime and you can find other ways to compensate the artist such as paypal, fan sites which contribute, donations to artist, etc. Do not support organized crime.

pretty serious allegations here. Unless their ownership has changed drastically within the past several months, Spotify's creator is not RIAA etc.

[real6]

Spotify

Sounds like Songbird...

[nofuture]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8219652.stm

It is believed that Business Secretary Lord Mandelson has intervened personally to beef up the policy.


I reckon this is more likely to cause a mass uprising than 99% of their other policies. :o

[disorder2k8]

Ok where can i get a crash course on using vpn

Get wippien(faster more features), or hamachi (slower) then pm me when you have them and i will give you a run down on what you have to do

[ndc777]

What value does something have if it can be copied an infinite amount of times at the click of a button? I'd say no value at all.


And no doubt as before, the targets of "authorities" will turn out to be grandparents in their mid-60s who have never heard of BitTorrent or Grand Theft Auto.

[basel]

Get wippien(faster more features), or hamachi (slower) then pm me when you have them and i will give you a run down on what you have to do

Your the man, cheers

[anyuser]

pretty serious allegations here. Unless their ownership has changed drastically within the past several months, Spotify's creator is not RIAA etc.
http://www.p2pnet.net/images/sonify.jpg


p2pnet news » Blog Archive » Sony Music owns a piece of Spotify (http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26736)

Sony Music’s guy in Sweden, Mark Dennis, has been waxing lyrical about Spotify, lately.

Billed as a, “proprietary peer-to-peer music streaming service that allows instant listening to specific tracks or albums with almost no buffering delay,” it’s outpacing iTunes, The Local has Dennis saying gleefully.

‘Gleefully’ because Sony has a stake in Spotify, says Swedish musician Magnus Uggla, “a member of the Swedish nobility and a descendant of several European rulers, among which John III of Sweden and Gustav Vasa,” according to the Wikipedia.

“Imagine my surprise when I recently read in the newspaper that Sony Music has acquired nearly six per cent of the Spotify for the modest sum of 30,000 kronor,” he says on his site (Google translation, with a little help).

“It was a good buy.”

It was, especially considering K30,000 is worth around a paltry $4,541 Canadian.

Sony Music, one of the companies that “sued the shit out of Pirate Bay,” is now sneaking around in the dark and acting like The Pirate Bay, he says.

What else is new?

“I have repeatedly asked Sony’s CEO, Hasse Breitholtz, who’s always spoken lyrically about Spotify, why I should be there,” he says, pointing out that first statement from Spotify said he’d earned as much in six months as a halfway decent busker would have been able to earn in a day.

Uggla has yanked his music from Spotify.

Stay tuned.

(Cheers, Lars)

[anyuser]

update :UK caves to cartel anti-P2P law (http://www.p2pnet.net/story/27358)

British politicians have been having a hard time of it. They didn’t know what to do for the best – their best: try to please the people who who put them into office, or the corporate entertainment industry companies which apparently control them.

But now they’ve decided.

Hollywood and the Big 4 record labels rule.

“Britain is trying to finesse stories that it’s all set to make life even harder for people who share music with each other online,” said p2pnet last Tuesday, going on, “A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills tells Billboard.biz that the reports contained ’speculation’ and that the consultation process on legislation continues”.

The statement followed reports that Lord Mandelson, secretary of state for business, innovation and skills (BIS), wanted legislative measures, “beefed up to include sanctions such as fines and cutting off of Internet access,” said Billboard.

But, “People who persist in swapping copyrighted films and music will have their internet connections cut off under tough new laws to be proposed by the government,” says The Guardian.

The measure brings the United Kingdom into line with America where the cartels not only dictate policy when it comes to matters of interest to the corporate entertainment industry, but also have their own legal teams embedded in the Department of Justice.

Following demands from Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music, and Time-Warner, Fox, Disney, Columbia, Paramount, MGM, the new British anti-P2P, anti-file sharing laws, “also include taking the power to target illegal downloaders away from regulator Ofcom and giving it to ministers to speed up the process, says the story, going on »»»

Today the government will take the unusual step of proposing much stricter rules midway through the Digital Britain consultation process. Illegal filesharers will still get warning letters but if they continue to swap copyrighted material they could have their internet connection temporarily severed, although it may be possible to retain basic access to online public services.

A similar law in France under which filesharers could be cut off for up to a year was recently kicked out by the country’s highest court as unconstitutional. In the UK, privacy groups are likely to challenge any similar legislation as contrary to human rights law.

The power to introduce technical measures, meanwhile, will rest with the secretary of state, not Ofcom and their introduction will not rely upon an arbitrary 70% reduction in piracy but be up to the minister’s discretion as he tries to secure the future of the UK’s creative industries.

“The previous proposals, whilst robust, would take an unacceptable amount of time to complete in a situation that calls for urgent action,” according to a draft of the government’s new plan.

The surprise move will intensify speculation that Lord Mandelson reached a secret deal to protect the film and music industries with Hollywood mogul David Geffen earlier this month.

The business secretary met Geffen, founder of Asylum Records and the man who set up DreamWorks with Steven Spielberg, at a private dinner with members of the Rothschild banking dynasty at the family’s holiday villa on Corfu.

Following that meeting with Geffen, a long-term and outspoken opponent of online piracy, Mandelson instructed officials at his Department of Business Innovation and Skills (BIS), charged with tackling online piracy by June’s report, to clampdown even harder on the pirates.

The music and film industries, “will be particularly annoyed that the government reckons the cost of technical measures should be borne by the ISPs and it wants that enshrined in the autumn’s Digital Economy bill,” says the story, adding:

“The content industry, meanwhile, will continue to pick up the tab for identifying illegal filesharers and preparing enough information for them to be targeted by the ISPs, while the costs of the letter-writing campaign will be split equally.”

UK Pirate Party

In other words, the Hollywood studios and major record companies will be in charge of targeting British families for prosecution, gathering their own ‘evidence’ for eventual use by UK police and law-enforcement officers whose salaries are, of course, met by British taxpayers.

In May, “Nine bodies representing the creative industries - among them the body representing British record labels, the Federation Against Copyright Theft, and trade five unions, including the Musicians’ Union - want the government to force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to warn, throttle the speed of connection and ultimately disconnect persistent illegal file-sharers,” said the BBC.

“They want a commitment to stopping file-sharing and the responsibility for doing so to be placed on the ISPs and for that to be enshrined in legislation.”

And now they have it.

But the question becomes: how long will it take Britons to make it clear not only to Mandelson and other government officials who’ve become confused as to whom they owe allegiance to, but also the 10 corporations which somehow are allowed to dictate to legally elected governments and administrations, that thanks to the net, People2Power has arrived in the 21st Digital century?

In Europe, Swedish Pirate Party sent elected Pirate Party MEP Christian Engström to the European Parliament.

And the party is now officially registered in Britain.

By their actions on behalf of the entertainment industry, Mandelson and his colleagues have given the party a tremendous boost and indeed may as well have become paid-up card-carrying members.

The UKPP has three core policies »»»

1. Reform copyright and patent law. We want to legalise non-commercial file sharing and reduce the excessive length of copyright protection, while ensuring that when creative works are sold, it’s the artists who benefit, not monopoly rights holders. We want a patent system that doesn’t stifle innovation or make life saving drugs so expensive that patients die.
2. End the excessive surveillance, profiling, tracking and monitoring of innocent people by Government and big businesses.
3. Ensure that everyone has real freedom of speech and real freedom to enjoy and participate in our shared culture.

It says »»»is

The Pirate Party UK has been encouraging people to respond to the Government’s consultation on P2P filesharing, which threatens Britain’s 7 million file sharers with a range of draconian penalties.

Today, the Government has moved the goalposts for the consultation. They have finally admitted that, as we suspected, their plans do include cutting off internet access for whole families if one member of that family shares files, in stark contrast to Gordon Brown’s recently stated aim of “universal connectivity to broadband”.

This is a massive announcement that threatens far more people than before, yet it has been hidden away in an update to a consultation document. We are only to be given 5 weeks to respond to this major announcement and defend our right to justice, a fair trial, and to defend the principle that collective punishments are wrong, despite the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills having a commitment to 12 week minimum consultation periods.

The other new announcement is that ISPs will be expected to share the cost of enforcement 50:50 with ‘rights holders’, a move which may well price independent artists and film-makers out of the process, and places an unjustifiable burden on ISPs who are a third party in disputes between file sharers and rights holders.

Yet again the Government have done exactly what the big media cartel have told them. There is still no hint of a real discussion on the rights and wrongs of file sharing, or that the strong arguments in favour of legalistion will be given fair consideration.

The UKPP also has Twitter and Facebook pages, as well as a Pirate Party UK Wiki.

Stay tuned as other countries similarly organise their own Pirate Parties in what will eventually become the world’s first true global democracy with Pirates proudly linking together to help each other and achieve goals of importance to their individual populations, and to the world.

UK law firm looks to begin prosecuting file sharers (http://www.betanews.com/article/UK-law-firm-looks-to-begin-prosecuting-file-sharers/1219347136)

Davenport Lyons has been working with the music industry in the UK to sniff out P2P users. Now it will ask the UK courts to force ISPs to release information to identify them.

The firm is looking to identify about 7,000 individuals in total. Representatives said they will seek an order from the High Court Wednesday, and will use the information to launch civil suits against those individuals.

Swiss company Logistep assisted in the identification of the individuals by IP address, which will be provided to the court as part of the request for an order.

Davenport Lyons has already had some success in prosecuting cases. Most recently, a British woman was ordered to pay nearly £16,100 ($30,200 USD) in fines for the trading of video game files over P2P networks.

cont:UK law firm looks to begin prosecuting file sharers (http://www.betanews.com/article/UK-law-firm-looks-to-begin-prosecuting-file-sharers/1219347136)

[godgoo]

In all honesty I really don't think file sharing is all that good, tbh. If you want a movie buy the DVD and encode it keep it on your HD, it isn't worth the wait to DL, tbh. file sharing is only good for free software thats about it. Look at sourceforge

http://sourceforge.net/

and freshmeat

http://freshmeat.net/

Stuff like software needs to be available to the masses because it's usefull, but movies and albums aren't really necessity so just go out an buy em and store them on your HD, but now we have apps, such as spotify we can try before we buy ;)

File sharing does cripple the quality of movies, games and music, etc. If we all pay then expect things to get better, as more effort will be put into the final product.

But there is nothing stopping you from storing what you buy on your HD :) or Until the manfacturer can guarantee the long term data integrity of the medium that you have purchased.

[anyuser]

see here : Pirate Bay booted out of Netherlands (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75524)

There were millions of people to use The Pirate Bay and its trackers. The site is available still @ the above link & here The Pirate Bay Taken Offline By Swedish Authorities (http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48708) . If you read, you can find the site in the updates. Take a look around and see if you find anything you like.

The Pirate Bay Taken Offline By Swedish Authorities (http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48708) but back online (service is spotty on www.thepiratebay.org see below


The copy of The Pirate Bay is available at http://www.BTArena.net and will remain as a TPB archive, while the tracker.btarena.org can be used to track new torrents, if people want.

The torrents available from the http://www.BTArena.net copy still carry the announce URLs from The Pirate Bay’s tracker but since all torrents were updated with the OpenBitTorrent tracker, they will remain functional. :-) You can also get your own copy of tpb via a torrent file if you would like. Also everyone add publicbt and openbittorrent
trackers to any torrent to help out.

Thanks for a clone while the OpenBittorrent tracker is down also:

PublicBitTorrent - An open tracker project (OpenBittorrent.KG (http://www.openbittorrent.kg) (clone of OpenBittorrent) & Public Bittorrent (http://publicbt.com)
PublicBitTorrent is a bittorrent tracker free for anyone to use. You don't need to register, upload or index a torrent anywhere, all you have to do is to include the PublicBitTorrent tracker URL in your torrent.
How does it work?

When you create a torrent file the application will ask you for a tracker address, then simply type in Public Bittorrent (http://publicbt.com) tracker URL's:

http://tracker.publicbt.com:80/announce
udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80/announce

http://tracker.openbittorrent.kg:2710/announce
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.kg:2710/announce

Use this tracker if you would like while OpenBittorrent, Denise.Stalker & tpb's sites are down for using on www.mininova.org & works for others. www.Mininova.org has been giving -- for files that have lots of people seeding/leeching. They should have updated their info on their pages as well. Maybe someone should send a email to them and perhaps their up loaders would have prepared better. Well I guess they will have time to adjust or just have to wait till tpb is back online. Given the current sale ahead, they should have prepared but its not too late to do it now.



OpenBittorrent.KG (http://www.openbittorrent.kg/) (clone of OpenBittorrent)
Pirate Bay HTML Clone (http://tpb.cloneui.com/)
Torrage: Torrent API (http://torrentfreak.com/torrage-worlds-first-torrent-storage-service-090806)
Open Tracker (http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker)
The Hidden Tracker (http://z6gw6skubmo2pj43.tor2web.com/)
Denise.Stalker (Tracker) (http://opentracker.blog.h3q.com/about)
Public Bittorrent (http://publicbt.com/)
Open Bittorrent (http://openbittorrent.com/)
The Pirate Bay index (This site includes TPB index, comments, db reader and TPB "clone" -download links to Rapidshare)
The Google Bay
The Pirate Bay clone on SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/tpb) Torrent: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5063319” when site comes back up or change url This is a basic clone of thepiratebay.org’s UI. tpb index (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:HECltlKm90oJ:thepiratebay.org/torrent/5053827+https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5063319&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1) google cache(try search sites for torrent until tpb is back @ fully operational)

File sharing is good. It spreads culture, ideas, free speach, drives innovation, etc. If your anywhere and are worried about downloading files, just invest in a vpn. They are about $5.00 a month and you can download/upload all you want without having to worry about getting one of those extortion letters from the cartels and their friends.

[amandaooo]

"Lord Mandelson is believed to have personally requested the new measures

The UK government has announced that people who continually download music and films could face being banned from the internet.

An amendment has been made to the Digital Britain report, which was originally published in June, in order to give stricter punishments to persistent illegal downloaders.

Business Secretary Lord Mandelson is understood to have personally intervened to make the penalties for internet pirates more severe, reports BBC News.

Under the new measures, people who continually download illegal music and film content could have their internet connections cut off.

Initially, the report gave regulator OFCOM until 2012 to decide whether it was necessary to catch illegal downloaders. However, a statement from the Department For Business, Innovation & Skills released today (August 25) declares that the 2012 date is "too long to wait".

The report states that it should be up to internet service providers (ISPs) to catch and take action against offenders.

However, the Internet Service Providers' Association (ISPA) argued that it shouldn't be within their remit to police the internet, stating that it is "disappointed by the proposal to force ISPs to suspend users' accounts".

A ruling in the European Parliament in May declared that cutting off someone's internet connection could be a breach of their human rights."

Source: http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/46903

I now know why Rupert Murdoch said their will be no internet soon. I can'f find the quote - anyone?

[hollo]

1st of all they shouldnt moniter what you do on the internet.

2nd ppl may not share my view but i dont see file sharing to be a problem...

does it work the same when you lend someone a cd - ofc not that would be silly! (is it?)

the only time i have "file shared" is to get stuff i wouldnt waste money buying anyway!!

if you steal an apple from a shop - they lose out but if it is copied no one loses out :confused:

[real6]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78039

[flox]

2nd ppl may not share my view but i dont see file sharing to be a problem...


It becomes a problem when criminal organizations profit from the hard work done by skilled members of Film production crews, music technicians and retail stores to name a few.

[amandaooo]

Sorry, never realised similar thread already posted!

[smoke n mirrors]

I now know why Rupert Murdoch said their will be no internet soon. I can'f find the quote - anyone?

Asked whether he envisaged fees at his British papers such as the Times, the Sunday Times, the Sun and the News of the World, he replied: "We're absolutely looking at that." Taking questions on a conference call with reporters and analysts, he said that moves could begin "within the next 12 months‚" adding: "The current days of the internet will soon be over."

Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/07/rupert-murdoch-charging-websites

This is the future...

That’s why the “You” is being taken out of Youtube. Everyone who vlogs has been pissed about the mass video censorship in progress. The corporate giant’s advertising is now all over youtube, and the user created content is being downplayed. Corporate America caught on to how youtube affected the last election, and by buying them up they can regain their vice grip on news and information that reaches the people unfiltered.

The corporate elite have been planning for a while to overhaul the unruly internet, with all it’s free content. What’s the point without profit, right? The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester) reported over two years ago:

“The nation’s largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online.”

Murdoch, taking questions on a conference call with reporters and analysts, said that moves could begin “within the next 12 months‚” adding: “The current days of the internet will soon be over.”- The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/07/rupert-murdoch-charging-websites)

Source http://lezgetreal.com/?p=12355

Web2 is going to drastically change the way we currently use the web! :mad:

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[real6]

This is the future...

That’s why the “You” is being taken out of Youtube. Everyone who vlogs has been pissed about the mass video censorship in progress. The corporate giant’s advertising is now all over youtube, and the user created content is being downplayed. Corporate America caught on to how youtube affected the last election, and by buying them up they can regain their vice grip on news and information that reaches the people unfiltered.



This is true. Check out this Thread i made a few months back:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72826&highlight=list+websites

[ownedtbh]

It becomes a problem when criminal organizations profit from the hard work done by skilled members of Film production crews, music technicians and retail stores to name a few.

not when the stuff they bring out is complete shite and not worth the money thats goes for games, movies and even music.

i play alot of PC games and i can tell you now that 90% of them are not even worth £5 nevermind £30-£40 that they charge. when they bring out games that are actually worth paying for then i will happily pay for them. and i think alot of people in the gaming pirate community will agree with me.

[djhooker]

It becomes a problem when criminal organizations profit from the hard work done by skilled members of Film production crews, music technicians and retail stores to name a few.


who do you mean, the record companies?

[hadabusa]

who do you mean, the record companies?

copyright infringement.

crime.by law.

parliament made statutes become law.

its childish saying such stuff,its the fecking wrong approach, theyll use this2kill www as we know it.

i cant believe ppl dont see this.

[jonesy1981]

not when the stuff they bring out is complete shite and not worth the money thats goes for games, movies and even music.

i play alot of PC games and i can tell you now that 90% of them are not even worth £5 nevermind £30-£40 that they charge. when they bring out games that are actually worth paying for then i will happily pay for them. and i think alot of people in the gaming pirate community will agree with me.

Yes they agree with you because that's how you lot justify it to yourselves, you always have an excuse and you always will, just admit that your stealing it!

[jonesy1981]

copyright infringement.

crime.by law.

parliament made statutes become law.

its childish saying such stuff,its the fecking wrong approach, theyll use this2kill www as we know it.

i cant believe ppl dont see this.


But who do we have to blame for that, I'm a software developer and if someone stole my code then i'd be pissed, same goes for Games Developers, Musicians, Actors, Directors, Film Crew.

What gives people the right to think they can have it all for free?

[amandaooo]

Thank you Smoke and Mirrors for link :)

[hadabusa]

But who do we have to blame for that, I'm a software developer and if someone stole my code then i'd be pissed, same goes for Games Developers, Musicians, Actors, Directors, Film Crew.

What gives people the right to think they can have it all for free?
exactly, if our point is founded upon a crime,its a lose/lose debacle.

this is costing jobs.in a screwed system tough.

the laws must be changed.
we are to blame.

loosing courtcases like its happening now, only adds2their fundament .

honest,what do ppl share?
porn.music.movies.
theres sites2have it4free wo sharing, so its really dumb.

talk about digging own graves.

ppl see ridicolous charges, but instead of thinking, move on2next platforms.

[smoke n mirrors]

This is true. Check out this Thread i made a few months back:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72826&highlight=list+websites

Thanks missed that first time round. Just bumped it for others to find. :)

Thank you Smoke and Mirrors for link :)

No probs.

People really need to wakeup to whats coming down the line, or should I say whats not going to be coming down.

If Murdoch has announced it then its well underway. I think the best line of defense, will be boycotts on any form of early adoption intensives or coercion from ISPs etc. No audience equals no revenue or platform to administer public manipulation. Lets hope they get their greedy little fingers burnt.

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[djhooker]

well as a music producer/musician, i make all my stuff downloadable. if you worry so much about how much money you're bringing in, then maybe music isn't for you. get a 9-5 job instead. you get fuck all as a musician through record sales anyway, all their money is made on tour. it all boils down to the fact that record companies are pissed at losing out, and fuck em, since they've been fucking every musician for the past 60 years.

this is another reason i wanna punch mandelson in the cock.

[rodin]

How long before they cut off antisemites?

[tzlr_17]

well as a music producer/musician, i make all my stuff downloadable. if you worry so much about how much money you're bringing in, then maybe music isn't for you. get a 9-5 job instead. you get fuck all as a musician through record sales anyway, all their money is made on tour. it all boils down to the fact that record companies are pissed at losing out, and fuck em, since they've been fucking every musician for the past 60 years.

this is another reason i wanna punch mandelson in the cock.

Damn right! Fuck the record companies - all the mainstream stuff that makes big bucks is useless drivel anyhow!

[dreamweaver]

If Murdoch has announced it then its well underway. I think the best line of defense, will be boycotts on any form of early adoption intensives or coercion from ISPs etc. No audience equals no revenue or platform to administer public manipulation. Lets hope they get their greedy little fingers burnt.

Might as well cancel those 24 Meg accounts too. Who the fuck would want one if we can't download stuff any more?

[drhemp]

It should be of no surprise the odious Mandelscum is at the healm of the Government's drive to stop file-sharing.

Yes they are doing this on request of their friends in the corporate music industry who want to protect their profits, but they are also looking at this as an excuse for more net censorship.

Whenever you hear Ministers talking about how much they love the Internet, it's bollocks, they hate it, because they cannot control it, and they also know the media's lies and bullshit is being counteracted by Internet. They despise the fact the truth is being shared online as opposed to the lies from the MSM.

[lynfowars]

I never use torrents as it publishes my IP address to the world.

Instead I have access to the Usenet with a usenet account, and use a newsreader to easliy download whatever I want in private.

I switch on 'SSL' security for my downloads, which means my ISP (and everyone else) cannot know what I am actually downloading. Simple as pie and very easy to use.

My only worry is that tptb may demand that all content is un-encrypted (which breaches my privacy) or just assume that any 'large' download usage over any few days is a 'film' - again that seems arbitrary but I see no way out for them, an SSL-enabled usenet account is 100% private.

[real6]

Looks like ill just have to stick with Demonoid then.

[kanz]

this is another reason i wanna punch mandelson in the cock.

LOL rock on brother!.

[drhemp]

I have merged the 2 similar threads (in case you didn't notice :D)

[ownedtbh]

Yes they agree with you because that's how you lot justify it to yourselves, you always have an excuse and you always will, just admit that your stealing it!

well if you want to be one of the mugs that goes out and buys the rubbish be my guest.

[thelateoctober]

Obviously, this is going to be used SELECTIVELY, because you cannot imprison (or give a criminal record to) 7 million people, or however many share copyrighted songs. Think of what that would do to the economy! It can't be done.

So if they ever do start this, it will be done selectively, which is illegal.

Frankly, I don't think they're going to do it.

Yep. Same way they did it in the states. Some kids got busted at the university of nebraska lincoln when i was a freshman and they reported how much they had been downloading in the school paper. I was downloading more than five times the amount these kids had been, and I was ignored, while they were charged with federal crimes.

Don't piss anyone off for a while, probably.

[frase]

GET PEERGUARDIAN...
Will show you who is looking at what you are doing....

[juttkeys]

Originally Posted by jonesy1981
Yes they agree with you because that's how you lot justify it to yourselves, you always have an excuse and you always will, just admit that your stealing it!


well if you want to be one of the mugs that goes out and buys the rubbish be my guest.


Err well actually I am one of the 'they' who agree with owned on that one and I dont even download games!... and Ill elabourate as to why...for example today i went out and paid 40 quid for wolfenstein for the 360, primarily for the online multiplayer, it lags like hell online and is broken in my opinion so now i'll have to wait till they patch it up (if they ever do), a few games are like this and often never get patched right, (gears of war and halo being classic examples) most games now are released that dont work as they should, not tested fully so they meet release deadlines then get 'patched' now I felt like Ive had my money stolen.... the game companys wont just admit that though

[frase]

If bands want to make money PLAY LIVe
Ill pay to go and watch.
Arctic Monkeys, Lily allen launched themselves giving their music away for free, as did Radiohead on their last album
We were shafted for years by the likes of Spice Girls, Milli Vanilli.
FUCK EM.
All these tortured artists bleating"I can't make any money anymore from record sales!"
PLAY LIVE THEN!

Can anyone even tell me what number 1 in the charts is any more?
No one gives a flying fuck.

Dark Knight broke all box office records also as did Mamma Mia on DVD.
The Industry is thriving.

Look how much video games are too,
40 quid each!!!
They prob make them for a quid!
THEY CAN FUCK OFF

[frase]

well as a music producer/musician, i make all my stuff downloadable. if you worry so much about how much money you're bringing in, then maybe music isn't for you. get a 9-5 job instead. you get fuck all as a musician through record sales anyway, all their money is made on tour. it all boils down to the fact that record companies are pissed at losing out, and fuck em, since they've been fucking every musician for the past 60 years.

this is another reason i wanna punch mandelson in the cock.


Well said dude..I agree and with that attitude I will willingly pay to download your stuff.
Realistic and sensible.
The days of selling loads of singles and making a quick buck are dead as the freaking DODO.
This new ruling and clampdown is bizarre.
The horse bolted years ago

[rosix]

when it comes to the music artists themselves, it's an intricate matter.
Having said that, they just need to get into better contracts and that's that. If piracy is damaging THEIR PERSONAL bottom line, their label should be FULLY liable and they should always try to get their label to sign on a contract as such. If the artists organised themselves then the labels wouldn't have a choice but to sign these contracts.. I know from personally experience from a ex- high-up in the producing biz that all the labels know they handled the 00s, especially with regards to the internet, HORRIBLY. At the end of the day, everyone needs to wake up and smell the fucking coffee - Statute Law is not justice and never ever has been. Yet, the legality of this file-sharing in discussion (let's say I download an .mp3 file from a torrent tracker in another country) is 'AT BEST' in a grey area, if not actually defined as being technically fully legal.

[nofuture]

I don't know why they just don't put a levy on blank CD and DVD discs.

[jonesy1981]

Originally Posted by jonesy1981
Yes they agree with you because that's how you lot justify it to yourselves, you always have an excuse and you always will, just admit that your stealing it!





Err well actually I am one of the 'they' who agree with owned on that one and I dont even download games!... and Ill elabourate as to why...for example today i went out and paid 40 quid for wolfenstein for the 360, primarily for the online multiplayer, it lags like hell online and is broken in my opinion so now i'll have to wait till they patch it up (if they ever do), a few games are like this and often never get patched right, (gears of war and halo being classic examples) most games now are released that dont work as they should, not tested fully so they meet release deadlines then get 'patched' now I felt like Ive had my money stolen.... the game companys wont just admit that though


But that is your fault do the research about a product before buying it, it's common sense!

And it has nothing to do with testing, how would you test a worldwide networked game that relies on p2p connections of the host?

Are you also saying that Halo and Gears have never been patched?

[jonesy1981]

Look how much video games are too,
40 quid each!!!
They prob make them for a quid!
THEY CAN FUCK OFF

I agree with some of your comments about music, but this is just drivel, do you know what actually goes into producing a video game, I'm going to guess your answer is no due to the stupid comment I have quoted.

[jonesy1981]

well if you want to be one of the mugs that goes out and buys the rubbish be my guest.

Or maybe i'm the guy who does a little research and doesn't rush out and but rubbish, oh and also supports the companies and indiviuals who create the items that entertain us.

Just hope your saving up for when it all goess DTD.

[frase]

I agree with some of your comments about music, but this is just drivel, do you know what actually goes into producing a video game, I'm going to guess your answer is no due to the stupid comment I have quoted.

Yes I do....As does a shit load of work go into making a feature film too....
They arent 40 quid each.
You are the one making stupid comments pal.

[jonesy1981]

Yes I do....As does a shit load of work go into making a feature film too....
They arent 40 quid each.
You are the one making stupid comments pal.

Ok then explain the process to me and who gets what percentage of the price, this should be interesting.

And feature films generally last what about two hours, measure that up with the price you pay and what comes out as the most cost effective, what's the £ per hour ratio like?

[blackster]

Ah well theres me choosing a lower bandwidth package with my ISP, no point having a 20mb modem when all your allowed to do with it is browse the web. No doubt that will all be changing soon as well.

[godgoo]

Ah well theres me choosing a lower bandwidth package with my ISP, no point having a 20mb modem when all your allowed to do with it is browse the web. No doubt that will all be changing soon as well.
Nah. keep the bandwidth, You can always get stuff via DCC. I am currently on IRC trying to get a hold of firewall, I am in slot 4 just waiting haven't tried this in a while, but I tried a torrent last night and I was being throttled, So I'll try IRC?

[godgoo]

Nah. keep the bandwidth, You can always get stuff via DCC. I am currently on IRC trying to get a hold of firewall, I am in slot 4 just waiting haven't tried this in a while, but I tried a torrent last night and I was being throttled, So I'll try IRC?

http://irc.netsplit.de/tmp/channels/422_31.png


http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv169/GodGOO/img.jpg


http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv169/GodGOO/img2.jpg

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv169/GodGOO/img3.jpg

Do it the old fashioned way? I'll see what speed I get when the transfer happens.

[spiraltrance]

Nah. keep the bandwidth, You can always get stuff via DCC. I am currently on IRC trying to get a hold of firewall, I am in slot 4 just waiting haven't tried this in a while, but I tried a torrent last night and I was being throttled, So I'll try IRC?

Newsgroups are the way forward.

Admittedly you have to pay £10+ a month for a decent provider but you can't be done for sharing as with newsgroups it's a direct download. It's also better for your bandwith as there is no uploading like there is with torrents. Add to that decent newsgroup provders use SSL so no one can actualy see what your downloading and you have the perfect solution.

I use astraweb for my news provider on the unlimited DSL plan for $15 a month
http://www.astraweb.com/

You can also buy a pay-per-download of 25gb for $10 or 180gb for $25 if you want to try it out.

For my downloading client I use Newsbin Pro which is the best newsgroup downloader there is, but alot of people use it GrabIt which is free.

And for indexing I use Newzbin which is between 25-50p a week depending if they have an offer on.
http://v3.newzbin.com
This site lets you search for films, music, books, games and download a .nzb file that you drag into your newsgroup client and it does all the rest for you.

So my advice is to switch to newsgroups and you'r 99.99% safe from these laws.

[jonesy1981]

Newsgroups are the way forward.

Admittedly you have to pay £10+ a month for a decent provider but you can't be done for sharing as with newsgroups it's a direct download. It's also better for your bandwith as there is no uploading like there is with torrents. Add to that decent newsgroup provders use SSL so no one can actualy see what your downloading and you have the perfect solution.

I use astraweb for my news provider on the unlimited DSL plan for $15 a month
http://www.astraweb.com/

You can also buy a pay-per-download of 25gb for $10 or 180gb for $25 if you want to try it out.

For my downloading client I use Newsbin Pro which is the best newsgroup downloader there is, but alot of people use it GrabIt which is free.

And for indexing I use Newzbin which is between 25-50p a week depending if they have an offer on.
http://v3.newzbin.com
This site lets you search for films, music, books, games and download a .nzb file that you drag into your newsgroup client and it does all the rest for you.

So my advice is to switch to newsgroups and you'r 99.99% safe from these laws.

Or how about stop being thieving pirates!

[lynfowars]

Or how about stop being thieving pirates!

Why should any film or album not be try before you buy?

Everything else in life is, you test drive it, or eat it.

If it drives bad, or tastes like shit, you get your money back or don't pay.

Why should 'artists' get away with peddling crap without a test drive or money-back guarantee? How many times have we rented a video only to think 'what a pile o shit!' ?

Also, have a heart for some unemployed family, who, with the price of food now, are unlikely to even afford a film or music purchase. Are they just to become culturally excluded?

The wealthy always pay. I am wealthy, I pay, but only if it's worthy of keeping for my film and music library. If I download it and its shit, then I don't buy it. Nobody loses.

[fuzzylogic]

Why should any film or album not be try before you buy?

Everything else in life is, you test drive it, or eat it.

If it drives bad, or tastes like shit, you get your money back or don't pay.

Why should 'artists' get away with peddling crap without a test drive or money-back guarantee? How many times have we rented a video only to think 'what a pile o shit!' ?

Also, have a heart for some unemployed family, who, with the price of food now, are unlikely to even afford a film or music purchase. Are they just to become culturally excluded?

The wealthy always pay. I am wealthy, I pay, but only if it's worthy of keeping for my film and music library. If I download it and its shit, then I don't buy it. Nobody loses.
You can walk into a most music stores and listen to anything you want to in there.

Sounds to me like try before you buy.

[spiraltrance]

Or how about stop being thieving pirates!

One thing any good business man will tell you is that if you want to survive and be succesful you have to adapt to market conditions and be innovative. This is what the entertainment industry didn't do and now they are paying the price for it. Instead of moving with the times they tried to enforce out of date business models. And they drasticly overvalue the products they are selling. A album today isn't worth what it was back in the 80s.

[smoke n mirrors]

Newsgroups are the way forward.

I use astraweb for my news provider on the unlimited DSL plan for $15 a month
http://www.astraweb.com/

For my downloading client I use Newsbin Pro which is the best newsgroup downloader there is, but alot of people use it GrabIt which is free.

And for indexing I use Newzbin which is between 25-50p a week depending if they have an offer on.
http://v3.newzbin.com
This site lets you search for films, music, books, games and download a .nzb file that you drag into your newsgroup client and it does all the rest for you.



Don't forget Quickpar http://www.quickpar.org.uk/ :)

And 7zip http://www.7-zip.org/

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[lynfowars]

You can walk into a most music stores and listen to anything you want to in there.

Sounds to me like try before you buy.

How do you 'walk' into the nearest town or city when you live rural? we're not all townies or city boys.

I also doubt any video store will let you watch a film.

If I really had a full 100% money-back if not happy, I'd never download another thing... but it's not coming. Music film and software want it easy, nothing else has no money-back guarantee. apart from underpants, and there's a good reason for that.

[spiraltrance]

Don't forget Quickpar http://www.quickpar.org.uk/ :)

And 7zip http://www.7-zip.org/

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Ah yes the obligetary quickpar, very important!

For individual files I use winrar instead of 7zip. Is 7zip better than winrar?

One decent app i've found is unpacker UnPacker - Download.com

This is a bulk extracting utility useful for when you have 10 dvds, 20 cds, books, apps to extract. You select the rar files in unpacker then you can leave it on over night extracting them all.

[smoke n mirrors]

Skid marks?

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[spiraltrance]

Skid marks?

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Huh?

[fuzzylogic]

How do you 'walk' into the nearest town or city when you live rural? we're not all townies or city boys.

I also doubt any video store will let you watch a film.

If I really had a full 100% money-back if not happy, I'd never download another thing... but it's not coming. Music film and software want it easy, nothing else has no money-back guarantee. apart from underpants, and there's a good reason for that.
I said walk into a shop, smartarse.

How you get into town is not really my problem nor does it have any bearing on the file sharing issue.

Most software and games have demos or trials. You know, try before you buy.

Films have trailers.

All of it's reviewed so you can garner like minded individuals views on it before you decide to get it yourself.

No one really seemed to mind before there was a way of being able to get it for free.

Your argument is weak.

[smoke n mirrors]

Ah yes the obligetary quickpar, very important!

For individual files I use winrar instead of 7zip. Is 7zip better than winrar?

One decent app i've found is unpacker http://download.cnet.com/UnPacker/3000-2250_4-10408407.html

This is a bulk extracting utility useful for when you have 10 dvds, 20 cds, books, apps to extract. You select the rar files in unpacker then you can leave it on over night extracting them all.

7zip seems to do everything I need and its legally free. :cool:

Haven't tried unpacker thanks for the tip.

I don't download these days due to being anti BT. I use mobile BB which is a bit limited for downloading. On the upside, I can use the web for 30days anywhere, anytime for a little more than the BT line rental charge. :) I just have to be choosy with how I use the bandwidth. I know a few leeches, so I don't miss out on too much.

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[smoke n mirrors]

Huh?

Skid marks? A good reason not to have a returns policy on your jocks.

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[spiraltrance]

apart from underpants, and there's a good reason for that.

Skid marks? A good reason not to have a returns policy on your jocks.

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Ah ok. I once brought some £30 Ralph Lauren boxer shorts and they turned out to be one size to small. I did manage to take them back though. I told the women I had some other underwear on underneath when I tried them on.

[rosix]

I said walk into a shop, smartarse.

How you get into town is not really my problem nor does it have any bearing on the file sharing issue.

Most software and games have demos or trials. You know, try before you buy.

Films have trailers.

All of it's reviewed so you can garner like minded individuals views on it before you decide to get it yourself.

No one really seemed to mind before there was a way of being able to get it for free.

Your argument is weak.

..your argument is weak. You're also not crying for the zounds of industries that have been seriously injured or even killed off by the internet and modern available technology. When a business model gets out-dated, it gets out-dated, it's not fair, it's not unfair, it is what it is - it's business. Some newspapers have been doing ok, some new ones enter the game and turn profits, some old-school newspapers are burning money every quarter. If I'm not mistaken, most porn-stars are paid in a way where they couldn't care less how much their DVDs get pirated - why don't artists actively organise themselves in a way to positively benefit themselves? Most record labels wouldn't have a chance of turning profits with new artists and/or new material, so the pressure is on them if the artists choose to apply it. TDK sold a lot of cassette tapes in the 80s, a lot of people used them to record music off the radio or off their friends' LPs - do you scream bloody murder at this or cry tears of pain at the death of the cassette tape? TDK's bottom line was hurt by that, no doubt.

Also, funnily enough, I do think that there is some slight relevance to file-sharing with how convenient it is to obtain the material you could otherwise very easily get on the internet for free. Let's say I lived in a 20-bedroom £700,000 castle in North-West Scotland and I wanted to buy the new Black Dahlia Murder album that comes out on September 15th 2009 - the nearest market to my home is 20 miles away and the nearest supermarket which sells CDs is actually 92 miles away. The chance of this supermarket supplying this CD is probably as close to 0% as it gets - do I really have to spend the time and money to travel 150 miles to get to a shop I know will stock that CD? What if that shop doesn't have the facilities for me to preview this CD? Do I have to make do with the painfully short clips on Amazon.co.uk? That isn't enough for me to decide on ordering the CD by mail. I could, however, download 1 or 2 or 3 or 10 songs from the album and then make that judgment.

I could go on and on as this really isn't the clear-cut black and white you're wrong I'm right issue you're making it out to be.

[godgoo]

Ah yes the obligetary quickpar, very important!

For individual files I use winrar instead of 7zip. Is 7zip better than winrar?

One decent app i've found is unpacker http://download.cnet.com/UnPacker/3000-2250_4-10408407.html

This is a bulk extracting utility useful for when you have 10 dvds, 20 cds, books, apps to extract. You select the rar files in unpacker then you can leave it on over night extracting them all.
Or tar? and gzip :)

tar (file format) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.gzip.org/

I like gzipped tarballs :)

Also don't forget bz2 :)

http://www.bzip.org/

Or bzipped2 tarballs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/da/Tar_screenshot.png/800px-Tar_screenshot.png

Tarballs for everyone :)

[godgoo]

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv169/GodGOO/image4.png

Part 1 almost complete going steady, part 2 in que number 6 :)

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv169/GodGOO/image5.png

What did I do?

[killmicrosoft]

Beats me why people use file share
take a look at this
http://www.hidelinks.com/?n32l9lbeve

password 7890

secret key 58]EYkaZx-2MuaG87X[3&M>4HE%1N5eD

self deleting within an hour or first fifty requests

[juttkeys]

But that is your fault do the research about a product before buying it, it's common sense!

And it has nothing to do with testing, how would you test a worldwide networked game that relies on p2p connections of the host?

Are you also saying that Halo and Gears have never been patched?

I did research about the product thanks and dont condescend, so you're saying its my fault? get real, basically it dont do what it says on the tin very well !
networked games are or should be in my opinion tested through beta testing, some games are/have been in the past, you could argue that when paying 40+ quid for a game you should expect dedicated servers especially as you're paying microsoft 40 quid a year also for the priveledge...... mind you it is Bill Gates,
XBL released Battlefield for download for a tenner and that has dedicated servers, so they all could. Like I said that is why i can understand people downloading them for free.

Halo and gears have been patched lots of times and not just for online either.

Actually Wolfenstein isnt as bad as a few ive bought in the past which have suffered terrible lag and various glitching/bugs single player, I am certainly not alone on this many other gamers ive spoke to say the same thing.

[anyuser]

Ok where can i get a crash course on using vpn

http://www.itshidden.com

or just google vpn if you want to try another provider

[real6]

http://www.youtube.com/v/NejQhx8Qoao

[drhemp]

I always liked Radiohead

Musicians hit out at piracy plans
By Ian Youngs
Music reporter, BBC News

An alliance of music stars, songwriters and record producers has spoken out against UK government proposals to kick file-sharers off the internet.

Persistent file-sharers could have their internet accounts suspended in an attempt to crack down on piracy.

But Radiohead guitarist Ed O'Brien, a member of the Featured Artists' Coalition (FAC), said: "It's going to start a war which they'll never win."

The FAC said "heavy-handed" tactics may turn fans away from music for good.

The FAC, a pressure group formed to represent performers, has joined forces with the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors and the Music Producers Guild.

In a joint statement, the three bodies of music-makers said they "vehemently oppose" the plans to punish file-sharers.

That is in contrast to major record labels and many other commercial arms of the music industry, who have welcomed the suggestions.

“ We don't want to make enemies of our fans ”
Dave Rowntree (right) Blur

Speaking of the proposal to cut off pirates, Ed O'Brien predicted: "It won't work. It's as simple as that.

"I was talking to a serial file-sharer the other day who is a friend. He downloads films and he hasn't paid for music for six years.

"I asked his opinion of it and he laughed. He said, 'even if they cut me off I'll still be able to do it'. It's something you do not want to take on, so move on."

Patrick Rackow, chief executive of the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors, said sanctions would upset fans rather than driving them towards legal services.

"The industry has to look forwards, not backwards," he said. "There is a huge problem here and we've got to find a solution to it. I don't know what this solution is, I don't think anyone does.

"There are more positive ways of dealing with this without totally upsetting your consumers."

He suggested that in the future, legal music download services could be based on radio. In that scenario, fans would not pay for every song but may pay a subscription or hear adverts, as with existing services such as Spotify or We7.

'Widespread concerns'

In its Digital Britain report, originally published in June, the government set a target to reduce file-sharing by 70% in the first year.

That report gave media regulator Ofcom until 2012 to consider whether "technical measures" - such as reducing broadband speeds or blocking access to download sites - were necessary.

However, according to a statement from the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) released last month, that time-frame is now considered "too long to wait".

Stephen Timms, minister for Digital Britain, said in August: "We've been listening carefully to responses to the consultation this far, and it's become clear there are widespread concerns that the plans as they stand could delay action, impacting unfairly upon rights holders."

UK Music, an umbrella body representing the British music industry, said it was "pleased that government is proposing accelerated and proportionate action to meet their stated ambition of reducing illegal file-sharing".

"Throughout this debate, UK Music has voiced concerns that the original time-frame of proposed legislation, and particularly the trigger mechanisms that would grant Ofcom reserve powers to implement technical measures, would have failed to meet these ambitions," a statement said.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/8247376.stm
Published: 2009/09/10 06:58:04 GMT
© BBC MMIX

[djhooker]

i think from the above post we can now see who this legislation is designed to protect....

[basel]

http://www.youtube.com/v/NejQhx8Qoao

Your video is gone

[real6]

Your video is gone

It's working for me...

[basel]

its says to me user removed the video

[real6]

its says to me user removed the video

Now i tried it again and it is removed. I dont remember what it was of but going by the headline i came up with these 2:

The UK's Crackdown on Piracy & Gaming - Attack of the Show - G4tv.com

The UK's Crackdown on Piracy & Gaming - Attack of the Show - G4tv.com - YouTube


Web Crackdown: Digital UK Bill to Kill file sharing?

Web Crackdown: Digital UK Bill to Kill file sharing? - YouTube

[basel]

Cheers dude

[secretagent]

I haven't read the thread but I'll give my take on that "anti-piracy" scheme which has very obviously been ordered to Mandelson during the month he spent locked in the Jacob Rothschild estate in Corfu this summer.

The point of it is not monitoring theft of intellectual property, it is the legalization of the permanent analysis of customers' internet traffic by the corporate ISPs.

The corporate banksters want to know who read/post what on the internet (with a view to identify and subsequently target individuals they deem dangerous) and be in a position to do so legally.

If what really mattered was only the theft of intellectual property, the "industry" (movie and record companies) would just have to connect themselves on file sharing networks with the collaboration of the police and collect IPs of offenders they could then prosecute, which would be very efficient and would cost very little compared to the costs of the scheme they are pushing...

:rolleyes:

[anyuser]

I don't know why they just don't put a levy on blank CD and DVD discs.
They already have this in some countries. The problem is that www.Mafiaa.org won't stop there, they are greedy and continue to peruse the issue over and over again.


See here Video: http://sharebee.com/a7b19d92 or zSHARE - File Not Found

[bealert]

cant blame them really it is stealing!

[ge_mike]

cant blame them really it is stealing!
No it's not. It's making an informed decision what music/movies to purchase. Would you buy a wallpaper and live with it for several years without having seen it in advance? You wouldn't.
It's the same with music. What is the point of purchasing music you're not sure you like? I don't like wasting money on stuff I have no use for.

[jeisworth]

if i brought a cd over to your house and ripped it to your hard drive, it wouldn't be illegal. how is that different from sending you the file by email or downloading it from a random person?

[basel]

I haven't read the thread but I'll give my take on that "anti-piracy" scheme which has very obviously been ordered to Mandelson during the month he spent locked in the Jacob Rothschild estate in Corfu this summer.

The point of it is not monitoring theft of intellectual property, it is the legalization of the permanent analysis of customers' internet traffic by the corporate ISPs.

The corporate banksters want to know who read/post what on the internet (with a view to identify and subsequently target individuals they deem dangerous) and be in a position to do so legally.

If what really mattered was only the theft of intellectual property, the "industry" (movie and record companies) would just have to connect themselves on file sharing networks with the collaboration of the police and collect IPs of offenders they could then prosecute, which would be very efficient and would cost very little compared to the costs of the scheme they are pushing...

:rolleyes:

You just hit the nail on the head

[bealert]

No it's not. It's making an informed decision what music/movies to purchase. Would you buy a wallpaper and live with it for several years without having seen it in advance? You wouldn't.
It's the same with music. What is the point of purchasing music you're not sure you like? I don't like wasting money on stuff I have no use for.
perhaps they should have a drm on them that expires after 3 plays

[anyuser]

Music Industry Of The United Kingdom Declaims Mass P2P Law Suits (http://extratorrent.com/article/251/music+industry+of+the+united+kingdom+declaims+mass +p2p+law+suits.html)

Representatives of music industry say that it’s not the best way to address supposed illegal sharers of files. Such things should better be set apart for more serious cases of violation.

http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/images/BPI-Logo_300.jpg

The British Phonographic Industry is expressing its opinion against the UK law company ACS:Law, specializing in lawsuits in behalf of intellectual property rights holders and approaching enforcement of their rights globally by mass lawsuit. The representative of Phonographic Industry states that they don't encourage the strategy of ACS:Law focused on illegal file-sharers, because it mismatches equitable and differential approach kept by the Industry and offered by Digital Economy Bill.

The above-mentioned company announced an original project to target about fifteen thousand supposed illegal sharers of files in the United Kingdom within the bounds of revolutionary model of business which increases the profits for rights holders and efficiently reduces copyright violation in a moderate and steady way. That was declared to be as opposite of expensive and inefficient methods used by other firms to fight the piracy.

However, later it made reconsideration with deciding to decrease the amount of such cases bounding the lawsuits to those it believed to be acceptable and advantageous to its customers.

Recently we knew it wasn’t attentive enough. ‘Which?’, the biggest consumer body in the United Kingdom, with more than 650 thousand members, announced that over one and a half hundred people were complaining to have been accused by mistake, and now this number is growing rapidly with more people coming forward after learning they are not the only ones.

One of the complaints says that ACS:Law sent a letter to the seventy-eight-year-old man demanding five hundred pounds for a porn video he was supposed to have downloaded. Though he has no idea what peer-to-peer of bit torrent is, and has undoubtedly not done that himself or let anybody to use the computer for that.

Phonographic Industry’s spokesman added that the Industry doesn’t encourage the idea of mass lawsuits and believes that such action is to be taken only in serious cases, but not as the first response. May be that is because of the fear of angering music admirers or failure of similar project by Recording Industry Association of America in the United States.

http://extratorrent.com/article/251/music+industry+of+the+united+kingdom+declaims+mass +p2p+law+suits.html

[basel]

i say we boycott all their products,

don't buy cds
don't go to the movies
don't buy their dvd's

we should then send them all emails stating that we will not buy their stuff until they leave all file sharers alone

They will soon get the message

Do you know that two men a one typewriter brought down the whole nixon government