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synergy777
14-08-2007, 05:51 PM
SNP sets out independence plan

http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL1449968920070814

By Katherine Baldwin

LONDON (Reuters) - Scotland's governing party set out its plans on Tuesday for a referendum on independence but the main opposition parties vowed to block any move to end the 300-year-old union with England.

The Scottish National Party's (SNP) campaign could lead to an increase in the Scottish parliament's limited powers in a challenge to the authority of new Prime Minister Gordon Brown, himself a Scot.

"Today is ... the start of the next and, I hope, the most dynamic phase of Scotland's programme of constitutional reform," SNP leader Alex Salmond told a news conference.

He published draft legislation that, if passed, would lead to a vote on a "full independent state" and that also called for a national debate on other options for change, including more powers for the Edinburgh-based parliament.

The pro-independence SNP became the largest parliamentary force in May elections, ending 50 years of political dominance in Scotland by the Labour Party.

The three other main parties -- Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats -- oppose a referendum on independence and opinion polls show average support for ending the union at about 30 percent.

The parties, in an unprecedented joint statement ahead of Salmond's announcement, said an independence vote would damage Scotland although they agreed there was a case for reviewing the limited powers exercised by the Scottish parliament and executive set up in 1999.

"We are willing to enter into debate jointly about the way in which devolution within the UK can best develop in the years to come," said the statement, which Salmond said was a sign the argument on more powers for Scotland was shifting his way.

The parliament has powers over health and education, but London still rules on defence, foreign affairs and the economy.

BROWN FACES CHALLENGE

The SNP move presents Brown with a challenge. While arguing against independence, he must try to satisfy Scots' apparent desire for more autonomy or he risks a political backlash.

Scottish votes have helped Labour win the last three general elections. An SNP that is popular and regarded as competent could diminish support for Labour and hamper its chances of securing a fourth term in an election due by 2010 but expected sooner.

More powers for the Scottish parliament could also increase calls for a change in the constitutional settlement under which Scottish MPs in London can vote on health and education policy for England but English MPs have no say over those matters in Scotland.

The SNP said there were three main "realistic" choices for Scotland: the present set-up, extended powers for the Scottish parliament or full independence.

Salmond said he would prefer a referendum on full independence but was open to a "multi-option" ballot that offered Scots the chance to vote for more powers.

Salmond wants control over Scotland's oil and gas revenues, immigration and fisheries policy, among other areas.

truthseeker1980
15-08-2007, 02:11 PM
Why do they want a seperate government in Scotland, what about England?

All the bloody politicians are Scottish anyway, so if it was to be pushed through, to be proper and fair all politicians governing England should be born in England, otherwise once again the people of England lose out because of the iluminati taking over provinces hundreds of years ago.

The Scottish parliament, have stopped tuitions fees for Scottish Uni students and provide free care for the elderly, why the hell, do the Scots deserve that more than the English?

Surely most the supposed Scottish interests they cover would benefit the whole UK, not just Scotland?

synergy777
15-08-2007, 02:51 PM
the intellectual celtic scots, hume, smith, have installed their raj, oh longshanks, revenge is sweet, lol.

seriously its the eu plans to sow seeds of seperation, that way it makes the member state model easier to implement. if scotland goes idependant, then wales, all with eu backing/funds, whats england to do. its divide and rule, and ironically its hurting england now. then the cornish, who consider themself celtic not anglo/english, the eu are breaking the country up.

look at spain, basque, catalan, andalucian. italy, sicily, south italy versus north. france and germany, the two princely states of europe are free from this. the french are germans who took up latin from the spanish/italisn. france/germany are the europhile elite. spanish/italians are see, well moors, etc, southern european.

i have no hate against anyone, but these ideas of history/culture/breeding play into everything,they shouldn't but do. look at the english elite, they are french/german.

tron
15-08-2007, 05:32 PM
Why do they want a seperate government in Scotland, what about England?

All the bloody politicians are Scottish anyway, so if it was to be pushed through, to be proper and fair all politicians governing England should be born in England, otherwise once again the people of England lose out because of the iluminati taking over provinces hundreds of years ago.

The Scottish parliament, have stopped tuitions fees for Scottish Uni students and provide free care for the elderly, why the hell, do the Scots deserve that more than the English?

Surely most the supposed Scottish interests they cover would benefit the whole UK, not just Scotland?

Hi Truthseeker. Being born and living in scotland, I would probably bet on scotland not becoming independent. I don't think it would have the backing needed. England technically do have their own parliamental, Westminster. If I'm right, they make decisions for the both England and UK. I know some of them are Scottish but I guess thats the price to pay for the extra power. So the question really should be, 'why isn't Westminster considering the same cover as Holyrood?'. However, as you and me both know, its all bull anyway. No matter what happens, it ain't going to be in any of our interests and we wont have any say in it at all.

Love and Peace,

Tron
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