ahmedinejad VS the ptb, the lines are drawn

[islamvslizards]

we seem to be getting somewhere! not the worlds biggest ahmedinejad fan, his domestic policy stinks and so does the way he treats people who go against WF, however, the man has balls of steel when you consider...

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=103803&sectionid=351020101

Ahmadinejad wants certain power-holders in court
Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:27:07 GMT

As talk of putting opposition leaders on trial heats up in Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad involves himself in the issue by calling for the prosecution of "the power-holders and the affluent" in the country.

Speaking at the inauguration ceremony for the newly-appointed Judiciary Chief Sadeq Larijani, the Iranian president described the country's Judiciary as the body responsible for restoration of peace and balance and administration of justice in different segments of the society.

President Ahmadinejad won his first term in 2005 on a platform of populist economic reform. He promised to put the profit of the country's vast oil wealth on the dinner tables of the people and root out corruption.

In the months leading to the June 12 presidential election, President Ahmadinejad's rivals began scrutinizing his record and questioned his performance during his first four years in office.

During televised presidential debates President Ahmadinejad reacted to barrages of criticism leveled at his management by accusing two former Iranian presidents Seyyed Mohammad Khatami and Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani -- whom he charged with supporting his main rival Mir-Hossein Mousavi -- of masterminding a plot to push him out of power.

President Ahmadinejad focused his attacks on prominent political figure Ayatollah Hashemi-Rafsanjani by citing what he described as examples of mismanagement and corruption as well as promoting aristocracy in the country during his presidency.

Following the televised verbal, Ayatollah Hashemi-Rafsanjani wrote a letter to the Leader of the Islamic Revolution complaining that President Ahmadinejad had sought to smear his reputation through spreading "insults, lies and false allegations."

On Monday, the Iranian president maintained his pre-vote stance and called for the prosecution of 'certain officials' in the country.

"If the power-holders and the wealthy are taken to court, then there would be no place left for those who hold lower ranks to commit any wrongdoings," President Ahmadinejad said in Monday's ceremony.

Monday marked the second time that the two officials - Rafsanjani and Ahmadinejad -- attended a ceremony together after the latter's controversial re-election on June 12.

According to Iran's Labor News Agency (ILNA), the Iranian president left Monday's session before Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani delivered his speech.

Earlier during the inauguration ceremony before the president's address, Ayatollah Larijani said "no one should dare act against the law and violate the rights of the nation," making a pledge not to show mercy to those who violate people's rights.

"In this critical mission, I vow not to show mercy to wrongdoers," the newly-appointed judiciary chief said, promising to subject them to the court of law.

President Ahmadinejad, for his part, welcomed the idea put forward by Ayatollah Larijani.

"I am so pleased that the new judiciary chief has announced that he knows no limits in dealing with wrongdoers," Ahmadinejad said.

The call for the prosecution of certain figures in Iran follows an earlier request by Islamic Revolution Guards Corps generals along with Principlist politicians and clerics who urged the arrest and punishment of opposition leaders and their supporters.

Following the controversial trial of post-vote detainees, a Principlist lawmaker, Hamid Resaie, told the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) that "the confessions have opened the way to dealing with the leaders of the unrest. There is no longer any reason to tolerate or compromise."

Another Principlist figure Elias Naderan said, "Those within the inner circle who managed the unrest must be put on trial. We shouldn't chase after weak, second-class figures with no influence."

CS/MD

i bet rafsanjani and the mullah mafia are quaking in their turbans. interesting times ahead. ill keep you guys posted.

and remember DONT BELIEVE THE BULLSHIT.

[mrerisian]

I'm a bit confused - isn't Ahmadinnerjacket one of the "ptb" ie Powers That Be. He's in power isn't he? Did I miss a trick here?

[kappy0405]

I'm a bit confused - isn't Ahmadinnerjacket one of the "ptb" ie Powers That Be...

He's in power isn't he?

Being in power doesn't automatically mean your in on the conspiracy. 'They' don't control EVERYTHING in EVERY country.

Did I miss a trick here?

it would seem so.. ;)

[jesuitsdidit]

I'm a bit confused - isn't Ahmadinnerjacket one of the "ptb" ie Powers That Be. He's in power isn't he? Did I miss a trick here?

my money says he's a 'fake rebel' like castro chavez lama adams etc etc
controlling both sides
its too convenient how he came from nowhere
and is behaving exactly as you would expect a fake rebel to imo..

[mrerisian]

Being in power doesn't automatically mean your in on the conspiracy.

No, I dig that but it does mean he's one of "The Powers That Be". Also, ain't he the guy who reckons there are no gay people in his country? Sounds like a bit of a numpty tbh.

[kappy0405]

No, I dig that but it does mean he's one of "The Powers That Be". Also, ain't he the guy who reckons there are no gay people in his country? Sounds like a bit of a numpty tbh.

point taken. :cool:

:D

ts too convenient how he came from nowhere
and is behaving exactly as you would expect a fake rebel to imo..
this is true.. I guess it's easier to orchestrate a fight (israel vs iran) than it is to pick a real one. He could be another puppet.. Either way, I'm not sure it matters and I doubt we'll find out anyway.

[runciter]

my money says he's a 'fake rebel' like castro chavez lama adams etc etc
controlling both sides
its too convenient how he came from nowhere
and is behaving exactly as you would expect a fake rebel to imo..

i have the same feeling,

and i would include putin/medvedev and china's government in the list.

[islamvslizards]

my money says he's a 'fake rebel' like castro chavez lama adams etc etc
controlling both sides
its too convenient how he came from nowhere
and is behaving exactly as you would expect a fake rebel to imo..

he didnt come from nowhere bro, thats not true. he was mayor of tehran and an engineer and teacher before that

An engineer and teacher[4] from a poor background, Ahmadinejad joined the Office for Strengthening Unity[5] after the Islamic Revolution. Appointed a provincial governor, he was removed after the election of President Mohammad Khatami and returned to teaching.[6] Tehran's council appointed him mayor in 2003.[7] He took a religious hard-line, reversing reforms of previous moderate mayors.[8] His 2005 presidential campaign, supported by the Alliance of Builders of Islamic Iran, and garnered 62% of the runoff election votes, becoming President on 3 August 2005.[9][10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

when i say "powers that be", i mean "an agent for the one world government".

i also do not believe that he is pro-ptb for a number of reasons, which are:

(1) he lives a humble life and his children all work for their living, instead of getting fat off the trough being paid for by iranian tax payers. this is proven fact.

if you look at all the despots put in power by the ptb, they always live the high life in their little castles with their bevvy of women/ material goods at their disposal.

(2) people who are absolutely 100% pro ptb - scum like rafsanjani, mousavi, karroubi and the rest of the mullah mafia hate him, and are in risk of being hung/ thrown in a jail for the rest of their lives when he has his way. make no mistake, this isnt an OJ sham trial.

(3) since 2003 his personal assets/ records have been under public scrutiny. think the UK MPs expenses on steroids. however he has lived an absolutely flawless life - he has repeatedly stated that if he so much as took a single cent through a dodgy mean, then his enemys such as karroubi - who own national newspapers and media organisations - would have published them in all the papers, in an effort to discredit him. in over 5 years now there has not been one instance of this occuring.

in comparison, karroubi himself openly admits to taking 500+ MILLION dollar bribe eight years ago, from a ptb agent who is now in jail for corruption! such is karroubis level of decadence, he admitted to it on national tv without so much as a frown of shame, and instead stated that because he was an "ayatollah" that ahmedinejad needed to "respect the clothes he was wearing" (a term in farsi which means "if you insult me, you insult all ayatollahs so dont critisise me for what i do).

(4) the poor people have been supported immensely under ahmedinejad. people like rafsanjani, khatami, mousavi, karroubi etc are all the elite in iran. they stay in the cities, but 65% of iran lives in the countryside. under rafsanjani/ khatami rule, the poor starved, and they didnt even notice. under ahmedinejad, they had incredible financial and other support to make their lives better. in retur, rural iranians turned out en masse to vote.

supporting the poor was not his campaign - it was his policy from the start. why wud a ptb agent do that?

and above all - oil

(5) he has been fighting to return iranian oil wealth to iranian people. BP and another oil company signed a deal under the shah of iran that something ridiculous like 95% of irans oil wealth shud go to foreign corporations. the other 5% goes to rafsanjani's privately owned oil companies. the poor starve.

[transcendental stallion]

we seem to be getting somewhere! not the worlds biggest ahmedinejad fan, his domestic policy stinks and so does the way he treats people who go against WF, however, the man has balls of steel when you consider...

i bet rafsanjani and the mullah mafia are quaking in their turbans. interesting times ahead. ill keep you guys posted.

and remember DONT BELIEVE THE BULLSHIT. He should jail Khatami, Rafsanjari and the likes. Mahmoud is such an awesome man. He said he would pimp slap the U.K. remember last time when Iran caught them and made them get off their boat.

[secondsun]

Being in power doesn't automatically mean your in on the conspiracy. 'They' don't control EVERYTHING in EVERY country.

...lol!... keep going!... you will get there eventually!... wanna bet?

[eternal_spirit]

There's alot of people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.

[islamvslizards]

He should jail Khatami, Rafsanjari and the likes. Mahmoud is such an awesome man. He said he would pimp slap the U.K. remember last time when Iran caught them and made them get off their boat.

man if only that was true. however rafsanjani was one of ayatollah khomeinis right hand men during the iranian revolution, and is head of the "council of guardians", very similar to the house of lords in the UK, AND 6 of the 12 other council members are hand picked by him, while the other 6 are picked by ayatollah khamenei.

add to that, either him personally owns the oil infrastructure, the public services like transport and has a legion of money mad mullahs, who rubberstamp any fatwa he tells them to, its unfortunately not that easy.

khatami, mousavi, karroubi...these are small fry. the root of the cancer is rafsanjani. unfortunately, he is nigh on impossible to go against. as close to untouchable as you can get.

the millionaire mullah (http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0721/024.html)

The real power is a handful of clerics and their associates who call the shots behind the curtain and have gotten very rich in the process.

The economy bears more than a little resemblance to the crony capitalism that sprouted from the wreck of the Soviet Union. The 1979 revolution expropriated the assets of foreign investors and the nation's wealthiest families; oil had long been nationalized, but the mullahs seized virtually everything else of value--banks, hotels, car and chemical companies, makers of drugs and consumer goods. What distinguishes Iran is that many of these assets were given to Islamic charitable foundations, controlled by the clerics. According to businessmen and former foundation executives, the charities now serve as slush funds for the mullahs and their supporters.

however, we need to not get carried away in hero worship of ahmedinejad, he leaves much to be desired politically, but at the moment, unfortunately, he is the only hope anyone who is anti ptb has got

[islamvslizards]

...lol!... keep going!... you will get there eventually!... wanna bet?

do they control david icke? do they control this website?

[scooby85]

There's alot of people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.

e.t pi** off with ur constant anti islamic drivel.. Why do u always bring up islam? U are obsessed! This topic had nothing to do with islam but u had to add ur bs 2 cent in. If someone made a topic about tomatoes ud still manage to add islam in there some where!

[eternal_spirit]

e.t pi** off with ur constant anti islamic drivel.. Why do u always bring up islam? U are obsessed! This topic had nothing to do with islam but u had to add ur bs 2 cent in. If someone made a topic about tomatoes ud still manage to add islam in there some where!

Go look on you tube like I said do some research then come back and tell me what I said was wrong, you won't be able too. Plus I have spoken to some Iranian's who said they have had enough Islam.
So why deny reality? You're religious brainwashing, yup.

[eternal_spirit]

You are deluded, you think this guy is the Imam Mahdi (look it up some Muslims do believe this) and he will take down the evil white devils and their cohorts satanic jews:rolleyes: dajjal system, and then you Muslims will have shariah law world wide FUCK THAT!
Tell me about your Koranic prophecies again huh?

[islamvslizards]

Go look on you tube like I said do some research then come back and tell me what I said was wrong, you won't be able too. Plus I have spoken to some Iranian's who said they have had enough Islam.
So why deny reality? You're religious brainwashing, yup.

no doubt there are many north tehranian students who were whipped up like gullible sheep when rafsanjani wanted to scare khamenei into compliance to stop ahmedinejads anti corruption stance.

however several hundred thousand people in one district of one city do not represent the rest of the country of around 60 - 70 million people that were silent.

[islamvslizards]

You are deluded, you think this guy is the Imam Mahdi (look it up some Muslims do believe this) and he will take down the evil white devils and their cohorts satanic jews:rolleyes: dajjal system, and then you Muslims will have shariah law world wide FUCK THAT!
Tell me about your Koranic prophecies again huh?

show me one muslim on the face of the PLANET that thinks this.

you are exposed yet again as a liar.

[xpleet]

I'm a bit confused - isn't Ahmadinnerjacket one of the "ptb" ie Powers That Be. He's in power isn't he? Did I miss a trick here?

Yes, you missed that there is hypocrisy.

There is a fight going on that is evil vs evil, self-interest vs self-interest, faction vs faction, controllers of christian religion vs controllers of islam religion vs judaism's zionist-controllers vs other groups on who will get their hands on the final new world order.

It is "special interest" that governs governments.

Don't fool yourselves, in this world most often dark appears light and the light appears dark.
There is no lesser evil in the struggle of the wicked, for power.

[islamvslizards]

Don't fool yourselves, in this world most often dark appears light and the light appears dark.

i would definately agree that ahmedinejad cant be described as "light" or "good", hes a human, with human failings and flaws. instead of seeing the world in black VS white, we have to see the world as shades of grey.

he isnt an ideal champion for fighting the ptb, but he is the best hope we have in that part of the world. there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that rafsanjani and the mullah mafia are involved in the same agents all over the world. i am also convinced that he is genuinely trying to rid iran of corruption.

i hate the WF muqtala system, and the ridiculous hype over it, and the crimes committed to enforce it, however at this moment that is not important, we have to put aside our differences sometimes and support people who me may find distasteful, since we have a common enemy

[hadabusa]

There's alot of people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.
lol.you kidding,right?
using youtube referrences gor generalisations?

it dont get lower then that.

yes,iran wasnt always an islamic nation.
majority is fine with statusquo rather then risking pro western adventures.
the ppl learned some lessons from 30yrs cia bs.

a fault happen to everyone, 2same faults happen to fools.

commonwealth corporation slaves should think about this saying, before masquerading as some moral authority.

no offense, but it cant be said in nicer manners.

forget religion , west has a blurred vision of islam,brought by...msm.

im no muslim,btw

[hadabusa]

There's alot of people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.
theres more who are not sick of it.

btw, you think such protests wouldve been handled softer by commonwealth thugs?
dont fool yourself.

[meet my maker]

http://i26.tinypic.com/nnku8l.jpghttp://i28.tinypic.com/jjmcjp.jpg

[hadabusa]

kissing on cheek is common practice.
theyre not exploring the virtues of kamasutra,do they?

hm,the left pic.....hes i mimicking gwb:D

[sloughi]

i would definately agree that ahmedinejad cant be described as "light" or "good", hes a human, I disagree. I think he is a great man. A righteeus man. Just as Abraham was righteous in his ways. That doesn't equate him with perfect or Christ but he is a white horse for the golden army. The good people need someone to rally behind.

[eternal_spirit]

Go look on you tube like I said do some research then come back and tell me what I said was wrong, you won't be able too. Plus I have spoken to some Iranian's who said they have had enough of Islam.
So why deny reality? Your religious brainwashing, yup.
There's people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.
Go on go look it up see what some Iranian's think about their Islamic government (Iran which was once part of Persia until Islam invaded and took over) and the Persian's have paid the price ever since.

The ban on media and internet a while ago and the long list of human rights abuse, killing of many of those who speak out against the despotic regime.

[eternal_spirit]

show me one muslim on the face of the PLANET that thinks this.

you are exposed yet again as a liar.
you think this guy is the Imam Mahdi (look it up some Muslims do believe this) It's been posted on this forum. Go on look it up and see that it's true. You should really stop calling me a liar (when I am not) and I keep proving that it's you who is the liar.

PS explain the schiczm in Islam which has also always been part of the problem (we want an honest answer) because we can research and find out if you're being honest or not.

The bloodletting is a reminder of Hussein's suffering, as well as punishment for the failure of Muslims to help Hussein in his battle against Islamic ruler Yazid, leader of what became the majority Sunni branch of Islam.
Hussein was the son of Ali, the Prophet Muhammad's cousin, who Shiites believe should have been his rightful successor. The loss at Karbala effectively consigned Shiites to minority status in the Islamic world -- and it became a symbol of the sense of oppression that runs through the sect's beliefs.

[separ]

you think this guy is the Imam Mahdi (look it up some Muslims do believe this) It's been posted on this forum.

What a load of nonsense. Wilayat-e Faqih is supposed to be the guardianship of the jurists, in the time of the occultation of the Imam. That means, it's the constitutional underpinning of Iran, taking into account that the Imam is absent. Ahmadinejad isn't even the wali-e amr under this system. He's a politician. If he claimed to be the Imam Mahdi he would be out of office quicker than you could snap your fingers. Nobody including he himself believes he is the Imam Mahdi.

[sloughi]

you think this guy is the Imam Mahdi (look it up some Muslims do believe this) It's been posted on this forum. Go on look it up and see that it's true. You should really stop calling me a liar (when I am not) and I keep proving that it's you who is the liar.People didn't believe Christ was the Savour until now, likewise the ccyle continues regarding the present Presence.

[ritchs]

Being in power doesn't automatically mean your in on the conspiracy. 'They' don't control EVERYTHING in EVERY country.



it would seem so.. ;)

No, they don't (imo) control everything, although they would like us to think that, that everything is hopelessly locked down by 'them', our enslavement inevitable

If they really had that control, believe it, we would be in those fuckin camps already.

Just an opinion.

[hadabusa]

There's people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.
Go on go look it up see what some Iranian's think about their Islamic government (Iran which was once part of Persia until Islam invaded and took over) and the Persian's have paid the price ever since.

The ban on media and internet a while ago and the long list of human rights abuse, killing of many of those who speak out against the despotic regime.
well, ALL my neighbors happen to be iranians(owner of houses familiy and me live in it).
theyre in contact with relatives, they all say mousavi is a joker.
merely young teheran ppl are open2western bs, and thats it.
mahmud is liked by farmers etc.

and they say president cant radically change anything.
some say probably the election was fixed, but not way off.

how can anybody actually believe anything from usa msm about iran?
without, you know,look up what russian msm has2say.



then judge.

russian media is pretty neutral actuall, as long its not about russia.

[hawk]

Nostradamus in one of his predictions told of an assassination of one of Irans' leaders. It would be made to look like an accident.
Keep a lookout for things like that about a possible leader being killed in an accident in the future. ;)

[islamvslizards]

Nostradamus in one of his predictions told of an assassination of one of Irans' leaders. It would be made to look like an accident.
Keep a lookout for things like that about a possible leader being killed in an accident in the future. ;)

sis im not sure nostradamus is a reliable source, someone who has a 50/50% chance rate of success isnt that accurate, however i do agree that ahmedinejad no doubt is under constant danger. his stance to fight corruption takes courage, and his enemies are powerful and above the law.

[mrerisian]

sis im not sure nostradamus is a reliable source,

Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm 100% sure that he's not a reliable source!

The King Of Terror didn't pour fire from the sky in July of the year 1999. I've still got a book (published 1992) which makes it plain that the world ends as we know it around that date. It's all post event speculation with Mr Nostrils and post 2000AD it ends up in the bullshit bin where all other "Prophetic" works ultimately belong.

[secondsun]

do they control david icke? do they control this website?


...everything of any significance is controled!... thats why we are all here going around in circles getting nowhere!

...some people say Facebook is a CIA data mining site!?... so if thats true?... who do you think is behind this one?.... Mothercare!?

[islamvslizards]

The King Of Terror didn't pour fire from the sky in July of the year 1999. I've still got a book (published 1992) which makes it plain that the world ends as we know it around that date. It's all post event speculation with Mr Nostrils and post 2000AD it ends up in the bullshit bin where all other "Prophetic" works ultimately belong.

i have a book too from around then, is it the one with the blue cover and his pic on the front?

nostradamus fans have a theory that the ptb were going to do 9/11 on the year 1999 and seven months, but they realised that everyone knew about it so changed it :rolleyes:

[holy_wood]

http://www.der-geilste-typ.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/iran.jpg

http://www.mz-web.de/ks/images/mdsBild/1229760482297l.jpg

http://www.esoturio.com/de/bilder/wahrheit/mahmud-ahmadinedschad.jpg

http://ais.badische-zeitung.de/piece/00/b8/14/65/12063845.jpg

http://www.initiative.cc/Artikelfotos/ahmadinedschad.jpg

do not believe the lies that the leaders of some countries spread around about iran! they use these techniques against much individuals on this planet to let them look in the world as they are "bad" ...

[islamvslizards]

...some people say Facebook is a CIA data mining site!?... so if thats true?... who do you think is behind this one?.... Mothercare!?

facebook is indeed dodgy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMWz3G_gPhU)

i have some raised eyebrows about this site, but on the whole it is decent.

[secondsun]

i have some raised eyebrows about this site, but on the whole it is decent.

...agreed!... but there are 6.5 Billion people on this planet! ( supposedly!? )

...6.45 Billion of them are decent! ( ...or there abouts!? )

[jesuitsdidit]

i think your title should read Ahmadinejad pretending to be VS the ptb...

[transcendental stallion]

I like this picture of Mahmoud
http://www.der-geilste-typ.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/iran.jpg

Him and Kim Il-Jong are the only two formidable forces blocking the Illumi-dreams of trashing the world completely. Forget those people slandering him. If it's up to their claiming, NasRallah is an illuminati front as well! Though israel is sore from their brutal defeat to HazBollah. Just keep them outta mind.

[runciter]

http://www.whale.to/b/finger.JPG

http://waitingtorot.blogspot.com/2007/11/12-masonic-signs-of-recognition_27.html

[jimmi]

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Was that slow enough?

[hadabusa]

i have a book too from around then, is it the one with the blue cover and his pic on the front?

nostradamus fans have a theory that the ptb were going to do 9/11 on the year 1999 and seven months, but they realised that everyone knew about it so changed it :rolleyes:

:):D

nosedanus is a 50/50 artist.

its gonna rain.or not.

:eek:

[kappy0405]

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Was that slow enough?

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They've always had opposition, it's only logical that they still have some. There's not a shred of evidence that Ahmedinejad works for them. islamvslizards has already made some good points to suggest that he is the opposition he appears to be.

[freedom1st]

he didnt come from nowhere bro, thats not true. he was mayor of tehran and an engineer and teacher before that



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

when i say "powers that be", i mean "an agent for the one world government".

i also do not believe that he is pro-ptb for a number of reasons, which are:

(1) he lives a humble life and his children all work for their living, instead of getting fat off the trough being paid for by iranian tax payers. this is proven fact.

if you look at all the despots put in power by the ptb, they always live the high life in their little castles with their bevvy of women/ material goods at their disposal.

(2) people who are absolutely 100% pro ptb - scum like rafsanjani, mousavi, karroubi and the rest of the mullah mafia hate him, and are in risk of being hung/ thrown in a jail for the rest of their lives when he has his way. make no mistake, this isnt an OJ sham trial.

(3) since 2003 his personal assets/ records have been under public scrutiny. think the UK MPs expenses on steroids. however he has lived an absolutely flawless life - he has repeatedly stated that if he so much as took a single cent through a dodgy mean, then his enemys such as karroubi - who own national newspapers and media organisations - would have published them in all the papers, in an effort to discredit him. in over 5 years now there has not been one instance of this occuring.

in comparison, karroubi himself openly admits to taking 500+ MILLION dollar bribe eight years ago, from a ptb agent who is now in jail for corruption! such is karroubis level of decadence, he admitted to it on national tv without so much as a frown of shame, and instead stated that because he was an "ayatollah" that ahmedinejad needed to "respect the clothes he was wearing" (a term in farsi which means "if you insult me, you insult all ayatollahs so dont critisise me for what i do).

(4) the poor people have been supported immensely under ahmedinejad. people like rafsanjani, khatami, mousavi, karroubi etc are all the elite in iran. they stay in the cities, but 65% of iran lives in the countryside. under rafsanjani/ khatami rule, the poor starved, and they didnt even notice. under ahmedinejad, they had incredible financial and other support to make their lives better. in retur, rural iranians turned out en masse to vote.

supporting the poor was not his campaign - it was his policy from the start. why wud a ptb agent do that?

and above all - oil

(5) he has been fighting to return iranian oil wealth to iranian people. BP and another oil company signed a deal under the shah of iran that something ridiculous like 95% of irans oil wealth shud go to foreign corporations. the other 5% goes to rafsanjani's privately owned oil companies. the poor starve.

I totally agree with you. I would also add that he was involved in the revolution against the British Empire and every single speech he has given includes a message of love, peace and brotherhood. This is a good man in my view, someone who is not afraid to speak his mind. He has consistently denied the holocaust as per the official version (he does not deny that many different people died but, like many he does not buy the official version of history and questions why this event cannot be analysed). He continually sticks up for the Palestinians and sends aid on a regular basis. I think he's a hero. Not everybody is under the control of tptb and if I had to put money on it I'd say that Chavez is another one of the good guys, along with Castro. But you can pretty much count the good guys on one hand, all the rest are shallow, selfish, evil cowards.

[mrerisian]

i have a book too from around then, is it the one with the blue cover and his pic on the front?

I think it's green - it's up in the loft. It has his picture on the front and some interesting info on the age of Aquarius which the author believes was diverted by hippies or something. Might be blue, if you've got a pic I'd recognise it on sight I think.

Can I just applaud the following point:

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The number of people who do not get that blows my mind. I'madinnerjacket is part of The Powers That Be, no doubt about that. That term is overused. That said, regardless of whether or not he's a thorn in the NWO's side I think has all the hallmarks of an anus.

[kappy0405]

..That said, regardless of whether or not he's a thorn in the NWO's side I think has all the hallmarks of an anus.

well, I'm not informed enough on his domestic policy to make a decision on that, but that IS the general consensus from what I hear. lol

that said, I have read from numerous sources that the Jewish community living there is very happy, so he can't be all that bad.

[dolores1]

He was also pictured using the horns many times, he is also one of the chosen.

Making it LOOK like division, it works better for the NWO.:rolleyes:

[mrerisian]

He was also pictured using the horns many times,

Proves it.

Oh dear. I'm starting to tire of this forum I really am. :rolleyes:

Just 'coz some bloke does a hand signal doesn't mean he's part of anything.

[transcendental stallion]

They've always had opposition, it's only logical that they still have some. There's not a shred of evidence that Ahmedinejad works for them. The only people ruled are Europeans. People should know that by know. Look at Mugabe. He may be a little bad but the Brits and Americans do not like him. Look at Pervez Musharraf and Benzanir. Yep, Pervez was a puppet but not on the same league as the illuminati. He was more of a pussy man that let them push him around but even their odds pushed them against each other. National leader doesn't equate with illuminati. They don't have THAT much power they are scared of Mahmoud.

[mrerisian]

They don't have THAT much power they are scared of Mahmoud.

Doubt it. There's not much to be scared of. The NWO/PTB should be more concerned about a mass consciousness awakening: Marmood is the polar opposite of that. His way leads us right back into the Dark Ages.

[adbasque]

There's alot of people in Iran who are sick of Islam and how it rules via politics. Look on you tube for one source.

There "are" a lot of people, not there's :)

I told you I will catch you, and this is not a spelling mistake, you keep attacking my grammar.

I know it's off topic (sorry everyone)

[runciter]

Proves it.

Oh dear. I'm starting to tire of this forum I really am. :rolleyes:

Just 'coz some bloke does a hand signal doesn't mean he's part of anything.

he's playig the "enemy of imperialism" role, and he's trying to give the zionists a reason to attack his country.

[runciter]

well, I'm not informed enough on his domestic policy to make a decision on that, but that IS the general consensus from what I hear. lol

that said, I have read from numerous sources that the Jewish community living there is very happy, so he can't be all that bad.

let the jewish community be the judge, they're good at that.

[runciter]

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They've always had opposition, it's only logical that they still have some. There's not a shred of evidence that Ahmedinejad works for them. islamvslizards has already made some good points to suggest that he is the opposition he appears to be.

ahma is there to be "worshiped" by dissenters, more cult of personality, more stealing of energies.

they only control people in power, they can't do much without our approval.

[islamvslizards]

ok, for people that think he is part of the one world conspiracy, answer me this simple question.

- what tangible, real proof do you have, apart from over analysing every time he points somewhere.

pictures of him pointing or gesturing are no evidence whatsoever, and make you look ridiculous.

[runciter]

ok, for people that think he is part of the one world conspiracy, answer me this simple question.

- what tangible, real proof do you have, apart from over analysing every time he points somewhere.

pictures of him pointing or gesturing are no evidence whatsoever, and make you look ridiculous.

i can accept that an admirer of ahmadinejad considers my point of view ridiculous.

you believe he's genuine, i suspect he's following a script, i'm not even sure about it.

[islamvslizards]

i can accept that an admirer of ahmadinejad considers my point of view ridiculous.

i am very far from being his admirer. however he is the only hope that part of the world has at this moment. such is life.

and if you can present something as proof, i will most definately not instantly write it off as ridiculous just like that.

[runciter]

i am very far from being his admirer. however he is the only hope that part of the world has at this moment. such is life.

and if you can present something as proof, i will most definately not instantly write it off as ridiculous just like that.

so the choice is between western amorality and an islamic regime? sad situation.

i don't care about your idea of me, but i would think twice before putting hope in a man of power.

it's the pyramidal system that must be challenged, in all its forms and variations, and not only zionist imperialism.

[islamvslizards]

so the choice is between western amorality and an islamic regime? sad situation.

no doubt it is a sad situation. however whatever he is, the people voted for and chose him to represent them. it seems crazy to us western devils, but thats the leader they chose democratically. in fact iran could probably teach the rest of the world what a democratic election actually looks like for a change.


i don't care about your idea of me, but i would think twice before putting hope in a man of power.

i bear no malice towards you :)

i disagree. someone like ahmedinejad can do more to ruin the plans of the one world government more than me or you or everyone on these boards. to fight power - you NEED power. this is a war, and you arent going to win a war with hugs and good intentions.

[runciter]

no doubt it is a sad situation. however whatever he is, the people voted for and chose him to represent them. it seems crazy to us western devils, but thats the leader they chose democratically. in fact iran could probably teach the rest of the world what a democratic election actually looks like for a change.



i bear no malice towards you :)

i disagree. someone like ahmedinejad can do more to ruin the plans of the one world government more than me or you or everyone on these boards. to fight power - you NEED power. this is a war, and you arent going to win a war with hugs and good intentions.

he can also do something to advance their plans, the difference is not always easy to spot.

no i don't see it as a war; they see it as a war, but i'm not at war with anyone.

[transcendental stallion]

Doubt it. There's not much to be scared of. They are very afraid of him because he can bring what they have built up tumbling down. They have orders at the apex of the triangle to do as they are told. Anything, anything, anything that the European servants out of context with what they are told will fall back on them. Removing Saddam and the Taliban costed them nothing, but facing Mahmoud the wrong way would bring their empire tumbling down. They have much to fear in Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. This is not a game, as you think it is. They have things to do and they are desperate to overcome those challenges that are preventing them. Israel's fearing of being blow away prevented them from attacking Iran. They pressed the U.S. to do it but, even Bush's fear prevented that and Obama's lack of desire has as well.

Twisted people like you just want us to be confused as to who's bad and who's good so that the good will not be appreciated as they should. If it was up to the illuminati, McCain would be in office and Iran would have been attacked by now. But even white nationalist was afraid of another war for israel. Mahmoud like Saddam has holy lineage. Saddam was related to Muhammad's cousin being a descendent of him, Saddam was also directly related to Nebudchadnezzar whom destroyed israel's Solomon Temple.

Saddam is related to two historical entities that the illuminati see as enemies of israel. Freemasons model their lodges to be like the Solomon's Temple which was what Nebudchadnezzar, Saddam's Great Great Grandfather, destroyed. Mahmoud is another one that is an even greater threat than Saddam and they want him removed as they have removed Saddam Hussien.

But the problem is the Iranian president will crush them.
http://www.der-geilste-typ.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/iran.jpg

[islamvslizards]

But the problem is the Iranian president will crush them.


indeed. imagine, if you will:

- i think the third largest oil producer in the world (iran), getting rid of BP/ foreign multinational oil corporations, and using the oil wealth generated from that to improve irans infrastructure

- exile/hard jail time/ execution of the ptb agents its taken decades to put in place, key figures in their agenda, like rafsanjani et al

- a united, awake, powerful population behind their leader, who can not be defeated by invasion

- allies such as lebanon, russia and maybe even china, who will come to irans aid

- a world leader who does not give a shit about the agenda and will openly talk about it - such as the holocaust, israel, western foreign policy etc

- all the downtrodden countries being spurned on to get rid of their despot rulers and following irans example

i bet the powers that be are VERY worried about ahmedinejad. like i say. he is the best hope that we have.

[transcendental stallion]

indeed. imagine, if you will:

- a world leader who does not give a shit about the agenda and will openly talk about it - such as the holocaust, israel, western foreign policy etc


i bet the powers that be are VERY worried about ahmedinejad. like i say. he is the best hope that we have.
Yep, I remember I was talking to this African American Zionist and told him that reason the US is in a clutch is because of Mahmoud. Even Turkey started talking tough to the US. Do you remember when Rice went to Turkey and said that US ties with Turkey may end. Turkey responded "May it break where it get thin." Before Mahmoud came to power the would was scared of the US now quite a few talk boldy to the US. Remember when Chavez called Bush the devil and even the Europeans cheered. Mahmoud is the world's greatest hope that INSTILLED COURAGE in people to stand up.

Kim Jong-Il have always been bold he now has company with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I like those two leaders.

[islamvslizards]

Kim Jong-Il have always been bold he now has company with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I like those two leaders.

if only pakistan got rid of its corrupt, spineless and useless government, and joined iran, imagine the power of a combined russia, china, iran, pakistan, india (well, we can dream :rolleyes:), n+s korea, lebanon and pretty much the whole of africa, against the one world government.

mr ahmedinejad has a lot riding on his shoulders. if nothing else the hope and courage he gives other downtrodden countries is worth more than gold.

[octopusrex]

we seem to be getting somewhere! not the worlds biggest ahmedinejad fan, his domestic policy stinks and so does the way he treats people who go against WF, however, the man has balls of steel when you consider...

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=103803&sectionid=351020101



i bet rafsanjani and the mullah mafia are quaking in their turbans. interesting times ahead. ill keep you guys posted.

and remember DONT BELIEVE THE BULLSHIT.

I am not too certain about the current events in Iran.

I do however, understand a few things about revolutions in general.

1. The haves and the have-nots are in a constant power-struggle for resources.

2. The haves use laws, ideas, religion, and any number of deadly wars to keep their power intact.

3. The have nots use revolution.

4. Once the revolution is successful and the have-nots replace the haves, a new group of haves, usually instigators of the revolution take the place of the old haves and begin the process all over again.

Wisdom begins when you separate yourself from the struggle. Who is in power is not as important as how you are feeling today.

Rome will always exist in this world. It's part of the dilema of human-existence. If we were an awakened species, then Rome would be no more, and all of us would share in the spoils according to our needs. Children only die of hunger because people who have too much already don't care.

This has always been the way of the world.

[adbasque]

indeed. imagine, if you will:

- i think the third largest oil producer in the world (iran), getting rid of BP/ foreign multinational oil corporations, and using the oil wealth generated from that to improve irans infrastructure

- exile/hard jail time/ execution of the ptb agents its taken decades to put in place, key figures in their agenda, like rafsanjani et al

- a united, awake, powerful population behind their leader, who can not be defeated by invasion

- allies such as lebanon, russia and maybe even china, who will come to irans aid

- a world leader who does not give a shit about the agenda and will openly talk about it - such as the holocaust, israel, western foreign policy etc

- all the downtrodden countries being spurned on to get rid of their despot rulers and following irans example

i bet the powers that be are VERY worried about ahmedinejad. like i say. he is the best hope that we have.

I am not by far a supporter of any leader and that is world wide, however we know that the Elite can place good actors and play the big act, meaning:

He could be part of the big game
He could be manipulated to play that role
He could be genuine and his sticking a finger up to the Elite

Now, as far as the Iranian people are concerned they want him in power, maybe they know something we don't, why do we have to assume that we know everything and other people are just sheeple, to me this sound like arrogance.

Why not give the man the benefit of the doubt?
Iran has been transformed since he came to power, isn't that an indication of him doing something right?

The man lives a very humble life
His kids go to public schools and work for their pocket money, these are facts I have read and heard it from a lot of Iranian friends.
Why is the West so eager to get rid of him?

However one thing I would disagree with IVL is that Russia and China being his Allies especially not Russia, it will be rather naive to even think for a second that Russia is his Ally, like they were the allies of Saddam.

For decades Russia presented itself as being the Ally of many Arab (Muslim) countries, but just enough to do business, they do believe in Irael they will never help a Muslim country to a point where it can harm Israel.

I don't know if you read this, I have read it a few year ago
take a look at this
Worth Reading (http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/american_jew_in_racist_marxist_israel.htm)

As I said before I don't believe nor trust a Politician (that's me) even if he was my own dad.

But I like to give people the benefit of a doubt and judge him by his deeds not speculations and hearsay.
What puts doubt to my head is why are they trying to get rid of him, I am sure sooner or later they will succeed eventually, it's a matter of time.

These cowards can get anyone no matter how garded and protected he really is.
So we will see in the next few months/years.
We need to respect the Iranian's decision, they have to live with it, if he's a deceiver.

[sloughi]

There's not a shred of evidence that Ahmedinejad works for them. islamvslizards has already made some good points to suggest that he is the opposition he appears to be.Mahmoud isn't in league with the Illuminati. Some of the claims I read up here are down right bogus. If he were they wouldn't see him as a road bump to what they would like to achieve. The Illuminati doesn't control everything. Just most corporations of which their power lies on the shoulders of their needy cutomers. Most people are not in league with the Illuminati. There's only a rough guess of 2,000 and the numbers are dwindling. These people don't already control the world. They don't even control hemispheres. South America isn't full of Illuminati Prime Ministers for example.

Some people are carried away with this everyone is a reptilian, everyone is freemason. If it was that situation then people would have nothing to fear because they would be dead or enslaved already. Even Colin Powell, he may be related to Bush and them but so what? He objected to Bush's plan to invade Iraq stating that they are nothing like Afghanistan. When Bush's 2nd term came he stepped down. Everyone isn't a hand-puppet as the loonies up here are thinking. Why would Israel spend so much on twitter to stir up revolution if Mahmoud was in their corner. Some people in this cyber place need a brain. They may as well say Fidel Castro is a 34 degree Freemason who is being used. Hugo Chavez and such. I largely disregard what's posted up here anyway.

[runciter]

Mahmoud isn't in league with the Illuminati. Some of the claims I read up here are down right bogus. If he were they wouldn't see him as a road bump to what they would like to achieve. The Illuminati doesn't control everything. Just most corporations of which their power lies on the shoulders of their needy cutomers. Most people are not in league with the Illuminati. There's only a rough guess of 2,000 and the numbers are dwindling. These people don't already control the world. They don't even control hemispheres. South America isn't full of Illuminati Prime Ministers for example.

Some people are carried away with this everyone is a reptilian, everyone is freemason. If it was that situation then people would have nothing to fear because they would be dead or enslaved already. Even Colin Powell, he may be related to Bush and them but so what? He objected to Bush's plan to invade Iraq stating that they are nothing like Afghanistan. When Bush's 2nd term came he stepped down. Everyone isn't a hand-puppet as the loonies up here are thinking. Why would Israel spend so much on twitter to stir up revolution if Mahmoud was in their corner. Some people in this cyber place need a brain. They may as well say Fidel Castro is a 34 degree Freemason who is being used. Hugo Chavez and such. I largely disregard what's posted up here anyway.

the illuminati don't control ordinary people, and they usually need our approvation to start wars etc.

i think ahmadinejad, castro, chavez, putin, medvedev, the chinese government, are all illuminati players.

i would never put my trust in anyone of them, and the entire system must be dismantled anyway.

[adbasque]

Mahmoud isn't in league with the Illuminati. Some of the claims I read up here are down right bogus. If he were they wouldn't see him as a road bump to what they would like to achieve. The Illuminati doesn't control everything. Just most corporations of which their power lies on the shoulders of their needy cutomers. Most people are not in league with the Illuminati. There's only a rough guess of 2,000 and the numbers are dwindling. These people don't already control the world. They don't even control hemispheres. South America isn't full of Illuminati Prime Ministers for example.

I am sorry but I think you're wrong to think that they don't control everything, maybe not a 100% but they do control most countries some are controlled politically, some economically, some both, some culturally and so on..

They have some sort of control, even if it means a disruptive control.
where they plant their agents, in order to reshape a country's political platform, they may not control The whole of Iran for instance, but they damn well control the most parts of the country.

That's why people like Chavez and Ahmedinejad find it hard they have lot of enemies within the country and outside.
The outside world uses the enemies of those leaders to get to them.
Although I don't believe that Chavez, Ahmedinejad are a 100% genuine, I will always have my reservations, many people in the early 60s thought that FIdel Castro was the real enemy of the US, while now we know the truth.

Basically the Elite keep repeating the same patterns, sometime I wonder who's the dumbest of the two, them or the people.

But I came to a conclusion that it's the people unfortunately, because they always repeat the same patterns in their behaviour and the way they do things and yet a lot of people don't get it.

It's almost like a dare from their part.


Some people are carried away with this everyone is a reptilian, everyone is freemason. If it was that situation then people would have nothing to fear because they would be dead or enslaved already. Even Colin Powell, he may be related to Bush and them but so what? He objected to Bush's plan to invade Iraq stating that they are nothing like Afghanistan. When Bush's 2nd term came he stepped down. Everyone isn't a hand-puppet as the loonies up here are thinking. Why would Israel spend so much on twitter to stir up revolution if Mahmoud was in their corner. Some people in this cyber place need a brain. They may as well say Fidel Castro is a 34 degree Freemason who is being used. Hugo Chavez and such. I largely disregard what's posted up here anyway.

I have to agree with the first part of your comment, although we always need to bare in mind, whatever two politicians are doing in front of you, it's nothing but a scripted act.

They may even appear to hate each other's guts but behind the scene they have a good laugh about it and how dumb we all are in applauding one or the other.

Once people really get this through their heads we will have a fighting chance, I know probably most people on this forum do realise that, but what they don't realise is when taken from one bed and put on another.

To continue the endless sleep.

It's not because you discover something new that means it's the truth, the second discovery could also be orchestrated and put there for you to embrace on what you believe to be your "own" choice and conclusion.

It's sometimes very hard to tell what is what and who's who.
The key here is to never fully embrace anything always keep an open window if you ever need to escape.

That's how I will deal with most situations.

[adbasque]

the illuminati don't control ordinary people, and they usually need our approvation to start wars etc.

i think ahmadinejad, castro, chavez, putin, medvedev, the chinese government, are all illuminati players.

i would never put my trust in anyone of them, and the entire system must be dismantled anyway.

Exactly, I could never put my trust in any politician for that matter, not just those aformentioned.
Until they are proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are who they say they are.

Yes 99.9% of all leaders are puppets, if not controlled directly by the big (global) Elite they are most likely to be controlled by the internal Elite or a smaller version, that is controlled by the global Elite

[sloughi]

I am sorry but I think you're wrong to think that they don't control everything, maybe not a 100% but they do control most countries some are controlled politically, some economically, some both, some culturally and so on.. The Illuminati doesn't have the power that you are attributing to them. They have strong influence but they merely are not nearly as powerful as you claim. Had they been as strong as you claim, they would have no obstacle in their goals.
[quote=adbasque
They have some sort of control, even if it means a disruptive control.
where they plant their agents, in order to reshape a country's political platform, they may not control The whole of Iran for instance, but they damn well control the most parts of the country.[/quote]They only control the US and Europe. The rest of the world is a free world. They had obstacles during the Islamic Empire. They have had obstacles during the Vietnam War, They had obstacles during the Korean War. They do not control what paranoia-delusional people are trying to convince us of. They are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq right now because Saddam and that Afghan leader would not submit to them. North Korea and Iran are openly opposed to the Illuminati and Cuba could jump on board if they could. The thing is Fidel Castro is more worried about his health than the US. But Chavez has filled in the gap. These men are greater than the Illuminati because the Illuminati manipulate the weak-minded but anything strong enough usualluy beat them. The Bay of Pigs when Fidel kicked their butts, The Korean War when China suppressed the US and the Vietnam war where France was kicked out. They have bee struggling in trying to grab the world and any slip now would cost them because Mahmoud, Kim Il-Jong and Chavez are ready to make sure of it.

Sush an eruption would cost Israel it's existence, The United States her major cities as well as a failed grip in South America.

[veritasvoice]

Remember guys and girls, he's the good guy! Not part of a controlled establishment at all! He's a true rebel!

And if you believe any of that, I have a bridge I think you'd be interested in buying. :rolleyes:

Ahmadinejad calls for new world order (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=85972)

[adbasque]

The Illuminati doesn't have the power that you are attributing to them. They have strong influence but they merely are not nearly as powerful as you claim. Had they been as strong as you claim, they would have no obstacle in their goals.
They only control the US and Europe. The rest of the world is a free world. They had obstacles during the Islamic Empire. They have had obstacles during the Vietnam War, They had obstacles during the Korean War. They do not control what paranoia-delusional people are trying to convince us of. They are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq right now because Saddam and that Afghan leader would not submit to them. North Korea and Iran are openly opposed to the Illuminati and Cuba could jump on board if they could. The thing is Fidel Castro is more worried about his health than the US. But Chavez has filled in the gap. These men are greater than the Illuminati because the Illuminati manipulate the weak-minded but anything strong enough usualluy beat them. The Bay of Pigs when Fidel kicked their butts, The Korean War when China suppressed the US and the Vietnam war where France was kicked out. They have bee struggling in trying to grab the world and any slip now would cost them because Mahmoud, Kim Il-Jong and Chavez are ready to make sure of it.

Sush an eruption would cost Israel it's existence, The United States her major cities as well as a failed grip in South America.

One has to consider the two levels of control, the real control is behind the scenes what you're describing here is the movie we all see, but deep down every leader is controlled one way or the other.

Does the Korean leader give the Koreans their freedom, their liberties etc..?
I don't think so, the Chinese leader? The African leaders? The Muslim leaders?
None they are all corrupt but there are those who are openly corrupt and others who are playing it safe.

Watch out for the global market moving from the west to Asia.
You mentioned above the US cities etc.., these people couldn't give a toss about any country, for them the whole planet is theirs, so long as "They" are safe, to hell everyone else.

Consider the many levels of control there are on the pyramid.
that's all

[adbasque]

Remember guys and girls, he's the good guy! Not part of a controlled establishment at all! He's a true rebel!

And if you believe any of that, I have a bridge I think you'd be interested in buying. :rolleyes:

Ahmadinejad calls for new world order (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=85972)

What I would use here is choose the less evil of the two.
but good guy is a big word my friend :)

[jesuitsdidit]

no doubt it is a sad situation. however whatever he is, the people voted for and chose him to represent them. it seems crazy to us western devils, but thats the leader they chose democratically.

working classes will always vote for the one who promises them riches
they do not see the big picture

of course the poor voted for Ah'jad
he promised them heaven

fake rebel imo..

[sloughi]

One has to consider the two levels of control, the real control is behind the scenes what you're describing here is the movie we all see, but deep down every leader is controlled one way or the other.

Does the Korean leader give the Koreans their freedom, their liberties etc..?
I don't think so, the Chinese leader? The African leaders? The Muslim leaders?
None they are all corrupt but there are those who are openly corrupt and others who are playing it safe. But you are believeing the propaganda the West perpetuates to support your belief.. Those people are free but it is Western sanctions that is killing those people. Just as with Saddam. They hated Saddam and sanctioned his ability to take care of his people. He had limited funds and took care of what he could. The Illuminati is not as strong as ya'll claim it is. They want to have that control but currently lack it.

Consider the many levels of control there are on the pyramid. That pyramid is a short faulty structure that only runs from Europe to the US buddy.