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coco
17-08-2009, 02:32 PM
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2009/08/dealers-pulling-out-of-clunker-program.html

Saturday, August 15, 2009
Dealers Souring on Clunker Program--> Government Not Paying on Time

This is the same government that wants to take over your health care. Many auto dealers are getting upset that the government is being very slow paying them back the money they laid out for the Cash for Clunkers program.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is reporting that some dealerships are owed more than $100,000 resulting in difficulty making payroll:

It [Cash for Clunkers] has generated the most showroom traffic they have had in months while at the same time heaping unease, frustration and worry onto the industry's worst-ever downturn.

As of the close of business Friday, there was talk in the industry that some dealers are considering pulling out of the clunkers program altogether.

"A number of dealers have floated $100,000 to upwards of $1 million or more" on the clunkers program, said Bill Sepic, president of the Wisconsin Automobile & Truck Dealers Association.

Dealers say they want to see at least some sign that they will be able to recoup that money. Still others need the money to pay bills and meet payroll.

"This is not a Wisconsin problem," Sepic added. "This is going on across the country.

"We are hearing some dealers who are either strongly considering or have stopped participating in the program. Right now, the dealers are feeling very vulnerable."

The Government promised quick turn around but is not following through:

They rolled the program out and told us we'd get paid in 10 days. It's been three weeks," said Jim Griffin, who owns dealerships in Milwaukee, Waukesha and Menomonee Falls.

His dealerships have 80 pending clunkers deals. The Griffin locations had been paid for four as of Friday, he said.

The Schlossmann Automotive Group has 120 pending clunkers deals at its Honda store in Milwaukee.

"We've received no payment whatsoever," said co-owner Brad Schlossmann.

Showroom traffic is still brisk, Griffin and Schlossmann said, and there continues to be significant interest in the clunkers program among consumers.

Their dealerships will continue to make clunkers deals, they said. "We're not taking our foot off the gas right now," Griffin said.

But concern is growing as each day passes that they aren't paid for pending deals.

"We need that money to pay our rent, to pay our light bill, pay our people," Griffin said.

Russ Darrow, chief executive of the Russ Darrow Group of 15 dealerships in southern Wisconsin, said his company has done more than 400 clunkers deals and has been paid for only a few of them.

Darrow is continuing to make clunker deals, he said, adding he's confident that the government rebate payments will be forthcoming.

At Sommer's Automotive in Mequon, four of its 50 pending clunkers agreements have been approved, said Howard Gleason, general manager.

Dealers said they do not want to discourage consumers from participating in the program, just that they would like to see the administration of the program streamlined.

The poor running of the Cash for Clunkers program is more evidence that the government should not be allowed to operate the Health Care, Energy or any other industry. The next government-run program that operates the way it is supposed to, will be the very first.

motleyhoo
18-08-2009, 05:14 AM
Once again I have to ask, why I should have to foot the bill for some a-hole to buy a car he could not have afforded otherwise? What a scam!!!

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ownoiz
18-08-2009, 07:38 AM
Seems yet again that the illuminati car manufacturers have come up with the perfect scam.

Convince the masses to go and buy one of their products when maybe they werent going to (without the clunker rebate) AND

convince the dealers to take the burden, dealers thinking they are onto a good thing, but then government takes forever (if at all) to compensate them.

SO, result is that the illuminati car makers are still shifting their overpriced overweight POS's and pulling in the profits...and more of the masses are putting in more wages to pay for a new car they didnt need...and, in the true spirit of socialism, the once sucessful dealers arent making squat, they are just like puppets being used to shift cars for the illuminati, without recieving proper compensation for their efforts and investment into their business.

And also, how much energy and water goes into producing a new vehicle from scratch...compared to maintaining an older one...alot more. But then, many here know that the elites couldnt really give a shit about squandering the earths resources and polluting the air in the throw away society they have created, despite telling us every fricken minute of the day on MSM how much we should care, and therefore pay more taxes and charges for the privelige of caring.
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_underscore_
18-08-2009, 10:10 AM
_underscore_ has a buddy that works at a local Toyota dealership, according to him they've taken in right around 300 'clunkers' and have been reimbursed for two of them.

coco
18-08-2009, 02:43 PM
Seems yet again that the illuminati car manufacturers have come up with the perfect scam.

Convince the masses to go and buy one of their products when maybe they weren't going to (without the clunker rebate) AND

convince the dealers to take the burden, dealers thinking they are onto a good thing, but then government takes forever (if at all) to compensate them.

SO, result is that the illuminati car makers are still shifting their overpriced overweight POS's and pulling in the profits...and more of the masses are putting in more wages to pay for a new car they didnt need...and, in the true spirit of socialism, the once sucessful dealers arent making squat, they are just like puppets being used to shift cars for the illuminati, without recieving proper compensation for their efforts and investment into their business.

And also, how much energy and water goes into producing a new vehicle from scratch...compared to maintaining an older one...alot more. But then, many here know that the elites couldnt really give a shit about squandering the earths resources and polluting the air in the throw away society they have created, despite telling us every fricken minute of the day on MSM how much we should care, and therefore pay more taxes and charges for the privelige of caring.
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I agree with everything you said but I commend you for being the only other person I have heard mention the bolded point. The other was my father. This is supposed to promote greenery BUT what about the manufacturing aspect that chokes up the earth they are so concerned about? :rolleyes: HYPOCRITICAL!

All they are interested in is promoting loans to stimulate the economy again which, in turn, continues promotion of a floating economy based on absolutely nothing that I was stunned to actually learn about long about 20+ years ago in an SBA (small business administration) course.

I knew we weren't on gold standard anymore but I really didn't know how it all worked. I realized to myself this is a floating economy based on nothing (market values). The instructor advised me not to worry as the economic base is superior to that of the past.

Now the bill is due and it's going to be corrected using the same fickle, teetering, fluctuating, easily manipulatable BS model?

Apologies, rant over.

coco
18-08-2009, 02:58 PM
By the way. I posted this elsewhere and I would be remiss not to post it here:

I have been entering new ads for cars into the local advertiser and I noticed dealerships ARE starting their sell price of the nicer used models by $1000-$1500 more; likewise on the rerun ads for vehicles - they're increasing the price of vehicles they have been advertising for a while. All used/preowned.

ownoiz
18-08-2009, 03:18 PM
All they are interested in is promoting loans to stimulate the economy again which, in turn, continues promotion of a floating economy based on absolutely nothing.


Yup. And interested in making us work all day just to pay for it too.
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coco
24-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Cash for Clunkers Ends today in the US but I found this opinion piece and wanted to share.

http://www.moneyrulesdebtstinks.com/?p=524#more-524

I don’t know why I checked, but I did. When I did, I could almost feel steam pour out of my ears. I seethed for a couple of days and, finally today, I believe I can keep my composure long enough to write this.

I went to the website provided for the federal government’s Cash for Clunkers’ program and checked our vehicle—a jet black 2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 SE pickup, which is fully loaded and quite comfortable.

As you know, if you’ve been following me for very long, I do not have a car of my own. Oh, I used to. In fact, I maintained a 22-year non-stop need to have my own luxury car (a succession of really horrible leases on Mazdas, Cadillacs, BMWs, you name it, I had one, but that’s a story for another time). I finally gave that up, cold turkey.

My husband and I share one vehicle—this beautiful Chevy truck. It’s immaculate. We’ve babied it, maintained it, washed it, new “tired” it (twice so far) and driven it gently for 125,000 miles. Now, it has been deemed a clunker—better off dead than driven.

Well, excuse me. The very thought of some new car dealer pouring toxic chemicals into my truck’s engine to seize it for all of eternity and then send it to be crushed takes my breath away. I wouldn’t agree to that—not for $4,500 cash, or any amount.

Are you kidding? There’s nothing beneficial about purposely destroying something that clearly has a useful life—in this case a running vehicle—something that could make a world of difference in the life of someone who otherwise would not be able to afford to buy a car at all. To destroy an efficient means of transportation that allows its owner to remain debt-free is somehow good for our economy? Oh, please.

Our truck has at least another 125,000 miles in it—and quite economical transportation, to boot. Sure, it gets 18 mpg. There is nothing wrong with that if we are willing to buy the gas, which we are. As for the environment, no problem there. In California, our vehicles have to be “smog-proofed” and this truck passes its tests with flying colors. It is not spewing toxic emissions, unlike myself at this moment.

According to this Clunkers program, I should replace my vehicle with one that gets 22 mpg, leaving me with 60 months of car payments on a new (not used) vehicle that gets better gas mileage. In whose economic texbook does saving $600 a year in gas justify taking on new debt? Very few people taking advantage of this program are coming in with all cash to pay for the new car in exchange for their clunker.

While this clunker thing has become political, to me it’s all about economics. So, if you’re getting ready to post a comment turning this into a political argument, don’t bother. This is about dollars and cents, living below your means and shunning new debt.

But wait, there’s more.

So far, we learn, 750,000 of these so-called clunkers have been traded in, euthanized and sent to the big shredder in the sky—450,000 of which were well-functioning, servicable vehicles that could have served well the used-car industry in the U.S., particularly during these difficult recessionary times.

Has anyone thought about all the used-car dealers who will have to shut down for lack of inventory? This is where my blood pressure takes off. I believe that this reckless, short-sighted program will change the face of an entire segment of our society—affordable transportation—for years to come.

Where are young adults who’ve saved up $1,000 or $1,500 going to find their first car—which should be a clunker? How about the young families who are hell-bent against taking on new-car payments? What will they do? Don’t think that prices on the precious few used cars that will be available won’t increase in price.

Look, our truck is paid for, runs like a Swiss watch (and still on the original brakes, which I find amazing), fits our needs perfectly and doesn’t look too bad, either. I love it. I love it even more now than I did before.

There is one thing I am grateful for in all of this: The Cash for Clunkers program is not mandatory. That means, thankfully, that I don’t have to end this post with some reference to R.I.P. my dear departed truck.