How healthy eating can become an illness

[krakhead]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1207007/How-healthy-eating-illness.html

An obsession with eating healthily could in fact be bad for your health, scientists warn.

Those who deny themselves entire food groups or worry too much about the 'purity' of their meals are risking their mental and physical wellbeing.

Experts have reported a rise in such extreme behaviour, known as orthorexia nervosa.

Sufferers or orthorexia nervosa tend to be over 30, middle-class and well-educated.

[smariot]

So, I suppose the solution is to destroy the middle class and stop educating people.

[farros]

i totally agree with this.

The mental pressure people can put on themselfs is in itself damaging to the body.

eg a person who eats the occasional mcdonalds, but who is completely relaxed about there diet, will be better off than someone who lives life always fighting the temptation to indulge.

same principle behind why some people can smoke 40 a day for 60 years, while others get cancer at 40.

[charas]

Yeah its true if you obsessively worry about anything it has negative effects.
Of course before chemical agriculture and fake foods you didnt need to worry so much about what you ate it was mostly good you just ate.
maybe the worry was more when you would get your next meal.

[gilly]

The solution must be Codex Alimentarius - the end of healthy eating for everybody!!! :mad:

[antiem]

So, I suppose the solution is to destroy the middle class and stop educating people.
lol Congratulations to the best answer today. :D
You just forgot to mention to stop people getting older than 30. ;) Maybe a new job category of the army... showing up on your 30iest birthday...:eek:

[candygirl]

Oh gosh i have a name now for what i suffer from Yipee:)
So not wanting to drink tap water and eat Mickdevils (which makes me want to hurl:eek:) and not want to eat MSGs (which affects me:mad:) and i am in my 30's and as they say well educated (nice compliment) means i have a mental problem! ooooohPurleeze! Whatever next.
So what is the cure for what i am suffering from?
oh i know i shall rush down to my local Mickdevils and stuff my face!:D That should do the trick!

[avaruus]

so avoiding their shit ingredients is now a Disorder??

the madness never ends.. :(

[armoured_amazon]

So, I suppose the solution is to destroy the middle class and stop educating people.

Hehehe :)

I try to stick with eating what I feel like, in as natural a state as possible. Did my fish swim in the ocean, shaped like a square and covered in breadcrumbs? Hell, no! Do I need to buy ready made stir in sauces, when it would take me a few minutes to make one? Hell, no!

Aside from these things, I eat what I want, when I want. My doctor says I am extraordinarily healthy and fit (especially considering I am a smoker - my lung capacity is that of a non-smoking athlete...maybe I'm from another planet haha).

I've noticed plastic packaging getting far worse these days, too, considering 'they' always harp on about recycling, pfff. Everything should come in paper pr cardboard, imo. I've also turned into my grandmother, with my own shopping bags.

Wow, I so went off topic... :o

[hawk]

Eat right
exercise
Die anyway:rolleyes:

[candygirl]

That's it not only do i have this disorder i have another and its called
Swinfluvannorexia Nervosa. Or one could have Vannorexia nervosa:eek:
Better go eat some shitty food and get Jabbed to cure my mental prob

[motleyhoo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1207007/How-healthy-eating-illness.html

There's one slight problem with their premise - skipping whole food groups, not eating the right foods, and eating too much/little of some necessary foods is not "healthy eating".

Am I the only one who noticed this?

.

[demiurg]

There's one slight problem with their premise - skipping whole food groups, not eating the right foods, and eating too much/little of some necessary foods is not "healthy eating".
Am I the only one who noticed this?
.

Ofcourse it isn´t, the point is ofcourse what these people think.
I spend much time on veggie-fora and there is definitely a group that fits the description of orthorexia. Especially the female vegetarians, for whom health is one of the main reason. Nowadays raw-veganism is popular. Sugar is ofcourse wrong, wheat sometimes, gluten. It goes step by step, adding these foodgroups up. Till some of them really only eat fruit. But not too much, because of the sugar. :rolleyes:

[deem]

I live on a regular diet of coffee and fags for breakfast and lunch, and crap from Icelands for my evening meal, complemented with intermitant beer and more fags. Never felt better.:D

[runciter]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1207007/How-healthy-eating-illness.html

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

courtesy of illuminati media, via krakhead :)

[bobbydiva]

I think this is bull unless it really puts your mind through serious stress.
What is the science behind this claim?

Just some massive negative placebo?

If you want to be healthy you have to push through the initial barrier before you feel better.

[gaias child]

I like the way they say orthorexia nervosa is characterised by people who cut out coffee alcohol salt sugar dairy wheat etc and then say one orthorexic person ate only yellow foods as if the person who ate yellow foods is the same as someone who cuts out unhealthy food.

I agree that someone who eats only yellow food probably has a type of eating disorder but someone who cuts out unhealthy food hasn't, it is all part of the scheme to label people mentally ill or psychotic who do not want to eat their GM shit and take their vaccines

[jack5]

i totally agree with this.

The mental pressure people can put on themselfs is in itself damaging to the body.

eg a person who eats the occasional mcdonalds, but who is completely relaxed about there diet, will be better off than someone who lives life always fighting the temptation to indulge.

same principle behind why some people can smoke 40 a day for 60 years, while others get cancer at 40.

Yes but i find it extremely difficult to eat unadulterated food mainly because alternatives are short on the ground in our shit house chemical factories better known as supermarkets.Most modern food is shit anyhow.

[charas]

There's one slight problem with their premise - skipping whole food groups, not eating the right foods, and eating too much/little of some necessary foods is not "healthy eating".

Am I the only one who noticed this?

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Yep its all part their manipulation, mix in truth with fiction, the obvious with lies, and people do not even notice their contradictions.

[ronisron]

I try to eat healthy, it's not hard to adhere to eating well....and it's not "obsessive" to avoid McDonalds, the food is shit. Eat well, eat lots of fruit and grains, drink lots of water, use honey instead of sugars. I recommend including a lot of garlic as part of a healthy diet too.

Yes, you can be run over by a bus tomorrow and all that, but the better you eat, the better you feel while your living. It improves the quality of life you have.

[djhooker]

i should take anything the daily fail say with a pinch of salt.

[krakhead]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

courtesy of illuminati media, via krakhead :)

Paranoia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:D

[runciter]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

:D

no, my observation was obviously pertinent :)

[krakhead]

no, my observation was obviously pertinent :)

Only to you my dear. Now if you have nothing to actually add to the conversation you can go :)

[runciter]

Only to you my dear. Now if you have nothing to actually add to the conversation you can go :)

you can only say "not to me my dear".

and i'm contributing to the conversation: the article's aim is to cause cognitive dissonance.

[krakhead]

you can only say "not to me my dear".

and i'm contributing to the conversation: the article's aim is to cause cognitive dissonance.

No, no, no. YOUR personal view on the article appears to be that it has only been printed to cause cognitive dissonance. I personally think it has some truth to it. If you BELIEVE your food is bad for you, it WILL be bad for you.

If, for example, you are someone who is very careful about what they eat and, for some reason, you have been unable to get hold of your favourite healthy snack and are stuck with a Marks and Spencers sandwich from the outlet at your local train station he act of feeling anxious about what's on your plate will probably do more harm than the food itself.

I wouldn't consider it likely that one sandwich would do you any harm, but I strongly suspect that the anxiety would be.

If you take that a few steps further to people who have become so obsessed with the food they eat that they are constantly anxious about the ill effects of what they are eating then you would have serious problem on your hands.

The comment has been made regularly on this forum - whenever a new food scare comes to light that we would be able to eat very little if we listened to every 'this IS bad for you' message we happened across.

People need to relax a little I feel. Eat as healthily as you can, but don't get so hung up you make yourself ill :)

[runciter]

No, no, no. YOUR personal view on the article appears to be that it has only been printed to cause cognitive dissonance. I personally think it has some truth to it. If you BELIEVE your food is bad for you, it WILL be bad for you.

If, for example, you are someone who is very careful about what they eat and, for some reason, you have been unable to get hold of your favourite healthy snack and are stuck with a Marks and Spencers sandwich from the outlet at your local train station he act of feeling anxious about what's on your plate will probably do more harm than the food itself.

I wouldn't consider it likely that one sandwich would do you any harm, but I strongly suspect that the anxiety would be.

If you take that a few steps further to people who have become so obsessed with the food they eat that they are constantly anxious about the ill effects of what they are eating then you would have serious problem on your hands.

The comment has been made regularly on this forum - whenever a new food scare comes to light that we would be able to eat very little if we listened to every 'this IS bad for you' message we happened across.

People need to relax a little I feel. Eat as healthily as you can, but don't get so hung up you make yourself ill :)

the basic assumption is that people aren't generally relaxed about what they eat.

is it true, or is it subtle manipulation?

to induce stress, maybe, and help big pharma? and crap-food producers, of course?

[alrick888]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/aug/16/orthorexia-mental-health-eating-disorder


Healthy food obsession sparks rise in new eating disorder

Fixation with healthy eating can be sign of serious psychological disorder

Orthorexia nervosa sufferers like to focus on 'righteous' eating and have rigid rules about avoiding certain foods. Photograph: Getty

Eating disorder charities are reporting a rise in the number of people suffering from a serious psychological condition characterised by an obsession with healthy eating.

The condition, orthorexia nervosa, affects equal numbers of men and women, but sufferers tend to be aged over 30, middle-class and well-educated.

The condition was named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, and is described as a "fixation on righteous eating". Until a few years ago, there were so few sufferers that doctors usually included them under the catch-all label of "Ednos" – eating disorders not otherwise recognised. Now, experts say, orthorexics take up such a significant proportion of the Ednos group that they should be treated separately.

"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group. "Other eating disorders focus on quantity of food but orthorexics can be overweight or look normal. They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure'."

Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out.

The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished. Their dietary restrictions commonly cause sufferers to feel proud of their "virtuous" behaviour even if it means that eating becomes so stressful their personal relationships can come under pressure and they become socially isolated.

"The issues underlying orthorexia are often the same as anorexia and the two conditions can overlap but orthorexia is very definitely a distinct disorder," said Philpot. "Those most susceptible are middle-class, well-educated people who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives."

Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, said: "There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia. I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."

Jade believes the condition is on the increase because "modern society has lost its way with food". She said: "It's everywhere, from the people who think it's normal if their friends stop eating entire food groups, to the trainers in the gym who [promote] certain foods to enhance performance, to the proliferation of nutritionists, dieticians and naturopaths [who believe in curing problems through entirely natural methods such as sunlight and massage].

"And just look in the bookshops – all the diets that advise eating according to your blood type or metabolic rate. This is all grist for the mill to those looking for proof to confirm or encourage their anxieties around food."

[nihil]

Thanks for the Disgusting info .

[mynameis]

Taking care of one's body is a right as is to observe what goes in it. I think this article is full of hot piss.

[krakhead]

the basic assumption is that people aren't generally relaxed about what they eat.

is it true, or is it subtle manipulation?

to induce stress, maybe, and help big pharma? and crap-food producers, of course?

No, the idea appears to be that SOME people are not relaxed about what they eat. A quick perusal of this forum would back that idea up.

[father ted]

*Be carefull, don't eat healthy cause it's a sign of serious psychological disorder!*

Most peolpe don't know what eating healthy is anyway, so what difference does it make?

[unusual_suspect]

The article is a little dangerous in my opinion; while it does make a valid point as being obessed about anything just aint healthy it implies that being mindful of what one eats could be a slippery slope to rack and ruin.

More to the point, the article talks about people having "anxieties around food" and says that this is on the increase. Perhaps the article should examine why this should even be the case. Perhaps the media fads of what the latest disease causing culprits are may be to blame, also the fact that people are rightly anxious about their food given the some of the crap that passes for food these days. Also, are eating dissorders not a manifestation of people wishing to gain control of their lives as a very concrete thing we can control is what goes in to our mouths. Why are more people feeling as though they need to regain control?

Most people I know exclude one thing or another from their diet. This article is in direct opposition to all the media propaganda about the obesity epidemic, you have to question why this is.

[limelady]

No, the idea appears to be that SOME people are not relaxed about what they eat. A quick perusal of this forum would back that idea up.

I agree. I have been an obsessive 'healthy' eater in the past, and it almost took over my life! Having studied clinical nutrition, I realised how unhealthy many foods are, so I actively avoided them to eat only naturally sourced, healthy foods.

But its almost impossible to keep this up all year round while living a busy life, and instead of my health improving, I found I was becoming obsessive and stressed out trying to be healthy. A classic catch 22!

So I relaxed and instead tried another way of eating. I started telling myself that my body can take healthy nutrients out of even the most unhealthy foods, so such foods will not harm me....in fact (I told myself) they'll only do me good.

The mind and your day to day attitude is the greatest key to good health, and while you are focussed and worried about what you are eating all the time, you have entrained your mind to be concerned night and day in quite an unhealthy, negative way.

Since then I eat what I feel like without guilt (I let my body tell me what it needs) and I go with the flow a lot more without worrying about everything I put in my mouth. I still steer away from certain foods if (margarine, white bread, hydrolysed vegetable oils, processed table salt, highly processed packaged foods,etc), and I try to eat organic if poss, but I no longer obsess over any of this, and take a few supplements to make up any nutrients we know are deficient in our food supply.

I have been a lot healthier ever since because stress is the biggest hindrance to health.

Eat, drink and be merry folks! :)

[alrick888]

And whose fault is it you can hardly buy any product in a store anymore without first studying all the small print in case they saw the chance to cram it full of aspartame, MSGs or benzene compounds?

And then it is a sign of mental illness some people get anxious?

Get your story straight people!

[runciter]

No, the idea appears to be that SOME people are not relaxed about what they eat. A quick perusal of this forum would back that idea up.

people, you're not relaxed, some of you at least, you're not relaxed, you're not relaxed about what you eat, health is illness, now relax...

[greenapple]

so avoiding their shit ingredients is now a Disorder??

the madness never ends.. :(

Excellent point!!

Personally, I am very sensitive to my body's wants - and it is really obvious to me how certain foods make me feel.

Some foods give me energy - with some i feel "pooped"

Well, it became very clear to me - if I don't want to feel like crap, I better not eat crap.

healthy body = healthy mind

I also have noticed that my body began craving healthy natural organic foods - and that macDevil's (how some quite wittily called it) food just makes me nauseuos.
i used to love sugar, sweets - well, now I do eat them once in a blue moon at the party, but I never crave it anymore, it just tastes too damn yucky sweet, so I spit them back into the napkin (when no one is looking) LOL

Maybe the trick is that I don't forbid myself those - that's why I don't want them LOL

I was on a raw diet -once and my oh my , it was absolutely amazing, on how wonderfully I felt and how clearly I thought. It was also something spiritual about it.

I am a firm believer in the strong connection between mind, body, and spirit

[montag]

I agree. I have been an obsessive 'healthy' eater in the past, and it almost took over my life!
I think the article is a load of bull tosh, more grist for the psychiatrists mill of disorder creation..

Probably just disagreeing with this story is a disorder in itself..:D

[montag]

people, you're not relaxed, some of you at least, you're not relaxed, you're not relaxed about what you eat, health is illness, now relax...
..and take your Xanax.:)

[limelady]

I think the article is a load of bull tosh, more grist for the psychiatrists mill of disorder creation..

Probably just disagreeing with this story is a disorder in itself..:D

Yeah, whatever! :D

[beldazar]

Good thread with some good posts!

I would tend to agree with Krak and Limelady.

I never bothered at all on what food entered my body, I ate what I liked the taste of best. I practically lived off sweets and choc for a while, 5 bars and half a pound of sweets for my pud :o Plus other illegal substances and never bothered with any form of exercise. (Although not driving and being too tight for bus and taxi fare keeps you rather fit)

Then of course after my first child its meal-planning times. Veggies, healthy food and finding out which foods little-uns eat!!! I always treid my best with what was sold and affordable in the shops.

Then I come here and find out the so many various ways they are poisoning us on purpose. I had had glimpses of food that werent really considered 'healthy' from MSM but since it was still in the shops....well, you know :o
So now its no flouride, aspartame. MSG, wheat, soya, marmite sweets etc....or would be if I got obsessed with it all :eek:
I find it all too overwhelming, its stressing me out a bit, I have a son with borderline ASD, I have been trying ways to change his diet which seems so expensive avoiding gluten, plus removing his most fav. food, cooking meals the two boys will eat, knowing I shouldnt really be eating meat, looking into raw food diets blah blah blah. Then I feel bad that its not sorted!

We went out for our usual escape yesterday into the sticks and a very small part of me wants to be put in a position when there is no choice other than to eat as nature intended, dandeloin leaves, nettles etc...oh gawd would I crave a nice, juicy steak pasty!!

So what Im saying here is this food biz has the opportunity of really doing my head in and causing no amount of guilt for not doing it right or feeding the best food. Heck, I try to do organic but even that's not guaranteed as such!
so unless someone wants to be my live-in cook and shopper, the only thing I can do is to stick to the basics and make small changes along the way.

(I just want to add that even with a really poor previous diet, I am very rarely ill and apart from a smokers cough, very healthy :))

Unusual Suspect has hit the nail on the head...WHY would people even consider 'healthy eating'? Shouldnt eating be a healthy thing to do anyway?

[greenapple]

So now its no flouride, aspartame. MSG, wheat, soya, marmite sweets etc....or would be if I got obsessed with it all :eek:
I find it all too overwhelming, its stressing me out a bit, I have a son with borderline ASD, I have been trying ways to change his diet which seems so expensive avoiding gluten, plus removing his most fav. food, cooking meals the two boys will eat, knowing I shouldnt really be eating meat, looking into raw food diets blah blah blah. Then I feel bad that its not sorted!


You don't HAVE to be obsessed - but what is so ungodly "wrong" with making an effort to avoid this stuff?

As for the ASD - my DD has so-called autism, and I am the first to profess that those diets DO WORK.
Check out generation rescue and Jenny McCarthy story websites

[runciter]

the main reason why people now bother about what they eat is that the elite is willingly poisoning us.

hey, stop worrying, enjoy the poisoning, it can harm you only if you believe it can harm you.. relax.. relax..

healthy eating can become an illness

healthy eating can become an illness

healthy eating can become an illness

[krakhead]

You don't HAVE to be obsessed - but what is so ungodly "wrong" with making an effort to avoid this stuff?


Absolutely nothing. Just don't let it take over your life. If one day you're stuck having to eat non-organic cheese (for example), don't allow the anxiety to overwhelm you.

I go to great lengths to eat locally sourced, organic food. But if I can't get hold of it, I don't make myself sick from worry.

If you avoid these additives more often than not and are grateful and thankful for the food you receive (I'm a big fan of saying grace before eating - nothing fancy, just preparing my body to receive something wonderful that will cleanse and give energy. Hey! It may work! :D) then I would think you'll be healthier (and happier) than someone who eat purely 'healthy' food but worried about it.

[runciter]

Absolutely nothing. Just don't let it take over your life.

yes, ancient native wisdom, same goes for anything else.

[beldazar]

You don't HAVE to be obsessed - but what is so ungodly "wrong" with making an effort to avoid this stuff?

As for the ASD - my DD has so-called autism, and I am the first to profess that those diets DO WORK.
Check out generation rescue and Jenny McCarthy story websites

'scuse me but where did I say it was 'ungodly wrong' if you believe there is a god of course....

Ive no doubt the diets DO work. My son is quite happy the way he is thanks, its others that arent....if HE wants to have a complete change of diet then all well and good. He is 14 and at the age he can decide for himself, I just stick to the basics.
Ive asked him if he would like a wheat-free diet and he has sort of agreed. Its gonna be hard as its his most fav. food group. Ive thought of going to the docs for prescription gluten-free products as the MMR jab probably caused his condition.

so...do you fancy coming round to buy and prepare our meals for us? ;)

[xzia]

I find it funny to see articles like that. Basically its trying to tell us that people who try to eat healthy have a mental illness (i have heard everything now), while the real illness is anxiety. A lot of people are doing the eat healthy thing described in the article, but have no anxiety at all about it! The illness is anxiety, not healthy eating. They link the two together only because they want all the sheep rounded up, they dont like it when sheep start exploring around. Follow Codex, or youre mentally ill!

Anyways, according to this article, i too suffer with Orthorexia, even if i dont feel anxiety about it. I suffer with a rare form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. I wasnt able to walk 3 years ago. I had to take a lot of medications that would kind of reduce the pain, but also cause a lot of digestive problems, needing me to take more pills to ease the side effects. The next step was to take meds that would shut down my immune system (yeah for real). Thats when i stood up (well i tried lol) and said ENOUGH! I did a lot of research and started to change my diet. I cut down on the poisons (caffeine, MSG, soy products, gluten, etc), sugars and starches, and chose to go slowly about it, for my body to adapt and to avoid cravings.

Fast forward to today, i now can walk fine, i can also sleep 8 hours without the pain to bother me much anymore (it used to wake me up every 15 mins). Im off the meds, all of them too! I might take some occasionnally but its a big change compared to the meds for life regime i had before.

The only side effect i find from my healthy eating is I FEEL SO F'IN GOOD! Im even thinking about going back to school and start working again.

The trick here is to not feel anxious or obsessed about it. As i said, anxiety is the real disorder, not eating well. If you feel anxious, evaluate what youre doing, and find ways that are less stressful. Maybe youre introducing changes too fast. Allow your body to adapt. Cheating is allright, youve been eating crap all your life without knowing it, if you eat crap only here and there youre still improving your condition a lot!

Anxiety is all over our society, thats what needs to be checked.

Eating healthy a disorder? lol... Im glad i have this disorder then because what its been doing for me is improving my health by a ton. Ill take that disorder any day instead of the crutches and wheelchair, thanks!

IMO the ones with a disorder are the docs trying to label everything and put everybody on pills. Got to feed those fat pharmaceutical companies, right?