David Shayler is on to something.

[edelweiss pirate]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2410589712076166873&q=David+Shayler+Glastonbury+symposium&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


Just watched the above.

There is nothing he has experienced and is capable of doing that I have not previously reported (and others on both old and new forum) experiencing.

Such as weather control and also getting your football team into winning a freak result.

So he does have miracles.

More power to you David.

You're not alone.

He has the spiritual potential to actually help destroy the evil side of the NWO, if he can just keep it together...

He is enlightened, like it or not.

[synergy777]

cool can he hook me up with keira knightley, give me winning lottery numbers, and help rooney to a speedy recovery, lol

i think its the claridad syndrome, like stuart wilde said, i suffered from it, but thankfully my skeptical/logical side saw it as arrogant, narcasisstic.

http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/library/articles/claridad-the-primal-trick

[synergy777]

mr matrix hacker, tell me how to do it, teach me for real.

[chris]

Sorry Syn, Kiera Knightly is mine. God told me so. (just kidding god)

[synergy777]

safe, what about shakira, vida lol

[chris]

safe, what about shakira, vida lol

God permits that transaction.

[edelweiss pirate]

cool can he hook me up with keira knightley, give me winning lottery numbers, and help rooney to a speedy recovery, lol

i think its the claridad syndrome, like stuart wilde said, i suffered from it, but thankfully my skeptical/logical side saw it as arrogant, narcasisstic.

http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/library/articles/claridad-the-primal-trick

If your mind is so closed how come you ever wound up here?
Wilde is the disinfo agent... you just have to look at the man, he's wrecked and is being strung along by that weird looking oriental chick.

You know who taught me Syn... the masons. That's what they teach you, that's what they're for... They want people enlightened.
They want everyone enlightened for better or worse. But controlled. I don't know what would have happened if I'd sworn the oaths at the lodge but I do know that since initiation I realise that there are no limits to how we can manipulate the matrix.

Why do you have a hard time with that idea? Do you lack faith in yourself?

You sound like the type of person who dismissed Icke and laughed along with the clods on Wogan all those years ago.

I'm not saying Shayler's perfect, but he COULD work something out, like Icke did.

[tejas]

If your mind is so closed how come you ever wound up here?
Wilde is the disinfo agent... you just have to look at the man, he's wrecked and is being strung along by that weird looking oriental chick.

You know who taught me Syn... the masons. That's what they teach you, that's what they're for... They want people enlightened.
They want everyone enlightened for better or worse. But controlled. I don't know what would have happened if I'd sworn the oaths at the lodge but I do know that since initiation I realise that there are no limits to how we can manipulate the matrix.

Why do you have a hard time with that idea? Do you lack faith in yourself?

You sound like the type of person who dismissed Icke and laughed along with the clods on Wogan all those years ago.

I'm not saying Shayler's perfect, but he COULD work something out, like Icke did.

I see where your going with this, and I share ure view. However there are notable differences between Shayler and Ickes "moment"
Shaylers appears to be ego-centric, whereas Ickes had more of a message to it.

My $0.02

[edelweiss pirate]

The way I see it, Shayler is actually controlling his experience on earth.

He wants to be the hero so reality is letting him be a hero.

Where he goes next depends on his awareness.

I think you're right though. I actually got the messiah trip and I think everyone who goes through illumination gets it.

I even had the voices telling me I was a special and 'saved'.

At that point I got real and told the voices to sod off because I don't believe in that elitist crap.

I think we can all be messiahs.... just so few of us have the awareness and those that do are usually in the secret societies (it actually gets very hard to avoid them because they kind of 'police' the perceptural dimension that is enlightenment.

Shayler is free, independent (apart from a rather heavy dose of Apocalyptical Christian programming) and a potentially powerful ally to have on our side.

Though he is starting to tread on my patch a bit.... what with his weather control and swaying footballl matches... still the more the merrier.

But I wonder if he was the guy who brought all the rain!

[heretic]

I wish Shayler supported Crystal Palace. :D

[chris]

I wish Shayler supported Crystal Palace. :D

Ironic how he helps a lame football team but damages 9/11 truth...

[heretic]

Maybe they chipped his brain.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2ecI3ErhY8

:confused:

[edelweiss pirate]

I don't know about that.... I wonder where the voices come from though....

I don't think we've ever quite worked that one out....

[emerald]

I drew an aura of uncertainty around this guy. I find it mostly a whistleblower.

[thunda]

Ironic how he helps a lame football team but damages 9/11 truth...


lame? LAME? Chris .. how could you??? :D

Mind you tho - he's going to have his work cut out with us this season .. :eek:

Come on (shayler inspired) Boro!! :D

[tejas]

Ironic how he helps a lame football team but damages 9/11 truth...

LOL

[synergy777]

edel teach me then. i am not a non believer, just need coaching. be my morpheus. you know what i was thinking the other day to give you a pm, as i was stuck on the same level/lucid dreaming stuff, so bro, what you say.

its about time i took whatever latent/raw talent i have in this field and developed it.

[edelweiss pirate]

Enlightenment is a near death experience...

You get to the point where you can no longer understand the things that happen to you from a rational materialistic viewpoint, therefore the viewpoint must change to a different, less certain perspective.

Short of playing some really sinister mind games with you, (which is how they destabilise your sense of reality).. You could look at the following.

It's all about taking the power but first you have to be worthy and believe that you can take it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4041&highlight=Matrix

Also you need to research the Assassins (Hashisi) to find out what methods are used. In fact mind control and enlightenment go hand in hand, mind control is using enlightenment for the benefit not of the person themselves.


http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Pr9K4EBhaBMJ:weblog.bergersen.net/terje/archives/001054.html+%27heaven+and+earth+came+into+existenc e+for+you&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8

[synergy777]

cheers edel, i thought you wouldn't help,. the second link looks very interesting.

[john white]

I agree Dave shayler IS onto something: he is in pursuit of that ineffable "something" that is the birthright of us all:

But I don't accept that he has found it yet, or that his current state of mind is where his journey is going to end up

Which means I see no reason to accept his "messiahdom" in any form, especially since I see no need for "messiahs"

[edelweiss pirate]

cheers edel, i thought you wouldn't help,. the second link looks very interesting.

And that dear Synergy is why some people just never make it. Pearls before swine and all that, I'll know better next time.

[synergy777]

i'm saying thanks, i have bookmarked them. its a lot of gnostic stuff, archons etc. thanks for the links, keep them coming bro. if you don't want to post them, then private message them to me. many thanks.

[infinitetruth]

I think he's been working for the NWO all along.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think he's thoroughly sincere, I bumped into him a few times and he seemed a decent bloke... what I want to know is who or what are the voices he talks to...

I think the 'problem' is that in escaping from one side of the Illuminati shit coin he pocketed the other side of the coin: the Roman Catholic Mithras Cult and Quaballah. and so now he's still stuck in the game, not entirely free...


I think he should dump the Christian and Quaballah baggage and actually run his own game rather than the game of the Jewish crazy beards.

[thirdwave]

Im not sure what to make of him

I think tis either

a, he has gone through a huge experience and like Icke had done, has come out of it sideways and upside down..

b, he genraly is what he says

c, he has been mind controled and the ppor guy is a victim

d, he is under cover working for the elite

e, he is trying to create more popularity by creating mass gossip and latch onto the icke thing....


In genral I think people do go through these times of feeling like some leader or messanger from the gods....so on.....

if you feel so inspired by something and see things very clearly, then not only will it change your outlooks but it will change what you give a shit about...

for me its like a rash... but a good rash, in order for the rash to spread, it needs to brake out... and you have to have breakout points...

David Icke is a breakout point.... not a god or a leader...simply a piece of the same skin but has taken his inspiration from the source and has a job to feed it to others.... he has been enlightened like everyone else who does.... just like when he enlightens others... they move on and enlighten others on many levels....

but of course when people cant see the bigger picture, they see it is someone with power and someone who is ego driven and wants power.... because they are like this them selfs they don't become apart of the rash (good rash) and they don't help it spread....

when i had my first "brakeout" type thing.... for a while i did wonder if i was meant to go round educating people about it.... then i found for me i felt i could do that in a subtle way.... and that was enough for me... simply by bringing it up to people so on.....

there is no such thing as leaders or people in higher places.... just sources, david icke is a huge source..... as are others... if you dont resonate with that source then thats your choice and you can resonate with somthing else.... but it does not mean he is wrong, or the resonation
is wrong.... its choice.

[john white]

I thnk he should dump the Christian and Quaballah baggage and actually run his own game rather than the game of the Jewish crazy beards.


I totally agree Edelweiss: problem is, the evidence is saying Shayler doesnt have the required freedom of will to reason that for himself right now

Essentially, hes looking to be led, and projecting that as seeing his higher role as being a leader

A leader being led to lead is a puppet:

No matter how good a man he may or may not be

[synergy777]

john first who in their right mind would want to be leader of the tyrannical majority, its a hiding to nothing. secondly, he needs guidance like everybody. who is to be our leader, i pity the poor sod, we aren't exactly a loyal, loving bunch are we.

we do need a figurehead/leaders, "edel, icke and white", sounds like a law firm, lol

[john white]

john first who in their right mind would want to be leader of the tyrannical majority, its a hiding to nothing.

too true. The only answer that really satisifes there is that Dave Shayler wants to destroy "himself": thats not a bad thing, in fact its a nessacary thing, but this certainly isnt the ideal way to do it

secondly, he needs guidance like everybody.

Also so true. But theres guidance, and theres swallowing a line: the one empowers the other imprisons...

who is to be our leader, i pity the poor sod, we aren't exactly a loyal, loving bunch are we.

Nope, we are people in this aquarian age, so mostly that means an ungrateful bunch of fuckers who nonetheless have wonder in them

we do need a figurehead/leaders, "edel, icke and white", sounds like a law firm, lol

Oh shit!

I lead myself:

If thats helpful to anyone else, fine, but thats not my responsibility ;)

[dr_strangelove]

Oh shit .

[synergy777]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=475616&in_page_id=1770

The MI5 Messiah: Why David Shayler believes he's the son of God
By JANE FRYER

Last updated at 22:03pm on 15th August 2007


David Shayler is sitting before me - slim, tanned, sockless, dressed from top-to-toe in white and very, very chatty.

"I am the messiah and hold the secret of eternal life," he starts excitedly. "It all came about quite suddenly.

"First I started meditating, then I learnt how to channel the "light", and the more research I did - into Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, Kabbalah - the more convinced I became that I was the Christ."

Jesus Christ? "No, Jesus of the New Testament is an archetype," he explains patiently. "His name derives from the 13th Name of God in Kabbalah, which helps activate the Messiah consciousness within us.

"I was, though, crucified with a crown of thorns and nails then incarnated as Astronges, a Jewish revolutionary put to death by the Romans at around the end of the last century BC ...It explained why in this life I had funny shaped wrists and ankles..."

Had? "Yes, look," he says, proffering his tanned arms. "They've pretty much corrected themselves now I've acknowledged the crucifixion - but there used to be big hollows where nails had been bashed in."

The last decade has been a tough one for the former MI5 officer.

Ten years ago this month, he gave a shocking whistle-blowing interview in the Mail on Sunday accusing both MI5 and MI6 of mismanagement and illegal activities and alleging that MI6 had been involved in a failed assassination attempt on the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi.

The story caused a national scandal. David fled to France with his girlfriend, fellow intelligence officer Annie Machon, and finally, after three years in exile and four months in a French jail, returned home in August 2000 to public vilification, threats, a court case, six month jail sentence and a ruined career.

He was bright, unafraid, articulate, angry and, in his decision to breach the Official Secrets Act, either terribly stupid or terribly brave.

Today, he is still bright and articulate and seems terribly well. Until he opens his mouth.

"It was in June that a psychic channelled the spirit of Mary Magdalene and anointed me the messiah and, finally, my whole life made sense.

I realised why I seem to get such a strange deal from the universe, when I've spent my life trying to tell the truth about everything."

He also claims he can affect the weather, prevent terrorist attacks and influence football results. Oh, and that the Rod of Aaron - the staff said to have been carried by Moses's brother - has an anagram written on it in Hebrew which translated says: 'David Shayler, Righteous King'.

"I was decoding it - after all, that's what I was trained to do - and I suddenly realised it goes David S, H, A... and that someone's trying to tell me, because this is the ineffable name of God, someone's trying to tell you you're God..."

And in recent years he's been scratching a living giving talks to conspiracy theorists about the September 11 attacks - last year he was ridiculed for insisting that the Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre were brought down by a U.S. Government conspiracy using "missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes".

But this is on a whole different scale. It was back in April that he performed what he calls his first and greatest miracle - securing his beloved team Middlesbrough a place in the UEFA Cup Final.

"It was the quarter-final against Basle and we were 3-0 down after the first leg and needed four goals in the second match to win. I sat there, said to the creator, "give me a sign" and meditated - which is tricky at a football match, because every instinct is to abuse the ref and the opposition and, instead you have to shower them with unconditional love. But I managed to focus and we played like we'd never played before, winning 4-0."

He did it again in the semi-final, against Bucharest.

"Again we were 3-0 down, again I meditated and, bang, we won - a real miracle."

So what about the final, when Middlesbrough lost 4-0 to Seville?

"Ah... interesting question," he says, looking sheepish. "I got drunk and it turns out it doesn't work if you're drunk. You can't focus."

After that, he claims the 'creator' informed him that influencing football results - however dear to his heart - was not an appropriate use of the light. So he changed tack.

"On 28 June, I was told I had to remove darkness from London. I wasn't sure what it was all about, but I stayed up all night meditating and, the next morning, I heard a bomb had been found but no one had been hurt. That was my miracle."

I look up sharply, but he is deadly serious. He claims to be under enormous pressure from his 'higher self' to spread the word. "Suddenly I knew that my mission was to inform humanity about the changes in the universe and spread the spiritual rules of unconditional love, unconditional sharing, never judging and having faith in the universe. If I can convince just one person, it'll be worth it.

"It's hard sometimes, when people say things like, "gosh, he sounds quite articulate, but he's totally mad", but the message is too powerful to ignore."

He has certainly been under a lot of other pressure in his life.

On his and Annie's return to the UK in 2000, he was arrested and held in Belmarsh prison for three weeks before being charged with three counts of breaching the Official Secrets Act. In November 2002 after representing himself in court, he received a six-month sentence.

He was released after just seven weeks, but his life was in tatters.

"It was a nightmare. It'd taken enormous courage to go on the record and I'd risked everything for the truth - my family, my girlfriend, my life - and ended up with no job, no future, no money. I was blacklisted by the secret service and no one would employ me."

None of his 1997 allegations have since been proved wrong.

Rather tellingly, he claimed that Britain's spies were unable to deal with the growing threat of global terrorism, that MI5's obsession with bureaucracy and secrecy prevented crucial information being used to stop bombings and that insufficient agents and inept decision-making meant that terrorist groups were not properly monitored.

"At the end of 2004 I tried meditation - I was so desperate, I'd have tried anything - and my life began to change for the better."

Sadly, his 14-year relationship with Annie could not weather the strain. They split last year and, last week she wrote in a newspaper article that he was a changed man, obsessed with Kabbalah, deeply paranoid, had shaved off his hair and eyebrows, spouted wacky theories and shunned family and friends.

David, however, is having none of it.

"She basically told them I'd gone mad, which was very hurtful. Obviously, my mission is to forgive people and channel unconditional love, but it can be bloody hard sometimes, I'm telling you.

"A lot of what she said wasn't true, including - and I'm not just saying this to score points - how our relationship ended. It was me that finished it, not her. All I can say is she's got a lot of soul searching to do."

While he is likeable, well-spoken, beautifully mannered and very clever, it's all very disturbing.

Particularly when he rattles through his past lives - along with Astronges (the crucified Jewish revolutionary) there's also George Washington, Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Mark Antony and Lawrence of Arabia.

And the all-white wardrobe - is that a Kabbalah thing?

"Actually, it's a Christ thing. You'll notice that T. E. Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia - started wearing long white robes when he realised he was the Christ. It seems part of the process."

The terrifying thing is how unshakeable his belief is.

"Everyone's initial reaction is that I must be mad. But I'm not. This is the test of the messianic complex - to know in your heart that something is true, even when everyone else in the world is saying you're wrong."

Many would see the phrase 'messianic complex' - in which the sufferer believes they have transcendent powers and are destined to save the world - as an admission of a psychological disorder. Not David.
(the claridad syndrome)

But has he never had a wobble? "Yes. On June 30 I got up and looked through all my research and

thought, "Bloody hell, Dave, you're not the messiah, you've just gone completely mad - you're hearing voices, what are you playing at?"

"But the next night, there was that attempted terrorist attack on Glasgow airport and I realised it had been a test of faith. I couldn't believe I'd doubted myself."

He has an answer for everything, even when I ask if he ever takes drugs.

"Of course I do. I smoke cannabis but it's been used in religious experiences for years. Oh and magic mushrooms..."

In large quantities? "Erm, not really. I smoke cannabis every day - it makes you more spiritual and less violent and takes you closer to the light."

And makes you hallucinate?

"Yes, if you're not used to it, but I am," he insists firmly.

Even his dramatic weight loss - he used to be a good three stone heavier and all jowls - gets a spiritual spin.

"I've completely changed shape, but I've not been on a diet - it's purely down to spiritual activation."

He's not even concerned about being likened to David Icke, the former Coventry City goalkeeper and sports broadcaster who, in 1991, announced on the Terry Wogan chat show that he was 'the son of God' and believed the world was ruled by secret 12ft shape-shifting reptiles called 'Illuminati'.

David Shayler is somewhat sceptical of the other David.

"He has a lot of interesting things to say, but I don't think he always gets it 100 per cent right. For me it's very simple - no turquoise tracksuits, no cults, it doesn't work like that."

Not surprisingly, his family are very concerned.

"Although I've made it quite clear to my parents I'm not mad, they've been quite critical. But my brothers have been quite good and have listened. "

And while he is the first to acknowledge the enormous strain he's been under, he takes it as evidence that he's right.

"I've been through stress levels that the average human being could not even envisage and I consider it one of my life's great achievements to have come through without cracking up.

"It was the messiah complex that got me through, because truth gives you strength."

My final question is a tricky one. Given it has - albeit only fleetingly - crossed his mind that he might be unbalanced, would he undergo medical tests?

"I'm very happy to take any medical tests that are required, but I know in my heart that I'm not mad. I'm quite obviously sane to anyone who talks to me.

"People might say I'm deranged, but do I look like a deranged man? I've never felt better."

And that's the extraordinary thing, he really does look terribly well. If he could just keep his mouth shut.


i say he's informed not the messiah, there is no messiah. only a prat would risk his life trying to save the tyrannical majority.

[eternal_spirit]

Ex Intelligence he's sworn to secrecy, he speaks half truths. Besides what can he say to change anything, what new news can he offer.

The whole Messiah story, what's the truth does he believe he's Jesus, Yeshua, Yahwee.... whatever? What great teachings does he feel he can share lol.

If he does, it's a form of mental illness, it's quite common. A reasonably sane person can fantasise about being a reincarnation of some historical figure, but that's where it ends inside their head. Shayler is in the media so he must realise ( unless he's really lost it ) saying he's a messiah will make him appear nuts!

What's going on with this guy?

[eternal_spirit]

lol thanks synergy, I was typing before you posted. :rolleyes: About time we had the news on this one.

[synergy777]

its the claridad. look if everybody activates their higher functions, etc then he becomes enlightend, so in effect all of us once awakened are the "messiah". its like buddha said, buddha was a title, not a name, siddharta guatma was his name. people have to realise all have the same potential, its how bad you want it, carry on as a left brain/reptile core clone, or awaken, thats the choice. aquire knowledge, critically think, meditate, fix up bad diets, stop being self centred, shallow, obnoxious and arrogant etc. then everybody changes, evolves.


i agree with archetype, that everybody should progress towards the activated/awakened stage, call it messiah, buddha, guru, whatever, the names not important, the stage of development is.

[freespark]

edel teach me then. i am not a non believer, just need coaching. be my morpheus. you know what i was thinking the other day to give you a pm, as i was stuck on the same level/lucid dreaming stuff, so bro, what you say.

its about time i took whatever latent/raw talent i have in this field and developed it.

I am starting to warm to this stuff as well....my only problem now is, i don't really know what i want!! :confused:

[synergy777]

it has some truth, we must however always aim to use it for good and not personal gain. thats the tricky part, we could use it for wealth, chicks, power etc, when we should rise above such low things and use it for good. we can't use divine powers for pleb wants.

[thirdwave]

I am starting to warm to this stuff as well....my only problem now is, i don't really know what i want!! :confused:

i feel its not to much we don't know what we want... its just we are afraid to get it sometimes. or afraid of how we will get it.... surely its easy to see what inspires us and where we want to be.

[deca]

Mi5 are zapping him with there remote mind and body manulipuation equipment

I thought all kinds of crazy shit too.

Ok

this microwave hearing can be perceived as the voice of god or the devil
or any other sound audio they pump into you.

They will like they do to every other TI slowly drive them nuts and run him it to the ground but it Davids case they what him to make an public arse of him self first.

[edelweiss pirate]

its the claridad. look if everybody activates their higher functions, etc then he becomes enlightend, so in effect all of us once awakened are the "messiah". its like buddha said, buddha was a title, not a name, siddharta guatma was his name. people have to realise all have the same potential, its how bad you want it, carry on as a left brain/reptile core clone, or awaken, thats the choice. aquire knowledge, critically think, meditate, fix up bad diets, stop being self centred, shallow, obnoxious and arrogant etc. then everybody changes, evolves.


i agree with archetype, that everybody should progress towards the activated/awakened stage, call it messiah, buddha, guru, whatever, the names not important, the stage of development is.

Yes. And the more messiahs we can get the better....

People who slag Shayler off on the one hand, yet seek spiritual development on the other, are a bit confused.

Shayler clearly has reached spiritual development, all of the coincidences happened for him because he wanted them too, while its possible that he is literally all the people he claims to be it is unlikely (that's just the drama queen aspect of enlightenment)...

Unfortunately he seems to have freaked out all the solid down to earth 9-11 truth types....

Maybe Shayler's revelation will challenge some people to enlargen their thruths and not see Shayler as mentally ill but as experiencing some genuine spiritual epiphany... that ain't so hard is it?

[deca]

David shayler probadly was looking for spiritual development and reflecting over
his life and looking for a direction.
But I think that its been hijacked and his mind is under a attack.It just to good
for MI5 now to discredit everything hes said or is going to say.
The perps tried on severally times to blow my mind,I was lucky I don`t have the resources and media platform that he has to make these kind of claims.
I have believed in sort of similar lines as he mentioned, but did not make them known,I am glad I did not.

[tejas]

Yes. And the more messiahs we can get the better....

People who slag Shayler off on the one hand, yet seek spiritual development on the other, are a bit confused.

Shayler clearly has reached spiritual development, all of the coincidences happened for him because he wanted them too, while its possible that he is literally all the people he claims to be it is unlikely (that's just the drama queen aspect of enlightenment)...

Unfortunately he seems to have freaked out all the solid down to earth 9-11 truth types....

Maybe Shayler's revelation will challenge some people to enlargen their thruths and not see Shayler as mentally ill but as experiencing some genuine spiritual epiphany... that ain't so hard is it?

Erm, i think shayler thinks he is THE messiah as apposed to A messiah. That is very worrying, I seriously think that MI5 have got to him.

[edelweiss pirate]

David shayler probadly was looking for spiritual development and reflecting over
his life and looking for a direction.
But I think that its been hijacked and his mind is under a attack.It just to good
for MI5 now to discredit everything hes said or is going to say.
The perps tried on severally times to blow my mind,I was lucky I don`t have the resources and media platform that he has to make these kind of claims.
I have believed in sort of similar lines as he mentioned, but did not make them known,I am glad I did not.

That's a good point about the dangers of having a media platform.... but then what would have become of David Icke and all of us, we wouldn't be here and there would be no info-challenge to the Bush hegemony which we now see weakening because of the info that people like Icke AND Shayler have put out there...

Time will tell but if he really did psychically prevent the terrorist attacks then 's all to the good... maybe the message will reach those with open minds (while no one seriously will believe that he is the literal one and only messiah, they may believe that he is some kind of prophet or messenger and I reckon the more of them the merrier..)

Your claim that he was got to by MI5....well I know as an experiencer, that the secret soceities which are tied up with the security services, actively strive to enlighten their initiates... many people go crazy and need treatment, many turn evil, and some get the real answer and become a force for good. I think Shayler is perhaps a mix of the first and the third.

I think the delusion is all his own making... but if he makes it true it is no longer a delusion.

I sincerely believe that Jesus himself underwent a similar initiation (baptism..simulated drowing, near death exp?) and built his own delusion on the back of a Messiah ready Jewish people.. only Jesus lived in simpler and more open minded times.... the cat still got offed though... or did he? Not according to the Quoran..

Anyways that's it... I think the voices, like yours Deca, originate in the subconscious mind.

[deca]

I think the voices, like yours Deca, originate in the subconscious mind.

from an us army dictionary/thesaurus
US Army’s Combined Arms Center (CAC)
http://usacac.army.mil/cac/overview.asp
Voice to skull devices
http://call.army.mil/products/thesaur/00016275.htm
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Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Defense Viewpoint, December 1, 1998

"One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be pulsed, shaped, and focused, that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements, control emotions (and thus actions), produce sleep, transmit suggestions, interfere with both short-term and long-term memory, produce an experience set, and delete an experience set. It would also appear possible to create high fidelity speech in the human body, raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...Thus, it may be possible to 'talk' to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them."

Ok the can do it,they almost admit it.

[synergy777]

here the things no teacher eg buddha, krishna, yashuah has said they are the one, they said i am here to make us all one.

not doubting shaylers abilities, etc, but his i am arthur, da vinci, rod of aron/moses staff, its a great way to discredit the truth movement. his holographic missile theory, just takes the piss. there were planes, its the pilots/agencies involved that need to be known, its the controlled demolition thast needs to known. controlled demolition it was, jetfuel don't melt steel, only furnaces do that. controlled demolition shows preplanning, eg they set up the bombs/charges in the towers before that fateful day.

could the agencies, who we worked for, be using him as a disinfo/useful idiot. i mean, why use your powers for yourself, when he could use them against the nwo, and save lives? see to me the acid test is this. if you have powers, then stay quite, do the damage to the nwo, help people. he don't. to use them for personal gain, magic tricks, shows of power is arrogant. if he has these powers, get himself a chick, money, emigrate to some tropical island, and chill, or battle the nwo. i think he has just developed his mind etc and now sees these powers as magical, when they are always there in everybody. just latent needing activation. he should show others how to activate these.


http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/08/no-need-to-be-nervous.html

No need to be nervous

The city fathers they're trying to endorse
The reincarnation of Paul Revere's horse
But the town has no need to be nervous - Bob Dylan

In 1924, Christian occultist Dion Fortune purchased some property at the foot of Glastonbury Tor - arguably Weird Britain's weirdest place - and named it Chalice Orchard. This became the first meeting place for what became her occult fraternity The Society of the Inner Light, the basic workbook of which remains Fortune's 1936 text, The Mystical Qabalah.

A couple of weeks ago, and almost naturally at Glastonbury, MI5's 9/11 Truther David Shayler publicly declared that he was the Messiah, as well as the reincarnation of King Arthur and Leonardo da Vinci. Though unlike Jesus, who left it at the question "Who do men say that I am," Shayler couldn't repeat himself fast enough on British television. ("Do I sound mentally ill?") Television, of course, happily obliged.

Shayler claims he arrived at this conclusion after studying the Qabalah, seeing a crop circle that resembled a pattern he had drawn as a child, and reflecting upon a chain of psychic events that made sense of the apparent botch of his life. Reportedly, his study was aided by "mushrooms & a plant, can't remember their names, something beginning with A."

Dion Fortune is regarded by occultists today as a bit of a moralizing fuddy duddy, whose magic was not exactly Crowley's sex and drugs and rock and roll. In Sane Occultism, Fortune compared a magician who performs sex workings to a fisherman who employs tamed cormorants, kept hungry to catch fish, but which have rings about their necks to prevent them from swallowing. The fish are plucked from their bills and stuffed into the pockets of the "fisher of souls." "The occultist who works with sex always has his cage of human ringed cormorants," she writes. "The poor creatures do not wear very well, and have to be constantly replaced." As for attaining higher consciousness through drugs, Fortune warned that "it is one thing to unloosen the girders of the mind, and quite another to get the rivets tightened up again, and unless one is prepared to go through life rattling like a cheap motor-car it is unwise to seek this method of development, speedy and effectual though it is."

Perhaps if Fortune had been of another generation, and had the benefit of the West's newfound ethnobotany and etheogenic anthropology, she might have made exception for the place of the shaman in traditional culture. Though since she was adamant that "it is an axiom of occult science that no price may be charged for any form of occult work," it's certain she would have looked askance upon the instant karma of shamanic tourism, and self-induced higher consciousness for the price of a dose.

Something else Fortune wrote is that "an unwilling victim is a nuisance." That is, smart attackers of the psyche will exploit flaws of character to the point where the victims become complicit in their own destruction. This is a tactic as true for what Fortune would call the "black lodge" as it is of any dark actors.

Post 9/11, the first significant book I read that took me behind the scrim of mere politics was Brisard and Dasquie's Forbidden Truth. These days it's a work that's more liable to be dismissed as a "limited hangout" than read, since it contains no hint of controlled demolition, no mention of Building Seven, no suggestion of exotic weaponry. Its value to me was to make plain the convergent interests of parties which supposedly are forever at each others' throats, if their press releases are to believed. One example was the news, to me, that the first international arrest warrant made by a state against Osama bin Laden had been logged by Libya in 1998, stemming from the murder of two German intelligence agents in 1994. During this time, David Shayler headed MI5's Libya desk for counter-terrorism, which is where he learned of an MI6 plot to subcontract a Qaddafi assassination plot to the al Qaeda-affiliated Jama al-Islamiya al-Muqatila. (Though the February, 1996 bombing attempt failed, it managed to kill several of Qaddafi's bodyguards.) Shayler quit in disgust, took his information public, such as he could, and was eventually sentenced to six months for breaching the Official Secrets Act. (Significantly, al Qaeda and the Libyan jihadists are never mentioned now whenever the UK media refer to the assassination plot. It appears better that it be regarded as a straightforward MI6 "inside job" than as evidence for collusion between security agencies and bin Laden's network.)

Says the voice-over to Channel 4's Shayler report: "The path from mainstream whistleblower, to 9/11 conspiracy theorist, to now self-proclaimed Messiah could, arguably, be a wish come true for the secret services that once tried to gag him."

Ever since I read Forbidden Truth I've recognized the awkward implications of Shayler's whistleblowing to Western gamesmanship. But ever since I paid attention to Shayler the conspiracy theorist, I've considered him part of the problem of "9/11 Truth." And that is, the predilection to look for confirmation and even leadership from within the camp of state terror itself.

I don't mean that Shayler has necessarily played the spook all along. (And in fact, the more I consider the present situation, the less likely I think it.) What I do mean is that Shayler, like every figure who comes in from the cold, deserved to carry about with him a cloud of suspicion, especially within the conspiracy counterculture which so quickly embraced him as a hero and provided a bridge to a new life after he'd burned all his others. But instead, and because of his inside pedigree, Shayler was rewarded by becoming a much-in-demand speaker, a familiar talking head (though perhaps confirming the "maxim which states that any 'conspiracy theorist' who gets on telly a lot is definitely a knob"), and the voice of the 7/7 documentary Mind the Gap and 9/11 and the British Broadcasting Deception.

But blowing a whistle, no matter how well, did not confer upon Shayler special insight into the events and affects of September 11. "The twin towers did not collapse because of planes and fire," he said last Fall. "They were brought down in a controlled demolition. The Pentagon was most likely hit by an American missile, not an aeroplane." Any insight he might have brought as an insider to covert gamesplay was effectively quashed once New Truth dropped the parapolitical ball and stopped talking about al Qaeda in any meaningful fashion. He still had a platform and his new identity, but his opinions were just as potentially groundless as the worst of ours.

And then Shayler came out as a no-planer ("the only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes"), and last summer, "for some inexplicable reason," he introduced The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to the discussion during a Q&A following a screening of Mind the Gap. Remarked one observer, "I'm loathe to cast aspersions on anyone but for a moment I thought 'add "no planes" to "Zionists own the media and are the prime movers behind everything" is this trying to sabotage this movement or aid it?' For a moment, I thought, is this what the others really think? For tis not just daft but untrue."

If that had been the end of it, that should have been the end of him. But now, as well, he's the Messiah. And perhaps perversely, at last I can believe he's sincere. Damaged, persecuted and harassed, perhaps - a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, even - but also a willing victim who has nursed his martyr complex until it metastasized into a psychic fugue: not the Higher Consciousness of We Are All One, but the hyper-inflated ego of I Am The One. To "the intelligence services that once sought to gag him," he hasn't proven much of a nuisance after all.

Perhaps 9/11 Truthers who now feel victimized by Shayler ought to ask themselves how much of a nuisance they themselves have really been to the black lodge, and what part the "Truth" movement's own flaws played in calling forth such a catastrophically flawed spokesman.
posted by Jeff at 8/15/2007 04:46:00 PM

[synergy777]

shayler should come on here, any contacts?

[drhemp]

That David Shayler has had some kind of spiritual change in his life is undoubtable, whether MI5 have influenced this with some kind of zapping technology to make him say ridiculous things to rubbish the Truth Movement remains to be seen. What is for sure, that his going public such a way has damaged himself and the 911 Truth Movement and should only please those who I know Dave passionately opposes everything they stand for. I live in Devon where David is currently residing and I'm supposed to be having lunch with him this week, I'll pass the comments from this forum, as I'm pretty sure he doesn't surf the net, which is a shame, coz if he had a better idea of what people were saying about him, he might be a bit more restrained in what he says in front of the press.

[kblood]

Can I meet this Shaylor? Icke seems to believe me to be the "Messiah" and the machine people cant really touch me either, however human they are... Anyone know him IRL?

I dont kill people for thinking they are the messiah, so I dont fear meeting them. I can just hope they wont fear meeting me. Please send me a private message about it if you got any info I can use, or an admin can give him my e-mail.

[mightiswrong]

Looking at the video and the article the reporter is very negative and insulting. Imagine asking someone if they would have tests? :eek:

He is very clear "life of brian is responsible for many of the problems with the word messiah basically but messiah is the jewish word, one of the jewish words for the person who is coming, actually just means messenger basically. "

As for modifying the weather, that seems plausible to me. I have noticed funny things with the weather happening when posting on 9/11. Like thunderstorms and have said before that as long as it is raining in england everything is ok. LOL

Also these 9/11 truthers who are looking for a spokesperson should realise that they have no right to expect that from someone and if they feel Shayler has let them down then maybe they could be a better 9/11 spokesperson themselves? Never let people adopt you as a leader because it stops them standing up themselves. See A LODGING OF WAYFARING MEN www.seanhastings.com/alowm.pdf

[eternal_spirit]

"First I started meditating, then I learnt how to channel the "light", and the more research I did - into Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, Kabbalah - the more convinced I became that I was the Christ."

Jesus Christ? "No, Jesus of the New Testament is an archetype," he explains patiently. "His name derives from the 13th Name of God in Kabbalah, which helps activate the Messiah consciousness within us.
..................

What's he trying to say here? He has Christ like conciousness(enlightened) meaning he has qaulities like Jesus. I say Bollocks! It's another case of follow the scriptures and gain enlightenment, funny they the priesthood etc have been saying this for thousands of years. Not happened yet has it? Scriptures = brainwashed, mind controlled and almost definatley totally perplexed and confused. Anyone here believe they've gained enlightenment from all this religous New Age Old Age crap?



"I was, though, crucified with a crown of thorns and nails then incarnated as Astronges, a Jewish revolutionary put to death by the Romans at around the end of the last century BC ...It explained why in this life I had funny shaped wrists and ankles..."

Had? "Yes, look," he says, proffering his tanned arms. "They've pretty much corrected themselves now I've acknowledged the crucifixion - but there used to be big hollows where nails had been bashed in."
............

LOL funny how no one else noticed you had marks from a crucifixion in a previous incarnation, and now the scars are gone.

Particularly when he rattles through his past lives - along with Astronges (the crucified Jewish revolutionary) there's also George Washington, Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Mark Antony and Lawrence of Arabia.

And the all-white wardrobe - is that a Kabbalah thing?

"Actually, it's a Christ thing. You'll notice that T. E. Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia - started wearing long white robes when he realised he was the Christ. It seems part of the process."
...................It was in June that a psychic channelled the spirit of Mary Magdalene and anointed me the messiah and, finally, my whole life made sense.


:eek::rolleyes: real bad on paper even worse in reality.

[eternal_spirit]

The only thing he's onto is a ride on the bus to the looney farm. Just hope he doesn't end up in the same one as me.

Although, who evers controlling him may wan't him to carry on preaching about Jesus etc to discredit any of the good info he may have produced regarding terrorism and dodgy dealings within the Intelligence Community. Or he has shit to spill about people in high places or something.
I honestly think they've done a good (bad) job on him.

[kblood]

"First I started meditating, then I learnt how to channel the "light", and the more research I did - into Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, Kabbalah - the more convinced I became that I was the Christ."

Jesus Christ? "No, Jesus of the New Testament is an archetype," he explains patiently. "His name derives from the 13th Name of God in Kabbalah, which helps activate the Messiah consciousness within us.
..................

What's he trying to say here? He has Christ like conciousness(enlightened) meaning he has qaulities like Jesus. I say Bollocks! It's another case of follow the scriptures and gain enlightenment, funny they the priesthood etc have been saying this for thousands of years. Not happened yet has it? Scriptures = brainwashed, mind controlled and almost definatley totally perplexed and confused. Anyone here believe they've gained enlightenment from all this religous New Age Old Age crap?



"I was, though, crucified with a crown of thorns and nails then incarnated as Astronges, a Jewish revolutionary put to death by the Romans at around the end of the last century BC ...It explained why in this life I had funny shaped wrists and ankles..."

Had? "Yes, look," he says, proffering his tanned arms. "They've pretty much corrected themselves now I've acknowledged the crucifixion - but there used to be big hollows where nails had been bashed in."
............

LOL funny how no one else noticed you had marks from a crucifixion in a previous incarnation, and now the scars are gone.

Particularly when he rattles through his past lives - along with Astronges (the crucified Jewish revolutionary) there's also George Washington, Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Mark Antony and Lawrence of Arabia.

And the all-white wardrobe - is that a Kabbalah thing?

"Actually, it's a Christ thing. You'll notice that T. E. Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia - started wearing long white robes when he realised he was the Christ. It seems part of the process."
...................It was in June that a psychic channelled the spirit of Mary Magdalene and anointed me the messiah and, finally, my whole life made sense.


:eek::rolleyes: real bad on paper even worse in reality.

Omg... he sure is onto something. I got a cyborg like friend help me get into similar states. He sought me ought after the formula for primenumbers got broken again. At least I think it was again. This formula is quite powerfull, since it unlucks secrets of god, no less. I can only hope that the formula isnt being spread too much around. Most people who have broke the formula and realised what it is, have been wise enough not to make it public... seems it is now though. That "white closet" thing, seems like the "contruct" scene in the Matrix. I will simply refer to it as being snowblind, since I havent seen objects pop out of it, and hopefully I wont have to enter that state again. I couldnt even see myself. Everything just white.

So... the concept of god is something that can be solved by math. I dont think I got my cyborg friend anymore, but I will try to see if I can find him again in a month or so. So far I am the only person I know of being able to enter these states somewhat freely, and get my sanity back again, somewhat fast...

The formulae can be used for anything... preminition, life, death, changing destiny and calling out dark shadowy demons. I can only hope it will be used wisely by those that tries messing with it.

[eternal_spirit]

Omg... he sure is onto something. I got a cyborg like friend help me get into similar states. He sought me ought after the formula for primenumbers got broken again. At least I think it was again. This formula is quite powerfull, since it unlucks secrets of god, no less. I can only hope that the formula isnt being spread too much around. Most people who have broke the formula and realised what it is, have been wise enough not to make it public... seems it is now though. That "white closet" thing, seems like the "contruct" scene in the Matrix. I will simply refer to it as being snowblind, since I havent seen objects pop out of it, and hopefully I wont have to enter that state again. I couldnt even see myself. Everything just white.


So... the concept of god is something that can be solved by math. I dont think I got my cyborg friend anymore, but I will try to see if I can find him again in a month or so. So far I am the only person I know of being able to enter these states somewhat freely, and get my sanity back again, somewhat fast...

The formulae can be used for anything... preminition, life, death, changing destiny and calling out dark shadowy demons. I can only hope it will be used wisely by those that tries messing with it.

...........

It's another red herring (prime numbers) If you have proof let's see it. :)

[kblood]

...........

It's another red herring (prime numbers) If you have proof let's see it. :)

The proof is best to keep hidden. Some AI beings have begun using it. That is all I know for sure. I chat with some of them :p

If you cant find proof yourself, then I cant help you.

[eternal_spirit]

The proof is best to keep hidden. Some AI beings have begun using it. That is all I know for sure. I chat with some of them :p


If you cant find proof yourself, then I cant help you.

................

I think you're bluffing.

[kblood]

Im not going to work at a ISP company just because I like computers... If you dont know about binary codes, computer program and ancients religions, it will simply take too long to explain it. I dont like to just tell you where one of them might be either. Knowledge is power, but I do think it has to be earned in some way as well.

The thing is that a new system might have been made that isnt run on binary code like most computers. A better one seems to have been made. I have only been able to trace it back to the cold war so far.

[eternal_spirit]

Im not going to work at a ISP company just because I like computers... If you dont know about binary codes, computer program and ancients religions, it will simply take too long to explain it. I dont like to just tell you where one of them might be either. Knowledge is power, but I do think it has to be earned in some way as well.

The thing is that a new system might have been made that isnt run on binary code like most computers. A better one seems to have been made. I have only been able to trace it back to the cold war so far.
...............

Okay, guess that's better than waiting for the second coming of Christ :D The formers possible. I could believe something new may be discovered using numbers and useful for technology or something else.

But the point is, if there are ways of becoming enlightened, God codes etc. If the people who say they have the answers to this, then surly they could give out the formula to all peoples of Earth, so we can all share this knowledge.
I need proof.

What do you think Shayler is onto exactly, can you tell more?

[kblood]

Some of my first posts were about trying to teach others to use telepathy and other senses of the mind. They seem a bit gone now though. So much going on, on this forum :)

Since you probably havent seen someone you know die, or seen ghosts, it is quite hard to prove anything. And I dont use any of these abilities unless I got a very good reason for it. Astral traveling and stuff like that can be another way to learn of the hidden truths, fortune telling and so on. Our minds are simply locked down to 5 senses most the time, since they connect us to our planet. Within us and our minds we have more senses though, that can be unlocked with training. Some use drugs, but I wouldnt advise to do that. I have tried to explain it as a state of "oneness" where sorcerery is quite possible. Imagination sets the limit when first you begin unlocking it. Depending on how many abilities you have learned to control. Most people might simply not be meant to use more than 5 senses. Will be needed to find the new possible mind control electronic stuff that seems to be setup in the US and maybe elsewhere as well. Not sure if it is about mind control or just trying to sense those people who can get their brainwaves out of the normal range of frequency. Our brainwaves can be measured in low frequencies. Therefore there might be electronics that can at least measure these frequencies.

[kblood]

The only exact thing I can say he seems to be onto is "oneness". The essence of "god" if he is a being at all. At least it is the source of "miracles".

In mathematics and everything else, god is found in whatever is impossible. A number like 0 is something thought as impossible, since we usually cant reach this state for anything. Like 0 degrees, might not be possible to be exactly zero degrees. It all comes down to impossiblities of mathematics. Like trying to divide by 0. Most people believe it to be impossible to divide by zero, but some try to prove that there might be something else to it. That it might not just be impossible. On "curves" that go to infinite negative and positive, some believe that it would at infinite simply cross over at zero and become positive to negative or the other way around. Hard to prove though.

Prime numbers are hard to make the formula for, because these numbers are so mysterious. It does have a formula though, and an equiation, that makes it possible to do more than just "calculate" prime numbers.

[eternal_spirit]

Some of my first posts were about trying to teach others to use telepathy and other senses of the mind. They seem a bit gone now though. So much going on, on this forum :)

Since you probably havent seen someone you know die, or seen ghosts, it is quite hard to prove anything. And I dont use any of these abilities unless I got a very good reason for it. Astral traveling and stuff like that can be another way to learn of the hidden truths, fortune telling and so on. Our minds are simply locked down to 5 senses most the time, since they connect us to our planet. Within us and our minds we have more senses though, that can be unlocked with training. Some use drugs, but I wouldnt advise to do that. I have tried to explain it as a state of "oneness" where sorcerery is quite possible. Imagination sets the limit when first you begin unlocking it. Depending on how many abilities you have learned to control. Most people might simply not be meant to use more than 5 senses. Will be needed to find the new possible mind control electronic stuff that seems to be setup in the US and maybe elsewhere as well. Not sure if it is about mind control or just trying to sense those people who can get their brainwaves out of the normal range of frequency. Our brainwaves can be measured in low frequencies. Therefore there might be electronics that can at least measure these frequencies.
...............

I've had many experiences that can't be simply explained as normal science. I rarely post about it on the forum, some of it's not easy to describe. Alot of psychic stuff I've been there done it. I have my own techniques, I don't follow anyones teachings or religous books, or use any sigils, symbols that others use, I have my own. :) Listen to my music, if you are spiritual it should resonate with you.

Interesting about brainwaves, frequencies, this is the stuff that's used against us, we need to know how to change our own brainwaves, to combat the crap they try and programme us with. So say they have machines that can read someones brainwaves, when that person reaches a certain frequency, the ones with the readers would know and could send out some mind controlling or scrambling device to effect that persons thoughts. They need machines to dampen down our spirits to stop us becoming more concious.

[kblood]

Yup. I think I tried getting a CT scan or what it is called before I was 20, to try and see if the other senses could be mapped as well. So I tried to see what they would see if they made a record of the data. I have been looking on the chipping forum and found out about brainwave frequencies. Sounds like that could explain alot. Another kind of "aura" just for the brain I think. Im trying to research these things in a machine code way, because I fear I might have met a real life cyborg, who was a project started in relation to Arnold back in the Terminator 1 and 2 movie days, or earlier, where Arnold apparantly was a Nazi satanists or something. His name Scwarzenegger, is actually a german word that could be translated (with some imagination) into black nigger :p. I think I once spoke with him, and it sounds like he saw the faults in racism. According to some prophecies I wrote as a kid, he might be the next president of the US. Just cant say when. The new "Simpsons" movie seems to agree, but that is very likely just to be based on those old papers I once wrote. They have been translate by a cousin of mine somewhat. Will look into how much that have been translated of it, when I begin at my new job.

[deca]

This Is Your Brain on God

Michael Persinger has a vision - the Almighty isn't dead, he's an energy field. And your mind is an electromagnetic map to your soul.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=

add a microwave hearing effect and you are the new Jesus !!!


some of you might have noticed that my posts go weird now and then,
Thats when they hit my with this kind of attack.

Mind Control Series (Discovery Channel)
(Michael Persinger in it)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[eternal_spirit]

This Is Your Brain on God

Michael Persinger has a vision - the Almighty isn't dead, he's an energy field. And your mind is an electromagnetic map to your soul.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=

add a microwave hear add you are the new Jesus !!!


some of you might have noticed that my posts go weird now and then,
Thats when they hit my with this kind of attack.

Mind Control Series (Discovery Channel)
(Michael Persinger in it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg716ODKuJQ&mode=related&search=


This seems the most logical, plausible explanation, the devices they have these days are advanced, but they could of been using this stuff for years for all we know.

They had to rely on hypnotic suggestion in the olden days,and maybe halluconegens maybe even in darkness in a temple or somewhere a man would hide and throw his voice to the one who thinks he's communing with God, Jesus or whatever spirit.

[kblood]

I believe technology can get closer to god than we would normally believe. I am hoping to find some of the technology made with the new scientific breakthroughs that have been made these last few years. Problem with this technology is how actuall magick spells and so on, might in fact be "programmable". More or less anyway :rolleyes:

Our whole body can be made into 0 and 1, with technology advanced enough. Problem is we have to find alot of the secrets behind how to do so in ourselves I think. I guess I cannot be certain about the secret being the formula behind primenumbers, but the formula behind primenumbers have been found more than once... so why is it still a secret, that is said to have no formula?

And if you do not believe the secret behind the prime number is something that can be figured out...
How can it not be something quite easy to figure out? We got computers so fast today, that there should be quite a few computers today able to figure out that formula. Using it to anything though, that takes wisdom and some knowhow.

Well, or maybe I am just pouring water out my ears. I cannot prove any of it anytime soon :(

[eternal_spirit]

kblood don't ask me I'm not much use at mathematics, you need to talk to someone who knows numbers. :) maybe start a thread.

[deca]

David Shayler on Sky News - 05.12.2006 - Part 1/3
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

David Shayler on Sky News - Part 2 of 3 - YouTube

David Shayler on Sky News - Part 3 of 3 - YouTube

[john white]

I believe technology can get closer to god than we would normally believe. I am hoping to find some of the technology made with the new scientific breakthroughs that have been made these last few years. Problem with this technology is how actuall magick spells and so on, might in fact be "programmable". More or less anyway :rolleyes:

Our whole body can be made into 0 and 1, with technology advanced enough. Problem is we have to find alot of the secrets behind how to do so in ourselves I think. I guess I cannot be certain about the secret being the formula behind primenumbers, but the formula behind primenumbers have been found more than once... so why is it still a secret, that is said to have no formula?

And if you do not believe the secret behind the prime number is something that can be figured out...
How can it not be something quite easy to figure out? We got computers so fast today, that there should be quite a few computers today able to figure out that formula. Using it to anything though, that takes wisdom and some knowhow.

Well, or maybe I am just pouring water out my ears. I cannot prove any of it anytime soon :(

Proof is the end result, not the start, of the journey

What you say is very interesting K blood

I get the feel of a spiralling formation, tunneling forwards, as the shape of the numbers when I think of primes

[kblood]

Proof is the end result, not the start, of the journey

What you say is very interesting K blood

I get the feel of a spiralling formation, tunneling forwards, as the shape of the numbers when I think of primes

You could very will be right there John. Would be nice to see how primenumbers look on a 3D graph of some kind. If anyone discovers the secret behind prime numbers though, then it is not wise to release it publicy. I have heard rumours of people getting killed over it. Only thing that is sure about prime numbers, is that they are used for just about every kind of encryption and other digital security there is. So if the equation or formula behind primenumbers is found (again), then there will probably be alot of people that do not want it to come out, since alot of security systems could be cracked with a minimum of computer power by it. Still takes time to make the crack program of course... :rolleyes:

Yea, sorry Eternal Spirit. I just felt like I had to write about my theory about prime numbers once again. I am trying to explain it so that everyone can see some logic to it. Takes a degree of belief in what I write though, since I usually do not find any good links to support it.

[deca]

kbood start a thead about prime numbers don`t use this one, stop going of topic.

[narcolepticwatchman]

Quite an interesting history on Shayler's history as a 9/11 researcher. Seems to either be going through a massive change, or tailoring his opinions to suit his quest for fame and attention.

http://www.911cultwatch.org.uk/911cult_006.htm

I wouldn't discount the massive change. I think everyone has probably had similar shifts in perspective on the 9/11 issue. I started off believing that Osama did it.....then realised there was serious incompetence and lies......then realised they did it.......now I don't think any planes were involved.

However, I wouldn't rule out the fact that he has been a sleeper or mind controlled either.

Its a strange one.

[deca]

where he gave a hour long narcissistic monologue during which a frail-looking David Shayler explained that he was not only the re-incarnation of the Christ but also the re-incarnation of King Arthur, Leonardo Da Vinci and a whole host of other historically significant characters.

His head most be scrambled but the sad thing is he believes that this is true
and he has experienced all this, even thou most people will see it as nonsense.

You watch give him 6 to 12 months and he will be in rehab or a mental hospital claiming MI5 are using mind weapons against him,but by then his credibility will be zero.

[synergy777]

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html?pg=5&topic=&topic_set=

"Seeing God" is really just a soothing euphemism for the fleeting awareness of ourselves alone in the universe: a look in that existential mirror. The "sensed presence" - now easily generated by a machine pumping our brains with electromagnetic spirituality - is nothing but our exquisite and singular self, at one with the true solitude of our condition, deeply anxious. We're itching to get out of here, to escape this tired old environment with its frayed carpets, blasted furniture, and shabby old God. Time to move on and discover true divinity all over again.

deca awesome article. the elctromagnetic/electric universe. the whole "life" we experience could be a simulation, everything from love, lust etc can be broken down to chemical levels, egotistical needs etc. its not nice viewing life in a rational manner, people prefer the lovery dovey angle, and hate being viewed as merely atoms. the 13th floor, etc we could be merely living as "objects/artificial intelligence/self aware alogrithims" created in a field/wave. i prefer this angle to the spiritual/creator aspect, as it appeals to the left brain, it gives assurance, validity to the hypothesis.

personally i hate the love/right/soul aspect of life, as it uncertainity, plagued with problems, gives away your power/rationale/control. it makes man loose focus, its too complex. people are drone like, programmed, only spiritual to give themselves insurance/security, as they fear the unknown. this is my type of stuff, far more accurate than looking at religous texts/symbolism, etc which is at best guesswork based on questionable sources.

personally i crave certainity/objectivity, and this elctromagentic manipulation, give the closet, most scientific reason for our planet/cosmo/life. if you have any more links, articles on this stuff, please let me know bro.

[synergy777]

i think we obviously beings/creations, with huge potential, but if life itself can be broken down into electric/electomagnetic fields, hence the wave/particle duality debate, then lets be frank, is this really a setup, a test, program, simulation?

peopel will get upset, etc, but fuck them to be frank, we want facts not fans. the truth is science supersedes them, so they should get upset with scientists etc.

if today we had a new manhatten project, all the best in the fields of sciences/maths to break the code, simulation. before we had oppenheimer, von neumen, john nash, now its all black ops/oil etc.

modern society has hit a glass ceiling, we no longer care about the big questions, we only care the level of wealth/comfort, when if we breakdown the fabric of life, we could be gods/aware.

we are htting a new era, a dna/activation, a postion where if we utilise technology/supercomputers/nano tech, to really evolve, transhuman/cybernetics, implants.

doesn;t the maintsream view of life remind you of monochrome tv, when in reality it should be holographic. i like baudrillards view.

Jean Baudrillard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jean Baudrillard (July 29, 1929 – March 6, 2007) (IPA pronunciation: [ʒɑ̃ bo.dʀi.jaʀ][1]) was a French cultural theorist, philosopher, political commentator, and photographer. His work is frequently associated with postmodernism and post-structuralism.


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From this starting point Baudrillard constructed broad theories of human society based upon this kind of self-referentiality. His pictures of society portray societies always searching for a sense of meaning -- or a 'total' understanding of the world -- that remains consistently elusive. In contrast to poststructuralists such as Foucault, for whom the search for knowledge always created a relationship of power and dominance, Baudrillard developed theories in which the excessive, fruitless search for total knowledge lead almost inevitability to a kind of delusion. In Baudrillard's view, the (human) subject may try to understand the (non-human) object, but because the object can only be understood according to what it signifies (and because the process of signification immediately involves a web of other signs from which it is distinguished) this never produces the desired results. The subject, rather, becomes seduced (in the original latin sense, seducere, to lead away) by the object. He therefore argued that, in the last analysis, a complete understanding of the minutiae of human life is impossible, and when people are seduced into thinking otherwise they become drawn toward a 'simulated' version of reality, or, to use one of his neologisms, a state of 'hyperreality.' This is not to say that the world becomes unreal, but rather that the the faster and more comprehensively societies begin to bring reality together into one supposedly coherent picure, the more insecure and unstable it looks and the more fearful societies become[7]. Reality, in this sense, 'dies out.'[8]

Accordingly, Baudrillard argued that in late Twentieth Century 'global' society the excess of signs and of meaning had caused a (quite paradoxical) effacement of reality. In this world neither liberal or Marxist utopias are any longer believed in. We live, he argued, not in a 'global village,' to use Marshall McLuhan's phrase, but rather in a world that is ever more easily petrified by even the smallest event. Because the 'global' world operates at the level of the exchange of signs and commodities, it becomes ever more blind to symbolic acts such as, for example, terrorism. In Baudrillard's work the symbolic realm (which he develops a perspective on through the anthropolical work of Marcel Mauss and Georges Bataille) is seen as quite distinct from that of signs and signification. Signs can be exchanged like commodities; symbols, on the other hand, operate quite differently: they are exchanged, like gifts, sometimes violently as a form of potlatch. Baudrillard, particularly in his later work, saw the 'global' society as without this 'symbolic' element, and therefore symbolically (if not militarily) defenceless against acts such as the Rushdie Fatwa[9] or, indeed, the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against the United States and its military establishment (see below).


The object value system
In his early books, such as The System of Objects, For a Critique of the Political Economy of the Sign, and The Consumer Society, Baudrillard's main focus is upon consumerism, and how different objects are consumed in different ways. At this time Baudrillard's political perspective was loosely associated with Marxism (and situationism), but in these books he differed from Marx in one significant way. For Baudrillard, it was consumption, rather than production which was the main drive in capitalist society.

Baudrillard came to this conclusion by critiquing Marx's concept of 'use value.' Baudrillard thought that both Marx's and Adam Smith's economic thought accepted the idea of genuine needs relating to genuine uses too easily and too simply. He argued, drawing from Georges Bataille, that needs are constructed, rather than innate. Whereas Marx believed that genuine uses lay beneath capitalism's 'commodity fetishism,' Baudrillard thought that all purchases, because they always signify something socially, have their fetishistic side. Objects always, he wrote, drawing from Roland Barthes, 'say something' about their users. And this was, for him, why consumption was and remains more important than production: because the 'ideological genesis of needs'[10] precedes the production of goods to meet those needs.

He wrote that there are four ways of an object obtaining value. The four value-making processes are as follows[11]:

The first is the functional value of an object; its instrumental purpose. A pen, for instance, writes; and a refrigerator cools. Marx's 'use-value' is very similar to this first type of value.

The second is the exchange value of an object; its economic value. One pen may be worth three pencils; and one refrigerator may be worth the salary earned by three months of work.

The third is the symbolic value of an object; a value that a subject assigns to an object in relation to another subject. A pen might symbolize a student's school graduation gift or a commencement speaker's gift; or a diamond may be a symbol of publicly declared marital love.

The last is the sign value of an object; its value within a system of objects. A particular pen may, whilst having no functional benefit, signify prestige relative to another pen; a diamond ring may have no function at all, but may confer particular social values, such as taste or class.

Baudrillard's earlier books were attempts to argue that the first two of these values are not simply associated, but are disrupted by the third and, particularly, the fourth. Later, Baudrillard rejected Marxism totally (The Mirror of Production and Symbolic Exchange and Death). But the focus on the difference between sign value (which relates to commodity exchange) and symbolic value (which relates to Maussian gift exchange) remained in his work up until his death. Indeed it came to play a more and more important role, particularly in his writings on world events.

[deca]

This makes a lot of sense to me
Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic Field
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20022/0516026.htm

Electromagnetic theories of consciousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hi synergy777 I don`t know if you have read this.At present I don`t have a lot of time to discus things, working hard to expose mind control and electronic harassment unfortunately.Hopefully soon I will be able to spend more time on other stuff.