What to do? Know the Grail Law!

[seamus]

a little note about the casting that I find very interesting. Andre "Ice Cold" 3000 (aka Andre Benjamin), with the hip-hop group Outkast, has a music video in which life after ego death plays a part (i believe, see it for yourself). my notes are below, don't read them until you see the video at least once ;) see if you see what i see without my notes.
OutKast - Hey Ya (High-Quality) - YouTube





Notice the color green (life) everywhere in the video, and the heart that turns upside down to resemble a spade. The name of the fake band "The Love Below", the many faces that Andre wears (it's almost a knockoff of Paul McCartney's "Coming Up" video with Wings, which has its own renewal of life theme) reminds me of ego-personae that we have throughout our incarnations, and notice the coffin at center stage. I didn't even see the coffin until my third or fourth viewing of this video. Even the coffin is green and fairly bursting with flowers.

EDIT: Doh! I JUST noticed this! At the beginning of the video the drummer refuses to play without a "hat" on his head.

HE GETS A CROWN!!!

The lyrics speak of the shallowness of 'romantic love' (which is all about ego) and stops right about there, before going into hilarious sexual innuendo and typical dance-mongering. It features some of the best lines in all of popular music such as, "shake it like a polaroid picture" "Don't want to meet your daddy, just want you meet my Caddy. Don't want to meet your mama. Just want to make you come-uh. ...I'm just being honest!" :D:D:D!



here is a live version from the grammy awards. you can see the freedom of tribalism contrasted to the conformity of scientific "western" society.

OutKast - Hey ya live at the Grammy Awards HD - YouTuberemember, folks, NOTHING in entertainment is even remotely accidental. (except J.Lo falling on her butt or stuff like that) Choreographers, filmographers, and other sundry artists make their living by paying attention to EVERY detail.

[roage]

a little note about the casting that I find very interesting. Andre "Ice Cold" 3000 (aka Andre Benjamin), with the hip-hop group Outkast, has a music video in which life after ego death plays a part (i believe, see it for yourself). my notes are below, don't read them until you see the video at least once ;) see if you see what i see without my notes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKs133Udmk





Notice the color green (life) everywhere in the video, and the heart that turns upside down to resemble a spade. The name of the fake band "The Love Below", the many faces that Andre wears (it's almost a knockoff of Paul McCartney's "Coming Up" video with Wings, which has its own renewal of life theme) reminds me of ego-personae that we have throughout our incarnations, and notice the coffin at center stage. I didn't even see the coffin until my third or fourth viewing of this video. Even the coffin is green and fairly bursting with flowers.

EDIT: Doh! I JUST noticed this! At the beginning of the video the drummer refuses to play without a "hat" on his head.

HE GETS A CROWN!!!

The lyrics speak of the shallowness of 'romantic love' (which is all about ego) and stops right about there, before going into hilarious sexual innuendo and typical dance-mongering. It features some of the best lines in all of popular music such as, "shake it like a polaroid picture" "Don't want to meet your daddy, just want you meet my Caddy. Don't want to meet your mama. Just want to make you come-uh. ...I'm just being honest!" :D:D:D!



here is a live version from the grammy awards. you can see the freedom of tribalism contrasted to the conformity of scientific "western" society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrdbD6H42KQremember, folks, NOTHING in entertainment is even remotely accidental. (except J.Lo falling on her butt or stuff like that) Choreographers, filmographers, and other sundry artists make their living by paying attention to EVERY detail.

The Love Below/Speakerbox album is really unique and I have listen to it a number of times. I recognized Andre in the movie. There is a clique of folks that are trying to arouse the people but it is going to take more sleeping on the streets before they are ready.

[seamus]

i just noticed that the three left-most hearts pretty much point at the open casket. follow the lines of intersection and it's right above the flowers!

[roage]

i just noticed that the three left-most hearts pretty much point at the open casket. follow the lines of intersection and it's right above the flowers!

Music and the drug culture fall under the control of the Cult of Dionysus and they have always been moving us is odd directions.

[roage]

I found this article interesting it goes into a bunch of stuff but in the end we have one way out The same kind of nonsense applies in the UK:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22790849/The-Matrix-and-the-U-S-Constitution

[seamus]

Music and the drug culture fall under the control of the Cult of Dionysus and they have always been moving us is odd directions.
The Grateful Dead were priests of Dionysus, and not even secretly so! God I wish I could just be at one more show. R.I.P. Jerry!

[swift44]

So what does everyone here think of Jon Stewert and Steven Colbert?

Edit: I should really ask this in general

[roage]

So what does everyone here think of Jon Stewert and Steven Colbert?

Edit: I should really ask this in general

One tries to sneak the truth in but mostly confuses and the other is radical up until he hits the boundary he won't cross.

[noewhan]

I'm wondering if Jon DePaw is right, the 'Grail' is a hints towards anti-gravity...

http://www.coralcastlecode.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/insidec.jpg

http://www.coralcastlecode.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hg11111011111.jpg

Main site (http://coralcastlecode.com/id1.html)

[roage]

I'm wondering if Jon DePaw is right, the 'Grail' is a hints towards anti-gravity...

http://www.coralcastlecode.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/insidec.jpg

http://www.coralcastlecode.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hg11111011111.jpg

Main site (http://coralcastlecode.com/id1.html)

Why wonder when you can be certain. Where would you go if you are not permitted outside of the confines of a quarantine?

Although intriguing it is a distraction from the primary objective of our exercise (life).

[gooseone]

Seems like a great article Roage ..reading it now.

I am more and more starting to think there could be a major happening in the short future , almost every aspect of "common society" seems to be built on a fundament which (to me) seems to be crackling under the weight.

The financial system , which if you look at the big picture imo should already be tumbling down.
It's based on really old concepts which have been patched , lapped and built on
to create linear sort of growth (linear seems to be a human invention btw ;))
The same goes for the food industry , big pharma , Law etc etc.

I feel sorry for TPTB , because when you're so consumed by a type of ego thought and you've come so far ..you have a whole lot to lose.

I'm wondering if and when things will really start to come down , if it's a ruff
transition i just hope enough people are able to see things as a bigger picture instead of bashing each others head in for the last hamburger.

Exciting times anyway :D

How does everyone here observe their environment btw ?
Do you people get the feeling more and more people are looking at life a little differently ?

[roage]

Seems like a great article Roage ..reading it now.

I am more and more starting to think there could be a major happening in the short future , almost every aspect of "common society" seems to be built on a fundament which (to me) seems to be crackling under the weight.

The financial system , which if you look at the big picture imo should already be tumbling down.
It's based on really old concepts which have been patched , lapped and built on
to create linear sort of growth (linear seems to be a human invention btw ;))
The same goes for the food industry , big pharma , Law etc etc.

I feel sorry for TPTB , because when you're so consumed by a type of ego thought and you've come so far ..you have a whole lot to lose.

I'm wondering if and when things will really start to come down , if it's a ruff
transition i just hope enough people are able to see things as a bigger picture instead of bashing each others head in for the last hamburger.

Exciting times anyway :D

How does everyone here observe their environment btw ?
Do you people get the feeling more and more people are looking at life a little differently ?

I have Edward Leedskalnin's book. I got it after I figured out how he was moving monoliths and he is right he is doing it the same way the Egyptians did it and the way Solomon's Temple was built.

We have all the energy and tools we need to change our world into a beautiful garden of light and wonder. The objective is not with our capability it is we have been asleep so we could develop the motivation for prudent choices. We are spoiled brats throwing a fit and once we exhaust our tantrum dry our eyes and promote fecal consolidation then we can use the tools that Stellar Cult has been protecting for us.

I do not feel sorry for those who think they rule. They do what they are supposed to be doing, in that they provide the negative reinforcement. Slavery is a good lesson worth learning and they have performed magnificently in that capacity.

My view of society and the masses is positive. We are quickly coming to the point where we stop dividing ourselves by thing that "they" are sheeple. The secret is that a majority of people have it in them that they desire a change and are willing to put the effort into what is required.

It was not long ago where we "knew" we were not confused. Now at least a majority knows they are confused and that is a great milestone. They are angry but most are not sure what to be angry about.

This is where we can help in our day to day interactions people need to know that there are safe, easy and non-violent alternatives to the incessant fear mongering that batters their senses continually. If each one of us simple help two people a month come to this realization then this that you see will manifest with such astounding speed that we will truly be in awe.

This is the doubling:
2.00, 4.00, 8.00, 16.00, 32.00, 64.00, 128.00, 256.00, 512.00, 1,024.00, 2,048.00, 4,096.00, 8,192.00, 16,384.00, 32,768.00, 65,536.00, 131,072.00, 262,144.00, 524,288.00, 1,048,576.00, 2,097,152.00, 4,194,304.00, 8,388,608.00, 16,777,216.00, 33,554,432.00, 67,108,864.00, 134,217,728.00, 268,435,456.00, 536,870,912.00, 1,073,741,824.00, 2,147,483,648.00, 4,294,967,296.00, 8,589,934,592.00

There are 32 doublings so if we are each able to help 2 a month then 32 months.

2 every two weeks: 16 months

Our problem is focus and intent. We distract ourselves. Granted we can only help when people are ready for that help so one could expect a geometric increase in suffering to bring about that readiness.

I think if they kick of the wars, declare martial law and begin the infectious cull then we will see a speedy transition.

[swift44]

I have Edward Leedskalnin's book. I got it after I figured out how he was moving monoliths and he is right he is doing it the same way the Egyptians did it and the way Solomon's Temple was built.

We have all the energy and tools we need to change our world into a beautiful garden of light and wonder. The objective is not with our capability it is we have been asleep so we could develop the motivation for prudent choices. We are spoiled brats throwing a fit and once we exhaust our tantrum dry our eyes and promote fecal consolidation then we can use the tools that Stellar Cult has been protecting for us.

I do not feel sorry for those who think they rule. They do what they are supposed to be doing, in that they provide the negative reinforcement. Slavery is a good lesson worth learning and they have performed magnificently in that capacity.

My view of society and the masses is positive. We are quickly coming to the point where we stop dividing ourselves by thing that "they" are sheeple. The secret is that a majority of people have it in them that they desire a change and are willing to put the effort into what is required.

It was not long ago where we "knew" we were not confused. Now at least a majority knows they are confused and that is a great milestone. They are angry but most are not sure what to be angry about.

This is where we can help in our day to day interactions people need to know that there are safe, easy and non-violent alternatives to the incessant fear mongering that batters their senses continually. If each one of us simple help two people a month come to this realization then this that you see will manifest with such astounding speed that we will truly be in awe.

This is the doubling:
2.00, 4.00, 8.00, 16.00, 32.00, 64.00, 128.00, 256.00, 512.00, 1,024.00, 2,048.00, 4,096.00, 8,192.00, 16,384.00, 32,768.00, 65,536.00, 131,072.00, 262,144.00, 524,288.00, 1,048,576.00, 2,097,152.00, 4,194,304.00, 8,388,608.00, 16,777,216.00, 33,554,432.00, 67,108,864.00, 134,217,728.00, 268,435,456.00, 536,870,912.00, 1,073,741,824.00, 2,147,483,648.00, 4,294,967,296.00, 8,589,934,592.00

There are 32 doublings so if we are each able to help 2 a month then 32 months.

2 every two weeks: 16 months

Our problem is focus and intent. We distract ourselves. Granted we can only help when people are ready for that help so one could expect a geometric increase in suffering to bring about that readiness.

I think if they kick of the wars, declare martial law and begin the infectious cull then we will see a speedy transition.

Pyramid scheme? :)

[seamus]

Pyramid scheme? :)
Please... at least save our eyes from looking at someone else's whole post only to find that you don't have anything substantive to contribute. Be considerate of the bandwidth of people who might still be on dialup. Be considerate of the hard drive space of this site.

Or alternately, you could say all of what you have to say, starting with the seeds of the thought you are trying to convey. It takes effort to verbalize and type whole thoughts, I understand, but that is the only way real communication can happen in such an environment as this.

Love,

Fownie Face

[seamus]

[...]
I think if they kick of the wars, declare martial law and begin the infectious cull then we will see a speedy transition.

Infectious Cull

That's a great name for a band.

[deckard666]

Please... at least save our eyes from looking at someone else's whole post only to find that you don't have anything substantive to contribute. Be considerate of the bandwidth of people who might still be on dialup. Be considerate of the hard drive space of this site.

Or alternately, you could say all of what you have to say, starting with the seeds of the thought you are trying to convey. It takes effort to verbalize and type whole thoughts, I understand, but that is the only way real communication can happen in such an environment as this.

Love,

Fownie Face

Don't say that. What a "coincidence". It is a pyramid scheme (Swift wrote that for me - I can use it - it's my tool). They don't work right? That's what we're told over and over. Not if you want to get everybody rich in the game. It works if you want to inform a huge mass of people. It spreads slowly bust constantly and multiplies like a virus. That's the way it will work. In my country people spent their energy on "Information War" - I was looking for a way I would call "Information Support" for people on all stages of their path. I started 2 days ago with the term "pyramid scheme" which I used in a forum in my native language. Today Roage talks about it here while I was working on a different topic - but I got distracted and worked on the pyramid scheme again. Now while I lost inspiration on it I just went checking in on you guys to see how you are doing and voila. There my sign. That work is finally getting somewhere. I know it. I wish I could say where.

Anyway ... just wanted to say there are some among us who are further up on the road that might not see the signs anymore that those not so far up on the road still need :)

Namaste,

Deckard

[seamus]

Don't say that. What a "coincidence". It is a pyramid scheme (Swift wrote that for me - I can use it - it's my tool). They don't work right? That's what we're told over and over. Not if you want to get everybody rich in the game. It works if you want to inform a huge mass of people. It spreads slowly bust constantly and multiplies like a virus. That's the way it will work. In my country people spent their energy on "Information War" - I was looking for a way I would call "Information Support" for people on all stages of their path. I started 2 days ago with the term "pyramid scheme" which I used in a forum in my native language. Today Roage talks about it here while I was working on a different topic - but I got distracted and worked on the pyramid scheme again. Now while I lost inspiration on it I just went checking in on you guys to see how you are doing and voila. There my sign. That work is finally getting somewhere. I know it. I wish I could say where.

Anyway ... just wanted to say there are some among us who are further up on the road that might not see the signs anymore that those not so far up on the road still need :)


Namaste,

Deckard

Don't say what? my whole post? I didn't mean to call the pyramid scheme idea into question. I think it's more like a confidence game, personally, but YMMV.

I am glad Swift44 contributed. I just wish he would stop assuming we know all the subtext of his thoughts. It is bad etiquette to simply quote a long post in totality, and add a one-liner at the end of the quote. It gets my goat. It wouldn't if he posted some detailed opinion, question, observation or consternation half the time, but it's these one-liners almost every single time. Some forums have a rule against that, it becomes such a problem.

I did not mean to make a negativity festival out of it. Just trying to spread awareness, and alleviate my caprine gottenness :o


EDIT: Oh, and i certainly didn't mean to put myself in the position of one who is "further along the road". I may be, but the ego function that would normally push me to come out like that is being suppressed currently. But I am just clueless enough socially that I come across differently from how I intend to!

[gooseone]

Lol , i can see you have the same hickup i tend to have a lot lately seamus.

One can come over very ego based when talking to people who percieve things differently :p

@ Roage , you have me confused , the article i was replying to wasn't about
Edward Leedskalnin but you're reply implies that it was :confused:

Fascinating stuff also , i already looked into the Coral Castle stuff.

Ow and today i heard a song on the yearly top 1000 of alltimes which is played here every year and for some reason i was paying attention to the lyrics........

so without further ado............
Queen - Innuendo - YouTube

:D

[roage]

@ Roage , you have me confused , the article i was replying to wasn't about
Edward Leedskalnin but you're reply implies that it was :confused:

Fascinating stuff also , i already looked into the Coral Castle stuff.

You don't seem confused to me, I am the one confused it seems ;)

I just lost my place to live. It is going to be interesting what happens next.

This is the fun part of the game. Can't watch the video over here it is copyrighted. Oh well...

[seamus]

where there's a will, there's a way, with the INTERNET!

Queen - Innuendo - YouTube

[particlepopup]

You don't seem confused to me, I am the one confused it seems ;)

I just lost my place to live. It is going to be interesting what happens next.

This is the fun part of the game. Can't watch the video over here it is copyrighted. Oh well...

You can always move into my shed, it has a manger goats and donkeys!! :p

[gooseone]

Interesting indeed :)
What's about to happen to the earth ? :D

[roage]

you can always move into my shed, it has a manger goats and donkeys!! :pwifi?

[particlepopup]

wifi?

Afraid not, i could put fake reindeer antlers on the donkey you may get a bit of reception. :D

[roage]

Hi Gang,

Sorry I have been away, I am in the process of moving and it is taking a lot of time.

I posted my resume on the site. If you know if of someone I can help then I would appreciate your help. Critiques welcome. :D

Roage

[seamus]

Roage, where is it? it appears you have hidden it.

[ex sheep]

Roage, where is it? it appears you have hidden it.

http://roage.com/main.asp?PageID=184

Roage, was this move planned, or are you following the white rabbit ;)



http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/249/8/3/_white_rabbit__by_lexy04.gif

[roage]

Roage, where is it? it appears you have hidden it.

It is in the site page section of the contents:

http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=184

[roage]

http://roage.com/main.asp?PageID=184

Roage, was this move planned, or are you following the white rabbit ;)



http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/249/8/3/_white_rabbit__by_lexy04.gif

Yes it was planned but to us it was a surprise ;)

[ex sheep]

Yes it was planned but to us it was a surprise ;)

:D

I get it :)

[gooseone]

I'm almost jealous Roage , there you are with a great oppertunity to put things into practice .....lessons which present itself in the most clear form from which you know the outcome can only be that you have learned yet more then before.

I will hope for you that the ones around you don't take offence at the situations that have arisen.

This brings the thought that i am not aware of you're family situation atm , but
if you are a family man ...who's lesson is it ? :D

[roage]

This brings the thought that i am not aware of you're family situation atm , but
if you are a family man ...who's lesson is it ? :D

The lesson is for my wife and more importantly my mother in law. My wife has asked that her mother's ego would be cracked and as you know that is not without a large amount of personal upheaval and suffering.

So far things have worked out perfectly for me. My wife and her mother are a bit frazzled and I imagine that the worst is still to come. There will be a great change soon and it will be at least valuable from an entertainment perspective.

[gooseone]

On a different note ...i recently read an article which has driven me to ask the question...
Who here is left handed ?

I am anyway, and it seems concluded from studies left handed people think more with the right side of the brain.

Not stigmatising...just wondering if there is anything to take into account in the concept :p

[seamus]

there's a thread here about that. i was born a lefty and forced to change by my superstitious mother. my brother also was born left handed, but after seeing what it did to me my father put his foot down and said "No, woman, you are not doing that again."

[ex sheep]

Me too left handed.

[gooseone]

A coulple more and things might get interesting :D

[particlepopup]

im ambidextrous for certain tasks ;)

[davidbyrne]

Raises left hand.

I was born leftie as well and thankfully never had to change that.

[roage]

I am right-handed.

[gooseone]

Pheeew !
I almost started to think something about the matter :p

[deckard666]

Thanks Roage ... I was already thinking of starting to swap to left hand usage :D

Namaste,

Deckard

[swift44]

I'm one to point out the obvious; Right brain controls left side of body Left controls right.

[roage]

Pheeew !
I almost started to think something about the matter :p

One contrary data point does not a correlation break.

[gooseone]

Talking about correlation ;)
How nice is it to see a couple of sunspots (the big one has been there a couple of days , while i think there haven't more then 2 tiny ones in quit some time) emerging at exactly the winter solstice :D

www.spaceweather.com

[roage]

Talking about correlation ;)
How nice is it to see a couple of sunspots (the big one has been there a couple of days , while i think there haven't more then 2 tiny ones in quit some time) emerging at exactly the winter solstice :D

www.spaceweather.comThat's a trip. That is the exact page I check the weather with every day. I have been watching spots for quite a while. At least there is another who knows what really drives climate!

More spots mean higher radiant energy during that day.

[gooseone]

Ever since i saw a couple of vids of the sun going berserk i started to watch our
visable lightgiver , always very fascinating.

coupled with what i already knew from history classes about volcanos and ice-ages you can imagine it came as quite the shock when that climate hoax came out.

I was like "WTF ..people honestly didn't knew we only had a little part in it !" :confused:

That's certainly not to say that it is a great accomplishment (sadly not one of those to be proud of )that we probably do have a measurable effect on this planet. (aside from the negative vibration created by raping it).

For the ones who might be interested in the matter i might suggest looking up more info on the "great pacific garbage patch"
That one brought me to tears when i saw pictures of deceased birds with plastic in their stomach :(.

Just a reminder for everyone reading this ....the result of anti global warming scemes can have a good outcome....if you atleast don't care about all this NWO stuff etc :D

[roage]

That's certainly not to say that it is a great accomplishment (sadly not one of those to be proud of )that we probably do have a measurable effect on this planet. (aside from the negative vibration created by raping it).


I look at it the other way. I see the raping as a side-effect of a corporate consciousness that technologically seeks to separate man from his environment.

The crooked path.

[swift44]

Well, I think im done with this thread, lator Roage and the rest.

Edit: I wanna leave with a smile :)

[roage]

Well, I think im done with this thread, lator Roage and the rest.

They tend to do that.

"All things that have a beginning, have an end."

The Matrix

Cheers

Roage

[roage]

I put a message board on the Roage site

Roage Forum (http://roage.com/tinc?key=RbODnvl8&start=-1&epp=5&reverse=1)

[seamus]

I put a message board on the Roage site

Roage Forum (http://roage.com/tinc?key=RbODnvl8&start=-1&epp=5&reverse=1)
woops! that's gonna hurt attendance here :p

[seamus]

woops! that's gonna hurt attendance here :p
I take that back... it's butt-ugly and non-user-friendly. may i suggest (free) phpbb? That's so easy to set up that even I was able to do it, and it looks a whole heck of a lot prettier even in default, than your forum looks. No offense, of course. just constructive criticism here! The worst was that it seemed there was no registration process, therefore no user control panel, no private message facility, no cookies to let your browser know how to go to the first unread post in a thread, etc.

[particlepopup]

Im having a bit of trouble, i entered a message but has disappeared into the cyber bin, there was me thinking i was gona be the first to post :rolleyes:

[roage]

I take that back... it's butt-ugly and non-user-friendly. may i suggest (free) phpbb? That's so easy to set up that even I was able to do it, and it looks a whole heck of a lot prettier even in default, than your forum looks. No offense, of course. just constructive criticism here! The worst was that it seemed there was no registration process, therefore no user control panel, no private message facility, no cookies to let your browser know how to go to the first unread post in a thread, etc.You do not like utilitarianism?

Let me look at it and see what it requires

[roage]

I take that back... it's butt-ugly and non-user-friendly. may i suggest (free) phpbb?

It is not supported on the MS package I am running. One of the drawbacks of paying for everything myself. :D

Any Ideas?

I don't have access to SQL Server. MS Access is slow.

[roage]

I upgrade my package to get SQL server. It is triple the price and it is my intent that I will find a Sponsor willing to cover the site costs for a good mention.

[ahakeleuthos1]

I upgrade my package to get SQL server. It is triple the price and it is my intent that I will find a Sponsor willing to cover the site costs for a good mention.

there you go down the money trail.

[roage]

there you go down the money trail.Well I am going to see if the funds appear out of nowhere. I already have people who are willing to help. I get three months free anyway.

[gooseone]

Lol , it's a great reminder how far we've gone.
Everybody want's flashy codes and smilies :p

I will keep an observing eye on it however :rolleyes:

[roage]

Lol , it's a great reminder how far we've gone.
Everybody want's flashy codes and smilies :p

I will keep an observing eye on it however :rolleyes:

It's coming if I can get it implemented on the server.

[gooseone]

Cool.
Eventhough it seems i have taken an evolutionary leap backwards through giving to much value to things i know in my heart aren't worthwile , i will contribute if i feel mentally challenged :D

[roage]

Cool.
Eventhough it seems i have taken an evolutionary leap backwards through giving to much value to things i know in my heart aren't worthwile , i will contribute if i feel mentally challenged :D

Within the general forum there needs to be a secure forum as a way to exchange ideas between people who are advanced so that we do not rankle the confused.

[ahakeleuthos1]

Within the general forum there needs to be a secure forum as a way to exchange ideas between people who are advanced so that we do not rankle the confused.

hence their immediate departure, effectively cutting off any advanced learning.
Of course you have said before they only learn when they are ready.:)

[roage]

hence their immediate departure, effectively cutting off any advanced learning.
Of course you have said before they only learn when they are ready.:)

Happy New Year!

I am working on developing a cute little forum app but I am having issues with auto notifications that I will have to surmount.

[seamus]

Happy new year, indeed! You're writing your own forum software? :eek:

[roage]

Happy new year, indeed! You're writing your own forum software? :eek:

Yeah why? I am actually pretty good at that kind of thing. I figured out how to do the email notifications by using the MailMessage Class and a relay server provided by the ISP.

I am writing my SQL Build scripts right now and I am thinking about how I want it all to go together and the database structure I need to keep from spamming everyone.

[seamus]

Yeah why? I am actually pretty good at that kind of thing. I figured out how to do the email notifications by using the MailMessage Class and a relay server provided by the ISP.

I am writing my SQL Build scripts right now and I am thinking about how I want it all to go together and the database structure I need to keep from spamming everyone.
well, the why is, why reinvent the wheel, when phpbb is so ubiquitous and user-friendly? that is, unless you mean to make it every bit as customizable and user friendly as phpbb is... if that is the case you just might have a winner on your hands...

[roage]

well, the why is, why reinvent the wheel, when phpbb is so ubiquitous and user-friendly? that is, unless you mean to make it every bit as customizable and user friendly as phpbb is... if that is the case you just might have a winner on your hands... My web server is Microsoft and not linux/unix and has no support for PHP and will not run it.

[ahakeleuthos1]

My web server is Microsoft and not linux/unix and has no support for PHP and will not run it.

besides don't we just need somewhere to be able to talk without freaking out the "general" population.
You know it shocks me how the truth can be so foriegn to the uniniated. But being hardwired for this practically from birth does have certain advantages that most just do not have. After years of being preprogrammed by a bunch of liars That's just what you get.

[ahakeleuthos1]

BTW with much practice I finally seem able to trace the web. Especially since a really good friend of mine seems to be "turning on" since his birthday.
He's even starting to figure out the number messages. Now if I can get him to start working backwards we'll be doing alright.:)

[paradise_1000]

@ roage

thank you for starting this thread this all makes sense

:)

[roage]

@ roage

thank you for starting this thread this all makes sense

:)

I am happy you can see!

Love
Roage

[roage]

Just finished a donation page on my site. Let me know if I am off-base or it is missing something.

The Grovel Page (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=188)

I guess I should now shave my head and wear orange.

Do you think I need the foot bell?

[octopusrex]

Grail like Sangraal?:confused:

[roage]

Grail like Sangraal?:confused:

No. "Grail" as in what is the source of the sovereign's (king's) power? Divine Grace and Protection.

Blood-line sovereignty is a confusion that grew out of Babylonian control principles. Blood-line sovereignty is exclusionary which is why those who bind themselves to that fallacious model have no power and no protection from tyrants who claim to wield the power on the behalf of one true living God.

Fundamental law operates contrary to this fiction and obfuscation.

[solarwindspirit]

No. "Grail" as in what is the source of the sovereign's (king's) power? Divine Grace and Protection.

Blood-line sovereignty is a confusion that grew out of Babylonian control principles. Blood-line sovereignty is exclusionary which is why those who bind themselves to that fallacious model have no power and no protection from tyrants who claim to wield the power on the behalf of one true living God.

Fundamental law operates contrary to this fiction and obfuscation.


Grail? Grail law? love of all humanity.. .connecting the dots in the spiritual world. . .but at the close of. ..it always leads you to your own
mother/father. . .
in other areas of the world. . .parents consider it an honor. . .here it's made into and of some cultish apptitude / attitude

[roage]

Grail? Grail law? love of all humanity.. .connecting the dots in the spiritual world. . .but at the close of. ..it always leads you to your own
mother/father. . .
in other areas of the world. . .parents consider it an honor. . .here it's made into and of some cultish apptitude / attitude

"here"? Please, What are you talking about exactly?

[gooseone]

Yes, please eleborate.
If you have a view which fundamentally differs from what's being said in this topic and drives you to post a reply, it's only fair to explain further.
Unfortunately people are not yet able te draw to right conclusions when confronted whit hints.

[curly]

Ive been looking at your vids and reading a few bits and bobs for a couple of nights now roage,thank's very much,and i'm finding it very exciting,everything else seems to be taking a back seat now.Let you know how i get on,I've been getting into dowsing lately as a means to contact the truth or find things out,it seems a bit irrelevant now do you think stuff like that is a waste of time?

[gooseone]

I've been wondering lately, i have come to my conclusion that there is a desire in people to have irrefutable evidence presented to them in a way the logical mind is able to make sense of it before accepting most things that are thrown at them. Even then it's still up to the value that others give this, which defines what value is has for them. Perfectly logical ;). This leeds me in my personal believe to conclude there might be a problem in the way we interpretate matters at hand.For example, we can have a common concensus that the ancient Egyptians were probably a "high society", but we tend to do away with their belief systems as "myths" because we are not able to percieve the world as they did. Usually we tend to think we know better these days. Even great theories, (some of which might be spread on these forums) that take into account we know less then they did have a tendency to completely miss this point. Not even speaking about the hypotheses how they build the pyramids using our own intellegence as a measure of how they could be "logically" be able to do build these structures.
I recently watched respected theoretical physicist Michio Kaku where he was theorizing about future civilisation and although he does not think we are overly intelligent and still have a long way to go, his ideas of how we will develop seem to be lineairly expantional. Not taking into account totally different way's of perception. Through my experience and intuition (although i'm still very much lacking in the developing of this intuition ) i can for myself fathom the ideas of Higher selves, Oneness, Intelligent design with a combination of evolution and such concepts. I have come to this because i tend to have a natural desire to wonder about these things ( and i think every person in his lifetime has at some point wondered why they were here which leeds me to the conclusion this is not a coincidence). I also am aware that although there is more then meets the eye, i am still percieving a dualistic world and if i had everything figured out in this world, there wouldn't be a reason for my exinstence in this world of perception and i wouldn't be typing this. This dualistic perception goes so far that i also seem to have this urge for irrifutable evidence although my intuition often goes against it (luckily), it is also my intuition which makes me not give any responsibility away to any "Higher Selve" i might have or any other "Supreme state of being" because that would go against the nature of experiencing things for myself. If i am honest it might even be a little bit of fear for the mis use of my trust by things i don't know about .Fortunately i'm not a big fan of fear so i'll stick with intuition. I am convinced life is a sort of trick into fooling us of our real surroundings ( Best trick anyone could ever pull actually :D) And if that's the case who's to say that if there are higher levels of conciousness, the same trick isn't pulled on them ? This leaves me in a place where i know there is more to find out and the purpose is to do find it out eventually, but i get the feeling the position i am in atm is not exactly acting as a great catalyst.(society). I have already experienced that free will is not to be easily messed with and i wouldn't want to do it that way. I also don't really have the desire to make people see things my way. But as i said i don't like to give responsibility out of my hands , and i cannot convince myself i have enough mind powers to do much that way, i also don't want to wait around and see if this 2012 thing will do it for me. So maybe it is time for me to take matters into my own hand and start to (cunningly :D)create a better environment for myself........


any thoughts ? , thx in advance :)

[nectars]

Ive been looking at your vids and reading a few bits and bobs for a couple of nights now roage,thank's very much,and i'm finding it very exciting,everything else seems to be taking a back seat now.Let you know how i get on,I've been getting into dowsing lately as a means to contact the truth or find things out,it seems a bit irrelevant now do you think stuff like that is a waste of time?

I'm currently only getting back into this material myself due to personal reasons and I'm sure roage will anwser, but I'll chip in my 2c anyway.

It would be more advantageous to learn "Applied Kinesiology" aka "Muscle Testing". In using a pendulum the answers you recieve are filtered through the subconsious which means they can give inaccurate answers when dealing with absolute Truth or be infuenced by "outside sources". Muscle testing on the ther hand deals directly with the Self, or said another way, it deals with the "Truth vs Falsehood" of the Supreme Authority roage refers to.

I'll see if I can look out basic guidelines on its use by David R.Hawkins as there are certain requirements which still have to be met to ensure accuracy.

Hope this helps.

[gooseone]

Hmmmm wait a minute....
In retrospect , i think i just developed my own grail law.

In a sense my previous post let's my ego have it's way so that i don't have to deal with it so much and the goal which is sets, forfilles my natural urges and my intuition seems to be fine with it too ! :)

[curly]

I'm currently only getting back into this material myself due to personal reasons and I'm sure roage will anwser, but I'll chip in my 2c anyway.

It would be more advantageous to learn "Applied Kinesiology" aka "Muscle Testing". In using a pendulum the answers you recieve are filtered through the subconsious which means they can give inaccurate answers when dealing with absolute Truth or be infuenced by "outside sources". Muscle testing on the ther hand deals directly with the Self, or said another way, it deals with the "Truth vs Falsehood" of the Supreme Authority roage refers to.

I'll see if I can look out basic guidelines on its use by David R.Hawkins as there are certain requirements which still have to be met to ensure accuracy.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,makes sense to me,it would be interesting to have a go at it.

[roage]

Ive been looking at your vids and reading a few bits and bobs for a couple of nights now roage,thank's very much,and i'm finding it very exciting,everything else seems to be taking a back seat now.Let you know how i get on,I've been getting into dowsing lately as a means to contact the truth or find things out,it seems a bit irrelevant now do you think stuff like that is a waste of time?

There are a myriad of ways to communicate with the truth and it is a personal choice. As long as you know you are dealing with the Supreme Authority and you trust the Supreme Authority then you will be fine. I tend to simply trust the Supreme Authority and do what comes natural because, after all, the Supreme Authority is powerful enough to control what I think to do next. :D

That is when it becomes fun!

[roage]

I'm currently only getting back into this material myself due to personal reasons and I'm sure roage will anwser, but I'll chip in my 2c anyway.

It would be more advantageous to learn "Applied Kinesiology" aka "Muscle Testing". In using a pendulum the answers you recieve are filtered through the subconsious which means they can give inaccurate answers when dealing with absolute Truth or be infuenced by "outside sources". Muscle testing on the ther hand deals directly with the Self, or said another way, it deals with the "Truth vs Falsehood" of the Supreme Authority roage refers to.

I'll see if I can look out basic guidelines on its use by David R.Hawkins as there are certain requirements which still have to be met to ensure accuracy.

Hope this helps. That's funny I was going to suggest muscle testing but I did not want to prejudice the choices. I think the key is what you are comfortable with and what works for you. Don't you think?

[roage]

Hmmmm wait a minute....
In retrospect , i think i just developed my own grail law.

In a sense my previous post let's my ego have it's way so that i don't have to deal with it so much and the goal which is sets, forfilles my natural urges and my intuition seems to be fine with it too ! :)

Well I did want to add that the primary thing that gets things rolling is unconditional trust. How that is established is that one must trust without getting a peek at the outcome and know that whatever the Supreme Authority does that one has nothing to worry about. That is trust. In each case I have found that most are given this conundrum and it becomes an important feature of their ego control process.

Ultimately what you speak of is trust that even if what comes to mind is ego driven that nothing bad can happen and it is accepted as part of the essential learning process so either way the threshold is breached.

[ahakeleuthos1]

That's funny I was going to suggest muscle testing but I did not want to prejudice the choices. I think the key is what you are comfortable with and what works for you. Don't you think?

Would that be why everything Goose has saidin the last couple post,it all made complete sense to me. and why I can't seem to get this silly grin off....:)

[roage]

Would that be why everything Goose has saidin the last couple post,it all made complete sense to me. and why I can't seem to get this silly grin off....:)

Goose is breakin' out a new door right here in front of everyone!

I am feeling some serious energy expenditure again!

[nectars]

That's funny I was going to suggest muscle testing but I did not want to prejudice the choices. I think the key is what you are comfortable with and what works for you. Don't you think?

Without a doubt. I only can only go by experience which thusf ar has leaned far in favour of MT > Pendulum work. That being said, I'm sure I can recall coming across supposed methods of safeguarding pendulum work.

[grannymoose]

Hmmmm wait a minute....
In retrospect , i think i just developed my own grail law.

In a sense my previous post let's my ego have it's way so that i don't have to deal with it so much and the goal which is sets, forfilles my natural urges and my intuition seems to be fine with it too ! :)

Imagine you are fishing. The Drag is set. Every now and then the hooked must have enough freedom to race back into the swim, with it thinking it has once again won the upper hand. Little does it know it has been given the power to run without the knowledge ,that in the end, it will be it's downfall as it's energy depletes.

The Fish being the Ego.
Let your Ego dream and fill your imagination with self explanations, It's greatest trick is misdirection.
In the end the truth you seek will be all that is left.

[roage]

Imagine you are fishing. The Drag is set. Every now and then the hooked must have enough freedom to race back into the swim, with it thinking it has once again won the upper hand. Little does it know it has been given the power to run without the knowledge ,that in the end, it will be it's downfall as it's energy depletes.

The Fish being the Ego.
Let your Ego dream and fill your imagination with self explanations, It's greatest trick is misdirection.
In the end the truth you seek will be all that is left.

I sure I am not alone in noticing that you are not even the same being you were a couple of months ago. I sure it would freak people out to compare and contrast the differences on this very thread!

Awesome analogy!

[gooseone]

I can agree i have some trust issues, and it definetely seems to drain a lot of energy.
Thanks for the feedback people, although i'd rather experience insights instead of taking them in externally, it helps in the knowing when i stray of a productive path.

About the muscle testing/drowsing concept, isn't that likely to be highly susceptible to the thinking minds ability to come up with the right questions ?

[roage]

I can agree i have some trust issues, and it definetely seems to drain a lot of energy.
Thanks for the feedback people, although i'd rather experience insights instead of taking them in externally, it helps in the knowing when i stray of a productive path.

About the muscle testing/drowsing concept, isn't that likely to be highly susceptible to the thinking minds ability to come up with the right questions ?

Trust ensures that only the prescribed questions come to mind.

[roage]

I published a new article:

Law of Distraction (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=190)

Tear it up! :D

[gooseone]

It's a good rant :D

The simple concept of "Absolute power absolutely corrupts" was, for me anyway, already very easy to imply on "the Secret".

I haven't read that many books but aside from my school years, a book about
the Secret is the only one i couldn't finish :D

(on a side note: How's the home situation coming along Roage ?)

[roage]

It's a good rant :D

The simple concept of "Absolute power absolutely corrupts" was, for me anyway, already very easy to imply on "the Secret".

I haven't read that many books but aside from my school years, a book about
the Secret is the only one i couldn't finish :D

(on a side note: How's the home situation coming along Roage ?)

"Apparently" I am where I need to be. Things are quickly drawing down but we are not dead yet and while I still breath it will be a meaningful and rewarding experience.

Still no means of support has manifest itself but I am fielding more and more calls. The material is slowly growing but it is far from viral.

Whatever happens, it will be interesting. My wife says she is ok with the homeless shelter. She is such a trooper!

:D

[gooseone]

That's a good thing.

I also felt the urge lately to write some stuff down, i wondered if i could write a book but that hasn't succeeded. It's in dutch so it would probably not interest you very much.
The funny thing is that it seems to have quite the effect on my friends, i only let them read it to get some feedback if it would be remotely readable.

I'm beginning to have a quite weird insight into my life.
From a young age on , i used to have a lot of nightmares where i couldn't keep myself from going straight to where the scary monsters were....this was a daily occurence for years at the age of 5-7 or so.
I also had some weird stuff happen to me in those days in the sense of a haunted house or something and although i probably was not the cause of the weird fenomena , looking back it seemed to have stopped as soon as i realized that there was more then people could easily observe.
Then i had a period of utter enragement , but everytime it would come to a point i would do harm to anyone i just couldn't do anything..this has gone on quite some time.
The funny thing about this , before that , untill the age of 11 i got bullied a lot and consequently kicked the shit out of everyone that would bullie me.
A lot of kids feared me in those days :(
When i started to grow into my adolescence, i had a couple of nice girlfriends
and enjoyed the usual good stuff and some drama to.
After that period i never experienced much of a drive to be in a relationship
with the opposite sex or to conquer as much females as possible as my friends seem to do.
I've had my booze day's back in the day and although i 've been completely wasted at times , for the most part i just get stuck in a body with a lack of motoring skills while being fairly clear minded.
Also my whole life untill the age of 16 everyone that was in control of my environment (parents etc) had the tendency to screw up badly which led to the fact that i have had a lot of different homes, which naturally didn't sit with me in a right way.
Ever since my 16 th i have been working almost every day and it has always felt like a must from which i could not find a way out. The frustration with this concept has always given me a feeling of not being in control of my life. And this frustration endures untill this day.
I also don't seem to enjoy the usual things that do it for other people as much...i've always been seen as a bit weird by my environment because of that.
I'm starting to get the profound realisation that i never have been leading my life but it has been leading me....very weird feeling.
The conclusion that i seem to have a trust issue and taking Roage his home issue as an example leads me to the conclusion that deep inside i kind of want to hold on to the material life i have accuired untill now.

I guess it's time to stop caring for the responsibilities society has forced upon me and put a little more trust in myself to lead to the right path, i'm starting to find out that although i am not in control of things that will happen i am very much in control as to how i will respond to it.

[roage]

That's a good thing.

I also felt the urge lately to write some stuff down, i wondered if i could write a book but that hasn't succeeded. It's in dutch so it would probably not interest you very much.
The funny thing is that it seems to have quite the effect on my friends, i only let them read it to get some feedback if it would be remotely readable.

I'm beginning to have a quite weird insight into my life.
From a young age on , i used to have a lot of nightmares where i couldn't keep myself from going straight to where the scary monsters were....this was a daily occurence for years at the age of 5-7 or so.
I also had some weird stuff happen to me in those days in the sense of a haunted house or something and although i probably was not the cause of the weird fenomena , looking back it seemed to have stopped as soon as i realized that there was more then people could easily observe.
Then i had a period of utter enragement , but everytime it would come to a point i would do harm to anyone i just couldn't do anything..this has gone on quite some time.
The funny thing about this , before that , untill the age of 11 i got bullied a lot and consequently kicked the shit out of everyone that would bullie me.
A lot of kids feared me in those days :(
When i started to grow into my adolescence, i had a couple of nice girlfriends
and enjoyed the usual good stuff and some drama to.
After that period i never experienced much of a drive to be in a relationship
with the opposite sex or to conquer as much females as possible as my friends seem to do.
I've had my booze day's back in the day and although i 've been completely wasted at times , for the most part i just get stuck in a body with a lack of motoring skills while being fairly clear minded.
Also my whole life untill the age of 16 everyone that was in control of my environment (parents etc) had the tendency to screw up badly which led to the fact that i have had a lot of different homes, which naturally didn't sit with me in a right way.
Ever since my 16 th i have been working almost every day and it has always felt like a must from which i could not find a way out. The frustration with this concept has always given me a feeling of not being in control of my life. And this frustration endures untill this day.
I also don't seem to enjoy the usual things that do it for other people as much...i've always been seen as a bit weird by my environment because of that.
I'm starting to get the profound realisation that i never have been leading my life but it has been leading me....very weird feeling.
The conclusion that i seem to have a trust issue and taking Roage his home issue as an example leads me to the conclusion that deep inside i kind of want to hold on to the material life i have accuired untill now.

I guess it's time to stop caring for the responsibilities society has forced upon me and put a little more trust in myself to lead to the right path, i'm starting to find out that although i am not in control of things that will happen i am very much in control as to how i will respond to it.

Except for the dates and times we could be twins. Except in my enragement period I hurt people psychologically or helped them hurt themselves. Then like a gutless punk I could conveniently absolve myself of any responsibility.

I realized I had absolutely no control of my life on the evening of July 3rd, 2006 when I was alone walking my dog who I love very much.

My life has been a series of painful battering lessons over-and-over that ultimately I had been tricked into and was completely to blame. There was no escaping my culpability even though I had become very good at forgetting and lying to myself for so long I believed the lies.

Then I realized this piece of shit character that caused my problems was not truly me.

I then allowed the Holy Spirit to kick the living shit out of that scumbag and now at least I have peace and I will have peace when I starve and die.

I am so glad I figured it out before I died this time because now I can quit this painful revolving door game, once and for all, and go home.

I am quickly coming to the end of it. Aparantly there is not much left for me to do.

I hold no grudge or animosity and I feel deeply loved that I had an such a wonderful and challenging opportunity to be that which I was and am now.

"All things that have a beginning, have an end..."

Love,
Roage

[gooseone]

Amazing !

Maybe there is one factor to take in account, namely it might as well be that the people surrounding you might have something to learn from you.
A friend of mine is coming into his own , he mentioned that it could be no coincidence we met, seeing how we always generate a lot of feedback.
I got very happy from his observations :)
I started to wonder why i never had much clear astral projection kind of things happen to me, and actually when meditating i sometimes tried to visualize some more. Then it hit me that i'm kind of obsessive and therefore if i could experience such things it would be yet another distraction for me to keep me from going further along my yourney.
Seeing it this way , it might as well be as bold as to suggest that great meditation guru's and some buddhists are no more than simple addicts :eek:
Or like how neuroscientists trie to explain conciousness in the brain , they are as far as to pinpoint the stimulations these days but they can't find the part which goes "Hey i'm experiencing pain", while i can go like " Hey i'm observing something that seems to undergo a pain experience". However the concious observer doesn't really think , it observes and knows.
It's like when you realize something , the realisation isn't a thinking process it's a feeling which provokes insightfull thoughts.
I feel i hadn't a much productive holiday this year, only to go to work again and within a week i caught a cold which made me realize a couple of these things. I cannot seem to conclude any other thing then that it's a good thing i can't motivate myself very much to believe it is neccesary to go to work and thereby get distracted because the thinking mind tries to take over with
a bombardment of not very constructive things to keep occupied with.

Good times...:D , much love to you all too !

[roage]

Amazing !
I started to wonder why i never had much clear astral projection kind of things happen to me, and actually when meditating i sometimes tried to visualize some more. Then it hit me that i'm kind of obsessive and therefore if i could experience such things it would be yet another distraction for me to keep me from going further along my yourney.
Seeing it this way , it might as well be as bold as to suggest that great meditation guru's and some buddhists are no more than simple addicts :eek:
Or like how neuroscientists trie to explain conciousness in the brain...

This is exactly how I see it. Ah the life of a monk to sit, pray, meditate, and kung fu all day. Looks like a trap to me.

[gooseone]

This does however gives me the freedom to visualize how i would like to see things a little bit better.

Imagine if it were a common goal people try to percieve reality in a different way, and try to communicate without words and put more value into thoughts and feelings, and along the way try to make a material surrounding which is just plain enjoyable :).

Needless to say a whole lot of problems would automatically dissapear :D.
Nowhere the need for institutions but instead groups of people comming together for feedback and no emphasis on electronic means of communication because they can't bring over feelings .......

[roage]

This does however gives me the freedom to visualize how i would like to see things a little bit better.

Imagine if it were a common goal people try to percieve reality in a different way, and try to communicate without words and put more value into thoughts and feelings, and along the way try to make a material surrounding which is just plain enjoyable :).

Needless to say a whole lot of problems would automatically dissapear :D.
Nowhere the need for institutions but instead groups of people comming together for feedback and no emphasis on electronic means of communication because they can't bring over feelings .......

You have completely described my vision and my function! :eek:

[gooseone]

It seems it's no coincidence people always come up with the same things :).
Maybe that's why philosophy isn't that popular nowadays...no money to be made because one can't patent thoughts.

[roage]

Hi Folks,

This one is new and may get some of you to a new place.

Achieving Unconditional Trust (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=191)

Tear it up.

[gooseone]

It's a good one.

I have had many situations already whereby i had to overcome serious anxiety
for action to be taken on the basis of "gut-feelings" , those were some great lessons.

Funny btw how when i first come into this topic i didn't resonate with the basic concepts of the Grail, but lookin now i can see it more as a matter interpretation

That still can be a problem i think , for people resonating with a lot on your site to give trust to go into an agreement without being fully aware.
However , the info on your site might also make people realise a thing or two which in the end could have the same outcome :)

[roage]

It's a good one.

I have had many situations already whereby i had to overcome serious anxiety
for action to be taken on the basis of "gut-feelings" , those were some great lessons.

Funny btw how when i first come into this topic i didn't resonate with the basic concepts of the Grail, but lookin now i can see it more as a matter interpretation

That still can be a problem i think , for people resonating with a lot on your site to give trust to go into an agreement without being fully aware.
However , the info on your site might also make people realise a thing or two which in the end could have the same outcome :)

You know I am comfortable that people will come to it the common understand the way it was intended.

Many do not realize that it is in their desire to seek out this thing man calls "God" that forever dominates their experience. We don't want to admit it but there will be a time when we realize that when we say "show me" then our lives bring about an evolutionary change in us and something drags us kicking and screaming to a place where we come face to face with something wonderful.

I chuckle when people who get pretty deep in the material and announce: "nothing new here" and do not realize that ego is not the part of them that is getting the information. Eventually the material sets of small compounding events in their experience that hasten their journey in ways that ego tries so desperately to conceal. The time have come for a change and ego is no longer given power to delay this change. It is coming one awakened individual at a time and the end will truly be awesome.

It starts like a self-replicating nano-particle that slowly reproduces and begins geometrically replacing the old reality. At first we don't notice it but then in one grand serendipitous moment we realize that it looks like we missed our stop and we are in an completely different town.

Then we realize that there was no stopping it in the first place and the old rules do not work any more.

I know this so they know this and when we come to a point where they truly understand my perspective the only way that can be done is if their perception to have been completely modified.

I laugh when they think they have the power to escape the reality that is rushing toward them like a planetoid. When it hits they are blown away!

But we are just one being, one mind, one ego and one self so who else really needs to be convinced? Does it really matter if they refuse to accept it?

We are going "down town" folks and we are all on this bus together. There is no jumping off now.

[gooseone]

Amen !

[particlepopup]

We are going "down town" folks and we are all on this bus together. There is no jumping off now.

Reminds me of polar express "tickets please" funny thing is we dont even realize we have one when all the while we just need to reach into the pocket of inner wisdom and bingo we pull out a plum.

[roage]

We are going "down town" folks and we are all on this bus together. There is no jumping off now.

Reminds me of polar express "tickets please" funny thing is we dont even realize we have one when all the while we just need to reach into the pocket of inner wisdom and bingo we pull out a plum. I only saw parts of that one. It was creepy to me.

[gooseone]

Funny thing happened yesterday.
I never had much lucid dreams (apart from a few in which i would instantly take flight when i was little :D)
But i went to sleep yesterday and thought: "Well , if i am aware that i am a concious observer it should be the same in my dreams"

So i was dreaming , and i was in my house looking in the mirror and something was wrong with my hair....i seemed to have al sort of patches shaved and i was wondering why...at that point i got another mirror to look at the back of my head where i found also weird patches.....only to look at my face and noticing i was another person !..... And i thought: "YES ! I'm dreaming !"
I jumped up and down from excitement , and decided "I'm gonna experience me some fine Oneness ! :cool:"
So i closed my eyes , spread my arms en took a backwards dive only to wake up , thinking "Hej that's not fair" :o
It was quite weird ......also at some point something was said by which i thought to myself "I have to remember this when i wake up in the morning , could be important"
It had to do with time and how we should not tell time based on the hour and half hour or something, and start making appointments at times like 8.19 or 12.51 to make people aware of our distorted perception of time....shame it isn't that clear anymore. I will however make appointments this way...great to screw around with people :D
I guess my mindset is changing a bit, although it is always hard to keep it up when i go to work.....maybe something will present itself, if not i will just quit in the near future and take it from there.
It's very hard to keep a positive future for mankind in mind when a coworker comes out of nowhere and starts to show porn on his mobile phone :(

[roage]

Funny thing happened yesterday.
I never had much lucid dreams (apart from a few in which i would instantly take flight when i was little :D)
But i went to sleep yesterday and thought: "Well , if i am aware that i am a concious observer it should be the same in my dreams"

One of the important things we need to realize is that when we are awake we are lucid dreaming...

half hour or something, and start making appointments at times like 8.19 or 12.51 to make people aware of our distorted perception of time....shame it isn't that clear anymore. I will however make appointments this way...great to screw around with people :D


Good plan!


It's very hard to keep a positive future for mankind in mind when a coworker comes out of nowhere and starts to show porn on his mobile phone :(

You took it the wrong way. You should have enthusiastically watched and asked if he would like to be in porn films. Then really probe his mind and ask questions, intimate questions about his porn viewing habits, not the content but how much he enjoys it and how it is such a vital and necessary part of his experience. :D

[darkrue]

Hi Folks,

This one is new and may get some of you to a new place.

Achieving Unconditional Trust (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=191)

Tear it up.

Hi Roage, I have not participated in this thread yet, but I've definately been consuming all of the information up to this point. A lot of wisdom there.

I wanted to say that I've experienced this particular situation regarding trust and being faced with difficult choices. I was presented with a choice many years ago, and went ahead and ignored it because I was too afraid to make the move. The choice was presented to me again a few years later, and that time there were more signs leading my ego to go through with the change. I pushed through my fear and made the decision to follow through this change. On a deep level, I knew it would be a painful decision which would effect many people, and it did. I am still reeling with the suffering because of this decision, even though I feel that I made the right decision. My ego is still constantly trying to fight me on it, by inducing a lot of shame and guilt. I'm still trying to come to terms with it, and I'm hoping that I do sometime soon.

I know that I gave up on trust when the after effects of my decision actually caused a lot of suffering (even though deep down, I was expecting it, just not quite to the extent that it did), in turn, causing me to question myself, the universe, and everything else. Thank you for the reminder. Sometimes the answers are so simple, yet the ego continues to muddy the waters. I am certainly open to any comments you may have. :)

[roage]

Hi Roage, I have not participated in this thread yet, but I've definately been consuming all of the information up to this point. A lot of wisdom there.

I wanted to say that I've experienced this particular situation regarding trust and being faced with difficult choices. I was presented with a choice many years ago, and went ahead and ignored it because I was too afraid to make the move. The choice was presented to me again a few years later, and that time there were more signs leading my ego to go through with the change. I pushed through my fear and made the decision to follow through this change. On a deep level, I knew it would be a painful decision which would effect many people, and it did. I am still reeling with the suffering because of this decision, even though I feel that I made the right decision. My ego is still constantly trying to fight me on it, by inducing a lot of shame and guilt. I'm still trying to come to terms with it, and I'm hoping that I do sometime soon.

I know that I gave up on trust when the after effects of my decision actually caused a lot of suffering (even though deep down, I was expecting it, just not quite to the extent that it did), in turn, causing me to question myself, the universe, and everything else. Thank you for the reminder. Sometimes the answers are so simple, yet the ego continues to muddy the waters. I am certainly open to any comments you may have. :)

Welcome Aboard!

You are in a unique place there are many special people that frequent this thread. They are advanced enough to repel negativity and ensure that you are treated with the respect you deserve. It is all good. All of it!

I would suggest going through the presentation and the fast track material (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=165).

I think there are more than one on this thread who would suggest that it is well worth the time.

I believe what you experienced was an ego lesson and not a gateway test exactly as the effects was of the uncomfortable sort. Ego lessons are negatively expressed for the positive benefit of the observer. (You burn your hand learning not to put your hand on the stove etc.)

Typically, trust lessons are all negative. With one exception, if we trust anything but the Supreme Authority then it will turn out bad for us. That is a lesson on where we should be placing our trust. Our typical reaction when we have been burned, so many times it is not funny, is to not trust anything, most especially, something our senses are not permitted to expose to us tangibly in our normal perceptual paradigm.

The pain of the experience is required to provide the value of the lesson. We tend to run away from the "error" portion of the "trial and error" process and this removes our ability to grow from negative experience.

Embrace your fear and you will grow. Go where others fear to tread etc.

Watch my presentation and read the material. The more time you spend on the site and even on this thread the more reality will begin to expose its systematic and logical underpinnings.

ASK QUESTIONS!
READ OUT LOUD!

Apparently, I cannot express that enough. I am finding more and more that people no longer seem comfortable asking questions. I get a short story explaining their situation and I am left to extract the question myself. That is not efficient. I can do this but the SA simply says "interesting story but was there something you needed?" If we learn this skill then those questions can be posed directly to the thing that runs the place and our lessons will not be nearly as stressful.

You cannot be hurt by asking a question unless you allow your ego to hurt you because it does not want you to learn how to turn him down.

Cheers,
Roage

[gooseone]

Hi Roage, I have not participated in this thread yet, but I've definately been consuming all of the information up to this point. A lot of wisdom there.

I wanted to say that I've experienced this particular situation regarding trust and being faced with difficult choices. I was presented with a choice many years ago, and went ahead and ignored it because I was too afraid to make the move. The choice was presented to me again a few years later, and that time there were more signs leading my ego to go through with the change. I pushed through my fear and made the decision to follow through this change. On a deep level, I knew it would be a painful decision which would effect many people, and it did. I am still reeling with the suffering because of this decision, even though I feel that I made the right decision. My ego is still constantly trying to fight me on it, by inducing a lot of shame and guilt. I'm still trying to come to terms with it, and I'm hoping that I do sometime soon.

I know that I gave up on trust when the after effects of my decision actually caused a lot of suffering (even though deep down, I was expecting it, just not quite to the extent that it did), in turn, causing me to question myself, the universe, and everything else. Thank you for the reminder. Sometimes the answers are so simple, yet the ego continues to muddy the waters. I am certainly open to any comments you may have. :)

If anything , you've learned a very valuable lesson !
I cannot imagine your sense of perception but atleast you know you can handle the consequences however bad they may have been.
In doing that, you demonstrated you are very aware of the lesson there is to be learned, that's something to be very content with !
I mean ...how many people are continously being presented with the same thing and not learning anything.
All the best to you in dealing with the effects of your decision :)

[roage]

New Journal Entry.

This is more on my assault against the Law of Attraction:

Attracting Slavery (http://www.roage.com/short.asp?ShortID=69)

The more I think about it the more brilliant a scam it becomes and the insidious it is in its effect.

[gooseone]

I just glanced at the article but i totally disagree.
I have gotten some inspiration by the Law of One and Hidden Hand dialoques, and the thing i could agree with is the division into "Service to self" and Service to others".
Although the concept is (as usual) to concrete to go along with completely , the "Service to self" path seems like a good explanations as to why Karma doesn't seem to apply to the ones who get away with things others will face certain consequenses from.
If one is here in the game to go the complete Ego path (choosing this path to learn the "Service to self" way before entering the game, you get these type of personalities......their whole path seems to be paved to takie that road.
Nevertheless , it doesn't hurt to make people aware of these persons.
And although i don't like to label myself as any better then any other, the people who seem to have figured certain things out won't fall for that kind of thing. Be wary of being to "anti" against certain things i would say

[roage]

I just glanced at the article but i totally disagree.


After reading what you said it seems you don't "totally" disagree.

Gooseone I have no problems with being in service to others. That is not the issue

The issue is not what the Law of Attraction is it is in its application.

It is like anything else one can use a chainsaw to be productive. It can also be very destructive. Much of what I have learned from the DVDs tapes and books simply hands you a chainsaw and says "here this is all you need"!

This nonsense as a means to attract "wealth" is a trap. "wealth" is not defined by how much you possess because you cannot lawfully own property if colorable money was used in its procurement. And it is not how much money you have because colorable money is a worthless contract to slavery.

Not Oprah, Deepak, Joe Vitally or anyone else I have viewed read or reviewed caution anyone on the dangers of engaging in commerce. That is a crime and that is a trap.

I am not going to support any tool used to specifically enslave, trap and render one without rights and without liberty.

When I hear these same people teaching why we suffer and truly how to fix it beyond a band-aid soaked in vitriol then I am all ears. Until then we will disagree.

We have another trap here in US known the UCC-1 filing. It is the same nonsense. People think they are gaining their freedom but what they are doing is placing themselves, once again, much more deeply under the jurisdiction of a fictional system that does not possess the power to enslave let alone free them.

These people then end up in jail and do not know why.

Same with people who discover some sort of remedy in a body of law. Many here wave around the Constitution of the united States (capitalization correct) and mistakenly think that is what is protecting their rights when that document was designed specifically to deprive them of rights.

Gooseone I know these BS tricks serve a purpose but I try to expose them as much as possible. This Law of Attraction is dangeorus not because it does not work but because it is being wrapped around a steel trap and the happless are falling for it all over again.

Do they deserve it? Yes, but that does not mean I will waive my duty to notify as I must comport myself conscieinsiously. I wish Deepak and Oprah would do the same but I believe that would be asking to much from these people. They both have way too much to lose and I know they would never do so as a simple life is great for the rabble.

Hmmm, Chopra Oprah fun how they sound so simular.

Both are trying lead us to "colorable financial freedom" and a state of government regulated "bliss".

[gooseone]

I find that a noble cause and i would act the same if i saw the oppertunity present itself.
I just felt the need to point out that it is my view that there are people who can have the same revelations as to become more aware and decide to choose the opposite path willingly and in full control.
As much as i don't like to give them acknowledgement it might be something to take into account every now and then.

:)

[roage]

I find that a noble cause and i would act the same if i saw the oppertunity present itself.
I just felt the need to point out that it is my view that there are people who can have the same revelations as to become more aware and decide to choose the opposite path willingly and in full control.
As much as i don't like to give them acknowledgement it might be something to take into account every now and then.

:)

Sustained :)

[darkrue]

Welcome Aboard!

You are in a unique place there are many special people that frequent this thread. They are advanced enough to repel negativity and ensure that you are treated with the respect you deserve. It is all good. All of it!

I would suggest going through the presentation and the fast track material (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=165).

I think there are more than one on this thread who would suggest that it is well worth the time.

I believe what you experienced was an ego lesson and not a gateway test exactly as the effects was of the uncomfortable sort. Ego lessons are negatively expressed for the positive benefit of the observer. (You burn your hand learning not to put your hand on the stove etc.)

Typically, trust lessons are all negative. With one exception, if we trust anything but the Supreme Authority then it will turn out bad for us. That is a lesson on where we should be placing our trust. Our typical reaction when we have been burned, so many times it is not funny, is to not trust anything, most especially, something our senses are not permitted to expose to us tangibly in our normal perceptual paradigm.

The pain of the experience is required to provide the value of the lesson. We tend to run away from the "error" portion of the "trial and error" process and this removes our ability to grow from negative experience.

Embrace your fear and you will grow. Go where others fear to tread etc.

Watch my presentation and read the material. The more time you spend on the site and even on this thread the more reality will begin to expose its systematic and logical underpinnings.

ASK QUESTIONS!
READ OUT LOUD!

Apparently, I cannot express that enough. I am finding more and more that people no longer seem comfortable asking questions. I get a short story explaining their situation and I am left to extract the question myself. That is not efficient. I can do this but the SA simply says "interesting story but was there something you needed?" If we learn this skill then those questions can be posed directly to the thing that runs the place and our lessons will not be nearly as stressful.

You cannot be hurt by asking a question unless you allow your ego to hurt you because it does not want you to learn how to turn him down.

Cheers,
Roage

Thank you for the clarification. I agree that this is an ego lesson for me, though it may have seemed to me like a gateway test because of the life changes it caused. I understand now. I'm sure I'm not ready for a gateway test yet, as I still have a lot of work to do on myself.

This brings me to a question I have about contracts. Would a baptisms, and/or initiations be considered these same contracts that you speak of? If not, I'm wondering if those who make these other types of contracts in ignorance (very young) or for ego reasons (with the promise of spiritual growth), I'm sure with all intents and purposes being good, but not realizing what they were. Am I mistaken in reading that it is possible that these contracts are null and void because they were not made under the correct pretense...meaning between yourself and god only, with no one else mediating?

[darkrue]

If anything , you've learned a very valuable lesson !
I cannot imagine your sense of perception but atleast you know you can handle the consequences however bad they may have been.
In doing that, you demonstrated you are very aware of the lesson there is to be learned, that's something to be very content with !
I mean ...how many people are continously being presented with the same thing and not learning anything.
All the best to you in dealing with the effects of your decision :)

Ah gee, thanks for that :) That encouragement is so nice to hear!

[gooseone]

I don't know how Roage's opinion is on the interpretation of the term contract.
But i do know that the only contract (besides the legal ones...you can look at the "Freeman on the land" topcis for that) one can get into is one which is made fully aware , therefore every earlier "contract" prior to the awareness doesn't hold value.
If there's one thing i have a problem with about the Grail, it is the contract idea.
However , it seems when searching for certain things, one is automatically "Asking for the truth" and at a point "it is given" and after that there seem to be "Laws" at work :). It is however in my viewpoint very much open for interpretation.

[darkrue]

I don't know how Roage's opinion is on the interpretation of the term contract.
But i do know that the only contract (besides the legal ones...you can look at the "Freeman on the land" topcis for that) one can get into is one which is made fully aware , therefore every earlier "contract" prior to the awareness doesn't hold value.
If there's one thing i have a problem with about the Grail, it is the contract idea.
However , it seems when searching for certain things, one is automatically "Asking for the truth" and at a point "it is given" and after that there seem to be "Laws" at work :). It is however in my viewpoint very much open for interpretation.

That makes sense, thanks :)

[roage]

This brings me to a question I have about contracts. Would a baptisms, and/or initiations be considered these same contracts that you speak of? If not, I'm wondering if those who make these other types of contracts in ignorance (very young) or for ego reasons (with the promise of spiritual growth), I'm sure with all intents and purposes being good, but not realizing what they were. Am I mistaken in reading that it is possible that these contracts are null and void because they were not made under the correct pretense...meaning between yourself and god only, with no one else mediating?

You have received the answer by yourself. Nice feature to have the law when you need it. Turn your face to the thing that runs the place and like magic it shows you the rules. :D

Nothing the Church does is "enforced by God" for a number of reasons today. In the past people understood real contracts so there were aspects that we binding.

Being religious means that you are no longer responsible for yourself (sheep versus shepherd) and therefore the Church takes responsibility for you out of the goodness of their heart. One who is not responsible cannot be held to the terms of a contract because they are incompetent.

When God grants you sovereignty then you are free and that extends to any man-made or colorable entanglement.

[darkrue]

You are to make a contract with yourself to exist without the ego.

Before you can do that, your Self demands you know how to contract and you know what you are getting yourself into.

You demand that you know the law before you will allow the contract to be enforced by you.

Left-brained language does not even work in self paradigm.

There is only one being so it does not make a lot of sense to try to describe it but I am thingking you may be able to see past the words.

I just went back and found this post and thought it may be related to my question. From my understanding now, it doesn't matter what contracts were made in the past, it is up to the individual to make the connection inward through the self to the divine, and know beyond a shadow of a doubt what it is you're agreeing to. No outer mediation required....just a lot of inward listening and an understanding of the divine law. If one didn't understand the divine law to begin with, a contract wasn't really made. Anything from that point on is simply communicating purely with one's intuition, and trusting only that which resonates with the true self. Am I correct in this thought?

[roage]

I just went back and found this post and thought it may be related to my question. From my understanding now, it doesn't matter what contracts were made in the past, it is up to the individual to make the connection inward through the self to the divine, and know beyond a shadow of a doubt what it is you're agreeing to. No outer mediation required....just a lot of inward listening and an understanding of the divine law. If one didn't understand the divine law to begin with, a contract wasn't really made. Anything from that point on is simply communicating purely with one's intuition, and trusting only that which resonates with the true self. Am I correct in this thought?

Whoa! You are definitely in the pipeline to have found that so quickly!
GOOD FOR YOU!

[darkrue]

Whoa! You are definitely in the pipeline to have found that so quickly!
GOOD FOR YOU!

Thank you for providing the mile markers :)

[roage]

Thank you for providing the mile markers :)

I am just happy to be here. I am merely the doorman whereas you are the guest.

[roage]

“Colorable money can never make one rich. Colorable law can never keep one safe. Government can never make one free.”

Roage

Quotes (http://www.roage.com/main.asp?PageID=58)

[darkrue]

I have another question. How does one begin listening to and understanding the meaning of the many "strange cooincidences" placed before them? Are they placed there merely to let you know that something (god) is aware of you, or is there more one needs to understand in order to apply the messages into one's life?

I know they are more than mere cooincidences, but that was the only word I had to describe it.

[gooseone]

Synchronisities are usally the most "concrete evidence" you will get in life

[grannymoose]

strange cooincidences are your key markers to change.

welcome to the thread darkrue.

You were born into body. Education did not educate you, it placed the thickest, heaviest pair of glasses upon your eyes.
With strange coincidences you are given a peak around the lense.
You begin to see there is somthing just not right.
Choice is to notice or ignore, there is no 'how to' you choose through knowing to seek the cause.
Choose to notice and prepare for the back stage curtains to open.
You are never alone in this illusion, only seperated in the fleash you sit in.
Carry on questioning, you have nothing to fear or loose.

[roage]

I have another question. How does one begin listening to and understanding the meaning of the many "strange cooincidences" placed before them? Are they placed there merely to let you know that something (god) is aware of you, or is there more one needs to understand in order to apply the messages into one's life?

I know they are more than mere cooincidences, but that was the only word I had to describe it.

These things have relevance to your current situation and they have meaning. It is advised that you give them the focus they deserve and attempt to divine what they mean and why they appear when they appear. You will find that this divine involvement is not distant or mysterious. It is specific, personal and has been on-going throughout your entire life experience. The only difference now is that you are paying attention and now that you are focused it will attempt to instruct you on those things you require.

You never really had the kind of control over your experience that you think you did. You never controlled things here ;)

You are about to realize just how much of JAFO you really were and are. :D

[roage]

On a lighter note here is my current Monster Cover Letter.

Dear Hiring Manager:

I was interested to see your job posting on Monster for a [job title] and would like to learn more about this opportunity.

I am very nearly destitute with extensive software and database development experience.

I feel that my motivation would be an asset in this role, otherwise, if you can at least use someone to pick up the trash around the facility or clean out the break room refrigerator then that would be OK also.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope to have the opportunity to discuss the opening with you in person.

Sincerely

Roger Pool

[gooseone]

About the subject..........
Just a couple of days i'm contemplating if i should just quit my dayjob and see where life takes me or not.
I thought it was a hard time for little independent construction workers but just in a couple of days have a substantial amount of work offered and it seems people are counting on me to do work for them in the coming months....
Also one of the few things i thouroughly enjoy is riding my bike and just today
2 different trackday organisations announced the trackday dates for this year.
These day's usually sell out quite rapidly so it's wise to book a couple if want to have some "planned fun" later in this year......

I'm struggling to understand the meaning of it......but it almost looks like a boobytrap to keep my mind occupied.....

(edit: Ow and Roage , from my experience i have learned that if one is willing to put the effort in there are always jobs to do
so it is a good thing to show you are really motivated to get some work done :))

[darkrue]

These things have relevance to your current situation and they have meaning. It is advised that you give them the focus they deserve and attempt to divine what they mean and why they appear when they appear. You will find that this divine involvement is not distant or mysterious. It is specific, personal and has been on-going throughout your entire life experience. The only difference now is that you are paying attention and now that you are focused it will attempt to instruct you on those things you require.

You never really had the kind of control over your experience that you think you did. You never controlled things here ;)

You are about to realize just how much of JAFO you really were and are. :D

So in that sense, I really have no reason to heed to the shame that my ego presents, because I was put in this place for a reason. I can only take responsibility at this point for those things I would knowingly and purposefully do that would be harmful to others. Would that mean I have no reason in feeling shame for following my instincts because the pain it may have caused others is really their lesson, not necessarily *my* doing, but the divine's? I soooo feel bad for hurting people, but by the same token, it is not really my place to worry about their path. Is that right?

And what's JAFO? :o

Sorry for so many questions! I'm just trying to work some things out :)

[gooseone]

I would say you almost never get a "get out of jail" freecard and shouldn't think anyone is per se learning a lesson from your doings. They can only grab that concept for theirself.

Although everything happens for a reasons , the way you act to situations through emotions should not be taking too lightly i think , lessons would be too easy that way :D

[roage]

So in that sense, I really have no reason to heed to the shame that my ego presents, because I was put in this place for a reason. I can only take responsibility at this point for those things I would knowingly and purposefully do that would be harmful to others. Would that mean I have no reason in feeling shame for following my instincts because the pain it may have caused others is really their lesson, not necessarily *my* doing, but the divine's? I soooo feel bad for hurting people, but by the same token, it is not really my place to worry about their path. Is that right?

And what's JAFO? :o

Sorry for so many questions! I'm just trying to work some things out :)

The forgiveness of past infractions is granted under the principle that it was a lesson learned. In this was forgiveness is only truly available after repentance is granted. You cannot even realize forgiveness until you feel bad for doing it. We are responsible and there are consequences that we do not want revisited on us. I believe you have navigated this nuance. Just because you are forgiven does not give you a free pass to trample people.

JAFO stands for Just Another F__ing Observer
;)

[roage]

About the subject..........
Just a couple of days i'm contemplating if i should just quit my dayjob and see where life takes me or not.
I thought it was a hard time for little independent construction workers but just in a couple of days have a substantial amount of work offered and it seems people are counting on me to do work for them in the coming months....
Also one of the few things i thouroughly enjoy is riding my bike and just today
2 different trackday organisations announced the trackday dates for this year.
These day's usually sell out quite rapidly so it's wise to book a couple if want to have some "planned fun" later in this year......

I'm struggling to understand the meaning of it......but it almost looks like a boobytrap to keep my mind occupied.....

(edit: Ow and Roage , from my experience i have learned that if one is willing to put the effort in there are always jobs to do
so it is a good thing to show you are really motivated to get some work done :))

When you act make sure you are led to. There is a depression out there so don't be fooled by the appearances.

[darkrue]

I would say you almost never get a "get out of jail" freecard and shouldn't think anyone is per se learning a lesson from your doings. They can only grab that concept for theirself.

Although everything happens for a reasons , the way you act to situations through emotions should not be taking too lightly i think , lessons would be too easy that way :D

True. I agree that lessons shouldn't be taken lightly. I think that's why I've gotten myself into this emotional quagmire that I'm trying to get out of. I'm just not sure how much of the responsibility and burden I should be taking, and if I'm only putting myself into a self constructed prison by placing all the responsibilty square upon myself.

Rest assured, I'll never make the sort of commitments I made in the past without fully knowing myself and what I'm getting myself into. I believe it's because I made ego based promises that my soul was unable to keep. I still have internal struggle because I am one who wishes to always keep their word and I do not like being viewed by others as being dishonest or untrustworthy. I'm having a hard time coming to grips with it. But I will. I'm sure I will. It's just taking a long time.

[darkrue]

And I've gotta say, that it's really helping that I can talk about this. :) Thanks everyone! As afraid as I am to talk about my indescretions, I'm happy that there is a non-judgemental place to do so.

[gooseone]

I don't know the details of your situation and i don't think they really matter.
But it might be an idea that without elaborating into the details of your spiritual yourney, that it is possible to tell people that you followed you're instincts and stood by your choice and are sorry for the concequences it has caused them ?
And doing so telling them that you hop eyou won't be seen as a person who does not keep his word.
Honesty is a big problem for a lot of people , they often can't even be honest to themselves.

Besides , you get the great sensations of accompagnying shame along with them :D TOTALLY FEE OF CHARGE !
(you know the red ears , stuttering etc...the usual things people try so desperately to avoid to the point of killing each other :p)

[roage]

besides , you get the great sensations of accompagnying shame along with them :d totally fee of charge !
(you know the red ears , stuttering etc...the usual things people try so desperately to avoid to the point of killing each other :p)

bonus yeah!

[darkrue]

I don't know the details of your situation and i don't think they really matter.
But it might be an idea that without elaborating into the details of your spiritual yourney, that it is possible to tell people that you followed you're instincts and stood by your choice and are sorry for the concequences it has caused them ?
And doing so telling them that you hop eyou won't be seen as a person who does not keep his word.
Honesty is a big problem for a lot of people , they often can't even be honest to themselves.

Besides , you get the great sensations of accompagnying shame along with them :D TOTALLY FEE OF CHARGE !
(you know the red ears , stuttering etc...the usual things people try so desperately to avoid to the point of killing each other :p)

Honestly, I think it's best to just let it go without trying to drag any of those people back into my life. If they truly wished to understand my side, I believe they would have asked me personally for clarification. No one seemed to care, and I was left alone to figure it out with no support whatsoever.

There were things done on both and all sides that were not so good and I need to keep into account that I did what I did because that was what I felt was best for me and those I am currently responsible for. I just don't think I was quite prepared for some of the heartbreak that followed which happened to be indirectly related to the actual decision. But it was so poetic, and seemed like such a cruel universal joke. In hindsight it all makes perfect sense, and was meant to guide me through the change, but the painful after effects were somewhat of an embarrasing consequence that I kept to myself because I just couldn't bear the thought of these people having any satisfaction of my despair. This was the most difficult decision I've ever had to make and I just wanted to come through it with strength and courage and dignity.


I'm not regretting the decision or the change, but more of how it was done. I could have done *so much* better. But I think we all could have done better. I just need to forgive myself and not dwell on what other people may think....especially those who do not wish to be a part of my life anymore. Those who love me and understand me are in my life already and I need to be grateful and move forward with what I have.

[gooseone]

Again , i am not aware of your situation and again it doens't really matter.
I have done some things in my life and took the consequences as they came.
If had been more aware at the time i'd certainly spoken some things out.
I'm not in any way trying to imply anything to be done , just to give my opnion and that is that "dignity" is something people sometimes give too much value every now and then.

[roage]

Honestly, I think it's best to just let it go without trying to drag any of those people back into my life. If they truly wished to understand my side, I believe they would have asked me personally for clarification. No one seemed to care, and I was left alone to figure it out with no support whatsoever.

Technically, we are all one being so it has already been handled appropriately for all observers involved. :D

[gooseone]

I just realized something which might be of importance.
I already have figured out for myself that it isn't for me to experience the astral plane and other levels of conciousness very easily.
In fact i have a hard time visualizing things while meditating for instance and i have wondered how to get more in touch with my true feelings.
All my life i have been subtly aware of myself as a concious being, whereby the greatest breakthrough has been identifying my ego and clearly seeing past that as the concept of identity.
It has already been mentioned that the ego is in a sense "all that which thinks in words" in other meaning , our inner dialogue which we use to translate feelings into material concepts.
So most people usually have their inner dialogue in their native langauge and this ego or inner dialogue matures in the way we are conditioned to develop.
Children who have not yet developed the ability to speak have therefore no inner dialogue as we know it and which we see so much as intelligence and get so much perception of identity from.
I think this is why humans have a hard time remembering their early years and it wouldn't surprise me if what we clearly remember from our past is only the time from which we were able to express ourself in words.

For example : If people didn't have mouthes with which they could verbally communicate but instead had guitars humankind would probably use the notes of the guitar to form words(chords) and communicate that way.
Therefore the thoughtprocess that seems so logical and is not to be escaped from would express itselfs as an inner dialogue in the form of a guitarsong !
(could be very entertaining btw :D)

So it is at this point clearer for me then ever our internal thinking isn't that logical as it seems !

Oke , now it seems that although the human brain is highly adaptable , it usually is seperated into the right and left hemisphere and the left is the thinking mind and the right is the feeling mind which have a express highway in which there is communication.

The thing where i may have been getting it wrong al along (mind you i can only speak for my own experience) is this : It seems i have mastered the ability to think logically with my left hemisphere so i can conciously control how i use it to a certain extent ( not taking into account the subconcious for complexity reasons ) , however when i meditate i can, in a way, stop thinking and just "feel". At this point everything i feel seems useless without translating it into words and vica versa everything i try to visualize has first been thought of by myself in words. The conclusion is : I cannot seem to control my right hemisphere without thinking in words . Seeing "the thinking mind" isn't as logical as it seems , it shouldn't be too far fetched to grasp the concept that i should be able to "think" with my right hemisphere. The only trap is deprogramming oneself so that not everything is automatically translated in words ! So that way one can be able to have a inner dialogue which is almost unimaginable and works with feelings !.


It's hard to explain and i don't know how it fits into other concepts i have thought of untill now , but i'd like to hear your thoughts ;)

[gooseone]

Sorry guys but i'm really tripping myself out with this one

what's Stevie saying in this vid :D
Little Wing by SRV from El Mocambo - YouTube
:p

Good times..................

[roage]

I just realized something which might be of importance.
I already have figured out for myself that it isn't for me to experience the astral plane and other levels of conciousness very easily.
In fact i have a hard time visualizing things while meditating for instance and i have wondered how to get more in touch with my true feelings.
All my life i have been subtly aware of myself as a concious being, whereby the greatest breakthrough has been identifying my ego and clearly seeing past that as the concept of identity.
It has already been mentioned that the ego is in a sense "all that which thinks in words" in other meaning , our inner dialogue which we use to translate feelings into material concepts.
So most people usually have their inner dialogue in their native langauge and this ego or inner dialogue matures in the way we are conditioned to develop.
Children who have not yet developed the ability to speak have therefore no inner dialogue as we know it and which we see so much as intelligence and get so much perception of identity from.
I think this is why humans have a hard time remembering their early years and it wouldn't surprise me if what we clearly remember from our past is only the time from which we were able to express ourself in words.

For example : If people didn't have mouthes with which they could verbally communicate but instead had guitars humankind would probably use the notes of the guitar to form words(chords) and communicate that way.
Therefore the thoughtprocess that seems so logical and is not to be escaped from would express itselfs as an inner dialogue in the form of a guitarsong !
(could be very entertaining btw :D)

So it is at this point clearer for me then ever our internal thinking isn't that logical as it seems !

Oke , now it seems that although the human brain is highly adaptable , it usually is seperated into the right and left hemisphere and the left is the thinking mind and the right is the feeling mind which have a express highway in which there is communication.

The thing where i may have been getting it wrong al along (mind you i can only speak for my own experience) is this : It seems i have mastered the ability to think logically with my left hemisphere so i can conciously control how i use it to a certain extent ( not taking into account the subconcious for complexity reasons ) , however when i meditate i can, in a way, stop thinking and just "feel". At this point everything i feel seems useless without translating it into words and vica versa everything i try to visualize has first been thought of by myself in words. The conclusion is : I cannot seem to control my right hemisphere without thinking in words . Seeing "the thinking mind" isn't as logical as it seems , it shouldn't be too far fetched to grasp the concept that i should be able to "think" with my right hemisphere. The only trap is deprogramming oneself so that not everything is automatically translated in words ! So that way one can be able to have a inner dialogue which is almost unimaginable and works with feelings !.


It's hard to explain and i don't know how it fits into other concepts i have thought of untill now , but i'd like to hear your thoughts ;)

That is an awesome contribution to this thread! My attempt here is the switch from left-brained control to right-brained control. That is that the ego rambling reflects the purpose and meaning of the Self rather than simply the logic of ego.

[roage]

Sorry guys but i'm really tripping myself out with this one

what's Stevie saying in this vid :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-b7zuiux-0&feature=related
:p

Good times..................

Nice, ever listen to any Phil Keaggy and do you know how he is related to the video above?

[roage]

I'm telling you folks this stuff stinks Check out this sales pitch:

The Law Of Attraction Will Destroy Your Life (http://lawofattractionexpress.com/blog/?p=954&cpage=1#comment-2524)

OK so let's say this stuff works. Should there not be millions of people a day who suddenly have everything they desire? Why have I not noticed a huge shift in the economy as these people go to market?

This is a trap. Now, since one truly takes full responsibility, for their life then they are responsible for knowing the law and there is no excuse when those who are behind foisting this ruse decide employ real law to act prosecute the hapless.

Use of colorable money violates the law against stealing, fraud, usury and slavery. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Now, because we accept responsibility, it means power can be marshaled against any who willingly snare themselves in this trap.

Look at the way media and the Internet has been employed to distribute this trap to all corners of the globe.

This stinks to high heaven and it is a lie. I am not saying it does not work for those who need a lesson in ego traps, it very well may for those folks but those who are on a higher path have no chance of having the desires of their ego ("heart") fulfilled in this way.

[gooseone]

You really are on a crusade against that one :D

do you really feel it is a way to interfere with peoples own free will ?

I cannot seem to see it that way , in my opinion Free Will > Law of Attraction.
Seeing as it's very hard to know for sure what the lessons of life will be it is automatically not possible to interfere with Free Will seeing as it's almost impossible to truelly know what it is one wants. Therefore the boundries are not clear. However as usual i find it a good thing that you bring the attention to it , seeing as there a so many distractions to make the game harder there should also be the ones who make it a bit clearer :D

Ow and i don't know how Phill Keaggy relates to the Vid posted , other then it might be wise to ask him what Stevie is saying :p

[roage]

You really are on a crusade against that one :D

do you really feel it is a way to interfere with peoples own free will ?

I cannot seem to see it that way , in my opinion Free Will > Law of Attraction.
Seeing as it's very hard to know for sure what the lessons of life will be it is automatically not possible to interfere with Free Will seeing as it's almost impossible to truelly know what it is one wants. Therefore the boundries are not clear. However as usual i find it a good thing that you bring the attention to it , seeing as there a so many distractions to make the game harder there should also be the ones who make it a bit clearer :D

You actually hit the nail on the head! It is not that it usurps any fundamental law, it is that once again people are being duped. If it works, it works for a completely different reason from what it is being sold as and people are lining their pockets on a destructive lie.

This material is dynamite. I mean literally, it is like handing people a box of dynamite. Some may move mountains but most will blow the sh_t out of themselves.

It cannot be working for a majority of people or we would know it, as the effect on global economics would be profound. Therefore it is a lie to describe it as the liberating tool it is being sold as. Worse yet why is it being sold in the first place? If it is such a reality altering tool then why charge for it? Would we all be better off if we merely modified the world to be what our egos wanted?

This kind of nonsense is as dangerous as "The American Dream" scam. Here in America they delivered what they promised. The general state of things is miserable but we got what we wanted: a dream without anything of substance.

Another nonsense scam is the idea that we must "fight for freedom". These are gimmicks that people buy into without thinking.

We cannot solve a problem applying the same logic that got us into the problem in the first place.

Do the people deserve to get scammed? One can argue that yes they do.

On the other hand we are all one and although those "others" may appear to be separate from "me", "they" are not. Therefore "I" am being scammed and "I" want it to stop because this inhibits "our" change in consciousness. "I" have concluded that it is OK to call this wrong and operate against it because "they" operate against "us". This is merely one being wrestling with itself.

The bolded pronouns above refer to a singular being and that by itself makes this tricky to fully understand.

I oppose it because I no longer want this done to myself and that is merely a choice.

Do I have the power to make the choice?

Yes.

Do I posses the power to manifest that choice?

No.

Have I been given the power to express that choice?

Yes.

Will that expression lead to a manifested change?

Well, that is a good question that remains to be seen.

What do you think?

Ow and i don't know how Phill Keaggy relates to the Vid posted , other then it might be wise to ask him what Stevie is saying :p

Back in the early seventies. Johnny Carson asked Jimmy Hendrix: "how does it feel to be the greatest guitar player in the world?" Hendrix said, "I don't know why don't you ask Phil Keaggy?" They were on the same label in roughly the same kind of risky lifestyle. Then Phil chose one path and Hendrix chose another. We are in the realm of genius which is merely a more complex level of this experiment of life. SRV merely reminds us that although the players may leave us the experiment continues...


One more thing: Icke is completely off the playing field. I used to judge him useful. Later I judged him a necessary distraction. I now judge him a egotistical boat anchor and a hindrance to a global consciousness change. It is time to cut him free.

Doctor heal thyself!

[gooseone]

Who are you to judge Roage ? (just keeping check :D)

I'm reading the book "Children of the Law of One" which is kinda hard to go through because i had a lot of realisations already and therefore some parts of the book are not very entertaining.
The signs i got outside reading the book that it probably is a good read are as
usual not to be taken lightly and so far there are a couple of simple things that give me a great guideline and also explain Roage better.

If everybody is One , would you like to suffer ? So it's nessecary to take some action every now and then :)

And there's something said like: Only interfere with Free Will of those who are interfering with Free Will of others. (this one does have the potential to create galactic wars but also seems righteous)

[roage]

Who are you to judge Roage ? (just keeping check :D)

If we are all one then that is a harder question than it seems. Judge no lest you be judged is also a little tricky. LOL


I'm reading the book "Children of the Law of One" which is kinda hard to go through because i had a lot of realisations already and therefore some parts of the book are not very entertaining.
The signs i got outside reading the book that it probably is a good read are as
usual not to be taken lightly and so far there are a couple of simple things that give me a great guideline and also explain Roage better.


I differ to Ø and he/she is far better at explaining "Roage" and I am usually happen when independent divination is employed because I am all ears too. As you can see I am happy to include stuff that get's close even. (Lazy :) )



If everybody is One , would you like to suffer ? So it's nessecary to take some action every now and then :)

And there's something said like: Only interfere with Free Will of those who are interfering with Free Will of others. (this one does have the potential to create galactic wars but also seems righteous)

Well I would love to suffer if I learn wonderful things through suffering as I have found that to be the case.

A djedi uses the force only in defense and if we actually stuck to that policy we would not ever have to use it in defense either. :) Tricky is, must later understand.

[gooseone]

Okay Yoda :D , i'm really having a hard time here.
I am lost and i think i need guidance , the choice which seems at hand and which is draining my energy is a big un.
Just yesterday i was asked by a friend to go to a lecture some time , so i searched the net for the person giving the lecture.
To my amazement the guy has almost the same thoughts as i have and seems to have come to them in a similar way and on more than one occasion use a lot of the sources i have been pointed to.
I saw an interview with him and the guy totally didn't sit right with me :eek:
He could have never come to the realisations he has without going through certain experiences which made me wonder why he didn't seem to have any spark.
The only thing i can think of is that he has gone the wrong way in the manner how he practices what he preaches , namely giving lectures/workshops/writing books.
This seems like the most easy way to keep al the comfort of the material life and still make a difference without too much sacrifice.
(I must say this guy is doing very good work and i can't imagine anything wrong with his intentions , he even has al his books in PDF format for free on his site and his lectures cost next to nothing...for Dutch people:Pateo.nl , Johan Oldenkamp )
Just the absence of a smile or spark gave me the chills.
So i know that is certainly not the way for me.
However just to give everything material up also doesn't resonate with me.
I can give everything up and place trust in all that is but my vision is that i would turn up on the other end as an anti-materialist and any influence i might have had on society would also be greatly diminished.
I know i am very good at making excuses for myself to grasp at the little things i do find enjoyable but just giving everything up seems to defeat the purpose.
My environment seems like a hindrance whereby i get stuck in ways which eventually lead to not developing myself so that the choice at hand becomes clearer. It's hard enough to go out in society everyday really hoping for a chance to be the best one can be, only to be found realising it seems everybody has a big plate for their head and not taking that in a way which makes me feel hopeless for humankind :o
I almost get sad when almost everyone who seems to be on a spiritual path
has just transformed their ego from a materialistic ego into a spiritual ego :(

[roage]

Okay Yoda :D , i'm really having a hard time here.
I am lost and i think i need guidance , the choice which seems at hand and which is draining my energy is a big un.
Just yesterday i was asked by a friend to go to a lecture some time , so i searched the net for the person giving the lecture.
To my amazement the guy has almost the same thoughts as i have and seems to have come to them in a similar way and on more than one occasion use a lot of the sources i have been pointed to.
I saw an interview with him and the guy totally didn't sit right with me :eek:
He could have never come to the realisations he has without going through certain experiences which made me wonder why he didn't seem to have any spark.
The only thing i can think of is that he has gone the wrong way in the manner how he practices what he preaches , namely giving lectures/workshops/writing books.
This seems like the most easy way to keep al the comfort of the material life and still make a difference without too much sacrifice.
(I must say this guy is doing very good work and i can't imagine anything wrong with his intentions , he even has al his books in PDF format for free on his site and his lectures cost next to nothing...for Dutch people:Pateo.nl , Johan Oldenkamp )
Just the absence of a smile or spark gave me the chills.
So i know that is certainly not the way for me.
However just to give everything material up also doesn't resonate with me.
I can give everything up and place trust in all that is but my vision is that i would turn up on the other end as an anti-materialist and any influence i might have had on society would also be greatly diminished.
I know i am very good at making excuses for myself to grasp at the little things i do find enjoyable but just giving everything up seems to defeat the purpose.
My environment seems like a hindrance whereby i get stuck in ways which eventually lead to not developing myself so that the choice at hand becomes clearer. It's hard enough to go out in society everyday really hoping for a chance to be the best one can be, only to be found realising it seems everybody has a big plate for their head and not taking that in a way which makes me feel hopeless for humankind :o
I almost get sad when almost everyone who seems to be on a spiritual path
has just transformed their ego from a materialistic ego into a spiritual ego :(

Fear is the mind killer.

Here is your trust test. You believe that you are required to give up comfort to grow spiritually and that is not necessarily the case. Do I know for sure? Yes, I know for sure what the answer is but I cannot tell you. You are going to have to trust and be completely prepared to be destitute if that is what Ø wants. Which is actually you. I did not have to do this. However, I am not single. I have been waiting for my wife to transition. Over and over she has floundered and the pressure on the two of use has been applied but this is not my hourglass. It is her hourglass and she has to go through.

Trust without condition and know that all you experience is for the benefit of the observer and that is precisely what the observer needs and wants. The universe will be made to conform to that good purpose provided if you trust Ø without condition. Your function is not to save anyone but yourself. Any help you may or may not provide anyone will, for the basis of any post enlightenment experience, not be yours to determine. It is not for you to decide what or where you are going. Self already knows. Relax and watch the movie. I cannot save anyone. I am only a tool that does as it is led. If I am led to cease this task, as my obligation has been fulfilled, then I cease. That includes a premature death if my purpose has been met. I am happy to be here and you should be happy to be here to and stop micro-managing something that you have no power over anyway.

Does that help?

[gooseone]

Yes that does help, every feedback that is given to me by someone who has
good intentions is very welcome. That's why i so frequently post here :)
Ø Has shown me this is not the way and is trying to show me the direction i am going to take. Unfortunately i am as yet not very perceptive to see the signs clearly. If i take consideration with my actions i can be an example for everyone in my surroundings in the way to get out of the greatest conspiracy there is , namely a society where very few people seem to be at liberty to be able to do anything other then follow a path to service theirself and being convinced it is the only way to survive.
The movie is al set up to start and the menu trailer is repeatedly playing but i can't seem to find the start button.

[roage]

Yes that does help, every feedback that is given to me by someone who has
good intentions is very welcome. That's why i so frequently post here :)
Ø Has shown me this is not the way and is trying to show me the direction i am going to take. Unfortunately i am as yet not very perceptive to see the signs clearly. If i take consideration with my actions i can be an example for everyone in my surroundings in the way to get out of the greatest conspiracy there is , namely a society where very few people seem to be at liberty to be able to do anything other then follow a path to service theirself and being convinced it is the only way to survive.
The movie is al set up to start and the menu trailer is repeatedly playing but i can't seem to find the start button.

For me the choice was easy: I can either be at the mercy of the will of man or I can be at the mercy of the will of Ø.

It is a no brainer. The only expectation that Ø has for me is that I trust Ø without condition. Not a problem. Man has more expectations than our technology can even document.

One merely chooses to to trust Ø or trust what they see in the simulation.

If one does not trust Ø without condition then all the universe is a lie. If one trusts Ø without condition then all the universe is the Truth.

Does that help?

[gooseone]

Nope , your point was already very clear ;)

[roage]

Nope , your point was already very clear ;)

Must be one the following:


You are afraid to trust.

You simply do not wish to trust at this time

Ego is saying it is ready to somehow delay observer from actually choosing

Them reptilian aliens are reprogramming your experience because they want to use you in their breeding programs

God decided that heaven is over capacity and you have to wait until he creates an addition by a new renovation.

The fabric of space time is being cut into small geometric shapes and some handicapped kids are sewing it into a quilt.

You have been cast into an alternate reality where one gets the exact opposite of their hearts desire.

You don't actually exist. You are merely a prop in my life experience.

Your observer has been duct taped to the ceiling of the universe by Satan as a pre-bliss prank.

The law of attraction actual does work and someone is attracting the experience of being at a Roman spectacle where you will be slowly eaten by crazy cocaine addicted tree frogs.

I realize that you being too afraid to trust is a little bit nuts but I put it in there for laughs.

[gooseone]

ROFL :D

It indeed will be a great spectacle :p everyone gets to lick the backs of the tree frogs after the party is over ;)

You may say that i do not wish to trust or that my ego is a hindrance in making a choice.
In other words , no i have not deprogrammed myself enough to take the fools way. I will however find my way.

[particlepopup]

The fabric of space time is being cut into small geometric shapes and some handicapped kids are sewing it into a quilt.

Cheers roage, i nearly burst my colostomy bag at that one :D

[roage]

It is supposed to be fun :D

[roage]

ROFL :D

It indeed will be a great spectacle :p everyone gets to lick the backs of the tree frogs after the party is over ;)

You may say that i do not wish to trust or that my ego is a hindrance in making a choice.
In other words , no i have not deprogrammed myself enough to take the fools way. I will however find my way.

Of the cards "The Fool" is an awesome card.

[grannymoose]

:D I love this game.

[particlepopup]

It is supposed to be fun :D

Oh it is without a shadow of doubt, it gets better day by day hour by hour.

[gooseone]

I had a job to do this Monday after thinking too much the whole weekend.
I guess it was a very important job for some people.
The smile i got when i was almost there and my throttle pedal went dead didn't went away the whole day :D

[roage]

I had a job to do this Monday after thinking too much the whole weekend.
I guess it was a very important job for some people.
The smile i got when i was almost there and my throttle pedal went dead didn't went away the whole day :D

What happens when we are to have a break no matter what?

[gooseone]

We take a break and when evaluating what the break was for, some people start to read stuff handed to them by searching on the net .
Then , some people read in the book about how even car break downs can be of importance in one's life.
Then some people hear their very distinct lastname shouted on the radio just before Fleetwood Mac tells them to go their own way.
Even monestaries seem like an "easy way out" :D
Although i know people here mostly think they can only work on theirself , i do would like to make a difference by setting a good example for others.

[roage]

Although i know people here mostly think they can only work on theirself , i do would like to make a difference by setting a good example for others.

You can merely show them the door...sometimes

[pipsicle]

You can merely show them the door...sometimes


Roage: You say people who become victims are allowed to gain strength at the perpetrator's expense. How can this be when some child molesters and murderers go unpunished in law?

Please explain plainly. I don't understand your links and have tried to study them.

[ahakeleuthos1]

Roage: You say people who become victims are allowed to gain strength at the perpetrator's expense. How can this be when some child molesters and murderers go unpunished in law?

Please explain plainly. I don't understand your links and have tried to study them.

Even child molesters and murders have to deal with the law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. And even if it appears that they aren't being "punished" they still have consequences to deal with.

[pipsicle]

Even child molesters and murders have to deal with the law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. And even if it appears that they aren't being "punished" they still have consequences to deal with.

... Like what?

[gooseone]

The way i see it someone who does seriously wrong sentences himself.
He can never be honest again , even to himself , in being honest he will automatically confess and therefore has to repent.
He will seek for forgivness which might never be found.
Would you like to life your life always keeping a terrible secret ?

I don't know exactly how karma works but i'd like to comfort myself in knowing it works.

The only thing i can consider "evil" are the ones who conciously feed their ego to become totally self observed.
I can find myself in the Law of One for a bit and i dare not imagine how it would be for someone to follow that path and coming into higher conciousness and grasping the fact that everything is one and then has to feel what that person has done to others.

I might have a prejudgement here but i've seen examples ( in movies, newspapers etc ) of mostly mothers who forgive and feel sorrow for the ones who harmed their children.

That doesn't mean i will not condamn any act like the ones mentioned , we are here in a reality we are able to observe and every moral intuition should not be taking lightly.

I have asked a similar question in this topic and i too can have great difficulty
with not seeing one "punished" for his actions in the way we are used to see it

[roage]

Roage: You say people who become victims are allowed to gain strength at the perpetrator's expense.

I say that power is marshaled on behalf of the victim. We have no power here. All expressions of power are by proxy.

How can this be when some child molesters and murderers go unpunished in law?


I think it would be interesting to actually talk to a child molester who goes "unpunished" and hear what he or she has to say.


Please explain plainly. I don't understand your links and have tried to study them.

The "Law" you speak of is statute or municipal code. It is procedural or commercial law, it is not real Law. Technically you are property of (I am assuming you are in the UK but it makes no difference) the corporation that runs your country that you call "Government". Since you probably call yourself a "person", "citizen" or "resident" then you have voluntarily waived your rights. A child is a ward of the state and considered chattel, property, livestock and since their parents are similarly disposed then they have no lawful claim to their child. Therefore the situation you speak of almost never happens nowadays as there are no common law courts in session because there are no trustees serving in lawful government. What exists is an unlawful/legal fiction that does not have the lawful power to govern.

Nearly all true crimes go "unpunished", from a perspective that you are inferring, by not being arrested, prosecuted and incarcerated. There can be no victim if they have no rights and most people have waived their rights. Perhaps if we had lawful courts and lawful governments then your question would have more meaning. As it stands right now: I would have trouble showing you what you have never seen before.

Try this as an experiment: Begin lying to people and make sure you get away with it. Make sure they are damaging lies. Injure them with deception. After each time you lie keep notes and record if your life improves, as far as happiness, "luck" or becomes stressful and uncomfortable. Record how many times the lies blow up in your face and you lose friends, alienate family members or people you love. You can do this with stealing and killing too but the consequences are more severe. Am I truly advocating this? Yes, if it will teach you this lesson because this is indeed an important one to learn.

Otherwise you can take my word for it because I have done these things and others in this thread have also and they know what they are talking about.

It may be that you watch too much TV or you are really young and have yet to acquired the customary bumps on the skull. If you are older than 25 I have to ask if you have been beamed here recently.

I hope this was simple enough for you.

For some reason I am led to be an @__hole to you. I generally am not that way with people but I intuited some odd insulting emotion associated with your post. It would be interesting if you could explain why that is.

[grannymoose]

Apples on a conveyour belt. Here the good and ripe are chosen.
The Bad are removed, it doesnt matter how far down the line they travel, they will not reach the end.
But.. all bad apples removed will not be wasted. They are planted. Given the chance to go fourth and grow, to become the very fruit bearer they were meant to be.
This is forgiveness, it doesn't matter what has been done to you, it is forgiving the impossible. Only the strong and advanced beings within us can emotionaly forgive not matter what the act or circumstances. These beings are our very targets. Love with everything one has, and if the going gets tough, Love even harder.

In life, actions of what you speak about seem to go unpunished. How does 5 or 10 or 15 years in prision make ok for destroying the child in question?
The child in question will bear the scars, never will they forget, they will carry the burden through life and always recall upon it. They however fail to understand that the very experence was chosen by themselves. There was agreement to come forth and experience life without fear of pain or suffering. only growth would be gained at the highest level. These are amazing souls for they choose the ultimate package for maximum growth.

It is like the following.
Once there were only 10 Life experence places.
One day one decided to assult another.
This caused great emotional distress to the secound life. A victim had been created.
The 10 life experiences starts again, but this time there is a valid lesson to be learnt. The one that caused the assult now has to become the victim but there is a problem...... it means becouse they must become the victim there must be another to do the assult.......
One being now experiencing his life slot decides to carry out the act in question knowing they to will create a victim and in turn become the victim.
The 10 Life experiences now doubles to 20, then to 40 and so on.
Today it is on about 61 billion.

Realising the Game whilst within the game and understanding fully why and how victims are created is the complettion of the cycle.

No more becoming the victim. No more creating the Victim.

[roage]

No more becoming the victim. No more creating the Victim.

But GrannyMoose it is so fun to be a victim! I can complain and people really listen to me, try to console me and I can manipulate them using their inherent need to help others and the less fortunate. If I am the biggest victim on my street then I have the power!

It is a drug and modern man is strung out. It is so bad that we often victimize ourselves just so we have something to talk about.

[roage]

Hi Gang,

I rolled out a new forum. It is free and it is an improvement over the first one.

http://roage.free-forum.net/

You can also access it through the home page.

This will work better.

Roage

[grannymoose]

There is a problem with creating an account Roger.
Does not matter what password i come up with it replys: The password does not contain the required characters.

[deckard666]

There is a problem with creating an account Roger.
Does not matter what password i come up with it replys: The password does not contain the required characters.

Did you use small letters, big letters, special characters and numbers combined?

That's the only way it works.


Namaste,

Deckard

[roage]

There is a problem with creating an account Roger.
Does not matter what password i come up with it replys: The password does not contain the required characters.

OK it is a strong password standard:

It must have a Capital letter
It must have a lower case letter
It must have a number
it must have a special character !@#$%^&*?

Examples: G00fb@ll, Ub3rAll3s!, N@s3nugg3t, 10%Naked, Sn@k3

[gooseone]

This one looks good ! :)

Uhm , what's up with the "enlightment" ?
One thread states one could be actively searching for enlightment and the other states to communicate with "enlightened" people.
I can post replies in the forum but that might take away from general questions which could very well be posted there.

Using those terms could easily create "ego" goals to "want" ( i know i could fall for it ;)). And something doensn't sit right with me when someone defines themself as enlightened....might be just me :o

[roage]

This one looks good ! :)

Uhm , what's up with the "enlightment" ?
One thread states one could be actively searching for enlightment and the other states to communicate with "enlightened" people.
I can post replies in the forum but that might take away from general questions which could very well be posted there.

Using those terms could easily create "ego" goals to "want" ( i know i could fall for it ;)). And something doensn't sit right with me when someone defines themself as enlightened....might be just me :o

I understand the stigma we assign to people we think are spiritual snobs or better than everyone else.

Is one burdened with hang-ups and stuck on negative events in their past?

No? then one is not weighed down and therefore one is enlightened.

I can say I am therefore enlightened. Does that mean I stop growing and have attained perfection? Only to people who have no clue as to what enlightenment really is.

I notice you guys have created accounts how about some posts?

There is a private thread for those I know need it. Only those who are close and are truly attentive or crossed the threshold will I decide to add to the private group.

[gooseone]

I can post replies in the forum but that might take away from general questions which could very well be posted there.

I can say I am therefore enlightened. Does that mean I stop growing and have attained perfection? Only to people who have no clue as to what enlightenment really is.



Well , my question is answered so i feel totally free to post :D

[pipsicle]

Thankyou gooseone... I interpret your post to mean people are blocking themselves from experiencing the divine and thereby cursing their own lives. In which case it is an interesting poinst and may indeed be so.



I think it would be interesting to actually talk to a child molester who goes "unpunished" and hear what he or she has to say.

I have a feeling it would involve whinging and self-pity.

Technically you are property of (I am assuming you are in the UK but it makes no difference) the corporation that runs your country that you call "Government". Since you probably call yourself a "person", "citizen" or "resident" then you have voluntarily waived your rights. A child is a ward of the state and considered chattel, property, livestock and since their parents are similarly disposed then they have no lawful claim to their child. Therefore the situation you speak of almost never happens nowadays as there are no common law courts in session because there are no trustees serving in lawful government. What exists is an unlawful/legal fiction that does not have the lawful power to govern.

ok I follow you thus far.

Nearly all true crimes go "unpunished", from a perspective that you are inferring, by not being arrested, prosecuted and incarcerated. There can be no victim if they have no rights and most people have waived their rights. Perhaps if we had lawful courts and lawful governments then your question would have more meaning. As it stands right now: I would have trouble showing you what you have never seen before.


Hmm.


Try this as an experiment: Begin lying to people and make sure you get away with it. Make sure they are damaging lies. Injure them with deception. After each time you lie keep notes and record if your life improves, as far as happiness, "luck" or becomes stressful and uncomfortable. Record how many times the lies blow up in your face and you lose friends, alienate family members or people you love. You can do this with stealing and killing too but the consequences are more severe. Am I truly advocating this? Yes, if it will teach you this lesson because this is indeed an important one to learn.

I quite agree I would find these things dreadful personally, but the people I've seen perpetrating them in some cases do not have a conscience. So if they do not condemn themselves and the commercial law also does not condemn them, what bad judgment do they actually take on board.



It may be that you watch too much TV or you are really young and have yet to acquired the customary bumps on the skull. If you are older than 25 I have to ask if you have been beamed here recently.

I hope this was simple enough for you.

For some reason I am led to be an @__hole to you.

"Asshole" is your description, not mine.

I generally am not that way with people but I intuited some odd insulting emotion associated with your post. It would be interesting if you could explain why that is.

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding "insulting emotion". I had nothing but respect for you at the time I made the post. It would be interesting if you could explain to me how on earth I am supposed to have insulted you by asking a polite question.

[roage]

"Asshole" is your description, not mine.

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding "insulting emotion". I had nothing but respect for you at the time I made the post. It would be interesting if you could explain to me how on earth I am supposed to have insulted you by asking a polite question.[/QUOTE]

I apologize but I got an odd feeling from the language in the post. Forgive me. I am having trouble thinking in parallel paradigms and I got the impression of being at an inquisition and being put on the defense.

The other thing was several people have the Idea that I am some aloof unerring buffoon. Although I a getting the hang of this I am by no means perfect.

I have not been without government "observers" testing me. This is not paranoia as I have become good friend with some of them. There are a number of people who believe it is in there power to "enforce the law". In those cases I tend to properly establish the "public servant" aspect of their role.

Additionally it is nice that the manners in this thread are maintained at a high level. On its face I probably should have given you the benefit of the doubt.

The answer that received a hmmm. I would like to clarify further just in cast it was misunderstood.

The "legal" system is a debtor prison and indentured servitude process. Whether in prison or not we are made to be servants. One could also argue that the "restriction" is only a matter of degrees and may not constitute a real punishment for one who is not responsible for their actions.

Until we all begin taking full responsibility we cannot expect real law to be enforced on our behalf as that is a hallmark of the "irresponsible state" we exist in.

[pipsicle]

I apologize but I got an odd feeling from the language in the post.

Thankyou.

Forgive me.

Done.


The "legal" system is a debtor prison and indentured servitude process. Whether in prison or not we are made to be servants. One could also argue that the "restriction" is only a matter of degrees and may not constitute a real punishment for one who is not responsible for their actions.

I forget which poster was saying a trust in set up in one's name upon signature of birth certificate, another when one becomes of legal age to work - a bonded slave. I don't know if I've thought about this as deeply as you have but I experience dual paradigms to some degree too (as I'm sure do many) as this model is so different from what is taught not only in schools but also in the media etc.


Until we all begin taking full responsibility we cannot expect real law to be enforced on our behalf as that is a hallmark of the "irresponsible state" we exist in.

Roage, do you think the freeman route (disassembling one's legal 'personage') is a constructive way to do this?

[roage]

I forget which poster was saying a trust in set up in one's name upon signature of birth certificate, another when one becomes of legal age to work - a bonded slave. I don't know if I've thought about this as deeply as you have but I experience dual paradigms to some degree too (as I'm sure do many) as this model is so different from what is taught not only in schools but also in the media etc.

Yes John Harris speaks to this and this concept is known here in the States also

Roage, do you think the freeman route (disassembling one's legal 'personage') is a constructive way to do this?

No I think it is dangerous and wrong, for the simple fact, that these folks, although they understand some principles in real law, they stumble on a real simple law.

That is:

"If you ask permission it is assumed you need permission"

Think about how one undermines their true sovereignty when one approaches a fiction with "hat in hand" and file application to be granted their freedom? We need not ask permission to be free because they could not ever lawfully enslave us. Paper be damned!

I file an affidavit in the courts that notifies, those serving as officers, of my change in state.

This is what I refer to as my "Declaration of Sovereignty And Independence" in the "Contents" section of my site. Nothing else is needed. Once Ø is on board then officers serving a fiction really have nothing to say about it and, more important, they be not be given the opportunity if you trust Ø without condition. (That is an awesome thing to experience) Once the document is a matter of public record and proper notice has been served than any encroachment is actionable in Law and Statute. One can post it in a newspaper also for more "assurance". If an officer asks you can provide the notice to them or to a judge. One of course should know the proper way to reserve and assert one's rights such that the officer knows what they are dealing with.

Does that help?

[pipsicle]

Yes, thankyou. I'm reminded of the Taoist adage: "True Simplicity is Never Easy". How I could have missed the point you posted in red I do not know, but I did.

Do the officers understand the point you made with the Declaration of Soveriegnty, or is their comprehension irrelevant?

[roage]

Yes, thankyou. I'm reminded of the Taoist adage: "True Simplicity is Never Easy". How I could have missed the point you posted in red I do not know, but I did.

Do the officers understand the point you made with the Declaration of Soveriegnty, or is their comprehension irrelevant?

THe uncomfortable situstion that being "busted" serves it to get your attention. What purpose would being busted serve if you are already paying attention? It need not even come up unless there is a specific purpose for teching or affirming something to you.

You should come on over to the roage forum there are some excellent folks on board.

[matrix911]

...indeed

Wow. Interesting times we live in for sure.

Wisdom here of the highest order and perhaps one of, if not thee best site articulating absolute truth.

As was stated, there are no accidents or coincidences in this illusionary space that I've found this thread and roages site. The students of ONE seem to be assembling and remembering why we're here. However my apologies that I'm somewhat late to this class and session it seems, but better late than never eh? ;)

I'd like to add that imho, the material being revealed and taught by roage can only originate from the supreme source of ONE the Creator.

I look forward to reading the last 95 pages in this thread let alone more material on your site. Oh, I especially enjoyed your articulation of the Law of Confusion. ;)

Its definitely an honor to have reached a level of frequency to have been brought to your site roage.

thank you.

E 3
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-NMRK-

[subl1minal]

It reminds me of Lawful Rebellion here in the U.K

Brilliant stuff.

[roage]

...indeed

Wow. Interesting times we live in for sure.

Wisdom here of the highest order and perhaps one of, if not thee best site articulating absolute truth.

As was stated, there are no accidents or coincidences in this illusionary space that I've found this thread and roages site. The students of ONE seem to be assembling and remembering why we're here. However my apologies that I'm somewhat late to this class and session it seems, but better late than never eh? ;)

I'd like to add that imho, the material being revealed and taught by roage can only originate from the supreme source of ONE the Creator.

I look forward to reading the last 95 pages in this thread let alone more material on your site. Oh, I especially enjoyed your articulation of the Law of Confusion. ;)

Its definitely an honor to have reached a level of frequency to have been brought to your site roage.

thank you.

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-NMRK-

I realize the length is a bit extreme but it is adventure.

Make sure you take note of your questions and pose them here at the Roage forum. Many who have switched on as a result of this material can be found here:

Roage Forum (http://roage.free-forum.net/index.php)

We are creating a synergistic system where people can come to affect a serious change in their lives instad of being scammed and exploited. So far it has been extremely powerful and any who are looking for real answers and are ready to responsiblity for their life are welcome.

Roage

[roage]

It reminds me of Lawful Rebellion here in the U.K

Brilliant stuff.


Let's do it worldwide this time. We deserve it. Ask questions.

My process is that our government is a direct application of our spiritual awareness. We have been lazy and should have been more involved in what we we doing. We have let them goof off and make a hash of everything. We are the boss and it is time to get our own houses into lawful order and then re-create lawful government to replace the fictions we actually deserved because we let them fool us into giving away our power.

Thanks for the good word.

Roage

[pipsicle]

THe uncomfortable situstion that being "busted" serves it to get your attention. What purpose would being busted serve if you are already paying attention? It need not even come up unless there is a specific purpose for teching or affirming something to you.

You should come on over to the roage forum there are some excellent folks on board.

Thankyou, Roage.

[morethanatheory]

Hi Roage.

Which order should I read these links in? Any particular?

Silly question I know :o

[roage]

Hi Roage.

Which order should I read these links in? Any particular?

Silly question I know :o

Simply relax and do what moves you.

:D

[pipsicle]

Its definitely an honor to have reached a level of frequency to have been brought to your site roage.

thank you.

E 3
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-NMRK-

http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emoto_love_and_gratitude.jpg

[roage]

http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emoto_love_and_gratitude.jpg

There is some happy water!

Thank-You!

[seamus]

Bump!

[roage]

Bump!

Just could not leave it alone, huh?

[seamus]

Just could not leave it alone, huh?
remember what the jews say about buying property: Location, location, location!

[grannymoose]

tis quite around here :rolleyes:

[academylin]

Let's do it worldwide this time. We deserve it. Ask questions.

My process is that our government is a direct application of our spiritual awareness. We have been lazy and should have been more involved in what we we doing. We have let them goof off and make a hash of everything. We are the boss and it is time to get our own houses into lawful order and then re-create lawful government to replace the fictions we actually deserved because we let them fool us into giving away our power.

Thanks for the good word.

Roage



Hello Roage.......

I'm glad I made it here.

[nectars]

http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emoto_love_and_gratitude.jpg

Lots and lots of them in Nassim Haramein's work.

[roage]

Hello Roage.......

I'm glad I made it here.

Academylin,

I am glad you made it too. What took you so long? We have everything ready.

Come share with us:

http://roage.free-forum.net/portal.php?

Welcome Home!

We missed you!

Love
Roage

[roage]

http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emoto_love_and_gratitude.jpg

Lots and lots of them in Nassim Haramein's work.

I love happy water nothing is more healthy! You cam feel it sing!

[nectars]

Related thread for anyone new to this thread: Who is the Real Enemy?(Clickable) (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104806&page=6)

:D

[somewarez]

Tagging the thread to read when I have more time

Thanks

SW

[nectars]

Tagging the thread to read when I have more time

Thanks

SW

Its well worth the time and effort dude. All the best :)

[marisabia]

Its well worth the time and effort dude. All the best :)

i love this thread, i read through the whole thing a few weeks ago, and it definitely resonated with me, i have visited roage.com as well, now i check in just every few days, and ask myself why? i at times seem to be avoiding it, i think i need some time to absorb the information, i also believe it's fear that may be keeping me away, because there can't be any other reason, it's the best info imo on here.

[nectars]

i love this thread, i read through the whole thing a few weeks ago, and it definitely resonated with me, i have visited roage.com as well, now i check in just every few days, and ask myself why? i at times seem to be avoiding it, i think i need some time to absorb the information, i also believe it's fear that may be keeping me away, because there can't be any other reason, it's the best info imo on here.

Some amazing info here and on the site and forum. Resistance can be quite the obstacle. Watch the movie "Revolver" by Guy Ritchie and then check out this this thread for relevant clips from the movie: Who is the Real Enemy?(Clicky) (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104806)

The above movie and clips are a necessary part of the process and should help rid you of at least enough fear to move onward if that choice is taken. Make sure and watch the full movie first if possible.

Hope this helps :)

[seamus]

i love this thread, i read through the whole thing a few weeks ago, and it definitely resonated with me, i have visited roage.com as well, now i check in just every few days, and ask myself why? i at times seem to be avoiding it, i think i need some time to absorb the information, i also believe it's fear that may be keeping me away, because there can't be any other reason, it's the best info imo on here.
Oh it might not be fear keeping you away. It may just be that your true inner self knows when your observer is ready for the information. You aren't ready yet, so there is no need to push.

when it happens correctly, it appears that mountains are being moved, so to speak, apart from your own effort, yet plainly you are involved. That's when you have learned to get out of your own way ;)

That's probably the most difficult plateau to reach, since the slippery Ego will throw all sorts of red herrings your way, which all almost resonate with you. The red herrings feel good, but not quite right.

Nothing to fear though, it's all part of the game we're playing.

[nectars]

Oh it might not be fear keeping you away. It may just be that your true inner self knows when your observer is ready for the information. You aren't ready yet, so there is no need to push.

when it happens correctly, it appears that mountains are being moved, so to speak, apart from your own effort, yet plainly you are involved. That's when you have learned to get out of your own way ;)

That's probably the most difficult plateau to reach, since the slippery Ego will throw all sorts of red herrings your way, which all almost resonate with you. The red herrings feel good, but not quite right.

Nothing to fear though, it's all part of the game we're playing.

Excellent points worth closer inspection. Yet, if the information has been seen as fitting to be presented at this time, wouldn't this be by virtue of the Self acting through the ego? And in this instance wouldn't the resistance(or fear) itself be the ego attempting self preservation through the observer until its sure of the observers commitment and choice to begin the process?

All food for non-thought...

[marisabia]

Oh it might not be fear keeping you away. It may just be that your true inner self knows when your observer is ready for the information. You aren't ready yet, so there is no need to push.

when it happens correctly, it appears that mountains are being moved, so to speak, apart from your own effort, yet plainly you are involved. That's when you have learned to get out of your own way ;)

That's probably the most difficult plateau to reach, since the slippery Ego will throw all sorts of red herrings your way, which all almost resonate with you. The red herrings feel good, but not quite right.

Nothing to fear though, it's all part of the game we're playing.

i've been on this path seems my whole life. i realized a while back that i'm a right brainer, i never valued those things that other people value soo much. never been good at playing those games that people played.

i've also feel like i lived maybe at least 3 different lives in this onw alone. even though i'm, slow to change. i'm like a child in that i love to learn new things. i've always wonder why adults feel like they have to stop learning.
i have 2 girls 21 and 23 and a 12 month old son. (nothing planned. typical right brainer) and because i'm a female,nothing against you guys, i've learned to be patient unlike swift 44, although i do admire his courage. ( i miss him btw) i'm happy just patiently waiting most of the time. and being the best person i can be til the i'm worhty

[nectars]

i've learned to be patient unlike swift 44, although i do admire his courage. ( i miss him btw)


Not sure about here, but Swift is still on the roage forum :)

Roage Forum(clicky) (http://roage.free-forum.net/portal.php?)

[seamus]

[...] i'm happy just patiently waiting most of the time. and being the best person i can be til the i'm worhty
Ah yes, the benefits of growing up in America... pandemic religious guilt.

You are already worthy. Thinking you are not will definitely hold you up though.. Ø will never give us more than we can believe we are ready for.

[marisabia]

well on top of that i was raised catholic. talk about guilt:(

as well as the only girl with 4 brothers; always trying to prove my worth. your right, you know now that i think about it ive always felt unworthy. and im my case it's really not just religion. there's alot of other reasons i feel this way.
good point though.

maybe that is what is holding me up. ooh you got me thinking.

[seamus]

well on top of that i was raised catholic. talk about guilt:(

as well as the only girl with 4 brothers; always trying to prove my worth. your right, you know now that i think about it ive always felt unworthy. and im my case it's really not just religion. there's alot of other reasons i feel this way.
good point though.

maybe that is what is holding me up. ooh you got me thinking.

Catholic. Uh huh! Ditto here. I feel ya, sister!

When i refer to religious guilt, I mean to include the complex of contributing factors and behaviors that are enabled by the religious atmosphere within a particular religious culture.

It's ironic that both catholics and Jews have similar guilt issues. But when you look at the role of the father, and the role of the mother (traditionally) and that both are encouraged to have large families, too many things line up to think that it's all a coincidence.

[marisabia]

Catholic. Uh huh! Ditto here. I feel ya, sister!

When i refer to religious guilt, I mean to include the complex of contributing factors and behaviors that are enabled by the religious atmosphere within a particular religious culture.

It's ironic that both catholics and Jews have similar guilt issues. But when you look at the role of the father, and the role of the mother (traditionally) and that both are encouraged to have large families, too many things line up to think that it's all a coincidence.

your so right . and i'm first generational puerto rican to. so you can imagine the coulture shock, especially my mother went through. who was just a little country pumpkin raised up very traditional.

i remember she used to let the boys listen to richard pryor had no idea what he was talking about. that's how she learned most of her english cuss words. me too.for that matter

[marisabia]

[QUOTE=nectars;1058794320]Not sure about here, but Swift is still on the roage forum :)

Roage Forum(clicky) (http://roage.free-forum.net/portal.php?)
[/QUOTE

i've been lurking there too but just sporadically, so i may have missed him.

[marisabia]

Catholic. Uh huh! Ditto here. I feel ya, sister!

When i refer to religious guilt, I mean to include the complex of contributing factors and behaviors that are enabled by the religious atmosphere within a particular religious culture.

It's ironic that both catholics and Jews have similar guilt issues. But when you look at the role of the father, and the role of the mother (traditionally) and that both are encouraged to have large families, too many things line up to think that it's all a coincidence.



too may things line up to think that it's all coincidence.

that's an interesting comment, you've given me couple things to think about

[roage]

This bump is merely for the opportunity for another to see in ways they could not before and to say that I have found a consistency in my experience and that consistency is that:

“Your results may vary...”

Roage

[heebeejeebee]

this bump is merely for the opportunity for another to see in ways they could not before and to say that i have found a consistency in my experience and that consistency is that:

“your results may vary...”

roage

:d:d:d

[roage]

:d:d:d

A by request bump!

[malkor]

all the op links are dead.

[particlepopup]

all the op links are dead.

http://www.roage.com/default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

This should get to where you need to go. Enjoy.

[malkor]

thanks.

i would offer a suggestion to roage to edit the original post with the new link.

[roage]

thanks.

i would offer a suggestion to roage to edit the original post with the new link.

Good suggestion, however, I am not permitted to edit the original post and the site was migrated from ASP to ASP.net and I was not pleased.

If there was an Icke god that could help I would be most grateful.

It has been evolving, here is the helper page with many pertinents.

Cheers,
Roage

http://www.roage.com/default.aspx?PageID=165

[roage]

If there was an Icke god that could help I would be most grateful.

I can now conclude with certainty that there is no Icke God...

[seamus]

I can now conclude with certainty that there is no Icke God...



LO-fuckin'-OL

Well, sure there is, Roage. It's just that it's not talking to itself, in order to better feel the nine levels of hell!

Hey! Why stop at nine?

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