Help - Next Steps

[mr marvellous]

Ok, so i'm new to a lot of the views/ outlooks of the conspiratorial world. I've taken in 1000's hours of Google Video's including everything by David Icke/ Alex Jones/ Michael Tsarion/ Jordan Maxwell. But, i'm not comfortable talking about this with anyone i Know.

So what are the next steps, I'm married, do a 9-5 job.
Firstly, I accept that 9-11 was an engineered event
Pretty convinced the moon landing was a hoax
I've started drinking bottled water to avoid the flouride
Changed to a non-flouride toothpaste
Stopped watching the TV adverts to avoid the subliminal advertising

Do I feel any better? To be honest. NO.

I'm conscious I don't want to be manipulated and take on board that this world is in some way a matrix. But, if our perceived reality is a dream, isn't it pretty much a reality anyway.

I mean, if I saw off my right leg. The rest of my life will be pretty crap. I'm not going to feel any better thinking the rest of my life is a dream. So, isn't it as close to reality as reality is anyway?

The thing about the brain decoding things to create this holographic projection in my head. If I walk into a wall or into another person, then i'm going to hurt myself. In what way is that any different to a reality?

I've been trying to download so much info into my head, its doing my head in.

Would appreciate help, on steps to take on the beginning of the journey. Idiot guide style please.

[garth]

Hey Mr Marvellous, welcome to the forum:D

Advice..mmm well firstly RELAX it'll all make perfect sense with a little time. This information is like that, you get on a roll seeking more information (or which there is multitudes) then you get to a point of brain overload. So just relax for a little bit and let it all filter in.

secondly, when it comes to all this information I think it is important to develop your own intuition, trust it, let it guide you, for it will show you the shortest route to the answers you seek.

heres a link on developing intuition (http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TheSeer/intuition.html)

good luck:D

[garth]

I'm conscious I don't want to be manipulated and take on board that this world is in some way a matrix. But, if our perceived reality is a dream, isn't it pretty much a reality anyway.

I mean, if I saw off my right leg. The rest of my life will be pretty crap. I'm not going to feel any better thinking the rest of my life is a dream. So, isn't it as close to reality as reality is anyway?

The thing about the brain decoding things to create this holographic projection in my head. If I walk into a wall or into another person, then i'm going to hurt myself. In what way is that any different to a reality?


almost forgot..thirdly, the crux of "this reality" IMO is that it is your reality, you create it. Really it's like a blank canvas, you can either choose to paint what you want, or you can let "consensus reality" paint your reality for you. It all comes down to a simple choice I guess.

[harris999]

Yes, just chill out. It takes a while to get used too. I was in exactly the same boat as you. realising that everything isnt what it appears and stuff, is pretty daunting.

But life goes on, once you get used to it all (and trust me you will) everything seems.. i dunno... better! Just carry on with your life, you know the true nature of the world now, and your perception of things will change.

I'd suggest, just not thinking about all of this, all of the time. Just get on with your daily life, as all of this is some pretty dark stuff to be honest. And like you said, its doing your head in, just take a break and take your time with it all. And everyone needs a break from it, just check the forum every now and again, and keep up to date with whats "really" going on.

The truth really does set you free, and theres a whole lot more "truth" to be found. Anyway, good luck on your journey and forgive my grammar :D

[i_am]

It is mind boggling when you start on this journey, isn't it? I would reiterate what Garth said, slow down, back off, take a breather. Look at the beautiful things around you and appreciate them.

Take a look at the awakening thread and take from it what resonates for you. When you can balance the conspiracy aspect with the spiritual, it kinda all falls into place.

Have you watched David's last vid cast? Some great insights there.

Welcome to the sandbox, by the way :)

[Anders Lindman]

Would appreciate help, on steps to take on the beginning of the journey.

Hi,

Check out videos and info about Ron Paul. He is not saying 911 was an inside job, but he points out many of the dangers of the current system. Many people only trust information from 'mainstream' sources, and Ron Paul is beginning to become really mainstream.

[tru3]

Do I feel any better? To be honest. NO.

I'm conscious I don't want to be manipulated and take on board that this world is in some way a matrix. But, if our perceived reality is a dream, isn't it pretty much a reality anyway.

I mean, if I saw off my right leg. The rest of my life will be pretty crap. I'm not going to feel any better thinking the rest of my life is a dream. So, isn't it as close to reality as reality is anyway?

The thing about the brain decoding things to create this holographic projection in my head. If I walk into a wall or into another person, then i'm going to hurt myself. In what way is that any different to a reality?

I've been trying to download so much info into my head, its doing my head in.

Would appreciate help, on steps to take on the beginning of the journey. Idiot guide style please.

i'm just the idiot to volunteer. :D

a couple of things to ponder.

in the story of plato's cave, when the people finally emerged from the dark, the light hurt their eyes. what you're going through is an adjustment, perfectly understandable and natural.

yes, when i stub my toe, it hurts. but i haven't hurt "myself", my toe has been hurt. do you see the difference? it may seem like splitting hairs, but in that phrase lies the heart of the matter, to me.

that's how deep the rabbit hole is, imo. that's how pernicious the programming is.

the hologram appears to be real, and it is reinforced in multidimensional ways, to persuade us that we are only the experience of the hologram, only a body or a soul to be manipulated, when the truth is we are much, much more than that.

i can only speak from personal experience. my healing from all this programming didn't even really start until i began to understand that i am not the dream, but the dreamer. whatever arises, i am that which is aware of it.

the state of emptiness is not ignoring what's there, it's realizing that i am giving what's there all the meaning it has for me. it's not what happens, but how i respond to what happens.

so, when i stub my toe, my first response has always been thinking to myself "you clumsy oaf!"

what i've been learning to do is just say, "oh! wow, i stubbed my toe. fuck, that hurt. i'd better be more careful and start paying attention to my present surroundings."

the first creates fear, the second creates love. and i am the one creating it, through the same experience.

likewise, i can continue to hate george bush, or put that feeling into a larger context and begin to see how much of a pawn he is, which generates some measure of compassion.

and, i'm not doing it for him, i'm doing it for me, because i don't want that hatred in my life any more.

hope that helps. good luck on your journey, and welcome to the forum. :)

[mr marvellous]

Thanks some really encouraging stuff there.

So how do people on here keep your search going? you know if you start a religion or whatever you attend church or join a group. What do you do, I could do with some encouragement. Thanks.

[tru3]

Thanks some really encouraging stuff there.

So how do people on here keep your search going? you know if you start a religion or whatever you attend church or join a group. What do you do, I could do with some encouragement. Thanks.

sorry, can't help much with that. i'm not really a "joiner". :o

i always try to make sure i take time to digest what it is i'm investigating. a little research, a little reflection and contemplation. that way, i don't get a tummy ache! ;)

[mr marvellous]

I've been into this conspiracy stuff and accept the bulk of it, but am getting frustrated with it not actually making any difference. How exactly do I wake up, it's like the experience of becoming a born again christian, you're kind of expecting something to happen and some acknowlegement that what your believing in is actually true.

But, in reality nothing i've experienced can definitely convince me i'm on the right path.

Like the reptilian thing, I thought these were actual physical beings made from the offspring of the 'Annukai' and female humans. But, now they are referred to as just DNA types that people can shape shift into. I like some of the Michael Tsarion stuff, but to get my head round all this do I need to spend another 1000 hours watching other conspiracy stuff to understand it fully?

[herebynightfall]

welcome neo, to the real world.

its not so bad.

actually, its way way way way way cool.

just for fun, here's a thread about the nature of reality.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8622

i put a lot of thought into it, if you could take time to read all of the posts.
because each post is seeming to get deeper and deeper if you will.

don't be afraid to chip in your two cents.
or a whole dollar.

enjoy, and never worry.
it's all just perception anyway.

[zigzagz]

I've been into this conspiracy stuff and accept the bulk of it, but am getting frustrated with it not actually making any difference. How exactly do I wake up, it's like the experience of becoming a born again christian, you're kind of expecting something to happen and some acknowlegement that what your believing in is actually true.

But, in reality nothing i've experienced can definitely convince me i'm on the right path.

Like the reptilian thing, I thought these were actual physical beings made from the offspring of the 'Annukai' and female humans. But, now they are referred to as just DNA types that people can shape shift into. I like some of the Michael Tsarion stuff, but to get my head round all this do I need to spend another 1000 hours watching other conspiracy stuff to understand it fully?

Your belief system prior to now has by design left a gap in your perception of reality that is why you feel the need to fill that gap by "joining something"....

Instead I suggest you look at why you let yourself be tricked into this reality in the first place(in other words what are you here to do how can you follow your own path here or elsewhere) then concentrate on raising your frequency think of it like being in a POW camp all imatiated, you must nourish yourself and build your strength before you can escape....the empty feeling is a last ditch effort of your programming to keep you spiritually starved... nourish your soul...connect with what you would call God on a personal level.

Religions have programmed you to think there needs to be some organization/ceremony/object/building as a go between for you and God that is the opposite of the truth...

[chris]

mr marvellous welcome aboard!!!;) Its so good to hear new people waking up.

Like people have said just take it easy for the meantime...The system is set up so that people new to this will fall into every stereotype going and all kinds of things will arise 'is he having a mid life crisis' is one of the pittfalls that people fall into so I just say chill out because your not going to help anyone if you don't help yourself.

You need to become kind of a politician when it comes to this info, you can't just go around screaming the truth (although that is better than being silent). The best thing to do is find positive things to wake people up over. If you live in the US then America freedom to fascism is perfect (if UK then 'terrorstorm').

Try getting your hands on a few copies or getting a DVD burner and just passing it around to people. Just say to them something along the lines of 'hey, I was scanning the internet the other day and found this, what do you think about it?' and pass it to them.

This is enough, you don't need to wake them up anymore than that, if they watch it then it's good and if not then don't try to make them. If they watch it then you've planted a seed in furtile ground and watered it, don't digg it up because its not growing fast enough.

This is all you really need to do in the infowar. Its really easy and cheap and you can get into many great conversations this way...

You kind of have to live a double life, one with the truth and one for people who can't handle the truth. Drop the holocaust, reptilians and all that crazy crap, if you like the research then keep it to yourself and other insiders. Research wherever you feel lacking. I particularly recommend planting seeds and bettering yourself so look into diet and health and prepair by learning how to get clean water easily and how to survive off the land. I do this now even while living in a busy town and I hardly ever shop for food apart from honey and little things like that.

Anyway, the sky is the limit when it comes to the research...Just don't fall into the traps because if you do then you won't want to speak out so much but this is essential. You must speak out! in the right way!

After a while you will probably become a bit like Ron Paul (except in your own way). Ron knows all about 9/11 and all that but he is very clever at finding their weakness and attacking it. The NWO is really like a balloon and too many people try popping it with a baseball bat when they really need a pin.

[quetzalcoatl]

Hey Mr Marvellous !!! Awesome Name. :D

This is interesting. Everyone's giving you solid advice. So may I just add 'my take' in regards to the Holographic Reality ?

Believing in the 'Holographic Universe Theory' & the 'Conspiracy of Control' is inherently contradictory. Since, if it's all an Illusions, then it's not really happening, so why care…?

IMO the truth of the Holographic stuff is rather simple. We can't claim that we're projecting/manifesting this whole Universe all by our selves, we just contribute our part. We can't SOLELY claim to have manifested Galaxies thousands of light-years away.

Where the Holo-Graphic part enters is our 'perception'. OK granted that there's lots more going on in different Frequencies/Dimensions out-side our current vision of the light-spectrum (like Reptilian entities & our Electro-Magnetic part). Yet it is simply perception, because all photons absorbed by our eyes lenses shines through the vitreous humour, then reflects back to the retina, where it's flipped the right way up & converted into nerve impulses & sent to the brain where it's interpreted into the World we see around us. So all this takes time 'like micro-seconds' yet still some time, so in essence we're never really seeing what's happening, because we're constantly observing the past.

In layman's terms – Every-Thing around us is physically there, along with alot more. The Holo-Graphic part is in our perception.

If you want to join something like a club or 'Seudo-Religion'. & by the sounds of it you need some release from daily stresses & the giant weight that accompanies 'Knowing the Truth'. Then can I suggest you take up Wing-Chun Kung-Fu. You won't regret it. As-well as increasing 'Chi/Reiki/Prana/Soul' flow, it incorporates Bruce Lee's/Buddha's fantastic philosophies. I've had a break from it of late, but I can't wait to get back. :cool:

[cruise4]

Or search out some 9/11 truth movement activist groups in your area. 9/11 truth encompasses an awful lot more than 9/11, but thats a great initial focus point that many can relate to.

[john white]

All I will say is...

Lots of great advice on this thread!

I'm a soft hearted bugger, and I get moved to see people offer so freely

[mr marvellous]

WOW, thanks for all the replys! Trying to take it in, in terms of the holographic reality, i'm starting to think of my physical body as not actually me, but I guess if you are watching this experience we call life on a TV screen. It's the bit you are controlling, as if you were playing a computer game?

Thanks again

[synergy777]

i'd say listen to john white, chris, they are the most mellow and wise. i just take the piss, lol

[mada88]

sorry, can't help much with that. i'm not really a "joiner". :o

i always try to make sure i take time to digest what it is i'm investigating. a little research, a little reflection and contemplation. that way, i don't get a tummy ache! ;)

It doesn't matter word food you take in if you don't digest it your won't absorb the energy.