beasts real mark devalued to 616

[stoney268]

Found this on internet....

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11134/beasts-real-mark-devalued-to-616

Any reactions on this maybe? I mean, all those things you hear about 666, like VW (VolksWagen) also stands for 666, are then not correct anymore.
If the researcher is right ofcourse.

[tru3]

Dr. Aitken said, however, that scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone’s name, she said.

“It’s a number puzzle — the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero.”

Revelation was actually a thinly disguised political tract, with the names of those being criticized changed to numbers to protect the authors and early Christians from reprisals. “It’s a very political document,” Dr. Aitken said. “It’s a critique of the politics and society of the Roman empire, but it’s written in coded language and riddles.”

this confirms what i've thought for a long time: revelations was a contemporary tract, not prophecy.

of course, there remains the possibility that this is an attempt to generate...sorry, i can't resist...sympathy for the devil. :p

[kblood]

Hmmmm 616 does add up to 13... anyone who can interpreted that with numerology? I have read about it, but I am not really sure that is so special about 13 yet... :confused:

[kblood]

of course, there remains the possibility that this is an attempt to generate...sorry, i can't resist...sympathy for the devil. :p

Hehe, Guns and Roses ftw :D

[edit]

Hmmmm 616 does add up to 13... anyone who can interpreted that with numerology? I have read about it, but I am not really sure that is so special about 13 yet... :confused:Carbon-13
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-13)
Carbon-13
Full table
General
Name, symbol Carbon-13,13C
Neutrons 7
Protons 6
Nuclide Data
Natural abundance 1.109%
Spin +½
Carbon-13 is a natural, stable isotope of carbon and one of the environmental isotopes. It makes up about 1.109% of all natural carbon on Earth.

[edit] Detection by NMR spectroscopy
Because of its nuclear spin properties, with a spin +1/2, just like the hydrogen atom, this isotope responds to a resonant radio frequency (RF) signal. The absorption and emission of the RF signal by the nuclei can be monitored and detected using nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy, most commonly known as NMR spectroscopy. This is a technique that gives information on the identity and number of atoms adjacent to other atoms in said molecule, thereby giving clues to the structure of an organic molecule. Since C-12 has zero spin, it does not give an NMR signal, and since only 1% of the atoms in a molecule are C-13, it is unlikely that carbon-carbon coupling is seen. Acquiring a carbon-13 NMR spectrum can take from a couple of minutes to hours because many scans have to be summed together in order to have results distinguishable from background noise.

In biological NMR proteins can be deliberately labelled with carbon-13 (and usually nitrogen-15) to facilitate structure determination. This is achieved by growing microorganisms genetically engineered to express the protein on a media with carbon-13 labeled glucose as the only carbon source. In this way proteins with a carbon-13 content of almost 100% can be produced.


[edit] Detection by mass spectroscopy
A mass spectrogram of an organic compound will usually contain a small peak of one mass unit greater than the apparent molecular ion peak (M). This is known as the M+1 peak and originates due to the presence of carbon-13 atoms. A molecule containing one carbon atom will be expected to have an M+1 peak of approximately 1.1% of the size of the M peak as 1.1% of the carbon atoms will be carbon-13 rather than carbon-12. Similarly a molecule containing two carbon atoms will be expected to have an M+1 peak of approximately 2.2% of the size of the M peak, as there is double the previous likelihood that a molecule will contain a carbon-13 atom.

In the above the mathematics and chemistry have been simplified, however it can be used effectively to give the number of carbon atoms for small to medium sized organic molecules. In the following formula the result should be rounded to the nearest integer:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/0/2/10277ccd2ec25a085b51230e86eb6ffc.png

C = number of C atoms X = amplitude of the M ion peak Y = amplitude of the M+1 ion peak

Carbon-13-enriched compounds are used in the research of metabolic processes by means of mass spectroscopy. Such compounds are safe because they are non-radioactive. In addition, carbon-13 is used to quantitate proteins (quantitative proteomics). One important application is `stable isotope labeling with amino acids in cell culture´ (SILAC).


[edit] See also
Carbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/C-TableImage.png/250px-C-TableImage.png
Appearance http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/C%2C6.jpg/125px-C%2C6.jpg black (graphite)
colorless (diamond)

Isotope fractionation - Kinetic isotope effect
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Isotope fractionation)
The kinetic isotope effect (KIE)

A KIE involving hydrogen and deuterium is represented as:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/b/6/f/b6f1d9ce5cfd80a7c183130449b289d4.png
with kH and kD reaction rate constants.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope_fractionation)

[revolution 9]

If I recall, some of the original texts did say 616. As for 666, there are dozens of interpretations and theories. My favorite theory is that it's not the number of a man, but rather the number of man - hence mankind is the Beast. Makes some sort of sense I think.

[grackle]

It has been 666 forever. Why change it to assist the Satanists cover?

[kblood]

It has been 666 forever. Why change it to assist the Satanists cover?

Was it ever 666? ;)

Things that already are cant be changed, just because they might have been misunderstood by some :p

Very nice answer to my question Edit :)

[tru3]

It has been 666 forever. Why change it to assist the Satanists cover?

or is it the other way around: that rapture dogma is used as a way to get people to give up their power here and now in exchange for anticipated rewards, in an as yet undiscovered country.

pretty raw deal, seems to me.

and, it takes the fear out of that whole revelations text. imv, it was written by regular people, people bitching about the government in secret code.


Rapture
&
Premillennialism
Refuted
Premillennialism Contradicts The Bible

14 ways that Premillennialism Contradicts The bible
http://www.bible.ca/pre-contrast-truth.htm

there's a whole menu of false doctrines, from the roman church, mormons, jw's, calvanism and islam, too.

premillenialsim, as it is widely held in the u.s., was conceived and implemented by a nefarious assortment of occultists and freemasons based out of manhattan, after it was imported from england in the 1830's.

c. i. schofield was the original jerry fallwell. submitted for your review:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52291&postcount=22

[revolution 9]

Number of the Beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Number is 666 in modern texts, although 616 and 665 appear instead in at least one ancient source."

I knew I had heard that before(not from Wikipedia though, I believe it was actually a footnote in a Bible I owned).

Also, has anyone ever considered that John was simply tripping balls?

[cruise4]

Luckily calling himself the AntiChrist should give us a clue:o

[kblood]

lol :) Quite true. Not easy escaping ones true name :p

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

13 is apparently very holy to the jews, i would argue that many things that opposed the christians were made to be seen as evil, the gods of the old become the devils of the new religions.

[kblood]

13 is apparently very holy to the jews, i would argue that many things that opposed the christians were made to be seen as evil, the gods of the old become the devils of the new religions.

I thought it was the other way around :rolleyes: I have heard some stuff about this 13 being special though. In numerology as well. All the numbers that arent explained in that are probably more important than those that are.

[ashyr]

wow ive know this shit for ages. but hey never new is it. CARBON is 13?

that makes so much sense.

u know the path to enlightenment is always the "self destructive particles" falling off like a husk, and movign downwards, while the White, pureness or "Life Particles" move up. like in water, also like mentioned in the koton, "Sharpened by the blades of negativity"

carbon is a self destructive particle.

[bigus_dickus]

i've been aware of this for a few years now. i thought that the whole '666' thing was bullshit from the start, but this one got me really amused. here it is:

http://www.greatdreams.com/sacred/beast616.jpg

instead of "χξς" it is written "χις" which numerically corresponds to 616.

that got every wannabe 'wise' go back and recalculate all the names they could find, that corresponds to the "616" value, as they did for the "666" value.

of course, everyone forgets that these numbers work only with Greek letters, so thousands of hilarious beasts have become "revealed" to even more naive people, christian or not.

and the satanists.. hehe don't get me started :cool:

[albie]

What About Manuscript's Of Revelation That Have The Numbers 606 Or 616?



There are several ancient manuscripts of Revelation that show numbers such as 616 or 606 instead of 666. This very likely was due to a scribal error of some sort that somehow propagated down through additional copies as the scribe copied the manuscripts This is especially likely given that the original meaning of the number 666 was concerned with the numbers magical properties. The numbers 616 or 606 had no magical meaning of any significance, so that by itself should inform the reader that these were due to copy errors. Remember that people copied things by hand before the invention of the printing press. They did not have copy machines in those days. If you wanted, a copy of something, had the money, and could read, you hired somebody to copy it for you, or you did it yourself. Those were the only choices available. Of course, if you did not have the money, there was only one choice then - you did not get a copy of your own and had to wait until somebody was willing to read it to you! If they did not read it to you, then you were simply out of luck.

http://www.666man.net/666ReligionHistoryOverview.html

IT'S BOB!!!!!!!!!!!

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=2865&highlight=

[revolution 9]

I'm sure somewhere in the world, some religion or some theory exists that "proves" 616 has some deep spiritual, mystical, or religious significance.

I'm just too lazy to check.