Argue against execution for this filth?

[lynfowars]

Can anyone put forward a reason why the, words defy me, who battered this old timer to death should not be executed?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207139/Pensioner-battered-death-bus-stop-broad-daylight--asking-thug-feet.html

[size_of_light]

It doesn't make any moral or logical sense for us to punish someone for the crime of murder by committing that crime ourselves?

[dude111]

It doesn't make any moral sense for us to punish someone for the crime of murder by committing that crime ourselves?Hey a life for a life!!

[size_of_light]

Hey a life for a life!!

...for a life...for a life....for a life...etc...etc...

Why stop at two?

[arty2000]

It doesn't make any moral or logical sense for us to punish someone for the crime of murder by committing that crime ourselves?

agree

[hadabusa]

i believe in 2eyes4an eye.

jk.


death penalty is barbaric and wrong.
nobody should have authority to decide upon other human lifes.

[astrochicken]

Hey a life for a life!!


Nah.. 20 years of gang-rape in one of her majestys finer establishments.

[arty2000]

Hey a life for a life!!

thats the same type of logic tptb use to justify their recent wars...we must get them before they get us...we must kill to save lives

[redtree999]

It's like the old saying.."Hanging's too good for them". Why offer an easy way out?

Apart from all the things that might happen in prison to remind him of what a bad boy he has been, I feel it is important to really make an example of him to anyone else who think they can do whatever they like when they get angry.
In such violent times, the emphasis should be on education - Not retribution, or else it will just escalate beyond control.

[illuminumnuts]

This might not be a popular view, but I tend to blame society more than the individual. I used to be a bit of a scumbag, no jokes about still being one please, and that happened because I went down the wrong paths at 14. I didn't have a fekking clue about anything. A lot of these teenage tearaways are victims too. It's just that society feels the need to apportion 'blame'. I don't deny folk need to be taken off the streets for serious crimes. However, the notion of punishment, especially for runaway teenagers, is daft. It should all be about rehabilitation and nothing else. I think Finland has a system where incarceration is used as a last resort and it seems to work well for them.

[the om]

So lemme get this straight... There were eye witnesses who saw this, and they did nothing? Wtf... They should be charged for murder too!
And the old guy was walking his dog... There is no mention of the dog after them saying that though. Why wasn't the dog doing anything to help its owner?

Can anyone say mind control? Or at least thought implantation? I mean come on... No one in their right mind would lash out (especially not like this) for being asked to move their feet... I honestly feel sorry for this kid!

[dynamicwiseman]

So lemme get this straight... There were eye witnesses who saw this, and they did nothing? Wtf... They should be charged for murder too!
And the old guy was walking his dog... There is no mention of the dog after them saying that though. Why wasn't the dog doing anything to help its owner?

Can anyone say mind control? Or at least thought implantation? I mean come on... No one in their right mind would lash out (especially not like this) for being asked to move their feet... I honestly feel sorry for this kid!

What most people fail to see is that this system is built on fear & death. Where one mans death is another man's meal ticket to some promised money or life style. Perps walk around without any fear from the law, as they know the system will treat them different from those who are not part of the man's plan.

What kind of person wakes up from his bed and think i shall kill the next man who so much as looks at me or steps on my toes! wtf?. I remember all those reports of kids stabbing each other down in London between 2007-2008. Where a sudden rise in stabbings could be noticed, and kids die for the stupidest things. Listen these perps are aware of knowledge the common man is simply not exposed to. The facts are, these perps are part of the system the carry out the dirty work of establishment without raising too many eye browns. They move in circles you or I would find repulsive, they drive and live expensive lives. Getting rid of undesirables the systems deems a threat, without these perps the system simply could not continue.

As farfetched as it may seem, the reasons behind sudden increase in crime in your area or city is simply the establishment way instilling fear into you. If you fear the system you will obey the system. Criminals are released into the community after a year or so, quietly through the back door of the prison system. There are numerous paedophiles, murders, drug dealers that get released into the community within 6 months of a 20 year sentence. The perps trust the system a lot more than you and I, they know they can get away with murder, because they are pervious to hidden information, the average man is simply not aware of. The system uses many of the psychopathic in society to do the dirty work of the establishmentarian, and this case is no different. That Brazilian electrician, on 7/7, was a state sanctioned execution, simply because they did not want sensitive information to surface, and alert the public that their government is evil.

[kanz]

So lemme get this straight... There were eye witnesses who saw this, and they did nothing? Wtf... They should be charged for murder too!
And the old guy was walking his dog... There is no mention of the dog after them saying that though. Why wasn't the dog doing anything to help its owner?

Can anyone say mind control? Or at least thought implantation? I mean come on... No one in their right mind would lash out (especially not like this) for being asked to move their feet... I honestly feel sorry for this kid!

I think you need to calm down a little mate. The situation wasnt mind control , it was some kid who got wound up by an old cunt and went to far(More than likely the argument started because of him asking to move his feet , the kid told him to fuck off and so on and so on).

How are you going to charge the witnesses with murder?, ofc they didnt do anything . Some mad 20 year old is swinging about a weapon last thing you wana do is aproach him unarmed , this aint the movie's.

Not saying it's right but it happens.

[romas]

I don't see how execution would solve anything, kids would never have a chance to learn/undirtand his mistake and humane executions cost a lot of money. Make them work for the society, pay up to old mans relatives etc.

He could be sent to special institution, to study human aggression and psychology, advance society as a whole.

[siliconpsychosis]

I agree with Kanz on this one.

The old guy didnt do himself any favours. The article suggests that the old guy objected to the young guy for 'sitting with his feet stretched into the pavement'. ?!?!?! (thats an odd objection in itself in my opinion). And then to make matters worse he then decided to throw the lads bag over a hedge.

If he had chosen to bypass the lad then he may be alive today.

Tragic, avoidable, ego driven stupidity.

[the om]

I think you need to calm down a little mate. The situation wasnt mind control , it was some kid who got wound up by an old cunt and went to far(More than likely the argument started because of him asking to move his feet , the kid told him to fuck off and so on and so on).

How are you going to charge the witnesses with murder?, ofc they didnt do anything . Some mad 20 year old is swinging about a weapon last thing you wana do is aproach him unarmed , this aint the movie's.

Not saying it's right but it happens.

I'm still pretty convinced there were mind control agents involved in it... I mean, its like Dynamicwiseman said: no one wakes up in the morning thinking 'ok. I'm gonna kill the first person who so much as treads on my toes today'. Its flat out not normal.

And as for the witnesses, they could have relied on the same philosophy as we do on this forum: safety in numbers. Even if I was alone, there would be no way in hell I'd just stand by and watch some old guy get beaten to death...

And Dynamicwiseman, I understand and agree with pretty much everthing you said. What I can't figure out is how so many people can't see through it...

[siliconpsychosis]

Article quote...

'one eye witnesses described seeing 'a look of fear' in Mr Seaman's face as Pearn approached with the piece of wood.'

Why didnt the old guy walk away when the young guy was seen returning from the other side of the road with a piece of wood?

[rashhead]

Let the affected decide / administer the punishment

Maybe more / less harsh than present, but at least it will be relatively just in the long term

Personally me and bro's get the tools out :eek:

Harsh it may sound, but who cares about selfish reprobates

Self judication is only plausible where necessary

Has this lead to anorchy, NO, it ensures people don't fook others over

[the om]

What most people fail to see is that this system is built on fear & death. Where one mans death is another man's meal ticket to some promised money or life style. Perps walk around without any fear from the law, as they know the system will treat them different from those who are not part of the man's plan.

Just saw this, but the article says that the kid has "been accused" for the murder. Not that he's standing trial for committing the murder, but that he's been "accused" of it. If thats not a fear tactic, I dunno what is. It suggests that people with that mentality are mostly free to roam the streets, and not even the justice system can completely control that part of them.

[deem]

If the old guy had kept his mouth shut and walked round or over the perps feet he'd still be alive. He seems to be the one that initiated the confrontation, he must have used a very unsubtle tone to get the young man so riled. As it turns out, giving the young guy a piece of his mind was like dangling his family jewels in the open mouth of a crocodile.:( So to speak...

[mynameis]

He should get an English Tea bag every morning in prison for the rest of his life. A nice brown salad. And some rugby in the showers.

[Anders Lindman]

What scares me is that there are psychos like this walking around. I want to feel safe among other people, and not have the risk of being physically attacked. :mad::(

Could it be that evil has actually been PROGRAMMED into people by the manipulators of humanity? That wouldn't surprise me. As a part of the baa-baa - fear scheme David Icke has said that the rulers use (and have used for thousands of years) to control the masses.

[merlincove]

Hey a life for a life!!

a life for a life equates to human existance being none existant.

like ghandi said, an eye for an eye only makes the world blind.

Who are we, or any one else, to judge whether another has right to life?

[yozhik]

This might not be a popular view, but I tend to blame society more than the individual. [...] It's just that society feels the need to apportion 'blame'.

Ummm ... ok ... so how does that logic work?

A society blames an individual - and that's not OK ... but an individual can blame society - and that makes sense?

Sorry ... I don't get it.

The issue - and you have mentioned it repeatedly without identifying it - is blame.
Once we move from a blame culture into one that takes responsibility and stop trying to apportion our mistakes onto others; the better.

[yozhik]

If the old guy had kept his mouth shut and walked round or over the perps feet he'd still be alive. He seems to be the one that initiated the confrontation, he must have used a very unsubtle tone to get the young man so riled. As it turns out, giving the young guy a piece of his mind was like dangling his family jewels in the open mouth of a crocodile.:( So to speak...

Errrr ... this reads like; "the old man deserved what he got."

Is it?
Would that be a fair summation of your post?

OK - the ol' guy may have used poor judgement ... but since when has that been a justified death sentence?
If that's the barometer we now use, then maybe you'll be thankful for thos speeding tickets ... God forbid speeding could also be deemed as dangling your family jewels in the mouth of a [taser armed] crocodile.
:rolleyes:

[godgoo]

I dont justify what that lunatic did, but it just goes to show that people are pissed off. And that the truth is, no one really respects their peers anymore? Or atleast some dont. People are sick of being told what todo, and are sick of others attitudes towards them. If we all attacked when someone, is, off, to us, then being off would be considered undesirebale and would cease, in most parts. This is the mess we're in as peoples attitudes are getting efty and ruling? they're ruling on the street and ruling in the education and work place, more personal lives enter the work place because of women that can't hold their piss?

When the common man/woman scumbag/teenager or whatever can get to grips with the fact they don't rule people. That they bend and adjust to other people, and expect the same in return. Then we will have a respectable society for all. At the moment it's just attitude after ruling attitude, and it is time to get the gloves on, with everybody. Because it is taking the piss.

One ruling attitude too far for this prat, it'll catch on. It'll become a religion before people will learn to just shut the fuck-up in public or get smacked up. Pitty, for the ol fella though, he sustained a gruesome injury. RIP.

[sardonicus]

Death penalty? No! Long prison sentence with no app for parole = Yes!

I work with the public and trust me some old people can be just as vile,
rude, arrogant, aggressive and obnoxous as some younger people. By the way,
Alec Pearn wasn't "a kid" but a 20 year old ADULT.

Let's face it if some old gent threw your bag over a hedge you wud
probably give him a dig, but to beat his head to a pulp with a makeshift club
that was an very extreme response!

The newspaper report is also very sketchy... it cud of been a very busy road
and the old gentleman didn't want to walk into the road or take his dog
into the road with traffic passing?

I don't agree with all this blame society shite tho - it's a piss poor argument
to blame anyone or anything else for what YOU do! It's about time that ALL people
took responsibilty for their own behaviour and actions and stopped blaming others
for their own shitty attitude and the wicked things they do to other people.

Feel sorry for the old guys wife, sons, grandchildren... what an awful and barbaric
way to meet ones death.

As for the onlookers who did nothing - shame on you!

As for the perpetrator - bang him up for 25...
that will sort him out!

[hobo]

Death penalty? No! Long prison sentence with no app for parole = Yes!

I work with the public and trust me some old people can be just as vile,
rude, arrogant, aggressive and obnoxous as some younger people. By the way,
Alec Pearn wasn't "a kid" but a 20 year old ADULT.

Let's face it if some old gent threw your bag over a hedge you wud
probably give him a dig, but to beat his head to a pulp with a makeshift club
that was an very extreme response!

The newspaper report is also very sketchy... it cud of been a very busy road
and the old gentleman didn't want to walk into the road or take his dog
into the road with traffic passing?

I don't agree with all this blame society shite tho - it's a piss poor argument
to blame anyone or anything else for what YOU do! It's about time that ALL people
took responsibilty for their own behaviour and actions and stopped blaming others
for their own shitty attitude and the wicked things they do to other people.

Feel sorry for the old guys wife, sons, grandchildren... what an awful and barbaric
way to meet ones death.

As for the onlookers who did nothing - shame on you!

As for the perpetrator - bang him up for 25...
that will sort him out!

Well said!

[amandashea]

There is obviously something mentally wrong with the "thug" for him to be able to carry out such a heinous act. The death penalty really would not do anything to help reverse what happened. After all, the whole point of the death penalty is to serve as an example to others (yet for some reason it is done behind closed doors where no one actually witnesses the execution). The point is, the death penalty doesn't work, nor does our current prison system.

I came across a forum where a character who goes by the name of Kwin explains a social program that he calls, "SPARTA," which stands for Social Program to Assist and Rehabilitate Troubled Americans. I like his idea very much because he points out that our current prison system does nothing but create criminals who are even more mentally ill than they were before they arrived in prison. "Correctional facilities" do not serve the purpose of correcting any of the problems faced by the troubled individuals that end up there in the first place. For example, how can 30 years of solitary confinement possibly heal a person who has committed murder? And how can jailing a shoplifter improve their financial (and mental) stability so that they do not feel the need to steal?

SPARTA is a model city that offers a solution to almost every social problem. I would be happy to explain more about it but would much rather just post a link so that readers can have a gander at the discussion for themselves... But I highly doubt that is allowed. I will check on that and if anyone is interested I will provide the necessary info.

[jimmi]

I thought the reason we have prisons is to keep people like this away from those of us who do not wish to cause harm or loss to others. If less of us were locked up for the crimes of being 'poor' such as not paying for a tv licence or council tax, then there would be no excuse for releasing violent criminals early who go on to commit more offences.
Thankfully, I have no reason to argue against execution because that issue was resolved some time ago in this country.

[illuminumnuts]

An individual can blame society - and that's not OK ... but an individual can blame society - and that makes sense?

I think in the first few words you have individual and society the wrong way round? In any event, you haven't understood what i'm saying. I think we need to radically rethink the concept of 'blame'. Same as with revenge, hate, punishment etc., it's all negative. That doesn't mean not working hard at getting people to self-realise and take responsibility. Also, it doesn't mean not taking away someone's liberty if deemed necessary. It's what is done in that time that can make a big difference. Our prison system is a joke. Most of them in there are probably just mindless druggies that don't even understand the concept of responsibility. Telling them how despicable they are in a court room and then caging them is not the answer. All the statistics show people from certain demographics are much more likely to end up in jail. These people certainly aren't inherently 'bad' or 'evil'.

[amandashea]

I think we need to radically rethink the concept of 'blame'. Same as with revenge, hate, punishment etc., it's all negative. That doesn't mean not working hard at getting people to self-realise and take responsibility. Also, it doesn't mean not taking away someone's liberty if deemed necessary. It's what is done in that time that can make a big difference. Our prison system is a joke. Most of them in there are probably just mindless druggies that don't even understand the concept of responsibility. Telling them how despicable they are in a court room and then caging them is not the answer. All the statistics show people from certain demographics are much more likely to end up in jail. These people certainly aren't inherently 'bad' or 'evil'.

Well said, I totally agree with you...

[amandashea]

Thankfully, I have no reason to argue against execution because that issue was resolved some time ago in this country.

What do you mean by that?

[godgoo]

It is because people are ruling each other, it honestly makes no sense to present an attitude to anyone. Truely todo so is absolutely pathetic and mutant. It really is mutated and is not real, it is NWO brainwashed. Honestly to go out into the world and present an attitude to someone you do not know. Is retarded. It is weired :) very weired. It's ALIENS :)

[yozhik]

I think in the first few words you have individual and society the wrong way round?

Ooops ... yep ... thanks!
Edited original comment.
:o

[amandashea]

Honestly to go out into the world and present an attitude to someone you do not know. Is retarded. It is weired :) very weired. It's ALIENS :)

Asking questions is the best way to get to know someone, and being asked questions is sometimes the best way to better know yourself...

[godgoo]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hCtXNDGAhxI/SLNsp8vSxuI/AAAAAAAABik/tr0Iy6GNVDk/s400/nephilim__height+chart+2.jpg

Get with it, no execution lets play it out, if you want it?

[godgoo]

Asking questions is the best way to get to know someone, and being asked questions is sometimes the best way to better know yourself...
We can't really do that there isn't enough respect besides people are getting too gay.

http://www.ablogabouthistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tooth.png

:)

[pduffy4]

Article quote...

'one eye witnesses described seeing 'a look of fear' in Mr Seaman's face as Pearn approached with the piece of wood.'

Why didnt the old guy walk away when the young guy was seen returning from the other side of the road with a piece of wood?

Perhaps because the young guy would have run after him? Or perhaps he hoped the young guy was not insane.

Just wait 'till the NWO bring out their Rabbis Vaccines! Watch the film I Am Legend to see what the NWO wants for us.

[yozhik]

I think we need to radically rethink the concept of 'blame'.
Rather than rethink the concept, I [unrealistically] believe we should eliminate it completely; it serves no purpose.

I suspect you're saying the same; if so, consider this agreement and affirmation. :)

Same as with revenge, hate, punishment etc., it's all negative. That doesn't mean not working hard at getting people to self-realise and take responsibility. Also, it doesn't mean not taking away someone's liberty if deemed necessary.
Interesting ... I don't see why responsibility and liberty are mutually exclusive.

Regards the other negative forces, for me the question is more along the lines of where do we learn these traits/emotions?
Are they instinctive? Or conditioned?
Environmental? Social? Or inherent?

I have never seen a baby exhibit "hate.
Maybe it's just that label that is the issue?
Revenge and jealousy, on the other hand, seem to be somewhat instinctive.
I'm not aware of a parent instructing a toddler to throw a hissy fit if another toddler takes their bike ... but I sure as hell have seen them get pretty pissed and strike out at the offender!

Sorry - not trying to be flippant or derail the seriousness of the post, but trying to openly analyse the source of these negatives.
It's a fascinating subject and one that has kept psychiatrists, psychologists and sociologists entertained and employed for decades.

It's what is done in that time that can make a big difference. Our prison system is a joke. Most of them in there are probably just mindless druggies that don't even understand the concept of responsibility.
Huge topic. Could fill pages on this one.
To bring a different perspective, let me quote from another thread, the words of someone other than myself;

When anyone goes to jail, it is for a civil infraction of the Masters’ Will. That makes all of our jails, debtors prisons. [...] Title 18, Federal Crimes and Offences: was never voted on by the Congress, which means that these federal laws are NOT positive law in America. [...] Armed with this fact, now look at the number of convicted people sitting in federal prisons who believe they have been lawfully convicted of violating a federal crime. How many do you imagine have been put to death? How many were shot and killed during the arrest? How many were killed attempting to escape from their illegal confinement? source (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77635)

The entire "justice" system is a FRAUD.
From beginning to end.

[illuminumnuts]

Interesting ... I don't see why responsibility and liberty are mutually exclusive.

I just meant that I wasn't advocating a 'get away with it' society. I'm sure our views aren't too far apart.

[vetis]

people step in to do something?

you have a good chance of being beaten/stabbed/killed yourself or going to jail when they bring charges against you.

there have been too many cases of the first and plenty where decent people stop crimes only to have charges against them.

i agree, hang the scum. there is giving people a chance but some things are unforgivable. why should we have to fork out a fortune a year to feed, keep and clothe these people?

you commit a crime, you injure your society. you then do not deserve any protection from that same society you show no regard for.

the fault of society people are like this? that wouldnt explain why people from the same place, school, class etc.. turn out so different. everyone has free will, use it and live with consequences good or bad.

[bones]

no one has the right to put a man /woman to death for a crime.....

but i do believe very harsh punishment like imprisionment for life! included in that term very hard labour.

[kanz]

Death penalty? No! Long prison sentence with no app for parole = Yes!

I work with the public and trust me some old people can be just as vile,
rude, arrogant, aggressive and obnoxous as some younger people. By the way,
Alec Pearn wasn't "a kid" but a 20 year old ADULT.

Let's face it if some old gent threw your bag over a hedge you wud
probably give him a dig, but to beat his head to a pulp with a makeshift club
that was an very extreme response!

The newspaper report is also very sketchy... it cud of been a very busy road
and the old gentleman didn't want to walk into the road or take his dog
into the road with traffic passing?

I don't agree with all this blame society shite tho - it's a piss poor argument
to blame anyone or anything else for what YOU do! It's about time that ALL people
took responsibilty for their own behaviour and actions and stopped blaming others
for their own shitty attitude and the wicked things they do to other people.

Feel sorry for the old guys wife, sons, grandchildren... what an awful and barbaric
way to meet ones death.

As for the onlookers who did nothing - shame on you!

As for the perpetrator - bang him up for 25...
that will sort him out!

I see what you are saying but i really have a problem with giving life in jail, by doing that you will go the way the american jails have gone imo. Once a guy knows he is faceing life he isnt going to come all that quietly putting public in alot of danger.

Then once serving his life sentance in jail he knows yet again he isnt going to ever get out (why i think rape is worse in american jail than over here. More guys who realised they aint getting out so why not i guess, that and power issues). This could lead to sort of american style prison gangs yet again. Not saying we don't already have these sort of things but they would increase 10 fold imo.

Before you go on about well there in prison so it dosnt effect me or they shouldnt have done the crime , this may be so in many cases ,but you never know when you might end up banged up with these guys over some stupid law nothing major if you get what i mean. Or even when these cut throat gangsters serving life behind bars start really calling the shots outside. Sounds crazy but it happens.

[truth finder]

why give him the saticfaction of death keep him alive and beat the fukc out of him every day this fukcer breeths...death is the easy way out.,:mad:

[kodiak]

no one has the right to put a man /woman to death for a crime.....

but i do believe very harsh punishment like imprisionment for life! included in that term very hard labour.

No murderer has the right to live after extinguishing an innocent person's life. It's not as if murder is akin to mere theft of property; it's an enormous crime that can never be undone, since the victim can never regain his or her life. So, the bottom line is, if you deprive an innocent person of their life, you have to forfeit yours in return.

[blackster]

Personally i think murderers like this should be jailed for life no chance of parole ever, and be made to work hard to pay for there own keep, no tv or games consoles and no luxuries. Also stick him in a cell with a big randy rapist.

Death is too good for these horrible nutjobs, i must admit though if any twat like that hurt anyone in my family like that i would want him dead.

[kanz]

I'm still pretty convinced there were mind control agents involved in it... I mean, its like Dynamicwiseman said: no one wakes up in the morning thinking 'ok. I'm gonna kill the first person who so much as treads on my toes today'. Its flat out not normal.

And as for the witnesses, they could have relied on the same philosophy as we do on this forum: safety in numbers. Even if I was alone, there would be no way in hell I'd just stand by and watch some old guy get beaten to death...

And Dynamicwiseman, I understand and agree with pretty much everthing you said. What I can't figure out is how so many people can't see through it...

Well the kid prob didnt wake up wanting to kill some one , might have been as simple as a bad mood , then the old guy starts .
Not saying thats right but ive had bad days my self and even the smallest thing can make you want to bounce on some people's head some times. I know this is wrong so I don't do it but sometimes it aint easy esp if god forbid he threw my bag over a hedge.

When dealing with that situation , a young guy with a weapon , who has and is willing to use it , and obv in a blind rage , well i wouldn't recomend trying to stop him unless you know how to handle your self , cause if you don't you will more than likely end up with worse than the other guy cause you stuck your nose in someone elses business.

Being honest the only way a society can police it self in a sence would be if people where allowed to carry a concealed firearm. Thats the only way that witness's could have really stoped that from happening. Hell if people where allowed guns the whole thing might not have happened.

You know the old saying " An armed society, is a polite society"

[signalnorth]

No murderer has the right to live after extinguishing an innocent person's life. It's not as if murder is akin to mere theft of property; it's an enormous crime that can never be undone, since the victim can never regain his or her life. So, the bottom line is, if you deprive an innocent person of their life, you have to forfeit yours in return.

And you are on this forum because of what reason?

[bones]

No murderer has the right to live after extinguishing an innocent person's life. It's not as if murder is akin to mere theft of property; it's an enormous crime that can never be undone, since the victim can never regain his or her life. So, the bottom line is, if you deprive an innocent person of their life, you have to forfeit yours in return.

thers been many of cases of miscarrage of justice who have been found innocent decades later...

what if we killed an innocent man/woman?

would you say :oh well never mind cant take it back now"

i question your judgement!!!

[kodiak]

And you are on this forum because of what reason?

What's it to you and why are you singling me out? Am i the only one in favour of capital punishment on this thread? Bizarre.

[kodiak]

thers been many of cases of miscarrage of justice who have been found innocent decades later...

what if we killed an innocent man/woman?

would you say :oh well never mind cant take it back now"

i question your judgement!!!

Yes, that's true re miscarriages of justice. But where guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt, for example, in the case of Ian Huntley who murdered the two little girls in Soham, the death penalty would not be a miscarriage of justice.

Note to you: when people are discussing abstract issues, it's generally the case that basic principles are enlarged upon at the expense of discussing all potential mitigating factors. To get all pouty about someone's judgment because they didn't enunciate on anything beyond a basic principle is petty, in my opinion.

[godgoo]

Yes, that's true re miscarriages of justice. But where guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt, for example, in the case of Ian Huntley who murdered the two little girls in Soham, the death penalty would not be a miscarriage of justice.

Note to you: when people are discussing abstract issues, it's generally the case that basic principles are enlarged upon at the expense of discussing all potential mitigating factors. To get all pouty about someone's judgment because they didn't enunciate on anything beyond a basic principle is a petty, in my opinion.
I suppose it all depends on which organ/organs to target for execution? Brain? I think this is one reason why electrocution would be unacceptable? Innocent organs would be fried in the process. Or non-precursory organs to murder? I think this is why the US uses the drug method, to stop the heart and thus multi-organ failure proceeds. The person being executed unconscious in the process of multi-organ failure, thus targeting the organs in question. It wouldn't make much sense to stabb someone 13 times in the liver? Or burn them? We would be paining organs that played no part in the crime, such as kidneys, skin, bladder. So multi-organ pain is unreasonable.

[godgoo]

I think maybe drowning would be better?

[godgoo]

I suppose it all depends on which organ/organs to target for execution? Brain? I think this is one reason why electrocution would be unacceptable? Innocent organs would be fried in the process. Or non-precursory organs to murder? I think this is why the US uses the drug method, to stop the heart and thus multi-organ failure proceeds. The person being executed unconscious in the process of multi-organ failure, thus targeting the organs in question. It wouldn't make much sense to stabb someone 13 times in the liver? Or burn them? We would be paining organs that played no part in the crime, such as kidneys, skin, bladder. So multi-organ pain is unreasonable.If we are talking organ species then this would be appropriate :)

[jesuitsdidit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207139/Pensioner-battered-death-bus-stop-broad-daylight--asking-thug-feet.html



Pensioner 'battered to death at bus stop in broad daylight... for asking thug to move his feet'

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 5:11 PM on 17th August 2009

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A pensioner was battered to death in broad daylight after he asked a man sitting at a bus stop to move, a court heard today.

Peter Seaman, 66, was walking his dog when he came across 20-year-old Alec Pearn sitting with his feet stretched into the pavement.

The pair had an argument which led to Pearn's bag being thrown over a hedge.
Peter Seaman
Defendant Alec Pearn

Defendant Alec Pearn (right) is accused of killing 66-year-old Peter Seaman in a sustained attack

A jury heard how the furious 20-year-old labourer then picked up a fallen tree branch and beat Mr Seaman to death.

Pearn had been waiting for his father, Andrew, to arrive when the confrontation took place.

In a grim coincidence, Mr Pearn - an off-duty paramedic - was the first to arrive on the scene and treated the man his son is accused of murdering.

Peter Blair QC, prosecuting, said he struck numerous blows to the body before swinging the weapon at Mr Seaman's head, causing his skull to 'cave in'.

Mr Blair said Pearn fled the scene after the attack, on August 7 last year in Dobwalls, Cornwall.

The grandfather-of-two was taken to hospital and died the day after.

Mr Blair told Truro Crown Court: 'This was a chance meeting between two total strangers. Pearn later told police there was an altercation between them. It was an altercation from which he refused to back down and leave alone.

'He completely lost his temper and started attacking Mr Seaman.

'You might have expected the attack to be with his hands or feet but instead he deliberately crossed the road to pick up a piece of wood.

'He then marched purposefully back across the road where he began using it as a weapon. His blows were so severe Mr Seaman suffered defensive injuries to the back of both hands and wrists.

'These were not soft blows, not warning blows, not keep-away-from-me blows. This was a full-on attack.

'Alec Pearn did not stop, he raised this weapon up and he brought it down hard on Mr Seaman's skull. It caved in, the consequences were fatal.'

Pearn, now aged 21, from Looe, denies one count of murder.

The court heard that when interviewed by police he said Mr Seaman had 'nearly swung for him' and he was acting in self defence.

Mr Blair said that eye witnesses described seeing 'a look of fear' in Mr Seaman's face as Pearn approached with the piece of wood.

He said: 'His father Andrew Pearn is a paramedic. He came about three or four minutes after this.

'He found Mr Seaman lying fatally injured in a gutter. He used his skills to try and help Mr Seaman before the ambulance arrived.'

He said the prosecution reject any suggestion of self defence.

'All the witnesses and medical evidence lead to a picture of a young man who had completely lost his temper and intended to cause really serious harm.

'He crossed the road to pick up a weapon and walked back with it. In no sense could it be described as reasonable or proportionate. You can be sure this was not self defence.'

Mr Seaman, a retired heating engineer, was married to Christine and they had two sons Paul and Kevin and grandchildren Joanna, aged eight, and Billy, four.

The trial is due to last one week.

[cpfc12]

Wow amazing how people on this forum, seem to be so desperate in trying to excuse this person who killed an old man, oh it was an "odd objection", "easily avoided" or it was mind control. People commit horrible crimes every single day, as everyone has the capability of doing so, and yes alot of it is to do with your environment, but then again it doesn't excuse them and their actions.
I don't believe hanging this man, would do a lot of good, it would be the easy way out, death would be too easy. Just lock these people who behave as such like animals, maybe in the future when we develop we can treat these sick people, because thats what they are, if they are so violent. But i dont think we should go about shaming the victim and appear more sympathetic to the killer.

[illuminumnuts]

Yes, that's true re miscarriages of justice. But where guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt, for example, in the case of Ian Huntley who murdered the two little girls in Soham, the death penalty would not be a miscarriage of justice.

What Huntley did was terrible. Even if I was pro death penalty, which i'm not, it doesn't legally work to say some folk are 'more guilty' of the crime they are convicted of than others. If you have a death penalty innocent people will always end up copping it, even if only reserved for the most despicable acts. Can you get a greater crime than that?

On Huntley, I sense that some still won't be happy if his dead body is released and buried. If he is on his death bed and morphined to the eyeballs it's all over. The sooner he is forgotten about the better, not that he can be totally erased from our consciousness. Letting go of him emotionally isn't being merciful. It just gives what's left of him and his legacy power to obsess about him. I think he already wants 'out' anyway.

[kodiak]

What Huntley did was terrible. Even if I was pro death penalty, which i'm not, it doesn't legally work to say some folk are 'more guilty' of the crime they are convicted of than others. If you have a death penalty innocent people will always end up copping it, even if only reserved for the most despicable acts. Can you get a greater crime than that?

On Huntley, I sense that some still won't be happy if his dead body is released and buried. If he is on his death bed and morphined to the eyeballs it's all over. The sooner he is forgotten about the better, not that he can be totally erased from our consciousness. Letting go of him emotionally isn't being merciful. It just gives what's left of him and his legacy power to obsess about him. I think he already wants 'out' anyway.

Now that's a very disingenuous take on my comments. "More guilty"? No,no,no. I said, where guilt is beyond any reasonable doubt, in other words, where guilt is patently and undeniably obvious. Having said that, I wouldn't accept confessions under any circumstances as conclusive evidence, given how people might be coerced into confessing to acts they never committed; even the ancient Hebrews would not execute a criminal under his own word alone, and for that very reason.

[illuminumnuts]

where guilt is patently and undeniably obvious.

And infallible humans will make decisions on this? :rolleyes: Innocent people will end up copping it somewhere down the line. It's inevitable. And it is exactly the same thing as saying one person is 'more guilty' than someone else convicted of exactly the same crime. At least in my view anyway. If we disagree, we disagree...

[ssyx]

... But where guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt, for example, in the case of Ian Huntley who murdered the two little girls in Soham, the death penalty would not be a miscarriage of justice.



There are people who would disagree with this statement.
I can't remember the site, but a guy puts forward his theory that US servicemen possibly carried out these crimes Huntley was found guilty of.


I am against the death penalty incidentally.
Sanctioned murder is still murder I think.

My quote from Ghandi says it all :)

[sexi_co]

Can anyone put forward a reason why the, words defy me, who battered this old timer to death should not be executed?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207139/Pensioner-battered-death-bus-stop-broad-daylight--asking-thug-feet.html

I f**kin hate these cocky little pricks!!!! They make me so angry!
No, i do not think he should be put to death, on the basis that, that is an easy way out. Life in a sweaty prison surrounded by fellow 'hard men' should show him he's really just a cocky little bitch that should have kept his pikey little mouth shut.

AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! Man it makes me so damn angry!
That poor guys devastated family will NEVER be the same again and for what? Cuz that little shit thought he was hard. No, throw him inside with real tough fellas that will bitch slap the little runt for the rest of his days.

:mad:

[simmo]

I'd (and will) take more pleasure in knowing he'll be gang raped, repeatedly, for years to come instead of simply dying, that's the easy way out.

[kanz]

I'd (and will) take more pleasure in knowing he'll be gang raped, repeatedly, for years to come instead of simply dying, that's the easy way out.

lol..

[rydeon]

It doesn't make any moral or logical sense for us to punish someone for the crime of murder by committing that crime ourselves?

Yes it does if you consider that the person who commits such a henious and terrible act is no longer as human as us and has destroyed themselves from within anyway. The person you are ridding the world of is beyond the pale.

Therefore there is no question of us being lowered to their level because they fell off the level and deserve no compassion or mercy.

[nectars]

Can anyone put forward a reason why the, words defy me, who battered this old timer to death should not be executed?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207139/Pensioner-battered-death-bus-stop-broad-daylight--asking-thug-feet.html

Murder is murder regardless of the reason or perpetrator.

[deadskinball]

In open and shut cases such as this, the death sentence should be given.

The guy is a loose cannon.

Who would want to be in the company of this person? You'd fear for your own life if you said anything to argrivate him.

Two options:

Life in prison = tax payer burden, possibly being released and reoffending.

Death = opposit to above and also a safer community with these types removed from the picture.

...and death penalty sends a message loud and clear:

An eye for an eye.

[deadskinball]

he'll be gang raped, repeatedly

He is a pretty little boy and bubba is licking his lips. I am quite sure that the little scumbag is practically shittin'brix of the prospect of years in the slammer getting slammed.

(oh btw: no, I'm not like that if you all are wondering. kthx)

[octopusrex]

Who are we to decide who lives and who dies!?:mad:

[kanz]

Murder is murder regardless of the reason or perpetrator.

Murder is murder , but i hope you can understand there is a time and place for it , no matter how odd or wrong that sounds , sometimes it would be right. Tho those situations would be a whole topic within it self.

[kanz]

In open and shut cases such as this, the death sentence should be given.

The guy is a loose cannon.

Who would want to be in the company of this person? You'd fear for your own life if you said anything to argrivate him.

Two options:

Life in prison = tax payer burden, possibly being released and reoffending.

Death = opposit to above and also a safer community with these types removed from the picture.

...and death penalty sends a message loud and clear:

An eye for an eye.

Ok well after we give the government the right to kill these people , where does it end? , what if they decide questioning the truth was enough to get you death?.
Well you get what i mean. You have to watch the power you give these people they will take it and run with it and it will never be good for us.

[beldazar]

Oh gawd knows! No, I wouldnt agree he should be killed but if that was my granddad I wouldnt be able to restrain myself. Is that a problem with me?

[ibaster]

Oh gawd knows! No, I wouldnt agree he should be killed but if that was my granddad I wouldnt be able to restrain myself. Is that a problem with me?

There is a difference between how you act in the heat of the moment and execution by the state after the fact.

The death penalty is so very flawed. The justice system is flawed too which means that even if you have the death penalty then you still have a lot of mistakes being made.

I would be angry too but I would like to think that if the heat of the moment passed that I would not be asking for death. I think it would take from my soul.

The death penalty does not work to deter crime. If anything it seems to increase crime. The system needs fixing but I don`t think death squads or death sentences do anything good for the community as a whole.

[redskywalker]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4bBff9aBRw

All that eye furry I stuff is double speak. We KNOW two wrongs don't make a right. Murder is wrong, yes? We do agree. Think about the one put forward to weild the axe, press the button, drop the lever etc., it's asking way too much.

[ibaster]

I'd (and will) take more pleasure in knowing he'll be gang raped, repeatedly, for years to come instead of simply dying, that's the easy way out.

What does it say about you that you would take pleasure from gang rape?

[ibaster]

Yes it does if you consider that the person who commits such a henious and terrible act is no longer as human as us and has destroyed themselves from within anyway. The person you are ridding the world of is beyond the pale.

Therefore there is no question of us being lowered to their level because they fell off the level and deserve no compassion or mercy.

By your own logic once you kill the killer you are destroying yourself.

[redskywalker]

Ok well after we give the government the right to kill these people , where does it end? , what if they decide questioning the truth was enough to get you death?.
Well you get what i mean. You have to watch the power you give these people they will take it and run with it and it will never be good for us.

Absolutely brilliant point.

[beldazar]

There is a difference between how you act in the heat of the moment and execution by the state after the fact.

The death penalty is so very flawed. The justice system is flawed too which means that even if you have the death penalty then you still have a lot of mistakes being made.

I would be angry too but I would like to think that if the heat of the moment passed that I would not be asking for death. I think it would take from my soul.

The death penalty does not work to deter crime. If anything it seems to increase crime. The system needs fixing but I don`t think death squads or death sentences do anything good for the community as a whole.

Yes I agree with you. After all, the killer is also someone's son.
I noticed that a poster mentioned Ian Huntley, there is a thread on here somewhere going into that.

I also believe possession is real, not in the term of a living entity occupying the body but through mind-control, chemicals and brain waves.

I fell out with a fellow 'truthseeker' the other day as he endorses capital punishment which I found rather surprising (or is that corporal, I dont know the difference :o)

[beldazar]

What does it say about you that you would take pleasure from gang rape?

Simmo is just reacting like I would feel like reacting which is why I asked if there is something wrong with 'me', which there is...my reptilian brain kicking into action with rage.

Its something we all need to do, kick it to the kerb (in a non-violent way ;))

[ibaster]

I understand the anger and violent thoughts that such crimes bring out in people but gaining pleasure from the thought of any sort of torture just makes me sick to my stomach.

[deem]

I think they should only keep the execution option open for when the criminal elite and their puppet polititians finaly get tried for their crimes of genocide and war against humanity. I'll happily pull the switch.:D

[deadskinball]

...so many bleeding hearts.

One can talk about trying not giving enough power to the justice system and then on the other hand complain that the system isn't harsh enough on criminals.

I wonder what people would be thinking if the scumbag killed a kid in cold blood or torture to death a boxfull of kittens.


The very reason living standards are going down the shitter in certain countries is due to the very lenient criminal courts which trying to appease the victims but at the same time not make it too harsh on the crim.

Bleedin' hearts are to blame for this fucked up situation.

.

Enjoy sharing your streets with criminals who get a slap on the wrist (and don't learn) or who have a revolving door to juvenile detention with playstations because of a few idiots in power. Punishment should be severe and similar to the crime otherwise you'll have a society break down into constant living in fear of the general populace.

...just like it is, thanks fucking bleedin' hearts.

[beldazar]

I understand the anger and violent thoughts that such crimes bring out in people but gaining pleasure from the thought of any sort of torture just makes me sick to my stomach.

hmm...yes I know, I had the very same incident on the thread about baby p and someone saying what they would like to happen to the child's mum :(
some people say things they dont really mean.

[beldazar]

...so many bleeding hearts.

One can talk about trying not giving enough power to the justice system and then on the other hand complain that the system isn't harsh enough on criminals.

I wonder what people would be thinking if the scumbag killed a kid in cold blood or torture to death a boxfull of kittens.


The very reason living standards are going down the shitter in certain countries is due to the very lenient criminal courts which trying to appease the victims but at the same time not make it too harsh on the crim.

Bleedin' hearts are to blame for this fucked up situation.

.

Enjoy sharing your streets with criminals who get a slap on the wrist (and don't learn) or who have a revolving door to juvenile detention with playstations because of a few idiots in power. Punishment should be severe and similar to the crime otherwise you'll have a society break down into constant living in fear of the general populace.

...just like it is, thanks fucking bleedin' hearts.

Do you REALLY THINK that executing people are going to stop people murdering each other? Do you think for ONE SECOND that the guy who murdered the old boy could actually handle the rage he flew into when he carried out the attack?
I dont think for an instant that he thought of any consequences or even cared if he did!

[ibaster]

.

...just like it is, thanks fucking bleedin' hearts.

Perhaps you should blame the system rather than those that try not to become as bad as the system. The system needs to focus on education and we need stable community for people to live in. If you alienate people and treat them like animals then they will act like animals. If you kick a dog it will bite you eventually.

Crime is a symptom of the actual problem and you can`t cure the problem by treating the symptom.

[deadskinball]

Do you REALLY THINK that executing people are going to stop people murdering each other?

Do you REALLY THINK someone is going to kill someone if they know that there are harsh penalties?

But not just harsh for murder. Make it harsh accross the board.

If this ever happens, a civilised society will return where children can play in the street, where parents need not worry if there is a pedophile living next door or a 'rehabilitated' criminal is selling drugs on the street corner.

I guess you are young since the only life you know of is one living in constant fear.

...and by that, they have already won.

you get an "F".

F for fail. F for fear. F for fool.

[deadskinball]

Perhaps you should blame the system rather than those that try not to become as bad as the system.

ahahaha

And how did this current system come about?


You really didn't think about your post, did you?

[beldazar]

Do you REALLY THINK someone is going to kill someone if they know that there are harsh penalties?

But not just harsh for murder. Make it harsh accross the board.

If this ever happens, a civilised society will return where children can play in the street, where parents need not worry if there is a pedophile living next door or a 'rehabilitated' criminal is selling drugs on the street corner.

I guess you are young since the only life you know of is one living in constant fear.

...and by that, they have already won.

you get an "F".

F for fail. F for fear. F for fool.


yeah right! Its you that seems a little on the young side, not had enough time for contemplating :rolleyes:

Your attitude isnt exactly a very nice one......I certainly dont live in constant fear, wherever did you get that from?

[illuminumnuts]

Do you REALLY THINK someone is going to kill someone if they know that there are harsh penalties?

Do you think that most of the people killing are doing much thinking in the first place? There have been studies done that show the death penalty is no deterrent. And I reiterate, innocent people will always end up copping it no matter how you work it. Makes the death penalty debate pretty pointless to me and i'm surprised that the pro side can't admit that. Can you imagine being frogmarched to the chair when you have done absolutely nothing wrong? God knows how many times that must have happened. Very, very sick.

[deadskinball]

Your attitude isnt exactly a very nice one

I guess you think I must be a product of the current system = undisciplined and obnoxious perhaps?.

In Australia, I was born in a time where things were quite ok, but there was a definitie trend of something changing. I'm 34.

The world is shit.

If you don't agree with that last bit, then maybe you will agree once you happen to be on the receiving end of something very bad and then feel disgust when, as a victim, you get treated worse than the criminal by the very system designed protect the civilised person. Once you have your eyes open to how it really works and experience first hand, then and only then will the rose coloured glasses come off and you'll see the world as it really is.

Nothing more to say to you.

[ibaster]

ahahaha

And how did this current system come about?


You really didn't think about your post, did you?


You think the current system came about from the lack of deaths?

[beldazar]

I guess you think I must be a product of the current system = undisciplined and obnoxious perhaps?.

In Australia, I was born in a time where things were quite ok, but there was a definitie trend of something changing. I'm 34.

The world is shit.

If you don't agree with that last bit, then maybe you will agree once you happen to be on the receiving end of something very bad and then feel disgust when, as a victim, you get treated worse than the criminal by the very system designed protect the civilised person. Once you have your eyes open to how it really works and experience first hand, then and only then will the rose coloured glasses come off and you'll see the world as it really is.

Nothing more to say to you.

Im 43 as it happens :)

I would be quite happy for you not to have anything else to say to me, thanks!

[deadskinball]

Do you think that most of the people killing are doing much thinking in the first place?

So, a danger to society?

Unfortunately an action must be performed to make it known. In this case (and many others) there is no question about cold blooded murder. No system is ever 100% garenteed to work and to even think it will be 100% is wrong, so there will be a few that fall through the gaps as known through the media in the US where death row inmates were cleared and become famous stories on the news.

What was the decider?

DNA evidence, I'd wager. It can work both ways. If its undeniabily linked to a person that they commited the crime, then nothing will change that outcome of there expected punishment. As this case within this thread, DNA isn't need to make a guilty verdict stick.

[illuminumnuts]

As this case within this thread, DNA isn't need to make a guilty verdict stick.

If you stop and think you'll realise that no matter how you work it innocent people will die eventually in a death penalty state. It is totally unacceptable. I'm sorry you have suffered peronally. Maybe this story might make you think again. It is about the parents of a 16 year old kid that got stabbed calling for peace and an end to anger and revenge.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2346963/Jimmy-Mizens-parents-This-anger-must-stop.html

[deadskinball]

If you stop and think you'll realise that no matter how you work it innocent people will die eventually in a death penalty state. It is totally unacceptable. I'm sorry you have suffered peronally. Maybe this story might make you think again. It is about the parents of a 16 year old kid that got stabbed calling for peace and an end to anger and revenge.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2346963/Jimmy-Mizens-parents-This-anger-must-stop.html

"jailed for life"

...meaning he will be out in 8 and the victim's family will always have a life sentence.

You want to try me with some of your bleedin' heart stuff again?


Eye for an eye is the only way it should be. I won't go into what the family most probably thinks since it may be racist and/or they are trying to diffuse the situation because of retaliation/threats. No one ever thinks like those parents unless they have a very good reason to. Just think about this scenario for a second. You honestly think that you can just shrug of the life of your own child becuase its the PC thing to do?

hahaha...no.

[illuminumnuts]

"jailed for life"

...meaning he will be out in 8 and the victim's family will always have a life sentence.

You want to try me with some of your bleedin' heart stuff again?


Eye for an eye is the only way it should be. I won't go into what the family most probably thinks since it may be racist and/or they are trying to diffuse the situation because of retaliation/threats. No one ever thinks like those parents unless they have a very good reason to. Just think about this scenario for a second. You honestly think that you can just shrug of the life of your own child becuase its the PC thing to do?

hahaha...no.

Maybe they are just caring and enlightened people. I don't think political correctness has entered their heads for a second. They spoke their minds. In fact, their view is probably the opposite of politically correct. It would be politically correct for them to say they should be never let be out, they were evil and that they hated them. That's the usual spiel from the victims, which I do of course understand. It took bags of courage to take the stance they did, not intimidation.

[jolinemaria]

No baby in its cradle ever thought: 'when I grow up I want to be a murderer'
No, they emanate love, they want to give, to share...
So, something went wrong with these lads. They must have been deprived of love for stopping to see other humans as humans. A bit of programming added by television and computer games and there you have your killers. And mind you it is not the responsibility of one individual. These dark thought of killing, rape and torture are part of the collective consciousness. All who do not emanate the frequency of love a co-responsible for this. These poor dudes where -for one reason or another- just sitting ducks with no love frequencies around to safeguard them. Better then punish them sent them your love and yes, of course they should be locked up and re-educated until they understand what they have done. Once they understand I tell you that will be punishment enough! And the poor family will be satisfied too, for if these lads turn around and become loving members of humanity and teaching the likes of them then the death of their loved one will at least have had some sense -which of course it hasnt if these lads are simply killed.

[illuminumnuts]

No baby in its cradle ever thought: 'when I grow up I want to be a murderer'
No, they emanate love, they want to give, to share...
So, something went wrong with these lads. They must have been deprived of love for stopping to see other humans as humans. A bit of programming added by television and computer games and there you have your killers. And mind you it is not the responsibility of one individual. These dark thought of killing, rape and torture are part of the collective consciousness. All who do not emanate the frequency of love a co-responsible for this. These poor dudes where -for one reason or another- just sitting ducks with no love frequencies around to safeguard them. Better then punish them sent them your love and yes, of course they should be locked up and re-educated until they understand what they have done. Once they understand I tell you that will be punishment enough! And the poor family will be satisfied too, for if these lads turn around and become loving members of humanity and teaching the likes of them then the death of their loved one will at least have had some sense -which of course it hasnt if these lads are simply killed.

Well said.

[beldazar]

Maybe they are just caring and enlightened people. I don't think political correctness has entered their heads for a second. They spoke their minds. In fact, their view is probably the opposite of politically correct. It would be politically correct for them to say they should be never let be out, they were evil and that they hated them. That's the usual spiel from the victims, which I do of course understand. It took bags of courage to take the stance they did, not intimidation.

I quite agree. I was a fan of 'reality' shows (:o) and I remember a time where a parent had his child murdered and talked of forgiveness for the murderer.
Stories like this put my faith back into the human race.

Yes Joliemarina, well said! :)