My despair

[les_paul_robot]

Got up later than I wanted this morning, but you can do that when you're not in the rat race!
Printed some leaflets, A5 with this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/album.php?albumid=478&pictureid=4747) and this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=478&pictureid=4877) double sided (thanks d3v_), and went to town, to the high street, like I said I would...
I really didn't put much thought into this so felt a little intimidated. However, Greenpeace chuggers were out today and I went up to the first one I saw.
Greenpeaceman: "Hi, would you like to help the environment?"
Me: "I guess."
GP: "Well I'm here today to... [blah blah, you can guess]"
Me: "You know, a year ago I would be keen, now I'm not so sure about charities and ideally they shouldn't be needed and I would need to look up if the people behind a charity like Greenpeace are really trustworthy."
GP: "But no! We're not a charity - we're a non-profit organisation!"
Some waffle explaining the difference and him saying he understands Oxfam are a bit dodgy.
Me: "The environment issue would be eradicated if we got rid of the influence of certain rich people. Are you aware that a group of very rich and powerful people are manipulating the world, yet remain out of the public eye?"
Hand him a leaflet.
GP: "Ohhh... you're one of those conspiracy theorists!"
Me: "Hmm, the term really should be truth seeker."
GP: "Yeah, I watched the Obama Deception and at first I thought it was great, but then that guy behind it... what's his name?"
Me: "Alex Jones?"
[At this point I have to admit I've not actually watched this video]
GP: "That guy's crazy!"
Me: "Alex Jones is awesome."
GP: "Some of the stuff he claims like the military on the moon and Mars, and planes that spray stuff to try and poison us..."
Me: "Yeah, chemtrails! I saw one being sprayed the other day." [This is true, btw]
GP: "ok, but he also said the military can kill goats just using their minds!"
[I had not heard this claim anywhere]
GP: "And when I watched his video he says to check out sources, and I went to those sites but couldn't see them there. And then his website he's trying to sell you all this stuff for when the apocalypse starts!! He's just after money!"
I explain at this point I've not bought anything from AJ. I then try to explain the ever growing encroachment on our privacy etc. that even as we speak we're on several cctv cameras, but he doesn't seem too bothered about this, only if his bedroom privacy was compromised would he have a real problem.
He takes the conversation back to the environment and I tell him I won't be signing up because I have no job! I said that getting a critical mass of people to think differently would properly solve the issue with the environment and tried to give a symptoms v. root cause analogy.
GP: "Yeah but until we live in a communist state or something, there'll always be capitalism and that's the problem".
Me: "Capitlaism and communism are different degrees on a scale of a flawed system, we an alternative..."
GP: "I don't wanna live in a world run by that crazy guy! (AJ)"
He says if he doesn't sign two people up that day he'll be sacked, and that so far he's got one signature. So I kinda tell him I don't want to take up his time when he could be saving his job! So he shakes my hand and he tells me to not give out any more leaflets. I wanted to say I can do what the hell I want! Overall, I would say he was more pissed-off with me than not!

I was kinda encouraged cos it's not like he hadn't heard of any of what's really going on, but then felt disheartened cos
1) I really didn't think about how to put points across, never mind to an environmentalist/salesman (I didn't bring up climate change as being a con - even I want an easy life it seems...)
2) If he was having a hard time with this stuff, I thought stopping an unawakened member of public to tell them this stuff would be like having someone talking Swahili to them!
Sigh.

With that experience, I recollected my thoughts in Smiths, then went back out and saw another Greenpeace chugger! I walked towards her.
And I will tell you about that conversation tomorrow - it's late now...

[kappy0405]

I was kinda encouraged cos it's not like he hadn't heard of any of what's really going on, but then felt disheartened cos
1) I really didn't think about how to put points across, never mind to an environmentalist/salesman (I didn't bring up climate change as being a con - even I want an easy life it seems...)
2) If he was having a hard time with this stuff, I thought stopping an unawakened member of public to tell them this stuff would be like having someone talking Swahili to them!
Sigh.


:D Thanks for sharing the experience. It can be very interesting talking with people about this..

you were smart to avoid fighting him on his beliefs..

As for people thinking your nuts, I just try to keep it simple and stay on topic with the more "realistic" aspects of the system. I never delve into the spiritual or paranormal because most people won't go there. I don't mention 'Illuminati' or the 'masons' or any other word that could throw people off..

I've found that by simply changing the wording around, you can get a lot more people to pay attention.

Instead of saying 'New World Order', say Fascist Imperialism... or even US Imperialism.. or you could simply explain that 'globalization' IS the NWO. "Are you really denying that globalization is happening?"

Some people don't even like the word fascism, so I'll just explain it's the merger between corporate and government. Almost EVERYONE is aware that this is happening on some level, but the word itself could throw em off.

Never say that people 'control' the government or the world from behind the curtain. It's not a matter of 'control', it's a matter of 'influence'. They simply lobby and fund certain projects.. that's where the control comes from. The average joe can't grasp the idea that a group of people are controlling the government, but they certainly know that lobbying exists.

From there, I'll just explain where the lobbying comes from.. ie the Round Table think tanks. By now, they should be willing to talk with you without thinking your "one of those conspiracy theorists".

By taking this simpler 'down to earth' (at least to the conventional mind) approach, I've gotten almost 10x the amount of people to stay and talk with me.

Anyway, you get major kudos for actually getting out there and spreading the info. If everyone in the anti-nwo movement could make a dedicated effort to do this, we'd stop the nwo in no time. :)

[les_paul_robot]

Thanks kappy - will take that advice on board for another attempt.

Back to yesterday:
I said to her
"Do you think there's too much suffering in the world?"
GP: "That's just too deep and philosophical."
Me "Really? It' just a yes or no answer."
GP: "It's all relative. My sociology teacher once asked, and this was controversial, which was worse, to take a life or to give life? I mean would you say we're suffering now?"
Me: "Yes".
GP: "That's quite pessimistic really. Look at the sky... you wake up in the morning and you can do whatever you want in life..."
Me: "I don't think I'm pessimistic - I think things are gonna change for the better. Are you aware that all our suffering is by design?"
Hand her the lealfet. She's a bit bemused by the political aspect to this. Goes into her environmental sales pitch.
Me: "The environmental problems will be sorted when people aware of all this." Pointing to the leaflet I gave her in her hand.
GP: "Did you make this by yourself?"
Me: "Not entirely."
GP: "How many of there are you? We need numbers. That's why [goes into environmental pitch]".
Me: "Yes, I wanna save rainforests but the root cause needs to be addressed and that will be done when enough people are aware of this stuff."
She kinda gives up and say "Well, you're more optimistic than I am." Shakes my hand and I leave.

I guess she knew this was gonna be a different convo when someone's walking up to her! But she was bright and I hope she looks this stuff up.

I think we can learn from these charity muggers.
In addition to rehearsing answering typical questions from the unawakened, we could have ring-binders or folders like the chuggers do with stats, diagrams and facts to make points.
If two or more truth seekers know each other in the same town, this could be highly effective.

[juttkeys]

Hats of to you Les Paul excellent post too nice leaflets btw, wouldnt mind printing some off myself and an excellent reply from Kappy! I shall use that advice myself too, i totally agree its all about the way this material is presented when discussing it with people who havent come across or been made aware of these topics before...

Best wishes

[ibaster]

Hi there.

You are certainly headed in the right direction in my mind. I think there is always a problem when you associate yourself with somebody like Alex Jones. I mean not just him but anybody who has some fame. The main reason being that you have too much baggage to get through.

I would have tried to keep the conversation on the issues that you feel strongly about. Of course it also helps to know those issues well. Even though we may be "awake" we can always learn more.

I used to have a friend who Chugged for a while. He was a real cool guy and we had some conversations about 9/11 etc. He was more of a traditional "liberal" I guess you would say. He was very intelligent and I think it is wrong to sell people short when you try to "unplug" them. Sure they might not be aware of some stuff but if they are doing something that they believe in then they perhaps have some knowledge that they could share with you.

People have prejudice against this sort of information and sadly a lot of that has to do with some of the stuff that passes for "information".

I think it is vital to stick with facts as much as possible. I would try and avoid anything too wild sounding. You really only need to open the door and perhaps their mind.

Good stuff though. Keep it up. sorry if I went on a bit or told you stuff you already know.

[les_paul_robot]

Thanks guys, your advice was all good. I'll need to regroup and prepare better for the next onslaught. :D

I have another issue with all this stuff. I'm single and I met this girl last week and I think she likes me. I like her too. She's a single mum, and a year ago that might have made me reject the idea, but I'm wiser to that low level of categorisation. She called me the other day and we spoke for 70 minutes and she wants to meet up when she gets back from holiday - despite knowing that I have no job and refuse to own a mobile phone! Do you think she's interested?

At some point my interests in exposing the NWO, reptilians, chemtrails etc. will have to come up - I'm despairing at how this could be a sticking point...
Another thing is, knowing what I know now, there's no way I can 'celebrate' Christmas like the majority do.
Woe is me.

[ibaster]

When I met my wife she was a single mum. I admit this can be a challenge because it is a package deal when maybe you just wanted the flight and not the hotel too but if it works out it could be perfect you know?

It is certainly possible that she is interested. Kudos on the phone thing too btw. My wife allows me to tell her of my theories etc. She listens to me. She hears me out. She might disagree or she might say yeah that is true or seems true. I think it is just one of those things. If you can tell a Chugger than I am sure you can tell her your feelings and thoughts. I would start by saying "it might sound crazy to you but hear me out on this" ha.

Obviously don`t expect her to believe everything that you do. Any coupling will encounter differences in opinions. If it works these things just make late night chats more fun.

Worse case scenario she is not interested and you can just assume that she is a mole who decided her assignment was too hard.


Either way,
Good Luck

[tyler]

Bloody well done for getting our there in the first place!

If only more people on this forum would get off their arses and hit the streets.

My advice....keep it simple until they show an interest and start to ask questions.

Point up at the chemtrails in the sky and ask them what they think they are. Most will answer that they are just aircraft exhausts, aren't they?
Have your facts memorised and explain what they really are and why we are being sprayed. Bring up fluoride in the water. Mention how it was used in the gulags to keep prisoners passive. Don't get too deep. Have a few flyers with Jeff Rense's website address on it. Avoid talking about Alex Jones. The jury is out on him at the moment. Nobody is too sure about him.

On 9/11 ask them why the third building collapsed. Most people don't know there was a third building. Get them to promise to Google "Five Dancing Israelis" when they get home.

Ask them why we have troops in Afghanistan and what have the Afghanis ever done to harm us. Mention the poppy trade, the heroin trade and the fact that the drug trade is the biggest moneyspinner in the world and that Afghanistan provides nearly all the heroin in the world and that that trade was stopped by the Taliban and is now going full blast again under the protection of British and American troops. That is what young British lads are dying for everyday along with hundreds of Afghanis who never get mentioned in the media.
Good on you, mate!

[ibaster]

yeah get people asking questions rather than just preaching to them.

[rodin]

Avoid talking about Alex Jones. The jury is out on him at the moment. Nobody is too sure about him.

Some of us are :D

[prodigy_x]

Thanks guys, your advice was all good. I'll need to regroup and prepare better for the next onslaught. :D

I have another issue with all this stuff. I'm single and I met this girl last week and I think she likes me. I like her too. She's a single mum, and a year ago that might have made me reject the idea, but I'm wiser to that low level of categorisation. She called me the other day and we spoke for 70 minutes and she wants to meet up when she gets back from holiday - despite knowing that I have no job and refuse to own a mobile phone! Do you think she's interested?

At some point my interests in exposing the NWO, reptilians, chemtrails etc. will have to come up - I'm despairing at how this could be a sticking point...
Another thing is, knowing what I know now, there's no way I can 'celebrate' Christmas like the majority do.
Woe is me.

Just be yourself, my friend. You never know what series of circumstances and choices led to both of you meeting and chatting for a good bit. There may be (probably, actually) a reason you two met at this point in time...

I have a similar story in that I've been researching, reading and studying tons of books about the moon landings, illuminati, NWO, Zecharia Sitchen, and David Icke's stuff for years and I had gone through a few girlfriends in that time. I only spoke occasionally about those subjects (never brought them up unless someone asked) and was usually met with either a strange response or a complete subject change.

3 years ago I met my fiance while at a party and I just decided that I was going to bring some of these books to her place and casually read them while she was there (I really liked her and figured, "let me see if how she responds to this stuff by presenting it subtly"). Eventually, curiousity, got the better of her and she started reading them too!! Now she is almost more skeptical about the TPTB and mainstream media than I am!!

Point being...just let it happen!