I need to start lucid dreaming

[fairyelfdog]

It really is true that most of our programming happens in our sleep: when all our defences are down and the subconscious mind is open to anything. Things happen to me when I sleep that I have no control over and I have a strong feeling so much of the solution for me will be if I can be conscious in my dreams. I am sure I am among friends when I say that I will do anything to be rid of my "victim-mentality". I need to. My life has not been different to most peoples still it happens way too often that I get dragged down. So...
where do I start? Do you have any tips? Is there a book I can read?

Hugs to you

Kara

[yjoyin]

Did you find this FED ;) ?

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html

Lucid hugs,
mundo

[mila]

Hi Kara,

I know what you mean...

I'm reading this book myself:
"Exploring the world of lucid dreaming" Stephen LaBerge/Howard Rheingold

and this is a good website with suggestions I've never heared before
(still difficult though, but worth the try)

http://www.lucidology.com/

And the youtube videos of this site:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E3E88DE0B45599E3&search_query=lucidology

I found them very interesting and refreshing!

Good luck and sweet lucid dreams :D

Much love,

mila

[fairyelfdog]

Thank you yjoying and Mila. That link you sent me was very useful, mila. I will get a timer somehow.

Hugs

Kara

[mila]

Hi Kara,

Yeh, good info there.

The thing is....
The idea that I have to force myself to wake up at 4.00 in the morning to start a lucid dream doesn't really make me jump for joy....

:D

Useful ideas though. My problem is that I wake up when the fun starts :mad:

[fairyelfdog]

Hihi, yes I see your point. Try five or six? I think the most important thing is that you do it in the morning and not when your body is shutting down.

You wake up when the fun starts? What is it that usually wakes you up? Is it something in specific?

[mila]

Hihi, yes I see your point. Try five or six? I think the most important thing is that you do it in the morning and not when your body is shutting down.

You wake up when the fun starts? What is it that usually wakes you up? Is it something in specific?

Yes, I had a similar situation twice.
I dream about my deceased grandmother who I was very close to.
It's a lucid dream, I know that I'm dreaming and I decide to ask her questions. She says that she has come to me in a dream from the other realm.
(she actually says it like that!)
Then I ask her: tell me how it is there
and then she starts: I will tell you and THEN I wake up
:eek::mad:
Happened twice now. Damn. My uncle had the same situation with his deceased twinbrother. Maybe our programmed minds can't cope with the information? (yet)
Frustrating!

[fairyelfdog]

Yes, I had a similar situation twice.
I dream about my deceased grandmother who I was very close to.
It's a lucid dream, I know that I'm dreaming and I decide to ask her questions. She says that she has come to me in a dream from the other realm.
(she actually says it like that!)
Then I ask her: tell me how it is there
and then she starts: I will tell you and THEN I wake up
:eek::mad:
Happened twice now. Damn. My uncle had the same situation with his deceased twinbrother. Maybe our programmed minds can't cope with the information? (yet)
Frustrating!

Merde... here is a thought. Why don't you take your grandmothers hand and hold on to it the next time she appears. Maybe that will hold you in the dream? Just a suggestion.

[dmt head]

Drinking ilex guyasa worked for me one night, and thats what its used for, you drink it in the morning then your supposed to lucid dream that night.

Ive only became lucid a few times and its usually when things have been attacking me in my dreams. One time I realised this and the attacker totally shit himself and everything went really psychedelic like dmt when I realised, it was so weird. I then picked him up and threw him at another of the attackers a friend told me as punishment for failing he would have his head chopped off in the realm he came from! :eek:

Focuisng/meditating before you lie down helped me when I was being attacked, saying to myself its my dream and im in control.

Datura inoxia seeds at low doses are said to help greatly with lucid dreaming, ive not tried this yet, will do though at some point.

[dmt head]

Yes, I had a similar situation twice.
I dream about my deceased grandmother who I was very close to.
It's a lucid dream, I know that I'm dreaming and I decide to ask her questions. She says that she has come to me in a dream from the other realm.
(she actually says it like that!)
Then I ask her: tell me how it is there
and then she starts: I will tell you and THEN I wake up
:eek::mad:
Happened twice now. Damn. My uncle had the same situation with his deceased twinbrother. Maybe our programmed minds can't cope with the information? (yet)
Frustrating!

That always happens to me in dreams, I remember this dream I had and this leader of this rock band who was playing at this festival was talking to me about dmt and love and I kept going to her, remind me because ill forget and she kept saying ill tell you but it doesnt matter because your going to forget anyway, was a really long winded dream but I wont go into it, can still remember everything about it, except what she said I wouldnt lol

[fairyelfdog]

I don't have access to drugs even in mild form. What are these things you are talking about and are they legal? Legal is a sick bird, I know ;) it's just that it would be very difficult for me to get something like that if not.

[mila]

Merde... here is a thought. Why don't you take your grandmothers hand and hold on to it the next time she appears. Maybe that will hold you in the dream? Just a suggestion.

That may work, thanks for the idea, I will try to remember that :)
"Gran, I won't leave till I get an answer" :D

[fairyelfdog]

That may work, thanks for the idea, I will try to remember that :)
"Gran, I won't leave till I get an answer" :D

Grin :D Good luck!

[dmt head]

I don't have access to drugs even in mild form. What are these things you are talking about and are they legal? Legal is a sick bird, I know ;) it's just that it would be very difficult for me to get something like that if not.

Yes they are legal, type in ethnobotanical vendors in google and you shoul;d find them, check here. www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com

Ilex guyasa is just a tea from guatamala, quite weird taste but you get used to it.

They dont sell datura though, at high doses its very dangerous.

[fairyelfdog]

Thanks, you! I'll bookmark it. I'll try with just the methods first but if that doesn't work I'll add the tea.

[marpat]

It really is true that most of our programming happens in our sleep: when all our defences are down and the subconscious mind is open to anything. Things happen to me when I sleep that I have no control over and I have a strong feeling so much of the solution for me will be if I can be conscious in my dreams. I am sure I am among friends when I say that I will do anything to be rid of my "victim-mentality". I need to. My life has not been different to most peoples still it happens way too often that I get dragged down. So...
where do I start? Do you have any tips? Is there a book I can read?

Hugs to you

Kara

Lucid dreaming is not simple to do. I have had a few and they are generally accidental and they dont tend to last that long either.

Personally I think claims that you get programmed while asleep are nothing but fear mongering. Who said your defences are down during sleep? there is such a thing as psychic protection as well. Often dreams will reveal any incursion into your mind. I have had dreams in the past where I encounter negative energies and managed to banish them purely through knowing banishing rituals off by heart. You dont need to be constantly conscious. during sleep the conscious mind steps aside and you can tap into deeper levels of awareness so if you dont allow that to happen you are cutting yourself off from the deeper mind.

[fairyelfdog]

Lucid dreaming is not simple to do. I have had a few and they are generally accidental and they dont tend to last that long either.

Personally I think claims that you get programmed while asleep are nothing but fear mongering. Who said your defences are down during sleep? there is such a thing as psychic protection as well. Often dreams will reveal any incursion into your mind. I have had dreams in the past where I encounter negative energies and managed to banish them purely through knowing banishing rituals off by heart. You dont need to be constantly conscious. during sleep the conscious mind steps aside and you can tap into deeper levels of awareness so if you dont allow that to happen you are cutting yourself off from the deeper mind.

Wrong wrong wrong and wrong. You don't even understand exactly what I mean by programmed so don't dismiss what I'm saying. Besides what we all need to do is to get conscious on all levels and I certainly don't need any daft rituals. Ritualistic behaviour comes from the reptilian brain. And you know what? I had one! On first attempt!

It was an OBE. I have never experienced anything like this before. It was short but felt oh so real. I noticed my mother standing in th other room. I understood my body was asleep and I got up and flew in her direction. Then I went through a wall of wardrobes... sort of and into a square tunnel. Everything was grey. Then I got so excited I returned and woke up a bit. I couldn't do it again tonight but for first real attempt, thats not bad. If you think this is difficult have a look at www.lucidology.com . That boy knows what he is talking about. Thanks for the link, Mila!

[noewhan]

Whenever I have a lucid dream I write them down. One day I'm going to animate them all, and maybe make a film which connects them all.
I've herd form theories about dreams... One of them suggests that dreams means the opposite of what is going to happen. It's kinda like your mind getting over something.
Scientists do not know much about the mind, and are learning new things all the time.
Religion & spiritual teachings can be helpful, but I'd be weary of the mainstream / fundamentalists. Although some would say that religion is much different than spiritualism, and shouldn't be related to one another.

[fairyelfdog]

Thank you noewhan. Don't worry, I would never associate myself with a religious system. I also perfectly understand the limits of and purpose with modern "psychology".

[godgoo]

It really is true that most of our programming happens in our sleep: when all our defences are down and the subconscious mind is open to anything. Things happen to me when I sleep that I have no control over and I have a strong feeling so much of the solution for me will be if I can be conscious in my dreams. I am sure I am among friends when I say that I will do anything to be rid of my "victim-mentality". I need to. My life has not been different to most peoples still it happens way too often that I get dragged down. So...
where do I start? Do you have any tips? Is there a book I can read?

Hugs to you

Kara
Sleep some and sleep some more, the only way I have found to lucid dream, is to sleep past your quota in a night. Pull an all nighter, go aslong as possible then sleep, sleep. Usually the best way to lucid dream is to get your quota in and some more before the light comes, then you will happily drift between conscious dreaming and awake to full asleep :) I have many dreams lately, and this is what pattern I was in :)

[fairyelfdog]

Sleep some and sleep some more, the only way I have found to lucid dream, is to sleep past your quota in a night. Pull an all nighter, go aslong as possible then sleep, sleep. Usually the best way to lucid dream is to get your quota in and some more before the light comes, then you will happily drift between conscious dreaming and awake to full asleep :) I have many dreams lately, and this is what pattern I was in :)

Thanks, godgoo. I can live with that! ;)

[godgoo]

You really want to be waking up without aid, for about 4:AM and go straight back to sleep. And have scary/happy dreams. The last dream I had was due to someones avy on this board the one with the huge doglike creature preying on it's victim, unfortunately I had a dream that included three of these :( Not a good one. I finally got it in the end, if it wasnt for german sheppered getting eaten and several people being torn apart I wouldn't have got past number two, not nice. But All in all a funky dream. Loads of blood though and I have never been as scared, I kept dreaming for a gun but I didn't get one. Alls I got was a spanner.

[whiterain]

wow i had an amazing one last night. it seems like almost every dream these days just gets better, clearer and more lucid. i managed to see my hands in clear lucidity i think for the first time. i only really managed this because i was flying with my arms straight out in front. they didnt warp psychadelically like i kind of expected but were just a bit more pixelated than waking life.

also whenever i had trouble flying or went too low, rather than struggle to fly back up i would just kind of concentrate then blink and as soon as i opened my eyes again i was as high as i needed. also despite the majority of the dream being positive, it was the 2nd time ive had a really clear spraying/chemtrail dream although luckily it was brief and uneventful. also a bit of brief fox watching with the arch bishop of canterbury!? who just happened to be our local vicar. seemed like a nice enough bloke :D

also found out that the local river i often fly/swim along in dreams was originally called the river ley (lea), although i have no idea what this may mean in terms of leylines

[whiterain]

You really want to be waking up without aid, for about 4:AM and go straight back to sleep. And have scary/happy dreams. The last dream I had was due to someones avy on this board the one with the huge doglike creature preying on it's victim, unfortunately I had a dream that included three of these :( Not a good one. I finally got it in the end, if it wasnt for german sheppered getting eaten and several people being torn apart I wouldn't have got past number two, not nice. But All in all a funky dream. Loads of blood though and I have never been as scared, I kept dreaming for a gun but I didn't get one. Alls I got was a spanner.

oo nasty. i watched the howling before bed last weekend. i just knew it was gonna get into my head and sure enough there i was in the local park, climbing the swings trying to shake the wolves off. even those dreams are not really scary these days though. its almost like even when i am not fully lucid, i still have an underlying knowing that its just a dream and i cant be hurt


ps. fairy elf dog. the common house garden plant coleus is said to help with lucid dreaming altough ive not tried it yet. growing some at the moment. funny thing is i had loads in my room as a kid

http://www.erowid.org/plants/coleus/coleus.shtml

reality checks seem to be the most helpful thing though. just little things like tapping a surface to make sure its real. once you get a habit, you will do this in dreams. i had a common one last night where i had to get across some train tracks so i just kind of lifted my legs up and floated across and suddenly went "oh yeah it must be a dream again, thatl be why im following the arch bishop" ;) so from now on im gonna try and do the occasional jump as a reality check, because the time when you dont come down is the simplest way to gain lucidity ive experienced

[godgoo]

oo nasty. i watched the howling before bed last weekend. i just knew it was gonna get into my head and sure enough there i was in the local park, climbing the swings trying to shake the wolves off. even those dreams are not really scary these days though. its almost like even when i am not fully lucid, i still have an underlying knowing that its just a dream and i cant be hurtI can relate to that the wolf and werewolves consumed most of my dreams when I was young, but rarely do these days, apart from this time. Usually I have very good dreams that are just bizarre and I wake up feeling impressed by the funky matter and the detail. I had an excellent dream once after watching pitchblack. The best dream I have ever had :)

[godgoo]

reality checks seem to be the most helpful thing though. just little things like tapping a surface to make sure its real. once you get a habitI always know when I lucid dream, it's when I have one of those harsh reality dreams that is scary. but if I do have a bad one even If I am in control, like dreaming for a gun to kill the gorgons or whatever I still get scared, coz you can still feel things like surfaces and breezes.

I have also found something out just recently which I didn't know I could do. I was playing a computer game a modern one and I could smell the leafs, also I wathced a program about gorillas and then I could smell the leafs. And I have found this recently when I have been able to smell cooking on TV, and such strange things ? Also I have suffered from sleep disposia or somethign for a short while where I was trapped in a waking dream, very scary. This usually happens in summer, when I get too hot.

[suicidal_martyr]

It really is true that most of our programming happens in our sleep: when all our defences are down and the subconscious mind is open to anything. Things happen to me when I sleep that I have no control over and I have a strong feeling so much of the solution for me will be if I can be conscious in my dreams. I am sure I am among friends when I say that I will do anything to be rid of my "victim-mentality". I need to. My life has not been different to most peoples still it happens way too often that I get dragged down. So...
where do I start? Do you have any tips? Is there a book I can read?

Hugs to you

Kara

Go to sleep but keep mind awake while repeating in your mind, "I am going to be aware of my dream", you will find yourself aware during the dream. If it doesn't work the first time just keep trying night after night. It's hard to stay in the dream once you are aware for some reason. I gave up long because it makes me mad when I wake up against my will. Another way is just keep mind awake and alert while going to sleep and eventually images will start popping in and out of your head. Keep mind awake and alert of what is going on and eventually the image will stick and you can move around in it. I enjoyed flying but hate waking up when I am not ready!!

[marpat]

Wrong wrong wrong and wrong. You don't even understand exactly what I mean by programmed so don't dismiss what I'm saying. Besides what we all need to do is to get conscious on all levels and I certainly don't need any daft rituals. Ritualistic behaviour comes from the reptilian brain. And you know what? I had one! On first attempt!

It was an OBE. I have never experienced anything like this before. It was short but felt oh so real. I noticed my mother standing in th other room. I understood my body was asleep and I got up and flew in her direction. Then I went through a wall of wardrobes... sort of and into a square tunnel. Everything was grey. Then I got so excited I returned and woke up a bit. I couldn't do it again tonight but for first real attempt, thats not bad. If you think this is difficult have a look at www.lucidology.com . That boy knows what he is talking about. Thanks for the link, Mila!

Well obviously my own experience is not good enough for you to hear. Having had lucid dreams, etc. I do not need to read about somebody else having them in order to know what they are about.

Who was talking about doing rituals and why are rituals daft? I am sure all the worlds shamen would also wonder why you consider rituals to be daft. I think you have been misinformed about what ritual is. It is used to enable the mind to access the mind in a controlled manner, to get beyond the ego by relating to subtle forces by use of forms, acts and images.

[jp13]

I always know when I lucid dream, it's when I have one of those harsh reality dreams that is scary. but if I do have a bad one even If I am in control, like dreaming for a gun to kill the gorgons or whatever I still get scared, coz you can still feel things like surfaces and breezes.

I have also found something out just recently which I didn't know I could do. I was playing a computer game a modern one and I could smell the leafs, also I wathced a program about gorillas and then I could smell the leafs. And I have found this recently when I have been able to smell cooking on TV, and such strange things ? Also I have suffered from sleep disposia or somethign for a short while where I was trapped in a waking dream, very scary. This usually happens in summer, when I get too hot.

There is a name for these kind of phenomenon i.e. smelling colours, seeing sounds etc. It's galled synasthesia.
I have not had a lucid dream ffor a good few years now, I think when I used to have them, they were quite funny i.e. I remember seeing 2 beenie hats on the floor and I knew I was awake, so I made them disappear by sort of rubbing them out with my fingers.
I wouldn't knock ritual, it can save your ass big time, it's not always warm and fluffy and nice (and you know it) when you are experimenting with these levels of consciousness, much of it comes from our deeper selves, and how we access and relate to them.
I found that as long as I didn't stare or look at something, but more or less viewed it in my peripheral vision, then it would stay there, but if I concetrated on anything, my waking consciousness would start trying to explain things and Bang! I would be awake again, in my body.

[loderlive]

Whenever I have a lucid dream I write them down.

wow i had an amazing one last night

I am always having a Lucid Dream is amazing.

[whiterain]

I am always having a Lucid Dream is amazing.

no need to gloat short shorts :p

[loderlive]

no need to gloat short shorts :p

LoL whiterain.

[Ian2day]

One way to lucid dream is to wake up after 5 hours. Eat something and then go back to sleep about an hour later. When awake read up on the subject you want to dream about. If you watch films then the images in the dreams will be based on what you have viewed.

[danster82]

I went through a few nights some months back where I kept complete consiousness control in dream state, this was not astral travel which I have also done it was diffrent as it was dreaming but I knew I was dreaming and its an extremly fine line to tread to keep that consious awarness because of the very nature that when you dream it is REAL from the dream perspective so this is precisley why its hard to explain because how can you keep conscious awarness and still beleive it to be real if you knew you were sleeping? Anyway thats exactly what was happening and therefore I could wake up AT WILL very odd experience and the thing that really struck me was not the consious awareness of dreams but the awarness that this reality is a dream because there really is no diffrence you just need to beleive its real.

It actually started to scare me at a point because I wanted to fall into dreamless sleep but was unable to for many nights and was just stuck in this border between dreaming and awake for weeks I thought I would I die from lack of sleep.

[fairyelfdog]

Thank you for your comments, stories and advice everyone. I do read it so keep it up. It's fascinating.

Danster you lucky lucky person. I would never have wanted it to go away. Ever.

the thing that really struck me was not the consious awareness of dreams but the awarness that this reality is a dream because there really is no diffrence you just need to beleive its real.

Now this seems vaguely familiar somehow... ehm hummm.... where have I heard it... No. No, I just can't remember, Not really something I ever think about often really... ;) :D

David Icke.com - exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real

[mountain]

It really is true that most of our programming happens in our sleep: when all our defences are down and the subconscious mind is open to anything. Things happen to me when I sleep that I have no control over and I have a strong feeling so much of the solution for me will be if I can be conscious in my dreams. I am sure I am among friends when I say that I will do anything to be rid of my "victim-mentality". I need to. My life has not been different to most peoples still it happens way too often that I get dragged down. So...
where do I start? Do you have any tips? Is there a book I can read?

Hugs to you

Kara

Hey Fairy, try my blog in my signature for my own personal tips to lucid dreaming and astral traveling which is dedicated to that. Hope it helps! :)

[whiterain]

hi mountain just checked the blog, cheers. im another fan of the orchestral versions of the final fantasy tunes. great game, great music