Break up India: Chinese think-tank

[pinkfreud]

Break up India: Chinese think-tank (http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_magazine&opt=section&sectionid=86&ptype=video&videoid=56111&secid=42)

Headlines Today
New Delhi, August 11, 2009



China has been advised by one of its official think-tanks to tackle India by breaking up the republic into 26 parts.

To accomplish the mission, the think-tank has advised Beijing to use India's hostile neighbours. It has suggested that China join hands with the restive elements among the Assamese, Kashmiris and Tamils and encourage them to fight hard for independent statehood.

According to Chinese strategic affairs specialist Zhan Lue, the author of the 'policy', Beijing should encourage Bangladesh to invite ethnic Indian Bengalis to abandon Indian nationality and work towards a united Bengali state.

Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said India does not have the power to match China's resources in terms of military.

“China is likely to be more assertive on its claims, especially on its immediate neighbours. The traditional approach of matching division for division should be changed to technological advancement on the Indian military side. We should reduce the Chinese footprint in the Indian Ocean,” Mehta said.

Reacting to the reports former officer of RAW (Research & Analysis Wing) R.S.N. Singh said:


"In a totalitarian state like China, this kind of a report never comes without state approval. But India is fully prepared and has gone strides ahead since the 1962 war. If the Chinese think of any misadventure, they will be in for a shock."



Less than a month ago, Headlines Today had highlighted a disturbing prophesy by noted Indian analyst Bharat Verma that China would mount a blistering attack on India before 2012.





(-from the Headlines Today website.)

[jammasterj13]

Mahabharat all over again.:mad:

[pinkfreud]

the information is on the chinese website www.chinaiiss.org (www.chinaiiss.org/) and cannot be viewed by servers located outside china.

i tried googling it but the webpage won't show. it shows me this:


Error 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET): Unknown error.

[pinkfreud]

Mahabharat all over again.:mad:


it's so convenient, considering all the neighbouring countries like pakistan, nepal, sri lanka and bangladesh all have an axe to grind against india. and india's RAW isn't any better- they've being creating a lot of disharmony in pakistan and nepal as well.

the maoist uprising in nepal can be attributed to china in some way; there was a catchment of chinese arms and ammo that had been captured in sikkim months back but no one guessed it would be this bad.

i hope this isn't true, but i can see signs on all 4 sides; kashmir in the north, the north-eastern states, the south being pulled into the sri lanka civil war, and now this. i'm also praying india doesn't do something stupid- coz that would be an excuse for usa to step in and play the mediator.

[anthony65]

it's so convenient, considering all the neighbouring countries like pakistan, nepal, sri lanka and bangladesh all have an axe to grind against india. and india's RAW isn't any better- they've being creating a lot of disharmony in pakistan and nepal as well.

the maoist uprising in nepal can be attributed to china in some way; there was a catchment of chinese arms and ammo that had been captured in sikkim months back but no one guessed it would be this bad.

i hope this isn't true, but i can see signs on all 4 sides; kashmir in the north, the north-eastern states, the south being pulled into the sri lanka civil war, and now this. i'm also praying india doesn't do something stupid- coz that would be an excuse for usa to step in and play the mediator.

RAW? :rolleyes:

I wonder if they were aware of how that spells out backwards?

Wing? :confused:

Department, Ministry....

No, we've got to have wing if want WAR...

[jammasterj13]

I just don't understand China's beef with India.
Apart from the usual power struggle.

Outside the subcontinent, we have more in common with the Chinese than any other race.

For time immemorial we have traded and exchanged ideas. ie We gave them Buddhism and they gave us egg fried rice.:D

I'm sure influences from the West have a hand in all this somewhere, but surely with all the backstabbing India and China have suffered from the West they would have wised up by now.

I really do despair with these two, the dragon and the tiger locked in eternal combat. Really depressing.

[anthony65]

I just don't understand China's beef with India.
Apart from the usual power struggle.

Outside the subcontinent, we have more in common with the Chinese than any other race.

For time immemorial we have traded and exchanged ideas. ie We gave them Buddhism and they gave us egg fried rice.:D

I'm sure influences from the West have a hand in all this somewhere, but surely with all the backstabbing India and China have suffered from the West they would have wised up by now.

I really do despair with these two, the dragon and the tiger locked in eternal combat. Really depressing.

Puppet governments?

[pinkfreud]

RAW? :rolleyes:

I wonder if they were aware of how that spells out backwards?

Wing? :confused:

Department, Ministry....

No, we've got to have wing if want WAR...



it's an acronym for Research & Analysis Wing (india's spy agency).


edit: sorry, i get what you meant but yeah :o

[mikey mikey]

We have to stand up for our Indian brothers and sisters!

[synergy777]

the war with china is prophesied in the kalki purana, its in my kalki thread.

china is an athiest country, they don't believe in god.

india is a spiritual capital of the world, and is allied with uk, usa and israel

thus india being a democractic country, is a target for communists, and muslim extremists.

india is israels biggest customer for military hardware, and israeli mossad train the indian special forces.

even osama bin laden wanted india to be his number takeover target, due to india's history, he wanted india to be in his islamic empire.

then you have the mumbai attacks, our history with islam eg 1000 years of war etc.

add to this russia and china will side with islam/iran against israel, india and the uk/usa.

if the global economy tanks like its gonna, war will be the option.

[anthony65]

the war with china is prophesied in the kalki purana, its in my kalki thread.

china is an athiest country, they don't believe in god.

india is a spiritual capital of the world, and is allied with uk, usa and israel

thus india being a democractic country, is a target for communists, and muslim extremists.

india is israels biggest customer for military hardware, and israeli mossad train the indian special forces.

even osama bin laden wanted india to be his number takeover target, due to india's history, he wanted india to be in his islamic empire.

then you have the mumbai attacks, our history with islam eg 1000 years of war etc.

add to this russia and china will side with islam/iran against israel, india and the uk/usa.

if the global economy tanks like its gonna, war will be the option.

Sounds like you're reading from the NWO script? :confused:

[pinkfreud]

the war with china is prophesied in the kalki purana, its in my kalki thread.

china is an athiest country, they don't believe in god.

india is a spiritual capital of the world, and is allied with uk, usa and israel

thus india being a democractic country, is a target for communists, and muslim extremists.

india is israels biggest customer for military hardware, and israeli mossad train the indian special forces.

even osama bin laden wanted india to be his number takeover target, due to india's history, he wanted india to be in his islamic empire.

then you have the mumbai attacks, our history with islam eg 1000 years of war etc.

add to this russia and china will side with islam/iran against israel, india and the uk/usa.

if the global economy tanks like its gonna, war will be the option.


i don't know if india is the spiritual capital of the world, but yeah- there's a lot of hidden history here. i've also noticed this report has come up just a week after indus valley scripts had been claimed to be deciphered http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76377


i wish there was info on the net about the 'asian illuminati'- i remember reading it once on rense but there isn't much i know about this supposed body. does it really exist?

if it does, it would make sense for china to do what it is doing (that's if it's true) and exercise more power over fledgling or newly formed territories.

india 'aligning' with usa/uk/israel isn't a great thing and we all know that. i don't know if this is one of those 'devil and the deep blue sea' situations, but the point is that china has been slowly but surely eating up territory around its borders.

whether this is to prove a point to the nwo is something i'd like to know more about.

[strengthofknowledge]

I just don't understand China's beef with India.
Apart from the usual power struggle.

Outside the subcontinent, we have more in common with the Chinese than any other race.

For time immemorial we have traded and exchanged ideas. ie We gave them Buddhism and they gave us egg fried rice.:D

I'm sure influences from the West have a hand in all this somewhere, but surely with all the backstabbing India and China have suffered from the West they would have wised up by now.

I really do despair with these two, the dragon and the tiger locked in eternal combat. Really depressing.

Its part of TPTB;s agenda man.. they want constant wars, struggles, and un organized people running around crazily... Everything negative in our world is positive in theres.... and viceversa...

[synergy777]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15124

kalki thread.

------------------------

i'm not reading the nwo script, its just theres plenty of info about the ww3, even icke mentions it in his books.

i personally want world peace, but lets be honest, china and russia are pet projects of the nwo, its controlled capitalism/communism, with the state/elite owning everything.

its all controlled conflict.

india is my ancestral land, even though i'm born and bred in england. india knows what will happen, thus it should be prepared to deal with aggression it suffers.

non-violent resistence will not be effective against missiles, bullets etc.

[pinkfreud]

add to this russia and china will side with islam/iran against israel, india and the uk/usa.

i forgot to add, russia has been india's oldest ally and provided the military with equipment and technology back in the days of the indo-china war. i personally don't think they will take china's side, also given that putin is an nwo puppet; but then you never know.

[strengthofknowledge]

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non-violent resistence will not be effective against missiles, bullets etc.

This is where your wrong. Non-Violent is the way. Why do you think a conflict is created in the first place?? So that BOTH sides MUST participate in the fight against eachother... and then theres a giant ritual... but if one side did something different... like lets say, makes a series of tunnels and vanishes when the war starts, then the opposing side wouldnt know wtf to do... then the other side sits a prays of Peace, Love and all that good stuff.... and they would prevail.. and if not, they would be with God.

Defend yourself if someone enters your home, or violates you in any way, but dont go out of your way to fight... make them go out of there way to fight you..

[runciter]

the war with china is prophesied in the kalki purana, its in my kalki thread.

china is an athiest country, they don't believe in god.

india is a spiritual capital of the world, and is allied with uk, usa and israel

thus india being a democractic country, is a target for communists, and muslim extremists.

india is israels biggest customer for military hardware, and israeli mossad train the indian special forces.

even osama bin laden wanted india to be his number takeover target, due to india's history, he wanted india to be in his islamic empire.

then you have the mumbai attacks, our history with islam eg 1000 years of war etc.

add to this russia and china will side with islam/iran against israel, india and the uk/usa.

if the global economy tanks like its gonna, war will be the option.

pact with the devil? who was behind the mumbai attacks? who controls monsanto?

[runciter]

Puppet governments?

who tf controls china? it would be nice to find some solid... globalist link.

i was unable to find out how the chinese monetary system works, unfortunately.

the chinese are clearly playing a key role right now, and are hardly an indipendent actor.

[anthony65]

who tf controls china? it would be nice to find some solid... globalist link.

i was unable to find out how the chinese monetary system works, unfortunately.

the chinese are clearly playing a key role right now, and are hardly an indipendent actor.

The usual suspects.

Who supported, funded Mao?

Who supported Red China in the Korean War?

Douglas Macarthur could have thrown them out of Korea, but he was prevented by the politicians. The Russians were allowed to supply North Korea via China.

Who pushed Clinton to betray American technology to the Chinese?

Up, up, up the pyramid goes and at the top they all know each other...

[bard]

i was unable to find out how the chinese monetary system works, unfortunately.

the chinese are clearly playing a key role right now, and are hardly an indipendent actor.

The Chinese government creates its own money, without foreign bank intervention.
Renminbi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read also chapter 27 in Ellen Brown's "Web Of Debt".

And why all this fear mongering? Last time I checked it was the Anglo-American-Jewish oligarchy that was running world affairs. The Chinese have a long way to go.

[runciter]

The Chinese government creates its own money, without foreign bank intervention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renminbi

Read also chapter 27 in Ellen Brown's "Web Of Debt".

And why all this fear mongering? Last time I checked it was the Anglo-American-Jewish oligarchy that was running world affairs. The Chinese have a long way to go.

ah wikipedia yes.

when i ask myself "how did it work in the soviet union?", i go there.

not to mention the fed, the bank of england, the eu central bank.

[anthony65]

Anyone remember the Beijing Olympic Games?

Plenty of Illuminati symbolism to see there.

http://www.theopenscroll.com/images/olympics/zionOlympicsLogos.jpg

Zion 2008 Zion 2012

Coincidence again... :p

Pesky things coincidences...

They're everywhere! :D

[runciter]

The usual suspects.

Who supported, funded Mao?

Who supported Red China in the Korean War?

Douglas Macarthur could have thrown them out of Korea, but he was prevented by the politicians. The Russians were allowed to supply North Korea via China.

Who pushed Clinton to betray American technology to the Chinese?

Up, up, up the pyramid goes and at the top they all know each other...

thanks anthony,

i remember reading about a mao/yale link, skull and bones anyone?

i think the imperialist infiltration goes back to the opium wars.

but i admit that i'm dangerously ignorant on this subject.

[anthony65]

thanks anthony,

i remember reading about a mao/yale link, skull and bones anyone?

i think the imperialist infiltration goes back to the opium wars.

but i admit that i'm dangerously ignorant on this subject.

The opium wars, and what a murderous evil concoction they were...

And still are...

Afghanistan...

[hadabusa]

Defend yourself if someone enters your home, or violates you in any way, but dont go out of your way to fight... make them go out of there way to fight you..
the art of war is to kill the enemy before he realizes youre there.

[jammasterj13]

the art of war is to kill the enemy before he realizes youre there.
Yep the Chinese are deffo using Sun Tzu's philosophies to the max.

What will my beloved Indias response be?

Send our Asian brethren a shitload of cyanide loaded Samosas. That'll teach em!:D

[anthony65]

the art of war is to kill the enemy before he realizes youre there.

Err...

We're talking about a potential nuclear conflict here.

Two countries with a combined population of about 2.5 billion.

So you're advocating that India launch a first strike against China?

Maybe the Chinese should get one in first!

But the Chinese have nuclear subs..

Maybe the Indians do too...

**

Your grandfather was a holocaust survivor...

Are you pushing some kind of agenda here?

Something to do with the Olympics?

[anthony65]

Yep the Chinese are deffo using Sun Tzu's philosophies to the max.

What will my beloved Indias response be?

Send our Asian brethren a shitload of cyanide loaded Samosas. That'll teach em!:D

:confused:

The Chinese have loads of nukes...

Your beloved Indian brethren would be toast.

***

But why should it come to anything like that?

Would China or India benefit from a war?

Or would the US/UK/Israeli war machine be the big winners?

Use yer friggin' brain will ya! :)

[jammasterj13]

:confused:

The Chinese have loads of nukes...

Your beloved Indian brethren would be toast.

***

But why should it come to anything like that?

Would China or India benefit from a war?

Or would the US/UK/Israeli war machine be the big winners?

Use yer friggin' brain will ya! :)
And so does India. Nukes that is.
The Chinese would all be Bombay Duck.

More dick swinging.:D

[runciter]

Mahabharat all over again.:mad:

can you explain? :confused:

[jammasterj13]

can you explain? :confused:
The Mahabharat along with the Ramayana are two of Indias greatest epics.

Like Homers Iliad and Odyssey on steroids.

The Mahabharat which the Bhagavad Gita is a part of, is a story of a great war involving all the Kings of the Earth and there armies, which results in the total annhilation of all participants apart from a few fortunate? Few.

There is archaelogical and historical proof that this happened the first time round, and atomic weapons were used in this war.

Google Mahabharat or wik, wikipedia it. There was a tv serial on in the UK in the early 90s with dodgy special effects, but the story was all there.

[runciter]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15124

kalki thread.

------------------------

i'm not reading the nwo script, its just theres plenty of info about the ww3, even icke mentions it in his books.

i personally want world peace, but lets be honest, china and russia are pet projects of the nwo, its controlled capitalism/communism, with the state/elite owning everything.

its all controlled conflict.

india is my ancestral land, even though i'm born and bred in england. india knows what will happen, thus it should be prepared to deal with aggression it suffers.

non-violent resistence will not be effective against missiles, bullets etc.

but isn't it something we (humanity) should try to avoid?

especially if we know that it's all controlled conflict, as you wrote.

icke wrote about their intentions, the future is not written in any book.

[jammasterj13]

but isn't it something we (humanity) should try to avoid?

especially if we know that it's all controlled conflict, as you wrote.

icke wrote about their intentions, the future is not written in any book.
There is no sense in having a major war between India and China.

But the depopulation PTB fuckers will be rubbing there hands with glee at the prospect.

[runciter]

The Mahabharat along with the Ramayana are two of Indias greatest epics.

Like Homers Iliad and Odyssey on steroids.

The Mahabharat which the Bhagavad Gita is a part of, is a story of a great war involving all the Kings of the Earth and there armies, which results in the total annhilation of all participants apart from a few fortunate? Few.

There is archaelogical and historical proof that this happened the first time round, and atomic weapons were used in this war.

Google Mahabharat or wik, wikipedia it. There was a tv serial on in the UK in the early 90s with dodgy special effects, but the story was all there.

yeah i know something about that, but how is it related to the present?

guys you're frightening me, looks like you're pre-programmed to attract WAR!

[runciter]

There is no sense in having a major war between India and China.

But the depopulation PTB fuckers will be rubbing there hands with glee at the prospect.

ok thanks for writing this :)

[jammasterj13]

yeah i know something about that, but how is it related to the present?

guys you're frightening me, looks like you're pre-programmed to attract WAR!
Nobody wants a fucking war r kid.

Go and get a copy of The Mahabharat from your local library, all will be revealed and its a damn good read. Lot of moral lessons to be learnt from it. ie the folly of war etc etc etc.

[anthony65]

yeah i know something about that, but how is it related to the present?

guys you're frightening me, looks like you're pre-programmed to attract WAR!

I have to read the Mahabharat and the vedas some time... maybe soon...

Don't forget that Blavatsky and the theosophists got lots of their ideas from India.

I wonder how China and India tie into Revelations and other end of the world scenarios. Red dragon and .... tiger?

The Indians are a fatalistic bunch apparently.

With the Kali Yuga coming to an end...

And nukes in their hands...

[lizzy]

There is no sense in having a major war between India and China.

But the depopulation PTB fuckers will be rubbing there hands with glee at the prospect.

Manipulating countries into war, funding / suppling both sides is the scum elite nwo way ...This could be a real possibility in the future culling of the world......

Whose side are we on today .. Eurasia or Oceania ? ......1984...could be in 2048.....taking down the populations of China and India would be their last massive blood sacrifice.

[jammasterj13]

I have to read the Mahabharat and the vedas some time... maybe soon...

Don't forget that Blavatsky and the theosophists got lots of their ideas from India.

I wonder how China and India tie into Revelations and other end of the world scenarios. Red dragon and .... tiger?

The Indians are a fatalistic bunch apparently.

With the Kali Yuga coming to an end...

And nukes in their hands...
I dont think the Indians are fatalistic at all, I'm certainly not.

How many Indians do you know Anthony?:)

We do however believe in Free Will and the Kali Yuga is not the end of the world where we all get shot down in flames. It's a cycle, every dog has to have its day.

Deep down the Indians are a pacifist bunch and are very peaceful at the core, when your surrounded by enemies who would like nothing better than seeing you all curried up, they have no choice to be all tooled up.

The Kali Yuga is a time to reflect on the dawning of a new age. A lot of lessons are to be learnt from the Kali Yuga, so hopefully we dont make the same mistakes over and over again like hamsters on a wheel.

[lizzy]

Nobody wants a fucking war r kid.

Go and get a copy of The Mahabharat from your local library, all will be revealed and its a damn good read. Lot of moral lessons to be learnt from it. ie the folly of war etc etc etc.

Your right, nobody wants war jammasterj13....but the nwo want a mass de-population this century...

and thankyou for explaining synergy's comment. synergy is a v knowledgeable guy.

[runciter]

Nobody wants a fucking war r kid.

Go and get a copy of The Mahabharat from your local library, all will be revealed and its a damn good read. Lot of moral lessons to be learnt from it. ie the folly of war etc etc etc.

i've only read the bhagavadgita once, and it puzzled me a little.

breathtaking read, no doubt about it, reaches incomparable heights.

but the basic idea... are there inevitable conflicts?

[jammasterj13]

i've only read the bhagavadgita once, and it puzzled me a little.

breathtaking read, no doubt about it, reaches incomparable heights.

but the basic idea... are there inevitable conflicts?
I dont think there are inevitable conflicts.
We all have a choice either to make love or war.
What would happen if soldiers just dropped there weapons and said we aint fighting your corrupts wars anymore?

We always have a choice. Free will is our birthright.

Wars start from a tidal wave of anger and hatred, and it starts from one person. The more divided humanity is the easier it is to start wars.

If we all recognised that we as human beings are all the same, regardles of skin colour and what not. There would be no need for the curse of War.

The Bhagavad Gita makes more sense when it is read within the context of the Mahabharat.

[lizzy]

Wars start when the rothchildes ( read nwo scum) want them !! A DE-POPULATION AGENDA.

[mrmoney]

They want to make nation states as weak as possible. Breaking them up is one of the best strategies they have.

[runciter]

I dont think the Indians are fatalistic at all, I'm certainly not.

How many Indians do you know Anthony?:)

We do however believe in Free Will and the Kali Yuga is not the end of the world where we all get shot down in flames. It's a cycle, every dog has to have its day.

Deep down the Indians are a pacifist bunch and are very peaceful at the core, when your surrounded by enemies who would like nothing better than seeing you all curried up, they have no choice to be all tooled up.

The Kali Yuga is a time to reflect on the dawning of a new age. A lot of lessons are to be learnt from the Kali Yuga, so hopefully we dont make the same mistakes over and over again like hamsters on a wheel.

how is the kali yuga supposed to end? abruptedly, or softly?

maybe we've already got past the worst phase, isn't it possible?

[lizzy]

They want to make nation states as weak as possible. Breaking them up is one of the best strategies they have.

yep....

[jammasterj13]

how is the kali yuga supposed to end? abruptedly, or softly?

maybe we've already got past the worst phase, isn't it possible?
We probably wont know when the Kali Yuga ends as it seems to me to be a subtle transistion into another Yuga.


Will you and I even be reborn onto this planet to witness this transistion?

If theres one thing I've learnt from Vedic literature, its not too take it literally, the yogis and there funky bunch described things in metaphor and should be treated as such.
Even the idols you see in Hindu temples and household are symbols and metaphors.

I agree with you on getting past the worst phase, jesus it cant get any worse than this can it? lol.

Other than our total destruction in a nuclear holocaust, or hostile ETs doing us over. But the Earth would still be here we wont. Life goes on.

[runciter]

We probably wont know when the Kali Yuga ends as it seems to me to be a subtle transistion into another Yuga.


Will you and I even be reborn onto this planet to witness this transistion?

If theres one thing I've learnt from Vedic literature, its not too take it literally, the yogis and there funky bunch described things in metaphor and should be treated as such.
Even the idols you see in Hindu temples and household are symbols and metaphors.

I agree with you on getting past the worst phase, jesus it cant get any worse than this can it? lol.

Other than our total destruction in a nuclear holocaust, or hostile ETs doing us over. But the Earth would still be here we wont. Life goes on.

i began to truly understand the metaphoric nature of myths reading some books about greek mythology.

it's an apparently obvious aspect, but it's not easy to grasp, not many people can explain these 'living ideas'.

they are so multifaceted, and full of meaning, our "rational" minds aren't accustomed to think in such a rich way.

p.s.

i will get a copy of the mahabharat next time i enter a bookshop, thanks for the advice :)

[jammasterj13]

i began to truly understand the metaphoric nature of myths reading some books about greek mythology.

it's an apparently obvious aspect, but it's not easy to grasp, not many people can explain these 'living ideas'.

they are so multifaceted, and full of meaning, our "rational" minds aren't accustomed to think in such a rich way.

p.s.

i will get a copy of the mahabharat next time i enter a bookshop, thanks for the advice :)
Got a link for you with regards to the telly production of the Mahabharat.

The actors are speaking in hindi but there are english subtitles as well. Enjoy!
Ther are over 90 episodes so happy watching.

Mahabharat Episode 1- With English Subtitles - YouTube

[rodin]

it's so convenient, considering all the neighbouring countries like pakistan, nepal, sri lanka and bangladesh all have an axe to grind against india. and india's RAW isn't any better- they've being creating a lot of disharmony in pakistan and nepal as well.

the maoist uprising in nepal can be attributed to china in some way; there was a catchment of chinese arms and ammo that had been captured in sikkim months back but no one guessed it would be this bad.

i hope this isn't true, but i can see signs on all 4 sides; kashmir in the north, the north-eastern states, the south being pulled into the sri lanka civil war, and now this. i'm also praying india doesn't do something stupid- coz that would be an excuse for usa to step in and play the mediator.

All smacks of the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit to me

Communism R Jews

long must read

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Douglas.Reed/The.Controversy.of.Zion/index.htm

[rodin]

The new divide and rule - censor the internet

China the model

[lizzy]

All smacks of the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit to me

Communism R Jews

long must read

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Douglas.Reed/The.Controversy.of.Zion/index.htm

I agree and China IS the model....

[runciter]

Got a link for you with regards to the telly production of the Mahabharat.

The actors are speaking in hindi but there are english subtitles as well. Enjoy!
Ther are over 90 episodes so happy watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySSw8CdjIYk&feature=channel

thanks!

after 90 episodes i'll be speaking hindi like a native, lol.

i will surely take a look, at the moment for some reason i can only connect to this forum and few other sites.

[lizzy]

I will watch this .it looks like an epic production......thanks.

[pinkfreud]

And why all this fear mongering? Last time I checked it was the Anglo-American-Jewish oligarchy that was running world affairs. The Chinese have a long way to go.

this thread wasn't created to incite fear or anything of the sort. if true, this is a serious issue that needs to be discussed.

your second point is yet another reason as to why we need to expand our horizons and look beyond the daily mail, bbc and other sources that tend to be cited here very often. yes, the zionist(not jewish)/anglo/american triad does run the helm of affairs, but imho the role of china has been undermined over time.

over the years, we have seen a gradual, but significant cannibalization of the territories around china's borders. it has as many as 14 border disputes with neighbouring countries, including india. to this day, it claims a north eastern state called arunachal pradesh as its own, as well as the north eastern tip of the state of kashmir- a place called ladakh, which is a popular tourist spot as well as a refuge for buddhist monks.

the usurpation of the countries to its east is also something to think about. i don't mean to sound typical here, but if the illuminati is pulling strings all over the world, i'm sure that's the case in asia. india is fast becoming a puppet as are other countries.

what makes china very 'complex' is that you have contradictory reports on the net either about its affiliation/opposition to the nwo.

i personally don't think its 'police state' laws, territorial bullying and secrecy as far as military budgets are concerned work in accordance with a country that is supposed to be fighting the forces pushing to enforce the very same laws around the world. and yet, we see instances where it vehemently opposes the usa, uk and maybe other countries; apparently the secret societies there are opposed to the illuminati, and perhaps its stance against india is testimony to this fact. maybe they strongly feel that asia is fast being thrown to the nwo dogs, and its time to take thinngs in their own hands.

my issue is that china has already become a state which gives its citizens little freedom (not that others are different, but it's worse compared to other states) and discourages critical thought- whether written, said, or heard. let's also not forget that a huge percentage of its exports have helped push economies the world over, and that it has played a major role in the (momentary) improvisation of the us economy.

is this a country we should take more seriously than we currently do?

i think so.


we should, because we seem to know more about the usa, uk and nations that are heavily ptb controlled; it wouldn't hurt to keep tabs on the developments in asia- more so in china, as much as we keep tabs on what's happening elsewhere. do remember that asia is a massive continent which is home to multitude religions, races, languages and cultures; any disturbance here would directly impact the world in some way or the other.

there is tremendous scope here to cause disharmony, panic and hatred. atm, china seems to be doing what usa is doing in the west.

that said, i'd like to know what you people think.

[jammasterj13]

Excellent Post Pinky.

It's true there's a bigger picture here, and China seems to be shrouded in mystery as always. I think they are hiding so many things, otherwise there would not be so many restrictions on freedom of thought etc.

Seek and ye shall find.:D

[pinkfreud]

thanks jammaster.

as an example of how we tend to undermine china's muscle power, here's an article i found while doing a bit of reading on this topic:


(though the source's* credibility may be questionable, it's worth the read)



Chinese Military On Rise In Latin America (http://www.rense.com/general85/chin.htm)


As China makes major investments in Latin America to acquire strategic materials, it is extending its military capability into the backyard of the United States.

China's military also has linked up with elements of Chinese organized crime elements as well as various terrorist organizations in Latin America.

"China's military planners have long advocated the dirty business of utilizing narcotics traffickers, international organized crime networks and terrorist organizations - such as the shadowy al-Qaida network - that could sap a great superpower of its financial strength, military confidence and national morale," according to Albert Santoli, president and director of Asia America Initiative.

"Latin America, and particularly Cuba's proximity to the United States and its radical leftist networks throughout the region, have provided Beijing theopportunity to utilize its strategic plan of 'unrestricted warfare' where the weak can defeat the powerful through unconventional means," he said.

With the Chinese military linked with Chinese organized crime, the Library of Congress in its report "Terrorist and Organized Crime Groups in the Tri-Border Area (TBA) of South America" echoed concerns of increased Chinese mafia activities in Latin America.

"Al-Qaida's activities in the TBA are reportedly linked to trafficking of arms, drugs and uranium as well as money laundering in association with Chinese mafia," the report said.

"The Hong Kong Mafia is particularly active in large-scale trafficking of pirated products from mainland China to Ciudad del Este and maintains strong ties with Hezbollah in the TBA," the report added.

"At least two Chinese mafia groups in the TBA - the Sung-I and Ming families - engage in illegal operations with the Egyptian al-Gama'a al-Islamiyyah." Also known as the Islamic Group, the al-Gama'a al-Islamiyyah belongs to the International Islamic Front for the Jihad against Jews and Crusaders, an organization established by al-Qaida in 1998.

Santoli expressed alarm that Chinese stevedore control by Hutchinson Whampoa Ltd over the Panama Canal under a 50-year lease helps facilitate the relationship among the Chinese military, Chinese Triad organized crime syndicates and terrorists groups.

Hutchinson is a giant Hong Kong-based shipping firm with ties to China's leadership and its armed forces, the People's Liberation Army (PLA). "The control of stevedoring of loading and offloading ships gives China the ability to bring weapons and countless illegal aliens into the hemisphere, including possible terrorists who, in partnership with Cuba and Venezuela, could prepare new terrorist cells to cross into the United States through our porous southern border with Mexico," Santoli said.

"The stevedoring also permits China to facilitate the transfers of sensitive dualuse military and hi-tech products and components back to China, and the transfer of weapons to guerrilla and narco-terror groups in the region without the scrutiny of U.S. Customs or intelligence agents," he added.

Peter Leitner, a Department of Defense senior policy analyst, underscored Santoli's concerns about Chinese control over the Panama Canal.

"If the Chinese mainland takes action against Taiwan, they will be able to manage the ability of the United States to move goods into the Pacific combat theater" as a result of controlling the Panama Canal on the Pacific and Atlantic sides, Leitner said.

Leitner also sees China's initiatives in Latin America as a way to offset U.S. influence in the Pacific Basin.

"We're definitely under siege on a variety of fronts by the Chinese," Leitner declared. He said the Chinese are looking to be the undisputed power in Asia, to gain access to limited strategic materials while containing the U.S.

"Episodes will be on the increase to force the United States to redeploy from Asia and away from Taiwan and to uncouple our relationship with Japan," he said. Santoli said the Chinese are engaging in "geo-strategic practices of asymmetrical warfare, using both ancient techniques and modern 'war by other means' targeting the 'weak exposed sides' of the United States."

He added that such activities have been going on for the past decade in Latin America.

"Chinese tactics are being used to gain political and economic influence, as well as military alliances and bases for cyber-electronic warfare," he added. "These developments are a critical challenge to the United States in a vulnerable resource-rich area on our doorstep that we have too often taken for granted." In this regard, Santoli said China was using Cuba as a sensitive military listening post to monitor broadcasts and telecommunications in the U.S.

He added that China's new military doctrine calls for "total war of politics, finance, electronic communications, trade supremacy, manipulation of financial markets and control of critical natural resources, especially scarce resources such as oil, cobalt and nickel, which are found in relatively few regions of the planet."




...more on the link.

*F. Michael Maloof, a regular contributor to G2B, is a former senior security policy analyst in the Office of the Secretary of Defense.






related: US Gives China Eminent Domain Over US Property (http://www.rense.com/general85/give.htm)

US, China must shape future together: Obama (http://www.rawstory.com/news/afp/US_China_must_shape_future_together_07272009.html)

[runciter]

about china's planned role, and about chavez:

Adios US: now China leads the world, says Chavez

John Garnaut in Beijing
April 10, 2009

MOVE over Washington. Beijing is now the world's geopolitical centre. So said the Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, this week on his latest oil-spruiking visit to the Chinese capital.

Mr Chavez also praised China's response to the global financial meltdown that has sent prices of Venezuela's key export, oil, down sharply.

"No one can be ignorant that the centre of gravity of the world has moved to Beijing," Mr Chavez told China's president and Communist Party leader Hu Jintao on Wednesday during his sixth visit to the capital.

"During the financial crisis, China's actions have been highly positive for the world. Currently, China is the biggest motor driving the world amidst this crisis of international capitalism."

Mr Chavez's comments developed a theme he had begun earlier in the week.

On Tuesday night he told reporters: "The unipolar world has collapsed. The power of the US empire has collapsed. Every day, the new poles of world power are becoming stronger. Beijing, Tokyo, Tehran … it's moving towards the East and towards the South."

Mr Chavez's comments have hit a nerve after last week's G20 economic summit focused world attention on the waning global clout of the United States and the waxing power of China.

But global power status also brings expectations, which China may not have the capacity or willingness to fulfil.

Earlier this week, Western powers were disappointed that China appeared to avoid leveraging its position as the only player capable of prodding or encouraging North Korea back from its latest round of nuclear brinkmanship, following North Korea's launch of a rocket capable of doubling as a ballistic missile.

The spotlight then turned to China's relationship with another member of former president George Bush's "axis of evil", Iran, after a US court indicted a Chinese company and its executive for supplying Iran with missile and nuclear technology.

A New York grand jury indicted the Chinese metals company, LIMMT Economic and Trade Co Ltd, and its manager, Li Fengwei, on 118 counts including suspicion of shipping 15,000 kilograms of specialised aluminum alloy used for long-range missile production from China to Iran.

Barely a day passes in Beijing without a world leader pulling up in their cavalcade at the Great Hall of the People to sign some agreement about energy supply or win-win strategic cooperation.

In recent months China announced or began constructing a gas pipeline from Uzbekistan, an oil pipeline from Kazakhstan and one from Russia, and negotiated multi-billion dollar gas and oil deals with Iran and now Venezuela.

Mr Chavez told Mr Hu he wanted to triple daily oil supplies to China to one million tonnes within five years, part of Venezuela's strategy to diversify oil sales away from the US, which buys about half the South American nation's heavy crude. China and Venezuela will also build four oil tankers and three refineries in China capable of processing Venezuela's heavy, sulphur-laden crude.

"Clearly the trend is towards China becoming a great power, you can make the case that China's already achieved that or at least the status of a regional power," said Denny Roy, a China watcher at the East West Centre in Honolulu.

However Zha Daojiong, professor of international relations at Peking University, says China's power is "probably overblown". He said China was being asked to play in a global system compromised by American moral and strategic contradictions - noting America embracing India despite its failure to sign the non-proliferation treaty and yet listing Iran as a rogue state.

with Associated Press

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13132

[runciter]

also a bit old:

India Predicts China War by 2017

Press TV - 2009-03-28

The Indian army has predicted a war with its nuclear-armed neighbor China by 2017 as Beijing continues to strengthen its military muscle.

A secret military exercise, called 'Divine Matrix', by the Indian troops visualized a war scenario with China, the Hindustan Times reported Saturday.

"A misadventure by China is very much within the realm of possibility with Beijing trying to position itself as the only power in the region," a senior army officer told the daily following the maneuver.

An Indian military's assessment has outlined that Beijing would rely on information warfare (IW) to bring New Delhi down on its knees.

Earlier on Wednesday, the Pentagon released a report warning that China was busily trying to arm its forces with weapons that can be used to nullify the superiority of any naval and air power that could disrupt the balance of region.

China is concerned about growing ties between Washington and New Delhi. A controversial deal allowing India access to civilian nuclear technology has not been well-received among Chinese officials.

New Delhi, meanwhile, is suspicious of Chinese relations with India's long-time rival Pakistan.

India and China fought a brief but bloody war over border dispute in 1962 with a decisive victory for the Chinese.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12939

---

why am i thinking about the arms deal with israel and the israeli military advisors?

[anthony65]

I dont think the Indians are fatalistic at all, I'm certainly not.

How many Indians do you know Anthony?:)

We do however believe in Free Will and the Kali Yuga is not the end of the world where we all get shot down in flames. It's a cycle, every dog has to have its day.

Deep down the Indians are a pacifist bunch and are very peaceful at the core, when your surrounded by enemies who would like nothing better than seeing you all curried up, they have no choice to be all tooled up.

The Kali Yuga is a time to reflect on the dawning of a new age. A lot of lessons are to be learnt from the Kali Yuga, so hopefully we dont make the same mistakes over and over again like hamsters on a wheel.

I've met a fair few Indians Jammie...

Just yesterday I met an Indian bloke and we discussed the end of the anglo dominated world. He was a bit shocked, but I was actually making the point that a multi-polar world, including China and India, plus Russia, Iran etc. could be a healthier place...

I still say that Indians are fatalistic! :p

They generally believe in fate, destiny, that things are meant to be, predetermined. Someone correct me if that's wrong!

That's the background to the caste system isn't? Accepting your place in the world. And the cycles / yugas are surely another example.

Fatalistic doesn't mean miserable. But merely accepting of fate.

That's how I meant it anyway.

I wonder if the younger generations of Indians are less fatalistic, less accepting of their fate.

[jammasterj13]

I've met a fair few Indians Jammie...

Just yesterday I met an Indian bloke and we discussed the end of the anglo dominated world. He was a bit shocked, but I was actually making the point that a multi-polar world, including China and India, plus Russia, Iran etc. could be a healthier place...

I still say that Indians are fatalistic! :p

They generally believe in fate, destiny, that things are meant to be, predetermined. Someone correct me if that's wrong!

That's the background to the caste system isn't? Accepting your place in the world. And the cycles / yugas are surely another example.

Fatalistic doesn't mean miserable. But merely accepting of fate.

That's how I meant it anyway.

I wonder if the younger generations of Indians are less fatalistic, less accepting of their fate.
I know what fatalistic means(shock horror,lol)

I don't know how old your Indian bloke was or whether he was a freshie or not.

But I tell you now us younger lot certainly do not subscribe to your beliefs. Far from it.
The younger generation including myself don't subscribe to the 'caste' system or the other old wives tales and cultural abnormalities, things are changing in India too, albeit a little slowly

I'd say my parents generation were a little fatalistic, and they too believe in kismat(fate) but thats coz they had to go through a lot more pain and suffering than we did and they had less choices than we did.

Peace be upon you Anthony.:D

[lightgiver]

I reckon its china that needs breaking up,along with all these silly super power country's.

Its all crap and the world is going to hell in a hand basket,all for greed and profit,what happens when it all runs out I wonder :confused:

[runciter]

found it!

Skull & Bones - The Bush's China Connection

by Unknown
(Posted here by Wes Penre, Sep 15, 2005)

http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/skull&bones-building.jpg

The January 26, 1990 issue of THE NEW FEDERALIST revealed even more about the Bush - one world connection. In his article, BUSH'S CHINA POLICY: SKULL AND BONES, Joseph Brewda writes:

"Jan 19 (EIRNS)--An obscure secret society known as "Skull and Bones" may have more to do with George Bush's obsessive support of Beijing's mass murderers than one may think.

"Skull and Bones is a secret fraternity at Yale University which is restricted to a mere fifteen student members per year. The society was formed in 1832 by General William Russell, whose shipping firm later dominated the U.S. side of the China opium trade. Yale University was founded by Eli Yale, who made his fortune working for the opium smuggling British East India Company.

"Skull and Bones became the recruiting grounds and preserve of the most important New England-centered families -- families who also made their money in the opium trade. These families, whose sons regularly join Skull and Bones, include the little known, but powerful, Coffins, Sloanes, Tafts, Bundys, Paynes, Whitneys. They are a dominant element of the U.S. 'Eastern Establishment' to this day. The Bush family is one of a cluster of lower-level Establishment families controlled by these interests.

"What has this to do with Bush policy towards China--or for that matter, Bush's "War on Drugs"? (Note: the last television news reporter to ask Bush a critical question concerning the many narcotics agents who are complaining about how bad the "drug war" was going, was promptly fired from his job shortly after the press conference - Branton)

"George Bush, the first U.S. diplomatic representative to the People's Republic of China back in 1973, was a member of Skull and Bones. So were his father, brother, son, uncle, nephew, and several cousins. Winston Lord, the Reagan-Bush administration Ambassador to China was a member; so were his father and several other relatives. James Lilley, the current Ambassador to China, was a member of Skull and Bones, as was his brother. Except during the Carter administration, every U.S. Ambassador to Beijing since Kissinger's deal with Mao Zedong was a member of the same tiny Yale cult. A mere coincidence?

http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/MaoTseTung.gif

"MAO WAS A YALIE - Back in 1903, Yale Divinity School established a number of schools and hospitals throughout China that were collectively known as 'Yale in China.' It has since been shown that 'Yale in China' was an intelligence network whose purpose was to destroy the republican movement of Sun Yat-sen on behalf of the Anglo-American Establishment. The Anglo-American "Establishment" hated Sun, because he wanted to develop China. On the other hand, they loved the Chinese communists because they intended to keep China backward, and were committed to growing dope. One of 'Yale in China's' most important students was Mao Zedong.

"During World War II, 'Yale in China' was a primary instrument used by the U.S. Establishment and its Office of Strategic Services (OSS) to install the Maoists into power. 'Yale in China' was run by OSS operative Reuben Holden, the husband of Bush's cousin, and also a member of Skull and Bones.

"The Maoists made China into the world's largest opium producer. "'Yale in China' was also closely associated with the New York-based Union Theological Seminary, which has been a center for U.S. subversion of Asia (literal wolves in sheep's clothing - Branton). Every prominent radical leader operating in Korea today, for example, was trained at Union Theological. Union Theological was dominated for twenty years by Henry Sloane Coffin, a U.S. intelligence executive from the Sloane and Coffin families. He was a Skull and Bones member as were a dozen of his relatives.

"Nor should it be forgotten that Averell Harriman, the former Ambassador to Moscow who did so much to build up the Soviet Union, was a member of Skull and Bones. Harriman was also a business partner of Prescott Bush, Sr., the father of Maoist enthusiast George Bush."

(...)

http://www.illuminati-news.com/S&B-China.htm

[anthony65]

I know what fatalistic means(shock horror,lol)

I don't know how old your Indian bloke was or whether he was a freshie or not.

But I tell you now us younger lot certainly do not subscribe to your beliefs. Far from it.
The younger generation including myself don't subscribe to the 'caste' system or the other old wives tales and cultural abnormalities, things are changing in India too, albeit a little slowly

I'd say my parents generation were a little fatalistic, and they too believe in kismat(fate) but thats coz they had to go through a lot more pain and suffering than we did and they had less choices than we did.

Peace be upon you Anthony.:D

But are you Indian?

Or are you British Indian?

I think there's a big difference from my experiences, although many Indian Indians are changing as well, becoming more Americanized / westernized / materialistic.

I'm not fatalistic to the extent that some are, but I do feel that there seems to be some kind of script that we're all following. A degree of inevitability about certain events, but with room for change, which I think is where free will comes into play...

** Fatalistic is one of the words that is often used in different ways. It often tends to have a negative slant to it, but it doesn't have to be. Most people throughout history have been fatalistic to one degree or another. "God's will be done..."

And it is relevant if some of the decision makers in India, Iran, Israel or the USA or wherever are influenced by fatalistic thinking. Often a twisted version that suits their own purposes, for example, those fundamentalist Christians who want to speed up the return of Christ by starting off a massive conflict that fulfils the armageddon expectations. Or their Islamic, Jewish, Hindu counterparts...

[anthony65]

found it!

Skull & Bones - The Bush's China Connection

by Unknown
(Posted here by Wes Penre, Sep 15, 2005)

http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/skull&bones-building.jpg

The January 26, 1990 issue of THE NEW FEDERALIST revealed even more about the Bush - one world connection. In his article, BUSH'S CHINA POLICY: SKULL AND BONES, Joseph Brewda writes:

"Jan 19 (EIRNS)--An obscure secret society known as "Skull and Bones" may have more to do with George Bush's obsessive support of Beijing's mass murderers than one may think.

"Skull and Bones is a secret fraternity at Yale University which is restricted to a mere fifteen student members per year. The society was formed in 1832 by General William Russell, whose shipping firm later dominated the U.S. side of the China opium trade. Yale University was founded by Eli Yale, who made his fortune working for the opium smuggling British East India Company.

"Skull and Bones became the recruiting grounds and preserve of the most important New England-centered families -- families who also made their money in the opium trade. These families, whose sons regularly join Skull and Bones, include the little known, but powerful, Coffins, Sloanes, Tafts, Bundys, Paynes, Whitneys. They are a dominant element of the U.S. 'Eastern Establishment' to this day. The Bush family is one of a cluster of lower-level Establishment families controlled by these interests.

"What has this to do with Bush policy towards China--or for that matter, Bush's "War on Drugs"? (Note: the last television news reporter to ask Bush a critical question concerning the many narcotics agents who are complaining about how bad the "drug war" was going, was promptly fired from his job shortly after the press conference - Branton)

"George Bush, the first U.S. diplomatic representative to the People's Republic of China back in 1973, was a member of Skull and Bones. So were his father, brother, son, uncle, nephew, and several cousins. Winston Lord, the Reagan-Bush administration Ambassador to China was a member; so were his father and several other relatives. James Lilley, the current Ambassador to China, was a member of Skull and Bones, as was his brother. Except during the Carter administration, every U.S. Ambassador to Beijing since Kissinger's deal with Mao Zedong was a member of the same tiny Yale cult. A mere coincidence?

http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/MaoTseTung.gif

"MAO WAS A YALIE - Back in 1903, Yale Divinity School established a number of schools and hospitals throughout China that were collectively known as 'Yale in China.' It has since been shown that 'Yale in China' was an intelligence network whose purpose was to destroy the republican movement of Sun Yat-sen on behalf of the Anglo-American Establishment. The Anglo-American "Establishment" hated Sun, because he wanted to develop China. On the other hand, they loved the Chinese communists because they intended to keep China backward, and were committed to growing dope. One of 'Yale in China's' most important students was Mao Zedong.

"During World War II, 'Yale in China' was a primary instrument used by the U.S. Establishment and its Office of Strategic Services (OSS) to install the Maoists into power. 'Yale in China' was run by OSS operative Reuben Holden, the husband of Bush's cousin, and also a member of Skull and Bones.

"The Maoists made China into the world's largest opium producer. "'Yale in China' was also closely associated with the New York-based Union Theological Seminary, which has been a center for U.S. subversion of Asia (literal wolves in sheep's clothing - Branton). Every prominent radical leader operating in Korea today, for example, was trained at Union Theological. Union Theological was dominated for twenty years by Henry Sloane Coffin, a U.S. intelligence executive from the Sloane and Coffin families. He was a Skull and Bones member as were a dozen of his relatives.

"Nor should it be forgotten that Averell Harriman, the former Ambassador to Moscow who did so much to build up the Soviet Union, was a member of Skull and Bones. Harriman was also a business partner of Prescott Bush, Sr., the father of Maoist enthusiast George Bush."

(...)

http://www.illuminati-news.com/S&B-China.htm


Thanks! :)

[runciter]

the rothschild link:

David Sassoon

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/David_Sassoon.jpg/225px-David_Sassoon.jpg

David Sassoon (October 1792 – November 7, 1864) was the treasurer of Baghdad between 1817 and 1829 and the leader of the Jewish community in Bombay (now Mumbai).

Biography

Sassoon was born in Baghdad where his father, Saleh Sassoon, was a wealthy businessman, chief treasurer to the pashas (the governors of Baghdad) from 1781 to 1817, and leader of the city's Jewish community. The family were Sephardim with Spanish origins. His mother was Amam Gabbai. After a traditional education in the Hebrew language, he married Hannah in 1818, and they had two sons and two daughters before she died in 1826. Two years later he married Farha Hyeem (who was born in 1812 and died in 1886). The pair had six sons and three daughters.

Following increasing persecution of Baghdad's Jews by Daud Pasha, the family moved to Bombay via Persia. Sassoon was in business in Bombay no later than 1832, originally acting as a middleman between British textile firms and Gulf commodities merchants, then investing in valuable harbour properties. His major competitors were Parsis whose profits were built on their domination of the Sino-Indian opium trade since the 1820s.

When the Treaty of Nanking opened up China to British traders, to the annoyance of the Chinese Emperor (Opium wars), Sassoon developed his textile operations into a profitable triangular trade: Indian yarn and opium were carried to China, where he bought goods which were sold in Britain, where he obtained Lancashire cotton products. He sent his son Elias David Sassoon to Canton, where he was the first Jewish trader (with twenty-four Parsi rivals). In 1845 David Sassoon & Sons opened an office in what would soon become Shanghai's British concession, and it became the firm's second hub of operations.

It was not until the 1860s that the Sassoons were able to lead the Baghdadi Jewish community in overtaking Parsi dominance. A particular opportunity was the American Civil War as Lancashire factories replaced American cotton imports with Sassoon's Indian cotton.

Legacy

Although David Sassoon did not speak English, he became a naturalised British citizen in 1853. He kept the dress and manners of the Baghdadi Jews, but allowed his sons to adopt English manners. His son, Abdullah changed his name to Albert, moved to England, became a Baronet and married into the Rothschild family. All the Sassoons of Europe are said to be descendants of David Sassoon.

He built a synagogue in the Fort (area) and another in Byculla, as well as a school, a Mechanics' Institute, a library and a convalescent home in Pune.

David Sassoon was conscious of his role as a leader of the Jewish community in Bombay. He helped to arouse a sense of Jewish identity amongst the Bene Israeli and Cochin Jewish communities. The Sassoon Docks (built by his son) and the David Sassoon Library are named after him. He also built a synagogue in Byculla.

David Sassoon died in his country house in Pune in 1864. His business interests were inherited by his son Sir Albert Sassoon; Elias David had established a rival firm.

David Sassoon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[pinkfreud]

very interesting info there runciter, thanks.

[anthony65]

very interesting info there runciter, thanks.


edit: where is the sassoon link to rothschild though?

PF:

What do you make of my observations about fatalism as part of the Indian mentality?

And also the difference between Indians and British Indians?

Two pages should suffice I think... ;)

[pinkfreud]

PF:

What do you make of my observations about fatalism as part of the Indian mentality?

And also the difference between Indians and British Indians?

Two pages should suffice I think... ;)


i edited my earlier post because i didn't get the rothschild connection till i read it carefully the 2nd time lol :o


anyway yeah... i think indians are fatalistic, in the sense that a majority do leave everything to 'fate' and karma. that's not very good, because it tends to hamper your determination and will to get something done to some degree. and though i'm a strong believer in karma, i don't think we are helpless or powerless to mould our own fate.

it's highly ironic because true spirituality actually teaches you to master your own fate, not be a slave to it. blind faith and religion on the other hand, does. that's where many falter, but that's just my view.

when it comes to china and india, i think it's obvious to see which one is more 'fatalistic' when it comes to its people and governance. china's intentions may not always be pure, but i've noticed they take matters into their own hands and pave their path.

india on the other hand does not do so to that degree. we as a people want to get somewhere- the thing is, we more often than not depend on fate, luck and blessings to get us to the point 'x' rather than become supertroopers and work towards a clear set goal.

this is just a sweeping generalisation and may come across as BS- but again, that's just what i think.





the difference between indian indians and british indians?

the brit indians have more money :D

[runciter]

pink, it's not only the fact that his son married into the rothschild family.

if you search a little, you'll find out that david sassoon was rothschild's man in asia.

so we have skull and bones directly operating in china, from the u.s. side.

and sassoon was working for the rothschilds and the crown in both china and india.

[rodin]

I reckon its china that needs breaking up,along with all these silly super power country's.

Its all crap and the world is going to hell in a hand basket,all for greed and profit,what happens when it all runs out I wonder :confused:

The mistake is to think of China as a country operating in its own interests. It is a vassal operating in the NWO's interest. Aka Rothschild-types (you should have heard Gaylord Mandelson on MI5 live this morning virtually giving Gordon Brown permission to be on holiday) and the Pharisee class who direct the occult imperative that self justifies their ultra racism.

Consider the operation to take down the West by the East. It bears all the hallmarks of planned destruction. Reports of Red Chinese secretly getting into US via backdoor channels were rife during the Clinton (some say illegitimate Rockefeller) era. Sherman Skolnick wrote extensively on this. At first his stories seemed too fantastic to be true, but as events develop more and more they seem to correspond with that which is transpiring.

I cannot stress the importance of The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed as an essential primer of history. Written fresh after WW2 by a hyper respected war correspondent, who had first hand experience including meeting all the leaders, and was capable of putting 2 + 2 together, it also gets all the more credible as the decades pass.

[anthony65]

The mistake is to think of China as a country operating in its own interests. It is a vassal operating in the NWO's interest. Aka Rothschild-types (you should have heard Gaylord Mandelson on MI5 live this morning virtually giving Gordon Brown permission to be on holiday) and the Pharisee class who direct the occult imperative that self justifies their ultra racism.

Consider the operation to take down the West by the East. It bears all the hallmarks of planned destruction. Reports of Red Chinese secretly getting into US via backdoor channels were rife during the Clinton (some say illegitimate Rockefeller) era. Sherman Skolnick wrote extensively on this. At first his stories seemed too fantastic to be true, but as events develop more and more they seem to correspond with that which is transpiring.

I cannot stress the importance of The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed as an essential primer of history. Written fresh after WW2 by a hyper respected war correspondent, who had first hand experience including meeting all the leaders, and was capable of putting 2 + 2 together, it also gets all the more credible as the decades pass.

I occasionally get the odd flash of intuition or simply ideas that float around and turn out much later to be relvant.

Back in the 1980's I remember thinking quite a few times what China would do with the massive surplus of males due to the one child policy. One thought was that they could create a massive army...

Back then China was technologically poor, but since then, thanks in part to Bill Clinton and other Americans who gave away US technology to the Chinese, they are now technologically very advanced.

Mandy is about to visit China soon isn't he?

China is associated with the colour red: The Red Shields / Rothschilds must feel quite at home there.

[runciter]

i edited my earlier post because i didn't get the rothschild connection till i read it carefully the 2nd time lol :o


anyway yeah... i think indians are fatalistic, in the sense that a majority do leave everything to 'fate' and karma. that's not very good, because it tends to hamper your determination and will to get something done to some degree. and though i'm a strong believer in karma, i don't think we are helpless or powerless to mould our own fate.

it's highly ironic because true spirituality actually teaches you to master your own fate, not be a slave to it. blind faith and religion on the other hand, does. that's where many falter, but that's just my view.

when it comes to china and india, i think it's obvious to see which one is more 'fatalistic' when it comes to its people and governance. china's intentions may not always be pure, but i've noticed they take matters into their own hands and pave their path.

india on the other hand does not do so to that degree. we as a people want to get somewhere- the thing is, we more often than not depend on fate, luck and blessings to get us to the point 'x' rather than become supertroopers and work towards a clear set goal.

this is just a sweeping generalisation and may come across as BS- but again, that's just what i think.





the difference between indian indians and british indians?

the brit indians have more money :D

as i wrote earlier, i've only read the gita, and i know that it has enormous influence on indian culture... does it? in that case, i think it can partially explain the "fatalism" you and anthony are talking about, and that i spotted too in some posts here (and it wasn't left unchallenged, lol).

the tao te ching plays a similar role in chinese culture, i'm still trying to understand its "effects" :confused:

it's a book everyone should read imo, it's as subtle as the bhagavad gita is vertiginous (in my view).

not that the bhagavad gita lacks subtlety, or the book of tao lacks abysmality (is it an existing word?).

[anthony65]

as i wrote earlier, i've only read the gita, and i know that it has enormous influence on indian culture... does it? in that case, i think it can partially explain the "fatalism" you and anthony are talking about, and that i spotted too in some posts here (and it wasn't left unchallenged, lol).

the tao te ching plays a similar role in chinese culture, i'm still trying to understand its "effects" :confused:

it's a book everyone should read imo, it's as subtle as the bhagavad gita is vertiginous (in my view).

not that the bhagavad gita lacks subtlety, or the book of tao lacks abysmality (is it an existing word?).

You just reminded me of something...

I think it was synergy who wrote yesterday of China being an atheist country.

As a country, yes, but there are some Chinese who are very spiritual.

I love many things about China and I've met some wonderful Chinese people over the years.

I hope that the Chinese and Indian peoples will recognize and reject any meddling in their affairs.

[runciter]

I occasionally get the odd flash of intuition or simply ideas that float around and turn out much later to be relvant.

Back in the 1980's I remember thinking quite a few times what China would do with the massive surplus of males due to the one child policy. One thought was that they could create a massive army...

Back then China was technologically poor, but since then, thanks in part to Bill Clinton and other Americans who gave away US technology to the Chinese, they are now technologically very advanced.

Mandy is about to visit China soon isn't he?

China is associated with the colour red: The Red Shields / Rothschilds must feel quite at home there.

china is the great red dragon, nothing more nothing less.

in thomas harris' novel "red dragon", the villain's name was dolarhyde.

now, who hides inside the dollar? the red shield family maybe?

[runciter]

You just reminded me of something...

I think it was synergy who wrote yesterday of China being an atheist country.

As a country, yes, but there are some Chinese who are very spiritual.

I love many things about China and I've met some wonderful Chinese people over the years.

I hope that the Chinese and Indian peoples will recognize and reject any meddling in their affairs.

do the chinese have a traditional pantheon of gods?

or only legends and a spiritual tradition, that sometimes intersect?

edit:

i think it's easier for the indians than for the chinese, in china the z factor is almost invisible.

[jammasterj13]

do the chinese have a traditional pantheon of gods?

or only legends and a spiritual tradition, that sometimes intersect?

edit:

i think it's easier for the indians than for the chinese, in china the z factor is almost invisible.
The Chinese and Indian culture are so similar its uncanny.

They both have a pantheon of gods very similar to each other, kwan ti god of war, Skanda god of war, notice how Skanda is similar to Alexander and predates him.

The Chinese have a strong spiritual tradition in Taoism, I would not describe them as Atheist at all. Although Communism allows no gods other than communism

[jammasterj13]

as i wrote earlier, i've only read the gita, and i know that it has enormous influence on indian culture... does it? in that case, i think it can partially explain the "fatalism" you and anthony are talking about, and that i spotted too in some posts here (and it wasn't left unchallenged, lol).

the tao te ching plays a similar role in chinese culture, i'm still trying to understand its "effects" :confused:

it's a book everyone should read imo, it's as subtle as the bhagavad gita is vertiginous (in my view).

not that the bhagavad gita lacks subtlety, or the book of tao lacks abysmality (is it an existing word?).
My friend the teachings of the BG have all been but forgotten in India as they march headlong hand in hand with a new god called Materialism.

Culturally speaking, each region is different in the way it practices said Culture.
The region I am from we are very tribal and this reflects in the way we practice our Culture and faiths.

Don't confuse the BG with the Bible or the Quran, it doesn't have rules or regulations to follow, or you must do this or you will burn forever blaady blaady blah.. It is not THE book in Sanatan Dharma or Vedic literature.

If any literature has influenced the culture and way of life in India it is probably the Manu Samhita since ancient times.

The best way to understand India and any other country for that matter is to visit it.
India is so diverse and complex it confuses me sometimes.

[runciter]

The Chinese and Indian culture are so similar its uncanny.

They both have a pantheon of gods very similar to each other, kwan ti god of war, Skanda god of war, notice how Skanda is similar to Alexander and predates him.

The Chinese have a strong spiritual tradition in Taoism, I would not describe them as Atheist at all. Although Communism allows no gods other than communism

thanks, i had the feeling of a lack of deities in china, for some reason (ignorance, probably).

---

some more info on the sassoons:

THE SASSOON FAMILY

This family of Baghdad Jews is related by marriage to the Rothschilds. It represents the Rothschild power in India and China.

Sir P. A. Sassoon, Bart., married the daughter of Baron Gustave de Rothschild in 1887, and had two children, Sir Philip Sassoon and the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. Lady Sassoon was a member of the “Souls,” the notorious gang of which Balfour and Margot Tennant were members.

Leopold Rothschild married a Perugia, sister of Mrs. Arthur Sassoon.

As stated elsewhere, Sir Philip Sassoon was the bosom friend of the war-mongering politician Anthony Eden. Sir Philip was Field-Marshal Haig’s Private Secretary throughout the Great War; Private Secretary to Lloyd George at the Peace Conference; and was “British” representative at the League of Nations discussion in 1933 as to the possibilities of forming an International Air-Force. He was a constant associate of the Duke of Windsor when the latter was Prince of Wales.

King Edward VII. became familiar with the Sassoon family, setting the bad example to his grandson. He was a wedding-guest at the Rothschild-Sassoon marriage.

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/The_Rothschilds_Leese.htm

[anthony65]

My friend the teachings of the BG have all been but forgotten in India as they march headlong hand in hand with a new god called Materialism.

Culturally speaking, each region is different in the way it practices said Culture.
The region I am from we are very tribal and this reflects in the way we practice our Culture and faiths.

Don't confuse the BG with the Bible or the Quran, it doesn't have rules or regulations to follow, or you must do this or you will burn forever blaady blaady blah.. It is not THE book in Sanatan Dharma or Vedic literature.

If any literature has influenced the culture and way of life in India it is probably the Manu Samhita since ancient times.

The best way to understand India and any other country for that matter is to visit it.
India is so diverse and complex it confuses me sometimes.

Trying to discuss China and India in a thread like this is not easy given the depth of history, culture and diversity of both countries, and the macchiavellian influences who have dabbled there for so long...

But most of us will learn a few things so it's worth the effort! :)

[anthony65]

Always a good place to start...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/

They don't have a specific entry for China, but there are a few relevant bits to research with a glass of red wine on a Summer's evening! :)

[deem]

the war with china is prophesied in the kalki purana, its in my kalki thread.

china is an athiest country, they don't believe in god.

india is a spiritual capital of the world, and is allied with uk, usa and israel

thus india being a democractic country, is a target for communists, and muslim extremists.

india is israels biggest customer for military hardware, and israeli mossad train the indian special forces.

even osama bin laden wanted india to be his number takeover target, due to india's history, he wanted india to be in his islamic empire.

then you have the mumbai attacks, our history with islam eg 1000 years of war etc.

add to this russia and china will side with islam/iran against israel, india and the uk/usa.

if the global economy tanks like its gonna, war will be the option.Anything that is prophesied, turns out to read like the bloodlines timetable. I wouldnt be surprised if they wrote all of them.:D

[runciter]

My friend the teachings of the BG have all been but forgotten in India as they march headlong hand in hand with a new god called Materialism.

Culturally speaking, each region is different in the way it practices said Culture.
The region I am from we are very tribal and this reflects in the way we practice our Culture and faiths.

Don't confuse the BG with the Bible or the Quran, it doesn't have rules or regulations to follow, or you must do this or you will burn forever blaady blaady blah.. It is not THE book in Sanatan Dharma or Vedic literature.

If any literature has influenced the culture and way of life in India it is probably the Manu Samhita since ancient times.

The best way to understand India and any other country for that matter is to visit it.
India is so diverse and complex it confuses me sometimes.

thanks for your explanations :)

if there's a country i'd like to visit it's india, i perceive something familiar in indian people.

yes, there's also something i'm unable to grasp, probably because of my "western" upbringing.

[runciter]

Tyring to discuss China and India in a thread like this is not easy given the depth of history, culture and diversity of both countries, and the macchiavellian influences who have dabbled their for so long...

But most of us will learn a few things so it's worth the effort! :)

undoubtedly, just think about how many they are, it's almost unbelievable.

[killerzzs]

you people are living in fantasy world.


india is no longer the spiritual beacon of antiquity, thats orientalist fiction/dogpoo.



mother india has opened up her legs for the anglo zionist agenda like no other nation on this planet.

what else explains its cosy induction into the anglo zionist club??!?!?!


close cooperation with israel
the nuclear deal
economic help
military access to western technologies


all this indicates that india is happy to be the obedient little creature and act as a buffer to china

FORGET ABOUT THIS STORY, ITS INDIA WHO IS TRYING TO BREAK UP PAKISTAN

LISTEN TO THE HATE THE AVERAGE INDIAN HAS FOR PAKISTAN, THEY OPENLY TALK ABOUT SPLITTING PAKISTAN UP, ITS THE NATIONAL HOBBY.





Khan of Kalat raises the stakes

QUETTA: The Khan of Kalat, Mir Suleman Dawood, announced on Tuesday formation of a council for ‘independent Balochistan’ and rejected any reconciliation with the government of Pakistan without the mediation of European Union and United Nations.



He said he was enjoying the support of ‘friendly’ and ‘like-minded’ countries who had promised all help and cooperation.



i have said this many times

people need to wake up

the ENDGAME is with china, BUT the real game right now is going on with pakistan!!!!!!!!!

india, along with its anglo zionist handlers is happy to help PAKISTAN SPLIT

INDIA IS HELPING/FUNDING TERRORISTS IN AFGHANISTAN AND BALUCHISTAN

WAKE UP.

[anthony65]

According to Rudolf Steiner, Lucifer is supposed to have incarnated in China a couple of thousand years before Jesus Christ incarnated. Again, according to Steiner, there is supposed to be a new incarnation... Ahriman in our days.

I wonder who else believes in these ideas and what part they have to play right now. Whether you believe in these ideas or not is irrelevant if there are movers and shakers who do.

So according to Steiner there is a strong link between Lucifer and China.

** Interesting that Tolkien used a similar concept in the Lord of the Rings. Two bad guys, Sauron and Saruman, pitted against Gandalf.

In one version of the Lord of the Rings, I don't know if it was the cartoon or a radio version, I remember them missing out the "S" when they said Saruman. I thought that was odd back then, but when I heard of "Ahriman" it made sense.

[rodin]

thanks for your explanations :)

if there's a country i'd like to visit it's india, i perceive something familiar in indian people.

yes, there's also something i'm unable to grasp, probably because of my "western" upbringing.

I have a number of Indian e-friends

Intelligent, a moral mixture. Some very virtuous, some scammers, like everywhere.

edit

Unlike the Chinese who are hard to read, you feel you can get to know Indians

[ozpixie]

I just don't understand China's beef with India.
Apart from the usual power struggle.

Outside the subcontinent, we have more in common with the Chinese than any other race.

For time immemorial we have traded and exchanged ideas. ie We gave them Buddhism and they gave us egg fried rice.:D

I'm sure influences from the West have a hand in all this somewhere, but surely with all the backstabbing India and China have suffered from the West they would have wised up by now.

I really do despair with these two, the dragon and the tiger locked in eternal combat. Really depressing.

Land mass?

[killerzzs]

Land mass?

thats a better answer.

you people are still living in some imperialist fantasy land with fantasy notions of india.

yes once upon a time india was a nation that had many injustices against it, BUT as soon as it came out of british rule india IMMEDIATELY begain a quest of imperialism

this is chinese imperialist ambitions versus indian imperialist ambitions

india has disptutes and troubles with each one of its neighbours - because it seeks to be the anglo zionist approved imperialist therefore INDIA NO LONGER HAS ANY HIGHER MORAL GROUND, SHE HAS SOLD HER SOUL




http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/images/0719-01.jpg



Indian Army used raping Sikh Women as a tool to investigate Sikh fighters - 1984


Indian Army used raping Sikh Women as a tool to investigate Sikh fighters - 1984 - YouTube

[pinkfreud]

you people are living in fantasy world.

i understand your concern, but this story isn't hogwash- and this shouldn't be made into an indo-pak issue because it simply isn't.

there are brutal accounts coming in from pakistan and atrocities taking place everywhere, but look at the facts.

the reason why i personally believe it's imperative for us to learn more about china's motives is- because i said earlier- it is slowly, but surely usurping territories around its borders; it is currently embroiled in 14 border disputes and if you read the related links i posted earlier, you will realize the impact and reach of china in continents as distant as latin america.

that china has a 'hidden hand' in africa along with the nwo nations is also known; it will take a while for me to fish out referential links, but i will in some time if you are interested. you can find them on raw story, rogue government, rense and other similar sites.

both india and pakistan have been used and abused by outside forces to bicker and fight against one another. it's high time people know that, and if the indian media loves bashing up pak, the pak media loves bashing up india as well. that's how media propaganda works the world over, and that's how it's always going to be unless we break the shackles we have been trapped in.

if land from india, bangladesh, nepal and other nations is claimed by china, i can assure you that pakistan will not be left off their radar either. it's a very manipulative game, this- and instead of pointing fingers and playing into their hands, we should make ourselves aware of the reality that's being played out here.

that's all i wanted to say.

[killerzzs]

i understand your concern, but this story isn't hogwash- and this shouldn't be made into an indo-pak issue because it simply isn't.

there are brutal accounts coming in from pakistan and atrocities taking place everywhere, but look at the facts.

the reason why i personally believe it's imperative for us to learn more about china's motives is- because i said earlier- it is slowly, but surely usurping territories around its borders; it is currently embroiled in 14 border disputes and if you read the related links i posted earlier, you will realize the impact and reach of china in continents as distant as latin america.

that china has a 'hidden hand' in africa along with the nwo nations is also known; it will take a while for me to fish out referential links, but i will in some time if you are interested. you can find them on raw story, rogue government, rense and other similar sites.

both india and pakistan have been used and abused by outside forces to bicker and fight against one another. it's high time people know that, and if the indian media loves bashing up pak, the pak media loves bashing up india as well. that's how media propaganda works the world over, and that's how it's always going to be unless we break the shackles we have been trapped in.

if land from india, bangladesh, nepal and other nations is claimed by china, i can assure you that pakistan will not be left off their radar either. it's a very manipulative game, this- and instead of pointing fingers and playing into their hands, we should make ourselves aware of the reality that's being played out here.

that's all i wanted to say.


thats more fantasy and you are blurring the lines.

india is strong and pakistan is relatively much weaker, therefore india is pushing home the advantage by advocating the anglo zionist agenda of splitting pakistan up.

that is the reality, that is what is happening


china would never conquer pakistan, thats fantasy, china and pakistan have shared interests as long as pakistan does not start working against china like the us wants it to.


china is no better or no worse than most nations in many regards, china is doing a world of good in africa, better than any western nation and you cast suspicion on it, shame on you.

the point with china is that it is evolving slowly on its own independent path, india will just continue to propagate the anglo zionist agenda, india is the israel of south asia.

[runciter]

india is the israel of south asia.

why were they signing that joint gas agreement with pakistan and iran then?

it was shortly before the mumbai attacks, and i think we agree on "who did it".

edit:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635820&postcount=75

[killerzzs]

why were they signing that joint gas agreement with pakistan and iran then?

it was shortly before the mumbai attacks, and i think we agree on "who did it".

edit:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=635820&postcount=75

but thats the thing, the ipi gasline is dead.

this pipeline would have been great as it would have allowed pakistan and india to have a reason to stay at relative peace with one another

but the anglo zionist block stopped this from happening so its dead if you look at the lastest news.

they dont want peace, they want war.

[runciter]

FORGET ABOUT THIS STORY, ITS INDIA WHO IS TRYING TO BREAK UP PAKISTAN


india or israel?

[runciter]

but thats the thing, the ipi gasline is dead.

this pipeline would have been great as it would have allowed pakistan and india to have a reason to stay at relative peace with one another

but the anglo zionist block stopped this from happening so its dead if you look at the lastest news.

they dont want peace, they want war.

it's israel that wants to break up pakistan, and plans to use india's military to do that.

[killerzzs]

it's israel that wants to break up pakistan, and plans to use india's military to do that.

thats not entirely true

israel and india have found a genuine combined need and are collobarating, india is no more or less guilty that israel, they have wanted to break up pakistan from the second it was made!!

[runciter]

thats not entirely true

israel and india have found a genuine combined need and are collobarating, india is no more or less guilty that israel, they have wanted to break up pakistan from the second it was made!!

without israel's and western intromission, there would be no true risk of war i think.

otherwise, why try to build friendly economic relations? and what price did they pay?

[killerzzs]

without israel's and western intromission, there would be no true risk of war i think.

otherwise, why try to build friendly economic relations? and what price did they pay?

yes, the west is fuelling this, but in terms of desire to achieve the same goals india is atleast as bad as the west, it was not capable or brave enough to do so when it did not have the west as a guarantor, now it does, there is no distinction, they both want it as much as each other, although for slightly different reasons.

[pinkfreud]

shame on you.


for what? refusing to believe what the media says?

wake up. you are reacting in the same way they would want you to.

india is stronger, yes, but that does not mean pakistan does not have support as well; you hit the nail on the head when you actually stated china backs pakistan.

india is secretly trying to 'disturb the peace' in pak with the aid of israeli support. and pakistan is doing the same thing in the kashmir valley with china's backing, as well as with the help of zionist-aided funds boosting islamic militia.

the nwo is backing secret operations in both countries. i'm sure you already know that. since i do, i believe it would be useless and rather immature on my part to indulge in a hatefest against a nation that's supposed to be an 'enemy'. we are all above that.

the situation is the same in both countries. no one is going to emerge 'victorious', because in the end the divide and conquer tactics the illuminati use so very often will go against all of us if we allow that to happen.

it's a win win situation for both powers (the zionist as well as the chinese) to use india and pakistan against one another and create pandemonium in the continent. did you read that previous post by runciter where mao tse tung has been a former member of the skull and bones? if you haven't check it now. he and george p. bush were tight buddies, as opposed to what the media would've wanted us to believe.


china is no angelic, goody two shoes nation- in fact, no country is. read this:

Chinese Military On Rise In Latin America (http://www.rense.com/general85/chin.htm)

US Gives China Eminent Domain Over US Property (http://www.rense.com/general85/give.htm)

US, China must shape future together: Obama




it's nice to have a healthy argument, but even better if it isn't based on a fixed judgment and an opinion moulded by the MSM.

[killerzzs]

and pakistan is doing the same thing in the kashmir valley with china's backing

you mean the same kashmir valley that has a higher rape rate than africa due to the indian army?

the same kashmir valley where the indian army systematically tortures and kills innocent kashmiri's?

india are the israeli's of s.asia, they want to replicate palestine with kashmir

you conveniently forget that.


with china i do not wish to defend them, they are by no means perfect, they still do some poor things

BUT

i am in favour of multi polar world, i am in favour of moving away form the uni polar world of the anglo zionists

this is yet another reason to chose china over india

china have done a better job of developing africa than the west has, they give the africans a modicum of dignity with 5050 deals (indian soldiers just rape african women), they are behaving more responsibly and fairly than the anglo zionist axis, ofcourse they have their own interests at heart but thats why they are a threat to the west, africans will see how much better the chinese are.

[skorp711]

you mean the same kashmir valley that has a higher rape rate than africa due to the indian army?

the same kashmir valley where the indian army systematically tortures and kills innocent kashmiri's?

lmao thats so friggin dramatic :D

u can wipe yo tears li'l pakistani patriot :p

[rodin]

india is secretly trying to 'disturb the peace' in pak with the aid of israeli support. and pakistan is doing the same thing in the kashmir valley with china's backing, as well as with the help of zionist-aided funds boosting islamic militia.

the nwo is backing secret operations in both countries. .

It must be realised that Communism and Zionism are Judaism's Bad Cop and Worse Cop (or vice verse_

[runciter]

It must be realised that Communism and Zionism are Judaism's Bad Cop and Worse Cop (or vice verse_

Q: I assume if the U.S. political, banking, and military systems are all fairly well under Illuminati control this would then also be true for Eastern Europe, Russia and other communist bloc countries as well. What does this mean for relations between the West-East axis? Was Russia, or the USSR at the time, ever the adversary it was made out to be, and was there a grand plan behind having Russia as an enemy?

A: Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded by the Illuminati, and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism. The Illluminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces, in the pull between opposites. They see history as a complex chess game, and they will fund one side, then another, while ultimately out of the chaos and division ..., they are laughing because they are ultimately beyond political parties. A top western financier will secretly meet with an eastern or russian "adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh at how the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was taught, and also observed.

When DELPHI met with ORACLE in Europe, (these are the head training groups for the northern hemisphere and european continents) the Russian, German, French, British, Canadian, and US trainers all worked together. In fact, this is one reason why plurality of linguality is valued in the Illuminati. I had to learn six languages as a child, and learn to converse with people from around the world. They are truly an international group, and the group's agenda supercedes any nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and forth of members in these groups. A russian trainer might come to the US for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa.

Q: China is starting to rattle their sabers and arming itself with nuclear weapons which are pointing at U.S. cities. Is all this occurring according to Illuminati agenda or is there still a fairly large 'uncertainty, random or x-factor' involved that is beyond the Illuminati's control?

A: I have been out for five years, so my information is "old news". But the military buildup of China is part of their plan. There are members of the group who are Asian, and very opportunistic. The Oriental Mafia groups are very much linked to Illuminati activity. The random factor in all of this is how the average citizen reacts. It can't be predicted, although Illuminati leadership will often invent different scenarios, and try to decide how they will act if the ordinary citizens react in an unexpected manner.

I was told that around 2020, the Illuminist agenda would be revealed openly. I don't know if this is accurate, or just propaganda that I was taught, or if they have changed this date since I was in the group.

http://209.85.135.132/search?q=cache:JOHyXJD1MJcJ:www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/part5.htm+china+illuminati&cd=19&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it

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"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."

- David Rockefeller, on record as stating in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73)

[sentient being]

it's so convenient, considering all the neighbouring countries like pakistan, nepal, sri lanka and bangladesh all have an axe to grind against india. and india's RAW isn't any better- they've being creating a lot of disharmony in pakistan and nepal as well.

the maoist uprising in nepal can be attributed to china in some way; there was a catchment of chinese arms and ammo that had been captured in sikkim months back but no one guessed it would be this bad.

i hope this isn't true, but i can see signs on all 4 sides; kashmir in the north, the north-eastern states, the south being pulled into the sri lanka civil war, and now this. i'm also praying india doesn't do something stupid- coz that would be an excuse for usa to step in and play the mediator.



Ha, that's quite funny. USA step in and play mediator. Who do you think is behind all this. Try London-Germany-Canada-Australia - VATICAN. Planned long time ago, with the unwitting populace helping them along. Yes how they must be a chucklin to see their plan unfolding, exactly as created.

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Ha, that's quite funny. USA step in and play mediator. Who do you think is behind all this. Try London-Germany-Canada-Australia - VATICAN. Planned long time ago, with the unwitting populace helping them along. Yes how they must be a chucklin to see their plan unfolding, exactly as created.

the vatican? :o

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list of popes

pius xii > close to the rothschilds

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/07jul/rothschildsnazipopepr.html

john xxiii > illuminati

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/JXXIII/schismfriends.jpg < handshake

paul vi > illuminati

http://www.destroyfreemasonry.com/antipope-paul-6-masonic-handshake.jpg < handshake

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Paul_VI_pictures/Masonichandshake.jpg

john paul i > poisoned (after 33 days)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=943&dat=19840611&id=VJUNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=s1YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1290,1838473

john paul ii > jewish

http://www.ovrlnd.com/Images/popesata.jpg < inverted cross

http://www.metronews.co.uk/news/s/600346_the_pope_was_jewish_says_historian

benedict xvi > illuminati

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/blair-pope1.jpg < handshake

[rodin]

Ha, that's quite funny. USA step in and play mediator. Who do you think is behind all this. Try London-Germany-Canada-Australia - VATICAN. Planned long time ago, with the unwitting populace helping them along. Yes how they must be a chucklin to see their plan unfolding, exactly as created.

I can tell a poster a mile off by noting what is 'conspicuous in its absence'

To get at the meat look for omissions in Wikipedia, then start digging

[killerzzs]

lmao thats so friggin dramatic :D

u can wipe yo tears li'l pakistani patriot :p

pardon me, i think state sponspred rape and murder are quite serious, dont you?

[sentient being]

I can tell a poster a mile off by noting what is 'conspicuous in its absence'

To get at the meat look for omissions in Wikipedia, then start digging


Oh my you're such a clever lad. With all your fancy fandangle words. Wikipedia???? Baaaaa Waaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[sentient being]

the vatican? :o


Perhaps you should take a look at this video:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[lightgiver]

The mistake is to think of China as a country operating in its own interests. It is a vassal operating in the NWO's interest. Aka Rothschild-types (you should have heard Gaylord Mandelson on MI5 live this morning virtually giving Gordon Brown permission to be on holiday) and the Pharisee class who direct the occult imperative that self justifies their ultra racism.

Consider the operation to take down the West by the East. It bears all the hallmarks of planned destruction. Reports of Red Chinese secretly getting into US via backdoor channels were rife during the Clinton (some say illegitimate Rockefeller) era. Sherman Skolnick wrote extensively on this. At first his stories seemed too fantastic to be true, but as events develop more and more they seem to correspond with that which is transpiring.

I cannot stress the importance of The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed as an essential primer of history. Written fresh after WW2 by a hyper respected war correspondent, who had first hand experience including meeting all the leaders, and was capable of putting 2 + 2 together, it also gets all the more credible as the decades pass.


I agree they are all in cahoots,it makes me sick to my stomach.:(

I mean just take a look at all the slums of India, china and the rest of the world,it absolutely stinks to high heaven.:mad:

and all these elitists do is line their own pockets and Murder,and rape the Planet in the process.

Chinas communist regime though really bugs the arse of me,they are really evil.
Top of the list and Chavez is licking their arse he is another Phoney.

It appears we cannot trust any of them.

They will reap what they sow,

Neither in the sky,

Nor in the deep ocean,

Nor in a mountain cave,

Nor anywhere,

can a man or woman be free from evil they have done.

[hadabusa]

Err...


Your grandfather was a holocaust survivor...

Are you pushing some kind of agenda here?

Something to do with the Olympics?
haha, man, youve missed the satire.
by definition , theres no need to serve time in deathcamps to be considered a hlololcost survivor.

:D

so, many grandparents are hlololcost survivors;)

hollymolly, the accusations here are worse then on pravda:eek::D

call me crazy, but i dont actually believe in atom bombs.

anybody else?

doesnt mean theres no wmds, but atom bombs , i dont buy it

[hadabusa]

Perhaps you should take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PFf5WJuqG0

yup, finally a good vid, mentioning the medici family.

yes, history leaves nothing but jesuits at the top of the secret societies.

not too hard too figure out.

the real jews role remains questionable to me, tough.

[rodin]

Oh my you're such a clever lad. With all your fancy fandangle words. Wikipedia???? Baaaaa Waaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

paid fool

[hadabusa]

paid fool
i doubt.
ran into some on the tube, most are better deceivers
:mad:

[sentient being]

paid fool


I'm in the money. La La. I'm in the money. Yee Haw:rolleyes:

[thelyran]

Break up India: Chinese think-tank (http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_magazine&opt=section&sectionid=86&ptype=video&videoid=56111&secid=42)

Headlines Today
New Delhi, August 11, 2009



China has been advised by one of its official think-tanks to tackle India by breaking up the republic into 26 parts.

To accomplish the mission, the think-tank has advised Beijing to use India's hostile neighbours. It has suggested that China join hands with the restive elements among the Assamese, Kashmiris and Tamils and encourage them to fight hard for independent statehood.

According to Chinese strategic affairs specialist Zhan Lue, the author of the 'policy', Beijing should encourage Bangladesh to invite ethnic Indian Bengalis to abandon Indian nationality and work towards a united Bengali state.

Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said India does not have the power to match China's resources in terms of military.

“China is likely to be more assertive on its claims, especially on its immediate neighbours. The traditional approach of matching division for division should be changed to technological advancement on the Indian military side. We should reduce the Chinese footprint in the Indian Ocean,” Mehta said.

Reacting to the reports former officer of RAW (Research & Analysis Wing) R.S.N. Singh said:


"In a totalitarian state like China, this kind of a report never comes without state approval. But India is fully prepared and has gone strides ahead since the 1962 war. If the Chinese think of any misadventure, they will be in for a shock."



Less than a month ago, Headlines Today had highlighted a disturbing prophesy by noted Indian analyst Bharat Verma that China would mount a blistering attack on India before 2012.





(-from the Headlines Today website.)

...To be honest Pink,the Chinese can flirt with any foreign policy they like...
besides the game behind the scenes,the Western world as been pouring in money,resources and infrastructure,for the last 15 years as a balwark against China.Your country is the frontline being used against them.

...and if this is a depopulation scam,what better way to rid one third of the human race,by pitting the two most populated countries on the planet against each other,hope I don't live to see the day come.Should'nt say that,
could be dead in a year:o...whoops!

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yup, finally a good vid, mentioning the medici family.

yes, history leaves nothing but jesuits at the top of the secret societies.

not too hard too figure out.

the real jews role remains questionable to me, tough.

your criteria to establish if a vid is good: does it support the ubiquitous jesuit theory?

yes, you have to ignore tons of information about jewish/zionist influence, it's not an easy task.

i mean, facts, historical research, not fascinating and well crafted (?) mystery stories à la dan brown :)

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good ol' makow:

Some Jews Have Always Exercised Great Power

August 9, 2009
by Henry Makow Ph.D.

http://www.henrymakow.com/menasseh.jpg

Even Jews have a self-image of a poor, beleaguered people. In fact, there has always been a powerful class of Jews who allied with aristocrats, and served as advisers, bankers, administrators, tax collectors, enforcers, doctors and tutors, becoming an elite caste of their own. They used their positions and worldwide contacts to dominate trade and become extremely rich. They rewarded their protectors handsomely.

Their role in the "Enlightenment" and Western imperialism has been discreetly veiled. The neo-feudal New World Order continues this cozy alliance with the Gentile elite. The concept of a "Chosen People" is ideally suited for a Luciferian plutocracy dedicated to colonizing the human race.

"APOLOGY FOR THE JEWS'

A famous letter, "Apology for the Jews" (1650) provides an unfiltered picture of Jewish power and influence 350 years ago. The letter was written by Rabbi "Menasseh Ben Israel" (Manoel Dias Soeiro, 1604-1657) a leader of the Amsterdam Jewish Community to convince Oliver Cromwell,(1599-1658) to allow Jews back into England.

Ben Israel's arguments for Jewish return probably were a formality since Cromwell was probably financed by the Amsterdam Jewish bankers. Nonetheless, he reveals much about the attitude and "condition" of the Jews at this time.

Jews have always used their "religion" as a method of gaining special privileges, including military exemption and their own judiciary. Ben Israel tells Cromwell that God blesses those who aid the Jews and curses those who don't. The Bible decrees that the Messiah won't return until "the People of God" have been fully dispersed to every corner of the world, England included. Then Jews can return to Israel and never soil their hands in trade.

The letter makes clear that elite Jews got world power the old fashioned way- they bought it. He says they are extremely loyal to Princes and Nobles and reward them generously. He mentions numerous Princes that welcomed Jews and says it is easy to judge from the trade they generated, "the profit that Princes and Commonwealths do reap, by giving liberty of religion to the Jews, and gathering them by some special privileges into their countries: as Trees that bring forth such excellent fruits."

The accumulation of wealth indicates "the favor of Providence," the Rebbe says, defining his religion.

"Profit is a most powerful motive, and which the world prefers before all other things..." Trade and commerce is the proper profession of the Jews, by virtue of their dispersion, and because God has given them a "natural instinct" that allows them to "thrive in riches and possessions" making them useful to their Princes. There arises "an infallible profit, commodity and gain to all those Princes in whose lands they dwell...."

The Jews have no equal when it comes to "merchandising" and "contriving new inventions." Wherever they go, trade flourishes. For example a Jew invented the "Spalatro Scale" which brought the trade of the Levant to the City of Venice. [According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, the Spalato Jews were highly favored by the Venetian republic, local trade and finance being almost entirely in their hands. Among the noted Jewish families were those of Pardo and Macchiero.]

THE SEED OF GLOBALISM

After being expelled from Spain in 1492, Jews dispersed to Holland and Italy. They aready lived in such disparate places as Egypt, Turkey, and India. There are three synagogues in Cochin, India where the Jews have tawny colored skin. Jews enjoy freedom and prosperity in Baghdad and Persia. In Constantinople, capital of the Ottoman Empire, "there is no Viceroy, or Governor or Bassa who hath not a Jew to manage his affairs and to take care of his estate." Soon they "grow up to be Lords of great revenues: and "most frequently" influence "weighty affairs in government."

The Bassa of Egypt has taken a Jew to be his Treasurer and by virtue of his influence in dispensing favors, he "grows very rich." Many millions of Jews live in the Ottomon Empire and in many cases "they are preferred before the natural Turks themselves."

In Prague, Vienna and Frankfurt there is a "great multitude of Jews" favored by the Emperors but "despised by the people." A far greater number of Jews are found in Poland, Prussia and Lithuania, Although the Cossacks have lately killed 180,000, there is still an "infinite number." All trade is in the hands of the Jews, "the rest of the Christians are either all Noble-men, or Rustiques and kept as slaves."

He says Jews are protected by all the Princes of Italy. They make their HQ in Venice where they possess "about 1400 Houses." [Trading companies?] They are received with "great Charity and benevolence" in Amsterdam where they draw a huge trade. They have "no less than 300 houses of their own, [and] enjoy a good part of the West and East-Indian Companies." In Hamburg, there lives a hundred families, protected by the magistrate though molested by the people." Jews enrich the native populations and there are many Gentiles that build themselves houses and palaces.

CONCLUSION

Although there was no official proclamation, Jews were tacitly allowed to return to England. The "British" Empire became a vehicle for the longstanding alliance of Cabalist Jew and Gentile aristocrat to achieve world domination. Now, American imperialism carries the baton, to be replaced eventually by a world government mechanism.

History needs to be rewritten in terms of the actual conflict that took place between the secret hand of the Judeo Masonic alliance against indigenous forces of Christianity, nationality, race and family. Culture today is Cabalist in character: pseudo mystical, solipsistic, and amoral. It rejects God, and deifies man and sex instead.

A distinction must be made between the rich Masonic Jews and Gentiles and the ordinary Jews and Gentiles that are their dupes and go'fers. Ordinary Jews have suffered as much as ordinary Gentiles from the megalomaniac vision of the Masonic elite. Masonic Jews guaranteed Jewish solidarity by ensuring that all Jews suffered for their sins. "Anti-Semites" were only too happy to oblige.

This is really about the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a tiny Lucifer-loving cult, and the serfdom of the majority of mankind, regardless of race.

http://www.henrymakow.com/menasseh_ben_israel.html

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After Britain’s First Opium War (1839-1842) against China, the real power behind the Chinese Emperor was the Soong family who were agents of the House of Sassoon, Jewish multi-national opium traders originally from Baghdad who were later forced to flee to Bombay, India. They obtained exclusive rights from Great Britain to market opium to Shanghai and Hong Kong from which the queen received a healthy share of the millions of dollars of profit. By 1890, about 10 percent of China's total population were opium smokers. In 1874, attention was drawn to China’s alleged pervasive decadence by members of the Yale School of Divinity – no doubt because of all that opium. So, in 1903, a year after the Japan/Great Britain alliance, Yale Divinity School established schools and hospitals throughout China – known as Yale in China.

The Sassoons preferred to run their financial interests from their luxurious English estates in order to socialize with royalty and other elites like A. J. Balfour, H. G. Wells and the rising Winston Churchill. In addition to drug profits and in order to exploit India’s cheap labor force, Albert Sassoon established huge textile mills in Bombay. This early-day outsourcing destabilized the Lancashire mills and devastated the English citizens who depended on the mills for employment. In 1872, despite this economic assault, Albert was knighted by Queen Victoria, both economically unaffected by the collapse in the textile industry. In 1887, Edward Albert Sassoon, son of Sir Albert, married Aline Caroline de Rothschild of the French banking family, grand-daughter of Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild, son of Mayer.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2008/11/03/the-power-elite-playbook-china-shanghaie-15

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In June 1932, Tse-ven Soong resigned as Finance Minister after failing to raise sufficient money to fight communism. He agreed to return if the government of China would resort to opium as a new revenue source which might solve China’s financial crisis. Consequently, millions of acres were taken out of food production which greatly impacted food-short China and reduced peasant survival. The worst famine occurred in the Shaanxl Province between 1928 and 1933, wiping out a third of the population. As many as six million lives were lost in four provinces.

Personal freedoms have been under world-wide attack, especially since the inception of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and its spin-off organizations which played a part in the tyrannical control in the Far East. In 1925, the Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR) was established in twelve countries. It was financed by the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations and controlled by an alliance of Morgan and Rockefeller interests in Wall Street. Other financing came from Standard Oil, IT&T, Vacuum Oil, Shell Oil, International Business Machines (IBM), International General Electric, Time Magazine, J. P. Morgan, National City Bank and Chase National Bank and private individuals with Wall Street connections.

Harry Dexter White and Owen Lattimore, both high-level State Department officials, were members of the IPR and planned the destruction of the Chinese economy. They falsified documents claiming that the Chinese Communists were simply farmers promoting agricultural reform. From 1943-49, popular U.S. magazines, like the Saturday Evening Post and Colliers, sanctioned the Communist movement. Mao Tse-tung, who had fought on the side of Dr. Sun’s revolutionaries in 1911, was portrayed as a reformer. In 1945, Lattimore suggested, to President Truman, a Communist/Nationalist coalition government which became the basis of Truman’s China policy, announced on December 15, 1945. Dr. Chi Chao-ting, who collaborated with Soviet intelligence agents, worked for the Institute of Pacific Relations, and subsequently became a high Chinese Communist official.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2008/11/03/the-power-elite-playbook-china-shanghaie-15

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interesting article:

Before Rockefeller, There Was Rothschild

By Deanna Spingola
27 March 2008


(...) Mayer Amschel Bauer, born 1743 in Frankfort-On-The Main, was the son of Moses Amschel Bauer. After his father’s death, Mayer served a three year apprenticeship at the Bank of Oppenheimer in Hanover. Because of his monetary skills, he became a junior partner. Mayer accrued sufficient money to return to Frankfort and purchase his father’s counting house located on Judenstrasse (Jew Street). The shop displayed a red shield over the door, the emblem of the revolutionary-minded Jews in Eastern Europe. Bauer adopted the name Rothschild, the German word for ‘red shield’ and the infamous House of Rothschild was born.

In 1770, Mayer Amschel Rothschild married Gutele Schnapper. In that same year, he retained Jewish-born, Adam Weishaupt, an apostate Jesuit-trained professor of canon law, to revise and modernize Illuminism, the worship of Satan, with the objective of world domination and the imposition of the Luciferian ideology “upon what would remain of the human race” after a final orchestrated social-cataclysm. In 1773, Mayer summoned twelve wealthy men to Frankfort and asked them to pool their resources, then presented the 25-point plan that would enable them to gain control of the wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.


Those 25 points are:

1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.

2. Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power.

3. Initiate class warfare.

4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.

5. Dismantle “existing forces of order and regulation.” Reconstruct all existing institutions.”

6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it.

7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.”

8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by “agenteurs” to corrupt the youth.

9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.

10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.

11. Choose candidates for public office who will be “servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game.”

12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.

13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.

14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.

15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).

16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.

17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. “The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards... That is of no consequence.”

18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.

19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing “the secret power behind national and international affairs.”

20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash.”

21. Use economic warfare. Rob the "Goyim" of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.

22. “Make the 'Goyim' destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest.”

23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.

24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.

25. Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.


Weishaupt, financed by Rothschild, had begun infiltrating the well-established Continental Order of Freemasons with this satanical doctrine. Weishaupt recruited 2,000 agents, “the most intelligent men in the field of arts and letters, education, science, finance, and industry.” Weishaupt instructed these well-paid individuals on the best methods of bribing, manipulating and controlling people and the press.

Weishaupt reorganized the Illuminati by May 1, 1776. The word Illuminati, derived from Lucifer, means “holder of the light.” The plan deceptively uses the phrase “peace on earth” and necessitates the destruction of all existing governments and religions through a process of “dividing the masses into opposing camps in ever increasing numbers on political, social, economic, and other issues.” People would “fight and weaken themselves and gradually destroy national governments and religious institutions.” (...)


http://www.spingola.com/before_rockefeller.htm

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1973. After a trip to China, David Rockefeller praised Mao Tse-tung who had slaughtered over 40 million people. His report, "From a China Traveler," highlights the goals presented in UN reports such as "The Commission on Global Governance" and UNESCO's Our Creative Diversity. Both focus on lofty ideals such as peace, harmony and unity in the communitarian "global" village -- a vision that demands absolute control and universal participation in facilitated small groups (modeled by the hierarchy of "soviets" or councils in Communist lands):

"One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony.... Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded... in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive....The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose.... The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." New York Times, 8-10-1973.

1974. In his book, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Anthony Sutton "documented the fact that Rockefeller and Morgan banks provided the Bolsheviks with loans, while American industry provided them with the plants and the technology thy needed. Westinghouse, Henry Ford, Averill Harriman, Armand Hammer, Exxon, and other American firms built the infrastructure that allowed the Soviet Union to survive." Dr. Stanley Monteith, Brotherhood of Darkness (Oklahoma City: Hearthstone Publishing, 2000), page 71.

1979. Supported by the Rockefeller Foundation, the National Institute of Education and the U.S. Department of Education, Schooling for A Global Age is published. In the Preface, John Goodlad wrote: "Enlightened social engineering is required to face situations that demand global action now. Education is a long-term solution.... Parents and the general public must be reached also... Otherwise, children and youth enrolled in globally oriented programs may find themselves in conflict with values assumed in the home. And then the educational institution frequently comes under scrutiny and must pull back." Cuddy 65.

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/rockefeller-mind-control.htm

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http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/World_Order_Cercle_Pilgrims_1001.gif

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=617512

[runciter]

Perhaps you should take a look at this video:

:)

[runciter]

The mistake is to think of China as a country operating in its own interests. It is a vassal operating in the NWO's interest. Aka Rothschild-types (you should have heard Gaylord Mandelson on MI5 live this morning virtually giving Gordon Brown permission to be on holiday) and the Pharisee class who direct the occult imperative that self justifies their ultra racism.

Consider the operation to take down the West by the East. It bears all the hallmarks of planned destruction. Reports of Red Chinese secretly getting into US via backdoor channels were rife during the Clinton (some say illegitimate Rockefeller) era. Sherman Skolnick wrote extensively on this. At first his stories seemed too fantastic to be true, but as events develop more and more they seem to correspond with that which is transpiring.

I cannot stress the importance of The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed as an essential primer of history. Written fresh after WW2 by a hyper respected war correspondent, who had first hand experience including meeting all the leaders, and was capable of putting 2 + 2 together, it also gets all the more credible as the decades pass.

For a long time, RAHM EMANUEL was Clinton White House Senior Advisor and top campaign fund-raiser using apparently strong-arm tactics or even blackmail. In a PBS-outlet program, broadcast in Chicago on WTTW-TV, Channel 11, Rahm Emanuel, on-camera, showed how influential he was with Clinton that Rahm's desk was the closest to the Oval Office. Intelligence sources contend Rahm Emanuel, in effect, is and has been the reputed Deputy Chief, for NORTH AMERICA, of Israeli Intelligence, the Mossad [The Institute]. And why do some contend that Monica Lewinsky, her parents, and others surrounding Clinton in the sex episode, dealt with a Nazi-like specialty, luring someone into a sex "honey pot" and that these are all reportedly Israeli intelligence assets?

AND, the Mossad has had unholy arrangements with the Red Chinese on nuclear secrets, contradicted by the fact that the Red Chinese have supplied Silkworm Missiles to sworn enemies of Israel. After supposedly leaving the Clinton White House, Rahm Emanuel has become a bigshot on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, which has reportedly laundered billions of dollars, for Clinton and his handlers and controllers, including Red Chinese and ethnic Chinese [Indonesia] illicit funds from dope trafficking from S.W. China into the U.S., through Chicago, of "China White", high purity heroin. Also illicit funds from the harvesting of human body parts, on a just-when-needed basis from political prisoners, condemned to death when the hearts, liver, lungs, kidneys, etc., are needed by greedy U.S. hospitals. {As a producer/moderator of a public access Cable TV Show in Chicago, I am planning a one-hour show on this dirty, bloody business. By the way, the political prisoners are beheaded so as not to damage the body parts. Prominent doctors and hospitals are in this rotten traffic, bought and sold like parts of a car.]

Rahm Emanuel is no stranger apparently to murder. His father reportedly was part of the assassination team in 1948, that slaughtered UN Official, Count Bernadotte, during the Palestine Partition controversy.

Another suspected receiver reportedly of Chinese "business" money suitcases is Clinton White House honcho Samuel "Sandy" Berger.

http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/1999/ss052699.htm

[hadabusa]

your criteria to establish if a vid is good: does it support the ubiquitous jesuit theory?

yes, you have to ignore tons of information about jewish/zionist influence, it's not an easy task.

i mean, facts, historical research, not fascinating and well crafted (?) mystery stories à la dan brown :)
same could be said for you.

look,ive said the actual role of the jews is a mystery to me.
it could be that they are actually behind all, im not saying its impossible .
no, i dont ignore jew influence, its just this vid that doesnt cover it.ok?
its not my vid, dont get sand in there,ok.
i said the vid is good because it goes back to the medici dynasty .
not jesuits, dont twist my statements to make me look like a fool.
its prone to backfire.
im saying history supports jews are just parts of the cartell, not the top.
my opinion.

oh,your list, is that representative?lol

[hadabusa]

wasnt the alleged goal to destroy all govt?

dont be too full of yourself, have a cup of reality.
neither you nor me know jackshit really, you quote stuff , add link to authors/sources who write about secret societies.keyword secret, so source is lol.
then, you go and badmouth who doesnt supports your CLAIMS, be real, youre not involved nor you havent been there.
i, obviously cant know either.
so, both study history and come to conclusion.
i think something might be possible, stay open to good input.
whilst you go and present your conclusion as truth, the rest is *dan brown*

whats your fantasy, becoming DI forum council on truth?

[runciter]

same could be said for you.

look,ive said the actual role of the jews is a mystery to me.
it could be that they are actually behind all, im not saying its impossible .
no, i dont ignore jew influence, its just this vid that doesnt cover it.ok?
its not my vid, dont get sand in there,ok.
i said the vid is good because it goes back to the medici dynasty .
not jesuits, dont twist my statements to make me look like a fool.
its prone to backfire.
im saying history supports jews are just parts of the cartell, not the top.
my opinion.

oh,your list, is that representative?lol

jews are not on top, if they are on top they aren't true jews.

wasnt the alleged goal to destroy all govt?

dont be too full of yourself, have a cup of reality.
neither you nor me know jackshit really, you quote stuff , add link to authors/sources who write about secret societies.keyword secret, so source is lol.
then, you go and badmouth who doesnt supports your CLAIMS, be real, youre not involved nor you havent been there.
i, obviously cant know either.
so, both study history and come to conclusion.
i think something might be possible, stay open to good input.
whilst you go and present your conclusion as truth, the rest is *dan brown*

whats your fantasy, becoming DI forum council on truth?

thanks for your insightful contribution, feel free to challenge the information :)

what didn't convince you exactly?

[transcendental stallion]

Why does China want to act aggresively against India? What have the indians done lately other than focus on Pakistan? This could be a trick. Get Pakistan and India fighting while you support Pakistan knowing India would still win. India get nuked and Pakistan also while China pick up Kashmir and the rest of the pieces.

[runciter]

Oil is the most lucrative business after banking and cocaine trafficking but it depends on a reliable price structure. That is, consumers have had to be persuaded that oil is rather scarce and hard to find to justify ever-rising oil prices. Rothschild's American banking and oil commissar, John D. Rockefeller, planted the idea that oil supplies were short and in danger of drying up at any time. This myth was exploded on January 10, 1901 near Beaumont, Texas when the massive Spindletop well blew out. That monster produced around four million barrels of oil and ended Rockefeller's Standard Oil monopoly on oil prices, based on his Indiana and Ohio wells and his criminal railroad transportation practices. Spindletop ended the belief he'd sold the people that oil was scarce. Prices plummeted, although there wasn't much demand for oil at the time. There wouldn't be for a few more years until the advent of the automobile. A better method for control of raw materials - mainly oil - would have to be developed.

Oil Or Ideologies

It was at this time that the Rothschild/Rockefeller Group devised the best method of all to keep unwanted oil in the ground, where it would not threaten the price structure. Only oil owned by the Group would be exploited, and at very controlled amounts. The Group began in 1917 to place its agents in control of governments of countries whose oil supplies, if exploited, would hurt profits by lowering the price. Their first agents were two Communist Jews named Bronstein and Ulyanov, better known as Trotsky and Lenin. These ruthless characters murdered the entire potential Russian middle class and thereby prevented the emergence of Russian oilmen. Anyone with the idea of being a businessman was killed. The oil stayed in the ground.

European oil production was mainly in Rumania. Who can forget the wanton destruction of the Ploesti oil fields and massive storage facilities by the American and British air forces in the early 1940s? Our wonderful boys flew months of air raids against Ploesti. The German war machine switched to synthetic gasoline, produced by the gasification of coal. This was in fact a Standard Oil process, but we are not told about it today.

More Rothschild Protégés

China, of course, also represented a threat to the price structure if Chinese oil were produced. So the Group installed two more extremely ruthless agents in China's government: Mao Tse-tung and Chou En-lai. These two Rothschild boys slaughtered sixty-four million potential middle class enemies by 1964, according to the congressional records. There were no Chinese oilmen to come up with a Chinese Spindletop. They were all dead. We can just imagine how China would have blossomed under the leadership of Chiang Kai-shek, based on the performance of tiny Taiwan, which rose to number four GNP in the world in just twenty years.
The same thing happened in Vietnam, where the US installed the Communist Ho Chi Minh, who made sure that a Vietnamese Spindletop would never be produced. (Ho was a US intelligence agent during World War II. He sent his reports to the OSS from the Texaco office in Hanoi.)
In fact, every Communist dictatorship in the world since 1917 was installed by the US State Department either overtly, as in the Russian, Chinese and Vietnamese examples, or covertly, as with the Cuban example. Mainly, though, it has been overt and usually based on the "corruption" of an American puppet installed some years before. And the State Department is staffed in all important positions by members of the Rothschild/Rockefeller private ministry of war called the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://www.rense.com/general77/rule.htm

[runciter]

The UN was created by Rocky's Council on Foreign Relations, all paid for by Standard Oil. The next year saw China turned over to the Rockefeller/Rothschild agents, Mao Tse-tung and Chou En-lai. The latter had been educated at Rockefeller's Nanking University. Thus began perhaps the greatest human slaughterhouse in history, though which Communist party, Russian or Chinese, killed more millions is debatable.

But the Chinese upper and middle classes were wiped out forever. The lower class was terrorized and brainwashed down to a zombie-like state. There would be no oil production (or any production of anything) until my old outfit, ARCO, went into China in 1979, before it was "legal" to do so. Deals were cut and all of a sudden Chinese slaves started producing all kinds of things. But total Communist control was and is maintained. The CFR did not want Chiang Kai-shek running China and his betrayal and forced deportation to Formosa turned out to be a wise move. Just think what Chiang's China could have produced! His tiny, barren island (Taiwan) rose to number four GNP in the entire world by the 1970s. Horrors! French Indochina was a threat as well, oil-wise. The Communist agent, Ho Chi Minh, was subsidized by Rockefeller and made his political reports to the Hanoi office of Texaco. Ho was an OSS agent. In November, '43 Roosevelt (at Teheran) chose him to be the next leader of the northern half of Indochina. The OSS groomed him for leadership and in 1945 foisted him on the Vietnamese people, who had never heard of him. Nguyen Ai Quoc (real name) had been in Russia and France most of his life. He was sent back home in the '40s to take over for Rothschild/Rockefeller. Bottom line: French kicked out, two American puppets installed in north and south, big war, millions dead, billions in war profits, no upper or middle class and NO OIL PRODUCTION. Some people who know that the Rockefellers have always supported Communism have never understood how Capitalists could do such a thing. It's good for business!

http://www.rense.com/general48/wag.htm

[rodin]

Alger Hiss and 'Harry Dexter White' later exposed as Soviet agents drafted the UN charter

In 1945, Hiss was a member of the U.S. delegation to the wartime Yalta Conference, where the 'Big Three' (Franklin D. Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin, and Winston Churchill) met to coordinate strategy to defeat Hitler, draw the map of postwar Europe and continue with plans to set up the United Nations. Hiss's role at Yalta was limited to work on the United Nations. Hiss led the opposition to Stalin's proposal for one vote for each of the Soviet Republics in the UN General Assembly (a total of 16 votes).[5] In the final compromise, the Big Three decided to give Stalin three votes in the General Assembly: the Soviet Union itself, the Ukrainian SSR, and the Byelorussian SSR.
Hiss served as the secretary-general of the United Nations Conference on International Organization (the United Nations Charter Conference) in San Francisco in 1945. He later became the full Director of the Office of Special Political Affairs.

Alger Hiss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Douglas Reed points out that Hiss and White operated with the collaboration of the highest levels in US government - meaning that the US and USSR were already run by the same group.

That group we know, an anecdote from the above link...

In February 1952, Nathaniel Weyl testified before the McCarran Committee that he had been a member of the Ware group in 1933 and that Alger Hiss was also a member at this time. His testimony corroborated that of Chambers, but Weyl had not testified at Hiss's trial, leaving Chambers as the only witness to testify at first hand that Hiss was a Communist or a spy. By 1952 Hiss had already been convicted. In 1950, after Hiss's conviction, Weyl wrote a book on the history of treason in America.[19] In the chapter of this book that Weyl devoted to the Hiss case, he expressed doubt about Hiss's guilt and made no reference to the personal knowledge about the case that would later be the basis of his testimony before the McCarran Committee. This apparent discrepancy and his failure to come forward as a witness in the Hiss trials was never explained by Weyl, who is now deceased.[8][20]

[nirvana00]

China should break up India: Chinese strategist - Rediff.com India News

[nirvana00]

From a Pakistani newspaper:

"At the moment, India does not have any direct role in Afghanistan, but if it tries to play one by sending its troops or any other support to the American war, it will be the beginning of Ghazwa-e-Hind [the war on India promised by the Prophet Mohammad as part of the end of the time battles]," retired Lieutenant General Hamid Gul, former head of the ISI, said in a recent television interview.


This prophecy states that a muslim army would conquer India and this army would would then march into the middle east to fight the state of Israel.


Holy Prophet (PBUH) Discussed India with Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) and told that: "One of your Battalion will fight in India, Allah will give success to them to the level that they (Mujahideen) will enchain their (Hindus) rulers with clutches, and Allah will forgive sins of these warriors and when they return they will find Hazrat Esa (AS) in Damascus."

Surprisingly, this hadeeth also coincides with naimatullah shah wali's prophecy about the final decisive war between India and Muslims/Chinese.


Shah Sahib said:The Muslims of the western portion (West Pakistan) would have the blessings of Allah. The most responsible leaders, skilled scientists and highly professional and dedicated military experts would be available to them. All the Muslim countries would be looking towards them. Muslims from Turkey, Arabia, Iran and the Middle East would turn up with remarkable Ummah spirit to support them and the area of Chitral, Nanga Parbat, Gilgit, Badakshan and Tibet would become the main battlefield. The Muslims of Deccan (Hyderabad and surrounding areas) would also rise up against Hindus.

Hazrat Naimat Shah further said:The people of Kabul would also come out to kill kafirs (non-Muslims) who would run around from pillar to post and would make petty and paltry excuses to save their lives. They would literally beg the Muslims for their lives. The frontier would quiver and quake with the foot-beats of ghazis and mujahids of the frontier who would suddenly emerge out of nowhere. This event would take place after Eid-ul-Azha and the next Eid ul Fitr.

Wali said:River Attock (Kabul) would be filled thrice, with the blood of kafirs, during that period. The Muslims would capture the whole Punjab (including Lahore city), Kashmir, the land situated between River Ganges and Yamuna (Uttar Pradesh province) and the city of Bijnaur. This war would remain among the human beings for good about six months and ultimately, God willing, the Muslims would be victorious. All the enemies and the ill-wishers of Islam would be killed and the whole India would be clean of Hinduism and Hindu traditions.

I wouldn't be surprised if this happens though, India is interfering in Pakistan’s internal affairs and its area of influence. It is arming Balochis and establishing a presence in Afghanistan. This is to disturb the tribal belts in Pakistan as well as cause trouble in China's muslim territories.

[nirvana00]

for what? refusing to believe what the media says?

wake up. you are reacting in the same way they would want you to.

india is stronger, yes, but that does not mean pakistan does not have support as well; you hit the nail on the head when you actually stated china backs pakistan.



I'm an Indian and I think there is nothing wrong if Pakistan claims Kashmir. It is a Muslim majority area and a disputed territory after all and keep in mind that it was India that broke all international rules and split Pakistan in 1971. Have you ever thought why India can't get along with any of its neighbors ?? The real reason for problems in Kashmir is India's legally sanctioned mass murder, genocide, rape, torture, and destruction of property. The existing condition is a direct consequence of an aggressively fascist government policy on Kashmir. Government of India has a dubious record while dealing with similar situations in North East and Punjab.

I think these pictures speak for themselves:


http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/42-23131582.jpg?w=450&h=300

Kashmiris hold Pakistan’s national flag and light firecrackers to celebrate the anniversary of Pakistan’s independence, in Srinagar August 14, 2009. REUTERS/Umar Ganie

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/42-23131859.jpg?w=450&h=306
Kashmiri Muslims burn an Indian national flag to mark Pakistan’s Independence Day in Srinagar on 14 August 2009. EPA/FAROOQ KHAN

[pinkfreud]

I'm an Indian and I think there is nothing wrong if Pakistan claims Kashmir. It is a Muslim majority area and a disputed territory after all and keep in mind that it was India that broke all international rules and split Pakistan in 1971. Have you ever thought why India can't get along with any of its neighbors ?? The real reason for problems in Kashmir is India's legally sanctioned mass murder, genocide, rape, torture, and destruction of property. The existing condition is a direct consequence of an aggressively fascist government policy on Kashmir. Government of India has a dubious record while dealing with similar situations in North East and Punjab.

I think these pictures speak for themselves:


http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/42-23131582.jpg?w=450&h=300

Kashmiris hold Pakistan’s national flag and light firecrackers to celebrate the anniversary of Pakistan’s independence, in Srinagar August 14, 2009. REUTERS/Umar Ganie

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/42-23131859.jpg?w=450&h=306
Kashmiri Muslims burn an Indian national flag to mark Pakistan’s Independence Day in Srinagar on 14 August 2009. EPA/FAROOQ KHAN


there's a lot of manipulation from the indian govt. regarding the kashmir dispute, but do note that the whole state of kashmir does not belong to pakistan. the PoK region (which does have a muslim majority) is rightfully pakistan's, while the south-western province of jammu and the north-eastern region of ladakh is not. (the pics are from a pakistani site btw, so that image is not surprising; indian sites show the pak flag being burnt too).

J&K became a muslim majority after the kashmiri pandits were ousted from their homeland and were forced to move down south into 'mainland' india. i'm not sure how far back this issue goes, but i can safely say that the indian govt. that was formed after independance fuelled the squabbling between india and pak (courtesy PM nehru) because the indian govt. gave the state of kashmir a 'special status'.

this special status gives ample scope for separatists to fight for independance, but the thing is that most of these separatists (who form the PDP party) want to remain an independant nation and do not want to pledge allegiance to either india or pakistan. both nations are ripping the state apart and being funded from a common source.

the very fact that kashmir was granted 'special status' makes me believe that this was deliberately done to continue the hindu-muslim propaganda. if kashmir had been fairly divided in 1947 itself, none of the problems which both countries are currently facing would have erupted into the cesspool it is today.

[nirvana00]

there's a lot of manipulation from the indian govt. regarding the kashmir dispute, but do note that the whole state of kashmir does not belong to pakistan. the PoK region (which does have a muslim majority) is rightfully pakistan's, while the south-western province of jammu and the north-eastern region of ladakh is not.

I was talking about Kashmir valley specifically. Even though J & K as a whole was a part of the same kingdom (ruled by hari singh, a hindu dogra) at the time of independence and had a muslim majority (77%).


(the pics are from a pakistani site btw, so that image is not surprising; indian sites show the pak flag being burnt too).

Here are non pakistani sources:

http://www.centralchronicle.com/viewnews.asp?articleID=12441

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_small-groups-hoist-pak-flags-burn-tricolour-in-srinagar_1282498

This is from the Indian media:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Indian Flag Buring By Gaddar-Kashmiris(India) - YouTube


J&K became a muslim majority after the kashmiri pandits were ousted from their homeland and were forced to move down south into 'mainland' india. i'm not sure how far back this issue goes, but i can safely say that the indian govt. that was formed after independance fuelled the squabbling between india and pak (courtesy PM nehru) because the indian govt. gave the state of kashmir a 'special status'.

Not really, Kashmir valley was a muslim majority area even before the independence. Kashmir valley has been overwhelmingly muslim (> 95%) for quite some time. There were a handful of Kashmiri Pandits to cause any significant change in demographics anyway. Even today the whole of Jammu and Kashmir is a muslim majority state despite the fact that Indian government is flooding in Hindus from all parts of India and diluting the Kashmiri culture.



this special status gives ample scope for separatists to fight for independance, but the thing is that most of these separatists (who form the PDP party) want to remain an independant nation and do not want to pledge allegiance t either india or pakistan. both nations are ripping the state apart and being funded from a common source.

All I can say is that Kashmir deserves freedom as much as anyone else. If India is such a great democracy, then why doesn't India allow Kashmiris to decide in a fair and impartial plebiscite what they want ?

[pinkfreud]

I was talking about Kashmir valley specifically. Even though J & K as a whole was a part of the same kingdom (ruled by hari singh, a hindu dogra) at the time of independence and had a muslim majority (77%).

ok. but you did mention pakistan claiming kashmir, specifically in your previous post ;)

thousands of pandits had been displaced by the religious majority during the british raj. even though kashmir is a predominantly muslim state, some of the regions chose to remain within the indian boundary at the time of partition. india does have a number states with a significant muslim population such as uttar pradesh, andhra pradesh and assam in the north east. that does not mean they should have either been amalgamated into the state of pakistan or bangladesh.


Not really, Kashmir valley was a muslim majority area even before the independence. Kashmir valley has been overwhelmingly muslim (> 95%) for quite some time. There were a handful of Kashmiri Pandits to cause any significant change in demographics anyway. Even today the whole of Jammu and Kashmir is a muslim majority state despite the fact that Indian government is flooding in Hindus from all parts of India and diluting the Kashmiri culture.


i disagree. over 95% of the total population of over 150,000 kashmiri pandits were forced to leave the kashmir valley in 1990 thanks to rising militant violence. the demographics in that region have been influenced because of this migration. that said, the region of jammu has had a significant hindu population (well over 90%) for centuries, so i don't think the current indian govt. (the congress) is propagating an influx of hindus in the state. that would have been easier to believe if the hindu nationalists (BJP) was in power.




All I can say is that Kashmir deserves freedom as much as anyone else. If India is such a great democracy, then why doesn't India allow Kashmiris to decide in a fair and impartial plebiscite what they want ?

i agree too. india really isn't a great democracy imo, the thing though is that government atrocities within the state of kashmir have been fuelled by both sides- the hindu nationalism front suppressing the voices of the muslims, and islamic nationalists retaliating and actually supporting militant activity in the region.




these points aside, this thread is more about the rise of china as a country which is increasingly putting pressure on all its neighbours, whether india, pakistan, nepal or bhutan. in my view, a divided india and pakistan would not do any good to either country- instead it would serve the purpose of the nwo, and possibly china. to me, pakistan is no threat whatsoever, it's the bigger fish i worry about.

[nirvana00]

ok. but you did mention pakistan claiming kashmir, specifically in your previous post ;)

thousands of pandits had been displaced by the religious majority during the british raj. even though kashmir is a predominantly muslim state, some of the regions chose to remain within the indian boundary at the time of partition.

The only reason Kashmir stayed with India is because the ruler was a Hindu dogra, not because the people actually wanted to join India.


india does have a number states with a significant muslim population such as uttar pradesh, andhra pradesh and assam in the north east. that does not mean they should have either been amalgamated into the state of pakistan or bangladesh.

I'm not saying that they should be a part of pakistan or bangladesh. Let these people decide what they want for themselves.



i disagree. over 95% of the total population of over 150,000 kashmiri pandits were forced to leave the kashmir valley in 1990 thanks to rising militant violence.

the demographics in that region have been influenced because of this migration.

Sorry, but that's not true. Hindus were and still are a minority in Kashmir valley. The percentage of Hindus in valley has dropped from 5.24% to 4% over the last 100 years. This is hardly a significant change.


In the 1901 Census of the British Indian Empire, Muslims constituted 74.16% of the total population of the princely state of Kashmir and Jammu, Hindus, 23.72%, and Buddhists, 1.21%. The Hindus were found mainly in Jammu, where they constituted a little less than 80% of the population.[17] In the Kashmir Valley, Muslims constituted 93.6% of the population and Hindus 5.24%.[17] These percentages have remained fairly stable for the last 100 years.[18] Forty years later, in the 1941 Census of British India, Muslims accounted for 93.6% of the population of the Kashmir Valley and the Hindus for 4%.[18] In 2003, the percentage of Muslims in the Kashmir Valley was 95%[19] and those of Hindus 4%; the same year, in Jammu, the percentage of Hindus was 66% and those of Muslims 30%.[19] In the 1901 Census of the British Indian Empire, the population of the princely state of Kashmir and Jammu was 2,905,578. Of these 2,154,695 were Muslims (74.16%), 689,073 Hindus (23.72%), 25,828 Sikhs, and 35,047 Buddhists.



that said, the region of jammu has had a significant hindu population (well over 90%) for centuries, so i don't think the indian govt. is propagating an influx of hindus in the state.

Actually they are.

Infact, the Indian government is doing the same thing in Punjab and North East. Punjab is now close to 50% Hindu (very few are punjabi hindus, most are from Bihar, UP and even southern states).


i agree too. india really isn't a great democracy imo, the thing though is that government atrocities within the state of kashmir have been fuelled by both sides- the hindu nationalism front suppressing the voces of the muslims, and islamic nationalists retaliating and actually supporting militant activity in the region.
these points aside, this thread is more about the rise of china as a country which is increasingly putting pressure on all its neighbours, whether india, pakistan, nepal or bhutan. in my view, a divided india and pakistan would not do any good to either country- instead it would serve the purpose of the nwo, and possibly china. to me, pakistan is no threat whatsoever, it's the bigger fish i worry about.

kind of like india has been doing since independence ? It has all along striven to force South Asian states to accept indian hegemony and never hesitated from resorting to force or economic strangulation. India, with the backing of NWO, can show its human face around the world but the fact remains that it has a very tainted reputation in south asia. China , Russia and Muslim world are actually fighting the NWO whereas India is in cahoots with terrorist states like UK, USA and Israel.

[runciter]

Friday, July 31, 2009

NASTY 'CHINESE EMPIRE'?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SnMKzTmAgrI/AAAAAAAAKVs/EgJ-7JPA-nA/s400/chinamap.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SnMKzTmAgrI/AAAAAAAAKVs/EgJ-7JPA-nA/s1600-h/chinamap.jpg)

Some of the places where China has oil interests.
Tuesday Map: China's oil empire FP Passport (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/07/28/tuesday_map_chinas_oil_empire)

China appears to have some sort of empire, which could be said to include such countries as Cambodia, Burma, Zimbabwe and Tibet.

1. China is influential in Cambodia.

In 1981, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said, "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot."

The US, he said, "winked publicly" as China sent arms to the Khmer Rouge. (Uncle Sam and Pol Pot (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/UncleSam_PolPot.html))

China is becoming a major investor in Cambodia.

A huge inflow of Chinese money could 'fuel existing corruption and exploitation in one of the world's poorest countries'. (China's Growing Presence in Cambodia (http://www.rfa.org/english/news/cambodia/cambodia_china-05232008092653.html))

2. Some people see Burma as being almost a province of China.

Although it should be noted that India and other countries carry on much trade with Burma.

China is developing two big projects in partnership with Burma's military government.

The first is a pipeline linking the gas fields off Burma’s southwest coast with China.

A parallel oil pipeline will allow Chinese tankers from the Middle East and Africa to offload their cargoes off Burma.

The second project involves a series of dams on the upper Irrawaddy River in Burma and connecting them to the Chinese power grid.

(In Burma, China's Presence Grows (http://www.rfa.org/english/blog/burma_diary/china-in-burma-04282009113356.html))

China's rulers are not so happy with the Burmese heroin that enters China.

3. Chinese workers have moved to Africa.

Reportedly, Chinese soldiers can be found in the Sudan and Ethiopia.

(China's accidental empire is a growing danger by Bill Emmott (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6337443.ece))

4. China-Zimbabwe relations date back to 1979 when Robert Mugabe persuaded China to support him.

China, of course, is not the only backer of Zimbabwe.

Billy Rautenbach, a crony of Robert Mugabe, having reportedly been involved in pillaging the Congo is now reportedly pillaging Zimbabwe. (Cached (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:CWPe9CqdxvUJ:groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.canada/browse_thread/thread/5b2f25d3e8a716cd+rautenbach+jewish+zimbabwe&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk))

Rautenbach, reportedly, has Jewish origins. (Cached (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:tvKUhZL2uJUJ:leejohnbarnes.blogspot .com/2008/12/david-milliband-and-jewish-ethno.html+rautenbach+jewish+zimbabwe&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk))

China has become the biggest buyer of Zimbabwean tobacco.

Zimbabwe buys large amounts of military equipment from China.

China is interested in Zimbabwe's supply of platinum.

In June 2009, Zimbabwe’s prime minister, Morgan Tsvangirai, said that an official had secured lines of credit worth $950 million from China.

Tsvangirai Says China Is Lending Zimbabwe $950 Million - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/01zimbabwe.html)

Chinese firms have contributed equipment to eavesdrop on telephone conversations.

China supplied a blue tile ceiling for Mr. Mugabe’s mansion in Harare.

According to The New York Times, (Zimbabwe's future: Made in China - The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/24/world/africa/24iht-zimbabwe.html)) "China won a contract to farm 1,000 square kilometers, or 386 square miles, of land seized from white chas ommercial farmers during the land-confiscation program begun by Mugabe in 2000."

5. Tibet could be considered to be a Chinese colony.

There have been times when China and Tibet were separate countries.

However, in 1950, China invaded Tibet.

6. China is becoming more influential in Sri Lanka.

The recent victory of the Sri Lankan Government over the Tamil Tigers was assisted by the supply of arms from China.

7. Chinese engineers are building a port at Gwadar in Pakistan.

8. The Chinese are in Iraq.

"The state-run China National Petroleum Corporation has become the first foreign company to start work in an Iraqi oil field after a gap of 30 years.

"CNPC has launched work on a $3 billion old field development project at the Al-Ahdab oilfield in Iraq’s eastern province of Wasit." (China allowed into Iraq oil fields (http://www.apakistannews.com/china-allowed-into-iraq-oil-fields-98534))

9. The Chinese are influential throughout South East Asia.

"The Chinese make up only 3 per cent of Indonesia's population. But they control much of the wealth - about three quarters of the dominant conglomerates are Chinese-controlled." (Special report: 'The overseas Chinese' by Simon Long Prospect (http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=4212))

The Chinese are very influential in the business worlds in such countries as Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand and Singapore.

~~

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/nasty-chinese-empire.html

[runciter]

Monday, March 30, 2009

NEW WORLD ORDER LED BY CHINA?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SdDutiNQOqI/AAAAAAAAIrc/bs6uSo8XWVI/s400/world_economy_cartogram_001.jpg

Image found at: cornelsky.blogspot.com/ (http://cornelsky.blogspot.com/)

On 26 March 2009, Haaretz had an article by Adam Abrams entitled New World Order? (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1074110.html)

Among the points made by Abrams:

1. The US has troops stationed in over 150 countries worldwide; and the US has been fighting costly wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The US has vast debts and may be "irreversibly overextending itself".

2. "New world order" can mean:

A. A change in the balance of power.

B. A world dictatorship

3. If the U.S. collapses in the same way that Iceland has, this could lead to a new world order.

According to Professor Willem Buiter, at the London School of Economics, "There will, before long ... be a global dumping of U.S. dollar assets..."

Peter Schiff, president of the stock brokerage firm Euro Pacific Capital Inc. predicts that gold will climb to $2,000 per ounce.

According to Ron Paul : "Americans have suffered a steadily eroding purchasing power because of the Federal Reserve's inflationary policies."

Gerald Celente, the CEO of Trends Research Institute, forecasts that by 2012 there will be a revolution in the U.S., accompanied by food riots and tax rebellions.

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New World Order - a change in the balance of power.

4. What might replace the USA as the world's dominant player?

One possibility is the United Nations.

In 1991, in Congress, George H. W. Bush said:

"...We can see a new world coming into view... A world where the United Nations ... is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders..."

In January 2009, Henry Kissinger told CNBC that the world economic crisis is a "great opportunity" for Obama to help form a "new world order."

In June 2007, Gordon Brown said: "I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created."

5. It seems unlikely that governments will willingly surrender sovereignty to the United Nations.

6. However, what if there was 'an unpheaval on a massive scale'?

"The only such event that seems even remotely likely is the end of Western global dominance and the transfer of global hegemony to the Eurasian powers.

"Perhaps it would not be a 'global government', but a 'new world order', with the central power of the world residing in Asia.

"... If the Chinese government decided to dump all of its U.S. dollars, the entire U.S. economy would collapse overnight.

"But would China do that?

"The motivation would be two-fold; firstly, the U.S. Federal Reserve's 'inflationary policies' (as described by Ron Paul) devalue the U.S. currency to the point that China no longer has an incentive to hold U.S. dollars, and secondly, China sees an opportunity to become the dominant player in the new world order...

"The collapse of the United States of America would certainly create the chaos necessary to justify the formation of a new global reserve currency and ultimately a new world order, with its central power residing in Eurasia."

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http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-world-order-led-by-china.html

[runciter]

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Chinese Ambassdor to Israel Chen Yonglong (R) and Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres pose for a photo in Herzliyya, Israel, on July 12, 2006.

The Chinese are said to be the Jews of Asia.

The Chinese and the Israelis have become firm friends.

1. Leo Gleser, an Israeli, is the owner and managing director of International Security and Defense Systems. He and his company are taking part in securing the Olympic Games. - One Israeli was served part of the security pie at Beijing (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009611.html)

2. Testifying before a Senate committee in October 1993, CIA Director James Woolsey said, "We believe the Chinese seek from Israel advanced military technology that U.S. and Western firms are unwilling to provide."[8] (http://www.meforum.org/article/926#_ftn8) (At What Cost Israel-China Ties? - Middle East Quarterly (http://www.meforum.org/article/926))

In 1992, the George H.W. Bush administration accused Israel of illegally 'transferring' to China the Patriot anti-missile system, which the Pentagon deployed in Israel during the Kuwait crisis.[5] (http://www.meforum.org/article/926#_ftn5)

In 1994, U.S. media reports accused Israel of unauthorized transfer of technology associated with the Lavi jet fighter to China.[9] (http://www.meforum.org/article/926#_ftn9)

In 2004, the Bush administration objected to the Israeli government's decision to repair and upgrade the Harpy unmanned aerial vehicle that Israel had sold to China in the 1990s.[12] (http://www.meforum.org/article/926#_ftn12)

3. China is involved in business with Israel. China is Israel's number 2 trading partner.

Hundreds of Israeli high-tech, chemical, and agricultural technology companies have seen exports to China boom. (The China-Israel connection (http://www.ishitech.co.il/0207ar6.htm))

The amount of trade between China and Israel has increased from $50 million in 1992 to about $4.5 billion in 2007.

The China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC) is digging Israel's Carmel Tunnel. It is involved in the civil engineering aspect of the Red Line of Tel Aviv's light-rail project. ZPMC, the Chinese manufacturer of cranes and metal equipment, is to supply seven bridge cranes to the Haifa port. ('Israeli Miracle' is developing strong ties with Communist China (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009570.html))

4. To some people in South East Asia, it may seem that it is Chinese billionaires who control the economies and the governments.

In Indonesia, ethnic Chinese make up less than 4 percent of the population but allegedly control around 70 percent of the major businesses. In recent times, twelve of the 15 wealthiest families were Chinese.

Chinese oligarchs are influential in countries such as Thailand, the Philippines and Malaysia.

~~

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-world-order-led-by-china.html

[synergy777]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11270

India wary as China conducts biggest "long-range" war games

By Dan Murphy – Christian Science Monitor Aug 11, 2009

Less than a week after India and China held what they described as fruitful talks on a long-standing border dispute, China embarked on a massive war-game designed to improve its ability to dispatch troops over long distances.

Not surprisingly, some in India are concerned.

As China’s economy has grown, so has its offensive military capabilities, which has fueled something of an arms race in Asia, particularly with the region’s other emerging economic power, India.

As we reported in June, the Indian Ocean – the vital transport hub for the region’s goods and energy – will likely become a region of increasing strategic jockeying as the world’s two largest countries seek to secure their economic positions. China’s approach is dubbed the "String of Pearls" strategy by US military officials.

China and India fought a border war over their poorly demarcated boundary in the Himalayas in 1962, and China has at times since claimed sovereignty over territory that appears to be well on the western side of the border (this map shows the disputed area.)

On Tuesday, China began a series of military maneuvers that it is describing as its "largest-ever tactical military exercise." The war games, called "Stride-2009," will involve 50,000 troops form China’s more than 2 million-member standing army, and are designed to help China improve its "long-range force projection" by using high-speed civilian rail and civilian aircraft in rapidly moving troops, according to state news agency, Xinhua.

According to the PLA General Staff Headquarters, in charge of organizing the exercise "Stride-2009," one army division from each of the military commands of Shenyang, Lanzhou, Jinan and Guangzhou, will participate in a series of live-fire drills lasting for two months. Unlike previous annual tactical exercises, the army divisions and their air units will be deployed in unfamiliar areas far from their garrison training bases by civilian rail and air transport.

The exercise will have troops operating from up to 1,000 miles from their home bases. Though China is a vast country with significant internal dissent – rioting by ethnic Uighurs in Urumqi this July (and in Tibet last year) occurred more than 2,000 miles from Beijing – some neighbors fear it is intent on expansion.

The Times of India said strategists have long worried about the possibility that an expanding rail network in China could be used to "enhanc(e) China’s military superiority over neighboring India."

On Monday, Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta warned in rather stark terms that China’s military is outstripping India’s, according to the Hindustan Times. It was an unusually blunt admission:

"In military terms, both conventionally and unconventionally, we can neither have the capability nor the intention to match China force for force…" He said Beijing was in the process of consolidating its comprehensive national power and creating formidable military capability. "Once that is done, China is likely to be more assertive on its claims, especially in the immediate neighbourhood," said Mehta, who as the Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee, is the country’s senior most military commander.

Two months ago, India’s former Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major said China was a greater threat to India than Pakistan.

http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/08/11/india-wary-as-china-conducts-biggest-long-range-war-games/

[runciter]

when i read china, i think rothschild.

[transcendental stallion]

One question? Why is India SO aggressinve against Pakistan but silent and nonresponsive against China when they speak like this?

[rodin]

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World Revolution, Zionism and World Government

The World Revolution, which in this century (20th) has destroyed human civilization to an unheard of degree - so far - was only one of the two revolutionary movements, which spead like an epidemic pest over the world from the same week in October 1917. Both sprang from talmudic-lead Eastern Jews. The World Revolution has been the climax, so far, of judaic world conquest. The defeat of the Revolution is only apparent. Its destructive effect continues a bit more covertly without Soviet, but still with China as an example of this type of terror-lead slavesociety, and with judaic agents solidly placed on the most important posts in the world. All the “spiritual values” continue, as f.ex. also in the EU.

And its twin, Revolutionary Zionism, grows ever stronger towards the envisioned Eretz-Israel - Great Israel, which is to stretch from the Nile to the Eufrat in the whole “original area”, with all the”Jews” of the world brought together there, and with Jerusalem as the world capital and centre of the “World Peace of the World Government”.

Everything is supported by the Pentateuch of the Old Testament, supplemented by the Talmud, concerning the predestination of the “Chosen People” to exterminate or subjugate all other nations. Among the Zionist leaders this is taken one hundred percent seriously. Like a military operation the two groups work together with incredible synchronisation towards the all-domineering World Government. It will not be long before it becomes a reality. We see it happening every day: UN, NATO, EU, WTO, International Treaties and Conventions, International Courts with transnational jurisdiction and the hundreds- even thousands - of international mergers and take-overs in business.

http://www.controversyofzion.info/Summary_eng.htm

[mr sunny]

Jammu Kashmir will always be Indian, many people i know wish it to remain as a part of India. Theres a lot of deep wounds that go back to the partition and being an Indian Kashmiri i feel disgust for these so called Islamic fanatics who carry out these attacks on the people in the old country.

A majority of moderate muslims don't want the conflict to continue but rather to work together with the government to create more opportunities for the younger generation.

But my heart is always for my ancestoral home :)

[runciter]

http://www.whale.to/b/handshakes.JPG (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xf4bnaVpK4w/R092loyia4I/AAAAAAAAABI/Lo13Nd_5rG8/s1600-R/handshakes.JPG)

The masonic handshake: the thumb has to press the knuckle. Above is the "pope" Ratzinger. It is an open secret that this man is a freemason. Some French freemasons even wrote an open letter exposing him. Below left is the current chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, dubbed by the medias as "the people's premier". China and Iran are also run by freemasonry and the current "rift" with the USA is nothing but theater. Bottom right is Chirac with BRD chancellor Merkel. On the basis of this handshake one can recognize, in which freemasonic degrees the interlocutors are.

http://waitingtorot.blogspot.com/2007/11/12-masonic-signs-of-recognition_27.html

[runciter]

google image search for wen jiabao

http://images.google.it/images?hl=it&source=hp&q=wen+jiabao&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=mazFSoOtGYWUnwPrjahK&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5

on the first page

http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheD2VUIGPPYWJHBW==UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgWen%20Jiabao2.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/14/xin_19090114102500773818.jpg

http://www.livetradingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/wen_jiabao_2008.jpg

http://www.nextstepshanghai.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/wenjiabao.jpg

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/chinese-premier-wen-jiabao-cambridge-university-2009-getty.jpg

[runciter]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xf4bnaVpK4w/Sc7fcVbJYUI/AAAAAAAAAHA/jDb0UQXCkK8/s320/signs2.JPG

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/13/1236930637702/Wen-Jiabao-001.jpg

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2008/09/24/wenker81221293.jpg

[runciter]

http://www.whale.to/b/handshakes.JPG (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xf4bnaVpK4w/R092loyia4I/AAAAAAAAABI/Lo13Nd_5rG8/s1600-R/handshakes.JPG)

The masonic handshake: the thumb has to press the knuckle. Above is the "pope" Ratzinger. It is an open secret that this man is a freemason. Some French freemasons even wrote an open letter exposing him. Below left is the current chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, dubbed by the medias as "the people's premier". China and Iran are also run by freemasonry and the current "rift" with the USA is nothing but theater. Bottom right is Chirac with BRD chancellor Merkel. On the basis of this handshake one can recognize, in which freemasonic degrees the interlocutors are.

http://waitingtorot.blogspot.com/2007/11/12-masonic-signs-of-recognition_27.html

http://static.soxfirst.com/soxfirst.com/imgname--dont_count_on_china---50226711--wen-jiabao-polytechnique1.jpg

[runciter]

back to india, i already posted this in another thread:

In a recent interview* with Lyn Forester de Rothschild we learn that she and her husband Evelyn de Rothschild are investing hundreds of millions to become the queen and the king of India`s fruits and vegetables. India is already the first world producer of fruits, and the second of vegetables and until today its production was essentially consumed by the over one billion Indian population.

Lyn and Evelyn de Rothschild have recently decided to make big money in exporting the Indian fruits and vegetables to the European and Japanese markets. The diverse agro-climatic zones of India make it possible to grow almost all varieties of fruits and vegetables while the labor cost is a tiny fraction of the European or Japanese: Lady de Rothschild is looking forward to pay the Indian workers $2 a day. (...)

There is another likely consequency of a massive increase of the Indian fruit and vegetables` exports. As said previously, the over one billion Indian population is consuming almost all of the national production. When this will be reoriented by the Rothschilds toward the vast European and Japanese markets, it`s improbable that such an increase of the Indian production can be reached that the quantity available for the Indian consumption will remain sufficient. Moreover, at that point, the logic of the market economy is likely to inflate the fruit and vegetables` prices on the Indian market which will achieve to deprive most of the locals of these important nutritional resources.

As most of the Indian households cannot afford meat, the main nutritional resources are rice, fruits and vegetables. A shortage in fruits and vegetables in India can only result in an increased malnutrition and mortality. We can also suppose that the intensive agro-technology which will have to be used by the Rothschilds` farmers in India will involve the repetitive use of pesticides which is likely to sterilize soils and poison water reserves in a few years, just as it did in many parts of Europe. It is stunning to see how the Rothschilds new agro-business project may well fit also in this other prioritary globalisation agenda known as the depopulation of the Third World.

Last but not least, considering the crucial importance of the fruits and vegetables on the Indian market, a massive price inflation of these products might well start a general inflationary cycle in the Indian economy. Just as it is the case with China, the rapidly expanding Indian economy poses a growing threat to the Western corporations. Put the inflationary worm in the Indian apple and the whole Indian economy can be infected...

http://www.rense.com/general78/rothw.htm

[runciter]

and monsanto is also controlled by the rothschild/rockefeller criminal organization.