Should be Forum for Subscribers Only

[davidbarstis]

I'm sorry to say this but the people on this forum who don't know their ass from their face or who for some reason joined this forum when 1) they have nothing positive to add;2) Never read a David Icke book;3) they just want to disrupt everything;4) Fill the forum with absolute garbage and argue things that really aren't arguable;5) Make pointless statements and downright untruths;6) are against Icke;7) respond to threads and completely change the subject or turn them into arguments; on and on and on I could go. There are non subscribers who are great and make definate contributions to this forum but, if there isn't already, there should be a forum for SERIOUS people who support Icke because they want to make a difference in the world. Why can't I talk to people on here without some joker making stupid comments? People making smart ass remarks, telling me I have to prove Jesus didn't exist, saying Icke never critisizes Isreal even though he was sued in Canada for making anti-Semetic remarks (and they obviously never read a book), Ickes books have no facts in them, start a thread on how Americans shouyld get over 911(thats not a discusion thread , its to start arguments with people). Do I need to go on? Just complete garbage. An adult would go through the threads and post when there is something of value to add. All the childish idiots who post just to think your smart or want to argue because your life is so shallow, go away already. As a premier subscriber, my membership should include a serious forum where I don't have to deal with people who don't care. Its not about differences or different opinions or disagreements, Its about those members who just are ruin this forum by making it negative. Can something, anything be done? A different forum? I know I can always just leave the forum, but I like communicating with people around the world. People are ruining it though and they happen to be all non-subscribers? Hmmmmm wonder why?

[phoebe]

Elitist!!!

[soglad]

Yes, and I've a sneaking suspicion that it's worse behind the scenes and what goes around, comes around.

There are a small bunch of people I know of the forums that I know are special and I can feel the bullshit emanating off the rest.

As long as the beautiful bunch still shine, fuck the rest.

[davidbarstis]

Yes, and I've a sneaking suspicion that it's worse behind the scenes and what goes around, comes around.

There are a small bunch of people I know of the forums that I know are special and I can feel the bullshit emanating off the rest.

As long as the beautiful bunch still shine, fuck the rest.

I know, there are some great people on here who are not subscribers, but there is so much building garbage. I have no problem ignoring the trouble makers but when they enter my post and turn it into arguements or change the subject, its like I can't go in and enjoy my own post to see the serious comments and disagreements people make. The trolls take it over and ruin it. I just want to know if anyone else would like a seperate forum. This one can stay and should stay.

[soglad]

That is a brilliant idea. Although, it is a form of censorship to the trolls, I'd rather it that way!

Can't be anything good in the bullshit they spew.

Nice meeting you mate :D

[i_am]

I agree with all of you.

How is that for sitting on the fence? :rolleyes:

David, Yes it would be good to have a section where Premier subscribers could discuss the vid casts and the newsletter. These are not available to all so it is difficult to get into a REAL discussion about them. It would be counter productive, I believe, to have the subscribers just hanging out in their own private room, however.

Phoebe, I agree it would tend to separate people and that is not what we want to do. Even the known 'trolls' often have good information and debating it can be a good thing. Arguing and personal abuse, however is just a pain in the butt and serves no useful purpose IMO :)

Soglad, right on!! Personal discernment :cool:

[davidbarstis]

Nice to meet you soglad. I'm not trying to censor anyone, I don't believe in it. But some of us have a right as subscribers to have a forum without trolls. If I were not a subscriber, I would have no problem leaving the forum to let people go on with all the garbage they want to spew.

[tinmenace]

We've been round and round about this....

Here are some other threads about the same thing

The reason for the recent influx of trolls here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5804)

Fighting on the Forums (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7059)

It's our fault this forum is being destroyed (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6947)

Trolls on the forum (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6696)

Is Thinking Allowed In Official Icke Forum?... (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6831)

Meet Max - The Troll Sniffer (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6724)





This one is just downright funny, a little off-topic but funny - Is David Icke a toaster oven ... ? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6650)

[auron]

Yes, and I've a sneaking suspicion that it's worse behind the scenes and what goes around, comes around.

There are a small bunch of people I know of the forums that I know are special and I can feel the bullshit emanating off the rest.

As long as the beautiful bunch still shine, fuck the rest.
:D:D:D

[davidbarstis]

I agree with all of you.

How is that for sitting on the fence? :rolleyes:

David, Yes it would be good to have a section where Premier subscribers could discuss the vid casts and the newsletter. These are not available to all so it is difficult to get into a REAL discussion about them. It would be counter productive, I believe, to have the subscribers just hanging out in their own private room, however.

Phoebe, I agree it would tend to separate people and that is not what we want to do. Even the known 'trolls' often have good information and debating it can be a good thing. Arguing and personal abuse, however is just a pain in the butt and serves no useful purpose IMO :)

Soglad, right on!! Personal discernment :cool:

Thank you i_am for the positive input. But I think it's far from elitist. Wanting to get away from negative people is not elitist, it's exercising my right to get away and as a subscriber, to have a forum. I'm in no way demanding one, that's up to the people running the site, it's just a though/request/idea what have you. You guys do what you want.

[21_12_2012]

I myself have been guilty of wanting to 'vote trolls off' the forum once when i was having a bad day and started a thread which i regretted doing.

I believe in live and let live...all points of view welcome.. and just take what you want from it all, and leave the rest.

[davidbarstis]

Hi tinmenace, you make positive contributions to the forums. Hope you weren't offended.

[tinmenace]

Hi tinmenace, you make positive contributions to the forums. Hope you weren't offended.

No baby, I'm a premier subscriber under a different name not used on the forum ;)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

I was thinking of this today while reading purple is a fruit thread.

Please consider: This Board is Mr. David Ickes House, There is a vast scope of 'Doctrines' in use amongst humans and others, that range from,'you die and its Game Over, to basking on the 'Beach of the Immortals' one small step from the 'Fountainhead'. A vast array of opinion and thought presented in a myriad of ways.

I say the serious students of Mr. Icke, should have there own FREE section, right above 'News' where matters Icke may be discussed in a manner without distraction from non-serious students. We may all read, but may only positive input to this section. All the other threads remain a free for all.

Strict Moderation, anyone taking a piss, gets booted. A Free section for Mr. Ickes teachings/sharing.

Just my thought, Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[davidbarstis]

I myself have been guilty of wanting to 'vote trolls off' the forum once when i was having a bad day and started a thread which i regretted doing.

I believe in live and let live...all points of view welcome.. and just take what you want from it all, and leave the rest.

Oh, absolutely all views welcome. We've had anti-troll threads before and I thought I was being a little different. A good example of what I'm talking about is phoebes comment at the start of this thread. Comments just to put an unnecessary spin on this post and making a false statement for no reason other than putting a jab in. Childish in my view.

[tinmenace]

Agreed!

It's not opposing views that are the problem, it's the deliberate trolling for the purpose of disruption and to lower the general vibration of the forum, that's the problem.

[21_12_2012]

I think many people on here (including myself sometimes) use humour to diffuse negative feelings/energy which reading this stuff can sometimes cause.

Sometimes sarcasm is taken the wrong way too, and can be construed as 'trolling' to some people, and people come on here in all kinds of different moods, but generally i think it is a great place with genuine loving people, and i am finding it a lot easier now to ignore what i don't like from people's posts, rather than get into arguments.

Arguments happen on all forums, and i think this forum must be a very hard place to moderate sometimes. A lot of things have to be taken into consideration when moderating a forum like this, as it deals with a lot of serious issues, and at the same time is all about being "free to say what you like"... but a good balance has to be set...which i think is the hardest thing to do on this type of forum.

[limelady]

Arguments happen on all forums, and i think this forum must be a very hard place to moderate sometimes. A lot of things have to be taken into consideration when moderating a forum like this, as it deals with a lot of serious issues, and at the same time is all about being "free to say what you like"... but a good balance has to be set...which i think is the hardest thing to do on this type of forum.

This forum is at time very difficult to moderate because people's expectations of how it SHOULD be moderated varies from person to person. By taking one action, you sometimes upset a lot of people who don't understand or agree, but if you didn't take that action, you'd upset another lot of people.

As for a subscriber only forum? Well I can certainly understand where davidbarstis is coming from with this idea, but I'm not so sure such a forum would generate enough interest to keep it buoyant on-going. I think it's because of the interaction with the differing views and opinions of all the forum users that make this forum the unique experience it is. But I do agree it would be great if we could have less of the negative and oft unnecessary off-hand remarks which tend to do little other than lower the energy and hyjack otherwise worthwhile threads.

LL

[davidbarstis]

This forum is at time very difficult to moderate because people's expectations of how it SHOULD be moderated varies from person to person. By taking one action, you sometimes upset a lot of people who don't understand or agree, but if you didn't take that action, you'd upset another lot of people.

As for a subscriber only forum? Well I can certainly understand where davidbarstis is coming from with this idea, but I'm not so sure such a forum would generate enough interest to keep it buoyant on-going. I think it's because of the interaction with the differing views and opinions of all the forum users that make this forum the unique experience it is. But I do agree it would be great if we could have less of the negative and oft unnecessary off-hand remarks which tend to do little other than lower the energy and hyjack otherwise worthwhile threads.

LL
You may be right limelady. Maybe there wouldn't be enough interest. I love the positive feedback here agreeing or not. Thats the spirit people. I couldn't ask for anything more.

[klinker]

Agreed!

It's not opposing views that are the problem, it's the deliberate trolling for the purpose of disruption and to lower the general vibration of the forum, that's the problem.




Right on the money Tin. A few of us have been saying this for a while now.

A good anti troll/disrupter device is the ignore facility or not getting drawn into the bullshit threads in the first place. ;)

[nickatnoon61]

This forum is at time very difficult to moderate because people's expectations of how it SHOULD be moderated varies from person to person. By taking one action, you sometimes upset a lot of people who don't understand or agree, but if you didn't take that action, you'd upset another lot of people.

As for a subscriber only forum? Well I can certainly understand where davidbarstis is coming from with this idea, but I'm not so sure such a forum would generate enough interest to keep it buoyant on-going. I think it's because of the interaction with the differing views and opinions of all the forum users that make this forum the unique experience it is. But I do agree it would be great if we could have less of the negative and oft unnecessary off-hand remarks which tend to do little other than lower the energy and hyjack otherwise worthwhile threads.

LL

Right on LL!!! If u can't stand the heat...get outta the kitchen, sort of thingy,eh!!! And speaking of kitchens, I have some split GREEN pea soup, fer ya, to match yer, new hair!!! I was originally in shock, when I first saw the new "do"! I can be little "tempera MENTAL":eek: sometimes as most genius-chefs are!!! I DO suffer for my soup!!!:( I have some borscht for December, also. Don't tell him I peed in it tho!!!!:eek: :D

[auron]

Man, i gotta try some of your soup now after i keep reading about it! :D

[nickatnoon61]

Man, i gotta try some of your soup now after i keep reading about it! :D
Auron,I got some DeeeeLISH mushroom, comin' right up, fer ya!!!;)

[auron]

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_209.gif

[nickatnoon61]

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_209.gif:D

:D:D

[thirdwave]

chatting on a few forums and stuff... I think you get a huge mixture of people...

now, if a forum is not moderated and people are let to do what ever they want with it, then it never works out and will just end up being a family forum for those who get on with the group there, the rest are cut out unless you go with what they want...

if a forum is moderated then it does not matter if you get ..fools, agents.... trouble makers... racists.... or just sickos.... as they will still have to respect the forum as everyones even if they want to push a point of view that seems aggressive towards what the forum is about...

I think you got to let allot of it go over your head... if you can see that someone does not want to understand this info or that they don't want it to get out then let them stress over it.... if they are trying to hijack your threads then report the post and if its the case they will be told to stop.

I agree with the point made, if you just do your thing and talk your talk then you are adding good stuff to the forum....

the only time that people with bad vibes do affect the place is when you let them and you react in a way that benefits them and their agenda.

this subject is so up in the air for many people which is why they are so defensive allot of the time, as they are not sure what to believe and like to have their comfort zones.... and i think the best way to have this is... judge the info by how it comes to you.... if you believe something, then some aggressive squabbling bully on a forum yelling at you is unlikely to offer any enlightenment.

if you come across something that rings true to you, even if it does not seem to with anyone else....even if in 2 months time something else will ring true and change your mind... its still all true.

[limelady]

Right on LL!!! If u can't stand the heat...get outta the kitchen, sort of thingy,eh!!! And speaking of kitchens, I have some split GREEN pea soup, fer ya, to match yer, new hair!!! I was originally in shock, when I first saw the new "do"! I can be little "tempera MENTAL":eek: sometimes as most genius-chefs are!!! I DO suffer for my soup!!!:( I have some borsht for December, also. Don't tell him I peed in it tho!!!!:eek: :D

OMG.....green split pea soup....you really mean that nick?....its my FAVOURITE!!! I just hope thats "pea" and not "Pee" as in december's soup though :eek:

Sorry my new do was such a shocker....its just a phase I'm in ;)

Now we better knock off this frivolity before we completely bugger up davidb's thread!

Sorry dave...let me know if you'd like me to delete these last couple of silly posts :o

[bicycle]

Oh no not another negative thread, bloody trolls everywhere!

[tinmenace]

Right on the money Tin. A few of us have been saying this for a while now.

A good anti troll/disrupter device is the ignore facility or not getting drawn into the bullshit threads in the first place. ;)

Hey Klinker, where you been bud? :)

[phoebe]

That is a brilliant idea. Although, it is a form of censorship to the trolls, I'd rather it that way!

Can't be anything good in the bullshit they spew.

Nice meeting you mate :D

Can you hear yourself?

No. I don't suppose you can.
It's censorship to anyone who isn't a premier subscriber.
Such as myself and plenty of others.
I reckon if premier subscribers here want a new forum
For just their clique...
They should go and make one.

[phoebe]

Thank you i_am for the positive input. But I think it's far from elitist. Wanting to get away from negative people is not elitist, it's exercising my right to get away and as a subscriber, to have a forum. I'm in no way demanding one, that's up to the people running the site, it's just a though/request/idea what have you. You guys do what you want.


So being a premier subscriber
Automatically ensures someone is
'Positive'?

There's nothing stopping you from going off
And making this forum you wish to have.
Membership could depend upon would-be members
Providing you with proof of their Premier Subscriber status.

[bicycle]

Or how about having a:

Premiership forum

Championship forum

Division one forum

Division two forum.

Then at the end of the season all the best posters will be promoted a division, whilst all the shitey ones demoted.

[nickatnoon61]

Can you hear yourself?

No. I don't suppose you can.
It's censorship to anyone who isn't a premier subscriber.
Such as myself and plenty of others.
I reckon if premier subscribers here want a new forum
For just their clique...
They should go and make one.

Phoebe, kinda like the Elitist Ickists?!?:eek: Zieg heil mein Fuherher!!!

[phoebe]

Or how about having a:

Premiership forum

Championship forum

Division one forum

Division two forum.

Then at the end of the season all the best posters will be promoted a division, whilst all the shitey ones demoted.


Best idea yet!
But you missed Sunday League forum
For those of us who can't/won't pay
For information that can easily be found for free
Elsewhere on the internet.

[thedame]

Best idea yet!
But you missed Sunday League forum
For those of us who can't/won't pay
For information that can easily be found for free
Elsewhere on the internet.

And then at the end of the year all the other conspiracy theorists' premier subscribers can get together for a mass debate championship! We can poach the top forum moderators for huge amounts of money and get them to work for us!

[phoebe]

And then at the end of the year all the other conspiracy theorists' premier subscribers can get together for a mass debate championship! We can poach the top forum moderators for huge amounts of money and get them to work for us!

This just gets better and better.

I say:
'If you're not with us on this, you're against us.'
Time to sort the wheat from the chaff!

[dondaz]

Having a Premier Subscriber forum won't stop the trolls. Some on them would pay to come in and mess it up.

I idea of blanking them and not posting on their threads is a good one, for people who know who the trolls are. It still don't stop newbies from getting sucked in to a trap or leaving this forum in digust over what some trolls have posted.

I know december is a troll, you can't get more blatent. Very masonic he is about it too. Think of the euphoric feelings some of us will get when he's eventually banned:D, perhaps by 2012:eek:.

I will do a special RIP thread to send him on his way. Maybe even a little pisstake movie. Now who would like to see that?

Max has been doing some serious plotting the last couple of weeks and is ready to get back to his good work on this forum.:rolleyes:

His only concern is that some of you may be predjudiced because he is a dog. A dog with a lot of spirit!

Max says troll the trolls:D

[davidbarstis]

So being a premier subscriber
Automatically ensures someone is
'Positive'?

There's nothing stopping you from going off
And making this forum you wish to have.
Membership could depend upon would-be members
Providing you with proof of their Premier Subscriber status.

Phoebe, I notice you like to point things out in posts that aren't there. All one has to do is read your past posts to see. Do me a favor, grow up and stop posting in threads you have nothing to add in. Its funny that when december made a thread about Americans getting over 911 you had nothing to say about it but made a post to me when I simply stated everyone should ignore december.You said " oh like you just did?" when I wasn't even talking to december. Thats what trolls do and in MY opinion your a troll. I see you for who you are and I don't think your intelligent so bug off.

[davidbarstis]

Best idea yet!
But you missed Sunday League forum
For those of us who can't/won't pay
For information that can easily be found for free
Elsewhere on the internet.

Thats interesting. I'm paying for information I can get for free elsewhere. Jeez I feel dumb. Troll.

[thirdwave]

also while i am against it when people come in to just mess the place up... sometimes you can still learn allot from people who not got a clue as apposed to someone who is all clued up...

[nickatnoon61]

Thats interesting. I'm paying for information I can get for free elsewhere. Jeez I feel dumb. Troll.
So what do the "Premiere Scribers" get, that peons like me don't???

[tinmenace]

Weekly newsletters and video-casts.

Totally worth it Nicky. Few bucks a month.

[davidbarstis]

also while i am against it when people come in to just mess the place up... sometimes you can still learn allot from people who not got a clue as apposed to someone who is all clued up...

True. It amazes me that people feel they need to put their two cents in EVERY post instead of letting people have an adult conversation. Disrupting a thread that might be getting close to solving something and completely changing it.

[phoebe]

Phoebe, I notice you like to point things out in posts that aren't there. All one has to do is read your past posts to see. Do me a favor, grow up and stop posting in threads you have nothing to add in. Its funny that when december made a thread about Americans getting over 911 you had nothing to say about it but made a post to me when I simply stated everyone should ignore december.You said " oh like you just did?" when I wasn't even talking to december. Thats what trolls do and in MY opinion your a troll. I see you for who you are and I don't think your intelligent so bug off.

Thank you for your input.
But...
I'll post what I like, where I like.
Actually...
I did write an extensive post on that 9/11 thread
And then decided not to post it
BECAUSE
My opinion on the subject could have been perceived as inflammatory
At the time and I just didn't want to get into it.
Sometimes it's better to withhold your own opinion and just observe.
That is the actions of a troll is it?

Regarding my comment about your post on that thread:
I addressed that on the actual thread... go read it.
Or don't.

So:

Davidbarstis says:
Phoebe is a troll.
Phoebe is unintelligent.
Phoebe should bug off.

Phoebe says:
Davidbarstis is elitist.
Davidbarstis sees only what he wants to see
(Much like everyone else).
Davidbarstis should ignore Phoebe
If her posts aren't to his liking.

[tinmenace]

True. It amazes me that people feel they need to put their two cents in EVERY post instead of letting people have an adult conversation. Disrupting a thread that might be getting close to solving something and completely changing it.




Who are you? I love you!

:)

[phoebe]

Thats interesting. I'm paying for information I can get for free elsewhere. Jeez I feel dumb. Troll.

I'm a troll for pointing out an obvious fact?
OK whatever you say.
:)

[phoebe]

True. It amazes me that people feel they need to put their two cents in EVERY post instead of letting people have an adult conversation. Disrupting a thread that might be getting close to solving something and completely changing it.

You just want things your way.
Everyone else also wants it their way.
Herein lies the problem.
You can't please all the people all of the time.
There is an ignore feature on your User Control Panel
Where you can build a list of those people who's posts
Irritate, annoy or anger you.
Why not utilise it?
Your forum experience might then be
Far more sanitary and to your liking.

[bicycle]

Thank you for your input.
But...
I'll post what I like, where I like.
Actually...
I did write an extensive post on that 9/11 thread
And then decided not to post it
BECAUSE
My opinion on the subject could have been perceived as inflammatory
At the time and I just didn't want to get into it.
Sometimes it's better to withhold your own opinion and just observe.
That is the actions of a troll is it?

Regarding my comment about your post on that thread:
I addressed that on the actual thread... go read it.
Or don't.

So:

Davidbarstis says:
Phoebe is a troll.
Phoebe is unintelligent.
Phoebe should bug off.

Phoebe says:
Davidbarstis is elitist.
Davidbarstis sees only what he wants to see
(Much like everyone else).
Davidbarstis should ignore Phoebe
If her posts aren't to his liking.

Whether I agree with someone or not, I feel they have every right to say it, live and let live.

[bicycle]

You just want things your way.
Everyone else also wants it their way.
Herein lies the problem.
You can't please all the people all of the time.
There is an ignore feature on your User Control Panel
Where you can build a list of those people who's posts
Irritate, annoy or anger you.
Why not utilise it?
Your forum experience might then be
Far more sanitary and to your liking.

Well said:)

Its basically just down to common sense.

[nickatnoon61]

Weekly newsletters and video-casts.

Totally worth it Nicky. Few bucks a month.

Thanx Tinnie,
I get the newsletter but not the videocasts, now.How much exactly? :)

[dondaz]

So what do the "Premiere Scribers" get, that peons like me don't???

£36.00 a year bill:D

[nickatnoon61]

£36.00 a year bill:D

Church Lady says "Isn't that special? :eek:

[i_am]

Thanx Tinnie,
I get the newsletter but not the videocasts, now.How much exactly? :)

Are you getting the full newsletter, nick, or just the update?

[james777]

I'm sorry to say this but the people on this forum who don't know their ass from their face or who for some reason joined this forum when 1) they have nothing positive to add;2) Never read a David Icke book;3) they just want to disrupt everything;4) Fill the forum with absolute garbage and argue things that really aren't arguable;5) Make pointless statements and downright untruths;6) are against Icke;7) respond to threads and completely change the subject or turn them into arguments; on and on and on I could go. There are non subscribers who are great and make definate contributions to this forum but, if there isn't already, there should be a forum for SERIOUS people who support Icke because they want to make a difference in the world. Why can't I talk to people on here without some joker making stupid comments? People making smart ass remarks, telling me I have to prove Jesus didn't exist, saying Icke never critisizes Isreal even though he was sued in Canada for making anti-Semetic remarks (and they obviously never read a book), Ickes books have no facts in them, start a thread on how Americans shouyld get over 911(thats not a discusion thread , its to start arguments with people). Do I need to go on? Just complete garbage. An adult would go through the threads and post when there is something of value to add. All the childish idiots who post just to think your smart or want to argue because your life is so shallow, go away already. As a premier subscriber, my membership should include a serious forum where I don't have to deal with people who don't care. Its not about differences or different opinions or disagreements, Its about those members who just are ruin this forum by making it negative. Can something, anything be done? A different forum? I know I can always just leave the forum, but I like communicating with people around the world. People are ruining it though and they happen to be all non-subscribers? Hmmmmm wonder why?

I think it would be a bad idea if they made this a 'subscriber' only site. A few reasons why I believe so are (1) they would lose a lot of following and the information here would be posted in vain. (2) it wouldn't be in the best interest of 'exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real' and (3) it would just be another form of the 'control' we wish to abolish.

If you don't mind those 3 factors, then yes, of course, make it a subscriber's only site. Just because some 'non-subscribers' ruin it doesn't mean that all non-subscriber's should be punished. This again is another 'divide and rule' principle you're advocating here..........

[heretic]

I think it would be a bad idea if they made this a 'subscriber' only site. A few reasons why I believe so are (1) they would lose a lot of following and the information here would be posted in vain. (2) it wouldn't be in the best interest of 'exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real' and (3) it would just be another form of the 'control' we wish to abolish.

If you don't mind those 3 factors, then yes, of course, make it a subscriber's only site. Just because some 'non-subscribers' ruin it doesn't mean that all non-subscriber's should be punished. This again is another 'divide and rule' principle you're advocating here..........

Ummm, Pot & Kettle scenario from you then James?

http://jadedblue.org/rikki/images/pot_kettle.jpg

:D

[tinmenace]

Thanx Tinnie,
I get the newsletter but not the videocasts, now.How much exactly? :)

Log in at the main website, and they're all there right under the "subscribers" link. All inclusive!

[baron von lotsov]

My contribution is the research I have personally done. I give it to you for free and I have never made a penny in my life out of it. If it became a subscription only forum I'd boycott it, but please understand I'm not one of those just on a free ride here. I put out far more information than a lot of people and get little in return. That's not why I'm here though and I hope to help this forum. If I put out good info then it will attract new people and some will pay for it.

I don't entirely agree with Icke and I'm especially at odds with his recent promotion of the occult and New Age stuff. I think even Icke is realising this now but a lot of you bought it and I can see that if this were subscription only it would become a neat little club of occultists, which incidentally is what the elite's response to this conspiracy movement has been. Look at Shayler, this is how they do it now and I could not allow you people to get away with spreading disinfo. I'm here to raise the standards and prepared to argue to the point where the disinfo will cease. Once enough people understand enough about how things work the forum will police itself and hopefully with a bit of help from the mod's delete key. You people will see, watch it grow as it increases in quality.

[nickatnoon61]

Log in at the main website, and they're all there right under the "subscribers" link. All inclusive!

Thanx Tinnie.......:)

[nickatnoon61]

My contribution is the research I have personally done. I give it to you for free and I have never made a penny in my life out of it. If it became a subscription only forum I'd boycott it, but please understand I'm not one of those just on a free ride here. I put out far more information than a lot of people and get little in return. That's not why I'm here though and I hope to help this forum. If I put out good info then it will attract new people and some will pay for it.

I don't entirely agree with Icke and I'm especially at odds with his recent promotion of the occult and New Age stuff. I think even Icke is realising this now but a lot of you bought it and I can see that if this were subscription only it would become a neat little club of occultists, which incidentally is what the elite's response to this conspiracy movement has been. Look at Shayler, this is how they do it now and I could not allow you people to get away with spreading disinfo. I'm here to raise the standards and prepared to argue to the point where the disinfo will cease. Once enough people understand enough about how things work the forum will police itself and hopefully with a bit of help from the mod's delete key. You people will see, watch it grow as it increases in quality.

Baron, to add to that, when I start seeing Icke on TV and mainstream media, I get very suspicious!

[them]

Most forums I've been involved in have an admin sub forum hidden from the user/subscriber. It's where you have a laugh about the punters and discus who your going to ban next, or not..

I can't see why it would be a problem to have a similar hidden general chat for the subscribers. It's not for me, but I can see how it would make it more perfect for some people inside here.

It might even persuade some of the waverers to join ;)

Perfect Day Contrast Perfect Day

It's all about the contrast

[baron von lotsov]

Baron, to add to that, when I start seeing Icke on TV and mainstream media, I get very suspicious!


Sure. I think the establishment thought they had that one in the bag. This is why this forum needs to get serious and really dig out what is going on. Icke will have to reassess somewhat because I think part of the reason he does this is that he gets a lot of fans, but these are often the very people in need of a bit of help.

No one likes to be conned and it's no use approaching this matter in nice pleasant titbits that vaguely stir their awareness, we need to put the facts on the table and go with it. Reason always wins out at the end of the day but more worrying than that is the demolition of people's minds to using reason. That's where Icke was being subtly manipulated into going, and this has to stop. We will only win if we win the arguments and some need to toughen up a bit. Like an army obstacle course for the mind. A few sparks may fly but this is just at the point where things work, when people put up what they have got and realise that it does not figure. You have to get past that point and then and only then do you make progress. We are essentially fighting system brainwashing, not the person who has fallen victim to it.

[oceanwave]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

I was thinking of this today while reading purple is a fruit thread.

Please consider: This Board is Mr. David Ickes House, There is a vast scope of 'Doctrines' in use amongst humans and others, that range from,'you die and its Game Over, to basking on the 'Beach of the Immortals' one small step from the 'Fountainhead'. A vast array of opinion and thought presented in a myriad of ways.

I say the serious students of Mr. Icke, should have there own FREE section, right above 'News' where matters Icke may be discussed in a manner without distraction from non-serious students. We may all read, but may only positive input to this section. All the other threads remain a free for all.

Strict Moderation, anyone taking a piss, gets booted. A Free section for Mr. Ickes teachings/sharing.

Just my thought, Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

nothing personal here,..

...but it bugs me to see the words "student", "teachings" associated with david icke

...rant over, carry on...

:D

[oceanwave]

also while i am against it when people come in to just mess the place up... sometimes you can still learn allot from people who not got a clue as apposed to someone who is all clued up...

...indeed...

[montag]

nothing personal here,..

...but it bugs me to see the words "student", "teachings" associated with david icke

...rant over, carry on...

:D
Hey Oceanwave, we're all teachers and we're all students in our own way..

[oceanwave]

Hey Oceanwave, we're all teachers and we're all students in our own way..

of course, however,..

..it get's a bit much when we start saying it...

:cool:

[davidbarstis]

I think it would be a bad idea if they made this a 'subscriber' only site. A few reasons why I believe so are (1) they would lose a lot of following and the information here would be posted in vain. (2) it wouldn't be in the best interest of 'exposing the dreamworld we believe to be real' and (3) it would just be another form of the 'control' we wish to abolish.

If you don't mind those 3 factors, then yes, of course, make it a subscriber's only site. Just because some 'non-subscribers' ruin it doesn't mean that all non-subscriber's should be punished. This again is another 'divide and rule' principle you're advocating here..........

Thank you and everyone for their honest opinion. I just don't see how it is elitist or an example of divide and rule. No one is seeking to shut this forum down or stop non subscribers from communicating. I just believe there are serious people here and people who just don't really care. I would hate to see this forum get ruined by an influx of trolls or whatever you want to call them. Or, it might not happen and the trolls start leaving. Who knows?
Is it divide and rule that Icke doesn't just let any and all people into his discussions? Or let all the hecklers in who aren't interested in learning ruin it for those who are or want to wake up? It's peoples own choice what they want to believe or if they are willing to open their minds or not so what is the point of arguing with those who do not care and just want to promote their own theories and try to discredit Icke?
There are many great posters here who are not subscribers but how exactly is it punishment for subscribers to be who have read Ickes work and feel strongly enough to financially give a little, to have an area where there are no hecklers? Where exactly are your rights being infringed upon? Is it elitist that we have access to newsletters and video casts?
Nothing would change except the subscribers would have a quieter place to go if they choose or they can chat in this forum. It's not about control, it's about choice. Just like you have a choice to subscribe.

[Ian2day]

The op is a troll of the highest order. This is the sort of inflamatory thread that creates division. Which is ultimately what Icke is against. As it stops the collective from reaching its full potential. Where does the droplet stop and the ocean begin? In a safe sanatised subscription service the ocean can not begin.

[gold]

Oh no not another negative thread, bloody trolls everywhere!

Yeh! I wish they'd do a bunk, because every time I hear the name troll I burst out into fits of laughter and it's killing me :D:D:D:D

[limelady]

Well I used to think these type of threads a bit negative, but I've changed my tune on that, because they do serve as a sort of pressure-release-valve in the sense that everybody gets to have a say.

Although its not my decision to make, I can't see a premier subscriber only forum getting underway in the near future, as it would be my guess David has provided us THIS venue for discussion on the basis of understanding that we might be enlightened enough to use his many years of research as a basis on which to lead the charge for a better way for humanity to sort differences, and sort them in a more enlightened, less controlled way.

Or are we really still that immature that we need separate play-pens to prevent us pulling each other's hair out by the roots?

After all, if we (who see a desperate need for positive change in the world)can't learn better ways to 'be' right here on the DI forum (more tolerant, more caring, more understanding, accepting, loving etc), without the need for "them" and "us" segregation, then our chances of living long enough to see humanity lifting it's act 'out there' seem a little bleak don't they? :cool:


LL :)

[baron von lotsov]

Actually I like this place in that it does not censor every slightest disagreement or off topic or whatever. I'm quite sick of having to be careful whether I trigger reactions in mods with posts getting deleted. I use the Channel 4 forum and they are just so touchy about certain issues. For example, you mention something like you feel the immigrants should not be allowed into the UK and you are racist- whack!!! You say you think homosexuals are perverts and whack!!! On it goes, so I have to devise super sneaky tactics to communicate these ideas every time I see some blatant system brainwashing being promoted.

However each forum has its downside and so I have to switch between one and the next. If this forum was really uncovering the system agenda I can tell you straight it would get bombarded with trolls and I'm talking about the paid ones as well as the terminally brainwashed people out there. That's when you know you are attacking the system, when it starts to attack you. As it is this place is only moderately a threat to the system, I mean the system has done the nut job smear on Icke and hence it attracts those kinds of people to the extent that it disarms him. Many don't take it seriously and for the system to have won it is necessary for followers of Icke to appear like loonies. This is why trolls on here will make idiotic posts; so casual visitors make that association.

[bicycle]

Hey Oceanwave, we're all teachers and we're all students in our own way..

Oh no, not more labels....:confused:

[tinmenace]

New TROLL species discovered....Dick-TROLLS (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8223)