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_underscore_

15-08-2007, 10:14 AM

So Einsteins Special Theory of Relativity, as _underscore_ understands it (laymans terms) holds that time is relative to the observer, ie if your twin takes off on a spaceship (or whatever) cruising near the speed of light, while you chill at home, by the time your twin gets back from Solaris or where ever, you will be an old geezer while your twin will have only aged slightly. (Sorry for the run on sentance.) _underscore_s question is this: what would happen if your twin were to leave Earth on that fancy space ship of his (or hers) and stopped moving altogether? Is it possible to not be in motion? At the equator, the Earth is spinning around a thousand miles per hour, and the Earth is also moving around Sol at 67,000 miles per hour, and the Earth is also winging around the Milky Way at some astronomical figure (no pun intended), meanwhile the galaxy is fucking hauling ass. What _underscore_ is trying to get at, is if it is possible to cease motion, would the person who stopped moving age ultra fast? Dang.

Anders Lindman

15-08-2007, 10:56 AM

_underscore_

15-08-2007, 11:37 AM

Mr. Lindman,
What _underscore_ is getting at is what is the minimum speed, is it possible to be motionless relative to the universe, and if so, what are the temporal consequences?

Anders Lindman

15-08-2007, 11:46 AM

Mr. Lindman,
What _underscore_ is getting at is what is the minimum speed, is it possible to be motionless relative to the universe, and if so, what are the temporal consequences?

We have then to look at the universe as a totality in motion. Everything in the universe belongs to this totality. Time is always flowing forward. This means that the universe is always moving. Motion is relative so there is no possibility for anything to be motionless unless time itself stops.

"I am Time, the destroyer of worlds" -- The Bhagavadgita 11:32

If you can stop time, then you could have something motionless.

h1s_l0rdsh1p

15-08-2007, 11:52 AM

I think the key to moving faster than the speed of light is the to stand still...

I mean, like:

The universe we could say is spinning at 3,000,000,000,000 mph, ok. (Not sure if it's true, just making up as I go along)
If we could somehow stay in one place, and let everything else move around us, I think we would then stay younger.

davidbarstis

15-08-2007, 02:02 PM

Hi _underscore_

I think the maximum speed is 2 * the speed of light. If two photons travel in exactly opposite directions I believe the speed between them is twice the speed of light, not only one time the speed of light as Einstein proposed. I haven't looked into in what way this would alter the equations of relativity though.

Ah, but there is the phenomenon of photon entanglement. If two photons emitted at the same time in opposite directions from the same atom, they would be carrying the same signature information. If one of the photons were changed the other photon because it is an exact analog with the first, would instantaneously change no matter what the difference. LAWS of any kind are an illusion and there is no laws of speed beyond the illusion. Just like aging is an illusion that we have been genetically programed to do.

Anders Lindman

15-08-2007, 02:16 PM

Ah, but there is the phenomenon of photon entanglement. If two photons emitted at the same time in opposite directions from the same atom, they would be carrying the same signature information. If one of the photons were changed the other photon because it is an exact analog with the first, would instantaneously change no matter what the difference. LAWS of any kind are an illusion and there is no laws of speed beyond the illusion. Just like aging is an illusion that we have been genetically programed to do.

Even if all particles in the universe are non-locally entangled with each other, the universe as a whole is still moving. Particle A can be motionless in relation to particle B, but particle A cannot be motionless in relation to all other particles in the universe because then there would be no time.

davidbarstis

15-08-2007, 02:28 PM

Even if all particles in the universe are non-locally entangled with each other, the universe as a whole is still moving. Particle A can be motionless in relation to particle B, but particle A cannot be motionless in relation to all other particles in the universe because then there would be no time.

That's if you believe the universe is what mainstream science says it is. If the universe is just an illusion of our own perception, its movement may not really be happening. Who are we to believe, close minded scientists? In the infinite, there is no vibration and no time. It just is. This illusion that we are a small part of something huge and planets, galaxies, universes, parallel universes, is a trap. Consciousness is everywhere at all times. No time, no distance. Our own imagination has created this reality.

Anders Lindman

15-08-2007, 03:15 PM

That's if you believe the universe is what mainstream science says it is. If the universe is just an illusion of our own perception, its movement may not really be happening. Who are we to believe, close minded scientists? In the infinite, there is no vibration and no time. It just is. This illusion that we are a small part of something huge and planets, galaxies, universes, parallel universes, is a trap. Consciousness is everywhere at all times. No time, no distance. Our own imagination has created this reality.

I strongly believe that consciousness is the center of the universe. But that doesn't make particles non-existent. There is still always motion. Consciousness is the Central Sun, the Unmoved Mover of the universe, as illustrated by this video:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

thunda

15-08-2007, 04:50 PM

You can't be perfectly still - as Anders says, the galaxy is still rotating around the central core and pulling you with it - and the galaxy itself is still moving through the universe at a enormous (relative to speeds we are familar to) speed .. again pulling you with it. Even on the micro level - I would suspect that there would still be movement within yourself at a quantum level if not on a higher level.

An interesting question tho - i've not thought about it in the direction of slowing down - just speeding up. Worth thinking tho.

If you want a "physics" answer try this forum here - lots of people with high foreheads who would probably know whats possible.

http://www.space-talk.com/ForumE/forumdisplay.php3?forumid=21

if you ask over there - I'd be interested to hear what they come back with.