Am I the only one getting bored here??.....

[james777]

This Forum is really starting to bore me. When I first started here it was exciting and full of all kinds of diverse information. As time has gone by I've noticed the decline of 'new information' and I noticed when I started to post my personal thoughts and feelings then I soon became a target here for some. I've been accused of all kinds of things and called a number of things. It just gets to a point where it's absolutely ridiculous!

I've discovered that this forum is actually full of the most closed 'open-minded' people I've ever encountered, people full of anger, hatred, prejudices, and contradictions. People love to 'twist' the words of others in order to mold them into whatever they wish. I get followed around post after post to thread after thread, harassed by insecure individuals with nothing more to do then spray deceitful accusations and hate building connotations. I don't mind it really, but it's just beginning to bore me tremendously! It's no wonder that most people don't even bother posting anything here for fear of public ridicule and scrutiny instead of actual debate.

I'm not referring to everyone here, in fact I've had discussions with great people with great things to say. The ones I'm referring to 'know' who they are and 'know' why they do what they do. Some people actually believe that insults and trolling are in the best interest of 'exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real'.

[soglad]

This Forum is really starting to bore me. When I first started here it was exciting and full of all kinds of diverse information. As time has gone by I've noticed the decline of 'new information' and I noticed when I started to post my personal thoughts and feelings then I soon became a target here for some. I've been accused of all kinds of things and called a number of things. It just gets to a point where it's absolutely ridiculous!

I've discovered that this forum is actually full of the most closed 'open-minded' people I've ever encountered, people full of anger, hatred, prejudices, and contradictions. People love to 'twist' the words of others in order to mold them into whatever they wish. I get followed around post after post to thread after thread, harassed by insecure individuals with nothing more to do then spray deceitful accusations and hate building connotations. I don't mind it really, but it's just beginning to bore me tremendously! It's no wonder that most people don't even bother posting anything here for fear of public ridicule and scrutiny instead of actual debate.

I'm not referring to everyone here, in fact I've had discussions with great people with great things to say. The ones I'm referring to 'know' who they are and 'know' why they do what they do. Some people actually believe that insults and trolling are in the best interest of 'exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real'.



100% true, I found out a lot of bad things about this forum too and I really have lost a lot of hope in it, but what's important to me is the beautiful, true people (and trust me, they are) who I keep in touch with and are the true essence of the forum. I sense there are a few bad apples spreading their hatred and misery to others simply because they are bored or angry, but that doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I find the PMs to be better than the actual forums at times.

Anyways, thanks for post!

Dav.

[cf24]

I don't post much on here, but read regularly, and I have to admit not checking in so regularly these days as it has gone down hill. Very sad, used to be just a load of good posts and nice folk here once.....:(

[soglad]

Yep, now we're pushed back into PMing each other...

[john white]

All perception is simply a matter of focus

Create something better!

Or be content with what is created for you

[seanx]

Yes, that would be a great start! You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written.

Here's an honest opinion.

Read the above which you wrote, Mr. James - and maybe you
might get some idea why people don't pay much attention to
your posts anymore.

We're here to debate...not to be 'saved' to your truth.

I find it particularly annoying. Brought up with all that crap literally
beaten into me - I come to an alternative, free-thinking site -
NOT to have the SAME non-thinking crap being peddled.

Can you not do your converting somewhere else? Is that too
much too ask on a site called the dave icke forum?


And that the reason the forum is going downhill. If it's
not your encoded christian ranting..,.it's the unending
dreary political postings of people like Decemeber, or in the
last few weeks, more and more anti-jewish stuff.

But that's the price of a genuine true free forum. We have to accept
it and give everybody the same freedom.

In the end, 'Time is truth's greatest friend'

[barbitone]

Well said Seanx:D

[edelweiss pirate]

So the Sean and James love affair continues eh?

You know what might actually make life here better?

If you two could actually just forget the fabricated set of beliefs you both hold so dear and actually hold out the hand of friendship...

What does arguing with each other month in month out achieve?

Bugger all I tell ya.

Be friends please. That's all ya need to do. Don't despise someone for what they believe, that's what fascists do.

[seanx]

If you two could actually just forget the fabricated set of beliefs you both hold so dear and actually hold out the hand of friendship...

You're another one of those 'christian' guys hanging around here.......

[cleft_asunder]

Frankly I don't notice anything different. I don't think I could find the negative posts if I tried. Oh sure, people get touchie about their and other peoples beliefs, but shit, that's how it is.

I think you're exaggerating. You should pay a visit to Illusions forum sometime, and click a David Icke topic. Those guys couldn't take anything seriously for a second, even if L.A. sank into the ocean. (Sorry John)

[umbrex]

This Forum is really starting to bore me. When I first started here it was exciting and full of all kinds of diverse information. As time has gone by I've noticed the decline of 'new information' and I noticed when I started to post my personal thoughts and feelings then I soon became a target here for some. I've been accused of all kinds of things and called a number of things. It just gets to a point where it's absolutely ridiculous!

I've discovered that this forum is actually full of the most closed 'open-minded' people I've ever encountered, people full of anger, hatred, prejudices, and contradictions. People love to 'twist' the words of others in order to mold them into whatever they wish. I get followed around post after post to thread after thread, harassed by insecure individuals with nothing more to do then spray deceitful accusations and hate building connotations. I don't mind it really, but it's just beginning to bore me tremendously! It's no wonder that most people don't even bother posting anything here for fear of public ridicule and scrutiny instead of actual debate.

I'm not referring to everyone here, in fact I've had discussions with great people with great things to say. The ones I'm referring to 'know' who they are and 'know' why they do what they do. Some people actually believe that insults and trolling are in the best interest of 'exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real'.



I agree

James. My first impression of you was bad, to put it lightly, but i realize now that your not much different than the rest of us in quest for real info. You actually do make some valid points which are soon to be ridiculed. I remember this one time where u somehow interpreted the scriptures as the vatican being the whore of Babylon..

Then i saw the back of a Vatican coin. What was there ? the whore of Babylon.....

The forum has become uninteresting, predominantly because of the serious trolls here (imo ofc) who seem to gang up, nurture their community and have a good time. Oh, and have thousands of posts

At first i tried to pass on serious and interesting info which could benefit all, but when stuff about paris hilton and the real life deathstar orbiting jupiter or whatever was more interesting, the joy of passing on faded.
To me, this forum has proved that people don't want to find out stuff for themselves (i am generalizing, there are alot of intelligent, open minded and wonderful ppl here!), they need something to believe in. And this place offers it. Selective choosing of the info.

rense.com, informationliberation.com and other sites are much better for dialogue and info, and tbh - i come here mostly to see what kind of shit is sprayed on the extreme and unrealistic level. Check out the woo woo's so to speak.

[edelweiss pirate]

You're another one of those 'christian' guys hanging around here.......

Boy do you have a lot to learn.

So you reply to a call for peace and friendship in that way eh?

Well listen buddy tell me please what you think you are and I will tell you what you really are.

[umbrex]

Boy do you have a lot to learn.

but cant we gang up on him and discredit him because he's only a tied upfreak lost in his own beliefs and then have a ranting ?

Much like a character assassination like the US likes to perform on it's opposition ?

So fun

...or so Fox ?

[edelweiss pirate]

He does seem rather too wrapped up in his own vendetta against James...

He's clearly quite unhappy, shame he feels the need to share it.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings james777!:

It is perception: I think this is a wonderful Board. As I 'see it', we have all, everyone, been invited into Mr. David Ickes House.

All forms of Doctrines are welcome, 'Their desire, is for all to bring something 'Positive' to the 'Party'

All forms of decorum has been observed: from polite 'Tea-Party' to 'Machete Fights', and every degree there-in.

For me, how I 'behave' in a house where I am a 'guest' is of the utmost importance.

I have also been permitted to post my understandings without undo harrassment. For this I am grateful. My Kindest Regards to Mr. Icke, his family, and staff. Without him, this wouldn't even be here.

As much as those who are in agreement with Mr. Ickes findings and conclusions, you, must respect their conclusions and be prepared to support your conclusions in as calm and erudite manner as possible, which defers respect upon your conclusions. Not easy, but possible. End of that long, hard, dusty day, anythings possible!

It is all perception: james777

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[seanx]

Well listen buddy tell me please what you think you are and I will tell you what you really are.

Sorry, buddy, that incomprehensible.

My point is clear.

I don't come here to be 'converted'. to 'You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written

Now when somebody is using this forum to spread this usual
nonsense, people have the RIGHT to point it out.

And not only to James.

I did the same to our mad mullah, Positive terror
when he was spreading all that fundamentalist islamic
nonsense.

[umbrex]

Sorry, buddy, that incomprehensible.
I don't come here to be 'converted'. to 'You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written


So you come here to tell the converters; fuck off; i'm not converting or something, because alot of negativity comes from you. actually, i dont recall seeing one positive or contributing post from you here.

[seanx]

He does seem rather too wrapped up in his own vendetta against James...

He's clearly quite unhappy, shame he feels the need to share it.

Amazing how touchy these christians get when people have a go
at one of their own!!

[kblood]

I believe forgiving yourself is far more effective than "confessing" to Jesus. Im not sure though.

[umbrex]

Amazing how touchy these christians get when people have a go
at one of their own!!

u do realize your pretty screwed if it turns out he isnt a hardcore christian right ?

[seanx]

umbrex
wrote;
So you come here to tell the converters; fuck off; i'm not converting or something, because alot of negativity comes from you. actually, i dont recall seeing one positive or contributing post here

a lot of negativity????

Just because I tell one of your christian mates that I don't want to be converted???

That's negative?

[umbrex]

umbrex
wrote;


a lot of negativity????

Just because I tell one of your christian mates that I don't want to be converted???

That's negative?

no, because everytime i see james making a point about non christian matters, u turn and try to make him seem like a religious nutter - disregarding the matter at hand, making ignorant claims about conversion, which doesnt at all relate to the topic, which indicates you being hostile.

but who knows, maybe the snot clogging is chronic.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think the only thing I've said about Christianity is that I believe in Jesus Christ.

Oh no, forgive me, I also said that Christianity is another side of the Illuminati coin.

This clearly makes me fair game for Sean and his zealous persecution fantasy.

TBH Sean you're the one who time and time again seems to be the intolerant and aggresively dogmatic one here.

You forget that the problem with religion is that it is unfortunately often hijacked with people with attitudes rather like yours.

[cleft_asunder]

I agree

James. My first impression of you was bad, to put it lightly, but i realize now that your not much different than the rest of us in quest for real info. You actually do make some valid points which are soon to be ridiculed. I remember this one time where u somehow interpreted the scriptures as the vatican being the whore of Babylon..

Then i saw the back of a Vatican coin. What was there ? the whore of Babylon.....

The forum has become uninteresting, predominantly because of the serious trolls here (imo ofc) who seem to gang up, nurture their community and have a good time. Oh, and have thousands of posts

At first i tried to pass on serious and interesting info which could benefit all, but when stuff about paris hilton and the real life deathstar orbiting jupiter or whatever was more interesting, the joy of passing on faded.
To me, this forum has proved that people don't want to find out stuff for themselves (i am generalizing, there are alot of intelligent, open minded and wonderful ppl here!), they need something to believe in. And this place offers it. Selective choosing of the info.

rense.com, informationliberation.com and other sites are much better for dialogue and info, and tbh - i come here mostly to see what kind of shit is sprayed on the extreme and unrealistic level. Check out the woo woo's so to speak.

I agree that many people are here because they need someone to believe in, rather than being here because they were on a quest for truth, and ended up here. It's like, they are just waiting for the next Icke book to come out, yet they never fully understood the periouvs ones!

There really aren't that many deep threads, and the awakeing forum is nearly dead. Wtf? If anything, the Icke forum should be the deepest of all, heavily populated by minds challenging the nature of reality. Instead, we just have head knoders who amount to nothing more than filler. Where are the Adramelech's of this forum? Where's the fucking passion? And what happened to Adramelech any way?

When this forum first came out, I thought it would be like the old Icke forum x2, minus the trolls. But so far I don't see many waves in this water.

[seanx]

no, because everytime i see james making a point about non christian matters, u turn and try to make him seem like a religious nutter - disregarding the matter at hand, making ignorant claims about conversion, which doesnt at all relate to the topic, which indicates you being hostile.



I'm going to fall off my seat soon....

I make him look like a religious nutter??????

In the thread where he was telling us dave icle was a brainwashed
madman - I disagreed and instead I was told - and I 'll have to repeat
it again because you obviously have not read it

'You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written

Sound like an open mind, my Danish friend.

And that only one of them.

Ask freespark etc...all were told to stop being stupid and 'repent'
or they won't be saved..

And I'm making him look like a religious nut??.

my friend, he needs help from no-one!!!

Any way, that's the end of it. This is now getting pointless.

The point is made.

The good thing is that there are many open-minded, free
thinkers on this site, people not afraid to go 'beyond the
prision of the thought systems' that some of us have been
'conditioned' into.

Maybe it is this fearlessness that frightens all those
people who want to remain wedded to the prision of conditioned
thinking' and it is their fear that brings them here to try to stop it.

Maybe they are doing us a favour. To show us all the obstacles
before us.

[phoebe]

Sorry, buddy, that incomprehensible.

My point is clear.

I don't come here to be 'converted'. to 'You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written

Now when somebody is using this forum to spread this usual
nonsense, people have the RIGHT to point it out.

And not only to James.

I did the same to our mad mullah, Positive terror
when he was spreading all that fundamentalist islamic
nonsense.

How about a little tolerance Sean?
You believe Sean is here to convert you.
What is it you are trying to do?
You are trying to convert people to your point of view
Trying to make us see that James is a bad apple.
James doesn't only post about his beliefs
And so what if he did?
I see more hate and intolerance coming from you
Than from most others.

The quote you give above from James is pretty natural,
Don't you think?
He believes a certain way...
And he wants others to understand and see where he's coming from.
Much the same way as anyone here will do the same
Regarding any belief or theory they might have.

Furthermore, James' quote:

"You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written"

is absolutely spot on
If you would 'read between the lines'
And if only you would take your "religion is all bullshit"
Blinkers off and look at that quote without any preconceptions.
Can you interpret it in any other way other than the apparent
Literal 'religious' meaning?

[phoebe]

I believe forgiving yourself is far more effective than "confessing" to Jesus. Im not sure though.

Just a little further...
Go on, I know you can do it!
You're almost there....

[seanx]

This clearly makes me fair game for Sean and his zealous persecution fantasy.

TBH Sean you're the one who time and time again seems to be the intolerant and aggresively dogmatic one here.

You forget that the problem with religion is that it is unfortunately often hijacked with people with attitudes rather like yours.

Listen, mate - all i'm asking fundamentalist christians
like James or the fundamentalist Islam guy- is give
us a break.

We all know these beliefs SYSTEMS.

Most of us know them by heart.

We come to an alternative site like this to debate NEW
IDEAS, NEW THOUGHTS, MEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS.

Now, if that is 'zealous persecution fantasy'.. then,
maybe my friend you are MORE programmed in to the
'I believe in Jesus' Program than you thought?

[cleft_asunder]

Forgiving yourself is a sin in the bible. Only Jesus can forgive you, therefore you're going to hell for forgiving yourself. (such an easy thing to go to hell for eternity) :rolleyes:

[cleft_asunder]

Listen, mate - all i'm asking fundamentalist christians
like James or the fundamentalist Islam guy- is give
us a break.

We all know these beliefs SYSTEMS.

Most of us know them by heart.

We come to an alternative site like this to debate NEW
IDEAS, NEW THOUGHTS, MEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS.

Now, if that is 'zealous persecution fantasy'.. then,
maybe my friend you are MORE programmed in to the
'I believe in Jesus' Program than you thought?

You know I used to be extremely infuriated by Christians and their whole attitude. Ever since I let it go, it doesn't effect me in the least. They can't convert you, and you can't change them, so the solution is to just stop. Stop trying to save the world. Stop trying to be the one who's right. Focus on yourself and relevant people. Your anger only feeds your ego and the Reptilians, and you are rebelling against yourself when you are angry. Anylise your emotions, and you'll realise how rediculous you're behaving. And after a while you are able to convert anger into laughter.

Watch this fantastic clip sean, explaining what I mean: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[edelweiss pirate]

Forgiving yourself is a sin in the bible. Only Jesus can forgive you, therefore you're going to hell for forgiving yourself. (such an easy thing to go to hell for eternity) :rolleyes:

Sorry mate but that's not in the Bible, that's the Catholic church.

The major problem is that you see no distinction between Jesus Christ and the church which hijacked him and attempted to bury his truth in elitist control dogma.

[dondaz]

Forgiving yourself is a sin in the bible. Only Jesus can forgive you, therefore you're going to hell for forgiving yourself. (such an easy thing to go to hell for eternity)

To think billions of people have been manipulated over thousands of years with these simple mind control techniques. Bloody amazing.

Bloody true!

[cleft_asunder]

Sorry mate but that's not in the Bible, that's the Catholic church.

The major problem is that you see no distinction between Jesus Christ and the church which hijacked him and attempted to bury his truth in elitist control dogma.

I do see a distinction, but it's not important enough for me to take it further.

[seanx]

Dondaz wrote:
To think billions of people have been manipulated over thousands of years with these simple mind control techniques. Bloody amazing.

Bloody true

Absolutely true.

And if you criticize these christians, you're being 'angry', 'negative' ,
or ''zealously persecutioning them.'

Or you're trying to force your 'beliefs' onto them!!

Imagine??? - going to an dave icle site and finding people who
agree with his ideas??

How weird is that!

[cleft_asunder]

Dondaz wrote:


Absolutely true.

And if you criticize these christians, you're being 'angry', 'negative' ,
or ''zealously persecutioning them.'

Or you're trying to force your 'beliefs' onto them!!

Imagine??? - going to an dave icle site and finding people who
agree with his ideas??

How weird is that!

Wake up. Fuck it.

[edelweiss pirate]

You all agree then on something which is actually untrue.

And which one of you even admitted as such.

Well how strange. I guess that's what they call dogma.

[synergy777]

edel teach me then

[james777]

..

Here's an honest opinion.

Read the above which you wrote, Mr. James - and maybe you
might get some idea why people don't pay much attention to
your posts anymore.

Who said anything about paying attention to my posts?? It's quite the opposite if you look at it.

We're here to debate...not to be 'saved' to your truth.

I've never once asked you to accept my truth, be saved or even read one word that I've typed. You, under your own free will, have chosen to read my posts and contribute your hateful accusations and opinions.

I find it particularly annoying. Brought up with all that crap literally
beaten into me - I come to an alternative, free-thinking site -
NOT to have the SAME non-thinking crap being peddled.

LOOK ELSEWHERE..........

Can you not do your converting somewhere else? Is that too
much too ask on a site called the dave icke forum?


And that the reason the forum is going downhill. If it's
not your encoded christian ranting..,.it's the unending
dreary political postings of people like Decemeber, or in the
last few weeks, more and more anti-jewish stuff.

Well if you're going downhill that's your choice. I'd like to think most are just climbing the information tree.

But that's the price of a genuine true free forum. We have to accept
it and give everybody the same freedom.

Yep, so you do understand!! You must just enjoy trolling!

In the end, 'Time is truth's greatest friend'

So the Sean and James love affair continues eh?

It's not love from my end. This guy follows me around everywhere! I don't even have to mention his name and ....... BANG, he right here talking some more bullshit.......usually just validating the points I'm making anyways.....

I agree

James. My first impression of you was bad, to put it lightly, but i realize now that your not much different than the rest of us in quest for real info. You actually do make some valid points which are soon to be ridiculed. I remember this one time where u somehow interpreted the scriptures as the vatican being the whore of Babylon..

Then i saw the back of a Vatican coin. What was there ? the whore of Babylon.....

It's crazy right!! Just because my beliefs are slanted on the Original Greek New Testament and the Hebrew Old Testament doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Most people auto-matically dis-credit what I say because they believe I'm under some dogmatic transe......believe me, I'm way past religion and way past dogma.......

rense.com, informationliberation.com and other sites are much better for dialogue and info, and tbh - i come here mostly to see what kind of shit is sprayed on the extreme and unrealistic level. Check out the woo woo's so to speak.

I'm going to fall off my seat soon....

Good......

I make him look like a religious nutter??????

Well you sure try to. All you ever talk about is religion and dogma.......I'll be talking about something completely different(like in this thread) and you'll pop up accusing me of all kinds of things.......you do realize that one of Lucifer's name's is the 'Accuser', right? Maybe you need to cleanse yourself of some of these evil spirits......

In the thread where he was telling us dave icle was a brainwashed
madman

Fuck you, I never said that! Your perception is totally fucked up! You might know how to read, but you sure don't know what understanding is all about. Talk about a total brainwashed (see only what you wanna see) person......

'You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written

I didn't make it up. IT IS WRITTEN!

Ask freespark etc...all were told to stop being stupid and 'repent'
or they won't be saved..

Again you're making this up........if you have all the facts why do you bring others names' into this for consignment?

And I'm making him look like a religious nut??.

Trying too.......

my friend, he needs help from no-one!!!

Any way, that's the end of it. This is now getting pointless.

Yes, true, most of your posts are.....

The point is made.

What point?

Maybe it is this fearlessness that frightens all those
people who want to remain wedded to the prision of conditioned
thinking' and it is their fear that brings them here to try to stop it.

Maybe they are doing us a favour. To show us all the obstacles
before us.

Sorry mate but that's not in the Bible, that's the Catholic church.

The major problem is that you see no distinction between Jesus Christ and the church which hijacked him and attempted to bury his truth in elitist control dogma.

Great point! A lot of people have no understanding of this and they themselves get caught in the 'dogma' they claim to be free of......

[seanx]

I couldn't be bothered responding to you, at this stage.

But you said you never called Mr icke or his ideas 'brainwashed.

Yet, this is what you said when you were in your red colour
period.

Now, my friend you really are taking the piss....

Either you go through personality changes or you think we'll a bit
dim here

You wrote:

[B]My perception is that this good o boy dave was and is a major player in this 'MK ULTRA' program. Knowingly or NOT. I believe his great 'awakening' was actually a great 'brainwashing' and he is now nothing more than a 'PLF'(programmable life form). I

[phoebe]

To think billions of people have been manipulated over thousands of years with these simple mind control techniques. Bloody amazing.

Bloody true!

Yet at the same time
YOU deny yourself vast reservoirs of knowledge
Because you believe the whole thing to be completely false.

These religious texts contain answers to all your questions
If only you are willing to look.

You only have to confess that you're a sinner in this world and ask Jesus into your life and repenting is actually 'turning away', so you can turn away from your evilness and BOOM.....you'll be saved......laugh if you want to, but it is written

Read this quote again, with the following changes:
confess=realise
sinner=one who believes they are separate from god/creator/infinite love
jesus=your divine self
evilness=sin/illusion
saved=enlightened

[seanx]

Read this quote again, with the following changes:
confess=realise
sinner=one who believes they are separate from god/creator/infinite love
jesus=your divine self
evilness=sin/illusion
saved=enlightened

That would be true....but fundamentalist christianity perverts this
by insisting you can ONLY be saved through Jesus.

That Jesus ( ie, THEIR church) is the ONLY way and the ONLY SON
to salvation.

It is manipulating great universal truths and turing them in to
fear-based control systems.

[i am all i am]

Sorry mate but that's not in the Bible, that's the Catholic church.

The major problem is that you see no distinction between Jesus Christ and the church which hijacked him and attempted to bury his truth in elitist control dogma.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Edelweiss Pirate.

What source do you have, apart from the church inspired bible, that makes any mention of Jesus Christ ???

Whithout an independant source, all you have is a story that is the ONLY source of corroboration for itself. There are more sources for confirmation of reptilians than there has ever been for the mythical figure of Jesus Christ.

THANK YOU.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

[phoebe]

That would be true....but fundamentalist christianity perverts this
by insisting you can ONLY be saved through Jesus.

That Jesus ( ie, THEIR church) is the ONLY way and the ONLY SON
to salvation.

It is manipulating great universal truths and turing them in to
fear-based control systems.

I'm not talking about Christianity
I'm talking about the ancient texts.
A lot of people seem to write the whole thing off
In one fell swoop.

[cleft_asunder]

Yet at the same time
YOU deny yourself vast reservoirs of knowledge
Because you believe the whole thing to be completely false.

These religious texts contain answers to all your questions
If only you are willing to look.



Read this quote again, with the following changes:
confess=realise
sinner=one who believes they are separate from god/creator/infinite love
jesus=your divine self
evilness=sin/illusion
saved=enlightened

Yes but your view of Jesus and all that stuff is totally a minority view, and the vast majority of Christians would disagree with you. If what you say is true, then salvation doesn't matter anymore, because so few people would know the interpretation you just presented, therefore so few people would be saved. So then, why try to convert anyone?

[seanx]

I'm talking about the ancient texts.

But that's the whole point.

How great universal truths were and are being corrupted by these
man-made religions.

[phoebe]

Yes but your view of Jesus and all that stuff is totally a minority view, and the vast majority of Christians would disagree with you. If what you say is true, then salvation doesn't matter anymore, because so few people would know the interpretation you just presented, therefore so few people would be saved. So then, why try to convert anyone?

I'm not talking about Christianity,
I'm talking about the religious texts.
And I was just trying to point out to Dondaz
That he shouldn't write off huge swathes of ancient knowledge
Because his conspiracy studies have taught him that
Religion is mind control.

[seanx]

Religion is mind control.
__________________

Do you honestly believe that fundamentalist christianity, fundamentalist
islam, judiasm...and our friends..the Mormons and a lot of the wacky
new age stuff is not plain, good-old mind-control?

[james777]

.I couldn't be bothered responding to you, at this stage.

But you did anyways.........you just can't help your trolling ways......can ya?

That's because you have nothing valid to say.

But you said you never called Mr icke or his ideas 'brainwashed.

Yet, this is what you said when you were in your red colour
period.

Now, my friend you really are taking the piss....

Either you go through personality changes or you think we'll a bit
dim here

You wrote:

Look kid, I really don't know what to tell you. If you do not posses the basic skills of understanding, it's not really my fault. I said it is my 'perception'-a way of regarding, understanding or interpreting something; a mental impression. Now with that said, you may(or may not) begin to understand that I was not stating that as 'matter of facts'. I didn't accuse or propagandize David Icke. If you didn't have selective reading and comprehention, you could scroll down to my next post in that thread and see how I actually stick up for Icke.

Anyways, I'm sure your hateful bigotry will again blind you of simple facts and you'll end up contradicting yourself yet again.

[phoebe]

Do you honestly believe that fundamentalist christianity, fundamentalist
islam, judiasm...and our friends..the Mormons and a lot of the wacky
new age stuff is not plain, good-old mind-control?

Did I say I believed that?
No, I didn't and neither do I.
But it appears to me (and maybe I'm wrong)
With regard to some conspiracists...
That because they know religion is mind control
They immediately write it all off as bullshit.
(Which in itself is evidence of mind control)
Whereas, as you said, the teachings contain universal truths
Which, many people miss out on
Because they can't get over the stigma of 'religion'.

[james777]

.I LOVE YOU.

G'day Edelweiss Pirate.

What source do you have, apart from the church inspired bible, that makes any mention of Jesus Christ ???

It's the other way around my friend, there are only Bible inspired churches, not church inspired Bibles............Religion is the biggest crime of humanity because people get caught up in 'church' instead of the 'written word'.....

THANK YOU.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

[cheeb]

Do you honestly believe that fundamentalist christianity, fundamentalist
islam, judiasm...and our friends..the Mormons and a lot of the wacky
new age stuff is not plain, good-old mind-control?

I don't reckon they can see it seanx,
and i will go out on a limb here,
Fuck jesus-poor me stereotype,
Fuck mohammid-intimadator
Fuck Moses-interrogator,
Fuck Buddah-Aloof,
And hit zen over the head with a big stick,
;)

[nati killah]

Greetings

This is my first post on this forum and I think this is an appropriate thread to post on. I have been skimming and scamming these pages for weeks now.

I would have to say that james777 does bring up a good point here. I usually read through threads before they get removed to the rant room and I do see how he is endlessly harassed by a select few members here.

I'm not here to make enemies. I'm 'nati(illuminati) killah'. Peace to all, even if you wish me the opposite. Sorry I have to join here with combative writing, but I do not know how people may react.

[cheeb]

[QUOTE=nati killah;98159]Greetings

This is my first post on this forum and I think this is an appropriate thread to post on. I have been skimming and scamming these pages for weeks now.

I would have to say that james777 does bring up a good point here. I usually read through threads before they get removed to the rant room and I do see how he is endlessly harassed by a select few members here.

I'm not here to make enemies. I'm 'nati(illuminati) killah'. Peace to all, even if you wish me the opposite. Sorry I have to join here with combative writing, but I do not know how people may react.[/QUOTE

greetings,nati killah,
I am not attacking james777,
just some of his ideas,
I am sure he didn't pluck them out of the ether,
gotta be taught em from somewhere,
and as for times 7,
up until last night,
whatever,
but there now seems to be something,
very likeable,
about him,
Enjoy yourself nati killah,
It's a forum,
not the world.
:):):)

[cleft_asunder]

Did I say I believed that?
No, I didn't and neither do I.
But it appears to me (and maybe I'm wrong)
With regard to some conspiracists...
That because they know religion is mind control
They immediately write it all off as bullshit.
(Which in itself is evidence of mind control)
Whereas, as you said, the teachings contain universal truths
Which, many people miss out on
Because they can't get over the stigma of 'religion'.

Well yeah, I we can all agree with that, so what's the problem?

[cleft_asunder]

Greetings

This is my first post on this forum and I think this is an appropriate thread to post on. I have been skimming and scamming these pages for weeks now.

I would have to say that james777 does bring up a good point here. I usually read through threads before they get removed to the rant room and I do see how he is endlessly harassed by a select few members here.

I'm not here to make enemies. I'm 'nati(illuminati) killah'. Peace to all, even if you wish me the opposite. Sorry I have to join here with combative writing, but I do not know how people may react.

Yes, but doesn't he ask for it? What I mean is, if I were a Christian going to a Muslim forum posting my beliefs, I would get heat. Now I don't want to amount this forum to a religious cult, because it's not, but the reason it seems so similar is because the people here care too much about other peoples beliefs. For example, Sean cares too much that James is preaching. Let him preech! Really, how much success has he achieved? Who are his converts? You can't change anyone. If you don't agree, then don't agree. If you do, you do.

[john white]

Great! A fight on here!

Why not? It doesn't matter

What can we expect from a thread about Boredom

Truth is, you all do what the fuck you like within pretty loose boundaries and anyone can have their say and no-one can stop them: IF they think their say is worth it

And thats the trick to an interesting forum

[auron]

Who wants a bet that this will end up in the rant room? :D

[astraltraveller]

hello all

just a thought here but this site has had several hack attacks withought uccess causing too much disruption but havnt the illuminati and freemasons allways infiltrated organisations in order to over take them or bring them down . jus wondering if thiers any people who have been deliberatly sent here to cause in-fighting . maybe not but it wouldnt suprise me if thier not here already they might be in the future . like thiers a large influx about hatred towards jews , david icke had people trying to say he was anticemitic before , jus wondering if that isnt deliberate to cause a stir . maybe im jus talking rubbish but maybe its worth mentioning i dunno .

peace

[oceanwave]

Who wants a bet that this will end up in the rant room? :D

oh, that'd be boring

;)

[auron]

:D

[limelady]

Is it just me, or is this thread INCREDIBLY boring http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1674.gif

[kblood]

Is it just me, or is this thread INCREDIBLY boring http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1674.gif

Hehe :) I think you are just too fast for me to keep up with you, my love ;)

[lemonique]

Is it just me, or is this thread INCREDIBLY boring http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1674.gif

You are SO right Lime ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Love XX

[cleft_asunder]

Is it just me, or is this thread INCREDIBLY boring http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/smile/1674.gif

If you're bored...

...Take two napkin boxes.
Adjust napkin thickness for desired cushioning.
Insert feet.
Walk around town.

Bonus fun:
Wear a 9/11 was an inside job t-shirt while doing it.

[pollock]

If you're bored...

...Take two napkin boxes.
Adjust napkin thickness for desired cushioning.
Insert feet.
Walk around town.

Bonus fun:
Wear a 9/11 was an inside job t-shirt while doing it.

He he, that was really fun, and a tinfoil hat for the extra joy!

ZZZZZZ
F

[auron]

Bored of this thread eh???

Let's spice it up with a bit of WTF???

http://media1.guzer.com/pictures/funny_muscle_lady.jpg

[pollock]

WTF!!!:D:D:D

:D
F

[pollock]

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/8/22603093664.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6312035)

F

[auron]

http://www.techspot.com/gallery/data/504/wtf.jpg

[limelady]

Now you guys are cooking with gas!!!!! :D :D :D


http://www.ideaphotos.com/Video-Clips-Slide-Shows/Funny-White-Gorrila-Smiling.jpg

[cleft_asunder]

Now you guys are cooking with gas!!!!! :D :D :D


http://www.ideaphotos.com/Video-Clips-Slide-Shows/Funny-White-Gorrila-Smiling.jpg

I don't like that one on any level. Is that the point? :confused:

[auron]

http://www.9622.net/images/lol-gorilla.jpg

[pollock]

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/8/22603172262.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6312285)

F

[auron]

http://people.brandeis.edu/~bgrammer/album/second%20year/slides/wtf.jpg

[pollock]

http://people.brandeis.edu/~bgrammer/album/second%20year/slides/wtf.jpg

AAArgh, I didnt need to see that!!!
Now im not bored, more like sick to the stomack!

:D:D:D
F

[auron]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98285&postcount=72 :D:D

[limelady]

http://people.brandeis.edu/~bgrammer/album/second%20year/slides/wtf.jpg


Nice one Auron!!!

Lol :D:D:D

[auron]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9139/e6um8.gif

Man, this thread has woke me up!!

Right! No more. I will save the others for the "Humour Thread" ! :D

[lumukanda]

http://people.brandeis.edu/~bgrammer/album/second%20year/slides/wtf.jpg
nooooooooo!

[lydia78]

Hi All,

I second Snoop!!!!

Well put my friend!!

My own experience here over the last few weeks have been a joy! The peps here are diverse, open and a pleasure to communicate with and the 'banter' is fair enough, we are all learning and diagreements will occur, but it's not anything i perceive as negative, all is not lost!!



Peace & Greetings james777!:

It is perception: I think this is a wonderful Board. As I 'see it', we have all, everyone, been invited into Mr. David Ickes House.

All forms of Doctrines are welcome, 'Their desire, is for all to bring something 'Positive' to the 'Party'

All forms of decorum has been observed: from polite 'Tea-Party' to 'Machete Fights', and every degree there-in.

For me, how I 'behave' in a house where I am a 'guest' is of the utmost importance.

I have also been permitted to post my understandings without undo harrassment. For this I am grateful. My Kindest Regards to Mr. Icke, his family, and staff. Without him, this wouldn't even be here.

As much as those who are in agreement with Mr. Ickes findings and conclusions, you, must respect their conclusions and be prepared to support your conclusions in as calm and erudite manner as possible, which defers respect upon your conclusions. Not easy, but possible. End of that long, hard, dusty day, anythings possible!

It is all perception: james777

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[fuknut]

I LOVE YOU

:rolleyes::rolleyes: mmmmmmmmmm going to the Rant Room..................


going ...................... going................................ gone


THANK YOU