Brits fall for Palin NHS bait

[bobbydiva]

Twitter reportedly crashed Yesterday after Brits fired back at Sarah Palin's comments that condemned Obama's health care plan. likening it to the UK's NHS.

Elite scientist Stephen Hawkin started the retaliation saying "I wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high quality treatment without which I would not have survived."

:mad:

What annoys me here is us Brits are ALWAYS bashing the NHS, because it does suck, old people ARE allowed to die when they could be saved, there is a postcode approach to healthcare and they are underfunded and completely in a shambles. Yet as soon as somebody criticizes us Brits we go off on one defending it. That's if the accounts weren't fake.

All this does is defend Obama, and I think that's what they wanted to happen.


http://wideshut.co.uk/are-we-in-denial-about-nhs-after-palin-attacks-obama-health-bill/

[mikey mikey]

Yes the NHS is less than perfect but it is better than the US system by miles. If you are so keen on the US system, get yourself a green card. TPTB would LOVE to dismantle what is left of the NHS.

More Freedomworks propoganda BS:mad:

Koch and Caito anyone?

ICU

[parmy]

yep - whilst not perfect i would rather be a ordinary joe in the UK than the US - and anyone with at least half a brain would agree:rolleyes:

[tien an]

The Brits are so defensive of the nhs because, in principle, it's a great idea.
The present regime...er...government have fiddled around with it so much that it's not the original product, by miles.

They (the Brits) still somehow remember the days when you went to the doctor, the dentist, the optician...and you knew that you'd paid a 'stamp' to cover this eventuality.

The last vestiges of the previous 'program' I'd say.

Having said that, I too would rather be ill in the UK than in the US.

I had a terrible couple of experiences at the local hospital lately, where I waited with my (sickly) mother-in-law.
Children waited up to four hours, to be seen by the only doctor on duty, who told the nurse to put steri-strips on the wound...
something she could have done herself.
(This is having enough of a system to cover your arse legally, but not enough of one to be either efficient or expedient).

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tian an.

[forestgrump]

The NHS is a shambles. It may be fine if you have an accident but if you have a chronic problem its useless in my experience. It may be fine in principal but UK is not the only country that offers state care. In Europe the NHS is ranked 19th out of state health care systems - below Greece. I have lived in a country without state care and the private medical aid was far cheaper than that offered in Britain and all inclusive, unlike the restricted cover you get here. I am quite glad that the Republicans have put the spotlight on the NHS and I am also puzzled as to why it receives so much support in its current state. It is certainly not a 'world class' organisation, in fact it borders on third world.

[mikey mikey]

Cheaper?

WTF.:confused: Where was this?

In Europe the NHS is ranked 19th out of state health care systems

link?

Here is mine
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html


1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba


Americans For Prosperity is it?
So actually 16th in Europe and 18th in the world and not below Costa fucking Rica at 37th


Busted!

[forestgrump]

Cheaper? WTF.:confused: Where was this?
link?
Here is mine
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Oh, alright, sixteenth. I think the point still stands. As for cheaper, I said that the private health care was cheaper than the private health care offered in the Uk and possibly the States. It was in Zimbabwe, before Mugabe went mad. Expensive health care is a myth perpetrated by private companies who put massive profits before patient care IMO.

[mikey mikey]

Oh, alright, sixteenth. I think the point still stands.

what point? we are not funding the NHS enough? Point taken.

Now as to Zimbabwe!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe

155th?:rolleyes:
Bwahahaha!

Case fucking closed.

[freedom1st]

Stop knocking the NHS, you don't know how lucky you are. Actually many people who have experienced different health care systems believe the NHS is the best system in the world. It's not perfect but it's pretty damn good and should be protected because if it isn't we'll end up with something awful.

[forestgrump]

The point is that you could get reasonable private medical cover cheaply. It doesn't need to be as expensive as it is here and then it would be a viable alternative to the NHS. I'm not arguing against the NHS in principal. Just, as the OP said, it does not deserve the righteous indignation and defence that it has recieved in the last day or so. It operates very poorly at the moment. As for more funding, perhaps, but only after a thorough audit.

[hadabusa]

mikey,1thing.

sanmarino,andorra and monaco on this list is jokes.lol.

france,italy,ok.
but does it mean lifes good there?as in do ppl pay it themselves?no.


china144.:)

hm, theres no such thing like yugoslavia nemore:(

[forestgrump]

Stop knocking the NHS, you don't know how lucky you are. Actually many people who have experienced different health care systems believe the NHS is the best system in the world. It's not perfect but it's pretty damn good and should be protected because if it isn't we'll end up with something awful.
There's probably a reason why the Republicans chose the NHS as there case in point and not, say, the French state health care system.

[mikey mikey]

mikey,1thing.

sanmarino,andorra and monaco on this list is jokes.lol.

france,italy,ok.
but does it mean lifes good there?as in do ppl pay it themselves?no.


china144.:)

hm, theres no such thing like yugoslavia nemore:(

So which language is you mother tongue, my little Swiss?

Italiano, Francais, Deutsch or Romansch?

And which one did I spell incorrectly?


hm, theres no such thing like yugoslavia nemore:(

and any Euro would know why.

[hadabusa]

So which language is you mother tongue, my little Swiss?

Italiano, Francais, Deutsch or Romansch?

And which one did I spell incorrectly?



and any Euro would know why.
mother language is serbian

:)

the 4th is spelled wrong, from a swiss viewpoint.

im in the german part, french weve learnt in school, italian from friends.
ima fluent hearer of them all:D

btw, why you think yugoslavia was torn apart?

cmon, you gotta give me that sanmarino and andorra are in there for bs:cool:

[parmy]

there should be no yanks on here slagging of us Brits - this is a british website - piss off and find your own websites if you dont like us

[rodin]

there should be no yanks on here slagging of us Brits - this is a british website - piss off and find your own websites if you dont like us

:confused:

I guess you are one of these free speech deniers, luckily you are free to advocate your restriction.

[mikey mikey]

Fucking gettin parmy:D

Get these wingnut septics the fuck out of here:cool:

[parmy]

:confused:

I guess you are one of these free speech deniers, luckily you are free to advocate your restriction.

just saying it like i see thats all marra

[hadabusa]

there should be no yanks on here slagging of us Brits - this is a british website - piss off and find your own websites if you dont like us
damn, is there an optional .co.uk site?

:confused:

i mustve missed the union jack.lol.

[mikey mikey]

WTF do you care Swiss/Serb?

Or was that your grandad?

[parmy]

Fucking gettin parmy:D

Get these wingnut septics the fuck out of here:cool:

yeah - and while im on it we like our women free and easy with there virtues , our food bland and fat soaked , binge drinking and wor health care free - so you lot can stick that in yer (ganja) pipes and smoke it:cool:

[bobbydiva]

Yes the NHS is less than perfect but it is better than the US system by miles. If you are so keen on the US system, get yourself a green card. TPTB would LOVE to dismantle what is left of the NHS.

More Freedomworks propoganda BS:mad:

Koch and Caito anyone?

ICU

That is totally not my point. This has nothing to do with me loving the US. People in this country are in denial and still have this stupid false Brit patriotism, in the vein off "support our troops, we should nuke all those Iraqis".

This isn't about who's better, it's about stopping either country from getting worse.

Our system is shite, and the US system is flawed, and if they take on elements of our own system it will get even worse.

And I have no idea what Freedomworks, Koch or Caito are. All I know is my elderly nan would have been left to die if we didn't intervene and my mother was misdiagnosed when she really had cancer, and then they turned here away 4 times when she turned up for the operation.

[bobbydiva]

there should be no yanks on here slagging of us Brits - this is a british website - piss off and find your own websites if you dont like us

And divide and conquer is not the way forward.
If people are confused, I am a Brit.

[bobbydiva]

I explain a little better on my blog:

http://wideshut.co.uk/are-we-in-denial-about-nhs-after-palin-attacks-obama-health-bill/

[mikey mikey]

I explain a little better on my blog:

http://wideshut.co.uk/are-we-in-denial-about-nhs-after-palin-attacks-obama-health-bill/

Yeah cos paying private insurance premiums will solve it all?

shill for the money, shill for the money, cmon shill for the money and sell you soul

[oneup]

yep - whilst not perfect i would rather be a ordinary joe in the UK than the US - and anyone with at least half a brain would agree:rolleyes:

I have a whole brain and I don't agree.
Britain is surveillance society #1.
I've been to london once, everywhere I could see there was at least one security camera and/or heavily armed police officer.

[forestgrump]

Yeah cos paying private insurance premiums will solve it all?

shill for the money, shill for the money, cmon shill for the money and sell you soul
Neither of us are saying that the NHS is a bad idea just that it is substandard in reality at the moment. I can't understand why people who cry foul against the NWO etc. are so complacent about accepting second best from something which is right under there noses.

[mikey mikey]

I have a whole brain and I don't agree.
Britain is surveillance society #1.
I've been to london once, everywhere I could see there was at least one security camera and/or heavily armed police officer.

Then stay where you are. There. Simple.

[parmy]

I have a whole brain and I don't agree.
Britain is surveillance society #1.
I've been to london once, everywhere I could see there was at least one security camera and/or heavily armed police officer.

were talking about health care here not big brother numbnuts!!!

[bobbydiva]

Ol Gordon has now joined the Twitter campaign.
*sigh*

[hadabusa]

I have a whole brain and I don't agree.
Britain is surveillance society #1.
I've been to london once, everywhere I could see there was at least one security camera and/or heavily armed police officer.
hm,i lived in e&c(lol)for1year.
yeah, theres cams everywhere.
but i was never stopped by any cop,ever.
neither did i see armed police.
just unarmed bobbys.

london sucks4other reasons.lol.