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triso
14-08-2009, 09:35 PM
When to the dentist the other day because my gum is infected where my wisdom tooth is growing. So i'm in agony. I have to pay for that but i can't afford it til the end of the month so i had to borrow it off my parents.
Why is it fair that i need to pay for dental treatment but you can get a sex change free on the NHS?
hengist
15-08-2009, 12:46 AM
Because we are a Marxist society.
candykorn_85
15-08-2009, 01:05 AM
I agree, it's retarded. :/
mikey mikey
15-08-2009, 04:22 AM
Actually it is because of backdoor privitisation of the NHS starting with dental care.
BTW the decision to make sex changes free on the NHS -something that costs the NHS 8,000 quid a time was not made by the NHS. They resisted it. It was ruled by Mr Justice Hidden.
I do not happen to agree with the ruling, but I do noyt know much about the condition.
I do agree it sucks to pay so much for a visit to the dentist. But as I said, that is from the encroaching privatisation movement. Not Marxism.
decim
15-08-2009, 04:31 AM
The problem lies in the government giving franchises to private individuals, dentists, with the pretense presented to the public that NHS services are wholly a 'public' tax payer funded not for profit Service.
Whilst franchise privateer pyrates price gouge those people who are required to pay TWICE for essential treatments as described by the OP.
godgoo
15-08-2009, 04:55 AM
When to the dentist the other day because my gum is infected where my wisdom tooth is growing. So i'm in agony. I have to pay for that but i can't afford it til the end of the month so i had to borrow it off my parents.
Why is it fair that i need to pay for dental treatment but you can get a sex change free on the NHS?This is bad, I had to go just the other. I had A tooth removed. It was one that they had drilled about 15 years ago and it shattered. But I got it taken out for free at the emergency dentist, They then registered me for treatment at that dentist :) So my experience went well only I had to wait 72 hrs for a dentist and I was in serious pain. But it all sorted now. You should ring the NHS hotline, but you will suffer by the time you get treated, they do take the piss.
mikey mikey
15-08-2009, 04:55 AM
All part of the big plan to take away one of the greatest steps towards caring for the normal population.
People pushing for privatisation of the NHS, by featurecreep or overhaul are puppets of the NWO.
US backed lobbies are putting continual pressure on the UK to abolish our healthcare and welfare. And New Labour are letting them gain influence.
As for the Tories, well Dan Hannan MEP shows you his loyalty lies.
It is not enough the PNAC and friends push is into wars we do not want. They want to change the very fabric of British society.
Remember waht happened to Wilson when he did not get involved with the Vietnam War. Bugged by the CIA while daddy Bush was head, forced to retire and then died shortly after.
Look what happened to Dr David "I will probably be found dead in the woods" Kelly when he said there were no WMD in Iraq.
godgoo
15-08-2009, 06:02 AM
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decim
15-08-2009, 06:09 AM
Blessed we are.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
vetis
15-08-2009, 06:47 AM
Its because dentists want to be paid more, they get paid more for private stuff.. its that simple. If the NHS paid them more, more would do it.
triso
15-08-2009, 10:06 AM
Thanks for the posts peeps. I am in absoloute agony and need to go back. Im sure it will cost me more, probs just ask if i can go straight to the hospital to sort it out!
grachtengordel
15-08-2009, 10:26 AM
When to the dentist the other day because my gum is infected where my wisdom tooth is growing. So i'm in agony. I have to pay for that but i can't afford it til the end of the month so i had to borrow it off my parents.
Why is it fair that i need to pay for dental treatment but you can get a sex change free on the NHS?
what was the treatment?
I think NHS dentistry is a lie. I think they fob you off till tou can pay for the treatment , then they will do the work properly. When they do NHS work, they cut corners, do ther minumum work to minumum standard to get the payment from the nhs. Private patients get a better job done because they have the choice of going elsewhere, to any privat e dentist, so the dentist better get it right as he has 'competition' , most towns have one or two nhs dentist.
When I have been with same gum problem they did bugger all, all they did was stuff some iodine soaked lump of cloth down the gum (which did nothing good) and precribe an antibiotic (which works) , which a GP could have done.
When i have pain in teeth they say they can see noting there yet they want to drill and fill teeth that give no pain. Dentist just want to make money from NHS patients, they don't care if they fix thier teeth or not.
triso
15-08-2009, 10:42 AM
well where my wisdom tooth is growing its cutting into the gum and cos i cant brush there its gettin a build of of plaque and is gettin infected. giving me anti-biotics that are quite strong so i need to eat with them always (but i cant because it is painful) cant drink alcohol. I have powerful mouthwash... when i went there she cleaned it up a bit and perscribed me with the meds... I just want it taken out now though its killing.
godgoo
15-08-2009, 11:43 AM
what was the treatment?
I think NHS dentistry is a lie. I think they fob you off till tou can pay for the treatment , then they will do the work properly. When they do NHS work, they cut corners, do ther minumum work to minumum standard to get the payment from the nhs. Private patients get a better job done because they have the choice of going elsewhere, to any privat e dentist, so the dentist better get it right as he has 'competition' , most towns have one or two nhs dentist.
When I have been with same gum problem they did bugger all, all they did was stuff some iodine soaked lump of cloth down the gum (which did nothing good) and precribe an antibiotic (which works) , which a GP could have done.
When i have pain in teeth they say they can see noting there yet they want to drill and fill teeth that give no pain. Dentist just want to make money from NHS patients, they don't care if they fix thier teeth or not.I got mine done for free and I didn't feel a thing. Upper right molar. Plus I am now registered just waiting for my check-up. I can't argue it's free :) and the guy who did was good and the job is good, so I am happy. I know someone who goes private and I would say it's the other way round? because he got his teeth screwed up, going private.
When to the dentist the other day because my gum is infected where my wisdom tooth is growing. So i'm in agony. I have to pay for that but i can't afford it til the end of the month so i had to borrow it off my parents.
Why is it fair that i need to pay for dental treatment but you can get a sex change free on the NHS?
hey it's not that easy to have to a sex change on the NHS it takes years to prove your sane enough before they will even agree to it. you have to go through what is called a real life test living in the female role for 2 years at least. all the NHS gender clinics are closer down and there are only a few left in the whole country. Anyone that has thier gender corrected by the NHS must need thier heads looking at again because the ops are rushed. which is why many choose the Thailand route instead. i could have had my op a few years ago although after finding out that my surgeon was known as the Butcher of Britain I decided not to. didn't fancy having a chewed up rugby players ear for a fanny tbh lol but yea I could go into serious rant mode big time about the shocking treatment at the hands of the NHS dentists ..oh and private too.
they have recked my mouth until I can afford to pay for treatment myself. thinking of seeking legal help because it's that bad at the moment. transsexuals have the one of the highest suicide rates in the country but it's also the one of highest cures rates in medicine. after surgery many go on to live really happy lives and do not need to bother the NHS ever again. an op is around £4000 here in the uk which is nothing to stop someone topping themselves and turning it around for happiness. gender dysphoria is a killer.
but yes it's not fair in some respects as all treatment should be available on the NHS for everyone. no one should be excluded.
Thanks for the posts peeps. I am in absoloute agony and need to go back. Im sure it will cost me more, probs just ask if i can go straight to the hospital to sort it out!
and i know how you feel hun. i've lost my smile and i had a nice smile too. desperate to have my teeth fixed as it's knocking my confidence for six at the moment.
drhemp
15-08-2009, 11:55 AM
Move to Scotland, the English tax payer subsidises the Scottish to have free dental care.
godgoo
15-08-2009, 12:02 PM
Thanks for the posts peeps. I am in absoloute agony and need to go back. Im sure it will cost me more, probs just ask if i can go straight to the hospital to sort it out! when I was told that I would have to wait so long, I asked could I go to a hospital and see a surgeon? they said noway, they will not do it there. So I had to wait for 72 hrs. I actually called an emergency dentist and it took 72hrs :) which is ironic. They only asked about swelling discomfort was not really an issue. Just say your getting chest pains :)
what was the treatment?
I think NHS dentistry is a lie. I think they fob you off till tou can pay for the treatment , then they will do the work properly. When they do NHS work, they cut corners, do ther minumum work to minumum standard to get the payment from the nhs. Private patients get a better job done because they have the choice of going elsewhere, to any privat e dentist, so the dentist better get it right as he has 'competition' , most towns have one or two nhs dentist.
When I have been with same gum problem they did bugger all, all they did was stuff some iodine soaked lump of cloth down the gum (which did nothing good) and precribe an antibiotic (which works) , which a GP could have done.
When i have pain in teeth they say they can see noting there yet they want to drill and fill teeth that give no pain. Dentist just want to make money from NHS patients, they don't care if they fix thier teeth or not.
The reason i lost my eye sight in my right eye is down to the private dentist that did over kill with amalgam on me. and he has just been voted best up and coming dentist in the country. yep that's right give him an award for eugenics :rolleyes:
wise haven
15-08-2009, 12:43 PM
Thanks for the posts peeps. I am in absoloute agony and need to go back. Im sure it will cost me more, probs just ask if i can go straight to the hospital to sort it out!
If it is infected it becomes medical - go to A and E and they have to treat it because it is life threatening.
peace sells
15-08-2009, 12:56 PM
Thanks for the posts peeps. I am in absoloute agony and need to go back. Im sure it will cost me more, probs just ask if i can go straight to the hospital to sort it out!
Hey triso, sorry to hear that you are in pain.
My brother has had loads of problems with his mouth/teeth and has been back and forth to his NHS dentist in the past few months, its horrendous.
Hope your feeling better very soon :)
triso
15-08-2009, 02:01 PM
aww thanks peace sells..
If it is infected it becomes medical - go to A and E and they have to treat it because it is life threatening.
life threatening? chhrrriiiissst
curtaincat
15-08-2009, 02:20 PM
aww thanks peace sells..
life threatening? chhrrriiiissst
have you googled NHS life threatening wisdom teeth, etc.. , i tried heaps of sites , because i know how horrible tooth pain can be. i had an abcess once and went to A & E , it is treated as an emergency because a wisdom tooth is filled with bacteria...
so wise haven is right, they do have to treat it.
The pain is bad enough, but it might get worse. In the mean-time, i have read ( and it does help) ... to gargle and rinse, gargle and rinse, again , with warm salty water.
just mix the salt with warm water and keep swishing it around in your mouth , gently.
this is awful, i really hope you get help. You will , i am sure that wise haven is right, they do have to help you.
godgoo
15-08-2009, 02:23 PM
to gargle and rinse, gargle and rinse, again , with warm salty water. Vodka is better, I used this :) it is a mild anesthetic
Its because dentists want to be paid more, they get paid more for private stuff.. its that simple. If the NHS paid them more, more would do it.
Yeah, all down to greed. If you want the pain to stop, sell ya tv and your granny..pay up.:mad:
aww thanks peace sells..
life threatening? chhrrriiiissst
If you have a big absess on your gum and it bursts...not very pleasant.:eek:
triso
15-08-2009, 02:32 PM
ok now im woried lol
decim
15-08-2009, 02:43 PM
Serious.
Get the best Whiskey or Brandy you can afford & use it as you would a mouth wash, but don't gob it out.
Swill it aroond your mouth for atleast 3 minutes each gob full.
curtaincat
15-08-2009, 02:45 PM
If you have a big absess on your gum and it bursts...not very pleasant.:eek:
deem, that happened to me when i was a teenager, and the thing is the absolute second it bursts, ( so long as you get to spit out the yukky goo straight away), the relief is immediate, the pain is gone in a second.) but i dont think the OP has an abcess. but if he is in heaps of pain with a wisdom tooth, maybe he should gargle either salt water, not sure about vodka, depending ...
but the pain is so bad, that you just want it to pass. i almost fainted with my abcess, and i was a healthy teen, or so i thought.
triso, i would take wise haven's advice, go to A & E ! right now, if you are still in really bad pain.
and , as godgoo said, just say you have chest pains as well. If you are in pain, then your beautiful heart is telling you to do something now.
please go there asap!
mikey mikey
15-08-2009, 02:47 PM
triso.
You are in pain. That is gonna fuck with you emotionally too. Go to hospital.
The chance of it being life threatening is VERY VERY small. So watch the roads when you got to the casualty/ER.
And say your in pain, you are worried and that you really need a doctor and a dentist to check you out.
And do not get too worried as you will make yourself feel very bad.
And take a friend or family member.
And get well soon.
Sending you good thoughts/Praying for you
godgoo
15-08-2009, 03:20 PM
triso.
You are in pain. That is gonna fuck with you emotionally too. Go to hospital.
The chance of it being life threatening is VERY VERY small. So watch the roads when you got to the casualty/ER.
And say your in pain, you are worried and that you really need a doctor and a dentist to check you out.
And do not get too worried as you will make yourself feel very bad.
And take a friend or family member.
And get well soon.
Sending you good thoughts/Praying for youHe'll be in waiting for 6 hrs before he gets seen. Then they'll just give him a premed or something for the night, they wont even attempt anything longterm. He'll have to goto the dentist.
nesht
15-08-2009, 03:34 PM
My wisdom tooth flares up now and again too, one thing that seems to really work is grapefruit seed extract - you can drink it and use it as a mouthwash, but it clears away all the infection as well as antibiotics when I've used it.
Forgot to add, hope it clears up and you're feeling better soon!
mikey mikey
15-08-2009, 04:54 PM
He'll be in waiting for 6 hrs before he gets seen. Then they'll just give him a premed or something for the night, they wont even attempt anything longterm. He'll have to goto the dentist.
Hospital dental care
The hospital dental service has four main functions:
•the provision of consultant advice and treatment for cases of special difficulty referred to hospitals by general dental and medical practitioners, or for patients admitted to hospital as a result of trauma or disease.
•the dental care, including comprehensive treatment, of long-stay hospital in-patients
•the dental care of short-stay patients when this is required for the relief of pain or other emergency, or as part of, or in support of their general treatment.
•the treatment of certain out-patients, where there are medical considerations which make it desirable for the treatment to be carried out in a hospital
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=694
onair
15-08-2009, 05:19 PM
Toothache nothing worse except the cost .Try not to think about it and gargle warm water and salt as it's more effective on killing bacteria than any listerine type product .
mikey mikey
15-08-2009, 06:30 PM
If triso is really worried, he should go to a hospital.
99.9 per cent it is nothing, but shit happens. Especially when you do no receive attention.
For Want of a Dentist
Pr. George's Boy Dies After Bacteria From Tooth Spread to Brain
By Mary Otto
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 28, 2007
By the time Deamonte's own aching tooth got any attention, the bacteria from the abscess had spread to his brain, doctors said. After two operations and more than six weeks of hospital care, the Prince George's County boy died.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022702116.html
An extreme case? Read on, but do not panic. Just go to hospital.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_danger_of_an_abscess_tooth
godgoo
15-08-2009, 06:33 PM
the dental care of short-stay patients when this is required for the relief of pain or other emergency, or as part of, or in support of their general treatment.Painkillers thats about it, trust me they dont do ouwt.
mikey mikey
15-08-2009, 06:38 PM
Painkillers thats about it, trust me they dont do ouwt.
Really? I feel sorry you had such a bad experience.
Cos every time I went to hospital, they treat me really quickly and really well.
mariantisocial
15-08-2009, 07:51 PM
hey triso
dunno if my experience will help you but its worth a go. I went to the emergency dental department at the hospital in whitechapel (dunno if there is one near you that has a maxilliofacial unit ..i think its called something like that) i had to wait but had them all removed for free. I think its worth a trip to the hospital, tell them you're in agony and that you cannot afford the dentist.
Hope you get soemwhere with it. I just took a number waited had saw someone dentist or surgeon or someone (was years ago) and within a couple of weeks had them removed under general.
best of luck
m
x
mrmoney
15-08-2009, 08:32 PM
All I'll say is: whatever you do, don't let them use mercury in their dental work.
triso
16-08-2009, 11:40 AM
cheers guys, i'm going to london tomorrow so i wont be able to go. probs gonna go tuesday though. i haveny finished the course of medication yet but i defnately know i'm not going to get a repeat perscription. I need it sorted now, two of my jobs requires talking
disorder2k8
16-08-2009, 11:57 AM
have you got a NHS dental walk in centre in your town?
We have one here, its pretty good, if you need a tooth out or some emergency work just walk in (no apointment usually needed) and it costs about 6-7 quid to pull a tooth if you are employed, and free if you are unemployed.
triso
19-08-2009, 11:56 PM
the tooth was sharp and i needed to have it filed.. cos it was cuttin into the gum and making it swell more. Im on different meds now and it is working better. And i'm being refered to my local hospital to have it removed at some point. So happy days in the end. Thanks to all tht commented, appreciate it x
peace sells
20-08-2009, 12:37 AM
Hey Triso,
Glad to hear your on the mend.
:)