Icke converts to Christianity?

[miracles]

What would you do if he did?

[size_of_light]

Laugh.

[miracles]

Laugh.

:D

[dharmanation]

No longer take him seriously.

[clachan]

No longer take him seriously.

DI also says that the late Queen mother was a 9 foot tall blood drinking reptile !
But i have read 5 or 6 of his books now and am an admirer so if he ever did endorse JC my faith in him would double.
"The truth shall set you free"....JC

[quetzalcoatl]

What would you do if he did?

Think him less hypocritical.. ;)

You kno.. the Bible says this, that, the next thing.. Jesus said this or that - but He's only an allegory for a mushroom or the Sun.. :rolleyes:

[justnotsure]

Think him less hypocritical.. ;)

You kno.. the Bible says this, that, the next thing.. Jesus said this or that - but He's only an allegory for a mushroom or the Sun.. :rolleyes:

Agreed.Agreed.Agreed.

[geolaureate8]

It'd never happen. Icke has a sharp critical mind and wouldn't let any unusual life experience pull him into a religion. Once you've reached the point where Icke has, there's no turning back.

.

[amethyst]

Well, Icke converting to Christ wouldn't mean he was embracing "man made religion".

David already utilizes many of Christ's teachings in his literature and talks. I daresay, the inspirations given to him come from the Spirit. Jesus Christ did after all, claim to be the truth.

Icke is a truthteller.

[miracles]

Well, Icke converting to Christ wouldn't mean he was embracing "man made religion".

David already utilizes many of Christ's teachings in his literature and talks. I daresay, the inspirations given to him come from the Spirit. Jesus Christ did after all, claim to be the truth.

Icke is a truthteller.

I belive he does speak a lot of truth, and there is one person on this site who stated that Ickes work led Him to Christ. I think that's a marvelous thing.

[lordzoma]

I would assume he went under cover or was a clone or a walk in or had gotten paid enough money to publically discredit himself, or maybe he was forced due to threats against the life of people he loved to discredit himself!

[michael christopher]

What's the point in asking a silly hypothetical question like this when Icke has repeatedly stated that Christianity is an Illuminati conspiracy?

That's like asking "What would you do if Richard Dawkins converted to Islam?"

[miracles]

What's the point in asking a silly hypothetical question like this when Icke has repeatedly stated that Christianity is an Illuminati conspiracy?

That's like asking "What would you do if Richard Dawkins converted to Islam?"

Or asking proof that Jesus existed without allowing the bible as evidence. :D

[ustane]

Think he'd been microchipped...or mind-controlled... and the bottom of my world would feel turned upside down.

[geezer661]

id think he'd been mind controlled like the rest of the church sheep

[clachan]

id think he'd been mind controlled like the rest of the church sheep

Or the rest of the DI sheep.

[clachan]

[QUOTE=michael christopher;1196534]What's the point in asking a silly hypothetical question like this when Icke has repeatedly stated that Christianity is an Illuminati conspiracy?

That's like asking "What would you do if Richard Dawkins converted to Islam?"[/QUOT

Im old enough to remember DI as the anchor man hosting World of Sport,who would have thought then he,d be talking about NWO let alone earth under alien controll ?
People move on and minds are changed,so it is not a stupid question at all.A really half baked,hair brained question is....Prove JC existed,as it is obvious to anyone the question is unanswerable.
So why dont you just answer the mans question instead of looking for any excuse to mock him ?

[michael christopher]

I have a hypothetical question, what would you do if miracles became an atheist? :p

[clachan]

I have a hypothetical question, what would you do if miracles became an atheist? :p

Why should i do anything....maybe he went mad.:p

[miracles]

I have a hypothetical question, what would you do if miracles became an atheist? :p

Laugh out loud funny. :D

[miracles]

[quote=michael christopher;1196534]What's the point in asking a silly hypothetical question like this when Icke has repeatedly stated that Christianity is an Illuminati conspiracy?

That's like asking "What would you do if Richard Dawkins converted to Islam?"[/QUOT

Im old enough to remember DI as the anchor man hosting World of Sport,who would have thought then he,d be talking about NWO let alone earth under alien controll ?
People move on and minds are changed,so it is not a stupid question at all.A really half baked,hair brained question is....Prove JC existed,as it is obvious to anyone the question is unanswerable.
So why dont you just answer the mans question instead of looking for any excuse to mock him ?


Wow your looking young for your age Clach. Whats your secret? Are you sure your name isn't Benjamin Button? :)

[eternal_spirit]

What's the point in asking a silly hypothetical question like this when Icke has repeatedly stated that Christianity is an Illuminati conspiracy?

That's like asking "What would you do if Richard Dawkins converted to Islam?":D
He'd go into Shariah banking to prove money is the "roots of evil".

[eternal_spirit]

I have a hypothetical question, what would you do if miracles became an atheist? :p
Celebrate! Then some could rest their eyes from being Bible bashed with quotes from the book.

PS Miracles I think Icke was born Christian "Church of England" just that way it was for people born around that time, most where born into Christianity.

He never preaches (does a Moses) or tells us to go to mass, he's not a practising Christian and has never claimed to follow any religion/faith. Can't see him reverting any time soon lol.

The pope of conspiracy maybe lol.

[eternal_spirit]

Icke is no Jesus fanboy.

[miracles]

Celebrate! Then some could rest their eyes from being Bible bashed with quotes from the book.

PS Miracles I think Icke was born Christian "Church of England" just that way it was for people born around that time, most where born into Christianity.

He never preaches (does a Moses) or tells us to go to mass, he's not a practising Christian and has never claimed to follow any religion/faith. Can't see him reverting any time soon lol.

The pope of conspiracy maybe lol.

Theres no such thing as being born a christian or into christianity, thats why to be a Christian you need to be born again. Im a practising Christian, I practise all the time but Im still not very good at it

[quetzalcoatl]

I have a hypothetical question, what would you do if miracles became an atheist? :p

LOL! :D - now that would be something! - assuming staunchly devout.. :p

Icke is no Jesus fanboy.

Is that because he stopped 'being Him'?? ;)

[eternal_spirit]

LOL! :D - now that would be something! - assuming staunchly devout.. :p



Is that because he stopped 'being Him'?? ;)

:D Sure many of us have our "Messianic complex period" Was just a passing phase, and referring to we are all of god maybe.

Might tell you about some of mine some day ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Theres no such thing as being born a christian or into christianity, thats why to be a Christian you need to be born again. Im a practising Christian, I practise all the time but Im still not very good at it
Are you suggesting apostasy isn't possible for one being born into Christianity? I'd disagree.
You don't have to be born again to be Christian.

That's your belief and that of certain sects. Many other Christians do not go through the born again experience, the one's who do that would mean they'd have to go join another group/sect/church that believes in becoming born again.

The majority of Christians are not born again. What kind of whacked out sect do you follow? :D

EDIT A clue is that crazed looking guy in your avatar?

[quetzalcoatl]

:D Sure many of us have our "Messianic complex period" Was just a passing phase, and referring to we are all of god maybe.

Might tell you about some of mine some day ;)

Come on now, I like to do this too! - believe me.. & fair call, maybe indeed.. :) How-ever, what say you if the reference was "well, if a man said that 2000 years ago".. or however it went, what then?? :confused:

Basically, the jist of it is Wogan being a 'pompous twat' :p probably for ratings or complete lack of empathy, why do we need to sugar-coat it?? No-one bloody cares & those that might, don't matter! ;) - anyway, I've done shit that'll completely blow that outa the water in laughs division! :D ;)

As for the 'Messianic complexes' - eventually someone's gonna come along that sees through all that shite! ;)

[miracles]

Are you suggesting apostasy isn't possible for one being born into Christianity? I'd disagree.
You don't have to be born again to be Christian.

That's your belief and that of certain sects. Many other Christians do not go through the born again experience, the one's who do that would mean they'd have to go join another group/sect/church that believes in becoming born again.

The majority of Christians are not born again. What kind of whacked out sect do you follow? :D

EDIT A clue is that crazed looking guy in your avatar?

The Bible ( the word of God). You're not a christian if you are not born again. The bible is Christianity, not the "Church" the true church are born again.

Jhn 3:3 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=3&t=KJV#3)Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=7&t=KJV#7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1Pe 1:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Pe&c=1&v=23&t=KJV#23)Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The whole premise of the bible is that we are all corruptible seed and that we must be born again into the incorruptile through Christ.

Which is why Christians do not agree with this "self created Christ conciouness" Nonesense. Why? Because it is not a biblical teaching.

[clachan]

[quote=clachan;1197664]


Wow your looking young for your age Clach. Whats your secret? Are you sure your name isn't Benjamin Button? :)

No secret....I was born again....;)

[miracles]

[quote=miracles;1199015]

No secret....I was born again....;)

:D excellent.

[gribz]

I think there is more chance of David Rockefellar becoming a 9/11 truth activist than D Icke becoming a christian :D

The first time I heard Icke talking about religion was like a huge breath of freshair....his words "dont get me started on religion, its a nonsense" :D

[clachan]

I think there is more chance of David Rockefellar becoming a 9/11 truth activist than D Icke becoming a christian :D

The first time I heard Icke talking about religion was like a huge breath of freshair....his words "dont get me started on religion, its a nonsense" :D

Just out of curiousity,whats you take on the "Big Bang" theory ?
I mean,yoy must have considered why nothing just decided to go bang,assuming you agree with the current hypothesis.
I suppose im asking if you think it was "God", "The Force" or whatever,or if it just....happened for no particular reason and we are just an accident.
You wouldn,t beleive how much thought i,ve given this,I started thinking about it when i was aware of the theory....7 or 8 yrs old i think.
I come from a non-religious familly,working class from the east end of London,religion just didn,t happen...ever.
After going as far as i could with thinking i began feeling from my heart,when I was 21 i had 2 very scarey "spiritual" occurencies,one of these was of being led by an unknown entity to the edge of a vast abyss,this entity told me to jump...."jump,,,,jump,,,,,jump" it ordered.I could not.
The question of Gods existence is daft really,its so obvious,my next question was this...."what is the nature of God",religions recon they know that answer so i started looking.
DI can say what he likes and I,ll say ya or na.
Just trying to put my slant on things,I hope you get something from it.

[rodin]

I think there is more chance of David Rockefellar becoming a 9/11 truth activist than D Icke becoming a christian :D

The first time I heard Icke talking about religion was like a huge breath of freshair....his words "dont get me started on religion, its a nonsense" :D

Hhmm.... Like the Protocols are a forgery you mean?

16/Matthew 10:16-22 (Matins Gospel)

Behold,
I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.
Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

17/But beware of men,
for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.

18/You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake,
as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.

19/But when they deliver you up,
do not worry about how or what you should speak.
For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;

20/for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

21/Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.

22/And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.
But he who endures to the end will be saved.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote][quote=clachan;1200769][1199015]
clachan
No secret....I was born again...
Not long ago if that's you in your avatar.:D

[clachan]

[QUOTE][quote].
Not long ago if that's you in your avatar.:D

Yes, thats me,I got this genetic disorder which means i stopped growing whan i was 6 months old.Im 45 now,I can walk,talk, read and give a good left hook !
Driving and eating solids is a fucking pain though:D

[gribz]

Just out of curiousity,whats you take on the "Big Bang" theory ?
I mean,yoy must have considered why nothing just decided to go bang,assuming you agree with the current hypothesis.
I suppose im asking if you think it was "God", "The Force" or whatever,or if it just....happened for no particular reason and we are just an accident.
You wouldn,t beleive how much thought i,ve given this,I started thinking about it when i was aware of the theory....7 or 8 yrs old i think.
I come from a non-religious familly,working class from the east end of London,religion just didn,t happen...ever.
After going as far as i could with thinking i began feeling from my heart,when I was 21 i had 2 very scarey "spiritual" occurencies,one of these was of being led by an unknown entity to the edge of a vast abyss,this entity told me to jump...."jump,,,,jump,,,,,jump" it ordered.I could not.
The question of Gods existence is daft really,its so obvious,my next question was this...."what is the nature of God",religions recon they know that answer so i started looking.
DI can say what he likes and I,ll say ya or na.
Just trying to put my slant on things,I hope you get something from it.

Big Bang theory: personally I dont believe a big bang just occured. My own take is something / someone had to create this earth and every living thing on it, we couldnt just evolve to be so perfectly designed. As for what it is / was I dont know and neither does anyone. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As for religion(s), people can choose (choose being the key word) to believe what they want - I have absolutely no problem when grown up's choosing belief's for themselves. What I do think is wrong is people being born into religions therefore being brainwashed since birth on what to believe. Then they are simply following other's opinions rather than selecting for themselves. Thats what is such a big nonsense about it, it is just a mass amount of manipulation.

EG - If muslims were taught to eat pork but not beef then thats what they would do and they would avoid beef like the plague, but because its the other way round they choose not to touch pork yet it does no harm, its purely because they are told to.

It would make much more sense for someone to sit down look through ALL religions and pick out the practices THEY think are right or wrong. Then they would get a mix of this and that.

For the last 4 years Ive lived, worked and Im friends with a number of people from different religions. I am quite close to 1 or 2 and they get a sense of freedom and joy when they are with me because I simply dont have to follow their rules. Religion holds people's potential's back, I know a lot of muslims who could go far for themselves and be happier but they 'can not' as they would be 'betraying' their family!!!

PS - East London is Wonderful.....Im a West Ham fan :)

[adbasque]

EG - If muslims were taught to eat pork but not beef then thats what they would do and they would avoid beef like the plague, but because its the other way round they choose not to touch pork yet it does no harm, its purely because they are told to.

You could've given an example about Jews too for instance:rolleyes:
You could've given another example with the hindus who don't eat beef:rolleyes:
I guess Muslims are the easy target, aren't they?

I wasn't told by my parents not to eat pork.


It would make much more sense for someone to sit down look through ALL religions and pick out the practices THEY think are right or wrong. Then they would get a mix of this and that.

Agreed


For the last 4 years Ive lived, worked and Im friends with a number of people from different religions. I am quite close to 1 or 2 and they get a sense of freedom and joy when they are with me because I simply dont have to follow their rules. Religion holds people's potential's back, I know a lot of muslims who could go far for themselves and be happier but they 'can not' as they would be 'betraying' their family!!!

PS - East London is Wonderful.....Im a West Ham fan :)

This is the second example, always about Muslims
If a Muslim is only held by his family he might as well ditch his/her belief.
You don't believe in God for anyone but him.
If you're religious, it is between you and him, nobody else
If these friends of yours told you that, then they can just leave it out.
Because in the eyes of God they are just hypocrites.

Take care

[gribz]

You could've given an example about Jews too for instance:rolleyes:
You could've given another example with the hindus who don't eat beef:rolleyes:
I guess Muslims are the easy target, aren't they?

I wasn't told by my parents not to eat pork.




Sorry but no Muslims arent the easy target, its just the majority of religious people I know are muslims hence why i used that example.

And they are far from an easy target in my opinion, i happen to get on great with them. The perception they get in the UK and US from the mainstream media is wrong. Most of the guys are better to get on with than my own friends in the UK.

[adbasque]

Sorry but no Muslims arent the easy target, its just the majority of religious people I know are muslims hence why i used that example.

And they are far from an easy target in my opinion, i happen to get on great with them. The perception they get in the UK and US from the mainstream media is wrong. Most of the guys are better to get on with than my own friends in the UK.

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you
No harm done :)

Take care
Peace

[clachan]

Big Bang theory: personally I dont believe a big bang just occured. My own take is something / someone had to create this earth and every living thing on it, we couldnt just evolve to be so perfectly designed. As for what it is / was I dont know and neither does anyone. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As for religion(s), people can choose (choose being the key word) to believe what they want - I have absolutely no problem when grown up's choosing belief's for themselves. What I do think is wrong is people being born into religions therefore being brainwashed since birth on what to believe. Then they are simply following other's opinions rather than selecting for themselves. Thats what is such a big nonsense about it, it is just a mass amount of manipulation.

EG - If muslims were taught to eat pork but not beef then thats what they would do and they would avoid beef like the plague, but because its the other way round they choose not to touch pork yet it does no harm, its purely because they are told to.

It would make much more sense for someone to sit down look through ALL religions and pick out the practices THEY think are right or wrong. Then they would get a mix of this and that.

For the last 4 years Ive lived, worked and Im friends with a number of people from different religions. I am quite close to 1 or 2 and they get a sense of freedom and joy when they are with me because I simply dont have to follow their rules. Religion holds people's potential's back, I know a lot of muslims who could go far for themselves and be happier but they 'can not' as they would be 'betraying' their family!!!

PS - East London is Wonderful.....Im a West Ham fan :)

I agree with you,I think maybe 50% of people born into strict religious families are afraid break free,its like a life sentence...it stunts their potential and limits them likr living in abox.
Nice to talk to another West Ham fan, but this is something that i am because of because all my family are and have been for donkey,s years and if i ever turned up at home with a Tottenham scarf on i dread to think what reaction i might get:D Probably have the ICF after me:eek:
Im west ham follower rather than a fan[atic]

[adbasque]

I agree with you,I think maybe 50% of people born into strict religious families are afraid break free,its like a life sentence...it stunts their potential and limits them likr living in abox.
Nice to talk to another West Ham fan, but this is something that i am because of because all my family are and have been for donkey,s years and if i ever turned up at home with a Tottenham scarf on i dread to think what reaction i might get:D Probably have the ICF after me:eek:
Im west ham follower rather than a fan[atic]

Do you realise that football is another distraction, how to entertain the masses?
Not just the football though, almost every major sport is a big distraction, the only ones who benefit from it are the participants, the players, the people who run the clubs and so on ..

Just like the music industry and film industry etc..
So you ditch one religion and you pick another one lol

[clachan]

Do you realise that football is another distraction, how to entertain the masses?
Not just the football though, almost every major sport is a big distraction, the only ones who benefit from it are the participants, the players, the people who run the clubs and so on ..

Just like the music industry and film industry etc..
So you ditch one religion and you pick another one lol

Yes,its true,but Ive encouraged my 2 kids to take an active part in sport as a healthy body contributes to a healthy mind,so it has its positive side.
I must also add that im quite looking forward to England winning the ashes tomorrow:D

[adbasque]

Yes,its true,but Ive encouraged my 2 kids to take an active part in sport as a healthy body contributes to a healthy mind,so it has its positive side.
I must also add that im quite looking forward to England winning the ashes tomorrow:D

I agree with you so long as you are the one practicing it, not just watching others getting healthier and richer :D

Yes it's good for the kids it will keep them out of a lot troubles.
and they will lead a healthy life.

Well done :)

[seanx]

Miracle wrote:

Im a practising Christian, I practise all the time but Im still not very good at it

So why do you feel the need to come on to this forum to spread this mind control program?


is that also part of your programming?

[seanx]

clachan wrote:
Just out of curiousity,whats you take on the "Big Bang" theory ?
I mean,yoy must have considered why nothing just decided to go bang,assuming you agree with the current hypothesis.
I suppose im asking if you think it was "God", "The Force" or whatever,or if it just....happened for no particular reason and we are just an accident.
You wouldn,t beleive how much thought i,ve given this,I started thinking about it when i was aware of the theory....7 or 8 yrs old i think.
I come from a non-religious familly,working class from the east end of London,religion just didn,t happen...ever.
After going as far as i could with thinking i began feeling from my heart,when I was 21 i had 2 very scarey "spiritual" occurencies,one of these was of being led by an unknown entity to the edge of a vast abyss,this entity told me to jump...."jump,,,,jump,,,,,jump" it ordered.I could not.
The question of Gods existence is daft really,its so obvious,my next question was this...."what is the nature of God",religions recon they know that answer so i started looking.
DI can say what he likes and I,ll say ya or na.
Just trying to put my slant on things,I hope you get something from it.

There is cearly an intelligence or Infinite consciousness or God
behind the infinite creation we see all around us ---but what has that
got to do with the Elite's created Christainty!!

[clachan]

clachan wrote:


There is cearly an intelligence or Infinite consciousness or God
behind the infinite creation we see all around us ---but what has that
got to do with the Elite's created Christainty!!

Well,you say the Elites created Christianity,I think Christ did so and his persona was hijacked by the Elites.
Im interested in the nature/persona of that which made me and everything i experience....and ,ofcourse,why.
Jesus said that his Father loves us all and that he would wipe every tear from every eye,I beleive that.
The notion that Christ was invented makes no sense really.

[seanx]

Well,you say the Elites created Christianity,I think Christ did so and his persona was hijacked by the Elites.
Im interested in the nature/persona of that which made me and everything i experience....and ,ofcourse,why.
Jesus said that his Father loves us all and that he would wipe every tear from every eye,I beleive that.
The notion that Christ was invented makes no sense really.

From your post , you automatically assumed because there is a
God that that means Christainity is real.

What nonsense.

How can man's mind, at its present state of awareness, probably
only aware of less then .ooo1 of reality say that it knows what 'God'
is and then tell us exactly what we have to do to appease this God.

We can't.

Your so called form of christianity is only a man made creation
designd to control people .

[gribz]

Thought Id put this here. Im not singling out muslims but just read this in the local news this morning and was disgusted by it. She is a human adult and therefore that qualifies being allowed to drink beer.

http://news.sg.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3537766

Anyway, football may be a distraction but its a bloody good one. One thing ive noticed in the last 2 years is my passion for football in general going up whilst liking and disliking individual teams decreasing. I realise I like football so much so I should actually like all the teams who contribute to the game. Teams I normally dislike such as Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool are giving football supporters passion and enjoyment even though it can end in disappointment, but why take it so serious and hate them! So at full time its history and I look onto the next game.

I still cant wait to watch West Ham stuff Spurs this sunday :D

[tannah]

Thought Id put this here. Im not singling out muslims but just read this in the local news this morning and was disgusted by it. She is a human adult and therefore that qualifies being allowed to drink beer.

http://news.sg.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3537766

Anyway, football may be a distraction but its a bloody good one. One thing ive noticed in the last 2 years is my passion for football in general going up whilst liking and disliking individual teams decreasing. I realise I like football so much so I should actually like all the teams who contribute to the game. Teams I normally dislike such as Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool are giving football supporters passion and enjoyment even though it can end in disappointment, but why take it so serious and hate them! So at full time its history and I look onto the next game.

I still cant wait to watch West Ham stuff Spurs this sunday :D

See? They're caning the wrong people.:D They should be caning these wuss millionaires that trot onto a football pitch and dive around trying to get each other sent off!!

I used to be passionate about football, and still will watch the odd game.
However I must learn to stop laughing when a team score a goal. What makes me laugh is how depressed it makes the opposing fans! I mean, it's a round ball, kicked and chased. Cheer everything dudes, and boo the cheats!

[gribz]

I used to be passionate about football, and still will watch the odd game.
However I must learn to stop laughing when a team score a goal. What makes me laugh is how depressed it makes the opposing fans! I mean, it's a round ball, kicked and chased. Cheer everything dudes, and boo the cheats!

It does get a bit embarrassing when you see grown men in the support swearing and punching the air with aggression when an opposition player comes over to take a corner. It shows how brainwashed people can be by 'their' team, yet if that player later signs for 'their' club they instantly become a hero!

I dont want to take passion away from the game but some aspects of the passion which are like hatred is unbeleivable.

It just goes to show that Football is another religion. But at leasts ist one where people can follow almost by choice and switch off after 90 mins :)

[miracles]

clachan wrote:


There is cearly an intelligence or Infinite consciousness or God
behind the infinite creation we see all around us ---but what has that
got to do with the Elite's created Christainty!!

where is your evidence that the bible was complied by the "Elite: and who are they anyway?

[quetzalcoatl]

where is your evidence that the bible was complied by the "Elite: and who are they anyway?

Many don't understand the trials & tribulations early Christians went through (especially around the time of its formation).. & also, The Bible hasn't always been the 'most popular' of books.. :cool:

[eternal_spirit]

& also, The Bible hasn't always been the 'most popular' of books.. :cool:
It's all some folk talk about on here.

Anyway Miracles what do you think would happen if Icke became a born again Christian?

[quetzalcoatl]

It's all some folk talk about on here.

Wot kind of lame bait is this? :p

[eternal_spirit]

Wot kind of lame bait is this? :p


LOL I'm waiting for Miracles role playing the "Sermon on the mount" Who does he think he is Moses or something?
Guess I'll play devil's advocate.
Like to hear his view on the question he posed with the OP. Unless I missed something.

[pinkfreud]

What would you do if he did?

you do know that's out of the question, considering icke believes that christ never even existed?

[drooh]

Or asking proof that Jesus existed without allowing the bible as evidence. :D

Icke outlines why the Bible isn't reliable evidence of a Jesus existing in The Biggest Secret, talking extensively on Pliny and Piso.

[lottie]

you do know that's out of the question, considering icke believes that christ never even existed?

Its not impossible... everyone can change their mind!!;)

I was also reading in one of his more recent books the other day.. he quoted 'if Jesus did exist...' .. so he does admit he could have existed.. just not the way its portrayed by the religious doctrines!:)

[adbasque]

It does get a bit embarrassing when you see grown men in the support swearing and punching the air with aggression when an opposition player comes over to take a corner. It shows how brainwashed people can be by 'their' team, yet if that player later signs for 'their' club they instantly become a hero!
Yes aggression, why? because if they get all their aggression out in places like these, there's none left to take on the real bastards.

Do you see what I mean?


I dont want to take passion away from the game but some aspects of the passion which are like hatred is unbeleivable.
That also is another tactic a hatred maybe but at a very low level, while people get involved, they even use terms, "we've won" or "we lost"

What did they win exactly? 90 minutes of screaming and sending down cans of beer?
Pay the annual ticket for the others to become rich?


It just goes to show that Football is another religion. But at leasts ist one where people can follow almost by choice and switch off after 90 mins :)

No, they only switch off from screaming, I used to see people in pubs and bars up and down the country, all they talk about is football.
I am only giving football as an example, but I mean almost every sport out there.

Some are into boxing, golf, etc etc..

Now if I go back to your article:

First of all, it all depends on the laws of the land, if the law prohibits any consumption of alcohol, then this person knows what the risks and the punishment, you people have to start to think, that what is acceptable to you is not necessarily acceptable to others.

What you see as normal in other countries it is not, besides she accepted the punishment, I don't think it was forced on her, if she was punished against her will then it shouldn't happen.

You're going to ask who in his right mind would accept a punishment, right?

Well you first need to understand Islam and how muslims regard their faith.

Personally I know that this is wrong, for a start if this country claims to be an Islamic nation, where did the Alcohol come from in the first place?
In that case they should also punish the one who selling it, the one who's either making it or importing it, before attacking the consumer.

This is a stir up, they've always done it, deliberately reporting little things like that, to rally people especially in the west, they aim is to jump into conclusions and blind you from any truth.

I have lived in the Middle east, North Africa, let me tell you, there are more bars open then mosques and that is no lie.

Nobody ever been beaten up or attacked, in some areas bars are open 24/24, and that is no lie, you don't believe me, take a flight to those countries and see for yourself.

Apart Saudi Arabia, where Alcohol is "Illegal" but the rulers travel to the west and get hammered and they probably drink in their own privacy too.

You people have to rise above this and take a look at the whole manipulation.
That is exactly the kind of reaction they want to get out of people.

[adbasque]

Check out this
I don't want to derail this thread but here's a link

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1207401#post1207401

[clachan]

From your post , you automatically assumed because there is a
God that that means Christainity is real.

What nonsense.

How can man's mind, at its present state of awareness, probably
only aware of less then .ooo1 of reality say that it knows what 'God'
is and then tell us exactly what we have to do to appease this God.

We can't.

Your so called form of christianity is only a man made creation
designd to control people .

So, by your own admission you only know .0001% of reality.
So how on Earth can you say with any certainty that Christianity is man made ?
Fact is yiu dont know and only giving your oppinion which i think is half baked.
I will decide on my persuations and leave you to do the same.

[clachan]

where is your evidence that the bible was complied by the "Elite: and who are they anyway?

He [seanx]hasn,t got any evidence and does,nt know who the elite are,its just "The in thing" to repeat. These people think they are of higher conciousness and people like me are fools who need to catch up.....yeh right.

[quetzalcoatl]

Its not impossible... everyone can change their mind!!;)

I was also reading in one of his more recent books the other day.. he quoted 'if Jesus did exist...' .. so he does admit he could have existed.. just not the way its portrayed by the religious doctrines!:)

Exactly! Thus: PinkFreud's statement has little to do with it :p - alas, only proving how next to useless some hypothetical question can be.. ;)

Of-course I see it going way deeper than simply converting to Christianity.. Myself totally believing the words of Christ & that He IS THE WAY - so-much-so that it might simply come down to 'Christ' or 'anti-Christ', of varying degrees.. :eek:

Wouldn't it be completely ironic if it turned out Christ & the Holy-Angles / Guardians (or advanced alien species, whom Christ was a messenger of) were the one's that were looking out for him? & guiding him?? Or even more extreme; Icke was 'still' Christ himself! :eek:

[seanx]

clachan wrote:
So, by your own admission you only know .0001% of reality.
So how on Earth can you say with any certainty that Christianity is man made ?
Fact is yiu dont know and only giving your oppinion which i think is half baked.
I will decide on my persuations and leave you to do the same.

And you know more??

Right now, we perceive less than .ooo1% of reality - and that
includes you too, bud, once you lose your arrogrance.

The Mind of man, at its present level of awareness is less than a
pinprick in the Infinite mind of intelligence - and yet you matrix
Chrisitans can come on here and tell us you know exactly
what this 'God' thinks !!

What amazing arrogrance!

[seanx]

clachan wrote:


He [seanx]hasn,t got any evidence and does,nt know who the elite are,its just "The in thing" to repeat. These people think they are of higher conciousness and people like me are fools who need to catch up.....yeh right.


?????

Evidence??

Read Icle's tales of time loop, Infinite love, or the Biggest Secret.

You'll find it all there to your hearts content!!

It might even wake you up from the Elite's longest-running
and most successful mind control program - matrix christainity.

[clachan]

clachan wrote:





?????

Evidence??

Read Icle's tales of time loop, Infinite love, or the Biggest Secret.

You'll find it all there to your hearts content!!

It might even wake you up from the Elite's longest-running
and most successful mind control program - matrix christainity.

As i thought,you just repeat Icke.
I have read all of those books you mention and more and draw my own conclusions,you seem to just take it as gospel.
People like you go which ever way the wind blows,how daft will you feel if DI has a change of mind ? You,ll be left high and dry unless you seek the truth where ever that leads you.
Do you know where DI gets his info. & ideas ???

[lottie]

Exactly! Thus: PinkFreud's statement has little to do with it :p - alas, only proving how next to useless some hypothetical question can be.. ;)

Of-course I see it going way deeper than simply converting to Christianity.. Myself totally believing the words of Christ & that He IS THE WAY - so-much-so that it might simply come down to 'Christ' or 'anti-Christ', of varying degrees.. :eek:

Wouldn't it be completely ironic if it turned out Christ & the Holy-Angles / Guardians (or advanced alien species, whom Christ was a messenger of) were the one's that were looking out for him? & guiding him?? Or even more extreme; Icke was 'still' Christ himself! :eek:

I just think it would be hilarious if Icke retracted all the religious stuff and said he was wrong and he had infact 'found God' and went on to write books about it!! :D

[clachan]

clachan wrote:
.

And you know more??

Right now, we perceive less than .ooo1% of reality - and that
includes you too, bud, once you lose your arrogrance.

The Mind of man, at its present level of awareness is less than a
pinprick in the Infinite mind of intelligence - and yet you matrix
Chrisitans can come on here and tell us you know exactly
what this 'God' thinks !!

What amazing arrogrance!
I never said i new more did i ?
Iam not arrogant,more like logical & straight forward.
Iam not a matrix christian,just ya average block who wants some truth.
I never said i new exactly what God thinks.
It seems you have a set programme which you are trying to fit me into,you cant fit a football into a golf ball.

[tannah]

So, by your own admission you only know .0001% of reality.
So how on Earth can you say with any certainty that Christianity is man made ?
Fact is yiu dont know and only giving your oppinion which i think is half baked.
I will decide on my persuations and leave you to do the same.

That 00001% includes the idea of beleiving a God, as portrayed in the bible, kills babies dude. So no, good effort people of biblical days, but one needs to keep up the real search.

[quetzalcoatl]

I just think it would be hilarious if Icke retracted all the religious stuff and said he was wrong and he had infact 'found God' and went on to write books about it!! :D

Yup! definitely fuck-up some of his followers, das for sure! :D - & besides something tells me 'full-retractions' ain't Ickes style.. ;)

Guess the key is discerning between the message of Christ & all the Spiritual mis-conceptions that come along with modern Religion. :)

Be silly to 'throw the baby out with the bath-water', per-se.. ;)

[seanx]

lottie wrote:
I just think it would be hilarious if Icke retracted all the religious stuff and said he was wrong and he had infact 'found God' and went on to write books about it!!

Found God??

All his books are about God.

And that each and everyone of us is God, Infinite Consciousness
individualized.

What Icke is trying to do is to wake people up from the sick
religions that the Elite have created to steer people AWAY from this.
Away from the infinite power and goodness that is within everybody.

So they create a 'Jesus' - something EXTERNAL to yourself , a figure
you must OBEY - AND if you obey and repent to him and follow him
( ie. the Elite) you will be SAVED!


And if you don't, you'll be destroyed and sent to eternal hell.

Pure fear.

Iit is the oldest mind-control program in the world.

And it has fuck all to do with God. or Infinite Awareness.

[seanx]

clachan wrote

never said i new more did i ?
Iam not arrogant,more like logical & straight forward.
Iam not a matrix christian,just ya average block who wants some truth.
I never said i new exactly what God thinks.
It seems you have a set programme which you are trying to fit me into,you cant fit a football into a golf ball.

You are on here promoting this matrix christianity stuff that has kept
the world in the elite's matrix for centuries.

All i'm asking you is how do you know what God is and expecially
the nonsense that the Bible is the word of this Infinite being, whose
infinite nature none of us can hardly comprehend.

[flickflack]

Unfortunately, I don't think that David Icke will ever convert to Christianity. He doesn't like religion, although some of his views my be similar to those who are Buddhists. This does not mean that Mr. Icke is a buddhist, but if it's one religion he has similar views with, it's Buddhism, imo.

[clachan]

clachan wrote



You are on here promoting this matrix christianity stuff that has kept
the world in the elite's matrix for centuries.

All i'm asking you is how do you know what God is and expecially
the nonsense that the Bible is the word of this Infinite being, whose
infinite nature none of us can hardly comprehend.

You,re off again on the same programme...
Im not promoting any thing at all,just giving my take on things,I have absolutely no interest in converting people to my world veiw.
I will however defend myself from people like you who pounce on me and try to rubbish my ideas;re. your post 49 ,you just waded in on the offensive.
Somewhere in the bible it says no man can see god yet live which addresses your final point.

[seanx]

clachan wrote:
You,re off again on the same programme...
Im not promoting any thing at all,just giving my take on things,I have absolutely no interest in converting people to my world veiw.
I will however defend myself from people like you who pounce on me and try to rubbish my ideas;re. your post 49 ,you just waded in on the offensive.

It's just a simple question.

You said you are one of these born again people. So you believe Jesus
is the way and the only way to God and salvation?

How do you and the rest of your matrix christains like Miracle
know the Infinite mind of God?

That you can determine that 1. we need 'saving' and 2. that Jesus is
the only way to God



Somewhere in the bible it says no man can see god yet live which addresses your final point.

And so because it says this in the bible, you accept it - and believe
this is the way it this?

Don't you see how you are being controlled?

You have been sold the idea by the Elite that the Bible is the word
of God - and once they have you believing that - the
rest is simple.

it's a giant con-job.

Christainity and all the other man -made religions have nothing to do
with God or the eternity of life, the eternity of consciousness.

They are simply plots to keep people's focus away from THEMSELVES,
away from their real source of power.

[stfd]

clachan wrote:


It's just a simple question.

You said you are one of these born again people. So you believe Jesus
is the way and the only way to God and salvation?

How do you and the rest of your matrix christains like Miracle
know the Infinite mind of God?

That you can determine that 1. we need 'saving' and 2. that Jesus is
the only way to God





And so because it says this in the bible, you accept it - and believe
this is the way it this?

Don't you see how you are being controlled?

You have been sold the idea by the Elite that the Bible is the word
of God - and once they have you believing that - the
rest is simple.

it's a giant con-job.

Christainity and all the other man -made religions have nothing to do
with God or the eternity of life, the eternity of consciousness.

They are simply plots to keep people's focus away from THEMSELVES,
away from their real source of power.

sorry man, the info you think you got is actually disinfo.
giev it another try...

[clachan]

clachan wrote:


It's just a simple question.

You said you are one of these born again people. So you believe Jesus
is the way and the only way to God and salvation?

How do you and the rest of your matrix christains like Miracle
know the Infinite mind of God?

That you can determine that 1. we need 'saving' and 2. that Jesus is
the only way to God





And so because it says this in the bible, you accept it - and believe
this is the way it this?

Don't you see how you are being controlled?

You have been sold the idea by the Elite that the Bible is the word
of God - and once they have you believing that - the
rest is simple.

it's a giant con-job.

Christainity and all the other man -made religions have nothing to do
with God or the eternity of life, the eternity of consciousness.

They are simply plots to keep people's focus away from THEMSELVES,
away from their real source of power.

There you go again,the same programme played over again...
I said i was "a born again person".?????????????...I dont belong to any sect/church/religious cult,,,,nothing. You then go on from that to assume what i beleive.
My world veiw originates from my own mind and heart,I think Ive made it prfectly clear what my veiws are on Roman catholisism,JW,s ect.
All i can really say to you is .Iam free, Iam me...
My life style and adventures vouch for that.Im a free spirit but you are trying to put me in box i dont belong in.
I beleive in Jesus Christ,the light of the world....end of. You can beleive what you like,I have no prbs with that at all,it is obvious that you dont want to afford me the same freedom.

[marpat]

What would you do if he did?

Why would he convert to a religion that he considers a complete fabrication?

[clachan]

Why would he convert to a religion that he considers a complete fabrication?

Why would a top TV presenter through away a well paid,cushy job to tell you and i the world is run by lizards ?
People often surprise.

[stfd]

There you go again,the same programme played over again...
I said i was "a born again person".?????????????...I dont belong to any sect/church/religious cult,,,,nothing. You then go on from that to assume what i beleive.
My world veiw originates from my own mind and heart,I think Ive made it prfectly clear what my veiws are on Roman catholisism,JW,s ect.
All i can really say to you is .Iam free, Iam me...
My life style and adventures vouch for that.Im a free spirit but you are trying to put me in box i dont belong in.
I beleive in Jesus Christ,the light of the world....end of. You can beleive what you like,I have no prbs with that at all,it is obvious that you dont want to afford me the same freedom.

+1

And then he goes pointing fingers saying it is i who wants to get him to believe they way i do and stuff - pathetic

[schaff]

I just think it would be hilarious if Icke retracted all the religious stuff and said he was wrong and he had infact 'found God' and went on to write books about it!! :D
Me too.Its strange cuz in all his others books he says "jesus who never really existed" so the fact that he suggesting he did exist could just be one of his biggest u-turns yet.Come on icke its time to see the light.:D

[adbasque]

Why would he convert to a religion that he considers a complete fabrication?

Because he is just a human being who could change his mind like any other human being, maybe one day he'll discover that he was wrong, or partly wrong etc.. there are many reasons why a person would change their minds.

Good enough reasons?

[mrmoney]

Well, let's see....

If you READ Icke's books, some of his main reptilian evidence comes from the Bible, the Book of Enoch and other scripture. So frankly, if those are his sources of evidence, I wouldn't be surprised if he converted.

I think his point is that loads of different religions tell the same basic story, and so, no particular religion is superior to another, and so, supporting one religion would be illogical.

[seanx]

stfd wrote:
sorry man, the info you think you got is actually disinfo.
giev it another try...

REALLY,mate.

What part is disinfro?

If you can put your arrogrance aside for a minute, maybe you
could enlighten us?

I doubt it.

You guys are usually all wind and piss. All front and no substance.

[stfd]

stfd wrote:


REALLY,mate.

What part is disinfro?

If you can put your arrogrance aside for a minute, maybe you
could enlighten us?

I doubt it.

You guys are usually all wind and piss. All front and no substance.

Not a part , ALL of it is disinfo.
Nothing based on anything in there, is just stuff slapped together in order to denigrate.
And denigrating you are, you are denigrating all carying the Christian name.
No arogance involved, just the truth.

[seanx]

Originally Posted by clachan
There you go again,the same programme played over again...
I said i was "a born again person".?????????????...I dont belong to any sect/church/religious cult,,,,nothing. You then go on from that to assume what i beleive.
My world veiw originates from my own mind and heart,I think Ive made it prfectly clear what my veiws are on Roman catholisism,JW,s ect.
All i can really say to you is .Iam free, Iam me...
My life style and adventures vouch for that.Im a free spirit but you are trying to put me in box i dont belong in.
I beleive in Jesus Christ,the light of the world....end of. You can beleive what you like,I have no prbs with that at all,it is obvious that you dont want to afford me the same freedom.

What bullshit.

You say: I beleive in Jesus Christ,the light of the world....end of.

I have no problem with that. You can believe what you want.

But then you claim that because I asked you a simple question
challenging your belief, somehow that means I'm stopping you
believing that.

What a cop-out.

The question was simple:

You believe Jesus is the way to God and
salvation?

sO ...How do you and the rest of your matrix christains like Miracle
know the Infinite mind of God?

That you can determine that 1. we need 'saving' and 2. that Jesus is
the only way to God

[clachan]

Now you resort to insults,I saw it coming from your first post.

[stfd]

lol i think we got him pissed :D

[seanx]

stfd wrote:

Not a part , ALL of it is disinfo.
Nothing based on anything in there, is just stuff slapped together in order to denigrate.
And denigrating you are, you are denigrating all carying the Christian name.
No arogance involved, just the truth.

That is pitiful.

You said I was giving out disinfro.

Back up your claim ....and the best you can do is the above
nonsense.

So it seems it is disinfro.....simply because you say so!!

What pathetic arrogance!

As I said before you posted ....all you guys are all wind and piss.
All front and no substance.

Go away and stop wasting people's time.

[stfd]

stfd wrote:



That is pitiful.

You said I was giving out disinfro.

Back up your claim ....and the best you can do is the above
nonsense.

So it seems it is disinfro.....simply because you say so!!

What pathetic arrogance!

As I said before you posted ....all you guys are all wind and piss.
All front and no substance.

Go away and stop wasting people's time.

I was thinking the same thing of you but i chose not to say it out of the simplest form of respect.
That even thogh you(and those like you) are deliberatly spreading lies and deceit AND constantly offend me with ridiculous insults.

keep it up!

[seanx]

clachan wrote:
Now you resort to insults,I saw it coming from your first post.

Another cop-out!

So questioning your belief is now an insult.

Do you understand what an open-mined forum like this forum is for??

It is for questioning all the Elite's beliefs and religious programs
that have kept human consciousness entrapped for ages.

[seanx]

stfd wrote

I was thinking the same thing of you but i chose to say it out of the simplest form of respect.
That even thogh you(and those like you) are deliberatly spreading lies and deceit AND constantly offend me with ridiculous insults.

keep it up!

Nice diversion.

But you still won't tell me what part is disinfro?

Maybe you could enlighten us....but you seem very reluctant to...

I wonder why?

[stfd]

clachan wrote:


Another cop-out!

So questioning your belief is now an insult.

Do you understand what an open-mined forum like this forum is for??

It is for questioning all the Elite's beliefs and religious programs
that have kept human consciousness entrapped for ages.

One's faith or belief is an integral PART of his self.
Therefore one gets personally insulted and offended when another literally attacks that 'part' . Is it THAT difficult?

Besides I for example am no 'elite' or whatever , just some simple guy.
And there is no 'program' and my 'consciousness' (such and overrated word) isn't trapped - where did you get that from ? Zeitgest? lol ...

[marpat]

Why would a top TV presenter through away a well paid,cushy job to tell you and i the world is run by lizards ?
People often surprise.

I guess he would have to take back all the negative statements he made about christian religion. I guess it really is possible but how likely?

[clachan]

What bullshit.

You say: I beleive in Jesus Christ,the light of the world....end of.

I have no problem with that. You can believe what you want.

But then you claim that because I asked you a simple question
challenging your belief, somehow that means I'm stopping you
believing that.

What a cop-out.

The question was simple:

You believe Jesus is the way to God and
salvation?

sO ...How do you and the rest of your matrix christains like Miracle
know the Infinite mind of God?

That you can determine that 1. we need 'saving' and 2. that Jesus is
the only way to God

Let me correct you.....again,
I beleive the teachings of Christ are divinely inspired and are a moral and social framework which if followed would lead to a much,much better planet to inhabit.
Once again[yawn] I am not arrogant enough to assume i know the mind of God.
We do need saving,have,nt you noticed the amount of enviromental destruction,wars,famines ect which show no sign of stopping ?
I do not know if JC is the only way to God,where did I say that,it is my way to God and that is my choice.
Why are you baiting Miracles whilst replying to my posts,are you looking for a fight ?
Again you are putting words in my mouth,and now resorting to insults which cuts no ice with me.

[clachan]

I guess he would have to take back all the negative statements he made about christian religion. I guess it really is possible but how likely?

I wouldn,t bet my house on it:D

[stfd]

stfd wrote



Nice diversion.

But you still won't tell me what part is disinfro?

Maybe you could enlighten us....but you seem very reluctant to...

I wonder why?


Budy, is all disinfo - ALL of it. I wasnt reffering to a part of it in particular.
I am not reluctant, just tired of repeating the same patern with you guys ...

If youre so interested check some other threads where i've gone through this many many times.

[clachan]

clachan wrote:


Another cop-out!

So questioning your belief is now an insult.

Do you understand what an open-mined forum like this forum is for??

It is for questioning all the Elite's beliefs and religious programs
that have kept human consciousness entrapped for ages.

If i had apenny for every hour i spent reading DI id have enough money to take my familly to euro disney for a month.
How am i programmed by the elite ?
Its not an insult to quiz my ideas,its the other remarks im refereing to,you twist and turn like wounded snake

[rydeon]

What's the point in asking a silly hypothetical question like this when Icke has repeatedly stated that Christianity is an Illuminati conspiracy?



I think he was meaning the Vatican / Catholicism on that one.

[seanx]

stfd wrote;

Budy, is all disinfo - ALL of it. I wasnt reffering to a part of it in particular.
I am not reluctant, just tired of repeating the same patern with you guys ...

If youre so interested check some other threads where i've gone through this many many times.

God bless your arrogrance!

just tired of repeating the same patern with you guys Y

Really, mate! So why come to a forum where you believe all
the main ideas are totally disinfor.

Are you here to 'save' us??

more of this christain 'programming' coming to the fore? This need
to save people from their ignorance.

Good night

[clachan]

stfd wrote;



God bless your arrogrance!



Really, mate! So why come to a forum where you believe all
the main ideas are totally disinfor.

Are you here to 'save' us??

more of this christain 'programming' coming to the fore? This need
to save people from their ignorance.

Good night

How lame.

[seanx]

How lame.

Well coming from someone who won't answer a simple question
about his Jesus religion - that's saying something!

I've just be reading some of stfd's posts and they are meaningless
nonsense.

You can always smell a bullshitter a mile away!

[seanx]

How lame.


You're clearly a bullshitter yourself - who can't tolerate his beliefs
(programs!) being challenged.

You're on the wrong forum mate, if that is the case.

Can I sugest the christain girls knitting forum? They are all very
meek and mild there - with not a hint of aggresion.

But how very lame of me to suggest such a thing!

[tannah]

Well coming from someone who won't answer a simple question
about his Jesus religion - that's saying something!

I've just be reading some of stfd's posts and they are meaningless
nonsense.

You can always smell a bullshitter a mile away!



stfd just feels chuffed he believes in Jesus and isn't going to hell.:D
Obviously having his boat rocked by reasonable debate is disinfo to him.

[clachan]

You're clearly a bullshitter yourself - who can't tolerate his beliefs
(programs!) being challenged.

You're on the wrong forum mate, if that is the case.

Can I sugest the christain girls knitting forum? They are all very
meek and mild there - with not a hint of aggresion.

But how very lame of me to suggest such a thing!

Big yawn:D
Trolls a real bore.

[seanx]

Big yawn
Trolls a real bore.

Go spread your 'Jesus will save us all show' somewhere else.

Every few months you guys appear, try to save us all by saying
Jesus is divinely insired and is the way.....but then fuck all..
when no-buys your 'program'.

Or at least have the balls to defend your nonsense since
you came to this forum.

[miracles]

Go spread your 'Jesus will save us all show' somewhere else.

Every few months you guys appear, try to save us all by saying
Jesus is divinely insired and is the way.....but then fuck all..
when no-buys your 'program'.

Or at least have the balls to defend your nonsense since
you came to this forum.

Oh my now there's a contender for salvation if ever I saw one :D

[clachan]

Let me correct you.....again,
I beleive the teachings of Christ are divinely inspired and are a moral and social framework which if followed would lead to a much,much better planet to inhabit.
Once again[yawn] I am not arrogant enough to assume i know the mind of God.
We do need saving,have,nt you noticed the amount of enviromental destruction,wars,famines ect which show no sign of stopping ?
I do not know if JC is the only way to God,where did I say that,it is my way to God and that is my choice.
Why are you baiting Miracles whilst replying to my posts,are you looking for a fight ?
Again you are putting words in my mouth,and now resorting to insults which cuts no ice with me.

Seanx.....If you had one more brain cell you would be a sausage roll,please read the above again....you can read cant you?
:D

[clachan]

You,re off again on the same programme...
Im not promoting any thing at all,just giving my take on things,I have absolutely no interest in converting people to my world veiw.
I will however defend myself from people like you who pounce on me and try to rubbish my ideas;re. your post 49 ,you just waded in on the offensive.
Somewhere in the bible it says no man can see god yet live which addresses your final point.

Seanx.....read this again too,another post addressed to you which you,ve just ignored.

[clachan]

I never said i new more did i ?
Iam not arrogant,more like logical & straight forward.
Iam not a matrix christian,just ya average block who wants some truth.
I never said i new exactly what God thinks.
It seems you have a set programme which you are trying to fit me into,you cant fit a football into a golf ball.

And this.

[clachan]

Go spread your 'Jesus will save us all show' somewhere else.

Every few months you guys appear, try to save us all by saying
Jesus is divinely insired and is the way.....but then fuck all..
when no-buys your 'program'.

Or at least have the balls to defend your nonsense since
you came to this forum.

You are either insane or drunk or both.
Im not spreading anything,and even if i were you dont eat ALL you are fed do you ?
I dont want to save you,Im sure you can do that youself.
I have answered all your posts with respect to yourself. You say to me "defend your nonsense"....defence is a tactic adopted when attacked which is all you do.....drunk and aggresive in my oppinion.

[seanx]

clachan wrote:

You are either insane or drunk or both.
Im not spreading anything,and even if i were you dont eat ALL you are fed do you ?
I dont want to save you,Im sure you can do that youself.
I have answered all your posts with respect to yourself. You say to me "defend your nonsense"....defence is a tactic adopted when attacked which is all you do.....drunk and aggresive in my oppinion.

Stop wasting my time, mate.

You feign amazement that someone on a debating forum should
question your statement when you say that jesus is our divinely
inspired leader and way to salvation.

Now, if this makes you happy and feel safe, I'm delighted for you -
but, since this is the DI forum where you, no doubt know his views
on the evil of your religion - why are you so surprised that people
want to question you on these ideas.

Instead you think people must be 'drunk' or insane' if they should
have the nerve to question you ......on debating forum!!

You and your fellow matrix Christain, Miracle make a great pair!

[clachan]

clachan wrote:



Stop wasting my time, mate.

You feign amazement that someone on a debating forum should
question your statement when you say that jesus is our divinely
inspired leader and way to salvation.

Now, if this makes you happy and feel safe, I'm delighted for you -
but, since this is the DI forum where you, no doubt know his views
on the evil of your religion - why are you so surprised that people
want to question you on these ideas.

Instead you think people must be 'drunk' or insane' if they should
have the nerve to question you ......on debating forum!!

You and your fellow matrix Christain, Miracle make a great pair!

You are wasting your own time,"mate"
You only repeat what DI thinks,I have only responded to the lame arguments you present in an honest manner,yet you dragged it down to a dog fight...I just hope the likes of you never gain any power,if you were a politition you,d be a war monger.
Look, you came onto this thread to start trouble but thats OK,Ive slaughtered you so far.

[seanx]

You are wasting your own time,"mate"
You only repeat what DI thinks,I have only responded to the lame arguments you present in an honest manner,yet you dragged it down to a dog fight...I just hope the likes of you never gain any power,if you were a politition you,d be a war monger.
Look, you came onto this thread to start trouble but thats OK,Ive slaughtered you so far.

it is amazing how all these matrix christains think alike.

That if you think Icke's ideas make sense, then you are nothing
more than a blind follower of him.

Sorry, mate - but that is your Christain programming coming
to the fore again.

Blindly following Jesus hoping he'll save you.

You're a time waster, mate - with nothing to offer....just
the usual, meaningless religious spin-lines.

[clachan]

it is amazing how all these matrix christains think alike.

That if you think Icke's ideas make sense, then you are nothing
more than a blind follower of him.

Sorry, mate - but that is your Christain programming coming
to the fore again.

Blindly following Jesus hoping he'll save you.

You're a time waster, mate - with nothing to offer....just
the usual, meaningless religious spin-lines.

Lame.

[adbasque]

debate is going nowhere it's turning into personal attacks:rolleyes:

Come on guys you both can do better than that :D

I know I am going to be bombarded now lol

[clachan]

debate is going nowhere it's turning into personal attacks:rolleyes:

Come on guys you both can do better than that :D

I know I am going to be bombarded now lol

You are right,seanx has got this debate where he always wanted it,in the gutter.
A rebel without any particular cause.....an angry young man who just wants conflict,it the likes of him who are responsible for much hurt in todays world
I,d rather be mates,but some people just get off on conflict.....why doesn,t he take up football hooliganism or something ?

[adbasque]

You are right,seanx has got this debate where he always wanted it,in the gutter.
A rebel without any particular cause.....an angry young man who just wants conflict,it the likes of him who are responsible for much hurt in todays world
I,d rather be mates,but some people just get off on conflict.....why doesn,t he take up football hooliganism or something ?

I guess we should stop looking at each other as potential enimies, we really should bury our differences and get together, we have one same enemy, why not join forces.

The sad thing is, you sound a pretty decent good guy, and I know seanx is a nice bloke, so I am sure if we all put our differences and really stop looking at each other as enemies we can get somewhere.

Isn't it the purpose of us all being on this forum?

[clachan]

I guess we should stop looking at each other as potential enimies, we really should bury our differences and get together, we have one same enemy, why not join forces.

The sad thing is, you sound a pretty decent good guy, and I know seanx is a nice bloke, so I am sure if we all put our differences and really stop looking at each other as enemies we can get somewhere.

Isn't it the purpose of us all being on this forum?

Yes,sometimes we take ourslves too seriously,we need more laughter.
Good luck adbasque,go well and always be a peace maker...its the most important job in the world.

[quetzalcoatl]

So in going with Ickes conclusions :- All Religion is MK & designed to 'hold us down', the Bible is a complete fabrication etc etc.. Does that mean most of us have 'bought a lie', of massive proportions?? - could it be then that the depictions of the 'Snake in the Garden' or the 'Old serpent Dragon' in the Bible are in-fact 'Powerful Delusions' meant to deceive the world & man-kind?? & that Reptilian / Dragon expressions are in-fact totally benevolent??? :confused:

Ooops! - I found some more hypocrisy?? :rolleyes:

[miracles]

So in going with Ickes conclusions :- All Religion is MK & designed to 'hold us down', the Bible is a complete fabrication etc etc.. Does that mean most of us have 'bought a lie', of massive proportions?? - could it be then that the depictions of the 'Snake in the Garden' or the 'Old serpent Dragon' in the Bible are in-fact 'Powerful Delusions' meant to deceive the world & man-kind?? & that Reptilian / Dragon expressions are in-fact totally benevolent??? :confused:

Ooops! - I found some more hypocrisy?? :rolleyes:


Gidday Q.

The thing is I believe if anyone including myself, who has bought this so called lie, was presented with compelling evidence and compelling facts, I would take it on board. The fact of the matter is, as you know, they dont have a sceric of evidence, they are all deciples of crowley and blavatsky, hardly stellar examples of one whom one could trust to expose a lie huh?

On the one hand they blaspheme the bible and the God of the bible and then they have the audacity to quote scripture presenting satan/lucifer/the devil as our great saviour and marvelous light. It's the biggest joke of the century. Bigger than evolution even. These people are not only blind they are bordering on delusional insanity. I've come to the conclusion that there are a great many people in this forum who are totally insane and how they get their fingers onto a keyboard to structure a sentence is a miracle. "automatic satanic writing? probably. :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Gidday Q.

The thing is I believe if anyone including myself, who has bought this so called lie, was presented with compelling evidence and compelling facts, I would take it on board. The fact of the matter is, as you know, they dont have a sceric of evidence, they are all deciples of crowley and blavatsky, hardly stellar examples of one whom one could trust to expose a lie huh?

On the one hand they blaspheme the bible and the God of the bible and then they have the audacity to quote scripture presenting satan/lucifer/the devil as our great saviour and marvelous light. It's the biggest joke of the century. Bigger than evolution even. These people are not only blind they are bordering on delusional insanity. I've come to the conclusion that there are a great many people in this forum who are totally insane and how they get their fingers onto a keyboard to structure a sentence is a miracle. "automatic satanic writing? probably. :D

LOL! automatic satanic writing.. :D indeed there are some sick individuals here.. - the problem is they don't know it! I'm not being a coward here either.. cuz if I see it, I do usually speak-up against it! ;) - unless I think they are 'too far gone'.. :eek:

Absolutely Miracles! - the hypocrisy is disgustingly rife! we are totally not alone in this tho.. ;) indeed alot of it is extremely 'conspirataining'! :D

Cool avatar BTW.. gotta keep that snake in check.. ;)

[miracles]

LOL! automatic satanic writing.. :D indeed there are some sick individuals here.. - the problem is they don't know it! I'm not being a coward here either.. cuz if I see it, I do usually speak-up against it! ;) - unless I think they are 'too far gone'.. :eek:

Absolutely Miracles! - the hypocrisy is disgustingly rife! we are totally not alone in this tho.. ;) indeed alot of it is extremely 'conspirataining'! :D

Cool avatar BTW.. gotta keep that snake in check.. ;)

AHHHHHHHH. nice to speak to sanity and reason. :D

[quetzalcoatl]

AHHHHHHHH. nice to speak sanity and reason. :D

I'm doing my best man! :D

[tjohn]

Sorry but no Muslims arent the easy target, its just the majority of religious people I know are muslims hence why i used that example.

And they are far from an easy target in my opinion, i happen to get on great with them. The perception they get in the UK and US from the mainstream media is wrong. Most of the guys are better to get on with than my own friends in the UK.I agree that there are some nice 'Muslim' people. It's religion I don't like, not the people, unless they are extremists of course and even then, in a way I still love them because they are human - very misled but human underneath if only they knew it.


Well, I notice your avatar and if that is a picture of your face, you are a very beautiful looking woman! Hope you don't mind me saying that. :)

So... shouldn't you be covering your face so as not to offend/tempt Muslim men?

Couldn't resist. :D

[tjohn]

... These people are not only blind they are bordering on delusional insanity. I've come to the conclusion that there are a great many people in this forum who are totally insane and how they get their fingers onto a keyboard to structure a sentence is a miracle. "automatic satanic writing? probably. :DLike those who wrote the Bible? Who wrote the Bible, God? Is the Bible the infallible Word of God? Ooops, the Muslims would not agree and ooops, you would claim that your God made us all. And ooops, your 'perfect' God must have made a mistake because 'he' allowed the despicable act of sacrificing 'his' Son to save us!

Sunshine (pun intended), you have it wrong.


Most likely too deep for you to understand at the moment but may the warmth of photons and light, warm your present self-righteous heart from the Sun and other Stars which are all the manifestation of a Mind, which is God.

You say be warned but I say be warmed.

Love you,
John

[seanx]

Reading miracles and quetzalcoatl posts to each other, you can only
marvel and admire the mind-programming skills of the Elite!

How they can create a program over centuries, and use it to
control people's ideas and beliefs without people knowing that
they are being controlled is truely awesome.

Here's an idea for you lads: G-d or Infinite Consciousness IS. It is
BEING. NOW. It is onmipresence and omnipotent.

So, here is the shocking thing: It doesn't need a Holy Book or
a man-made religious control structure to survive or be.

And it doesn';t need to threaten people with eternal hell
or damnation if they won't obey and do what they are told.

As your 'God' seems to need to do it.

Could it be that this 'God' is just a creation of the Elite to control
and manipualte your behaviour ?

[quetzalcoatl]

Reading miracles and quetzalcoatl posts to each other, you can only
marvel and admire the mind-programming skills of the Elite!

How they can create a program over centuries, and use it to
control people's ideas and beliefs without people knowing that
they are being controlled is truely awesome.

Here's an idea for you lads: G-d or Infinite Consciousness IS. It is
BEING. NOW. It is onmipresence and omnipotent.

So, here is the shocking thing: It doesn't need a Holy Book or
a man-made religious control structure to survive or be.

And it doesn';t need to threaten people with eternal hell
or damnation if they won't obey and do what they are told.

As your 'God' seems to need to do it.

Could it be that this 'God' is just a creation of the Elite to control
and manipualte your behaviour ?

Ya gonna have to do better than that to mask your hate pal.. :)

How bout ya go get yourself a clue? ;)

[fallensoul]

"Earthlings I am the creator of all, but I lack a bit of funding so would you collect ALOT of money for me, also even tho I am omnipresent people somehow miss my existence so would you please be kind to write a book so they could find about the marvels I posses, and NEVER QUESTION ME, OBEY!"

I think a real god would be more like

"Look around I am there, now live in peace and love one another, I don't need money, I don't need worship, I don't need priests, I don't need books for books are man made, books are not eternal, but I am."

But hey, who knows!

[tannah]

"Earthlings I am the creator of all, but I lack a bit of funding so would you collect ALOT of money for me, also even tho I am omnipresent people somehow miss my existence so would you please be kind to write a book so they could find about the marvels I posses, and NEVER QUESTION ME, OBEY!"

I think a real god would be more like

"Look around I am there, now live in peace and love one another, I don't need money, I don't need worship, I don't need priests, I don't need books for books are man made, books are not eternal, but I am."

But hey, who knows!

I get your angle, and it is far more reasonable than the first example you gave!

[tjohn]

Reading miracles and quetzalcoatl posts to each other, you can only marvel and admire the mind-programming skills of the Elite!

How they can create a program over centuries, and use it to control people's ideas and beliefs without people knowing that they are being controlled is truely awesome.

Here's an idea for you lads: G-d or Infinite Consciousness IS. It is

BEING. NOW. It is onmipresence and omnipotent.

So, here is the shocking thing: It doesn't need a Holy Book or a man-made religious control structure to survive or be.

And it doesn't need to threaten people with eternal hell or damnation if they won't obey and do what they are told.

As your 'God' seems to need to do it.

Could it be that this 'God' is just a creation of the Elite to control and manipulate your behaviour?Oh yes it 'could' be! However, some are waking up. :) ;)

[adbasque]

Gidday Q.

The thing is I believe if anyone including myself, who has bought this so called lie, was presented with compelling evidence and compelling facts, I would take it on board. The fact of the matter is, as you know, they dont have a sceric of evidence, they are all deciples of crowley and blavatsky, hardly stellar examples of one whom one could trust to expose a lie huh?

On the one hand they blaspheme the bible and the God of the bible and then they have the audacity to quote scripture presenting satan/lucifer/the devil as our great saviour and marvelous light. It's the biggest joke of the century. Bigger than evolution even. These people are not only blind they are bordering on delusional insanity. I've come to the conclusion that there are a great many people in this forum who are totally insane and how they get their fingers onto a keyboard to structure a sentence is a miracle. "automatic satanic writing? probably. :D

So true, yes You read some crazy things here, Lucifer and Satan are good guys and God is evil unbelievable :D

I think it's sick even if it was put as a joke.

[tjohn]

Ya gonna have to do better than that to mask your hate pal.. :)

How bout ya go get yourself a clue? ;)How about your get yourself a clue? It is religion that masks hate.

All in all, I don't see how you can deny that, not unless you are brainwashed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFYwww.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFY)

[quetzalcoatl]

How about your get yourself a clue? It is religion that masks hate.

All in all I don't see how you can deny it, not unless you are brainwashed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFY


Firstly, I have never denied this, quite the contrary.. Secondly, I am not religious.. Thirdly, not all religious people are completely brain-washed, some are in-fact quite Spiritual, virtuous, honorable & intelligent people.. Which is exceedingly more than I can say about people whom erroneously jump to conclusions & spit vile & hate @ others weakly guised in the form of showering 'rousing-advice' from their 'spiritual high-horse'.. :mad:

Just maybe you should check your facts mate, before you take up a cause you have no idea about.. ;)

Any-other clueless people wanna have a go? :D

[biblegirl]

The Bible ( the word of God). You're not a christian if you are not born again. The bible is Christianity, not the "Church" the true church are born again.

Jhn 3:3 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=3&t=KJV#3)Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:7 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=7&t=KJV#7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1Pe 1:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Pe&c=1&v=23&t=KJV#23)Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The whole premise of the bible is that we are all corruptible seed and that we must be born again into the incorruptile through Christ.

Which is why Christians do not agree with this "self created Christ conciouness" Nonesense. Why? Because it is not a biblical teaching.

I think the born again thing has been quite misunderstood...for one thing it really doesn't make any sense to a person who assumes or is told he will only have one life to live (Nicodemus couldn't understand it either)....so Christianity attempts to explain what this means, and promotes a ritual to ensure someone's born again status. Imo this explanation and its accompanying ritual are manmade, and out of context with what Jesus was referring to. Taken literally we see this born again business is not all that complicated, and has been already understood worlwide for thousands of years: reincarnation. *runs and dodges flying fruit*



EG - If muslims were taught to eat pork but not beef then thats what they would do and they would avoid beef like the plague, but because its the other way round they choose not to touch pork yet it does no harm, its purely because they are told to.


Whether or not the muslims know it, what they are doing by abstaining from pork is preserving their DNA. This along with many other beneficial practices can be found in religion, but you don't have to be in that religion to understand or abstain from certain things, you can find out in other ways how corrupt these things are (ie. immunizations, abortions, etc.). When I fly overseas I order the kosher meal lol! because IMO it is superior to the standard meal in terms of artificial additives. I also do not eat pork, but this is completely from a health point of view, not religious. Certainly does not mean I will be joining a religion because of a few truths, but I at least acknowledge that they have some things correct!

Many don't understand the trials & tribulations early Christians went through (especially around the time of its formation).. & also, The Bible hasn't always been the 'most popular' of books.. :cool:

Through this forum I was given the impression that it was popular among the masons. Then I found this:

Here's an excerpt from:

Christianity, Masonry not compatible. Definitions of God pose fundamental difference.
[03/13/93, The Press-Enterprise Riverside, CA]

Regarding the identity of God, in Scottish Rite Masonry, the 13th degree is that of the Royal Arch.
In it, the alleged true, previously hidden name of God is revealed as Jabulum.

"The Encyclopedia of Freemasonry," affirms this, under the entry for Jabulum; in the definition of Bel, it says, "Bel is the contracted form of Baal, worshipped by the Babylonians and was introduced, with Jah and Oh, into the Royal Arch system as a representative of the name of God. Jah represents the name Jehovah, Bel represents Baal, and Oh represents Osiris.

Jim Shaw, former 33 Degree Mason, says that Masonry is not based on the Bible referred to as "The Great Light", but on the Kabbalah

Cabala

a medieval book of mysticism and magic. Masonic authority Henry Wilson Coil admits that the Kabala's teachings can be seen in some of the mystical and philosophical degrees of Masonry.

Albert Pike, the man responsible for the re-estabilished Scottish Rite degrees into their actual form, said that the Masonic search-after-light leads directly back to the Kabala, the ultimate source of Masonic beliefs. See: Morals and Dogma .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1211113&postcount=126

you do know that's out of the question, considering icke believes that christ never even existed?

From what I know of Icke, might he discover he was given some bad information and change his stance on the existence of Jesus? Yes. Convert to Christianity? No.

The Bible and Jesus have little to do with Christianity/church as it is promoted today.

[tjohn]

Firstly, I have never denied this, quite the contrary.. Secondly, I am not religious.. Thirdly, not all religious people are completely brain-washed, some are in-fact quite Spiritual, virtuous, honorable & intelligent people.. Which is exceedingly more than I can say about people whom erroneously jump to conclusions & spit vile & hate @ others weakly guised in the form of showering 'rousing-advice' from their 'spiritual high-horse'.. :mad:

Just maybe you should check your facts mate, before you take up a cause you have no idea about.. ;)

Any-other clueless people wanna have a go? :Dhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=7075&dateline=1250992567

Do you want to eat flesh?

Religion with its followers do.

[tjohn]

"Earthlings I am the creator of all, but I lack a bit of funding so would you collect ALOT of money for me, also even tho I am omnipresent people somehow miss my existence so would you please be kind to write a book so they could find about the marvels I posses, and NEVER QUESTION ME, OBEY!"

I think a real god would be more like

"Look around I am there, now live in peace and love one another, I don't need money, I don't need worship, I don't need priests, I don't need books for books are man made, books are not eternal, but I am."

But hey, who knows!You... are very close to the truth. :)

[tannah]

I think the born again thing has been quite misunderstood...for one thing it really doesn't make any sense to a person who assumes or is told he will only have one life to live (Nicodemus couldn't understand it either)....so Christianity attempts to explain what this means, and promotes a ritual to ensure someone's born again status. Imo this explanation and its accompanying ritual are manmade, and out of context with what Jesus was referring to. Taken literally we see this born again business is not all that complicated, and has been already understood worlwide for thousands of years: reincarnation. *runs and dodges flying fruit*



Well I'm applauding you for that one.:D

[seanx]

quetzalcoatl wrote:
Ya gonna have to do better than that to mask your hate pal..

How bout ya go get yourself a clue


Another Matrix Christain who gets annoys if anybody should
question his beliefs.

Face it, mate you have been sold a fabricated elite version
of God.

God IS.

Simply BEINGNESS expressing itself through infinite levels of
awareness and forms from a tiny ant to a loving angel.

It doesn't NEED YOUR LOVE OR YOUR OBEDIENCE? Or
even your acknowledgment.

Why would it?

It is infinite and ALL things and ALL beings so why would it
need one part of itself to obey another part of itself.

Only the 'God' that the Elite have created to control your
behaviour needs to exert this control and needs to threaten
people with Hell if they don't do what God (the Elite want)

Throw all your Holy books and man -made religions in the bin.

Any religion that has to threaten you with fear and Hell
and suffering if you don't obey it is a fake -an Elite created
control mechanism.

A protector of the Matrix.

[miracles]

I think the born again thing has been quite misunderstood...for one thing it really doesn't make any sense to a person who assumes or is told he will only have one life to live (Nicodemus couldn't understand it either)....so Christianity attempts to explain what this means, and promotes a ritual to ensure someone's born again status. Imo this explanation and its accompanying ritual are manmade, and out of context with what Jesus was referring to. Taken literally we see this born again business is not all that complicated, and has been already understood worlwide for thousands of years: reincarnation. *runs and dodges flying fruit*






:D I wont throw fruit at you Bible Girl. Only truth. These scriptures IMO are not hard to understand, it is simply a spirtual rebirth as the result of repenting confessing, believing and receiving.

Man is appointed once to die and then the judgment. The bible at least, does not teach that we will be reincarnated. And "born again" in the biblical context, does not mean reincarnated, that my friend, is a misunderstanding of those scriptures, and you need a pretty long bow to believe it does mean that. :)

Oh yes of course, for 1000s of years reincarnation is taught, believed and understood to be true by a plethora of religions and people, and thats okay for them, but the Christian religion does not teach reincarnation nor do Christians believe in it.

[miracles]

Reading miracles and quetzalcoatl posts to each other, you can only
marvel and admire the mind-programming skills of the Elite!

How they can create a program over centuries, and use it to
control people's ideas and beliefs without people knowing that
they are being controlled is truely awesome.

Here's an idea for you lads: G-d or Infinite Consciousness IS. It is
BEING. NOW. It is onmipresence and omnipotent.

So, here is the shocking thing: It doesn't need a Holy Book or
a man-made religious control structure to survive or be.

And it doesn';t need to threaten people with eternal hell
or damnation if they won't obey and do what they are told.

As your 'God' seems to need to do it.

Could it be that this 'God' is just a creation of the Elite to control
and manipualte your behaviour ?

Well the fact is the true Christian faith controls nothing and the bringer of the true Christian faith IE one Jesus Christ, was put to death by the "elite/satan" and even though the elite/satan have tried to eradicate it from the face of the earth by trying to detroy the bible and in the murdering 10,000,000 believers throughout history, its is till going and will never die away. There is about 0.01 percent of people on the planet who are true Christians. And the elite/satan control the other 99.9% percent; and your one of them.

Are we threatened by you? Off course not, it is you who are threatened by our presnece here! I wonder why that is?

[adbasque]

Firstly, I have never denied this, quite the contrary.. Secondly, I am not religious.. Thirdly, not all religious people are completely brain-washed, some are in-fact quite Spiritual, virtuous, honorable & intelligent people.. Which is exceedingly more than I can say about people whom erroneously jump to conclusions & spit vile & hate @ others weakly guised in the form of showering 'rousing-advice' from their 'spiritual high-horse'.. :mad:

Just maybe you should check your facts mate, before you take up a cause you have no idea about.. ;)

Any-other clueless people wanna have a go? :D

Yes
Simply, Beautifully put, and you hit the nail on the head not on the side :D

[notthisshitagain]

Laugh. And then laugh some more.

[seanx]

Miracles wrote:
Well the fact is the true Christian faith controls nothing and the bringer of the true Christian faith IE one Jesus Christ, was put to death by the "elite/satan" and even though the elite/satan have tried to eradicate it from the face of the earth by trying to detroy the bible and in the murdering 10,000,000 believers throughout history, its is till going and will never die away. There is about 0.01 percent of people on the planet who are true Christians. And the elite/satan control the other 99.9% percent; and your one of them.

Are we threatened by you? Off course not, it is you who are threatened by our presnece here! I wonder why that is?

Hilarious!

You are clearly threatened by the ideas Icke talks about.

Why else, as a devoted fundamentalist borm again Christain would
YOU have come to this site to parrot your programing to us?

I feel no need to go to your Christain websites and propagate
Icke's ideas there.

yet, you are so worried and threatended that you feel the need
to spends hours and days here with your closed rigid mind.

I don't think you are fooling anybody.

BTW, personally, I couldn't care less what you believe. if the Elite's
religion makes you feel safe and secure...go on enjoying it.

However, the rest of us are waking up and beginning to see
the true nature of reality which is pro-life, pro- the body, pro-sex,
pro-women and the understanding that life was meant to be a
celebration of joy and life- not a denial and hate of it.

[biblegirl]

Oh yes of course, for 1000s of years reincarnation is taught, believed and understood to be true by a plethora of religions and people, and thats okay for them, but the Christian religion does not teach reincarnation nor do Christians believe in it.

i realize that the christian religion does not teach it, however i believe the bible absolutely supports reincarnation, as i have found in my recent studying...thread coming soon :)

[tjohn]

:D I wont throw fruit at you Bible Girl. Only truth. From your book? It's a book man, written not by God but by the 'Elite' of the time. These scriptures... There you go! IMO are not hard to understand, it is simply a spirtual rebirth as the result of repenting confessing, believing and receiving.Spiritual rebirth comes after leaving religion. It comes after you have stopped following a bible and after you have stopped listening to religious teachers.

All in all, religion is a brick in the wall. An education that takes away from our true spiritual nature and all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzDQcD5zFY)

Or ironically as the bible puts it, a deceptive 'angel of light'. Hence as the bible says, the Mosaic law was transmitted through 'angels'. Hence the 'birds of the air'. Hence those same 'birds of the air' steal the truth from people's hearts, so that they do not know who they really are. Hence 'come out of her my people'...

I trust as a Christian you have a bible concordance? I gave you some clues there, so please read your bible again but without religious indoctrination if you can - hopefully one day you will see it.

The words of the bible are like Masonic symbols that people don't notice until they start to wake up.

[tjohn]

debate is going nowhere it's turning into personal attacks:rolleyes:

Come on guys you both can do better than that :D

I know I am going to be bombarded now lolNot YOU but your religion might be. There is a difference, don't you know it?

[adbasque]

Not YOU but your religion might be. There is a difference, don't you know it?

If you say so John, personally I don't care either way it doesn't affect me.
You can insult me my religion, it's not going to change a thing, I know what I know and until now I haven't seen anything different that would make me change my mind.


You have your belief I have mine, one of us is right, we can't both be right.

[quetzalcoatl]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=7075&dateline=1250992567

Do you want to eat flesh?

Religion with its followers do.

Dunno why people bother taking the piss outa avatars.. (time for some fresh air perhaps? LOL!) they can be changed ya know.. & to answer it doesn't sound that appealing in the context of which you probably mean.. however, I am partial to a medium steak now & then.. :D

[miracles]

i realize that the christian religion does not teach it, however i believe the bible absolutely supports reincarnation, as i have found in my recent studying...thread coming soon :)

Great I look forward to looking at that thread, sounds interesting. However Christianity IE true Christianity is the bible, meaning the christian religion is the bible. So I look forward to you attempting to refute that the bible does not teach reincarnation. :)

PS, who in their right mind would want to come back to this dump anyway? I'm not that impressed that I ended up here in the first place, given a choice I would have said, no thanks. And I mean that sincerely. I aint coming back. This is not a dress rehersal, and anywho, can you imagine the idiots who dont get it right in 70 years coming back to stuff it up a second thrid and forth time and so on and so on. God wipes out evil, he doesn't regurgiate for other generations to suffer over and over again.

[tjohn]

Dunno why people bother taking the piss outa avatars.. (time for some fresh air perhaps? LOL!) they can be changed ya know.. & to answer it doesn't sound that appealing in the context of which you probably mean.. however, I am partial to a medium steak now & then.. :DI'm vegetarian-going on vegan but I wasn't of course referring to us (in a literal sense) eating meat or not. I guess you knew the context but for the sake of those who missed it, the implication is that religion eats up people's minds and their natural spiritual nature.

Religion is not God, nor is Religion a book. It's the interpretation(s) and the doctrines that determine a Religion. We are not born with Religion. Religion is taught to us and the conflicting doctrines are endless, many of them being doublethink and utter nonsense!

I know because I spent much of my life studying many of the doctrines of religion and it all but burned me out. My life as a thinking individual was being taken away and my heart got broken into pieces because I love people. So after many years the truth began to dawn on me and I wish I had seen it earlier because my life is now near its end.

Religion is not about the real God nor is it about the real me nor is Religion about any human born before it destroys true spirituality which we have deep inside the heart! Religion is a deception! A very clever deception!

Religion fills the mind with rubbish and causes divisions of 'us and them' as though religion's god whom claims to have made us all, would choose one nation or people above another.

Babies are not born with hate for other peoples or nations, it is put there through religious and other indoctrinations. Therefore, after leaving religion, I can claim that I am 'born again' not as a Christian religionist but because I, like all people, was born without Religion.

[tannah]

PS, who in their right mind would want to come back to this dump anyway?

This planet has abundant beauty and would be even more awesomely beautiful if not for two major faiths that have helped turn it into a dump.

[tjohn]

This planet has abundant beauty and would be even more awesomely beautiful if not for two major faiths that have helped turn it into a dump.
I think Miracles should see Earthlings. It's not nice to watch though.

[miracles]

I just got it started :)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78912 (http://The Bible and Reincarnation Thread)

I cant open the link :(

[biblegirl]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78912

hopefully this works? :)

[miracles]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78912

hopefully this works? :)

Yes it works but what your saying in it is busted . ;) It should be in the religious threads too, it's not hidden ancient history. What? Too proud to be seen posting a thread in here or what? Reincarnation is a religious belief if ever there was one.

[ozpixie]

I feel sad that those people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan are now increasingly being denied that choice. There are now so many vegetables being corrupted with animal genes, including human genes that they are omnivores by default and largely without knowing. Bread now contains proteins derived from chook feathers and even human hair so that the dough bulks out very cheaply. Their only real comfort is knowing that the animals are not being killed each time they eat them but there is a real yuk factor (esp cockroach genes in Subway tomatoes... Google it if you are a disbeliever) in a lot of this.

[miracles]

I feel sad that those people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan are now increasingly being denied that choice. There are now so many vegetables being corrupted with animal genes, including human genes that they are omnivores by default and largely without knowing. Bread now contains proteins derived from chook feathers and even human hair so that the dough bulks out very cheaply. Their only real comfort is knowing that the animals are not being killed each time they eat them but there is a real yuk factor (esp cockroach genes in Subway tomatoes... Google it if you are a disbeliever) in a lot of this.

Tomatoes in shops seem to taste like talcom powder now, totally yuck, a friend of mine gave us some home grown tomatoes last month and the difference in taste was heavenly.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think a real god would be more like

"Look around I am there, now live in peace and love one another, I don't need money, I don't need worship, I don't need priests, I don't need books for books are man made, books are not eternal, but I am."

But hey, who knows!

That's what Jesus said. Well done, you made it!

[tjohn]

I think a real god would be more like

"Look around I am there, now live in peace and love one another, I don't need money, I don't need worship, I don't need priests, I don't need books for books are man made, books are not eternal, but I am."

But hey, who knows!

That's what Jesus said. Well done, you made it!According to the Bible character of Jesus (who likely did not exist, at least not as portrayed in the Bible) he said:

"Look around I am there, now live in peace and love one another"?
Yes but No "Love your neighbour as yourself" "I have not come to bring peace... but the sword" and so on.

"I don't need money,"
Yes, Jesus said that but in different words...

"I don't need worship,"
No, Jesus said, "Worship God"

"I don't need priests,"
Yes but No (see Revelation with it's "kings and priests" for instance).

"I don't need books for books are man made,"
Jesus often said "It is written" to indicate authority from God, so that would be a No as well.

Conclusion; what fallensoul said is not what Jesus of the Bible said. Another obvious conclusion is that the Bible contradicts itself. Fallensoul is right in what he said but the Bible is wrong in what it says.

[pleasuredome]

A: "jesus said "i dont need books, books are creations of men, books arent eternal, i am""

B: "How do you know he said that?"

A: "Because i read it in a book"

B: "well, how do you even know he existed?"

A: "here, let me give you this book called the bible. it tells you all about him"

[tjohn]

A slightly modified version:


Person A:
Jesus said "It is written" to indicate authority from God...

Person B:
"How do you know he said that?"

Person A:
"Because I read it in the Book"

Person B:
"Well, how do you know he existed?"

Person A:
"Here, let me give you this book called the Bible. It tells you all about him."


That is so funny yet very true. We could print that out and stick on our doors! Could send it to churches too! Put it up in all public places! :D

[flereous]

What would you do if he did?

Hate him forever.

[amethyst]

Its not impossible... everyone can change their mind!!;)

I was also reading in one of his more recent books the other day.. he quoted 'if Jesus did exist...' .. so he does admit he could have existed.. just not the way its portrayed by the religious doctrines!:)

A lot of people don't think Jesus exists until......they have an encounter with His Spirit.....aka: the Holy Spirit....

That tends to convince them! :eek: :)

[amethyst]

lottie wrote:


Found God??

All his books are about God.

And that each and everyone of us is God, Infinite Consciousness
individualized.

What Icke is trying to do is to wake people up from the sick
religions that the Elite have created to steer people AWAY from this.
Away from the infinite power and goodness that is within everybody.

So they create a 'Jesus' - something EXTERNAL to yourself , a figure
you must OBEY - AND if you obey and repent to him and follow him
( ie. the Elite) you will be SAVED!


And if you don't, you'll be destroyed and sent to eternal hell.

Pure fear.

Iit is the oldest mind-control program in the world.

And it has fuck all to do with God. or Infinite Awareness.

Fear doesn't exist in God's dominion.

There is no fear in perfect love :)

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by miracles View Post
What would you do if he did?

Hate him forever.

This is a nasty thing to say unless you're joking of course.

Then you're not worth anyone's love, you hate a person simply because they change their minds about their faith and belief?
What sort of a person are you anyway?

You would probably love him more if he says he is a Satanist.

You people are really and truly screwed up beyond repair, and the Elite has done an extensive and excesive work on you.

[miracles]

A: "jesus said "i dont need books, books are creations of men, books arent eternal, i am""

"


Jesus said every word of or the mouth of God is important, Jesus quoted scripture to satan. He would not talk to him with any other words other than the scripture. He always quoted the bible and opened up the scriptures and explained their meaning, aslo the gospels are full of Christ words. The words fo God are recorded in a book, and they are vitaliy impotant to all humanity, that's why the have been written down, in a book. The word fo God, IE every word in the bible shall never pass away, this world will, but the words wont.

[beldazar]

Laugh.

lol :D

[tjohn]

Hate him [David Icke] forever. This is a nasty thing to say unless you're joking of course.I agree, it wasn't a nice thing to say.
Then you're not worth anyone's love,That was a hateful thing to say, adbasque!

Can't you see that what you said is what you accuse flereous of saying? you hate a person simply because they change their minds about their faith and belief?Said from a Muslim!

Does the Muslim religion teach that all people are of equal worth? Or does it (even in your Qur'an) say that people who do not believe the same Religion as you (or non at all) are not as worthy? Strange that, when you claim that your god made us all. Strange that, when you claim that your god is 'most merciful'.

What sort of a person are you anyway?

You would probably love him more if he says he is a Satanist.

You people are really and truly screwed up beyond repair, and the Elite has done an extensive and excesive work on you. But not you adbasque, eh? :rolleyes:

Hope religious people get their repair soon. In the case of yourself, I perceive it has already started to happen as painful as that feels at the moment. Sadly, religion is so pervasive world wide that many won't get their repair soon and so the slaughter of our humanity continues and that is just what the 'Elite' want.

Give it up adbasque, start living and try to treat other humans as equal to yourself, instead of being controlled by your Religion which says that we are not. In the end you will feel much better for it and you will not be going to Hell, because you changed your heart to accept others.

[adbasque]

I agree, it wasn't a nice thing to say.
That was a hateful thing to say, adbasque! Said from a Muslim!

When or where did you hear me hating people? so far hate seem to emanate from you side and some people like you.


You like to twist things I say don't you?
You like to try and discredit me anyway you can?
You completely removed what I said out of it's context didn't you?
That's why I call you devious and vicious John


Does the Muslim religion teach that all people are of equal worth? Or does it say (even in your Qur'an) that people who do not believe the same Religion as you (or non at all) are worthy of death and hell? Strange that, when you claim that your god made us all. Strange that, when you claim that your god is 'most merciful'.

You want to find out John? Go ahead stop asking me your same stupid questions, from now on if you want something get it yourself, I am done explaining the same things to you.




But not you adbasque, eh? :rolleyes:


when you ask a question next time have the guts to be precise and don't leave things floating in the air, what are you afraid of? To be cornered?
No not me, definitely not me :)


Hope religious people get their repair soon. In the case of yourself, I perceive it has already started to happen as painful as that feels to you at the moment.

No John I have opened my eyes years and years ago, Maybe one day you'll throw away all of this bitterness of yours and see the truth as it is not as you want it to be.

Reality is not a wishful thinking, only in your own head and imagination.
I deal with real facts and hard truth however it maybe I'll take it head on.


Sadly, religion is so pervasive world wide that many won't get their repair soon and so the slaughter of our humanity continues and that is just what the 'Elite' want.

First you can keep hoping, it's not going to happen and by the way more and more people are opening their eyes, and are becoming religious.

Second you keep using the Elite as an excuse, but a million times I have asked you to prove that it is an Elite's creation which you failed every single time, because it's not true and you can't link one thing to the Elite.

I on the other hand showed you on many occasions that the Elite is the enemy of religion,
Until the day you show me the evidence that religion is the creation of the Elite, I am happy with it, because to me it's the only way to fight them.
And they know it and they hate it.


Give it up adbasque


Keep dreaming, John


start living and try to treat other humans as equal to yourself, instead of being controlled by your Religion which says that we are not. In the end you will feel much better for it and you will not be going to Hell, because you changed your heart to accept others.


I am alive and I am living a happy life and I thank Allah for it.
No John you're the one with these thoughts, not me or my religion, that's what you want to make others believe, I have never seen any human being as inferior or superior to myself, I have never known any religious person who thinks that way, and if there are, then I don't know what sort of religion they are on, because it's certainly isn't mine.
You won't accept anyone unless they are just like you, you believe you are superior to any religious person, I don't believe I am superior to you or anyone, what I know is that you are very deluded and lost.

You're the arrogant, I am a very humble person, very down to earth.

Muslims are very humble people, Islam teaches equality, and you john know it, but you decided to lie and make things that don't exist.

One final thought, if Islam teaches inequality, the Prophet PBUH, has been warning Muslims to care about their neighbours regardless of their faith, or background.

He meant the neighbour as next door neighbour or neighbour in the neighbouring villages, towns, countries etc.. ;)

He insists that you meet people with a smile, they don't have to be Muslims.
You show the same courtesy to any human being.

I let you to ponder on that, and please do me a favour next time when you want to make an argument, don't make things up, try and debate not discredit your opponent, you look pathetic, you try and show yourself as Mr Nice guy while making accusation on the other person.

You do it all the time, it doesn't bother me but you're lowering the level of the debate with your hidden constant attacks and yet you pretend to be a nice guy, I doubt very much that you have a grain of love in you.

You come accross as a very twisted hateful bitter man, who hates anyone who doesn't dance to his delusional tune.

I don't pretend to love everybody it's impossible for any human being to love everybody so don't give me that bull, nobody loves everybody.

It's a figure of speech when we say we love everybody, I don't hate people without a good reason, but I don't love everybody it's IMPOSSIBLE

And if you pretend otherwise you're a big liar :)
How's that?
Oh by the way when you reply take that phrase and single it out and show how hateful I am, right??

Have a nice day

[tjohn]

When or where did you hear me hating people? so far hate seem to emanate from you side and some people like you.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1228564&postcount=168

1) You said that flereous isn't worthy of love. 2) More hate is coming from you than from the rest of us who are unbelievers in your Religion.

You like to twist things I say don't you?No.You like to try and discredit me anyway you can?No, I do not like to discredit you at all but your religion and all main religions, yes, because they are a deception.

You completely removed what I said out of it's context didn't you?
That's why I call you devious and vicious JohnWhen you say that someone is not worthy of being loved how is that out of context? Tell me what part was out of context of your hate shown towards that person (flereous)? You often use your "out of context" argument as your Ace card but sorry it isn't working because practically everyone can see it is a fake card.

Then of course your Religion does not teach hate towards other people now does it?

From your own book:
(22:19-22) "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. "

.... the perfect and most merciful God that created us all... according to Muslims. :rolleyes:

You want to find out John? Go ahead stop asking me your same stupid questions, from now on if you want something get it yourself, I am done explaining the same things to you.How many times have you said things like that? Yet you still argue for your Religion that tells you what to believe.

when you ask a question next time have the guts to be precise and don't leave things floating in the air, what are you afraid of? To be cornered?
No not me, definitely not me :) Sorry pal but you are one that is cornered (through your Religion), not me nor the majority of people on here.

No John I have opened my eyes years and years ago, Maybe one day you'll throw away all of this bitterness of yours and see the truth as it is not as you want it to be. OK, I am bitter towards the strife and suffering that Religion has caused to life on this planet. Not only bitter but also sad and I often sit in front of my computer and cry for humanity.

Mightyoak made some very good comments - how can you dispute them without appearing to be stupid or brainwashed?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1234897&postcount=2327

Reality is not a wishful thinking, only in your own head and imagination.
I deal with real facts and hard truth however it maybe I'll take it head on.Look in a mirror..

First you can keep hoping, it's not going to happen and by the way more and more people are opening their eyes, and are becoming religious.You talk about enlightenment? Religion blinds people so they cannot see.

Second you keep using the Elite as an excuse, but a million times I have asked you to prove that it is an Elite's creation which you failed every single time, because it's not true and you can't link one thing to the Elite.I thought you did not accept copy and past or links!
I on the other hand showed you on many occasions that the Elite is the enemy of religion,
Until the day you show me the evidence that religion is the creation of the Elite, I am happy with it, because to me it's the only way to fight them. And they know it and they hate it.The 'Elite' invented Religion to control people like you. We don't need any Religion that threatens people with hell or bribes people with heaven. All we need is love so we can live in peace.

Keep dreaming, JohnOh but I do.

[adbasque]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1228564&postcount=168

1) You said that flereous isn't worthy of love. 2) More hate is coming from you than from the rest of us who are unbelievers in your Religion.

No.No, I do not like to discredit you at all but your religion and all main religions, yes, because they are a deception.

When you say that someone is not worthy of being loved how is that out of context? Tell me what part was out of context of your hate shown towards that person (flereous)? You often use your "out of context" argument as your Ace card but sorry it isn't working because practically everyone can see it is a fake card.



Because you John are the master of twist, well you think you are anyway,

You know damn well what I said and how I said it and you constantly take this out of context and yes your goal here is to try and

Humiliate people who you disagree with or hate.
You try and attack the person's intergrity

I'll explain it to you and bold it so you can see it and others can see how you (Deliberately) take things out of context.

Flereous said he will HATE him forever or something along those lines

Meaning he will hate David Icke simply because DI has found God and admitted he was wrong and became Christian.

And I said it's a nasty thing to say, how can you say something like that,

You ain't worth of anyone's love meaning HE STARTED TO HATE PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDS.

And you John I have dealt with you many times I know exactly who you are and what you really are, you take things "OUT" of context to support your twisted views and above all to discredit others.

Is this clearer now??



But for you anyone who hates other people (Religious) is allowed and tolerated, that is your true nature, unless people follow your delusion it's ok to hate them and insult them etc..

That is the real JOHN the preacher of love ;)

I have never claimed that I love everybody, I said it it's impossible to do nobody can love everybody.
But you do, because you are a liar and a hypocrite John.

[tannah]

I have never claimed that I love everybody, I said it it's impossible to do nobody can love everybody.
But you do, because you are a liar and a hypocrite John.


Surely you have this the wrong way round. I'd say people who can't love everyone are hipocrites.

Besides love for all isn't that impossible. The brighter self becomes the more it feels a connection as more things are brought into view.

It isn't possible to have nice words to say all the time, but it is possible to love others nevertheless. I thought that was a religion one-0-one.

[adbasque]

Surely you have this the wrong way round. I'd say people who can't love everyone are hipocrites.

Besides love for all isn't that impossible. The brighter self becomes the more it feels a connection as more things are brought into view.

It isn't possible to have nice words to say all the time, but it is possible to love others nevertheless. I thought that was a religion one-0-one.

Tannah, you are describing how we should all be and behave and I am describing how we are, two different things.

I did not say hate people, I said to love everybody, the love I am referring to is the real love, not the way we should be.

In all my life I haven't met one single person who loves everybody, it's simply isn't true!

I am saying I don't pretend to love everybody because it's how it is, nobody can claim to love everybody it's not yet possible.

Love is a feeling we humans allocate to special people in our lives.

Yes it's true we should love each other I am not denying that, it's true that religion teaches to love one another, but between what religion teaches and we actually do are two entirely different things.

Maybe because we are not perfect and nobody is perfect.

Do you love the Rothschilds who have been killing millions of people and still doing it?
Do you love the Elite, the TPTB who are making billions miserable generation after generation? If you do then something is wrong.

Bottom line you can't possibly love everybody, in order to love every human being on the planet your chemistry has to match theirs.

When I say I don't love people it doesn't automatically mean I hate them, no, love is a special feeling.

PS: The definition of a hypocrite is a person who claims to be something that they aren't.
Or do something that they don't, that's hypocrisy, I am being honest, so I can't see how can I be a hypocrite?

[tannah]

Tannah, you are describing how we should all be and behave and I am describing how we are, two different things.

I did not say hate people, I said to love everybody, the love I am referring to is the real love, not the way we should be.

In all my life I haven't met one single person who loves everybody, it's simply isn't true!

I am saying I don't pretend to love everybody because it's how it is, nobody can claim to love everybody it's not yet possible.

Love is a feeling we humans allocate to special people in our lives.

Yes it's true we should love each other I am not denying that, it's true that religion teaches to love one another, but between what religion teaches and we actually do are two entirely different things.

Maybe because we are not perfect and nobody is perfect.

Do you love the Rothschilds who have been killing millions of people and still doing it?
Do you love the Elite, the TPTB who are making billions miserable generation after generation? If you do then something is wrong.

Bottom line you can't possibly love everybody, in order to love every human being on the planet your chemistry has to match theirs.

When I say I don't love people it doesn't automatically mean I hate them, no, love is a special feeling.

PS: The definition of a hypocrite is a person who claims to be something that they aren't.
Or do something that they don't, that's hypocrisy, I am being honest, so I can't see how can I be a hypocrite?

Hate sin by not hating the sinner. Show me a sinner I should hate.
I've tried to hate. I honestly can't keep it up. Inside me won't allow me comfort. I get images of Hitlers and devils and such, and I ask " do I hate you, do I, do I?" Well, If I hate them then I will love the sin, because you can "hate the sin by not hating the sinner". Does exactly what it says on the tin. Better than "love sin by hating the sinner" even though both are truthful.

[adbasque]

Hate sin by not hating the sinner. Show me a sinner I should hate.
I've tried to hate. I honestly can't keep it up. Inside me won't allow me comfort. I get images of Hitlers and devils and such, and I ask " do I hate you, do I, do I?" Well, If I hate them then I will love the sin, because you can "hate the sin by not hating the sinner". Does exactly what it says on the tin. Better than "love sin by hating the sinner" even though both are truthful.

I understand what you're saying, and I have agreed with you, and I still do, but not loving doesn't automatically imply you hate does it?

People you hold dear to your heart are the people you truly love and care for, Yes generally speaking I love human beings, but there are some, who won't let you love them, what they do is so evil you can't possibly love them.

I hate their sins that's true but it doesn't necessarily mean I hate them.

Let me give you an example, if I walk by a river and I see one of the Rothschilds drowning, my human natural instinct would make me jump and save him, right?

Did I do it because I love that person? I don't think so, I did it because he is still a fellow human being, and my natural instinct pushed me into the water to save him, even though I know that I could go down with him.

Love as I said is a special feeling.
Love in general yes we should love our fellow human beings, until proven to be real evil and do harm others.

I can't possibly love that person when I know that millions of children are hungry and dying because of them, not because they didn't think no, but because they are doing it deliberately to hurt them and kill them.

Yes deep down those people are sick, but then they are responsible for their actions and they have the power to turn things around if they weren't so twisted and sick in the heart and the mind.

Well I gave the Rothschilds as an example, but there are others out there.

Yes love the sinner as a human being hate his sins, but you can't love them the same way you love your mother or your son, it's simply isn't possible.

[flereous]

This is a nasty thing to say unless you're joking of course.

Then you're not worth anyone's love, you hate a person simply because they change their minds about their faith and belief?
What sort of a person are you anyway?

You would probably love him more if he says he is a Satanist.

You people are really and truly screwed up beyond repair, and the Elite has done an extensive and excesive work on you.

Why? Just because I cant stand idiotic Bible thumping people who go by Faith instead of personal experience makes me mean? Christians hate people when they change their faith. I used to have Christian friends when I was Christian, I changed my religion. Guess what? They said I'm a spawn of Satan. They stopped talking to me. Now I usually only talk to people within the Temple. They are intolerant of other religions, just because their dumb Bible says that other religions are wrong. But what proof do they have that the Bible is real? Have they even SEEN the Gods? Physically SEEN them? No. They havent. And its spelled excessive.

[tjohn]

Tannah, you are describing how we should all be and behave and I am describing how we are, two different things.

I did not say hate people, I said to love everybody, the love I am referring to is the real love, not the way we should be."the love I am referring to is the real love, not the way we should be"? :confused:

In all my life I haven't met one single person who loves everybody, it's simply isn't true!

I am saying I don't pretend to love everybody because it's how it is, nobody can claim to love everybody it's not yet possible.^^^ Yet he said, "I said to love everybody"... It seems to me adbasque is confused.

Love is a feeling we humans allocate to special people in our lives.In Greek there are four words translated into English as love. We can show love for people we don't have personal and 'special' affection for and it's called agape' in Greek.

For instance, I was walking down the street and I saw a man who was obviously very drunk and he was leaning his head on the wall, while trying to open his door but (because he was so drunk) he couldn't get his key in the lock. So I helped him unlock his door but that was no big deal, it was just me being human. It was a simple act of love for a man I did not know from Adam.

Agape' is the highest form of love because it does not expect anything in return. One might help someone across the road they have never met before, or give to charity to help people not known personally. There are many instances of people helping others where there is no 'special' attachment, other than the realisation that we are all human and that as humans we need to help each other. So do I feel I'm being 'good' for helping a drunken man while walking down the street? No, I was just being human. Therefore, real love is not always about "special people in our lives"...

Yes it's true we should love each other I am not denying that, it's true that religion teaches to love one another, but between what religion teaches and we actually do are two entirely different things.Without Religion (or other false identities) we would be our natural selves and we are not born with hate for other people but Religion teaches both love and hate.

Maybe because we are not perfect and nobody is perfect. That is what Religion tells us!

[miracles]

Why? Just because I cant stand idiotic Bible thumping people who go by Faith instead of personal experience makes me mean? Christians hate people when they change their faith. I used to have Christian friends when I was Christian, I changed my religion. Guess what? They said I'm a spawn of Satan. They stopped talking to me. Now I usually only talk to people within the Temple. They are intolerant of other religions, just because their dumb Bible says that other religions are wrong. But what proof do they have that the Bible is real? Have they even SEEN the Gods? Physically SEEN them? No. They havent. And its spelled excessive.

Get over it, weve all been hurt by so called Churchianity types, There all full of keek.

Get over your petty resentment and stop blaming the bible, its the word of God, not the word of Hypocrites. Otherwise youll keep smashing into people with the huge chips on your shoulders for the rest of your life, your hatred of them is hurting you now, not them.

[tjohn]

Get over it, weve all been hurt by so called Churchianity types, There all full of keek.

Get over your petty resentment and stop blaming the bible, its the word of God, not the word of Hypocrites. Otherwise youll keep smashing into people with the huge chips on your shoulders for the rest of your life, your hatred of them is hurting you now, not them.The Bible was put into a cannon and tweaked by the RC church, surely you know that. Are you a Roman Catholic then? So how come you say the Bible is "the word of God"?

However, every word written or said, good or bad, is the word of God - otherwise God would not be the God of all, of everything.

Let me try to explain to you, miracles, as I gather by your handle you must believe in visions and so on. This is where we need a visionary pictorial view, as that is how I saw it but its quite simple really.

There is a triangle, a sort of Trinity if you like. At the top of the triangle, is the Mind or the essence of all that exists. All sides of the triangle are 'co-eternal' and 'co-equal' from the viewpoint of the Mind or the essence of all that exists. From the Godhead at the top there is below on one side, creation and (below) on the other side of the triangle, there is destruction.

On the creative side, matter is being drawn together so that galaxies, stars and planets, are being created. On the destructive side, stars explode in supernova and any life on planets around those stars is extinguished.

Through Religion, the creative side generally became known as 'God' and the destructive side generally became known as 'the devil' but creative or destructive, it is all part of the God of all.

We obviously come from the creative side (or we wouldn't be here), yet some have more of their focus on the destructive side that most people do. Hence we have our (mis)leaders and the 'Elite' who do not respect the value of life.

Throughout the ages there have always been the Elite and it was the 'Elite' of the past that put the Bible (and the Koran) together which portrays a mixture of love (=creation) and hate (=destruction) - sadly although the Bible does contain some wisdom, the result has been on the destructive side and "by their fruit you will know them"

We can focus on the 'God' creative side that brings things together and in my opinion we should do that, otherwise humanity (and all life on this planet) could be destroyed by an atomic war.

You might have had the experience when a passage of the Bible "jumps out" at you, so you think that the Bible is surely the "Word of God"! I have had that experience many times in the past but it turns out that all the Bible is, is some clever psychology by the 'Elite' of the past.

If we analyse it objectively without preconceived religious bias, the Bible is actually full of doublethink and contradictions. For example, compare the OT where YHWH is a jealous and vengeful God compared to the writings of Jesus (which in the main portrays a more merciful God) yet at the same time it says that God does not change.

Then even in the NT alone, compare the writings of Paul with James (and Revelation where it says that one is judged according to his (or her) deeds). So we can pick and choose but the contradictions show that the Bible is actually no more the word of God than what anyone writes on here.

[miracles]

The Bible was put into a cannon and tweaked by the RC church, surely you know that. Are you a Roman Catholic then? So how come you say the Bible is "the word of God"?



No Im not RC,( I dont belong to a "church" accept the body of Christ. I can say it because it is true and has been proven irrefutebaly. God has preserved his word, that the bible has been tampered with is satans tampering with your beleif, Satan can only cast doubt on what God says, he can not refute it, or change it. He can only say "Did God really say..." "He can not say God did not say..." The 66 books of th ebible have been well perserved thoug jhout history. SHOW ME SOME PROOF AS TO WHAT EXACTLY IN ALL OF THOSE BOOKS HAVE BEEN TAMPERED OR CHANGED. ALL YOUVE GOT ARE SOME SO CALLED CONTRADICTIONSs FROM MUSLIM FUNDAMNETALIST SITES THAT ARENT EVEN CONTRADICTIONS.

However, every word written or said, good or bad, is the word of God - otherwise God would not be the God of all, of everything.


God is only Good, not Good and bad.


Let me try to explain to you, miracles, as I gather by your handle you must believe in visions and so on. This is where we need a visionary pictorial view, as that is how I saw it but its quite simple really.



No I dont belive in visions or extra prophesy outside the bible.


There is a triangle, a sort of Trinity if you like. At the top of the triangle, is the Mind or the essence of all that exists. All sides of the triangle are 'co-eternal' and 'co-equal' from the viewpoint of the Mind or the essence of all that exists.

Oh I see like the illuminati triangle and the all seeing third eye in the middle. NEW AGE What book did you get that from or was it a vision? Please! YOUR RELIGION NOT MINE



From the Godhead at the top there is below on one side, creation and (below) on the other side of the triangle, there is destruction.

On the creative side, matter is being drawn together so that galaxies, stars and planets, are being created.

On the destructive side, stars explode in supernova and any life on planets around those stars is extinguished.



Yin and yang Taoism. YOUR RELIGION NOT MINE.



Through Religion, the creative side generally became known as 'God' and the destructive side generally became known as 'the devil' but creative or destructive, it is all part of the God of all.


The bible is the word of God, it is not religion, you and I will never agree on this point inspite of the evidence, you closed mindedness will not let you belive it, you think the book is a controll mechanism wriotten by evil men (withno proof I might add), so I understand why you belive this. But I am not like you, I know it is the word of God and it is absolute truth. Im free. You are in bondage to lies.



We obviously come from the creative side (or we wouldn't be here), yet some have more of their focus on the destructive side that most people do. Hence we have our (mis)leaders and the 'Elite' who do not respect the value of life.



We come from the creator. No Human being respects life we are desperatly wicked and the one with the biggest fists and the most money rules, its the human animal nature. Survival of the strongest and fitest. There will always be a top dog.



Throughout the ages there have always been the Elite and it was the 'Elite' of the past that put the Bible (and the Koran) together which portrays a mixture of love (=creation) and hate (=destruction) - sadly although the Bible does contain some wisdom, the result has been on the destructive side and "by their fruit you will know them"




The elite have nothing to do with the bible apart from creating cults out of it. They kept the word of God from the people for centuries, so this casts your theory to the wind. Remember the dark ages? And the inquisitions, this was belivers in Christ the bible and God being killed, dont you know anything about history, 10,000,000 of them man. WAKE THE UP OUT OF YOUR STUPOR MAN.
DO NOT COMPARE THE QURAN WITH THE BIBLE I AM NOT ADBASQUE.


We can focus on the 'God' creative side that brings things together and in my opinion we should do that, otherwise humanity (and all life on this planet) would be destroyed by an atomic war.



There will be no peace on earth until Christ returns to rule, its a pipe dream, and even then people rebell against God even when He is ruleing in th efelah and satan is in chains.


You might have had the experience when a passage of the Bible "jumps out" at you, so you think that the Bible is surely the "Word of God"! I have had that experience many times in the past but it turns out that all the Bible is, is some clever physiology by the 'Elite' of the past.


No there is irrefteable evidence to show it is divinely inspired by a superior mathametical mind, but before I knew this the word of God supernaturally converted my soul and I was awakaned, my spirit was quickened. I have been born again. I KNOW this for a fact, WHY becuase it actually freaken well happened to me. You cant take that way from me or anyone else, even by taking my earthly life in this body. You need to know this stuff is very real TJOHN, its not a came, and you are up against a real born again spirit here, so its more than a debate in forum for me, its reality. You cannot change what has been sealed by God. You can not take my spirtual eyesight away from me. Your response to thix post will most probably quickly reveal what a waste of time me typing any of this has been, but it may bare fruit eslewhere. Who knows.



If we analyse it objectively without preconceived religious bias, the Bible is actually full of doublethink and contradictions. For example, compare the OT where YHWH is a jealous and vengeful God compared to the writings of Jesus (which in the main portrays a more merciful God) yet at the same time it says that God does not change.


You have a preconvceived bias idea about the bible, but as stated you are worng, which means the permise of your whole modus operandi is a built on preconceived bias born out of a lie. SINKING SAND "Head bangng against a brick wall sounds"



Then even in the NT alone, compare the writings of Paul with James (and Revelation where it says that one is judged according to his (or her) deeds). So we can pick and choose but the contradictions show that the Bible is actually no more the word of God that what anyone writes on here.


Sorry I find it exceedingly funny that you end quoting scripture from a "religious elite written book" in an attempt to win a flawed arguement. The hypocrisy is mind numbingly and glaringly obvious but you will never see it and you will never see the irony of my last point. The bible does not contradict itself anywhere. Ive seen ALLLLLLLLLL the crap and propoganda that states otherwise so dont go down that road again please.

Remove the chips on boths shoulder arm bands and try to live again without the resenments TJOHN, its hurting you. Your arguement is strawman always was always will be and Im not getting into an adbasque talk fest with you. Im done, Ive said my piece. I wish you well on your journey. I know you mean well, but Im sorry we do not agree, nor never will.

[tjohn]

Sorry I find it exceedingly funny that you end quoting scripture from a "religious elite written book" in an attempt to win a flawed arguement. No, sorry to have to tell you that the Bible is a hodgepodge of all sorts and it does contain some wisdom and some nonsense. In other words, people can make of it what they want and what people want to make of it is governed by Religion with its doctrines and religious teachers.

The hypocrisy is mind numbingly and glaringly obvious but you will never see it and you will never see the irony of my last point.The irony is on you Bro. The bible does not contradict itself anywhere. Ive seen ALLLLLLLLLL the crap and propoganda that states otherwise so dont go down that road again please.I went down the road and now I am close to the end of it. In regard to the Bible have seen it 'all', for lets see, around 40 years.

As you know I was a "Bible Student" but I was not satisfied with what the "faithful and discreet slave" of the watchtower society was telling me because lots of things simply did not add up. So I investigated other sects and found that they too, had hypocrisy and many contradictions in their doctrine - all of course taken from the Bible. So which Religion or sect is right? Could it be that non of them are right? Well I thought surely there must be a true Religion somewhere but I found non during my whole lifetime.

So I did my own study and found that the Bible is not what people say it is. "All scripture is inspired of God" what is 'scripture? Writing, that's all and it turns out that the Bible is not the 'Holy' book that people think. The Bible is in fact from many sources - some of it is true and contains wisdom and promotes love - but some of it 'validates' violence and hate - and some of it is just plain nonsense - all cleverly wrote so people can be manipulated by TPTB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)
The symbolism in that clip is brilliant...

Remove the chips on both shoulder arm bands and try to live again without the resenments TJOHN, its hurting you. Yes it is hurting me because Religion is hurting humanity. Do you deny that Religion is hurting humanity? All those thousands of doctrines and beliefs cause conflict and trouble, or hadn't you noticed?

[stfd]

No, sorry to have to tell you that the Bible is a hodgepodge of all sorts and it does contain some wisdom and some nonsense.

In other words, people can make of it what they want and what people want to make of it is governed by Religion with its doctrines and religious teachers.

The irony is on you Bro. I went down the road and now I am close to the end of it. In regard to the Bible have seen it 'all', for lets see, around 40 years.

As you know I was a "Bible Student" but I was not satisfied with what the "faithful and discreet slave" of the watchtower society was telling me because lots of things simply did not add up. So I investigated other sects and found that they too, had hypocrisy and many contradictions in their doctrine - all of course taken from the Bible. So which Religion or sect is right? Could it be that non of them are right? Well surely there must be a true Religion somewhere but I found non during my whole lifetime.

So I did my own study and found that the Bible is not what people say it is. "All scripture is inspired of God" what is 'scripture? Writing, that's all and it turns out that the Bible is not the 'Holy' book that people think. The Bible is in fact from many sources - some of it is true and contains wisdom and promotes love - but some of it 'validates' violence and hate - and some of it is just plain nonsense - all cleverly wrote so people can be manipulated by TPTB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)
The symbolism in that clip is brilliant...

Yes it is hurting me because Religion is hurting humanity. Do you deny that Religion is hurting humanity? All those thousands of doctrines and beliefs cause conflict and trouble, or hadn't you noticed?


Religion is not hurting humanity, is humanity which hurts all else however.
And i deny what you say because is not true.
All and any beliefs and doctrines that hurt and cause conflict are not for and off God hence they are not Christian-which brings the question...
WHAT is your point?!?

[miracles]

No, sorry to have to tell you that the Bible is a hodgepodge of all sorts and it does contain some wisdom and some nonsense. In other words, people can make of it what they want and what people want to make of it is governed by Religion with its doctrines and religious teachers.

The irony is on you Bro. I went down the road and now I am close to the end of it. In regard to the Bible have seen it 'all', for lets see, around 40 years.

As you know I was a "Bible Student" but I was not satisfied with what the "faithful and discreet slave" of the watchtower society was telling me because lots of things simply did not add up. So I investigated other sects and found that they too, had hypocrisy and many contradictions in their doctrine - all of course taken from the Bible. So which Religion or sect is right? Could it be that non of them are right? Well I thought surely there must be a true Religion somewhere but I found non during my whole lifetime.

So I did my own study and found that the Bible is not what people say it is. "All scripture is inspired of God" what is 'scripture? Writing, that's all and it turns out that the Bible is not the 'Holy' book that people think. The Bible is in fact from many sources - some of it is true and contains wisdom and promotes love - but some of it 'validates' violence and hate - and some of it is just plain nonsense - all cleverly wrote so people can be manipulated by TPTB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)
The symbolism in that clip is brilliant...

Yes it is hurting me because Religion is hurting humanity. Do you deny that Religion is hurting humanity? All those thousands of doctrines and beliefs cause conflict and trouble, or hadn't you noticed?

And your proof to refute my stance is a Pink Floyd song? My goodness.

ALL the best dear TJOHN, Im not going round and round the mulbury bush with you my friend.

Humanity Hurts Humanity end of yarn. Your hurting my ears. Im out.

http://musicstreaker.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/pink_floyd_-_dark_side_of_the_moon.jpg

There's your satanic illuminati (ruling ELITE ) pink floyd symbolism right there mate. WELL YA WALKED INTO THAT ONE WITH EYES WIDE SHUT DIDNT YA? LOL. Wake up TJ. Please, your snoring is getting to be a pain in the arse.

YOU DONT HAVE POINT UNLESS YOU COUNT THE THREE POINT ON A TRIANGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your illuminati pal. you're in their camp.

PS studying the bible under the watch tower is not studying the ebible.

[tjohn]

And your proof to refute my stance is a Pink Floyd song? My goodness.

ALL the best dear TJOHN, Im not going round and round the mulbury bush with you my friend.

Humanity Hurts Humanity end of yard. Your hurting my ears. Im out. Hey don't go! As a human I love you really!


http://musicstreaker.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/pink_floyd_-_dark_side_of_the_moon.jpgThere's your satanic illuminati (ruling ELITE ) pink floyd symbolism right there mate. WELL YA WALKED INTO THAT ONE WITH EYES WIDE SHUT DIDNT YA? LOL. Wake up TJ. Please, your snoring is getting to be a pain in the arse.

YOU DONT HAVE POINT UNLESS YOU COUNT THE THREE POINT ON A TRIANGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your illuminati pal. you're in their camp.Well Illuminati of course means an illuminated one and not all of 'Illuminati' are bad; depending on what we mean by an illuminated one.

The only book I have read all the way through and studied in any great detail is the Bible and that's the truth. Academically I did not do very 'good' at school, yet I can still think and see more of the bigger picture than people who are misled by Religion.

Because I 'missed out' at school (thank-you, spell checker, I wrote scool), my brain is more or less balanced with the left and right side and I tend to think in pictures so I guess that's why I'm prone to have lucid 'dreams' and so on, which some call 'visions'. The prophets of old also had them and even today, lots of people have them and dreams or visions may be important or not. You say you do not believe in them but in regard to that, hopefully you might want to read Joel 2:28 - yes the Bible tells the truth sometimes.

Then couldn't this triangle I saw be where the 'illuminati' partly got the idea of pyramid from with the all seeing eye at the top? Only it would seem that most of them (or at least those who control the world,) draw their influence and power from the destructive side of the Universe???

What I told you about the triangle with the mind/essence/spirit of God being at the top and the creative and destructive at the other two corners, did not come from any website nor any book I read. But instead it came as a surprise to me, when I saw it in a 'dream' while half awake. Take it or leave it but that is how it is. The Universe (and hence God) is both creative and destructive and that is an undeniable fact. That is how the Universe works, like it or not.

However, we can focus on the creative side that brings matter (and people) together, rather than Religion which by being a mixture of 'good' and 'bad' divides us into Religious identities; thereby causing much trouble in the world.

Well, I don't think I answered all of your previous post because you missed an endquote (you forgot the /) making it so that what you said in its entirety did not appear...

[beldazar]

Tjohn, I have enjoyed reading all your posts on this thread, thankyou :)

[tjohn]

Tjohn, I have enjoyed reading all your posts on this thread, thankyou :)Love you too brother or sister human. :)

[quetzalcoatl]

I'm vegetarian-going on vegan but I wasn't of course referring to us (in a literal sense) eating meat or not. I guess you knew the context but for the sake of those who missed it, the implication is that religion eats up people's minds and their natural spiritual nature.

Religion is not God, nor is Religion a book. It's the interpretation(s) and the doctrines that determine a Religion. We are not born with Religion. Religion is taught to us and the conflicting doctrines are endless, many of them being doublethink and utter nonsense!

I know because I spent much of my life studying many of the doctrines of religion and it all but burned me out. My life as a thinking individual was being taken away and my heart got broken into pieces because I love people. So after many years the truth began to dawn on me and I wish I had seen it earlier because my life is now near its end.

Religion is not about the real God nor is it about the real me nor is Religion about any human born before it destroys true spirituality which we have deep inside the heart! Religion is a deception! A very clever deception!

Religion fills the mind with rubbish and causes divisions of 'us and them' as though religion's god whom claims to have made us all, would choose one nation or people above another.

Babies are not born with hate for other peoples or nations, it is put there through religious and other indoctrinations. Therefore, after leaving religion, I can claim that I am 'born again' not as a Christian religionist but because I, like all people, was born without Religion.

So leme get this straight, you're dragging a avatar of a piss-take on subway sandwiches into a debate on Religion?? - not with me ya ain't! :p

I get wot ya saying & I do generally agree.. - just heard it all before.. - just because someone's not 'playing the game', doesn't mean the don't understand it.. ya preaching to the choir here.. ;)

I've meet Hindus, Muslims, Christians / Catholics, Sociologists & people from the aetherius society, a few Masons / possibly Mormon, people who claim to be devout Buddhists & even gothicy 'satinists' & I don't really think any of them got it all figured out yet.. nor does Icke, nor does Tsarion or Maxwell & nor do me or you! I just know that they aren't much more 'brain-washed' than any other.. Religions / beliefs tend to be by very nature, optional.. So granted the whole of society is somewhat rigged for programming & Religion in general has been reasonable & attributed to much blood-shed, conflict & all-round ethical segregation / polarization & suffering.. It is still the Elite &/or upper echelons whom lead astray & pervert systems beyond reckoning.


I'm just trying to see the 'biggest' picture, in a general sense.. I know shits been bad & still is! I just think you'll find it be a far more complex problem than say getting rid of all religion.. I think you'll find it is a Spiritual immaturity afflicting man-kind not exactly a religious problem per-se, although that has been one of the most obvious manifestations. One thing I have learned is all the idle whining in the world wont make one iota of difference.. ;) - but hey this be a conspiracy forum.. so fire away! ;)

It's a tough one to grasp (if it were in-fact possible to begin with..) - I know for a fact there are other realities / dimensions, there are really aliens & life else-where in this universe.. & I'm fairly sure certain species have interacted with us (human :D) & were most likely reasonable for our creation & that these contacts from 'other realities' is so powerful people in the past have written epic stories chronicling such encounters & being completely 'enchanted' called them 'Gods'.. now I dunno if there is any sufficient 'testimony' or scriptural 'evidence' for monotheism - yet suppose everything had to come from somewhere.. & if there is a singular omnipresent 'God' - dunno what it would want with us.. :D - guess if there's something like a 'God/Gods' & it even half cared about us.. 'it/they' would probably only try to offer guidance or good advice.. then see how we take it or something.. :D

Anyways, I'm errr.. juz waiting for 'New-Age' to get off it's hippy buttocks & bust out some miracles n shit! :p - We're all infinite consciousness remember.. :D

[seanx]

beldazar wrote:
Tjohn, I have enjoyed reading all your posts on this thread, thankyou

I agree. very good

[miracles]

Hey don't go! As a human I love you really!

Well Illuminati of course means an illuminated one and not all of 'Illuminati' are bad; depending on what we mean by an illuminated one.

The only book I have read all the way through and studied in any great detail is the Bible and that's the truth. Academically I did not do very 'good' at school, yet I can still think and see more of the bigger picture than people who are misled by Religion.

Because I 'missed out' at school (thank-you, spell checker, I wrote scool), my brain is more or less balanced with the left and right side and I tend to think in pictures so I guess that's why I'm prone to have lucid 'dreams' and so on, which some call 'visions'. The prophets of old also had them and even today, lots of people have them and dreams or visions may be important or not. You say you do not believe in them but in regard to that, hopefully you might want to read Joel 2:28 - yes the Bible tells the truth sometimes.

Then couldn't this triangle I saw be where the 'illuminati' partly got the idea of pyramid from with the all seeing eye at the top? Only it would seem that most of them (or at least those who control the world,) draw their influence and power from the destructive side of the Universe???

What I told you about the triangle with the mind/essence/spirit of God being at the top and the creative and destructive at the other two corners, did not come from any website nor any book I read. But instead it came as a surprise to me, when I saw it in a 'dream' while half awake. Take it or leave it but that is how it is. The Universe (and hence God) is both creative and destructive and that is an undeniable fact. That is how the Universe works, like it or not.

However, we can focus on the creative side that brings matter (and people) together, rather than Religion which by being a mixture of 'good' and 'bad' divides us into Religious identities; thereby causing much trouble in the world.

Well, I don't think I answered all of your previous post because you missed an endquote (you forgot the /) making it so that what you said in its entirety did not appear...


Love you too. Thats why arguing is a waste of time. God bless. :)

[tjohn]

So leme get this straight, you're dragging a avatar of a piss-take on subway sandwiches into a debate on Religion??This is a forum for debate on Religion, isn't it? - not with me ya ain't! :pThen why did you bother to comment? lol :D

I get wot ya saying & I do generally agree.. - just heard it all before.. - just because someone's not 'playing the game', doesn't mean the don't understand it.. ya preaching to the choir here..

I've meet Hindus, Muslims, Christians / Catholics, Sociologists & people from the aetherius society, a few Masons / possibly Mormon, people who claim to be devout Buddhists & even gothicy 'satinists' & I don't really think any of them got it all figured out yet.. nor does Icke, nor does Tsarion or Maxwell & nor do me or you! I just know that they aren't much more 'brain-washed' than any other.. Religions / beliefs tend to be by very nature, optional.. So granted the whole of society is somewhat rigged for programming & Religion in general has been reasonable & attributed to much blood-shed, conflict & all-round ethical segregation / polarization & suffering.. It is still the Elite &/or upper echelons whom lead astray & pervert systems beyond reckoning.

I'm just trying to see the 'biggest' picture, in a general sense.. I know shits been bad & still is! I just think you'll find it be a far more complex problem than say getting rid of all religion.. Yes I agree it is a far more complex subject but Religion is a brick in the wall and a very big one at that. Shouldn't we at least try to break the wall(s) that imprison us?

I think you'll find it is a Spiritual immaturity afflicting man-kind not exactly a religious problem per-se, although that has been one of the most obvious manifestations. Yes Religion is one of the most obvious manifestations of spiritual immaturity. Religion tells people what to think and feel. Do you agree?

One thing I have learned is all the idle whining in the world wont make one iota of difference.. Oh but it might, so I have to try on here (which is viewed the world over), perhaps some will take notice and then it would not be "idle". - but hey this be a conspiracy forum.. so fire away! ;) I have and I do. :)

It's a tough one to grasp (if it were in-fact possible to begin with..) - I know for a fact there are other realities/dimensions, there are really aliens & life else-where in this universe.. & I'm fairly sure certain species have interacted with us (human :D) & were most likely reasonable for our creation & that these contacts from 'other realities' is so powerful people in the past have written epic stories chronicling such encounters & being completely 'enchanted' called them 'Gods'.. You have it in a nutshell there! ;)

now I dunno if there is any sufficient 'testimony' or scriptural 'evidence' for monotheism - yet suppose everything had to come from somewhere.. & if there is a singular omnipresent 'God' - dunno what it would want with us.. :D - guess if there's something like a 'God/Gods' & it even half cared about us.. 'it/they' would probably only try to offer guidance or good advice.. then see how we take it or something.. :D Unfortunately the advice from Religion has been on the whole bad and it has caused much conflict and bloodshed.

Anyways, I'm errr.. juz waiting for 'New-Age' to get off it's hippy buttocks & bust out some miracles n shit! :p - We're all infinite consciousness remember.. :DNo, actually, as individuals, we do not have "infinite consciousness" but are a very tiny part of the whole, a very tiny part - and it seems to me that the real infinite consciousness is having a 'ducky fit' (though I don't understand what it has to do with ducks) in our very tiny sector of the Universe.

Then with us being a (very) tiny part of the whole, it is mostly up to us to sort out our problems in the world. Agree? One of the main problems preventing that happening is Religion which is a big brick in the wall and when we break through the wall, then we can have peace and be free.

"We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control... Hey teacher, leave them (us) kids alone!"... applies very much to Religion. www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)

Our beautiful human kids are being turned into meat, to be consumed and used by the 'Elite'. A large part of that evil program is through Religion.

[quetzalcoatl]

This is a forum for debate on Religion, isn't it? Then why did you bother to comment? lol

Because das the second time you tried to drag my avatar into it.. jeez.. :rolleyes: bit silly eh? - & yes it is, however this particular thread was originally a debate on a hypothetical question on whether Icke would ever convert to Christianity.. :D

Yes I agree it is a far more complex subject but Religion is a brick in the wall and a very big one at that. Shouldn't we at least try to break the wall(s) that imprison us?

By all means (all means?).. if ya can.. - tis only what they do really; see something different as a 'wall' & seek to convert, &/or neutralize.. I just kinda reckon nothing will come about by force, it has to be change from with-in..

Yes Religion is one of the most obvious manifestations of spiritual immaturity. Religion tells people what to think and feel. Do you agree?

Generally speaking Religion as a whole has & does.. yet it is not always the case.. some people do find it beneficial, others get bored outa their minds.. none of them have really much sway in my thought TBH.. although, I guess the trick is to take whatever resonates with ya & leave the rest.. ya'd be silly to dismiss the lot.. but whatever.. :)

Oh but it might, so I have to try on here (which is viewed the world over), perhaps some will take notice and then it would not be "idle". I have and I do.

I doubt it.. but ya never know.. I'd say keep @ it! ;)

You have it in a nutshell there!

Unfortunately the advice from Religion has been on the whole bad and it has caused much conflict and bloodshed.

Yep.

No, actually, as individuals, we do not have "infinite consciousness" but are a very tiny part of the whole, a very tiny part - and it seems to me that the real infinite consciousness is having a 'ducky fit' (though I don't understand what it has to do with ducks) in our very tiny sector of the Universe.

I'm glad you appreciate the irony.. ;) although I'd suggest something of a 'infinite consciousness' is available to everyone.. - they just don't access it. ;)

Then with us being a (very) tiny part of the whole, it is mostly up to us to sort out our problems in the world. Agree? One of the main problems preventing that happening is Religion which is a big brick in the wall and when we break through the wall, then we can have peace and be free.

Yep, sounds good.. best way to lead is by example.. ;)

"We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control... Hey teacher, leave them (us) kids alone!"... applies very much to Religion. www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw)

LOL! The Wall.. :p - tis a bad place sometimes? ;)

Our beautiful human kids are being turned into meat, to be consumed and used by the 'Elite'. A large part of that evil program is through Religion.

Well, das one way of putting it.. & yeah, it can be all wickedly evil when ya break it down.. Sometimes, if ya can't 'magically' fix everything :rolleyes: there's comfort in the fact that you've done your best with your own self.. - ya realize tis 'juz a ride' & that everyone is soo much more than just the body.