muslim demographic timebomb

[picha]

Demographic time bomb: millions of Muslim immigrants will change Europe beyond recognition, and almost no policymakers are talking about it
And those who are talking about it are smeared and vilified as racists and bigots. When a nuclear-powered Islamic Republic of France threatens the U.S., however, some Americans may come to regret the ease with which they swallowed and even propagated defamation and lies about anti-jihad European politicians such as Geert Wilders.

"Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent," by Adrian Michaels in the Telegraph, August 8 (thanks to Alan of England):

Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.
The numbers are startling. Only 3.2 per cent of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4 per cent. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015. In Brussels, the top seven baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.

Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society. The altered population mix has far-reaching implications for education, housing, welfare, labour, the arts and everything in between. It could have a critical impact on foreign policy: a study was submitted to the US Air Force on how America's relationship with Europe might evolve. Yet EU officials admit that these issues are not receiving the attention they deserve.

Jerome Vignon, the director for employment and social affairs at the European Commission, said that the focus of those running the EU had been on asylum seekers and the control of migration rather than the integration of those already in the bloc. "It has certainly been underestimatede_SLps [sic] there is a general rhetoric that social integration of migrants should be given as much importance as monitoring the inflow of migrants." But, he said, the rhetoric had rarely led to policy.

The countries of the EU have long histories of welcoming migrants, but in recent years two significant trends have emerged. Migrants have come increasingly from outside developed economies, and they have come in accelerating numbers.

The growing Muslim population is of particular interest. This is not because Muslims are the only immigrants coming into the EU in large numbers; there are plenty of entrants from all points of the compass. But Muslims represent a particular set of issues beyond the fact that atrocities have been committed in the West in the name of Islam.

America's Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, part of the non-partisan Pew Research Center, said in a report: "These [EU] countries possess deep historical, cultural, religious and linguistic traditions. Injecting hundreds of thousands, and in some cases millions, of people who look, speak and act differently into these settings often makes for a difficult social fit."...


That is not the core of the problem. The core of the problem is that they have a ready-made system of laws and customs that they consider superior to the laws and customs of Europe, and are ready to replace the one with the other. And their system denies freedom of speech and conscience, as well as equality of rights for women and non-Muslims. As such, all free people should be fighting against it.

[turbine]

I don't want to sound racist but there seems to be a large unflux of them at the moment. No doubt this is going unnoticed for a reason.

[cpfc12]

I don't want to sound racist but there seems to be a large unflux of them at the moment. No doubt this is going unnoticed for a reason.

doesn't make you racist at all, and if they were to notice it, then they would be accused of that. I can't really see a problem to be honest, people are people :cool:i am more worried about the real aliens that are coming to our shores.

[turbine]

doesn't make you racist at all, and if they were to notice it, then they would be accused of that. I can't really see a problem to be honest, people are people :cool:i am more worried about the real aliens that are coming to our shores.

Don't worry about the aliens. Their all taken care of. :cool:

[picha]

I don't want to sound racist but there seems to be a large unflux of them at the moment. No doubt this is going unnoticed for a reason.

The ptb allowed them to come here because they know full well we wont get along.

[tb303]

All part of the plan:

The 3 Wars of Albert Pike - YouTube

[ndc777]

Britain (and EU?) will soon round up their Muslim citizens like Germany rounded up the Jews 70 years ago.

[turbine]

Britain (and EU?) will soon round up their Muslim citizens like Germany rounded up the Jews 70 years ago.

Doubt it. People won't stand for it. Well, those with a proper soul that is.

[gilly]

The ptb allowed them to come here because they know full well we wont get along.

It's a good opportunity to prove them wrong then. ;)

[ndc777]

Doubt it. People won't stand for it. Well, those with a proper soul that is.

It's real.

After more major terrorist attacks coming soon, all Muslims will be deemed a threat to society by the government and will have to be rounded up. No doubt it will have immense support from Jews and the majority of the British public.

The future for Muslims is either in prison camps or cannon fodder for USA/EU/Israel nuclear missiles in Muslim countries.

[turbine]

It's real.

After more major terrorist attacks coming soon, all Muslims will be deemed a threat to society by the government and will have to be rounded up. No doubt it will have immense support from Jews and the majority of the British public.

The future for Muslims is either in prison camps or cannon fodder for USA/EU/Israel nuclear missiles in Muslim countries.

I'm not a muslim, but I'll be against that. Our grandad's didn't die for nothing fighting the nazis.

[nofuture]

They'd only have to come to this forum to get recruits to drop the Zyklon B.

[frase]

I agree this is worrying, it doesn;t make sense to me though.
The whole muslim community was demonised with the inside job of 9/11 and 7/7, yet TPTB are swelling the nu,mber here more and more.
I went out for a run near where i live the other day, and all I saw was ethnic people everywhere, every time I go to the Dr's also.
This country has changed beyone belief, and this is Wales, cities in England white people are now in the minority.....
I am NOT a racist at all, but where does it stop.
Do we want Sharia law for the Uk and our women covered up from top to bottom?

[leviathanstaar]

I'd be fine with it if the laws (the non draconian, if there even are any) are not attacked.

Get a majority and call for sharia law and you can gtfo. It's too easily abused.

[tyler]

Note how the shills muck up any debate on this topic?

The muslims are being brought here deliberately to break up the nation states of Europe. Historically Europeans have never got on with muslims neither have most other ethnic groups. Their backward way of life is totally alien to ours but they seem to be overwhelming us by the way they breed.

All of this is done for a purpose. The evil scum who are doing this intend to basically get rid of Europeans and substitute a dumbed down coffee coloured population of illiterate non-thinking slaves who will be kept happy with daft rap music, sex, drugs and silly TV and a few material goodies.

[teardropexplodes]

I'm not a muslim, but I'll be against that. Our grandad's didn't die for nothing fighting the nazis.

Maybe they did. We always invoke their sacrifices when we discuss possible tryannies yet we all stood by as they built the undemocratic superstate that is the EU. Let's face it, most of us are all talk and when the shit hits the fan we'll just go along with it.
The EU, Israel, the World Bank and the United Nations was what WW2 was all about.
I don't think any of our grandparents understood what they were fighting for. Same with the Germans.

[bendoon]

Britain (and EU?) will soon round up their Muslim citizens like Germany rounded up the Jews 70 years ago.

No, its the white British that will be rounded up and put in camps and its about time people woke up to the fact.

[free thinker]

It's a good opportunity to prove them wrong then. ;)

I dunno Gilly, I will befreind no muslim that butchers young girls, and treat women the way they do..

[bluman]

no, its the white british that will be rounded up and put in camps and its about time people woke up to the fact.

fucking exactly!

[mightyoak]

No, its the white British that will be rounded up and put in camps and its about time people woke up to the fact.

Truest statement i'v heard Do some off you sheep expect those islamic extremists as power is transfered into there hands by shear numbers to not rip up the infedels human rights charter They used to protect them during the conquest off western europe .

[gilly]

I dunno Gilly, I will befreind no muslim that butchers young girls, and treat women the way they do..

Do you know any of those here?

[mightyoak]

Do you know any of those here?

Well they wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops now would they gilly
Ever heard off Al-takkeya

[kde_]

A Muslim is a follower of Islam, it's a religion not a race right, this may as well read Buddhist demographic time bomb. So what if ppl wanna be Muslim we have freedom to be what ever religion we want. All the media what is fear

[gilly]

Well they wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops now would they gilly
Ever heard off Al-takkeya

So it reads like some are saying that they won't befriend a Muslim just incase they butcher young children etc?

I find that ridiculous, having worked with a lot of young Muslim people in the past, who were a much a mixed bag of attitudes and personalities as any others.

[mightyoak]

So it reads like some are saying that they won't befriend a Muslim just incase they butcher young children etc?

I find that ridiculous, having worked with a lot of young Muslim people in the past, who were a much a mixed bag of attitudes and personalities as any others.

There are without doubt many young muslims who have adopted the western values and mix openly with the infedel for now.
However In the future as they become significantly more powerful with overwhelming numbers. Do you think they will be so amiable to those very same infedel. Who do not want/ need or desire OR Accept there version off religious indoctrination.

[gilly]

There are without doubt many young muslims who have adopted the western values and mix openly with the infedel for now.
However In the future as they become significantly more powerful with overwhelming numbers. Do you think they will be so amiable to those very same infedel. Who do not want/ need or desire OR Accept there version off religious indoctrination.

In the main, yes I do.

[mightyoak]

Care to ellaborate gilly Convince me that i shouldn't be worried

[forestgrump]

Note how the shills muck up any debate on this topic?
You've got to get over calling anyone with an opposing opinion a 'shill'. It doesn't endear you and, by association, your point of view to them. You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word 'debate'. I am sympathetic to your point of view but the word 'shill' just gets my hackles up. I also think the problem doesn't lie so much with the immigration policy these days as with the abuse of the asylum process and some of the people who get in via that method.

[gilly]

Care to ellaborate gilly Convince me that i shouldn't be worried

Why don't you elaborate on why you feel we should be worried. What makes you think that every Muslim is some maniacal, murderous zealot?

[bluman]

Why don't you elaborate on why you feel we should be worried. What makes you think that every Muslim is some maniacal, murderous zealot?

Simple answer to that : the Qur'an

[mightyoak]

you jump to conclusions a bit to quick gilly

I DO NOT think every muslim is maniacal, murderous zealot as you put it. That is just your blinkerered perception off anyone who is worried i expect. But radical islam is spread by the sword and off that i have no doubts.I could post stuff but cant be bothered here Reason i can see the usual racist nazi attacks upon my person All is there at your fingertips for you to go and seek .

[forestgrump]

I think one of the most unsettling things is the emergence of sharia courts in the UK. We're not talking about radical terrorists here but about mainstream muslims. How would the powers that be like it if I convened a 'chav' court in Essex and started dispensing summary justice based on my chav beliefs, were I a chav, of course.

[bluman]

I think one of the most unsettling things is the emergence of sharia courts in the UK. We're not talking about radical terrorists here but about mainstream muslims. How would the powers that be like it if I convened a 'chav' court in Essex and started dispensing summary justice based on my chav beliefs, were I a chav, of course.

Fucking Exactly!

The Muslims are under the jurisdiction of England they shall abide by our laws!

Not side step them and setting up their own Sharian courts! Its a bloody joke! What next! The shutting down of the old English courts when the true British people become the minority!

[gilly]

you jump to conclusions a bit to quick gilly

I DO NOT think every muslim is maniacal, murderous zealot as you put it. That is just your blinkerered perception off anyone who is worried i expect. But radical islam is spread by the sword and off that i have no doubts.I could post stuff but cant be bothered here Reason i can see the usual racist nazi attacks upon my person All is there at your fingertips for you to go and seek .

Hang on a minute - hold the accusatory labels!

I take people as I find them, and when asked to justify not being 'worried' about Muslim people in general, I find it an implication that I should be. I see that as fear mongering, and a subtle incitement against these people, which I find destructive.

Those that don't agree with your concerns (which you decline to specify, stating you can't be bothered, and fear 'attack' from people, *more labelling used to describe these people*, who won't agree with you) are blinkered?

Yes there is lots of information at our fingertips - along with lots of disinformation, prejudice and paranoia.

[forestgrump]

A Muslim is a follower of Islam, it's a religion not a race right, this may as well read Buddhist demographic time bomb. So what if ppl wanna be Muslim we have freedom to be what ever religion we want. All the media what is fear
Not really. Islam seems to have its own set of society rules which many of its followers do not seem to able to compromise on. Hence, the 'honour' killings in Europe, not to mention various other atrocities. You could argue that this is a twisted version of Islam but its often hard to pinpoint where it veers off from the mainstream and it seems to be quite popular. Obviously you do also get other flavours of fundamentalist but they don't appear to be quite as prevalent.

[solarwindspirit]

I dunno Gilly, I will befreind no muslim that butchers young girls, and treat women the way they do..

look you are trained to see only half of the morality
you're all wrong

I mean it's the whole lump of ya

[solarwindspirit]

A Muslim is a follower of Islam, it's a religion not a race right, this may as well read Buddhist demographic time bomb. So what if ppl wanna be Muslim we have freedom to be what ever religion we want. All the media what is fear

lot of laughs

the first caucasian religion was similar to that of buddism in the fertile crescent of what is now called Afghanistan

If you can't find a religion or god to hide behind to justify killing

then it's something else. . .why can't the mind of man decide to agree to disagree and learn other peaceful resolve. . .then being the masters of deception and disaster. . .like cave men?

[zarah]

As usual, a member who is openly hostile to anything even smelling of Islam, opens up an 'debate' which is baseless, with the obvious intention of causing yet another argument and further dividing us.

Of course tptb are ensuring that each country is culturally diluted. This ensures the erosion of a national identity, which makes any changes, including the introduction of world government, a easier pill for us to swallow - in theory. We also live in a country which is called a democracy but which is actually a oligarchial, plurocratic system, so the population have no right of reply to these alterations.

If we think rationally, without any learned behaviour which dicates that western equals civilised, white equals superior intelligence and reactionary religion equals beackwards, it could be assumed that, a militant agenda within Islam is being propagated, to further frustrate non Muslims and cause yet more antagonism and division between all sides.

Has anyone actually read the Talmud? I've never, in my entire life, read a more horrific, disgusting and racist piece of writing in my life....yet the general population is kept unaware. Why?


And where does Picha come from? Has anyone read any posts from her/him which are unconnected with Islam?

[forestgrump]

So it reads like some are saying that they won't befriend a Muslim just incase they butcher young children etc?

I find that ridiculous, having worked with a lot of young Muslim people in the past, who were a much a mixed bag of attitudes and personalities as any others.
Just drawing on my personal experience here, I've found that you can get along well with people of all cultures well under normal circumstances but when there's a little pressure, or things are out of the ordinary, people who you assumed were relatively sophisticated can suddenly withdraw into the superstition and (possibly) primitive thought that pervades the culture they were brought up in.

[kde_]

lot of laughs

the first caucasian religion was similar to that of buddism in the fertile crescent of what is now called Afghanistan

If you can't find a religion or god to hide behind to justify killing

then it's something else. . .why can't the mind of man decide to agree to disagree and learn other peaceful resolve. . .then being the masters of deception and disaster. . .like cave men?

no disagreement whats your point?

[hadabusa]

may be part of an agenda.
but most muslims are moderate/borderline atheists.
islam is rather a social program then pure brainwashing(RCC).
ok, somebody tries hard, giving extremist ?teachers? platforms for hate speech , held where law has no say.in churches.mosques.

who owns mosques btw?
islam has no ceo(poopipope), do they?

again, most are moderate.
and other religions arent better.


i only trust one guy.
me.

[teardropexplodes]

The most pressing, insidious threat we face right now as free humanity is the eugenics soft kill weaponry which is killing thousands each day in this country alone.
Also, the banks are now making their moves to consolidate their power with open discussion of a world banking system and currency into which we'll all pay our carbon taxes.
The islamic world is being assaulted with the full force of the two most zionist nations of the west and hundreds of thousands of muslims are being slaughtered in their own land on the alter of zionism and greater israel.
False-flag terror atrocities are being orchestrated to keep us all in our sheep pen. In the next few months there's going to be another which could dwarf even 9/11.
There's an elite out there which despises free humanity and claims to be the chosen race.
Mandelson, Rothschild and Geffen all met together on the largest yacht in the world while Mandelson was supposed to be running the country.
What do these three have in common?

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry I've not got time to read this whole thread. Is that movie Demographic Bomb released yet?

[slowenia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ybhcIiOu8Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php%3 Fid%3D1173584700%26ref%3Dprofile&feature=player_embedded

[eternal_spirit]

Muslims will lie about what their religion is about and what's really in the Koran and what Mohammed was like.

"Taqiyya" is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi'a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi'a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers.

"In the 1990s violence occurred between Muslims and non-Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kashmir, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, the Middle East, Sudan and Nigeria.

"Mujahedin fighters from the Afghanistan war were central participants in many of these conflicts as well as in Muslim terrorist organizations in countries throughout the world. In the mid-1990s, roughly half the ethnic conflicts in the world involved Muslims fighting each other or non-Muslims.
(tip of the iceburg)

And yet, far and wide we hear "Islam is a religion of peace." There are three main reasons that phrase is repeated so often. One is because of the religious duty of Islamists to deceive unbelievers (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/10/taqiyya-religious-deception.html). And the other is that Islamists have an entirely different interpretation (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-religion-of-peace-really-means.html) of the the phrase "religion of peace" than the one that naturally occurs to people in free countries.

And the third is that ignorant westerners, trying to be sensitive and multicultural, say Islam is a religion of peace because it is the politically correct thing to say. They are unwittingly helping the Islamists keep westerners in the dark while the Islamists advance their purposes (the overthrow of western governments in Europe (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/08/europe-shariatized-beating-of-wives.html) and the USA (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/09/20-year-plan-to-overthrow-us-government.html)).

ES notes - Which they have been trying to take over since the 7th century (get to know your history about islamic Jihads they started the attacks on the west first)

links underlined

[eternal_spirit]

Most used/popular babys name is Mohammed in Britain and other European countries.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76596

the Muslim birthrate is roughly three times higher than the nonMuslim one.

[aitch]

As usual, a member who is openly hostile to anything even smelling of Islam, opens up an 'debate' which is baseless, with the obvious intention of causing yet another argument and further dividing us.So true, the spreading of hate and prejudice against Jews and Muslims is very much condoned on this Forum - much like it is on a Nazi or BNP Forum! :rolleyes:

[hadabusa]

I could go into this in great detail by repeating what I've been saying for some time (now I know the game)

Muslims will lie about what their religion is about and what's really in the Koran and what Mohammed was like.

"Taqiyya" is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi'a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi'a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers.

"In the 1990s violence occurred between Muslims and non-Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kashmir, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, the Middle East, Sudan and Nigeria.

"Mujahedin fighters from the Afghanistan war were central participants in many of these conflicts as well as in Muslim terrorist organizations in countries throughout the world. In the mid-1990s, roughly half the ethnic conflicts in the world involved Muslims fighting each other or non-Muslims.
(tip of the iceburg)

And yet, far and wide we hear "Islam is a religion of peace." There are three main reasons that phrase is repeated so often. One is because of the religious duty of Islamists to deceive unbelievers (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/10/taqiyya-religious-deception.html). And the other is that Islamists have an entirely different interpretation (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-religion-of-peace-really-means.html) of the the phrase "religion of peace" than the one that naturally occurs to people in free countries.

And the third is that ignorant westerners, trying to be sensitive and multicultural, say Islam is a religion of peace because it is the politically correct thing to say. They are unwittingly helping the Islamists keep westerners in the dark while the Islamists advance their purposes (the overthrow of western governments in Europe (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/08/europe-shariatized-beating-of-wives.html) and the USA (http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/2007/09/20-year-plan-to-overthrow-us-government.html)).

ES notes - Which they have been trying to take over since the 7th century (get to know your history about islamic Jihads they started the attacks on the west first) I'll dig out quotes if asked?

links underlined
yup,once theyre the majority, the outcry4democracy will follow.
democracy, where majority is truth.
vey stupid system.

[mightyoak]

Those off you that accept this mass infiltration off the west by the islamic hoards and others , are protecting the agenda off the zionist nwo anyway. You have become so pre-conditioned to attack those that show genuine concerns to the future and protection off there own way off life. Your a racist your a nazi etc etc etc I can hear it now. Open up your eyes ffs.

There is so much evidence that islam is being whipped up into a frenzy, With some intent on nothing more nothing less than the destruction off the infedel way off life. Evidence off which is in the Past present and future

Not all muslims are terrorists, but a great many are sympathetic too the cause. Allah ordained it. And yes folks all instigated by the zionist cartels off the nwo.
I want to see the boarders in Britain infact Europe closed forthwith and order brought back to those who have grave concerns........About the jewish controlled islamification off the my world

[macdon]

Muslims are being used as a genetic weapon against the UK and the rest of Europe. Once we are taken over by them and their primitive 3rd world religion we would have lost the fight. The greatest threat to the Illuminati is the nation state, the purer, the bigger the threat. Destroy the nation demographically and you have nation not willing to fight for anything - a pushover for the Illuminati.

I don't see the need for any Muslims, other than tourists, to be in Europe. All one need do is see how they treat westerners in their lands to further reinforce the idea.

[teardropexplodes]

I want to see the boarders in Britain infact Europe closed forthwith and order brought back to those who have grave concerns........About the jewish controlled islamification off the my world

But let's not ignore the eugenics culling and poisoning being turned upon us all by the ZshkeNazis. Or the creation of a world government and bank and currency. Or their false flag terror atrocities against us.

If we closed our "boarders" tomorrow all of these quiet outrages would continue. Exposing these scum must be our primary concern in our quest to be truly free.

If we follow the thoughts of the zionist co-opted nationalist movement from such shills as Griffin we are doomed.

[tyler]

You've got to get over calling anyone with an opposing opinion a 'shill'. It doesn't endear you and, by association, your point of view to them. You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word 'debate'. I am sympathetic to your point of view but the word 'shill' just gets my hackles up. I also think the problem doesn't lie so much with the immigration policy these days as with the abuse of the asylum process and some of the people who get in via that method.

New here, aren't you? Stick around for a while and you will understand what I am talking about.
Oh, and get off that fence before you fall off and make a complete eejit of yourself. On this forum those who sit in the middle of the road tend to get splattered all over the highway!
Much love, Tyler.

[tyler]

As usual, a member who is openly hostile to anything even smelling of Islam, opens up an 'debate' which is baseless, with the obvious intention of causing yet another argument and further dividing us.

Of course tptb are ensuring that each country is culturally diluted. This ensures the erosion of a national identity, which makes any changes, including the introduction of world government, a easier pill for us to swallow - in theory. We also live in a country which is called a democracy but which is actually a oligarchial, plurocratic system, so the population have no right of reply to these alterations.

If we think rationally, without any learned behaviour which dicates that western equals civilised, white equals superior intelligence and reactionary religion equals beackwards, it could be assumed that, a militant agenda within Islam is being propagated, to further frustrate non Muslims and cause yet more antagonism and division between all sides.

Has anyone actually read the Talmud? I've never, in my entire life, read a more horrific, disgusting and racist piece of writing in my life....yet the general population is kept unaware. Why?


And where does Picha come from? Has anyone read any posts from her/him which are unconnected with Islam?

Succinctly put, Zara,

[tyler]

Those off you that accept this mass infiltration off the west by the islamic hoards and others , are protecting the agenda off the zionist nwo anyway. You have become so pre-conditioned to attack those that show genuine concerns to the future and protection off there own way off life. Your a racist your a nazi etc etc etc I can hear it now. Open up your eyes ffs.

There is so much evidence that islam is being whipped up into a frenzy, With some intent on nothing more nothing less than the destruction off the infedel way off life. Evidence off which is in the Past present and future

Not all muslims are terrorists, but a great many are sympathetic too the cause. Allah ordained it. And yes folks all instigated by the zionist cartels off the nwo.
I want to see the boarders in Britain infact Europe closed forthwith and order brought back to those who have grave concerns........About the jewish controlled islamification off the my world
I agree with most of this. It is all being orchestrated by Zionist, NWO, banking interests.

[picha]

Succinctly put, Zara,

I presume you would like to live in a country where islam gets the final say on everything?

[tyler]

Muslims are being used as a genetic weapon against the UK and the rest of Europe. Once we are taken over by them and their primitive 3rd world religion we would have lost the fight. The greatest threat to the Illuminati is the nation state, the purer, the bigger the threat. Destroy the nation demographically and you have nation not willing to fight for anything - a pushover for the Illuminati.

I don't see the need for any Muslims, other than tourists, to be in Europe. All one need do is see how they treat westerners in their lands to further reinforce the idea.
I agree with this too. I also believe the west should get out of muslim countries such as Afghanistan and Palestine. We cannot live together in the same community. We are chalk and cheese. What is wrong with living seperately like we have always done in the past?
The inhabitants of the failed state of Somalia are being used to flood Europe and America with black muslims to destroy all that we are.

[mightyoak]

I agree with this too. I also believe the west should get out of muslim countries such as Afghanistan and Palestine. We cannot live together in the same community. We are chalk and cheese. What is wrong with living seperately like we have always done in the past?
The inhabitants of the failed state of Somalia are being used to flood Europe and America with black muslims to destroy all that we are.

But they wont do it on there own, not yet anyways. There are not enough off them ! They can only do destruction off a nation by causing the infighting amongst the indiginious Take a look at yesterdays performances by the UAF in Birmingham How many asian muslims where instigating the violence as a prime example.

And yes i agree we have no rights what so ever to be manipulating political/religious off Afganistan Iraq or any other soveriegn state. As long as our interests and saftey do not become threatened .

[minton]

It's the system which is to blame ultimately, those Muslims and other immigrants who are emigrating to Europe are only the symptom, not the problem itself.

The financial system requires cheap labour and a growing birth rate to continue as a feasible system. So on the one hand the political system talks about tackling immigration, but on other hand it looks for ways to bring more immigrants into the country. The political system merely carries out the orders of this financial system and the immigration issue is one of these issues where they have to say one thing to the electorate and another to their financial paymasters.

Most immigrants don't also emigrate only for religious reasons, most emigrate for economic reasons. Take away any financial gain for these immigrants, but give them a way out, either to another country or back to their own country and they usually won't hang about too long. It's no coincidence that the less economically driven and more rural parts of any country are usually also those with the least immigrants. It's a complete scam and the way to tackle it, isn't to attack the symptom of those immigrants who come to live in another country, it's to change the system to one which doesn't require endless immigration in order to survive.

[zarah]

I presume you would like to live in a country where islam gets the final say on everything?

You're talking crap and you know it. Your whole purpose in this place seems to be to create disharmony and invoke fear. I'd lay money on you not being who you say you are...

[zarah]

And yes i agree we have no rights what so ever to be manipulating political/religious off Afganistan Iraq or any other soveriegn state. As long as our interests n saftey become threatened .

Can I ask you a couple of questions?

1. Which mainstream newspaper dyou read and what news channel do you watch?

2. What's your favourite programme on tv?


Secondly...when you talk about 'our interests' ...who is 'our' and what do you define as 'interests'?

[zarah]

I agree with this too. I also believe the west should get out of muslim countries such as Afghanistan and Palestine. We cannot live together in the same community. We are chalk and cheese. What is wrong with living seperately like we have always done in the past?
The inhabitants of the failed state of Somalia are being used to flood Europe and America with black muslims to destroy all that we are.

I agree with you completely.

[picha]

You're talking crap and you know it. Your whole purpose in this place seems to be to create disharmony and invoke fear. I'd lay money on you not being who you say you are...

Im not trying to scare people at all, im just trying to wake people up to what islam has in store for them. Islam does not go anywhere to assimilate or integrate is goes to other places to replace the host culture with its own culture. Muslims generally dont believe that all religions are basically equal, they believe its allahs final transmission to humanity.

[mightyoak]

Can I ask you a couple of questions?

1. Which mainstream newspaper dyou read and what news channel do you watch?

2. What's your favourite programme on tv?


Secondly...when you talk about 'our interests' ...who is 'our' and what do you define as 'interests'?

1 and 2 are not worth answering

My Personal interest are based entirly on my childrens well being and saftey
" Ours " is a reflection to the people i class as my family friends and brethren, WHOS SAFTEY is also off great concern to me.

[mightyoak]

Im not trying to scare people at all, im just trying to wake people up to what islam has in store for them. Islam does not go anywhere to assimilate or integrate is goes to other places to replace the host culture with its own culture. Muslims generally dont believe that all religions are basically equal, they believe its allahs final transmission to humanity.

Very well put picha

Google muslim atrocities folks. When islam marches it destroys all before No quarter given

So as not to turn this into a race matter Just politley ask hindus about the 1946 partition off the Indian sub-continent, and the massacres in the hindu kush region.

[zarah]

Im not trying to scare people at all, im just trying to wake people up to what islam has in store for them. Islam does not go anywhere to assimilate or integrate is goes to other places to replace the host culture with its own culture. Muslims generally dont believe that all religions are basically equal, they believe its allahs final transmission to humanity.

What YOU think Islam has in store, isn't necessarily true, right?

You completely misunderstand the concept of faith, belief and Islam, in my opinion. You twist and turn the concepts of Islam and then, when it finally suits your purpose...you make a post or a series of posts. If you can find some 'Muslim scholar' to reinforce your point..all the better.

Does any faith truly believe all religions are equal? Let's get real....have you met any Jews lately who believe that their faith isn't the true version? Any Christians who believe that their doctrines are equal to Islam's? Of course not. Organised religion is designed to divide and rule. If we were all on the same page and not distracted by our differences, we'd be a force to be reckoned with, wouldn't we?

Are you aware that the CIA funded anti American propaganda in Afghanistani schools for at least 3 decades before the inception of the Taliban, which was another CIA invention in its fight against the Russians. Do you have any idea why this might have been orchestrated?

I would absoloutely bet my last pound that you haven't ever taken the time and trouble to read the Qu'ran. You haven't done anything more than read interpreted surahs on the net published by sites with an anti Islamic agenda. You then propagate your cack here in an effort to divide us...members who hope to gain a little more understanding and clarity about the real agenda of those who control governments and policies in the world around us. Unfortunately, some members can't see what youre really about and believe your claptrap..which is a shame.

[zarah]

1 and 2 are not worth answering

My Personal interest are based entirly on my childrens well being and saftey
" Ours " is a reflection to the people i class as my family friends and brethren, WHOS SAFTEY is also off great concern to me.

Questions 1 and 2 would indicate where you gain the majority of the information that you process.

If you're that concerned, wake up. Muslims are in the same boat as us...the one that's fucked. Those in power, those that decide which countries will be invaded, what natural resources will be stolen...what lies we'll be told are the justifications..they're the ones who you should worry about.

[zarah]

Very well put picha

Google muslim atrocities folks. When islam marches it destroys all before No quarter given

So as not to turn this into a race matter Just politley ask hindus about the 1946 partition off the Indian sub-continent, and the massacres in the hindu kush region.

What on earth are you talking about? Seriously.

Please gain some clarity and do some intelligent research. This is the David Icke forum...not KKK unite group in Facebook.

[eternal_spirit]

Offensive Jihad, Futuhat and Islamic Conquests

quotes from islamic websites
(note: some of the url's may have become inoperative; updates/new url's will be given here when found)

mirrored at: http://islamdebatingkit.ezfish.net/jihad.html


From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)

For easier reading link - http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

[deem]

It's real.

After more major terrorist attacks coming soon, all Muslims will be deemed a threat to society by the government and will have to be rounded up. No doubt it will have immense support from Jews and the majority of the British public.

The future for Muslims is either in prison camps or cannon fodder for USA/EU/Israel nuclear missiles in Muslim countries.

Thats cute, the only muslims to have carried out any attacks are those unwittingly employed by the CIA,ISI and MI5, funded by TPTB.

[deem]

What on earth are you talking about? Seriously.

Please gain some clarity and do some intelligent research. This is the David Icke forum...not KKK unite group in Facebook.

You know!

[rodin]

ES notes - Which they have been trying to take over since the 7th century (get to know your history about islamic Jihads they started the attacks on the west first)


Like?

[mightyoak]

What on earth are you talking about? Seriously.

Please gain some clarity and do some intelligent research. This is the David Icke forum...not KKK unite group in Facebook.

You seem to be in denial Buddy

My research is base upon very common knowledge


HinduKUSH India in 1946-1947, as Muslim League leaders like Mohammed Ali Jinnah and Hussein Shaheed Sohrawardy explicitly called for "Direct Action" (killing, rioting, arson, murder, rape, and large-scale violence) using the word "jihaad" (which literally means "religious war") and overnight their enthusiastic supporters, fervent soldiers of Allah, turned vast Muslim-dominated areas of Bengal and Punjab into killing fields.
The streets were covered with blood and filled with bodies overnight. Teams of killers with guns knifes bombs and swords went house to house, looking for Hindus and Sikhs to kill. In Bengal, the Muslim League Provisional Government headed by Hussein Shaheed Sohrawardy publicly declared that the police would not be asked to protect kafirs from Muslim mobs.
Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing that was being committed by Muslims against Hindus and Sikhs in Muslim-majority areas
Even today, nobody knows how many hundreds or thousands or millions of Hindus and Sikhs may have died in those few weeks of rioting.

source http://21centuryindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/muslim-cleric-issues-fatwa-against.html



Trying the KKK manoeuvre is wearing thin these days Please stick to the topic Without reverting to slanderous accusations Any look with the google search on islamic atrocities btw ?

[zarah]

You seem to be in denial Buddy

My research is base upon very common knowledge


HinduKUSH India in 1946-1947, as Muslim League leaders like Mohammed Ali Jinnah and Hussein Shaheed Sohrawardy explicitly called for "Direct Action" (killing, rioting, arson, murder, rape, and large-scale violence) using the word "jihaad" (which literally means "religious war") and overnight their enthusiastic supporters, fervent soldiers of Allah, turned vast Muslim-dominated areas of Bengal and Punjab into killing fields.
The streets were covered with blood and filled with bodies overnight. Teams of killers with guns knifes bombs and swords went house to house, looking for Hindus and Sikhs to kill. In Bengal, the Muslim League Provisional Government headed by Hussein Shaheed Sohrawardy publicly declared that the police would not be asked to protect kafirs from Muslim mobs.
Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing that was being committed by Muslims against Hindus and Sikhs in Muslim-majority areas
Even today, nobody knows how many hundreds or thousands or millions of Hindus and Sikhs may have died in those few weeks of rioting.

source http://21centuryindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/muslim-cleric-issues-fatwa-against.html



Trying the KKK manoeuvre is wearing thin these days Please stick to the topic Without reverting to slanderous accusations Any look with the google search on islamic atrocities btw ?

Denial of......?

I wasn't referring to the event you mentioned, I was referring to your opinon of Islam.

The point I'm making, very simply I thought, was that organised religion is designed, fundamentally to create divisions between the populous and to aggrevate frustrations to manufacture conflict.

Rather than spending time inanely googling for articles, why don't you do some serious research into how and why intelligence agencies such as the CIA and M16 infiltrate, fund and control elements of factions and regimes in the middle east and the Islamic world. A good place to start would be:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/

and

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

Slanderous accusations? Be very careful what you accuse someone of, eh? That would be classed as slander, surely ....

[rodin]

Offensive Jihad, Futuhat and Islamic Conquests

quotes from islamic websites
(note: some of the url's may have become inoperative; updates/new url's will be given here when found)

mirrored at: http://islamdebatingkit.ezfish.net/jihad.html


From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)

For easier reading link - http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

Islamic hate sites trace back to Zionist controlled America

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/alqmaryland.html?q=alqmaryland.html

Satanist Albert Pike was never a founding father

Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

more likely a Luciferian Jew...

Pike was born in Boston, Massachusetts, son of Ben and Sarah

Albert Pike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims (mass) no way your enemy or mine any more Germans were. Are we going to let Jews dupe us into killing each other again after so many times?

[forestgrump]

Oh, and get off that fence before you fall off and make a complete eejit of yourself. On this forum those who sit in the middle of the road tend to get splattered all over the highway!
Much love, Tyler.
Hell, at least I'm not a shill, I suppose. On the subject of this thread I believe I have made my stance clear. On certain subjects I must remain 'on the fence' for a while. No shame in that. Only idiots jump without looking.

[eternal_spirit]

In case the ramifications of the unfolding scenario are not yet clear to Indians, the bomb-blasts and religious riots are a roaring continuation of the 1400-year Jihad against India – an ongoing war that will culminate in the Islamisation of what’s left of Hindustan. Already the demographic battle is underway and the Mughalistan scenario looks feasible

http://delhiwatch.wordpress.com/2009/04/

The Partition of India provided temporary respite to the Indians and merely postponed the inevitable outcome. By 1971, all across Sindh, Western Punjab, Gandhara (Kandahar) and Eastern Bengal, the native populations of the Indian Religionists (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains) have been wiped out almost entirely by conversion, massacre and mass exodus. Extrapolating this scenario, we find ominous results. This Islamic beach-head, which squeezes India from both sides (Pakistan and Bangladesh), gradually links up with a Fifth Column within India and gains fresh territorial and demographic victories within the last two decades (Kashmir valley, several districts of West Bengal and Assam, Malappuram district in Kerala and the Hyderabad-Deccan region). The Islamic Anschluss creeps steadily and bloodily, until the Western beach-head (Pakistan) is linked up demographically with the Eastern beach-head (Bangladesh) through the formation of a Islam-dominated belt called “Mughalstan”, that will then run through Jammu, Mewat, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal and Assam.

It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the "enemies of Islam" who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to "liberate" not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.




In 2005, the Congress (I) state government in Haryana quietly created a Muslim-majority district called Mewat, by vivisecting Gurgaon district. This move strengthened the clout of Islamic groups in the region. After all, it was in Haryana’s Mewat region in 1992, that Muslim mobs in Nuh town had hacked Hindus, destroyed Hindu temples and brazenly slaughtered cows openly on streets after seizing them from Gau Shalas (cow shelters). Today, the mass conversion of Hindu villagers to Islam, purchasing tens of thousands of Hindu girls for use as sex-slaves, cow-slaughter and social boycott of Hindus is common in Muslim families in Mewat. The average Muslim birth rates of 12-15 children per household in Mewat is increasing even more by cases like the Mohammed Ishaq family where the patriarch has sired 23 kids from his wife, Bismillah.

The 2008 bomb blasts targeting Hindu temples and civilians in Jaipur underscore the rising tension in Rajasthan.

Muslim-majority cities like Old Delhi and Malerkotla (in Indian Punjab) provide not only shelter to Jihadi terrorists, but also geographic continuity to Muslim-dominated districts of western Uttar Pradesh (UP), especially Agra, Aligarh, Azamgarh, Meerut, Bijnor as well as Muzaffarnagar, Kanpur, Varanasi, Bareilly, Saharanpur and Moradabad. Muslim attacks on Hindu religious processions, religious riots and bomb blasts are common place in UP as was seen in Mau, Ayodhya, Lucknow and Kanpur.

The entire Kashmiri Hindu population (known as Kashmiri Pandits) having been driven away, killed or converted between 1990 and 2000 in a silent, mass genocide (http://www.kashmir-information.com/ConvertedKashmir/)

and the Mughalistan scenario looks feasible

SIMI has championed the "liberation of India through Islam" and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and
insult [at the hands of Islamic
conquerors]".

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=67609&page=2 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67609&page=2)

[eternal_spirit]

Like?

The Knights of Malta and other Christians fought off the Islamic invaders. The Crusades where in response to centuries of Islamic invasions into Europe.

You may well be bowing to Alah 5 times a day otherwise.
After numerous attempts dating back to the seventh century, Constantinople, the jewel of Eastern Christendom, finally fell in 1453 to the armies of Sultan Mahomet II. Lest one ascribe the atrocities of the first wave of jihad to the "Arabness" of its perpetrators, the Turks showed they were fully capable of living up to the principles of the Quran and the Sunnah. Paul Fregosi in his book Jihad describes the scene following the final assault on Constantinople:

Several thousand of the survivors had taken refuge in the cathedral: nobles, servants, ordinary citizens, their wives and children, priests and nuns. They locked the huge doors, prayed, and waited. {Caliph} Mahomet {II} had given the troops free quarter. They raped, of course, the nuns being the first victims, and slaughtered. At least four thousand were killed before Mahomet stopped the massacre at noon. He ordered a muezzin {one who issues the call to prayer} to climb into the pulpit of St. Sophia and dedicate the building to Allah. It has remained a mosque ever since. Fifty thousand of the inhabitants, more than half the population, were rounded up and taken away as slaves. For months afterward, slaves were the cheapest commodity in the markets of Turkey. Mahomet asked that the body of the dead emperor be brought to him. Some Turkish soldiers found it in a pile of corpses and recognized Constantine {XI} by the golden eagles embroidered on his boots. The sultan ordered his head to be cut off and placed between the horse's legs under the equestrian bronze statue of the emperor Justinian. The head was later embalmed and sent around the chief cities of the Ottoman empire for the delectation of the citizens. Next, Mahomet ordered the Grand Duke Notaras, who had survived, be brought before him, asked him for the names and addresses of all the leading nobles, officials, and citizens, which Notaras gave him. He had them all arrested and decapitated. He sadistically bought from their owners {i.e., Muslim commanders} high-ranking prisoners who had been enslaved, for the pleasure of having them beheaded in front of him. (Fregosi, Jihad, 256-7.)

This second, Turkish wave of jihad reached its farthest extent at the failed sieges of Vienna in 1529 and 1683, where in the latter instance the Muslim army under Kara Mustapha was thrown back by the Roman Catholics under the command of the Polish King, John Sobieski. In the decades that followed, the Ottomans were driven back down through the Balkans, though they were never ejected from the European continent entirely. Still, even while the imperial jihad faltered, Muslim land- and sea-borne razzias into Christian territory continued, and Christians were being abducted into slavery from as far away as Ireland into the 19th century.

Islam101 (http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/) <<< links source read more.

In 846 the Aghlabids http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28846%29.
Under Pope Paschal I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (817-824), all the spoils of the holy martyrs were transferred into the walls of the city. When Rome was finally sacked in 846, Paschal's preparation did not prevent the robbery of Basilica of Saint Peter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Basilica) itself, nor of another major basilica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica#The_Major_Basilicas), Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, both of which were outside the ancient fortifications.
To prevent a second such incident, in 852 Pope Leo IV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia commissioned the construction of another wall (Leonine Wall) around an area on the opposite side of the Tiber from the Seven hills of Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This enclosure has since become known as the Leonine City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.



Not many of us know that the first Jihadi attack on Britain took place four hundred years before 7/7 in the year 1609! How many of us are made aware in our schools that we British had our first taste of Jihad when the Barbary Muslim pirates occupied Lundy Island (in UK, near the City of Bristol) in 1609. They came up the Atlantic along the shores of Spain and France in search of White slaves. For this venture they occupied Lundy island in Bristol bay and used it as a staging post for attacking the English mainland during the 1500 and 1600s.
In his recent bestseller, White Gold (http://www.faith.org.uk/Publications/Magazines/May06/TheCrusadesSeekingTheTruth.html), Giles Milton tells the story of the million or so Europeans whom Islamic slave traders captured during the period. This really brought the threat to home. Between 1609 and 1616, nearly 466 English trading ships were captured by the Barbary pirates. In July 1625 the West Country was raided by Islamic pirates – about a thousand Englishmen were taken and the Islamic standard was even raised on the island of Lundy in the Bristol Channel! These Barbary corsairs even reached Iceland and transported hundreds of the fair-skinned inhabitants back to North Africa for a life of slavery.
The crusading movement continued intermittently until 13th June 1798, when Napoleon captured Malta. The island had been the home of the Knights Hospitaller since 1530, shortly after their ejection from Rhodes by the Turks. The Knights survived a Turkish siege in 1565 and Malta became the last crusading military outpost. Of course, Great Britain gained control of the island after the Napoleonic period, but, as we’ve seen, the Order of Malta continues to this day. It was this British and French military initiative that finally cut off the threat which Britain and Europe faced from the Barbary Muslim Jihadis in the 17th and 18th centuries.

T is not for nothing that the English word Barbarian is derived from the term “Barbary”. But today, four centuries after the first Jihadi attack on British soil, the British position vis-a-vis its Muslim population is even more vulnerable as against that of the USA. In Britain the Muslim community is much more numerous

[mightyoak]

Denial of......?

I wasn't referring to the event you mentioned, I was referring to your opinon of Islam.

The point I'm making, very simply I thought, was that organised religion is designed, fundamentally to create divisions between the populous and to aggrevate frustrations to manufacture conflict.

Rather than spending time inanely googling for articles, why don't you do some serious research into how and why intelligence agencies such as the CIA and M16 infiltrate, fund and control elements of factions and regimes in the middle east and the Islamic world. A good place to start would be:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/[/url

and

[url]http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

Slanderous accusations? Be very careful what you accuse someone of, eh? That would be classed as slander, surely ....

I am entitled to hold that opinion tho Am i not ? And not be labeled KKK as you did earlier. Islam as always been militant throughout its history It is spread and expanded into kaffir culture by the sword. Read the history books (but take off the rose tinted 1st )
Presently as i posted earlier in this thread That militancy is being manipulated by the zionist nwo God sake what was 9/11 was all about. And the events after Still on-going have all been part off that plan. However what is happening at my level off concern Is my children's safety is being threatened So yes i know its the Agenda NWO however the Islamic/ sharia are on doorstep now and I DONT WANT IT Because i'v read n know to much about it. As it would seem do many others on D I forums

[eternal_spirit]

Islamic hate sites trace back to Zionist controlled America


Don't see how that applys to this what I posted. And the Zionist cry from Muslims is more than often wrong.

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1181015#post1181015)
Offensive Jihad, Futuhat and Islamic Conquests

quotes from islamic websites
(note: some of the url's may have become inoperative; updates/new url's will be given here when found)

mirrored at: http://islamdebatingkit.ezfish.net/jihad.html


From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)

For easier reading link - http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

[teardropexplodes]

I am entitled to hold that opinion tho Am i not ? And not be labeled KKK as you did earlier. Islam as always been militant throughout its history It is spread and expanded into kaffir culture by the sword. Read the history books (but take off the rose tinted 1st )
Presently as i posted earlier in this thread That militancy is being manipulated by the zionist nwo God sake what was 9/11 was all about. And the events after Still on-going have all been part off that plan. However what is happening at my level off concern Is my children's safety is being threatened So yes i know its the Agenda NWO however the Islamic/ sharia are on doorstep now and I DONT WANT IT Because i'v read n know to much about it. As it would seem do many others on D I forums

doubt anyone here wants shariah...
but it is something the ashkeNazis may allow in the future.
right now tho we are almost beneath a global talmudic eugenic & financial order and are as we speak fighting their wars for a greater israel in iraq and afghanistan and soon iran.
they are our immediate concern.
after we win back our freedom and independence from them we can limit the power of the islamic extremists.

[bendoon]

So true, the spreading of hate and prejudice against Jews and Muslims is very much condoned on this Forum - much like it is on a Nazi or BNP Forum! :rolleyes:

When did pointing out something you believe to be true become hate and prejudice ?

Is this what you really want in Britain, a young english lad gets his head jumped on, then some more go through his pockets whilst laid on ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_JTJVvMrA&feature=player_embedded

[teardropexplodes]

When did pointing out something you believe to be true become hate and prejudice ?

Is this what you really want in Britain, a young english lad gets his head jumped on, then some more go through his pockets whilst laid on ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_JTJVvMrA&feature=player_embedded

i've been attacked and robbed in broad daylight three times, each time by white chav scum.
last night i heard a banging. i came out to see a gang of white chav scum running down the road screaming. they'd just smashed off my car's wing mirror for no reason.
the only murder around here in the past few years was by a gang of white chav scum.
doesn't mean ALL white chavs are scum tho.

[zarah]

I am entitled to hold that opinion tho Am i not ? And not be labeled KKK as you did earlier. Islam as always been militant throughout its history It is spread and expanded into kaffir culture by the sword. Read the history books (but take off the rose tinted 1st )
Presently as i posted earlier in this thread That militancy is being manipulated by the zionist nwo God sake what was 9/11 was all about. And the events after Still on-going have all been part off that plan. However what is happening at my level off concern Is my children's safety is being threatened So yes i know its the Agenda NWO however the Islamic/ sharia are on doorstep now and I DONT WANT IT Because i'v read n know to much about it. As it would seem do many others on D I forums

You're entitled to hold any opinion you choose, even if that opinion stems from propaganda that the elite dupe us with. While we're on the subject of free choice, do you suppose you might permit me the same?

What does 'spread by the sword' mean in your reality? Christianity and Islam were spread to other parts of the globe through conquest. Again, context is required to fully understand history. Hundreds of years ago, society was much more violent that it is now, no?

Islam is not militant. Some of its followers were and still are...there's a huge difference. I've already mentioned the CIA funding anti - western propaganda in Afghanistan, but inciting western hatred was part of a wider plan to create, as I said before, a 'them' and 'us' situation, which makes 'us' easier to manipulate, 'them' easier to control. It still continues...have you noticed how, in anti west demos in all parts of the world, the signs are in English and in the same handwriting. Why? For cameras to catch and for us to read. Then we can all denigrate 'them' as uncivilised and militant and agree that any invasion/coup is justified and protects 'us'.

Some anti west discourse is justified if you imagine how it must feel to live in a country which has been decimated and its people indiscriminantly murdered by people who speak English.

You referred to 9/11 and to Islamic militancy being manipulated by the NWO. I really, really hope you're not disturbed enough to believe that Islamic militants were responsible. During the 70's the CIA employed over 100,000 people from the Middle East and trained them to fight the Russians. They called them the Taliban, which means student. Bin Laden was in command of the training in parts of Afghanistan. This continued throughout the 80s and 90s, long after Russia ceased to perceived as a threat. There is evidence to suggest that most if not all of the 'hijakers' worked for the CIA prior to 9/11. Remember not all brown skinned Middle Easterns are Muslim. To be Muslim, one has to believe in Islam as it is recorded in the Qu'ran, not just be born to Muslim parents.

With regard to Sharia Law, do you understand its concepts? It isn't a traditional Islamic construct, rather it is man - made, from 'scholars', who may or may not have alternative agendas. Irrespective of its origins, Shariah courts operate within English and Welsh law, not outside of it. Judaic courts operate in the same way, but then, as it's not part of the elite's agenda to disparage Judaism, you wouldn't know that. Shariah and Judaic courts deal with civil concerns - family problems, neighbour disputes and business disagreements where ALL parties concerned request adjuducation from a religious perspective. What does that have to do with your life as, I assume, a Non-Muslim or Jew? ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution) has been part of the court system for decades, and religious courts are nothing more than a manifest of that. Let's all get a grip, eh?

With all due respect, I don't think you've read anything about Islam other than what tptb have ensured that you've read, and that's a shame because you seem like an intelligent person.

[zarah]

When did pointing out something you believe to be true become hate and prejudice ?

Is this what you really want in Britain, a young english lad gets his head jumped on, then some more go through his pockets whilst laid on ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_JTJVvMrA&feature=player_embedded

Poverty and crime are not a brown-skinned problem or a white skinned problem...its our problem. Don't you get that we're all MEANT to be scared of each other? Our youth are MEANT to attack each other? You should listen to Bob Marley, if you don't already..he knew absolutely what was going on - and look what happened to him.

[pinkfreud]

Simple answer to that : the Qur'an

the same can be said about christianity in the middle ages where thousands were killed in the name of the bible. if islam forces non muslims to convert against their will, do remember that there have been forced mass conversions to christianity as well, leading to the abolishment of local beliefs in all the continents.

we cannot single out islam without accepting that other religions have played a major role in the slaughter of innocents as well. the reason the general populace thinks islam is the worst religion is because we are conveniently made to forget crimes against humanity committed by the others, in an era of media and propaganda bombardment.

even buddhism doesn't have a clean slate any more. look at the situation in sri lanka.

[pinkfreud]

In case the ramifications of the unfolding scenario are not yet clear to Indians, the bomb-blasts and religious riots are a roaring continuation of the 1400-year Jihad against India – an ongoing war that will culminate in the Islamisation of what’s left of Hindustan. Already the demographic battle is underway and the Mughalistan scenario looks feasible


you do know that extremist hindus have bombed numerous mosques all over india don't you?

one of those incidents in '93 sparked off the mumbai riots and is still one of the major reasons why hindu-muslim conflicts exist in the country to this day. the right wing hindus are also involved in the mumbai 'terror attacks' where the bombings were conveniently blamed on pakistan.

hindu extremism is on the rise- and it is this fact that's being covered up by local media and politicians; thousands of muslims and christian minority groups have been butchered as well; digging up history will only fan the flames, not prove your point.



edit: btw, that link from where you pasted the information is a blog that belongs to a hindu nationalist. if you read all of his/her posts, that would be evident.

[tyler]

doubt anyone here wants shariah...
but it is something the ashkeNazis may allow in the future.
right now tho we are almost beneath a global talmudic eugenic & financial order and are as we speak fighting their wars for a greater israel in iraq and afghanistan and soon iran.
they are our immediate concern.
after we win back our freedom and independence from them we can limit the power of the islamic extremists.

Spot on!

[mightyoak]

The first line of this thread reads.....

Demographic time bomb: millions of Muslim immigrants will change Europe beyond recognition, and almost no policymakers are talking about it

This is the issue That concerns me ....
Some off you seem to be in denial off that fact. take a look around And we that are concerned and see this as an event have a right to voice concerns. And there are grave concerns ! Our whole way off life is under threat by these events And no one for whatever reason seems to halt it A time for reflection is needed on the matter. All i can see is bloodshed at the end The NWO are winning this battle against us all. As all we do is try to score meaningless points off one another.........

[anthony65]

The first line of this thread reads.....

Demographic time bomb: millions of Muslim immigrants will change Europe beyond recognition, and almost no policymakers are talking about it

This is the issue That concerns me ....
Some off you seem to be in denial off that fact. take a look around And we that are concerned and see this as an event have a right to voice concerns. And there are grave concerns ! Our whole way off life is under threat by these events And no one for whatever reason seems to halt it A time for reflection is needed on the matter. All i can see is bloodshed at the end The NWO are winning this battle against us all. As all we do is try to score meaningless points off one another.........

The information in the original post is guilty of the usual statistical manipulation that when examined more closely shows the title of the thread to be out of proportion to the reality of the situation:

The original post tells us that Spain's immigrant population has rocketed in recent years. What it doesn't tell us is that the majority of the immigrants were Christians, not muslims: One million British residetn in Spain! Maybe one day they'll all be sent back to blighty. The Spanish have had one of the lowest birth rates in the world for several decades now. What we should be asking is why the Spanish have not been having children?

And now that Spain's economic boom is about to bite the dust. Why should they need future immigration? If there are tensions, then why not stop immgration? Anyone think they couldn't do it if they really wanted to?

According to the Spanish government there were 5,220,000 foreign residents in Spain as of January 2008. Of these, more than 700,000 were Romanian, and well over half a million were Moroccan while the number of Ecuadorians was around half a million as well. Colombian population amounted to around 300,000. There are also a significant number of British (350,000 as of 2008, but more than one million are estimated to live permanently in Spain) and German (133,588) citizens, mainly in Alicante, Málaga provinces, Balearic Islands and Canary Islands. Chinese are estimated to number over 110,000. Immigrants from several sub-Saharan African countries have also settled in Spain as contract workers, although they represent only 4.08% of all the foreign residents in the country.[citation needed]

During the early 2000s, the mean year-on-year demographic growth set a new record with its 2003 peak variation of 2.1%, doubling the previous record reached back in the 1960s when a mean year-on-year growth of 1% was experienced.[3] This trend is far from being reversed at the present moment and, in 2005 alone, the immigrant population of Spain increased by 700,000 people [4].

Allegedly, the growing immigrant population is the main reason for the slight increase in Spain's fertility rate [5]. From 2002 through 2008 the Spanish population grew by 8%, of which 6% were foreign.

[adbasque]

You're talking crap and you know it. Your whole purpose in this place seems to be to create disharmony and invoke fear. I'd lay money on you not being who you say you are...

I could bet my life on it and Picha is not the only one, there are few of them here.

[eternal_spirit]

you do know that extremist hindus have bombed numerous mosques all over india don't you?
Yes, not good it's in retaliation to the Islamisation of India. If it was Muslims doing the killing then many people here would say it's CIA, or Zionist/Jews dressed as arabs pretending to be Muslims.
Muslim extremists killing moderate Muslims even and bombing Mosques (there's that version too) Plus the whole Shia vs Sunni topic is rarely mentioned, schizms in Islam. Although I don't know how this plays out in India.


one of those incidents in '93 sparked off the mumbai riots and is still one of the major reasons why hindu-muslim conflicts exist in the country to this day. the right wing hindus are also involved in the mumbai 'terror attacks' where the bombings were conveniently blamed on pakistan.
Well makes a change from it was the CIA. Because there's always storys saying Zionists done it and other storys saying someone else did it, Islam had no place in India until it invaded. Muslim extremists killing moderate Muslims even.
hindu extremism is on the rise- and it is this fact that's being covered up by local media and politicians; thousands of muslims and christian minority groups have been butchered as well; digging up history will only fan the flames, not prove your point.

It's in response to Islamic extremism and 1400 years of Jihad.
Of course it's not good but that's what happens when Islam forces itself upon a secular country - where the rest of the relgions co exist mostly in peace, throw Islam into the mix and hell breaks loose history proves what can happen time after time including Pakistan/Afghanistan.

There's claims (I agree with) that most of the world's MSM media cover a small fraction of islamic Jihad and violence against non Muslims around the world.
It's mostly found on the Internet.

There was more MSM coverage of the IRA bombers (Irish) who only ever attacked England outside of Ireland (one country) and don't think they ever killed no one in England.

I was asked for evidence by someone (that's why I posted so much) plus some Muslim, was spreading Islamic lies as usual. It's a bit off topic but is related to how Islam does things.

edit: btw, that link from where you pasted the information is a blog that belongs to a hindu nationalist. if you read all of his/her posts, that would be evident.Biased? maybe, on the other hand
nothing wrong with Nationalism when your country is under Jihad. It's self preservation. I'm more concerned about pro Islamic bloggers who spread disinfo (Koran commands them to lie to kaffirs) and try cover up the real history of how Islam invaded India. My family where there they seen some examples of it, reliable eye witness.

[adbasque]

The information in the original post is guilty of the usual statistical manipulation that when examined more closely shows the title of the thread to be out of proportion to the reality of the situation:

The original post tells us that Spain's immigrant population has rocketed in recent years. What it doesn't tell us is that the majority of the immigrants were Christians, not muslims: One million British residetn in Spain! Maybe one day they'll all be sent back to blighty. The Spanish have had one of the lowest birth rates in the world for several decades now. What we should be asking is why the Spanish have not been having children?

And now that Spain's economic boom is about to bite the dust. Why should they need future immigration? If there are tensions, then why not stop immgration? Anyone think they couldn't do it if they really wanted to?

According to the Spanish government there were 5,220,000 foreign residents in Spain as of January 2008. Of these, more than 700,000 were Romanian, and well over half a million were Moroccan while the number of Ecuadorians was around half a million as well. Colombian population amounted to around 300,000. There are also a significant number of British (350,000 as of 2008, but more than one million are estimated to live permanently in Spain) and German (133,588) citizens, mainly in Alicante, Málaga provinces, Balearic Islands and Canary Islands. Chinese are estimated to number over 110,000. Immigrants from several sub-Saharan African countries have also settled in Spain as contract workers, although they represent only 4.08% of all the foreign residents in the country.[citation needed]

During the early 2000s, the mean year-on-year demographic growth set a new record with its 2003 peak variation of 2.1%, doubling the previous record reached back in the 1960s when a mean year-on-year growth of 1% was experienced.[3] This trend is far from being reversed at the present moment and, in 2005 alone, the immigrant population of Spain increased by 700,000 people [4].

Allegedly, the growing immigrant population is the main reason for the slight increase in Spain's fertility rate [5]. From 2002 through 2008 the Spanish population grew by 8%, of which 6% were foreign.

I bet Picha is having a good laugh right now :D.

[tyler]

The fact is, Anthony, islam IS spreading rapidly in Europe. They simply have up to tens times more children than we do. Any fool can look into our school playgrounds and see our future!

London is now an Islamic city. Any Londoner can tell you that without having to look at massaged statistics.
Do we want Europe to become an Islamic continent. I certainly don't. I wish to preserve all that is great and wonderful about European culture and history and our civilisation. We still have many amazing feats to accomplish in our future. We must not allow backward hordes from the far and middle east to stunt our evolution. We certainly must help them to grow and develop their own civilizations and we must keep out of their lands and leave them in peace.

Islam will evolve too. We in the west have learned much from Islam but it is our Christian based way of life that has brought us to this peak. Why should we not continue forging our own destiny without the scourge of Zionism or fundamentalist Islam?
The time has come to put a halt to muslim immigration and to consider sending back a few million to their homelands.
At the same time we must expose the evil Zionists who are forcing these issues upon us in the first place in their quest to de-stabalize us and rule us all from the gangster state of "Israel".

[picha]

You're entitled to hold any opinion you choose, even if that opinion stems from propaganda that the elite dupe us with. While we're on the subject of free choice, do you suppose you might permit me the same?

What does 'spread by the sword' mean in your reality? Christianity and Islam were spread to other parts of the globe through conquest. Again, context is required to fully understand history. Hundreds of years ago, society was much more violent that it is now, no?

Islam is not militant. Some of its followers were and still are...there's a huge difference. I've already mentioned the CIA funding anti - western propaganda in Afghanistan, but inciting western hatred was part of a wider plan to create, as I said before, a 'them' and 'us' situation, which makes 'us' easier to manipulate, 'them' easier to control. It still continues...have you noticed how, in anti west demos in all parts of the world, the signs are in English and in the same handwriting. Why? For cameras to catch and for us to read. Then we can all denigrate 'them' as uncivilised and militant and agree that any invasion/coup is justified and protects 'us'.

Some anti west discourse is justified if you imagine how it must feel to live in a country which has been decimated and its people indiscriminantly murdered by people who speak English.

You referred to 9/11 and to Islamic militancy being manipulated by the NWO. I really, really hope you're not disturbed enough to believe that Islamic militants were responsible. During the 70's the CIA employed over 100,000 people from the Middle East and trained them to fight the Russians. They called them the Taliban, which means student. Bin Laden was in command of the training in parts of Afghanistan. This continued throughout the 80s and 90s, long after Russia ceased to perceived as a threat. There is evidence to suggest that most if not all of the 'hijakers' worked for the CIA prior to 9/11. Remember not all brown skinned Middle Easterns are Muslim. To be Muslim, one has to believe in Islam as it is recorded in the Qu'ran, not just be born to Muslim parents.

With regard to Sharia Law, do you understand its concepts? It isn't a traditional Islamic construct, rather it is man - made, from 'scholars', who may or may not have alternative agendas. Irrespective of its origins, Shariah courts operate within English and Welsh law, not outside of it. Judaic courts operate in the same way, but then, as it's not part of the elite's agenda to disparage Judaism, you wouldn't know that. Shariah and Judaic courts deal with civil concerns - family problems, neighbour disputes and business disagreements where ALL parties concerned request adjuducation from a religious perspective. What does that have to do with your life as, I assume, a Non-Muslim or Jew? ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution) has been part of the court system for decades, and religious courts are nothing more than a manifest of that. Let's all get a grip, eh?

With all due respect, I don't think you've read anything about Islam other than what tptb have ensured that you've read, and that's a shame because you seem like an intelligent person.

To try and make out that islam is not militant is quite a difficult thing to do when you have someone like mohammed as the example for all muslims to live up to.

[teardropexplodes]

No one is going to be sent back.
Repatriation is the most dangerous power to give to your government.
Even if you genuinely think it would be a positive move for the nation.
Anyone who believes in freedom should oppose it as a point of principle!
It's like ID cards... no matter how many benefits you can list I will always oppose them as a point of principle.
I'm with Brian Gerrish on this. I was listening to him the other night talking about the way our controllers are destroying family cohesion. He said he is working with the muslim community because they are the biggest threat to Common Purpose's agenda due to their strong family cohesion.
That's the answer... work together to defeat the wreckers of society.
Prove to them that they were wrong... that we can bury our differences and use our reason to override our basic animal tribal urges... that we are not the predictable snowblind cattle they think we are... that we won't always fight amongst ourselves while they rape us blind.
I'm not naive... I know there are islamic ghettos where they really do hate the whites. But there are ways of stopping this without repatriation. TPTB know this. But a harmonious and united nation is the last thing they want.
This is the main reason for my suspicions that BNP are controlled-opposition--all they do is stir the shit and turn a blind eye to the real threat.

[islamvslizards]

To try and mkae out that islam is not militant is quite a difficult thing to do when you have someone like mohammed as the example for all muslims to live up to.

mohammed who never fought battles for material gain, only fought battles in self defence, abolished slavery, created treaties with warring factions, established a welfare system for the poor, broke taboos such as forbidding burying newborn daughters alive, removing racism and social class prejudice from his followers in "the day of brotherhood", taught his followers to lead sober lives avoiding drinking intoxicants, gambling, usuary, or anything else that damaged their bodies or morals, made looking after their wives and children compulsary and protecting the family unit a mark of manhood, made it obligatory to look after orphans, widows and other dependents, made all muslims support those in need as a matter of law, instructed his followers to gain as much knowlegde on as many different subjects as possible, and who spent his life teaching people to fight opression and never become soft?

wow, what a terrible role model. muslims should follow you instead.

[anthony65]

The fact is, Anthony, islam IS spreading rapidly in Europe. They simply have up to tens times more children than we do. Any fool can look into our school playgrounds and see our future!

London is now an Islamic city. Any Londoner can tell you that without having to look at massaged statistics.
Do we want Europe to become an Islamic continent. I certainly don't. I wish to preserve all that is great and wonderful about European culture and history and our civilisation. We still have many amazing feats to accomplish in our future. We must not allow backward hordes from the far and middle east to stunt our evolution. We certainly must help them to grow and develop their own civilizations and we must keep out of their lands and leave them in peace.

Islam will evolve too. We in the west have learned much from Islam but it is our Christian based way of life that has brought us to this peak. Why should we not continue forging our own destiny without the scourge of Zionism or fundamentalist Islam?
The time has come to put a halt to muslim immigration and to consider sending back a few million to their homelands.
At the same time we must expose the evil Zionists who are forcing these issues upon us in the first place in their quest to de-stabalize us and rule us all from the gangster state of "Israel".

Yes, Tyler, that is a fact. Islam is spreading rapidly through Europe.

That is the kind of fact that I can live with.

How fast and with what consequences we could discuss further.

Are all muslims likely to condone a radical form of Islam? Or would some of them actually stand up to prevent it?

London is now an Islamic city? :confused:

No it isn't. That is simply wrong.

Ethnic groups in London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This thread is about a muslim demographic timebomb.

Some of the statements being made here are correct.

But many are not.

[mightyoak]

Thing is though Tyler It is not only London ITS most cities Some are far worst than others Granted but most are changing at a rapid rate.
This as been a forced immigration without any proper control or safety network for the indigenous And yes i know before some moron says We the British are not a pure racially Let me answer that by stating It as took thousands off years for assimilation and diversity off cultural involvement and acceptance off each other. NOT the 60 odd yrs As is this case. This is forced by the jew off zion To perpitrate conflict.

[islamvslizards]

heres a clue, you several weak minded sheep on this thread. take a look at who made the video in the OP for an idea how fair and impartial they will be.

its so obvious that this great forum has been infiltrated by hatred mongers

[picha]

mohammed who never fought battles for material gain, only fought battles in self defence, abolished slavery, created treaties with warring factions, established a welfare system for the poor, broke taboos such as forbidding burying newborn daughters alive, removing racism and social class prejudice from his followers in "the day of brotherhood", taught his followers to lead sober lives avoiding drinking intoxicants, gambling, usuary, or anything else that damaged their bodies or morals, made looking after their wives and children compulsary and protecting the family unit a mark of manhood, made it obligatory to look after orphans, widows and other dependents, made all muslims support those in need as a matter of law, instructed his followers to gain as much knowlegde on as many different subjects as possible, and who spent his life teaching people to fight opression and never become soft?

wow, what a terrible role model. muslims should follow you instead.

Well its a pity mohammeds kindness and strong sense of right and wrong didnt extend to the 600 banu qurazya jews he beheaded.

[adbasque]

You're entitled to hold any opinion you choose, even if that opinion stems from propaganda that the elite dupe us with. While we're on the subject of free choice, do you suppose you might permit me the same?
Indeed


What does 'spread by the sword' mean in your reality? Christianity and Islam were spread to other parts of the globe through conquest. Again, context is required to fully understand history. Hundreds of years ago, society was much more violent that it is now, no?

Actually is we look closely, Christianity lead crusades and slaughtered, committed real genocides especially in the south American continent, as we are not bigots I will not accuse Christianity, I accuse the people who used Christianity as a pretext.

Look at islam for instance, let's take some parts of the world, and see these crusades, shall we?
The only crusades were by the Ottoman empire against another tyranic empire the Byzantine.
Where are the Islamic crusades?
I want people here like Picha and ES to show me these so called crusades?
India? most Muslims in India are Indians, so where are the so called Arabs invading India, what happened to them?

North Africa? 98% of North Africans are Berberes, where are the Arabs they invaded North Africa? the other 2% are Europeans, Turkish, and Arabs.

Turkey? They are indegenious Turkish, where the Arabs in Turkey?
We have proved them historically that Islam did not invade, the only wars were when they were attacked.

And it carried on until 1918.



Islam is not militant. Some of its followers were and still are...there's a huge difference. I've already mentioned the CIA funding anti - western propaganda in Afghanistan, but inciting western hatred was part of a wider plan to create, as I said before, a 'them' and 'us' situation, which makes 'us' easier to manipulate, 'them' easier to control.

Of course they see that, but it easier to blame the designated enemy.
Like they hated the designated enemy "the Communist" at the time even though the communist people were held prisoners, couldn't get out of their countries.
How many people at the time could befriend a communist? Or is all forgotten now, they have given us another eneymy to focus on?
And few thousands shills to fill up forums with threads of disinfo and try to divide us.



It still continues...have you noticed how, in anti west demos in all parts of the world, the signs are in English and in the same handwriting. Why? For cameras to catch and for us to read. Then we can all denigrate 'them' as uncivilised and militant and agree that any invasion/coup is justified and protects 'us'.

We have pointed out this so many times, and they know, but the shills keep creatin new threads and redirect them to the same old crap.


Some anti west discourse is justified if you imagine how it must feel to live in a country which has been decimated and its people indiscriminantly murdered by people who speak English.
I hope they'll never have to go through that, I don't wish to anyone.
Unless they get up on their backside maybe take a trip and see for themselves, they'll never learn the truth, well not all, some are very happy, because it fits well with their "own" views, they love to hate.


You referred to 9/11 and to Islamic militancy being manipulated by the NWO. I really, really hope you're not disturbed enough to believe that Islamic militants were responsible. During the 70's the CIA employed over 100,000 people from the Middle East and trained them to fight the Russians. They called them the Taliban, which means student. Bin Laden was in command of the training in parts of Afghanistan.

The Bin Ladens, The Sauds, The Bushes were for generations doing business together, they are all from the same group.
Even millions of Muslims were fooled to believe that Bin Laden was out for justice, even though most of them were horrified by the attacks on 9/11, especially the ones who lost their loved ones during the attack.

The Talibans were a creation of the CIA via Bin Laden and Azawahiri, Zawahiri, does anyone know his real story and why he became so radicalised? I bet they haven't got a clue where he is from, how did he turn up the way he is.

Does anyone here knows that this man was tortured for years? by the egyptian authorities? and what a psychological impact it had on his personality?
Do they know what was his first aim when he was a student? what he really wanted to do?

I suggest people learn a little bit about these people, and how they became the way they are today.


This continued throughout the 80s and 90s, long after Russia ceased to perceived as a threat. There is evidence to suggest that most if not all of the 'hijakers' worked for the CIA prior to 9/11. Remember not all brown skinned Middle Easterns are Muslim. To be Muslim, one has to believe in Islam as it is recorded in the Qu'ran, not just be born to Muslim parents.

They know that too, A Muslim is not just a brown skinned person, he could be from any background, creed, origin.


With regard to Sharia Law, do you understand its concepts? It isn't a traditional Islamic construct, rather it is man - made, from 'scholars', who may or may not have alternative agendas. Irrespective of its origins, Shariah courts operate within English and Welsh law, not outside of it. Judaic courts operate in the same way, but then, as it's not part of the elite's agenda to disparage Judaism, you wouldn't know that.

The Judaic law operated in this country for over 100 years, and if the Sharia Law was not deliberately brought up by the Media into their attention, they would never notice the difference, I even went further and showed that a lot of white non-muslim people go and use Islamic sharia law to resolve their disputes.
If it's really an unfair system why on earth would they do that?
They certainly live here and compared the two laws, why choose the Islamic law?



Shariah and Judaic courts deal with civil concerns - family problems, neighbour disputes and business disagreements where ALL parties concerned request adjuducation from a religious perspective. What does that have to do with your life as, I assume, a Non-Muslim or Jew? ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution) has been part of the court system for decades, and religious courts are nothing more than a manifest of that. Let's all get a grip, eh?

Yes, it's an alternative, don't people here want to have alternatives?
I thought there's a freedom of choice, but no, because we have the fearmongerers to make sure that fear is kept high.



With all due respect, I don't think you've read anything about Islam other than what tptb have ensured that you've read, and that's a shame because you seem like an intelligent person. [/quote]

Yes, I doubt very much that they have any understanding of Islam, as I said before they are deliberatelty kept away from all religions in general, and Islam in particular, the other religions now, are not in the tptb's agenda, the tptb's big fear is the spread of Islam, they saw that Islam was spreading peacefully enters the hearts of millions around the world, they had to do something about it, demonise it, create division, oppress them in their own countries, open the gates (knowing it's human nature to seek a better life) create tension, create more division.

It's easier to do on people whom are already preconditioned to fear Islam and Muslims, hide true historical events, project Islam as the enemy, pay some shills and professional bloggers to flood the web with lies and fabricated stories, anyone who tries to show the true Islam call them apologists, label them, demonise them if possible.

Take out of a context some verses of the Qu'ran, knowing that most people have no knowledge of what is Islam, or the Qu'ran, knowing that the majority of people wouldn't know any different.

Present some angry "Muslims" or so called Muslims, burning flags and shouting death to America and Britain.
Most of the time, they are not even Muslims, they are agents paid to do the job.

Years ago, when Muslims were burning Isareli Flags, they were called savages, backward people.

Finally, if Qu'ran and Islam are about killing, suicide bombing, terror and so on, can any intelligent person here think, what it would be to have 1.8 billion people all terrorists and suicide bombers?

Why is it only few that did it, when the Japanese kamikazes were doing it in World war two, did they paint every Japanese as a Kamikaze?

If the teachings of Islam really and truly allows suicide bombing, how come I am here talking to you, I should be out there loaded with explosives and kill you all, won't I?

Did they know that in Islam, that one of the biggest sins is "Intihar" Suicide??
look it up and you will see how fools you really are.

The only time, it's accepted is when you are attacked and have no other way to fight back, and if it's the only an absolute only way to fight back it is permitted not encouraged or even suggested, if you can't take it anymore and if that suicide will turn things around to free others, then you can do it, and nobody can force you to do it.

Didn't people realise, that those preaching always stay behind, they carry on living?
Always young and usually immature kids who do it, some women in Paletine did it, because she has nothing left to live for, husband, children, family wiped out, so she sees no reason in carry on living.

It's easy for most of you here, sitting in front of your pc's having a pizza and a can of beer while trashing others, I put you in their shoes for one day and will see your reation.

I am sick of bigots and shills, yes on this forum they are allowed to operate freely and that is a shame, because these people are not bringing any good or any truth to the rest of the community and they are part of the problem, divide the few people who are "awake".

Make sure you keep that lack of trust, use fear.

Sick of bigots and shills

[islamvslizards]

Well its a pity mohammeds kindness and strong sense of right and wrong didnt extend to the 600 banu qurazya jews he beheaded.

the 600 jews he beheaded on the request of the jewish rabbis themselves who ordered it according to talmudic law for the banu qarayzas betrayal? or the thousands of other jewish people and tribes in the immediate area who he left alone in peace, and who did nothing to stop him, such was the disgust the jews felt for banu qurayzas actions?

come on picha. try harder. ive been off for a week im itching to tear someone apart, i come back and whats all this crap in the threads you and others are spreading? time to even the playing field i think.

[picha]

the 600 jews he beheaded on the request of the jewish rabbis themselves who ordered it according to talmudic law for the banu qarayzas betrayal? or the thousands of other jewish people and tribes in the immediate area who he left alone in peace, and who did nothing to stop him, such was the disgust the jews felt for banu qurayzas actions?

come on picha. try harder. ive been off for a week im itching to tear someone apart, i come back and whats all this crap in the threads you and others are spreading? time to even the playing field i think.

You have already given me the same explanation for why it was done and it may or may not be true but that is irrelevant. The point is, what kind of a consciousness would be capable of carrying out such an act? The only circumstances I could have understood him doing something like that was if he would have been killed himself for not doing it. If he was capable of carrying out such a barbaric act then he was capable of doing anything.

[adbasque]

The ptb allowed them to come here because they know full well we wont get along.
Because they preconditioned you to not get along, and prepared you to not trust them, fear them, (not you personally) because I know you're part of the problem.

I also know what is your role here, you try to come across as just a concerned citizen but you can't hide your real agenda.

You know that the tptb lead them here, you know that the tptb is manipulating you and them, to create the division of you and them, but you keep posting your crap about them, I haven't seen you attacking the true culprite here have I?

It's like putting two prisoners like the romans used to do, put two people to fight to death for the pleasure of the emperor and the elite at the time.

they are placed in the middle of the arena and kill one another, at least those people didn't have a choice, either they kill one another or they both will be put to death, what is your excuse dear concerned Picha?

You are doing everything in your power to prevent people to unite and get together, you keep pushing your disinfo propaganda and stir shit just like your masters have planned it and yet you think you're a patriot and peace loving?

Give me a break go and fool some here, you obviously have, judging from what I read, the bigots come out of the woodwork like ants.

All they need is one like you to start a vile attack and they all follow, some are complete ignorant, others have similar agenda as you.

You people are in no way trying to fight the enemy, the tptb or the Illuminati because you are part of it.

[breezinreezin]

So true, the spreading of hate and prejudice against Jews and Muslims is very much condoned on this Forum - much like it is on a Nazi or BNP Forum! :rolleyes:

Hate and prejudice does not spread, if it is evident in a post, that's where it stays. Such hyperbole maybe marks you out as having some sort agenda.

Most of the those here who truely debate Jewish or Islamic influence, do so out of an interest to understand that influence and it's implications. In saying that hate and prejudice somehow spread, you're implying that such issues should not be discussed. In my book, with evermore constrictive laws, either being implemented or being threatened to be implemented, that's exactly the situation that is fast being engineered in the world today. Consequently I see someone like you, if you oppose such discussion, as far more of a threat to liberty, than a shallow minded bigot.

As for your assertion that hate is being condoned here, I think if I was a moderator I'd want to take issue with you there.

[adbasque]

Well its a pity mohammeds kindness and strong sense of right and wrong didnt extend to the 600 banu qurazya jews he beheaded.

Keep repeating are we? running out of crap?
I thought this was REFUTED Picha!! :D try a bit harder will you?

Are you really insane?
Tell me why did Mohamed carry out that act and not other Jews at the time?
What difference would it make to him? If he is such a monster, why kill those 600 and not the rest?

He was betrayed, Muslims and Others were massacred as a result, why are not speaking about those victims?

Or it's ok because they were Muslims and other faiths at the time?

Just to show a number 600 wow, let's dramatise, and the execution was ordered by their own talmudic law, nothing whatsoever to do with Islamic laws.

Can't you really find something more subtantial to accuse us with?

Oh dear oh dear :D Picha

[islamvslizards]

You have already given me the same explanation for why it was done and it may or may not be true but that is irrelevant. The point is, what kind of a consciousness would be capable of carrying out such an act? The only circumstances I could have understood him doing something like that was if he would have been killed himself for not doing it. If he was capable of carrying out such a barbaric act then he was capable of doing anything.

....and i counter that with - they knew the talmud, they knew the punishment for betrayal, they made a treaty in peace without force with the muslims, they broke the terms of their treaty, they broke the law of the talmud, the rabbis were an authority over them.

what you are basically saying is that anyone who does anything against muslims, no matter how despicable, is fine and muslims have no right to retaliate, or even implement law that the jews ASK the muslims to do on their behalf with their blessings.

if you find it barbaric, tell me, would you not find the massacre of the muslims at the hands of the quraysh/ banu quarayza as equally barbaric? or would that be acceptable since muslims were the ones being killed?

they knew the law, and they knew the punishments. and they took the risk anyway. simple as that.

[teardropexplodes]

Guys... does it really matter what some guy a thousand years ago may or may not've done?
This is Europe in the 21st century and we're all facing some pretty serious threats.
Cast off thine programming, all of you.
Bury um hatchet. Smoke um heap big peace pipe. Um paleface speak with fork tongue. Takes all of our land and rapes and murders our young. We beat him together. Together we are unconquerable.

[adbasque]

Hate and prejudice does not spread, if it is evident in a post, that's where it stays. Such hyperbole maybe marks you out as having some sort agenda.
It does spread nothing spreads more rapidily than hate, sorry


Most of the those here who truely debate Jewish or Islamic influence, do so out of an interest to understand that influence and it's implications. In saying that hate and prejudice somehow spread, you're implying that such issues should not be discussed.
It's not what we are implying, there's a difference between discussing and accusing, making some vile lies and projecting false information, have you seen, the Original poster's other threads?

You can see where he is going.
So, this is not a discussion out of interests I am sorry, it's a deliberate attempt to spread false information, despite the fact we have proved to the OP, that some of his comments and accusations were wrong, on many other of his hate threads.


In my book, with evermore constrictive laws, either being implemented or being threatened to be implemented, that's exactly the situation that is fast being engineered in the world today. Consequently I see someone like you, if you oppose such discussion, as far more of a threat to liberty, than a shallow minded bigot.

I didn't particularly see some of the bigots complaining about all the new laws that were introduced since 1997, taking our liberties away, are the Muslims and the Jews living in this country exempt from these laws?
Do they ever mention them? No, we live in democracy, do we?:rolleyes:


As for your assertion that hate is being condoned here, I think if I was a moderator I'd want to take issue with you there.
Oh really, here we go let's silence anyone who points out the truth and let the lies fly, it appears to me, that some people simply cannot handle the truth, it hurts them.

I thought bigotry wasn't allowed? Unless it's pointing at Jews and especially Muslims.

[adbasque]

Guys... does it really matter what some guy a thousand years ago may or may not've done?
This is Europe in the 21st century and we're all facing some pretty serious threats.
Cast off thine programming, all of you.
Bury um hatchet. Smoke um heap big peace pipe. Um paleface speak with fork tongue. Takes all of our land and rapes and murders our young. We beat him together. Together we are unconquerable.

Well said man, I wish most people take the blindfold and see the real threats and stop wasting pages and pages of on this forum, in discussing trivia stuff.

[adbasque]

No one is going to be sent back.
Repatriation is the most dangerous power to give to your government.
Even if you genuinely think it would be a positive move for the nation.
Anyone who believes in freedom should oppose it as a point of principle!
It's like ID cards... no matter how many benefits you can list I will always oppose them as a point of principle.
I'm with Brian Gerrish on this. I was listening to him the other night talking about the way our controllers are destroying family cohesion. He said he is working with the muslim community because they are the biggest threat to Common Purpose's agenda due to their strong family cohesion.
That's the answer... work together to defeat the wreckers of society.
Prove to them that they were wrong... that we can bury our differences and use our reason to override our basic animal tribal urges... that we are not the predictable snowblind cattle they think we are... that we won't always fight amongst ourselves while they rape us blind.
I'm not naive... I know there are islamic ghettos where they really do hate the whites. But there are ways of stopping this without repatriation. TPTB know this. But a harmonious and united nation is the last thing they want.
This is the main reason for my suspicions that BNP are controlled-opposition--all they do is stir the shit and turn a blind eye to the real threat.

Well said, even those muslims who appear to hate white, what about the white muslims? lol
And even if that's true, are they not allowed to be brainwashed, are they not humans?
Some muslims hate because that's what they see around them, being hated and they don't comprehend why are they hated, called all sorts of names, it's a natural reaction.

I am not condoning their hatred, but I can understand it, similarly most white British who hate others, don't know why they hate them, except what they were told to do since birth.

The conditioning goes both ways.
It's time to break this vicious sycle and unite to fight the real common enemy, who wants to destroy all of us.

[breezinreezin]

It does spread nothing spreads more rapidily than hate, sorry


It's not what we are implying, there's a difference between discussing and accusing, making some vile lies and projecting false information, have you seen, the Original poster's other threads?

You can see where he is going.
So, this is not a discussion out of interests I am sorry, it's a deliberate attempt to spread false information, despite the fact we have proved to the OP, that some of his comments and accusations were wrong, on many other of his hate threads.



I didn't particularly see some of the bigots complaining about all the new laws that were introduced since 1997, taking our liberties away, are the Muslims and the Jews living in this country exempt from these laws?
Do they ever mention them? No, we live in democracy, do we?:rolleyes:


Oh really, here we go let's silence anyone who points out the truth and let the lies fly, it appears to me, that some people simply cannot handle the truth, it hurts them.

I thought bigotry wasn't allowed? Unless it's pointing at Jews and especially Muslims.

Are you aitch?

[adbasque]

Are you aitch?

What is a better way to avoid some questions?:D

[decim]

Lightgiver.

Are you aitch?

[adbasque]

So true, the spreading of hate and prejudice against Jews and Muslims is very much condoned on this Forum - much like it is on a Nazi or BNP Forum! :rolleyes:

I agree, not only against Muslim or Jews, but any form of prejudice.

Well we know that this forum is flooded by shills of all sorts, mainly working to discredit and bury any truth that may arise on this forum, especially in the last few months.

People here are not debating rationally, but accusing, distracting, diverting, derailing, threads and topics, deliberately of course.

I know that we should support the freedom of speech, but there's a clear difference between speaking freelyand spouting lies and using fear to keep us divided.

Their aim is to keep all of us fragmented and kept apart and in a constant hostile environment.

Looking at each other as enemies instead of joining forces.

[breezinreezin]

What is a better way to avoid some questions?:D

Not at all. You see aitch may well consider himself capable enough to respond to posts directed and quoting him, himself. Under such circumstances I will probably then want to respond in kind (are you catching my drift yet?). In which case I'll have not only aitch to respond to, but also this arrogant inidividual called adbasque, who deems himself better qualified to answer, than the person the post was directed at. Such rudeness immediately marks you out as someone to mostly ignore.

[adbasque]

Not at all. You see aitch may well consider himself capable enough to respond to posts directed and quoting him, himself. Under such circumstances I will probably then want to respond in kind (are you catching my drift yet?). In which case I'll have not only aitch to respond to, but also this arrogant inidividual called adbasque, who deems himself better qualified to answer, than the person the post was directed at. Such rudeness immediately marks you out as someone to mostly ignore.

There was no rudeness it's a forum man, I am not at all arrogant, and I am sure aitch can answer it and he'll probably will, and I am not better qualified.

Now, if you're asking me to ignore you, that's no problem at all, but I couldn't have known that, now I know, and so it will be.

This is a forum and anyone is entitled to make his/her comments and it's a free forum, but now that you requested it, I see no problems in ignoring you.

Take care.

[eternal_spirit]

SUPREMACISM is the belief that Islam is superior to other religions, cultures, and governmental systems, and the belief that Islam's superiority entitles Muslims to dominate, control, and rule non-Muslims.

Islam is a supremacist religion. The Hadith (http://www.livingislam.org/n/sth_e.html) and Qur'an (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/10/quran-book-of-allah_21.html) command every Muslim to strive until Islam dominates all other religions. The Qur'an says very clearly that the only legitimate form of government is Allah's. According to mainstream, well-established Islamic teachings, the goal of Islam is to make the whole world submit to the law of Allah (Shari'a (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/10/sharia-law.html)).

If Islam is an inherently supremacist religion, then the term "Islamic supremacism" is redundant. Simply "Islam" will do. But I often use the term "Islamic supremacism" rather than simply "Islam" because first of all, most people don't know Islam is inherently supremacist. So if I say something critical of "Islam," some people will immediately stop listening because I am clearly a bigoted Islamophobe (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/11/islamophobia.html), or they think I must be ignorant if I'm implying "all Muslims are terrorists."

The use of the term "Islamic supremacists" when talking about Muslims waging jihad against non-Muslims, prevents this reaction and allows the uninitiated to listen.

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/islamic-supremacism.html

[mightyoak]

Another thread turned into farce by the muslim internet jehadis

[islamvslizards]

Another thread turned into farce by the muslim internet jehadis

mmhmm

[mightyoak]

mohammed who never fought battles for material gain, only fought battles in self defence, abolished slavery, created treaties with warring factions, established a welfare system for the poor, broke taboos such as forbidding burying newborn daughters alive, removing racism and social class prejudice from his followers in "the day of brotherhood", taught his followers to lead sober lives avoiding drinking intoxicants, gambling, usuary, or anything else that damaged their bodies or morals, made looking after their wives and children compulsary and protecting the family unit a mark of manhood, made it obligatory to look after orphans, widows and other dependents, made all muslims support those in need as a matter of law, instructed his followers to gain as much knowlegde on as many different subjects as possible, and who spent his life teaching people to fight opression and never become soft?

wow, what a terrible role model. muslims should follow you instead.

Farcical nonsense and such lies

[picha]

mohammed who never fought battles for material gain, only fought battles in self defence, abolished slavery, created treaties with warring factions, established a welfare system for the poor, broke taboos such as forbidding burying newborn daughters alive, removing racism and social class prejudice from his followers in "the day of brotherhood", taught his followers to lead sober lives avoiding drinking intoxicants, gambling, usuary, or anything else that damaged their bodies or morals, made looking after their wives and children compulsary and protecting the family unit a mark of manhood, made it obligatory to look after orphans, widows and other dependents, made all muslims support those in need as a matter of law, instructed his followers to gain as much knowlegde on as many different subjects as possible, and who spent his life teaching people to fight opression and never become soft?

wow, what a terrible role model. muslims should follow you instead.

He didnt teach people to stop shagging 9 year olds though did he.

[anthony65]

He didnt teach people to stop shagging 9 year olds though did he.

Are you confusing the Koran with the Talmud?

Don't they go into great detail about the abuse of young children being okay?

[picha]

Are you confusing the Koran with the Talmud?

Don't they go into great detail about the abuse of young children being okay?

No im talking about mohammed having sex with his 9 year old wife Aisha when he was 53.

[islamvslizards]

Farcical nonsense and such lies

all of which is proven

[islamvslizards]

He didnt teach people to stop shagging 9 year olds though did he.

his wife aisha was between 16 and 18 when he married her, and consumated the marriage a year later. the hadiths which claim she was a child have been torn to pieces by both shia and sunni scholars throughout history, yet maintain on anti muslim sites with an agenda.

so yes, he did.

[anthony65]

No im talking about mohammed having sex with his 9 year old wife Aisha when he was 53.

Islamvslizards has replied to this question.

But you would condemn the references in the talmud that state that sex with children is okay?

Does someone have any links to this?

We want to be fair don't we. Maybe the talmud child sex stories are just another religious hoax...

[picha]

his wife aisha was between 16 and 18 when he married her, and consumated the marriage a year later. the hadiths which claim she was a child have been torn to pieces by both shia and sunni scholars throughout history, yet maintain on anti muslim sites with an agenda.

so yes, he did.

Aisha was initially betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut'im, a Muslim whose father, though pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. When Khawla bint Hakim suggested that Muhammad marry Aisha after the death of Muhammad's first wife (Khadijah bint Khuwaylid), the previous agreement regarding marriage of Aisha with ibn Mut'im was put aside by common consent.[1] British historian William Montgomery Watt suggests that Muhammad hoped to strengthen his ties with Abu Bakr;[1] the strengthening of ties commonly served as a basis for marriage in Arabian culture.[2]

According to the traditional sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad.[1][3][4] American historian Denise Spellberg states that "these specific references to the bride's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status and, implicitly, her virginity."[3] This issue of her virginity was of great importance to early historians who supported the Abbasid Caliphate. These historians considered that as Muhammad's only virgin wife, Aisha was divinely intended for him, and therefore the most credible regarding the debate over the succession to Muhammad.[3]

Aisha stayed in her parents' home for several years until she joined Muhammad and the marriage was consummated.[1][3][4][5][6][7] Most of the sources indicate that she was nine years old at the time, with the single exception of al-Tabari, who records that she was ten.[3] The marriage was delayed until after the Hijra, or migration to Medina, in 622; Aisha and her older sister Asma bint Abi Bakr only moved to Medina after Muhammad had already migrated there. After this, the wedding was celebrated very simply. The sources do not offer much more information about Aisha's childhood years, but mention that after the wedding, she continued to play with her toys, and that Muhammad entered into the spirit of these games.[8]

[anthony65]

Islamvslizards has replied to this question.

But you would condemn the references in the talmud that state that sex with children is okay?

Does someone have any links to this?

We want to be fair don't we. Maybe the talmud child sex stories are just another religious hoax...

Here is a list of alleged quotes from the Talmud.

http://www.rense.com/general86/talmd.htm

If true, these are truly horrific... :(

[picha]

his wife aisha was between 16 and 18 when he married her, and consumated the marriage a year later. the hadiths which claim she was a child have been torn to pieces by both shia and sunni scholars throughout history, yet maintain on anti muslim sites with an agenda.

so yes, he did.
1. Sahih al-Bukhari 810-870 A.D. 256 A.H.

1a. "Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old." Bukhari vol.5 book 58 ch.43 no.236 p.153.

1b. The same points are in Bukhari vol.5 book 58 ch.43 no.234 p.152.

1c. "Narrated ‘Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six year old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari vol.7 book 62 ch.60 no.88 p.65

1d. Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect. Bukhari vol.7 book 62 ch.115 no.163 p.119



1e. "Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam), and (I don't remember) a single day passing without our being visited by Allah’s Apostle in the morning and in the evening." Bukhari vol.5 book 58 ch.44 no.245 p.158. Thus ‘Aisha was either not very old or not born yet when her parents became Muslims. This is consistent with her being a child when her marriage with Mohammed was consummated.

2. Sahih Muslim 817-875 A.D. 261 A.H.

This is generally considered the second most reliable collection of hadiths.

2a. "(3309) ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She too hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have shared in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him." Sahih Muslim vol.2 book 8 ch.548 no.3309 p.715-716

2b. "(3310) ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."

(3311) ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married here when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and here dolls were with her: and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old." Sahih Muslim vol.2 book 8 ch.548 no.3310,3311 p.716.

2c. "(5981) ’A’isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), whereas Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent them to her.

2d. (5982) This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Hisham with the same chain of transmitters with a slight variation of wording." Sahih Muslim vol.4 book 29 ch.1005 no.5981-5982 p.1299

3. Sunan Abu Dawud 817-888/9 A.D. 275 A.H.

3a. "(2116) ‘A’ishah said : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said : Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old." Sunan Abu Dawud vol.2 book 5 ch.700 no.2116 p.569

3b. "(4913) ‘A’ishah said : I used to play with dolls. Sometimes the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) entered upon me when the girls were with me. When he came in, they went out, and when he went out, they came in." Sunan Abu Dawud vol.3 book 36 ch.1769 no.4913 p.1373

Note carefully this is NOT saying Mohammed had intercourse with A’isha while her playmates were watching. Rather it says the playmates played with her, and they went out when Mohammed came by, and could come back after he left.

3c. "(4915) ‘A’ishah said : The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

Abu Dawud said : That is to say : I menstruated, and I was brought in a house, and there were some women of the Ansari (Helpers) in it. They said : With good luck and blessing. The tradition of one of them has been included in the other. Sunan Abu Dawud vol.3 book 36 ch.1770 no.4915 p.1374

3d. (5916) [typo, really 4916] The tradition mentioned above has also been transmitted by Abu Usamah in a similar manner through a different chain of narrators. This version has: ‘With good fortune.’ She (Umm Ruman) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and redressed me. No one came to me suddenly except the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) in the forenoon. So they entrusted me to him. Sunan Abu Dawud vol.3 book 36 ch.1770 no.4916 p.1374

3e. (4917) ‘A’ishah said: When we came to Medina, the women came to me when I was playing on the swing, and my hair were [sp] up to my ears. They brought me, prepared me, and decorated me. Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and he took up cohabitation with me, when I was nine. Sunan Abu Dawud vol.3 book 36 ch.1770 no.4917 p.1374

3f. (4918) The tradition mentioned above has also been transmitted by Hisham b. ‘Urwah through a different chain of narrators. This version adds: I was swinging and I had my friends. They brought me to a house ; there were some women of the Ansar (Helpers). They said : With good luck and blessing. Sunan Abu Dawud vol.3 book 36 ch.1770 no.4918 p.1374

3g. (4919) ‘A’ishah said : We came to Medina and stayed with Banu al-Harith b. al-Khazraj. She said : I swear by Allah, I was swinging between two date-palms. Then my mother came, and made me come down; and I had my hair up to the ears. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition." Sunan Abu Dawud vol.3 book 36 ch.1770 no.4915-4919 p.1374.

Conclusion on Abu Dawud: 7 references and no counter-references affirm that A’isha was nine.

4. Tirmidhi 825-892 A.D. 209-279 A.H.

"..Ahmad and Is'haq said that if a female orphan reaches nine years old and was wed with her consent, then the marriage is permissible and she will have no choice when she matures. The two relied on a hadith by Ai'sha stating that the prophet peace be upon him had sexual relations with her when she was nine. Aisha said, if the little girl reaches nine then she is a woman" Tirmidhi said: A good hadith. (Tirmidhi, "Marriage according to Allah's apostle", #1027)

5. Sunan Nas’ai 830-915 A.D. 215-303 A.H.

5a. A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married her when she was six and had intercourse with her when she was nine. (Sunan Nas’ai, Book of Marriage, no.3255)

5b. A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married me when I was seven and had intercourse with me when I was nine. (Sunan Nas’ai, Book of Marriage, no.3256)

5c. A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married me when I was nine and I accompanied him for nine years. (Sunan Nas’ai, Book of Marriage, no.3257)

5d. A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married her when she was nine and died when she was eighteen. (Sunan Nas’ai, Book of Marriage, no.3258)

5e. A'ishah said: The Apostle of Allah peace be upon him married me when I was six and had intercourse with me when I was nine and I was playing with dolls. (Sunan Nas’ai, Book of Marriage, no.3256)

Note that the previous are in original Arabic, but were not in the English translation. However, the English translator at the front wrote the following under #18.

"When Hadrat 'A'isha passed nine years of married life, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fell in mortal sickness. On the 9th or the 12th of Rabi-ul-Awwal 11 A.H., he left this mortal world…Hadrat 'A'isha was eighteen years of age at the time when the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed away and she remained a widow for forty-eight years till she died at the age of sixty-seven." Sunan Nasa’i vol.1 #18 p.108-109 (English material at the front)

Note that she had nine years of married life with Mohammed, and since he died when she was eighteen, she was nine years old when she started her married life with Mohammed.

Conclusion on Sunan Nasa'i: Not counting English translation notes, the Arabic has 5 references and no counter-references to affirm that A’isha was nine.

6. Ibn-i-Majah 824-886/887 A.D. 273 A.H.

6a. A’isha was married when she was six years old, and nine when she went to Mohammed’s house. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 book 9 ch.13 no.1876 p.133

6b. A’isha was married at seven, went to Mohammed’s house at nine, and was 18 when Mohammed died. According to al-Zawa’id, its isnad is sahih according to the condition of Bukhari. However Abu ‘Ubaida did not hear from his father, so it is munqata (has a gap) Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 book 9 ch.13 no.1877 p.134.

7. The Historian ibn Ishaq - died 767/773 A.D. 145/151 A.H.

7a. "Yahya b. Abbad b. Abdullah b. al-Zubayr from his father told me that he heard Aisha say: "The apostle died in my bosom during my turn: I had wronged none in regard to him. It was due to my ignorance and extreme youth that the apostle died in my arms.""
(Guillaume, A., The Life of Muhammad, a translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan, page 682). A’isha said she was an extreme youth when Mohammed died.

8. The Historian al-Tabari - died 923 A.D.

8a. ‘Aisha was 6 (or 7) years old when she was married, and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. al-Tabari vol.9 p.129-131. Muhammad b. ‘Amr is one of the transmitters.

8b. ‘Aisha was 6-7 when married, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9-10, three months after coming to Mecca al-Tabari vol.7 p.7. The chain of transmission includes an unnamed man from the Quraysh.

8c. Aisha died in June-July 678 A.D. (A.H. 58) at the age of 66. That would make her born in 610 A.D.. al-Tabari says she consummated her marriage with the prophet when she was nine years old. al-Tabari vol.39 p.171,173. (al-Tabari wrote 38 volumes of history, plus a 39th volume called Biographies of the Prophet’s Companions and Their Successors.)

X 8c. On the other hand, al-Tabari also wrote that i.e. "All four of his [Abu Bakr’s] children were born of his two wives -- the names of whom we have already mentioned -- during the pre-Islamic period." (Tarikhu'l-umam wa'l-mamlu'k, Al-Tabari, vol.4, p.50, Arabic, Dara'l-fikr, Beirut, 1979. al-Tabari vol.11 p.141 also mentions this, with footnote 766 saying al-Tabari has a conflict here. The footnote also says that al-Baladhuri’s Ansab I, p.409-411; Ibn Hajar’s Isabah IV, p.359-360 supports her being married by 9 years old.


And by the way........im still waiting for you to debunk my hate speech thread.

[picha]

Islamvslizards has replied to this question.

But you would condemn the references in the talmud that state that sex with children is okay?

Does someone have any links to this?

We want to be fair don't we. Maybe the talmud child sex stories are just another religious hoax...

Of course I would condemn those references if they were true.

[islamvslizards]

the "mother of believers" and the age of aisha the first 5 or so minutes are prayers in arabic but therafter the speech is english (the lecturer was raised in london)

picha, what on earth is your fascination with ibn ishaq? are you his PR agent or something?

[adbasque]

We have proved you wrong, you started accusing Islam for killing little children, now you're changing the subject again, Oh Picha

We have shown you time and time again, that you are a liar, why I call you a liar? Simple, before maybe you didn't know the truth, the second time maybe you didn't understand it, the third time you are a liar and you will never accept the truth except what your Zionist websites are telling you.

Do you know Islam or the Qu'ran better than me or IVL>? I am listening go on.

Why did you change from killing children, to Mohamed marrying a 9 year old?

How old was Aisha (RAA) when the Prophet (PEACE BE UPON HIM) passed away?

Go on find out her age.

[anthony65]

Of course I would condemn those references if they were true.

Okay.

[tyler]

Note how the Israeli Picha has all that information at his fingertips. Instantly provided by his backup team at megaphone or the like.

They are so well organised!

[adbasque]

All those who blame the prophet of Islam P.B.U.H. for marriage with little girl, do listen Shaykh Yusuf Estes:


The concern about the marriage of the Prophet (SAWS) with Aisha (ra) has usually to do with the age of Aisha (ra) at the time of her marriage. The question usually asked here is ‘Is it true that the Prophet (SAWS) married Aisha (ra) when she was a child? And if so, what does this mean and how do we understand that about child brides in Islam?’

What we want to tell you before we begin is that Islam is always about rights and limits. Never is it permissible in Islam to take advantage of anybody else. Allah (SWT) clearly tells us that he does not oppress and he hates those who oppress and he forbids humans to oppress each other. So if you’re imagining some kind of oppression here, you can put your mind at ease; this is not oppression.

Let us now investigate what were the conditions and the customs and traditions of the people at the time of the Prophet (SAWS). The Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula at that time used to marry a girl at any age. There was no limit on it. Because it wasn’t about sexual intercourse or anything. It was about establishing the right of marriage of a man getting to marry a girl and marrying in to a family.

It was about tribalism and with little of any stipulation that the girl had any say or any rights. As a matter of fact, that was the last and the least of their considerations.

Additionally, in those days it was considered a shame on the family if they had a child that was a girl born to them. So some of the men would take these girls when they were born, in to the desert and bury them alive. That was considered the manly thing to do.

And when a child was orphaned, lets say there was a little girl whose father passed away, then a man could come along and claim that I want to marry this girl and take all the wealth that she was to inherit.

People would also take the wealth of boys and girls and mix it with their own wealth and claim that they were improving the condition for that child until they got old enough to make decisions for themselves. And obviously benefiting themselves with this mingling of funds.

So, when Islam came (in stages). It came with the thought that it is God who has authority over man. And this was the Tawheed, the monotheism that was the influential thought and teaching of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) . And here now it was he showing God’s authority to behave, especially in this idea of being married. So there is a chapter now in the Qur’an about women.

In this chapter dealing with issues related to women, which is the fourth chapter. You can go to verse 19 which says ‘O you who believe. You cannot inherit women against their will.’ Meaning that you cannot take from them their inheritance and meaning also that you cannot marry them without their consent and they have to be old enough for the age of consent. This is very clear.

A man could not marry a girl. He can only marry a woman. A woman meaning she’s old enough to have children, and mature enough to make these kind of decisions.

Now let us turn to the subject at hand, which is the age of Aisha (ra). Only Aisha (ra) herself is telling us about this. She is telling us in her own words what her age was when her mother came to her and she (Aisha [ra]) was playing outside, and her mother asks her to come in the house. She was six years old. Her mother takes her in to the house to see her father.

Her father is there, offering her hand in marriage now to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). And this was a custom and tradition in their society. So it was definitely within the limits of the society they live in and it was approved of, but look at this. It wasn’t accepted by Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

How do we know this? Because if you continue reading, we find that she went back outside and continued playing. And this is to indicate what? That although this is very much appreciated, at least in intention, yet the girl’s not old enough and she must be the one to decide. Thats why you find another Hadeeth in the same book of Bukhari that mentions a different age. So you may wonder, is it 6 years old or is it 9 years old? Maybe they turned the number upside down?! But that’s not possible in Arabic :).

In fact a similar incident happens in another place. Again her mother is taking her inside with her father offering her hand in marriage to the Prophet (SAWS). At this time she’s older and in a position to make this decision. But then again they did not have any marriage until she gave consent.

The second part is that even when she got married to the Prophet (SAWS), she didn’t go live with him until she was old enough to have children. That’s also a condition and an understanding in Islam. And even then, he (the Prophet (SAWS)) took his time with her. She said herself, that they used to run, play, and enjoy being together.

And she talks about growing up with him and also the mutual love and respect for each other. In her whole life she never mentioned any disparaging remarks against her husband. It was only the most glowing of reports that comes from her about Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). Although he died when she was still a young lady, she continued in her life with full respect and honor. She never remarried.

She also became one of the best scholars in the area about telling us of women’s needs and women’s conditions and things that Islam is providing for women. We know a lot about this from Aisha (ra).

Additionally, I would ask you to consider how much he loved her. When he was dying, he wanted to be with her and he made a point to be there. And she would take care of him at this time. And he passed away with his head in her lap. Now this shows a great love between both of them.

Yet she didn’t wail, or cry, or tear at her dress. Instead she understood that he was going to his lord. She also understood throughout the rest of her life that she also would go to her lord and that they would be together again in paradise living happily ever after.

[adbasque]

his wife aisha was between 16 and 18 when he married her, and consumated the marriage a year later. the hadiths which claim she was a child have been torn to pieces by both shia and sunni scholars throughout history, yet maintain on anti muslim sites with an agenda.

so yes, he did.

They spend at least 1 year together before they consumated the marriage.
Let them spout.

[anthony65]

Note how the Israeli Picha has all that information at his fingertips. Instantly provided by his backup team at megaphone or the like.

They are so well organised!

Could just be wikipedia...

Same thing I suppose.... :p

If we search religious texts of all the major faiths I think we're likely to find a long list of stories that will sound very wrong.

I remember as a child being horrified at the stories of the genocide of the cannanites and others described in the Old Testament... Kill the men, women and boys but take the virgin girls for your own or something along those lines. My mum could never give me a decent response to that,

Are the talmud passages still providing excuses for child abuse?

Child abusers have hidden behind the priesthood of every religion... But not all priests are or were abusers.

And of course, in our modern age, the UN child abuse machine tramps around the world abusing children under the cover of "charity".

[picha]

Note how the Israeli Picha has all that information at his fingertips. Instantly provided by his backup team at megaphone or the like.

They are so well organised!

Have you never heared of google?

[tyler]

Have you never heared of google?

Yes, like Wikopedia, it is an Israeli owned information service. Reuters and Associated press (AP) are owned by similar people.

[adbasque]

Have you never heared of google?

Yup, that's just the point lol

[teardropexplodes]

Yes, like Wikopedia, it is an Israeli owned information service. Reuters and Associated press (AP) are owned by similar people.

pwned ;)

[adbasque]

And of course, in our modern age, the UN child abuse machine tramps around the world abusing children under the cover of "charity".

It's breath of fresh air when we read someone who makes sense.

[breezinreezin]

There was no rudeness it's a forum man, I am not at all arrogant, and I am sure aitch can answer it and he'll probably will, and I am not better qualified.

I know what it is. A forum does not equate to a free-for-all for the argumentative. There are rules and certain, tacit understandings.

Now, if you're asking me to ignore you, that's no problem at all, but I couldn't have known that, now I know, and so it will be.No need to ask the question if of me. Should you read my posts you'll see that I have no trouble being direct and specific. I made no mention of you ignoring me, but the reverse. However, I thought your post here needed to be responded to, as will be made apparent.

This is a forum and anyone is entitled to make his/her comments and it's a free forum, but now that you requested it, I see no problems in ignoring you.Re-read what you've written in the last 2 paragraphs, then stop, take a step back and ask yourself: 'If this is indicative of my powers of reasoning, why would anyone on this forum, or elsewhere for that matter, take me seriously'.

[Hint: If to Is, is one gigantic leap and then there's the huge slice of irony to consider, bearing in mind your previous protestations regarding what and who should and shouldn't post here.]

You take more care.

[mightyoak]

all of which is proven

By whom ? Post me something other "than an Islamic version" OR Something that is not from the antichrists on the matter...

[synergy777]

All those who blame the prophet of Islam P.B.U.H. for marriage with little girl, do listen Shaykh Yusuf Estes:

if this is true, then what does it mean, does it mean that the lies of mohammed marrying a girl, are elite disinfo, after all islam is a target of the elite.

the eastern culture is quite scrict when it comes to marriage, thus maybe the elite are spreading lies about mohammed, in order to discredit him.

after all many of the hadiths etc are from the corrupt clergy and not from mohammed.

what do you think of the view, that the vatican created islam, via the manipulation/support of khadija, muhammed's first wife. many people think islam was created by the vatican, in order to have an organised enemy, thus they could begin the crusades. as the vatican was losing power, they needed an enemy to galvanise europe, and create a conflict that they would control.

also the the last pope himself, acknowledged the koran as a holy text.

[zarah]

To try and make out that islam is not militant is quite a difficult thing to do when you have someone like mohammed as the example for all muslims to live up to.

Who are you? I understand that we're all faceless to a degree, but our personality comes through in the posts we make. With all due respect, I don't read any posts from you unless they're in a topic like this and your comments are always extremely ignorant, extremely offensive and extremely false. I've read lots of information about agents being employed by differents agencies with agendas which the agents follow....you kinda display all the signs of being one..

Anyway, I digress....Mohammed was a peaceful man, who loved his children and his wives, who was vilified by many for being too equitable and who demanded that his followers show other people respect. What an example, eh?

[zarah]

He didnt teach people to stop shagging 9 year olds though did he.

What an absolutely disgusting and disrespectful statement!!

You do nothing except reinfornce my point...you're planted here. Your task is to incite and distract. I wonder how we can find out for sure...

[adbasque]

if this is true, then what does it mean, does it mean that the lies of mohammed marrying a girl, are elite disinfo, after all islam is a target of the elite.

yes definitely a lie, he never consumated her, he even rejected the first attempt when he saw her going out to play he knew that she was still a child, until she was old enough to make her decision.
And even after they got married he didn't consumate their marriage for yet another year after.


the eastern culture is quite scrict when it comes to marriage, thus maybe the elite are spreading lies about mohammed, in order to discredit him.

You see not only it was strict but back then 1400 years ago, before Islam, Arabs used to bury their new born daughters because they were embarassed, Islam stopped all of that nonsense.



after all many of the hadiths etc are from the corrupt clergy and not from mohammed.

You have the true hadiths (sahih) which you can trace all the way back to the Prophet (PBUH)
some weren't deliberately weak hadiths, but others are deliberately made up to discredit not just Mohamed (PBUH), but Islam, religions and God.


what do you think of the view, that the vatican created islam, via the manipulation/support of khadija, muhammed's first wife. many people think islam was created by the vatican, in order to have an organised enemy, thus they could begin the crusades. as the vatican was losing power, they needed an enemy to galvanise europe, and create a conflict that they would control.

Yes there are few people going around and spreading new lies, they have never debated these issues with some of the Muslim scholars, even on this forum we have refuted and very succesfully that it is yet another attempt from the elite.
Whatever the new age they always try and use it to their advantage, we've said it time and time again for instance Muslims, never used any symbols, they had a flag with "In the name of allah the most merciful" written on it.

No Crescent, no star, nothing like that.
Mosques were not even decorated, because they caused distraction while praying, yo uhave to be a 100% focused and concetrated (Khouchou'h)

It was necessary all of the decorations inside a mosque.


also the the last pope himself, acknowledged the koran as a holy text.

Even if he disagrees it's not going to change the fact, that is a holy book.
For instance if he said No, he knows that he will be confronted by some Muslim scholars and that risks to discredit his own position, do you see what I mean?

He also knows that what's in the Qu'ran can damage his image as the "leader" of the Christian church, which we all know, he isn't.
Between him and Christianity there's an ocean.

And he certainly won't appear to be bashing another religion, that doesn't mean he supports Islam or Christianity for that matter.

He couldn't give a monkey of both religions, he is there for the power, money, and have sexual orgies everyday.

Everything is paid for.

[zarah]

Good post.

[adbasque]

What an absolutely disgusting and disrespectful statement!!

You do nothing except reinfornce my point...you're planted here. Your task is to incite and distract. I wonder how we can find out for sure...


Originally Posted by picha View Post
He didnt teach people to stop shagging 9 year olds though did he.

Yes and he/she uses a very offensive word on purpose.

Incite hatred, and distraction, because they probably noticed that all people are getting together, so let's divide them.

Yes thousands of professional bloggers were hired by different agencies and world wide, to do the job, of course as you mentioned we are faceless, which means you can't prove it, but we know that Picha and ES are definitely agents who are paid to spread lies, bury truth under tons of rubbish, which they copy from their designated websites.


Their downfall is to think that other people are stupid to swallow their crap.

But you would expect people like that especially on a forum like this one.

[bendoon]

[COLOR="Purple"]Poverty and crime are not a brown-skinned problem or a white skinned problem

Its nothing to do with crime, in the video its Muslims and Africans running round Birmingham beating people up simply because they are white.

[bendoon]

I agree, not only against Muslim or Jews, but any form of prejudice..

Why is it prejudice to want to preserve your way of life and culture and to not want to be invaded and ethnically cleansed by people from other countries ?

All it seems to me is that you are just using the Nu Labor trick of silencing dissent by name calling.

[eternal_spirit]

Yes and he/she uses a very offensive word on purpose.



Incite hatred,.

Need look no further than your posts of hate bile and abuse.

Yes thousands of professional bloggers were hired by different agencies and world wide, to do the job, of course as you mentioned we are faceless, which means you can't prove it, Lot's of islamic liars all over. And we know you are one (fact not bullshit)

but we know that Picha and ES are definitely agents who are paid to spread lies, bury truth under tons of rubbish, which they copy from their designated websites.How many more lies you gonna tell? Or You are seriously deluded and fantasising. Maybe both huh.




Their downfall is to think that other people are stupid to swallow their crap.No that's your downfall, anyone can go see what hatred and bile and other nasty stuff is in the Koran (which is the source and root of ALL Islamic extremism)

[zarah]

Its nothing to do with crime, in the video its Muslims and Africans running round Birmingham beating people up simply because they are white.

Ummm is that not a crime?

Black people beat up people because of their different skin colour, white people beat up people because of their different skin colour....you know this, and you also know that immigrants are invited here for exactly this purpose> Inherently there is a massive cultural difference between us, stick us all on the same small island, make sure the mms plays on peoples' fears...and sorted, everyone hates each other and we're all divided.

[eternal_spirit]

You have the true hadiths (sahih) which you can trace all the way back to the Prophet (PBUH)
some weren't deliberately weak hadiths, but others are deliberately made up to discredit not just Mohamed (PBUH), but Islam, religions and God.
Blind faith :rolleyes:
Islam is given more help than hinderance in some secular countries. So I don't buy your crap about tptb wanna destroy religions. They'd do it quicker, like ban Islam for starters in most countries.
I say that's a jolly good idea ol' bean oh boy.

He also knows that what's in the Qu'ran can damage his image as the "leader" of the Christian church, which we all know, he isn't.
Between him and Christianity there's an ocean.In your opinion and all the other Catholic haters like you.

And he certainly won't appear to be bashing another religion, that doesn't mean he supports Islam or Christianity for that matter.Oh yeah the big bad anti christ black pope lmao! oooh evil :rolleyes: Those nasty priests who splash a bit of water on the baby's head as initiation into the Satanicly evil Catholic faith!:rolleyes: we must stop this evil now Reunite Catholics against baptism/initiation by water! I tell you it's child abuse you here!

He couldn't give a monkey of both religions, he is there for the power, money, and have sexual orgies everyday.Sex orgies? get outta here, proof? Some bollox conspiracy theory you read somewhere? Nothing factual or any real evidence (just any bullshit to make out Catholicism is the work of satan hahah:D) the Dajal system that the Imam Mahdi will destroy when he returns along with the other western white devils, their cultures and societys (including us the people) then Islam will rule the world.

(you're waiting for the Imam Mahdi who disappeared over a 1000 years ago and you think he's coming back, really you do believe some unbelievable impossible shite)

Quote from faithfreedom.org (http://faithfreedom.org/)

Quran 52:24 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/052.qmt.html#052.024) Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded. Also in Surah 76:19 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/076.qmt.html#076.019) Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men. And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. I apologize if the above picture is disturbing. It is indeed disturbing. But it would be more disturbing if no one spoke about it. When Catholic priests molest children there is a law, there is a justice that holds them accountable. The Mullahs ARE the law, justice and the government. So they can do their shameful acts in public and who is going to stop them?

Homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death but pederasty is permissible.

http://news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/176-1/mollah.jpg

There you go, which is closer to God? Catholicism easily by far. What kind of a religion would promote and condone sex with little boys? or girls?(Islam)

Islam = genital mutilation for boys and girls, You shiites with your head cutting rituals for babys performed by parents if child is to small to cut itself (the more blood the bigger reward from Allah - the energy vampire demon God thing who feeds off these blood rituals, or a man made invention with a book to totally mind control Muslims. Whatever it's deepy evil and sick.

[adbasque]

Why is it prejudice to want to preserve your way of life and culture and to not want to be invaded and ethnically cleansed by people from other countries ?

All it seems to me is that you are just using the Nu Labor trick of silencing dissent by name calling.

bendoon, you keep repeating this, has anyone here said, we want to lose our culture, country, sovereignty?
But I don't see things the way you're trying to portray them, it's fearmongerng, I didn't see you screaming when black people were getting stabbed, when Asian were killed by white thugs, that didn't bother, maybe you were clapping even, did it bother you?

If that's the case show me one of your posts where you condemned the white thugs?

No matter what the subject is you seem to pick the same old argument, we lose our country, we lose our culture and so on and so forth.

you're not being fair nor objective here, so long as it happens to others, tough S*** is it?

[adbasque]

Need look no further than your posts of hate bile and abuse.
Let's ask people here who posts hate bile and abuse, shall we?
Are you up to it?
Let's do it and we'll see


Lot's of islamic liars all over. And we know you are one (fact not bullshit)

Of course, have you exposed me as a liar? I don't think so, I have done so, many times, with proof not just words, what you're doing is name calling, you haven't proved that I am lying lol poor ES, lost again?


How many more lies you gonna tell? Or You are seriously deluded and fantasising. Maybe both huh.

You mean when I expose you, and your pathetic lies? :D
I don't lie, I don't have to, what I do and you call them lies, is I expose you and you don't like it.


No that's your downfall, anyone can go see what hatred and bile and other nasty stuff is in the Koran (which is the source and root of ALL Islamic extremism)

You keep using the same words, are you short of arguments?

Here again you're contradicting yourself lol :D
When you say Islamic extremist, it implies that there's good Islam, which means someone is using a form of extremism, with extremist views.

Which brings us that Islam is not vile as you're trying to make it look.
unless of course you're using terms that you don't know the meaning of, which comes to no surprise to me, I always knew you talk without any knowledge whatsoever.

Oh poor ES, keep trying dear, you know that I know, you're a shill and a troll, now if you think I am lying, let's ask people here and we will see, shall we?

Oh btw and not only against Muslims, Jews too.:rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Blind faith :rolleyes:
Islam is given more help than hinderance in some secular countries. So I don't buy your crap about tptb wanna destroy religions. They'd do it quicker, like ban Islam for starters in most countries.
I say that's a jolly good idea ol' bean oh boy.
I always said that you're a shill, and you don't care what the tptb is doing, you only use them to push your own personal racist agenda.
but other than that you're pro tptb.


In your opinion and all the other Catholic haters like you. Adbasque Mohammed Escariot.
I thought you're the Catholic hater, I don't hate anyone, never did, and never will, all I hate are the shills who are paid to spread lies and hatred, to distract, to divide, show me one post of yours where you called to all humans to come together??
I can show you plenty of mine, posts and threads, coz I really care, you don't, you only care about Nazis.

The only people who would trust you here are the Nazi supporters like you, no other decent person will take you seriously and you know it too lol :D


Oh yeah the big bad anti christ black pope lmao! oooh evil :rolleyes: Those nasty priests who splash a bit of water on the baby's head as initiation into the Satanicly evil Catholic faith!:rolleyes: we must stop this evil now Reunite Catholics against baptism/initiation by water! I tell you it's child abuse you here!

Who's the Catholic hater here?
You or me?


Sex orgies? get outta here, proof? Some bollox conspiracy theory you read somewhere? Nothing factual or any real evidence (just any bullshit to make out Catholicism is the work of satan hahah:D) the Dajal system that the Imam Mahdi will destroy when he returns along with the other western white devils, their cultures and societys (including us the people) then Islam will rule the world.

You are definitely a shill lol thanks btw, you keep confirming everything I ever said about you and your sick agenda.

So now the Pope is a good guy is he?
:D
No need to comment any further, it is clear where you stand, I will leave it as it is.
I have told you, you're an idiot and you don't know what youre talking about.
Have I ever said Dajal will be destroyed by Imam Al Mahdi?
LOLL
I never said that, I said Dajal can only be destroyed by Issa (PBUH) that is Jesus by the way:rolleyes:
You see you twist everything, do you want me to prove that you twist everything?



You stupid fuckin shiite goons (you're waiting for the Imam Mahdi who disappeared over a 1000 years ago and you think he's coming back, really you do believe some unbelievable impossible shite)

Quote from faithfreedom.org (http://faithfreedom.org/)

Quran 52:24 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/052.qmt.html#052.024) Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded. Also in Surah 76:19 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/076.qmt.html#076.019) Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men. And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. I apologize if the above picture is disturbing. It is indeed disturbing. But it would be more disturbing if no one spoke about it. When Catholic priests molest children there is a law, there is a justice that holds them accountable. The Mullahs ARE the law, justice and the government. So they can do their shameful acts in public and who is going to stop them?

Homosexuality in Islam is punishable by death but pederasty is permissible.

http://news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/176-1/mollah.jpg

There you go, which is closer to God? Catholicism easily by far. What kind of a religion would promote and condone sex with little boys? or girls?(Islam)

Islam = genital mutilation for boys and girls, You shiites with your head cutting rituals for babys performed by parents if child is to small to cut itself (the more blood the bigger reward from Allah - the energy vampire demon God thing who feeds off these blood rituals, or a man made invention with a book to totally mind control Muslims. Whatever it's deepy evil and sick.

Already been proved you're a shill we have discussed this piece by piece, it has been flawed, that's you, typical.
You bring in something stupid as this, we prove to you it's pure fabrication, not with words, we show evidence, then you keep it somewhere until the topic has moved on with 10 or 20 pages then you bring it back again.

Go and read the thread to see that we have covered that crap of yours before, in more details.

Get a life

[pinkfreud]

please calm the f**k down people :D i'm sure this topic can be discussed without getting personal.

[adbasque]

please calm the f**k down people :D i'm sure this topic can be discussed without getting personal.

Have you ever tried to talk some sense to ES? :D come on lol

I am not even taking him seriously lol, he can spout all he wants

[picha]

Who are you? I understand that we're all faceless to a degree, but our personality comes through in the posts we make. With all due respect, I don't read any posts from you unless they're in a topic like this and your comments are always extremely ignorant, extremely offensive and extremely false. I've read lots of information about agents being employed by differents agencies with agendas which the agents follow....you kinda display all the signs of being one..

Anyway, I digress....Mohammed was a peaceful man, who loved his children and his wives, who was vilified by many for being too equitable and who demanded that his followers show other people respect. What an example, eh?

Is beheading between 600-900 people in 1 night peaceful zara? If you think thats peaceful then we must both understand the word peaceful to mean completely different things.
As for his so called wives his favorite one aisha was only 9 years old when he started having sex with her and the others were little more than sex slaves referred to as 'right hand possessions' captured in battle.

[picha]

What an absolutely disgusting and disrespectful statement!!

You do nothing except reinfornce my point...you're planted here. Your task is to incite and distract. I wonder how we can find out for sure...


You may think its disgusting and disrespectful but according to islamic sources its true.
I know you know its true because I saw you admitting it on another thread.
Im sorry if you are offended but thats the ugly truth about mohammed and it needs to be exposed.

[islamvslizards]

Is beheading between 600-900 people in 1 night peaceful zara?

if the 600 or so men who are being killed:

(1) tried to kill EVERY muslim
(2) plotted against them in secret, and were caught red handed, and warned
(3) joined the enemy army mid battle nevertheless
(4) broke their own jewish laws of treatys
(5) broke the treaty with the muslims
(6) had been living in peace - and enjoying the protection off the muslim army
(7) accept the authority of their own rabbis as judges over them, who selected this punishment

not to mention no other jewish tribe in the area - and there were loads - were even touched, in fact they themselves rejected the banu qurayza to their fate

then what is your problem with their punishment? what would have done instead? given them a hug?


If you think thats peaceful then we must both understand the word peaceful to mean completely different things.

we must understand the difference between peaceful, and weak. the two are separate.


As for his so called wives his favorite one aisha

wrong.

his favourite was the lady khatija who he married for 25 years, and didnot marry any other woman in this period even though polygamy was the cultural norm.


was only 9 years old when he started having sex with her

wrong. she was between 16-18 at least


and the others were little more than sex slaves referred to as 'right hand possessions' captured in battle.

wrong. every single wife of the prophet can be seen Muhammad's wives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, no accounts of any sex slaves im afraid, in any hadiths unless you can make some hadiths up again...oops i mean show the hadiths

[islamvslizards]

who wants a bet that picha is about to quote something from ibn ishaq?

[zarah]

Is beheading between 600-900 people in 1 night peaceful zara? If you think thats peaceful then we must both understand the word peaceful to mean completely different things.
As for his so called wives his favorite one aisha was only 9 years old when he started having sex with her and the others were little more than sex slaves referred to as 'right hand possessions' captured in battle.

Is it beyond you to put any fact into historical or societal context?

I don't believe I've read anything about right hand possessions relating to women, or women being thought of as sex- slaves. I believe Aisha was a favourite but not in comparison to Khadija.

You're right in that I was under the impression that Muhammed consumated the marriage to Aisha after her first menstrual cycle, but I've since read that the fact is probably false. We all live and learn...well most of us.

[mightyoak]

You're right in that I was under the impression that Muhammed consumated the marriage to Aisha after her first menstrual cycle, but I've since read that the fact is probably false. We all live and learn...well most of us.

But it is a well known fact Aisha was 6 when marriage was forced upon her And the perverse act of paedophilia Today classed as statutory rape of a juvenile Carried out at 9. The stuff you have read is to the contrary so probably false.

[eternal_spirit]

I have told you, you're an idiot and you don't know what youre talking about. You are a liar and idiot and the worst troll on this forum
Have I ever said Dajal will be destroyed by Imam Al Mahdi?
LOLLThat's what Many Muslims believe. Your Muslim friend scooby said Christians and Muslims will join forces to defeat the Satanic Dajjal system (the evil white westerners and the Satanic Jews)

Then their will be a final battle between Christians and Muslims (Islam will win and rule the world) according to Scooby this is Islamic Koranic prophecy. And is the will of Allah so no one can stop it from happening. :rolleyes:
I never said that, I said Dajal can only be destroyed by Issa (PBUH) that is Jesus by the way:rolleyes:
You see you twist everything, do you want me to prove that you twist everything?
I've proved you are twisted and twist everything many times :D



Already been proved you're a shill we have discussed this piece by piece, it has been flawed, that's you, typical.Your middle name Is Shirley.:D
You bring in something stupid as this, we prove to you it's pure fabrication, not with words, we show evidence, then you keep it somewhere until the topic has moved on with 10 or 20 pages then you bring it back again.
Wrong, You said the Pope and co have wild sex orgies (without any evidence)
So I proved that Islam allows peadophilia and produced quotes from your relgious texts and pics of peadophile Muslim Mullahs kissing little boys - to prove it's real http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1184928&postcount=161 (that's good evidence) and factual. Therefore is the will of Mohammed.

[zarah]

But it is a well known fact Aisha was 6 when marriage was forced upon her And the perverse act of paedophilia Today classed as statutory rape of a juvenile Carried out at 9. The stuff you have read is to the contrary is probably false.


I don't claim to know masses and masses about Islam, but I do know that marriage wasn't forced in the way that you imply. Marriage in 7th c ME was entirely different to marriage of today, it was a unity of families than of the individuals, and keeping the tribe a strong unit was paramount. Aisha lived in her father's house (Abu Bakr, the first caliph), for the first few years, not even residing with Muhammed.

In the UK until relatively recently, marriages were arranged in an identical way, and up until the middle ages, children would marry at about the same age. You are aware of Isabella of Valois who married King Richard II at 6 aren't you? Is this just as shocking? Should we demand that the Monarchy be abolished because it too is full of 'paedophiles'?

The 'stuff' I read is from a myriad of sources, not just websites which propagates an anti-islam agenda, so I'd beg to differ, if you don't mind.

It's funny....according to your logic, I shouldn't compare your rhetoric, which I would define as racist. as being anything like the mandate of the KKK, but you feel no compulsion to refrain from defaming the character of a man who isn't here to defend himself. Are those who disagree with your opinion the only party who should censor their posts?

[adbasque]

But it is a well known fact Aisha was 6 when marriage was forced upon her And the perverse act of paedophilia Today classed as statutory rape of a juvenile Carried out at 9. The stuff you have read is to the contrary so probably false.

The Prophet asked her hand when she walked and went straight back out to play, he then decided she was still too young, until few years later, her mother brought her in to ask he opinion about marriage, she agreed.

She didn't move in with the Prophet (PEACE BE UPON HIM) until she was old enough and when she moved in, he gave her all the time she ever needed.

They consumated the marriage she was nearly 18.
He never ever touched her when she was 9, not even 16.

When he died, he died on her laps, they absolutely loved each other like crazy, he loved her to pieces.

His first wife he never remarried until she passed away.

He was NOT a paedophile, and sick people who have no respect for a man who's not alive to defend himself, character assasination, insult to all Muslims and Islam.

Get your facts right and stop talking about something which you have no knowledge, none whatsoever.

Sorry

[adbasque]

You are a liar and idiot and the worst troll on this forum
That's what Many Muslims believe. Your Muslim friend scooby said Christians and Muslims will join forces to defeat the Satanic Dajjal system (the evil white westerners and the Satanic Jews)

Dajal System is hardly Dajal himself is it?
I Said Dajal will only be killed by Issa (Jesus) Peace be upon him


You can't tell between Dajal and Dajal's system?
We are in Dajal's system right now, if you only have two brain cell that you can rub together to get some sparks in that dormant organ of yours, you call brains


Then their will be a final battle between Christians and Muslims (Islam will win and rule the world) according to Scooby this is Islamic Koranic prophecy. And is the will of Allah so no one can stop it from happening. :rolleyes:
I've proved you are twisted and twist everything many times :D

This is not as straight forward as most people think it will be, it will be a battle between true believers and Fake ones they call themselves Christians but they have nothing to do with Christianity, the like of Tony Bliar and George Bush.


You wish lol, I tell you what you have proved so far, you have proved that you lack of a lot of intelligence, and general knowledge too.
Can I remind you, when you asked me who was Dajal, and who was al Mahdi?

Do want me to post them for people to see who's twisted and twisting facts? Tell me do you want me to post, because I will and make them as large for everyone here to see what you really are and how you try to twist facts and constantly lie???

Go on be brave and say yes and I will post them, Lol



Your middle name Is Shirley.:D
Wrong, You said the Pope and co have wild sex orgies (without any evidence)
So I proved that Islam allows peadophilia and produced quotes from your relgious texts and pics of peadophile Muslim Mullahs kissing little boys - to prove it's real http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1184928&postcount=161 (that's good evidence) and factual. Therefore is the will of Mohammed.

Oh now the Pope is a good guy is he? :D
Go and educate yourself please do us all a favour go and educate yourself, I will tell you why, because you're really lowering the level here on this forum.

Who the hell is the Mullah? I never heard of him, do you think any idiot who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim? lol

Tell me do you like being humiliated in public? how many times do we have to show you that you're a full time ignorant?

To that picture it doesn't mean anything at all, certain cultures do kiss you especially middle eastern people, they are warm people.

Not as cold as you are.
But that doesn't mean this Mullah is genuine, for all we know he is a drug pusher who knows.

So anyone with a beard and a turbin is a Muslim? :D
We have explained to you that there are sects that call themselves Muslims and they are not.
They are not following anything Islam stands for.

Learn ES learn it's important, otherwise you will be ridiculed and publicly humiliated.
Go ahead make my day lol

[eternal_spirit]

You can't tell between Dajal and Dajal's system?
We are in Dajal's system right now
That's what I said. Do you ever bother to read and understand what others say? Because your replys are pure ASS talk. Go ahead read my reply again and see how dumb your responses are.

They consumated the marriage she was nearly 18.
He never ever touched her when she was 9, not even 16.

Bollox, even Islamic sources state otherwise.

[sphelix]

No, its the white British that will be rounded up and put in camps and its about time people woke up to the fact.

exactly!

[sphelix]

As usual, a member who is openly hostile to anything even smelling of Islam, opens up an 'debate' which is baseless, with the obvious intention of causing yet another argument and further dividing us.

Of course tptb are ensuring that each country is culturally diluted. This ensures the erosion of a national identity, which makes any changes, including the introduction of world government, a easier pill for us to swallow - in theory. We also live in a country which is called a democracy but which is actually a oligarchial, plurocratic system, so the population have no right of reply to these alterations.

If we think rationally, without any learned behaviour which dicates that western equals civilised, white equals superior intelligence and reactionary religion equals beackwards, it could be assumed that, a militant agenda within Islam is being propagated, to further frustrate non Muslims and cause yet more antagonism and division between all sides.

Has anyone actually read the Talmud? I've never, in my entire life, read a more horrific, disgusting and racist piece of writing in my life....yet the general population is kept unaware. Why?


And where does Picha come from? Has anyone read any posts from her/him which are unconnected with Islam?

People simply have to obey the law and culture of the country you come to. THAT IS CALLED RESPECT, just as taking your shoes off before you enter someone's house when that is the custom, leave sharia law and courts outside the door too! Its not so bloody difficult, its rights issue taken too far!

- if you cant take your shoes off as it is DEAD GLUED to your feet.. dont come in, talk outside.
then we all can be civil about it.

[godgoo]

did you see the MOAB at 9:50? shweee! These marines are green :)

Future Weapons: MOAB - YouTube

That may have not been a MOAB but it was big. I have been following the future weapons episodes and you should see the new arsenal that US have at their disposal.

[pinkfreud]

i'd left a thread note earlier and i've still had to edit some posts today.

please discuss this subject like adults; name calling won't take us anywhere- we all know that.

[sphelix]

So anyone with a beard and a turbin is a Muslim? :D
We have explained to you that there are sects that call themselves Muslims and they are not.
They are not following anything Islam stands for.

Learn ES learn it's important, otherwise you will be ridiculed and publicly humiliated.
Go ahead make my day lol

Yes, bash everyone and insult them, humilate them publicly, afterall they are wrong about you and Islam, how could they do such a thing, what the heck do they know?! right? after all that is done all those publicity about so called moslem's acts are just.. propaganda, and they are not really moslems, really.

what a deplorable act by these ignorant fools! show them the vast knowledge and understanding of your religion, BASH THEM!

i am sure after defeat they would respect and understand your view and change their point of view totally.

there is a quote somewhere: knowledge without wisdom is a dangerous tool,
you should change it to: knowledge without wisdom makes you a complete tool.

[zarah]

People simply have to obey the law and culture of the country you come to. THAT IS CALLED RESPECT, just as taking your shoes off before you enter someone's house when that is the custom, leave sharia law and courts outside the door too! Its not so bloody difficult, its rights issue taken too far!

- if you cant take your shoes off as it is DEAD GLUED to your feet.. dont come in, talk outside.
then we all can be civil about it.

Islam teaches that the law of the country one lives in should be respected, the neighbour one lives next to should be respected, and any person walking, should be respected, so I'm not seeing your point.

Shariah law is a law which reflects life holistically, it isn't a law in the legal sense that you and I would comprehend a legal system. It easily works in conjunction with state law because, as I said in the last paragraph, a Muslim is required to respect the law of the land they live in.

'Clerics' who shout about having Shariah law imposed as a state law in any country, who incessantly refer to Islam being forced upon everyone even if they're against its teachings and the rest of it are propagated by people with agendas, which may not be as transparent as their idiocy. I'm not defending these people, I'm just statiing the obvious...Islam is a fraternal doctrine which teaches respect and peace (except when attacked) and these people make lots of noise about it being the opposite...to what purpose?

[adbasque]

Yes, bash everyone and insult them, humilate them publicly, afterall they are wrong about you and Islam, how could they do such a thing, what the heck do they know?! right? after all that is done all those publicity about so called moslem's acts are just.. propaganda, and they are not really moslems, really.

what a deplorable act by these ignorant fools! show them the vast knowledge and understanding of your religion, BASH THEM!

i am sure after defeat they would respect and understand your view and change their point of view totally.

there is a quote somewhere: knowledge without wisdom is a dangerous tool,
you should change it to: knowledge without wisdom makes you a complete tool.

Go and read the thread from the start and read it through.

Take a look who insulted whom first, take time to read through before making any comments.

[sphelix]

Islam teaches that the law of the country one lives in should be respected, the neighbour one lives next to should be respected, and any person walking, should be respected, so I'm not seeing your point.

Shariah law is a law which reflects life holistically, it isn't a law in the legal sense that you and I would comprehend a legal system. It easily works in conjunction with state law because, as I said in the last paragraph, a Muslim is required to respect the law of the land they live in.

'Clerics' who shout about having Shariah law imposed as a state law in any country, who incessantly refer to Islam being forced upon everyone even if they're against its teachings and the rest of it are propagated by people with agendas, which may not be as transparent as their idiocy. I'm not defending these people, I'm just statiing the obvious...Islam is a fraternal doctrine which teaches respect and peace (except when attacked) and these people make lots of noise about it being the opposite...to what purpose?

zarah, good post. i hope the fundamentalists and extremists could understand this and more kind and tolerant moslems should voice out their opinions. good moslems should not be sheeps to these crazy 'clerics'. too bad these 'crazy' clerics have so much power on the govt bodies or society that they are not setting good examples, giving wrong directions, and ruining it for everyone.

imo, religion and politics should be separated as far as possible.

i wish you good fasting month.

[sphelix]

Go and read the thread from the start and read it through.

Take a look who insulted whom first, take time to read through before making any comments.

i read your other thread too and there is a better way to show people what good in Islam than bashing everything and everyone and ridicule them of the fact that they do not know much on your religion, after all it is not theirs..

to be a listener, understand what and why it is said, and explain based on your good knowledge instead of challenging everybody with a wielded sword (and a sharp one at that).

this is how to get buy-in and fruitful dialogue. To all religion, God does not need anyone to defend on his behalf as the law of universe (you can choose to believe its created by God) works greater beyond anyone's comprehension and all will be paid.

wish you a good fasting month.

[adbasque]

That's what I said. Do you ever bother to read and understand what others say? Because your replys are pure ASS talk. Go ahead read my reply again and see how dumb your responses are.


It is not what you said, No don't try and wiggle you're way out of this.
here is what you said:


That's what Many Muslims believe. Your Muslim friend scooby said Christians and Muslims will join forces to defeat the Satanic Dajjal system (the evil white westerners and the Satanic Jews)


Meaning what Muslims believe not what you believe.
Which means you don't know the difference between Dajal, Dajal system, Imam Al Mahdi and Issa.




Bollox, even Islamic sources state otherwise.

Well of course you'd say that everytime you're confronted with real information, which shreds your disinfo to pieces.

btw: what I said about Aisha (RAA) was from her own words, after she became a scholar and explained her own relationship and how she got married to him.

[adbasque]

i read your other thread too and there is a better way to show people what good in Islam than bashing everything and everyone and ridicule them of the fact that they do not know much on your religion, after all it is not theirs..

to be a listener, understand what and why it is said, and explain based on your good knowledge instead of challenging everybody with a wielded sword (and a sharp one at that).

this is how to get buy-in and fruitful dialogue. To all religion, God does not need anyone to defend on his behalf as the law of universe (you can choose to believe its created by God) works greater beyond anyone's comprehension and all will be paid.

wish you a good fasting month.

I never used a wielded sword when I know people are showing a genuine interest, we have tried to show these people step by step, in some cases we even went into details, pages of knowledge, but when you realise somebody's true agenda, these guys have no interest in the truth.

I don't think you've read all of my posts sorry, if you take the time to read through them, you will see who started to be hostile, with packs of lies.

Let's take look at how these guys behave, right?

They don't know my religion better than I do, right?
They bring something, we show them two things, either the information is false never happened or was twisted, and how it's been twisted.

We give them the correct piece of information, we show them where they got their information is nothing but a website ran by people who want to divide us as human beings, come on, if you checked all the posts and the other threads you'll see who's attacking whom.

When you bring a piece of information concerning Islam, I look at it and I show you that it's wrong, witht the right information, what would you do?

When I show you that the website or the source you're quoting from is an anti muslim website ran by a Zionist group of people, would you still go back and quote some more from it?

which shows that they are not in anyway interested in the truth, they simply like to attack, insult, I did not insult anyone at first.

They started to be disrespectful to me, my faith, my religion, the Prophet and all Muslims wherever they are and so on.. with lies and they know they are lies.

Well It's not worth having any form of debate anymore.
Thanks Although Ramdhan is in another 10 days lol
Cheers!

[mightyoak]

The Prophet asked her hand when she walked and went straight back out to play, he then decided she was still too young, until few years later, her mother brought her in to ask he opinion about marriage, she agreed.

She didn't move in with the Prophet (PEACE BE UPON HIM) until she was old enough and when she moved in, he gave her all the time she ever needed.

They consumated the marriage she was nearly 18.
He never ever touched her when she was 9, not even 16.

When he died, he died on her laps, they absolutely loved each other like crazy, he loved her to pieces.

His first wife he never remarried until she passed away.

He was NOT a paedophile, and sick people who have no respect for a man who's not alive to defend himself, character assasination, insult to all Muslims and Islam.

Get your facts right and stop talking about something which you have no knowledge, none whatsoever.

Sorry

The Tarikh of Abu JaJa'far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari

Tabari (838-923AD), wrote the most authentic Islamic history. It covers 39 volumes. Tabari was one of the greatest Islamic scholars and the greatest Islamic Historian.

From Tabari, volume 7, page7:

"....my marriage (to Muhammad) was consummated when I was nine....."

From Tabari, volume 9, page 131

"Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of Allah consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me"......(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died.

As its already been pointed out Aisha after the death of mo wrote her own memoirs. Stating the facts as she recalls them I,M sure someone can find the account as i cant be bothered to be honest. Muslims seem to move the goalpost on this matter Some state she was now 14/16 yrs Others Have stated she was in-fact 18 yrs old Now it seems there is a discrepancy amongst themselves. But the truth will always be the truth .......

BTW This thread as moved way again from the main debate Which really is about the mass exodus off muslims into western europe. Which in my book is not acceptable, until everyone is fully aware off Islams darkerside

[adbasque]

The Tarikh of Abu JaJa'far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari

Tabari (838-923AD), wrote the most authentic Islamic history. It covers 39 volumes. Tabari was one of the greatest Islamic scholars and the greatest Islamic Historian.

From Tabari, volume 7, page7:

"....my marriage (to Muhammad) was consummated when I was nine....."

From Tabari, volume 9, page 131

"Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of Allah consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me"......(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died.

As its already been pointed out Aisha after the death of mo wrote her own memoirs. Stating the facts as she recalls them I,M sure someone can find the account as i cant be bothered to be honest. Muslims seem to move the goalpost on this matter Some state she was now 14/16 yrs Others Have stated she was in-fact 18 yrs old Now it seems there is a discrepancy amongst themselves. But the truth will always be the truth .......

BTW This thread as moved way again from the main debate Which really is about the mass exodus off muslims into western europe. Which in my book is not acceptable, until everyone is fully aware off Islams darkerside


Thanks for the info, but look who taught him please :)

Muhammad ibn Humayd al-Razi already in his seventies [12]. Ibn Humayd had taught in Baghdad and was now retired in his native city. Among other material, ibn Humayd taught Jarir Tabari the historical works of ibn Ishaq, especially al-Sirah, his life of Muhammad [13]. Tabari was thus introduced in youth to pre-Islamic and early Islamic history. Tabari quotes ibn Humayd frequently. Beyond the names of at least two of them, we know little about Tabari's other teachers in Rayy [12].

I hope that helps, Peace :)

[mightyoak]

I hope that helps, Peace :)

Not really but thanks anyway Any evidence other than that off an islamic nature. To verify the age off Aisha....

And again this thread as turned into the normal muslim v infedel bullshite. That is not the topic under discussion for once Or so i thought .

[eternal_spirit]

We are in Dajal's system right now, if you only have two brain cell that you can rub together to get some sparks in that dormant organ of yours, you call brains

That's what I said (it's MUSLIM belief not mine)


Who the hell is the Mullah? I never heard of him, do you think any idiot who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim? lol"Mullah (Persian: ملا) is a Muslim man, educated in Islamic theology and sacred law. The title, given to some Islamic clergy, is derived from the Arabic word ..


You wish lol, I tell you what you have proved so far, you have proved that you lack of a lot of intelligence, and general knowledge too.


Do want me to post them for people to see who's twisted and twisting facts? Tell me do you want me to post, because I will and make them as large for everyone here to see what you really are and how you try to twist facts and constantly lie???

Go on be brave and say yes and I will post them, Lol




:D
Go and educate yourself please do us all a favour go and educate yourself, I will tell you why, because you're really lowering the level here on this forum.

Who the hell is the Mullah? I never heard of him, do you think any idiot who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim? lol
Tell me do you like being humiliated in public? how many times do we have to show you that you're a full time ignorant?

To that picture it doesn't mean anything at all, certain cultures do kiss you especially middle eastern people, they are warm people.

Not as cold as you are.
But that doesn't mean this Mullah is genuine, for all we know he is a drug pusher who knows.

So anyone with a beard and a turbin is a Muslim? :D
We have explained to you that there are sects that call themselves Muslims and they are not.
They are not following anything Islam stands for.

Learn ES learn it's important, otherwise you will be ridiculed and publicly humiliated.
Go ahead make my day lolMore lies and disinfo from Jihad boy.

About the Islamic Mullah
I proved that Islam allows peadophilia and produced quotes from your relgious texts and pics of peadophile Muslim Mullahs kissing little boys - to prove it's real http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=161 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1184928&postcount=161) (that's good evidence) and factual. Therefore is the will of Mohammed.

[eternal_spirit]

Not really but thanks anyway Any evidence other than that off an islamic nature. To verify the age off Aisha....

And again this thread as turned into the normal muslim v infedel bullshite. That is not the topic under discussion for once Or so i thought .

The Isamic trolls lie about what Islam is about (it's religious instruction for them to tell lies to kaffirs)
PS here's an Islamic source

The Appropriate Age for Marriage
Question: What is the appropriate age for men and women to marry? Some of the young ladies of today do not accept to be married to men older than them and also some of the men do not get married from anyone older than them either. We hope for a response, may Allah reward you.

Response: I advise the young ladies not to refuse a man because of his older age. Even if he be ten, twenty or thirty years older, this is not a valid excuse. The Prophet (peace be upon him) married Aisha when he was fifty-three years old and she was nine years old. Older age is not harmful. There is no problem if the woman is older than the man and there is no problem if the man is older than the woman. The Prophet (peace be upon him) married Khadijah when she was forty years old and he was twenty-five years old, before he received his first revelation. That is, she was fifteen years older than him (may Allah be pleased with her). And Aisha was married when she was a young lady of six or seven years and the Prophet (peace be upon him) consummated the marriage when she was nine years old and he was fifty-three years old.

http://web.archive.org/web/200502051...riage.html#age (http://web.archive.org/web/20050205151045/www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/fatawawom/marriage.html#age)

BTW consumated for those who don't know means to have sex.
There's obviously differing opinions about Aisha's age.
Now you know why child brides are common in Islamic countries. They are following what Mohammed done

[adbasque]

"Mullah (Persian: ملا) is a Muslim man, educated in Islamic theology and sacred law. The title, given to some Islamic clergy, is derived from the Arabic word ..
I didn't ask you to explain to me what is a Mullah, thank you very much
As far as Islam is concerned you can't teach me anything, absolutely nothing.


All you're doing is derail threads and post piles of crap.
You can never, truely busted? that's more than a wishful thinking :D
You busted my arguments? when was that?
Every word you ever posted was successfully refuted with solid evidence, you go around the circle and bring back the same old shit.



About the Islamic Mullah
I proved that Islam allows peadophilia and produced quotes from your relgious texts and pics of peadophile Muslim Mullahs kissing little boys - to prove it's real http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=161 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1184928&postcount=161) (that's good evidence) and factual. Therefore is the will of Mohammed.

You have never read never proved anything, even people who don't like religion have all told you, you're a shill, is it my imagination? Or do you want me to compile them all and post to prove to you, that everyone sees you as you really are? You know I will do it, even if it takes me a whole day lol

:D

[mightyoak]

Due to the Other thread on this subject, turning into a free for all regarding Islamic rights n wrongs And as I could be classed as Infidel by the religion off peace, ((funny that really because NO religion are peaceful NONE)) I'm concerned for my cultural heritage Is that so wrong ? Everyone trys to protect there own.
I will never conform to backward and overpowering religious doctrines WHATEVER Christianity as been virtually eradicated as a force in Britain Altho our laws are based upon it So why the hell would i ever concieve to be bullied into a way off life that immigrants bring and their Gods law is flawed.
I have a free will and opinions Peace, manners and Goodwill does not come from God, it comes from within the soul.....

The world i was born into is being systematically upturned by a political intent that can only bring about turmoil by mass immigrations worldwide as bitterness resentments prevail amongst all the manipulated sheep.

Please watch the video

Muslim Demographics - YouTube

[pinkfreud]

this thread will be closed till you'll calm down and stop instigating one another.

please be civil from hereon.



edit: this thread has been reopened with a merged post (back on topic) by mightyoak.

for the last time, this is not a thread where you'll indulge in mud slinging and resort to childish name calling and the like by putting down/supporting religious beliefs. save that for the religion sub forum.

again, kindly stick to the thread topic. any argumentative, provocative and off topic posts will be dealt with by the mods, and none of us would want that would we?

[macdon]

Actually is we look closely, Christianity lead crusades and slaughtered, committed real genocides especially in the south American continent, as we are not bigots I will not accuse Christianity, I accuse the people who used Christianity as a pretext.

Look at islam for instance, let's take some parts of the world, and see these crusades, shall we?
The only crusades were by the Ottoman empire against another tyranic empire the Byzantine.
Where are the Islamic crusades?
I want people here like Picha and ES to show me these so called crusades?
India? most Muslims in India are Indians, so where are the so called Arabs invading India, what happened to them?

North Africa? 98% of North Africans are Berberes, where are the Arabs they invaded North Africa? the other 2% are Europeans, Turkish, and Arabs.

Turkey? They are indegenious Turkish, where the Arabs in Turkey?
We have proved them historically that Islam did not invade, the only wars were when they were attacked.

And it carried on until 1918.

Islam has been attacking Europe since its inception in 622AD. The Byzantines fought it for 800 years before falling to the Muslim Turk in 1453. What did Islam do for conquered European lands? Nothing. It destroyed the great Byzantine civilisation and culture and sent Europe hurtling to a new Dark Ages. It was Byzantine learning that stimulated the Renaissance in western Europe. Just imagine Europe's achievement if Greece and eastern Europe were not under the yoke of murderous Islam. Go to eastern Europe and see how fond they are of Islam, not!

Now Islamic hordes are being forced into European lands by their co-racialists, the Jews, to genetically destroy Europe. Islam is waging genetic warfare with Europe.

Muslims need to leave Europe and leave us in peace. Go to Palestine or somewhere like that.

[adbasque]

Islam has been attacking Europe since its inception in 622AD. The Byzantines fought it for 800 years before falling to the Muslim Turk in 1453. What did Islam do for conquered European lands? Nothing. It destroyed the great Byzantine civilisation and culture and sent Europe hurtling to a new Dark Ages. It was Byzantine learning that stimulated the Renaissance in western Europe. Just imagine Europe's achievement if Greece and eastern Europe were not under the yoke of murderous Islam. Go to eastern Europe and see how fond they are of Islam, not!

Now Islamic hordes are being forced into European lands by their co-racialists, the Jews, to genetically destroy Europe. Islam is waging genetic warfare with Europe.

Muslims need to leave Europe and leave us in peace. Go to Palestine or somewhere like that.

Please before you make any assumption, try and read Professor Thomas Walker Arnold's books he will explain, and you will see that none of what you just stated is accurate.

He is not a Muslim, I hope you can see things from a different angle.
By the way he is one of many.

Byzantine great Civilisation? are you serious?


‘When the Muslim army reached the valley of the Jordan and Abu Ubaydah pitched his camp at Fihl, the Christian inhabitants of the country wrote to the Arabs, saying: “O Muslims, we prefer you to the Byzantines, though they are of our own faith, because you keep better faith with us and are more merciful to us and refrain from doing us injustice and your rule over us is better than theirs, for they have robbed us of our goods and our homes.” The people of Emessa closed the gates of their city against the army of Heraclius and told the Muslims that they preferred their government and justice to the injustice and oppression of the Greeks…The fear of religious compulsion on the part of the heretical emperor made the promise of Muslim toleration appear more attractive than the connection with the Roman Empire and a Christian government…

:) I hope that sheds some lights

[adbasque]

Spain liberated from the Visigothic tyranny:

Muslims landed in Spain in 711 CE and many sources testify that they were welcomed by the population, as their reputation preceded them. This was due to the severe persecution afflicted upon certain communities by the Visigothic Kings. Under these kings’ rule (following their conversion to Catholicism from Arianism), the Jewish community, in particular, was severely oppressed. The Catholic hierarchy in Spain held many ecumenical councils to solve political and religious disputes and in these councils (many held in Toledo), severe edicts were issued against the Jews of Spain. One of the clauses in the text of the proceedings of the 4th Council of Toledo (633 CE) states

More to follow :)

[mightyoak]

It took the Christians of Spain 800 years to recover their country in the bloody and relentless campaign known as the Reconquista, completed only with the fall of Granada in 1492. During those centuries, along with such atrocities as salting dissidents’ decapitated heads as trophies for the Caliph, the Mediterranean populations were dragged in their hundreds of thousands to the slave markets of North Africa. Any apologies on offer?

[eternal_spirit]

More to follow :)
Only the Muslims here will believe your lies about your slanted false versions of History.

[eternal_spirit]

The cult of domination

Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, 9:39 (http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.039), "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6473) that. I'm going to do it through education." - Ibrahim Hooper CAIR Spokesman. "Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32341), keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."- Omar AhmadCo-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

[adbasque]

It took the Christians of Spain 800 years to recover their country in the bloody and relentless campaign known as the Reconquista, completed only with the fall of Granada in 1492. During those centuries, along with such atrocities as salting dissidents’ decapitated heads as trophies for the Caliph, the Mediterranean populations were dragged in their hundreds of thousands to the slave markets of North Africa. Any apologies on offer?

No Apologies, but facts, North Africa also known as Numedia, has embraced Islam accepted it, over a 100 Arabs setteled during the reign of the Queen Kaheena or Kahina, the population of North Africa consists of 98% Berberes.

They were never enslaved or invaded until France invaded them in 1832, what you quoted above is a fabrication, I know the history of North Africa inside out, I lived in those countries, I had acces to other versions of history, that predates these new versions, as they are trying to hide every truth.

I suggest you check out your sources, and see if you can find other reliable sources, I know this a pure fabrication, some stuff as usual taken completely out of context.

Especially now, 50% of our history has been changed, if not more.
altered depending on what the Elite want.
Look into Numedia (Modern North Africa) the Kingdom of Amazigh, Berberes and you will see what you can find.

Before Kaheena there were other Kings such as Massinissa, Jugurta, and so on.

The Queen of the Berberes was a very clever intelligent women, she allowed 100 scholars into the country to teach Islam, It was never invaded.

Until the Ottoman Empire was created.
You're quoting one side of the history, what don't you bring the whole history, when the Byzantine lived in harmony with the Muslims, they even did business together?

[eternal_spirit]

Offensive Jihad, Futuhat and Islamic Conquests

quotes from islamic websites
(note: some of the url's may have become inoperative; updates/new url's will be given here when found)

mirrored at: http://islamdebatingkit.ezfish.net/jihad.html


From:
The Types of Jihad
http://www.ummah.net.pk/harkat/jihad/t-jihad.htm
(site is offline, but here's the google-cache of the article)

For easier reading link - http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

[mightyoak]

QUEEN KAHINA
She fought against the Arab incursion in North Africa where
under her leadership Africans fought back fiercely and drove the Arab army northward into Tripolitania. Queen Kahina was of the Hebrew faith and she never abandoned her religion. Her opposition to the Arab incursion was purely nationalistic, since she favored neither Christians nor Moslems. Her death in 705 A.D by Hassen-ben-Numam ended one of the most violet attempts to save Africa for the Africans. She prevented Islam''s southward spread into the Western Sudan. After her death the Arabs began to change their strategy in advancing their faith and their power in Africa. The resistance to the southward spread of Islam was so great in some areas that some of the wives of African kings committed suicide to avoid falling into the hands of the Berbers and Arabs who showed no mercy to the people who would not be converted to Islam

Hardly endearing is it ? The slaves who lived by all accounts where given there freedom if they converted

[mightyoak]

Only the Muslims here will believe your lies about your slanted false versions of History.


IF only that was true ES Sadly i believe there are those still unaware off the past dark side of islam.... And takeyya for jihad.

[adbasque]

QUEEN KAHINA
She fought against the Arab incursion in North Africa where
under her leadership Africans fought back fiercely and drove the Arab army northward into Tripolitania. Queen Kahina was of the Hebrew faith and she never abandoned her religion. Her opposition to the Arab incursion was purely nationalistic, since she favored neither Christians nor Moslems. Her death in 705 A.D by Hassen-ben-Numam ended one of the most violet attempts to save Africa for the Africans. She prevented Islam''s southward spread into the Western Sudan. After her death the Arabs began to change their strategy in advancing their faith and their power in Africa. The resistance to the southward spread of Islam was so great in some areas that some of the wives of African kings committed suicide to avoid falling into the hands of the Berbers and Arabs who showed no mercy to the people who would not be converted to Islam

Hardly endearing is it ? The slaves who lived by all accounts where given there freedom if they converted

I was the first here to mention about the Queen Kahina, and her predecessors, Massinissa, Jugurta etc.., which means I know the real history from first hand, I lived in Algiers travelled across the country, there are some berberes who have re-written the history of that land.

The first attempt by the Arabs not Muslims, to try and invade Numedia, the quoted piece of history mentioned above has been mixed together, it happened in two seperate occasions, she did fight the Arabs.

But it was not the same people who brough Islam, she was herself not Jewish she allowed Judaism, Christianity and later Islam.

I have seen with my own eyes, evidence written in caves in places like.
Ghardaia, Constantine, Jijel, Tipaza, these are ancient ruins where the Berbere culture still alive, written on stones even.

So who ever wrote that piece of history he is either misinformed or lied.

Two seperate attempts, when the Arab fleets were approaching she deployed her great Army, she ordered that her crops across the kingdom to be buried underground, after what was left she burnt everything on the surface, she made sure the invaders won't find anything.

Towards the end of her life, the people she thought were Arabs, came again but in a very small numbers, she then accepted around 100 of their best scholars to remain in the country and teach Islam, then a lot of people converted to Islam.

Her kingdom stretches from Lybia, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Mali, Chad, Niger, Mauritania, she did fight the African kings coming from the south.

You don't believe me take a trip to Algeria and have a look there, pieces of evidence are still there.

Don't confuse the first attempt by the Arabs and the second peaceful welcome of the Muslims, she only accepted a small number of them to enter the country and remained there until their deaths.

They married and helped to spread Islam, with very peaceful means.

I will try and see if I can find the original books and present some evidence here, I don't know when, but I will try.

Don't confuse the Arabs and the Muslims, that's where most people usually confuse the two.

[bendoon]

I noticed Adbasque completely ignored mightyoaks question about Muslim rule in Spain and carefully sidetracked his answer onto North Africa.

[eternal_spirit]

I noticed Adbasque completely ignored mightyoaks question about Muslim rule in Spain and carefully sidetracked his answer onto North Africa.
The true history and invasions are ALL covered in my link http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1188974&postcount=199
if anyone can be bothered to do a keyword search for Africa and Spain that's your shortcut to finding the truth.

[bendoon]

The British Empire has a bad rep but they were big softies compared to the Muslims.

[adbasque]

I noticed Adbasque completely ignored mightyoaks question about Muslim rule in Spain and carefully sidetracked his answer onto North Africa.

What did I side track? The muslims took what was Byzantine Empire, do you know under what conditions people were living under the Byzantine regime?
Do you have any idea?

They took the empire and not just Spain, Byzantine was basically new Rome,

People lived in appalling conditions, land was taken from them, food, taxes and so on, people under the byzantine rule, welcomed Islam.

I am not side tracking anything.
The Christians invaded every corner of the world, they killed they massacred, they wiped, but they still called themselves Christians, were they???

I don't think so.
Under Islamic rule people did not pay taxes, and people don't pay taxes under Islamic rules, you can look it up, people like they are today they were sqeezed to the last drop of blood, by the greedy Elite, Rome and so on.

I can give more details here, but I am not going to, because I don't give history lessons.

I just wanted to prove that the piece of History was wrong, I quoted about North Africa to explain, how it really happened.

Spain was not in the hands of Christians, look it up.
I am not evasive, like most of you here jumping from one thing to the other.

[adbasque]

I noticed Adbasque completely ignored mightyoaks question about Muslim rule in Spain and carefully sidetracked his answer onto North Africa.

Nice try bendoon but I am not like you, sorry
First he claims Spain was Christian, well when the Muslims took it, it wasn't Christian, it had Christians and Jews living there, but the country was not an independant country, it was taken away from another power.

[mightyoak]

Nice try bendoon but I am not like you, sorry
First he claims Spain was Christian, well when the Muslims took it, it wasn't Christian, it had Christians and Jews living there, but the country was not an independant country, it was taken away from another power.

History of the Iberian peninsula is delicate But to state that It was not Christian by the time the muslims invaded is an out n out lie
In the third century AD Christianity still a relatively new concept of religion was brought by the Romans and became accepted by the Iberian ruling tribes. Between the third and seventh century as Roman imperial power waned There were series off invasions off the peninsula by various Germanic tribes, which culminated in the Visigoths becoming the dominant power, They were also indoctrinated into the Christian teachings. Visigoths ruled up until the invasion off of the muslim in 711 Christians however held out in small enclaves in the north of the country in the Asturian mountains Those Christians that wasn't fortunate enough to escape were treated with contempt and brutally treated. There only escape was to convert and submit to allah's will, many did out off shear fear for there lives.(coming to be known as muladíes or Muwallads)

As seems to be the norm throughout the muslim dominated territories. The Iberian caliphate after a time off relative peace n harmoney collapsed into a brutal civil war around 929 As various sects fall out and splits into dozens off taifas( small kingdoms) The Almoravids and Almohads dominated both fanatical n radicalised, rule the muslim lands with a rod off iron (much like the taliban off afganistan)

[nihil]

Hi guyz. To me the real demographic bomb is India . 50% indians are under 25 .

Bow down to Shiva, ol' West ;]

[process]

:p

[adbasque]

History of the Iberian peninsula is delicate But to state that It was not Christian by the time the muslims invaded is an out n out lie



No I am afraid it's not a lie, The Muslims did not take it from the Christians, remember there were Christians and Jews living there, but that doesn't mean the country was Christian.



Hispania was the Latin name given to the whole Iberian peninsula (covering the territories of present day Spain and Portugal), and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire (476 AD) the Teutonic tribe of Visigoths ended up ruling the whole peninsula until the Islamic conquest (during that time they pushed another Teutonic tribe out—the Vandals -- and conquered another one—the Suevi). It is frequently stated in historical sources that Spain was one of the former Roman provinces where the Latin language and culture grew deep roots.

After the fall of the Empire the Visigoths continued the tradition by becoming probably the most Romanized of all Teutonic tribes.



On April 30 of 711, Berber leader Tariq ibn-Ziyad landed at Gibraltar and by the end of the campaign most of the Iberian Peninsula (except for small areas in the north-west such as Asturias and the Basque territory) were brought under Islamic rule.

This campaign's turning point was the battle of Guadalete, where the last Visigothic king Roderick was defeated and killed on the battlefield. After this eight year campaign, Muslim forces attempted to move north-east across the Pyrenees Mountains toward France, but were defeated by the Frankish Catholic Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours in 732.


It is commonly held that the relative ease that the Arab/Berber armies conquered the Iberian peninsula with was due to the centralized nature of government under the rule of the Visigoths.

After the defeat of Roderick, the Visigoth dominion over the Iberian peninsula folded and fell apart from the Northern coast of Spain, and the province of Septimania (an area of France going from the Pyrenees to Provence), all areas previously under the rule of the Visigoths were under Islamic rule.


I hope that helps a bit.
It was not Christian, a lot of people assumed it was, but it wasn't.


The majority of the Army as well as commander Tariq himself were not Arab but actually Islamic Berbers, and in time Islamic migrants from places as diverse as North Africa to Yemen and Syria would come to live in the Iberian peninsula. The Islamic rulers called the Iberian peninsula "Al-Andalus," which some say means "Paradise." That was the root for the name of the present-day region of Andalucia, the southernmost region of Spain and Portugal.

That's why now, we call it Gibraltar, Djebel Tarik, the mount (Rock) of Tarik Ibn Ziyad.

At the time Rome tried to take over the entire of North Africa, but failed.
Strong resistance, even before Islam came to North Africa.

[adbasque]

:p

Did you eat some hot chillies is that why you're sticking your tongue out? lol

[process]

Did you eat some hot chillies is that why you're sticking your tongue out? lol


Yes, exactly...:-)

nice to hear from again Ad...:-)

[macdon]

Please before you make any assumption, try and read Professor Thomas Walker Arnold's books he will explain, and you will see that none of what you just stated is accurate.

He is not a Muslim, I hope you can see things from a different angle.
By the way he is one of many.

Byzantine great Civilisation? are you serious?

Byzantium was a truly great civilisation and if it committed any depravations upon its subjects it was due to the constant pressure of fighting Muslims since their inception in 622AD. Your history is biased towards Islam. Greece today is only 10 million people, always having a small population. The only way to fight hordes of Muslims today numbering hundreds of millions, is to tax people.

It was Byzantium elites fleeing to the west, mainly Italy, that were the catalyst of the Renaissance. All Muslims ever did is steal. For example, algebra is a Greek invention, but the Arabs gave it a name and called it their own and so on and so on. All because they translated the Greek works.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa50
"The tradition of Babylonian algebra is revived by the Greeks in Alexandria, where Diophantus writes a treatise called Arithmetica in about AD 200; he uses a special sign for minus, and adopts the letter s for the unknown quantity. Greek algebra in its turn spreads to India, China and Japan. But it achieves its widest influence through the Arabic transmission of Greek culture."


What did I side track? The muslims took what was Byzantine Empire, do you know under what conditions people were living under the Byzantine regime?
Do you have any idea?

They took the empire and not just Spain, Byzantine was basically new Rome,

People lived in appalling conditions, land was taken from them, food, taxes and so on, people under the byzantine rule, welcomed Islam.

I am not side tracking anything.
The Christians invaded every corner of the world, they killed they massacred, they wiped, but they still called themselves Christians, were they???

So what? Christians invaded and civilised. Look at the places Christians went. Hong Kong, compare that to China. South Africa, compare that to non-white Africa.

If you're saying that you Muslims can invade our lands due to our Satanic elite wishing to dumb our race and genetics down, then it should be alright for Christians to invade Afghanistan, Iran, Iran and any other Muslim nation they see fit.

[kanz]

I don't want to sound racist but ...

LOL love when people say that :P

[kanz]

Britain (and EU?) will soon round up their Muslim citizens like Germany rounded up the Jews 70 years ago.

Not a chance, you can say alot of things about muslims , but i doubt they would take that lieing down. I suppose such a move would get them martial law.

[kanz]

They'd only have to come to this forum to get recruits to drop the Zyklon B.

Lol , your comments where prob made out of more fun than anything else, but please be reasured there aint no "nazi's" on this forum. Ive met some people you would consider "nazi's" and no one ive seen on these forums comes close to these people.

[adbasque]

Byzantium was a truly great civilisation and if it committed any depravations upon its subjects it was due to the constant pressure of fighting Muslims since their inception in 622AD. Your history is biased towards Islam. Greece today is only 10 million people, always having a small population. The only way to fight hordes of Muslims today numbering hundreds of millions, is to tax people.

Byzantine empire, was not all that good, if you lived in that time you'd know what life was like.
It was not a great civilisation, what you've been fed is a total lie.
Byzantine was nothing but a small version of Rome, check your history before saying stupid things, I gave you facts, you're making things that suits your view.


It was Byzantium elites fleeing to the west, mainly Italy, that were the catalyst of the Renaissance. All Muslims ever did is steal. For example, algebra is a Greek invention, but the Arabs gave it a name and called it their own and so on and so on. All because they translated the Greek works.


You're either a total ignorant or you're a big liar, and by doing so you're making yourself look like a fool :D they stole algebra?

The word "algebra" is named after the Arabic word "al-jabr" from the title of the book [al-Kitāb al-muḫtaṣar fī ḥisāb al-ğabr wa-l-muqābala' , (The book of Summary Concerning Calculating by Transposition and Reduction), a book written by the Muslim mathematician, Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī in 820. The word Al-Jabr means "reunion. In fact, many ancient civilizations developed some sort of algebraic methods of solving problems, as far back as the Babylonians, Diophantus of Alexandria and the Indian mathematicians such as Brahmagupta, but al-Khwarizmi is considered by many to be the "father of algebra" because some of his techniques on solving quadratic equations are still in use today. He was the first to solve equations using general methods. He solved the linear indeterminate equations, quadratic equations, second order indeterminate equations and equations with multiple variable.
Who do you think the Babylonian were? Westerners?



http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa50
"The tradition of Babylonian algebra is revived by the Greeks in Alexandria, where Diophantus writes a treatise called Arithmetica in about AD 200; he uses a special sign for minus, and adopts the letter s for the unknown quantity. Greek algebra in its turn spreads to India, China and Japan. But it achieves its widest influence through the Arabic transmission of Greek culture."

What the Greeks developped after taken from the Egyptians, was Geometry not algebra.
Do you know the difference between Algebra, Arithmetic and Geometry?




So what? Christians invaded and civilised. Look at the places Christians went. Hong Kong, compare that to China. South Africa, compare that to non-white Africa.
Compare what with what?


If you're saying that you Muslims can invade our lands due to our Satanic elite wishing to dumb our race and genetics down, then it should be alright for Christians to invade Afghanistan, Iran, Iran and any other Muslim nation they see fit.

Which land is that, and which Muslims that said we can invade "Your" land?
Another ignorant troll I presume?
No your Satanic elite invaded Muslim nations, and now because of people like you (Morons) they are trying to get rid of you and the Muslims that you hate so much, I take it you side with your satanic masters?

No need to answer it, I already know what you are.

Now, talk to someone else, I am ignoring trolls and shills, look at my avatar.

Go and get some education first you'll need it.

[macdon]

Byzantine empire, was not all that good, if you lived in that time you'd know what life was like.
It was not a great civilisation, what you've been fed is a total lie.
Byzantine was nothing but a small version of Rome, check your history before saying stupid things, I gave you facts, you're making things that suits your view.

Not a great civilisation??? They fought off Muslim hordes for over 800 years and used innovative technology like Greek Fire to defend Christendom from Islamic jihad. What does "jihad" actually mean? Byzantium also defeated the Huns and the Mongols before falling to the Muslim Turks thus setting Europe back centuries.


You're either a total ignorant or you're a big liar, and by doing so you're making yourself look like a fool :D they stole algebra?

Who do you think the Babylonian were? Westerners?

They certainly weren't Muslims.


What the Greeks developped after taken from the Egyptians, was Geometry not algebra. Do you know the difference between Algebra, Arithmetic and Geometry?

They also developed algebra, beating Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī by almost a millennia.

Anyway, the topic under discussion is the Muslim Demographic Timebomb.

[adbasque]

Not a great civilisation??? They fought off Muslim hordes for over 800 years and used innovative technology like Greek Fire to defend Christendom from Islamic jihad. What does "jihad" actually mean? Byzantium also defeated the Huns and the Mongols before falling to the Muslim Turks thus setting Europe back centuries.

They were NOT Christians, they were Romans and pagans, they had Christian community and Jewish community living there and they were persecuted, classed as second citizens, because of their beliefs.

Get a grip mate, you're talking absolute nonsense, they had a civilisation, but as human rights go, they were heavy handed on the minorities Roman style.




They certainly weren't Muslims.

I never said they were, but you talk about the Babylonian as if they were your cousins, they were miles away from Europe.


They also developed algebra, beating Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī by almost a millennia.

Again they did not develop Algebra, Algebra is the name given to it by Al-khawarizmi, how can they call it Algebra, while he named it?
You're talking nonsense again.
What was it called then?
Look it's not me saying this, people who are in the field and hisotrians, who said that.
Like all the other sciences developed and invented by the Muslims, that you never heard of, I wonder why?
Until recently, they started discovering people like Ibnu Sina, and hundreds other Muslim scientists, you still maitain those backward views about the Muslims and the Islamic civilisation.
:D you're funny because you're a real ignorant, Europe was living in the dark ages, when Muslims in the 8 and 9th century were treating diseases, like the Hospitals, who invented the modern hospitals? With wards?
Who was the first ever to perform an eye operation, more that 75% of them successful

I am telling you, you are ignorant of what is Islam or Islamic civilisation, and history.


Anyway, the topic under discussion is the Muslim Demographic Timebomb.
Yes the topic is about demographic timebomb.

Jihad has several meanings, it means a struggle, it means fight, depends where it is put, and anyone who writes articles using the word Jihad, is a liar and a cheat,

People who lived under the Byzantine regime, were sending message out to the Muslims, most of them were Christians and Jews, some poor pagans too.

There are testimonies of hundreds of letters were written out.

The Byzantine empire was controlled by the Roman Empire.

Look it up, don't take my word for it, I have nothing to gain either way.

You're either deliberately lying or you're completely misinformed.

Now let's go back to the topic:
We don't want to derail this thread.

[picha]

They were NOT Christians, they were Romans and pagans, they had Christian community and Jewish community living there and they were persecuted, classed as second citizens, because of their beliefs.

Get a grip mate, you're talking absolute nonsense, they had a civilisation, but as human rights go, they were heavy handed on the minorities Roman style.




I never said they were, but you talk about the Babylonian as if they were your cousins, they were miles away from Europe.



Again they did not develop Algebra, Algebra is the name given to it by Al-khawarizmi, how can they call it Algebra, while he named it?
You're talking nonsense again.
What was it called then?
Look it's not me saying this, people who are in the field and hisotrians, who said that.
Like all the other sciences developed and invented by the Muslims, that you never heard of, I wonder why?
Until recently, they started discovering people like Ibnu Sina, and hundreds other Muslim scientists, you still maitain those backward views about the Muslims and the Islamic civilisation.
:D you're funny because you're a real ignorant, Europe was living in the dark ages, when Muslims in the 8 and 9th century were treating diseases, like the Hospitals, who invented the modern hospitals? With wards?
Who was the first ever to perform an eye operation, more that 75% of them successful

I am telling you, you are ignorant of what is Islam or Islamic civilisation, and history.


Yes the topic is about demographic timebomb.

Jihad has several meanings, it means a struggle, it means fight, depends where it is put, and anyone who writes articles using the word Jihad, is a liar and a cheat,

People who lived under the Byzantine regime, were sending message out to the Muslims, most of them were Christians and Jews, some poor pagans too.

There are testimonies of hundreds of letters were written out.

The Byzantine empire was controlled by the Roman Empire.

Look it up, don't take my word for it, I have nothing to gain either way.

You're either deliberately lying or you're completely misinformed.

Now let's go back to the topic:
We don't want to derail this thread.

Did they use that fly wing medicine in islamic hospitals?

[adbasque]

Did they use that fly wing medicine in islamic hospitals?

I thought you ignore my posts? :rolleyes:

[picha]

I thought you ignore my posts? :rolleyes:

I occasionaly take pity on you and try to dignify what you write with some sort of an answer.

[macdon]

They were NOT Christians, they were Romans and pagans, they had Christian community and Jewish community living there and they were persecuted, classed as second citizens, because of their beliefs.

Get a grip mate, you're talking absolute nonsense, they had a civilisation, but as human rights go, they were heavy handed on the minorities Roman style.

You get a grip and stop getting personal and cyber-violent. What do I care about how Byzantium treated enemy minorities?


Again they did not develop Algebra, Algebra is the name given to it by Al-khawarizmi, how can they call it Algebra, while he named it?
You're talking nonsense again.
What was it called then?
Look it's not me saying this, people who are in the field and hisotrians, who said that.
Like all the other sciences developed and invented by the Muslims, that you never heard of, I wonder why?
Until recently, they started discovering people like Ibnu Sina, and hundreds other Muslim scientists, you still maitain those backward views about the Muslims and the Islamic civilisation.

At least the western Europeans of the Renaissance that rediscovered Greek learning and texts gave credit where credit is due and did not rename and plagiarise in wholesale fashion.

The "father of algebra" was a Greek Diophantus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Diophantus of Alexandria (Greek: Διόφαντος ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς. b. between 200 and 214 CE, d. between 284 and 298 CE), sometimes called "the father of algebra" (a title some[1] claim should be shared by Persian[2] Islamic mathematicianal-Khwārizmī, born some 500 years after Diophantus), was an Alexandrianmathematician and the author of a series of books called Arithmetica. These texts deal with solving algebraic equations, many of which are now lost."

And please do not claim Persians as Iranian Muslims. Persians were an Aryan race of people that were Zoroastrians and were destroyed utterly by the Muslims, many of them fleeing to places like India. Also, what language does Egypt speak today? Arabic? Another great civilisation destroyed by Islam.


:D you're funny because you're a real ignorant, Europe was living in the dark ages, when Muslims in the 8 and 9th century were treating diseases, like the Hospitals, who invented the modern hospitals? With wards?
Who was the first ever to perform an eye operation, more that 75% of them successful

I am telling you, you are ignorant of what is Islam or Islamic civilisation, and history.

Do you know how to use the internet? Yes? Perhaps? You will find the appropriate answers there.

Search for this
galen greek hospital

Then narrow the search for this
galen greek hospital "eye operation"


Yes the topic is about demographic timebomb.

Jihad has several meanings, it means a struggle, it means fight, depends where it is put, and anyone who writes articles using the word Jihad, is a liar and a cheat,

It means holy war against the infidel.


People who lived under the Byzantine regime, were sending message out to the Muslims, most of them were Christians and Jews, some poor pagans too.

There are testimonies of hundreds of letters were written out.

Traitors exist in all races and cultures. If that were true Byzantium wouldn't have kicked Muslim arse for 800 years they would have submitted to you kind chaps.


The Byzantine empire was controlled by the Roman Empire.

Look it up, don't take my word for it, I have nothing to gain either way.

Rome was sacked in 410AD. Belisaurus of Byzantium invaded Rome in the the next century. Byzantium fought all the eastern Muslim hordes successfully until about the late 14th century.


You're either deliberately lying or you're completely misinformed.

Do not call me a liar. If anything you are lying as it's sanctioned in Islam - a Muslim can lie to a Christian and treat them like sub-humans as they always are apt to do.


Now let's go back to the topic:
We don't want to derail this thread.

The topic is that the NWO is flooding European nations with Muslims trying to smash our nation states to pieces in order to control us.

We Europeans do not want Islam. It is a slave religion. Just look at how women are treated. Enough said. Why don't you Muslim men wear the hooded outfits to hide your faces?

[taylor84]

It will be a very dark day when the muslims outnumber the native white Europeans, and at current birth trends, that will eventually happen :mad:

[adbasque]

You get a grip and stop getting personal and cyber-violent. What do I care about how Byzantium treated enemy minorities?
Not the enemy minorities, the Christians, Jews, some Pagans too, basically the poor and second class citizens.
I am not getting personal, there's no need in starting yet another rumour as if I was getting personal.
I was refuting your claims, you seem to reject the truth, jumping from the Greeks to the Babylonians, to anybody else but Muslims.

Well the truth remains, Al Khawarizmi is the father of Algebra, I did not say it, the Western scientists admitted it not just this century, and that is not the only thing he achieved, lot of other studies.

Now It's clear you don't want to accept it, Go to Cairo, Alexandria, Damascus, Paris, Rome and see for yourself, the real Muslim scientists contribution, there are things they've improved, there are things that they have invented for the first time in human's history, there are things they carried out for the first time in human's history.

Insitut Du Monde Arabe
Go and check it out, but be aware you will be disappointed to what you might find.
Everything is documented, with dates, events and evidence.




At least the western Europeans of the Renaissance that rediscovered Greek learning and texts gave credit where credit is due and did not rename and plagiarise in wholesale fashion.

They didn't rediscover it, because it hasn't gone away.


The "father of algebra" was a Greek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus

Oh yeah, so he then decided to give it an Arabic name instead of a Greek name? Al Djabr?
Can you tell us then what the word Al Jabr means in Greek?



"Diophantus of Alexandria (Greek: Διόφαντος ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς. b. between 200 and 214 CE, d. between 284 and 298 CE), sometimes called "the father of algebra" (a title some[1] claim should be shared by Persian[2] Islamic mathematicianal-Khwārizmī, born some 500 years after Diophantus), was an Alexandrianmathematician and the author of a series of books called Arithmetica. These texts deal with solving algebraic equations, many of which are now lost."

Again what was the name of this study? What was the name given by this Greek genius?
Funny eh?


And please do not claim Persians as Iranian Muslims. Persians were an Aryan race of people that were Zoroastrians and were destroyed utterly by the Muslims, many of them fleeing to places like India. Also, what language does Egypt speak today? Arabic? Another great civilisation destroyed by Islam.

Persians are still the indigineous of Iran today, they have embraced Islam, they did not flee, you know that's a lie, don't you? :)
Egypt was a great civilisation to the expense of who?
What was it like to live under their rulings?
What was it like to be a worthless slave under their rule?
Wow such a civilisation.
Maybe that's what you want back, you obviously want all of those regimes back to our modern times.




Do you know how to use the internet? Yes? Perhaps? You will find the appropriate answers there.

I will find out how to use it, No I have a better idea, get on a plane and go out and find out other versions of the truth and then compare, what you're getting from the "Internet"


Search for this
galen greek hospital


I have searched the Greek hospital before and the Roman hospital, you obviously don't read or you only read what you want.
Like believe what you want to believe, you will accept it from anybody else except from Muslims, I don't think you have a personal agenda at all, you don't come across like someone with a personal agenda.


Then narrow the search for this
galen greek hospital "eye operation"

I have searched all of these points I posted before in detail I didn't just post them, I didn't wait for you to show me where to look, even though I am not technically minded as far as the "Internet" is concerned.:rolleyes:


It means holy war against the infidel.

Very enlightened I can see that lol


Traitors exist in all races and cultures. If that were true Byzantium wouldn't have kicked Muslim arse for 800 years they would have submitted to you kind chaps.


No, the Byzantines, were a ruthless selfish inhuman beings, now if you think they kicked the Muslim's arse, why are you whinging then? :rolleyes:


Rome was sacked in 410AD. Belisaurus of Byzantium invaded Rome in the the next century. Byzantium fought all the eastern Muslim hordes successfully until about the late 14th century.

Well, another fabricated piece of history, funny how it has changed in the last 30 to 40 years, and especially a lot of things have changed in the last decade alone.

So you think the living conditions under the eastern Roman empire was great to live under?
You have no idea what you're talking about, and the people you're calling traitors, were living under an appalling conditions.
You obviously want that, you don't care about the NWO, until it knock on your own door.




Do not call me a liar. If anything you are lying as it's sanctioned in Islam - a Muslim can lie to a Christian and treat them like sub-humans as they always are apt to do.

Of course you're lying, A Muslim should not lie, it's a sin, unless his life is threatened, now, you're the one who is angry and full of hatred, and as you proved here, from a total lack of knowledge or you know the truth, but you're trying to change events, by quoting other liars on the "Internet".



The topic is that the NWO is flooding European nations with Muslims trying to smash our nation states to pieces in order to control us.
When I started this debate with you, I honestly thought you were an intelligent man, Now people like you, will pull the NWO card whenever it suits them :D

In my book the NWO started generations ago, when they were invading Muslim lands and placing puppets for rulers to serve their interests, where were you? Why didn't you object then?

Now that they turned around and doing it to you, suddenly you realised that the NWO is using Muslims to flood your "Nation" the one you own, under "Your" name?


We Europeans do not want Islam. It is a slave religion. Just look at how women are treated. Enough said. Why don't you Muslim men wear the hooded outfits to hide your faces?

What about the "We" European who want Islam?
speak for yourself and the few people like you, there are a lot "European" who don't have a problem with Muslims.

And as for the flood, shall I just point out that the immigrants are not all Muslims, as an actual fact, the majority are coming from either Africa and Eastern Europe, as far back as Russia, and China.

Now, I have had enough of your shill, let's leave the topic continue, I will stop replying to you, I figured what you are and that's it.

btw: Algebra was invented by a Muslim.

Go to Rome, Paris, Damascus, Cairo and many other places you will see the evidence for yourself (That is if you're ignorant of some facts) which I am sure you're not, you just decided, I won't accept that a Muslim is capable to be a genius, typical bigots mind

Have a nice day now.

[adbasque]

It will be a very dark day when the muslims outnumber the native white Europeans, and at current birth trends, that will eventually happen :mad:

WOW another one lol

[adbasque]

You probably need to read some of his books, and see what you can make out of them, if you're looking for any truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Thomson#Background)

[paulstott]

It will be a very dark day when the muslims outnumber the native white Europeans, and at current birth trends, that will eventually happen :mad:

You better get shagging then.

[macdon]

What about the "We" European who want Islam?
speak for yourself and the few people like you, there are a lot "European" who don't have a problem with Muslims.

Very few Europeans want Islam. It is pushed on to us by your racial kindred, the Jews. You are both Semites and it is their intention to destroy our race using you Muslims as brute force to do so. Jews do this by controlling the media and laying the blame of the holocaust, if it indeed happened, upon all Europeans, thus making them feel guilty.

Political correctness was developed for this reason. So many Europeans are afraid of what others think of them, "oh dear, I mustn't appear racist", but deep down, no Europeans want Islamics in their countries.

Islam is a relapse into the Dark Ages. Women are hung upside down for virginity tests, they have their clitorises ripped out, European women are pack raped by Muslims, Muslims are implicated in terrorism - even false flag operations use disaffected Muslims, they call us infidel and their racial kindred, the Jews, call us gentiles or goyim - INSULTS, downright insults to our faces. Honour killings are another Muslim specialty.

[adbasque]

Very few Europeans want Islam. It is pushed on to us by your racial kindred, the Jews. You are both Semites and it is their intention to destroy our race using you Muslims as brute force to do so. Jews do this by controlling the media and laying the blame of the holocaust, if it indeed happened, upon all Europeans, thus making them feel guilty.

Yes, countries and sovereinties are being wiped out, cultures are made irrelevant, nobody is denying this, yes the Holcaust has been exagerated to suit the instigators not the true victims.

We know all that, How do you think those "Muslims" ended up in Europe?
Who oppressed them in their own countries and then allowed them to come to your wonderful Europe?

When they were taking their resources, their wealth, I don't remember you moaning about it, you didn't care one way or the other, now that it's happening to you, instead of blaming the ones who've been manipulating you and the Muslims, No, you take it on the Muslims, because they are the easy target.


Political correctness was developed for this reason. So many Europeans are afraid of what others think of them, "oh dear, I mustn't appear racist", but deep down, no Europeans want Islamics in their countries.

Political correctness was invented to limit our vocabulary to control our thoughts and the way we express ourselves, but then your idea of not being politically correct is to have no boundaries to what you have to say to whoever you judge not suitable to live in "Your" country.


Islam is a relapse into the Dark Ages. Women are hung upside down for virginity tests, they have their clitorises ripped out, European women are pack raped by Muslims, Muslims are implicated in terrorism - even false flag operations use disaffected Muslims, they call us infidel and their racial kindred, the Jews, call us gentiles or goyim - INSULTS, downright insults to our faces. Honour killings are another Muslim specialty.

That's typical of an ignorant to make such a statement.
Total ignorance and hatred.
I am not going into details for each of your moronic points, except that your hatred blinds you from any truth, I am not going to bother.

[picha]

Very few Europeans want Islam. It is pushed on to us by your racial kindred, the Jews. You are both Semites and it is their intention to destroy our race using you Muslims as brute force to do so. Jews do this by controlling the media and laying the blame of the holocaust, if it indeed happened, upon all Europeans, thus making them feel guilty.

Political correctness was developed for this reason. So many Europeans are afraid of what others think of them, "oh dear, I mustn't appear racist", but deep down, no Europeans want Islamics in their countries.

Islam is a relapse into the Dark Ages. Women are hung upside down for virginity tests, they have their clitorises ripped out, European women are pack raped by Muslims, Muslims are implicated in terrorism - even false flag operations use disaffected Muslims, they call us infidel and their racial kindred, the Jews, call us gentiles or goyim - INSULTS, downright insults to our faces. Honour killings are another Muslim specialty.

Nice post!

[adbasque]

***feel sleepy*** ***Yawn****

[zarah]

Yknow, yet again I'm left wondering (after a bloody awful day, if anyone's interested) why people who are quite obviously immensely narrow minded, bother to venture into the 'David Icke.com' forum. I suppose one could argue they posit an alternative viewpoint which is an essential component of intelligent discourse, but why would anyone spend countless hours doing so? (Discounting the purposeful, divergent tactics by paid agents theory.)

People who are so ignorant of facts that they assume that Shariah law originates from the Qur'an, that Islamic practice hasn't been affected by demography, infiltration, propaganda, collective subjugation and agenda. Who allege that any protest against their argument is deliberate Islamic deceit. Who assume that their skin tone, coupled with their country of birth affords then a superior intellect which isn't inherent in the Muslims which they consistently and unashamedly slander and deride. Why should the same five or six members repeatedly have to employ time and effort into correcting wrongful assertions simply because if they stopped others would continue to defame their faith, claiming a victory for their concept of 'truth'?

Are we not now at the point that we should agree to disagree and stop allowing deliberately diversive tactics to continue to separate us?

[adbasque]

Yknow, yet again I'm left wondering (after a bloody awful day, if anyone's interested) why people who are quite obviously immensely narrow minded, bother to venture into the 'David Icke.com' forum. I suppose one could argue they posit an alternative viewpoint which is an essential component of intelligent discourse, but why would anyone spend countless hours doing so? (Discounting the purposeful, divergent tactics by paid agents theory.)

But they deny that
They take full advantage in a cowardly way of the internet's anonymity to slander and lie, the aim is to distract disrupt, derail, deliberately defame the integrity of anyone who dares tell the truth, while "they" themselves claim to be victims.


People who are so ignorant of facts that they assume that Shariah law originates from the Qur'an, that Islamic practice hasn't been affected by demography, infiltration, propaganda, collective subjugation and agenda. Who allege that any protest against their argument is deliberate Islamic deceit. Who assume that their skin tone, coupled with their country of birth affords then a superior intellect which isn't inherent in the Muslims which they consistently and unashamedly slander and deride. Why should the same five or six members repeatedly have to employ time and effort into correcting wrongful assertions simply because if they stopped others would continue to defame their faith, claiming a victory for their concept of 'truth'?

Are we not now at the point that we should agree to disagree and stop allowing deliberately diversive tactics to continue to separate us?

To be honest I doubt that they are ignorants, I don't think it's ignorance anymore, I think it's deliberate, an ignorant person is only considered ignorant before you put forward your argument backed with evidence, and in this case, is the repetition, such as Picha how many hundreds of times we refuted her articles and debunked her claims.

So these people imo are nothing but professional shills, who treat others as ents
:rolleyes:

[zarah]

But they deny that
They take full advantage in a cowardly way of the internet's anonymity to slander and lie, the aim is to distract disrupt, derail, deliberately defame the integrity of anyone who dares tell the truth, while "they" themselves claim to be victims.



To be honest I doubt that they are ignorants, I don't think it's ignorance anymore, I think it's deliberate, an ignorant person is only considered ignorant before you put forward your argument backed with evidence, and in this case, is the repetition, such as Picha how many hundreds of times we refuted her articles and debunked her claims.

So these people imo are nothing but professional shills, who treat others as ents
:rolleyes:


I'm quite sure there's at least two or three people who are either paid to do the job they're doing (if I was their line manager I'd arrange an appraisal, because they're doing an appalling job) but most, I think anyway, get the majority of information from msm. This is what I'm questioning essentially. The same people can be seen in other topics yakking about 'sheeple' and 'tptb' as if they know what they're talking about, yet they refuse to comtemplate an Islamic agenda by the media they learn about Islam from.

If I was an agent, being paid by CIA/Mossad/M16 et al, I would adopt an Islamic sounding name and being to spout mis/distruths about Islam which I would obviously entwine with accurate facts. I would write about cultural pratices as if they were Islamic instructions, I would insult western values and speak about my yearning for a misgynist version of Shariah law. My audience, who knew no better, would form the opinion that Islam was barbaric, violent, brutal and stuck in the past.

Facts are facts, if the media distorts factual information to the degree that the majority of people don't know that the Taliban was conceived and formed by the CIA, that 100,000 Afghanis and others were employed in the 80's, forming a 'Mujahadin' against the Russians, that the '911 hijakers' are linked to the CIA operation called the 'Mujahadin', that Iran refuses to allow the 'World Bank' and the 'IMF' into their country, like Iraq, Afghanistan, N.Korea and Venuzuela, that the CIA were behind to Iranian 1953 coup, the Venuzuelan coup and many others, that the only oil left on the planet is found in the Middle East and we need oil for the most basic of materials such as plastic, then an intelligent person (or a member of the David Icke forum) should surely question whether they really are reading the truth about Islam.




N.B Nothing really to do with this topic but I've just watched a news report by BBC breakfast and some awful looking male/female 'journalist', apparently the Afghanis are 'resilient' and don't mind a few bombs planted by the 'Taliban'...so long as they could vote. Apparently, as it looks as though puppet Kharzi has won, so the west are satisfied that the elections were 'fair'. Praise be to the west and it sense of truth and righteousness. :rolleyes:

[paulstott]

[COLOR="Purple"]Yknow, yet again I'm left wondering (after a bloody awful day, if anyone's interested) why people who are quite obviously immensely narrow minded, bother to venture into the 'David Icke.com' forum.

As someone who is quite new to this forum, it is certainly noticeable how right wing some posters are.

I am less surprised by it than you, but it is certainly disappointing.

[eternal_spirit]

As someone who is quite new to this forum, it is certainly noticeable how right wing some posters are.

I am less surprised by it than you, but it is certainly disappointing.
I have no idea how you confuse the posts on this thread and it's topic with "right wing".
Take off those rose tinted spectacles or clean them judging by that aged avatar they could do with it.

Then maybe you'd notice the Muslims posting and their pro Muslim biased crew.

[adbasque]

I'm quite sure there's at least two or three people who are either paid to do the job they're doing (if I was their line manager I'd arrange an appraisal, because they're doing an appalling job) but most, I think anyway, get the majority of information from msm. This is what I'm questioning essentially. The same people can be seen in other topics yakking about 'sheeple' and 'tptb' as if they know what they're talking about, yet they refuse to comtemplate an Islamic agenda by the media they learn about Islam from.

I'd like to know how many of these people did any research about what is Islam, what's really happening in the Muslim world, what the west did for those countries for decades, while most Westerners were totally ignorant what was done to others in their name, not just Muslim countries but to the rest of the world.


If I was an agent, being paid by CIA/Mossad/M16 et al, I would adopt an Islamic sounding name and being to spout mis/distruths about Islam which I would obviously entwine with accurate facts. I would write about cultural pratices as if they were Islamic instructions, I would insult western values and speak about my yearning for a misgynist version of Shariah law. My audience, who knew no better, would form the opinion that Islam was barbaric, violent, brutal and stuck in the past.

How many times they've done just that, When I lived in North Africa years ago, an Imam was caught after 20 years of deceiving the population of a small town East of the country, he was discovered to be an Israeli agent disguised as a Muslim Imam, until people started questioning his teaching in that small mosque, he was then kicked out of the country.

His mission was to radicalise the young Muslims.
(For Picha, he was not stoned though:rolleyes:)


Facts are facts, if the media distorts factual information to the degree that the majority of people don't know that the Taliban was conceived and formed by the CIA, that 100,000 Afghanis and others were employed in the 80's, forming a 'Mujahadin' against the Russians, that the '911 hijakers' are linked to the CIA operation called the 'Mujahadin', that Iran refuses to allow the 'World Bank' and the 'IMF' into their country, like Iraq, Afghanistan, N.Korea and Venuzuela, that the CIA were behind to Iranian 1953 coup, the Venuzuelan coup and many others, that the only oil left on the planet is found in the Middle East and we need oil for the most basic of materials such as plastic, then an intelligent person (or a member of the David Icke forum) should surely question whether they really are reading the truth about Islam.

It's funny to see all of these people claiming to be aware, to have reached a high level of awarness.
Sometimes when I read their comments it makes me want a scream, which leads me to believe that they can't possibly be that ignorant of the facts, some will admit that it's all the CIA, Mossad etc.. but still the Muslims are the bad guys, not just few Muslims, but all Muslims.
They know for instance that all of the Muslim countries have had a dictator imposed on them, and that is for generations.

Who helped Saddam into power?
Who placed Anwar Saddat and then they got rid of him? (he wanted peace)
Who killed Yitzhak Rabin (he also wanted peace)
Who put Kaddafi in power (Half Jewish, Anti Islam)
Who put Tunisian leaders in power?
Morrocan Royalty in power?
Saudis in Power?

Britain has a hell of a lot to answer for (not us the people of course)
How many people here on this forum, went to those countries and discovered the truth, who got their information from their own experiences and not the msm?







N.B Nothing really to do with this topic but I've just watched a news report by BBC breakfast and some awful looking male/female 'journalist', apparently the Afghanis are 'resilient' and don't mind a few bombs planted by the 'Taliban'...so long as they could vote. Apparently, as it looks as though puppet Kharzi has won, so the west are satisfied that the elections were 'fair'. Praise be to the west and it sense of truth and righteousness. :rolleyes:

Him and his brother are both CIA agents, his brother is a notorious drug dealer he was arrested in the US, and then to reduce his sentence he acceped
to work for the CIA just like his brother:


In a January 2008 interview, Karzai expressed his feelings towards America by stating: "if I am called a puppet because we are grateful to America, then let that be my nickname

Anyway some people are not interested in any truth, because by admitting this, they have no reason to spout their hatred.

[nihil]

I just care less than zero . Someone down there's happy at bed?

Good, so learn from others - less TV and more ...chillin' ;)

[zarah]

As someone who is quite new to this forum, it is certainly noticeable how right wing some posters are.

I am less surprised by it than you, but it is certainly disappointing.

Yup.

Totally away from the topic, but is the Hackney in your name thingy the Hackney in east London? I work near there..

[zarah]

I have no idea how you confuse the posts on this thread and it's topic with "right wing".
Take off those rose tinted spectacles or clean them judging by that aged avatar they could do with it.

Then maybe you'd notice the Muslims posting and their pro Muslim biased crew.

So there isn't a lil right wing clique that trots about the place defaming Islam then? Of course other members who recognise cack when they read it are going to reply with their opinion...although I'm totally sure you wish they wouldn't.

[zarah]

I'd like to know how many of these people did any research about what is Islam, what's really happening in the Muslim world, what the west did for those countries for decades, while most Westerners were totally ignorant what was done to others in their name, not just Muslim countries but to the rest of the world.

Totally agree. Britain's operated under a hegemony for hundreds of years, causing unquantifiable suffering to anywhere with resources to steal.

How many times they've done just that, When I lived in North Africa years ago, an Imam was caught after 20 years of deceiving the population of a small town East of the country, he was discovered to be an Israeli agent disguised as a Muslim Imam, until people started questioning his teaching in that small mosque, he was then kicked out of the country.

The Qur'an warns Muslims to watch out for just that. I imagine that infiltration's probably much more widespread than any of us would guess.


Radicalisation of Muslims in Middle Eastern countries has been part of a covert CIA operation for at least 30 years. It's funny to see all of these people claiming to be aware, to have reached a high level of awarness.
Sometimes when I read their comments it makes me want a scream, which leads me to believe that they can't possibly be that ignorant of the facts, some will admit that it's all the CIA, Mossad etc.. but still the Muslims are the bad guys, not just few Muslims, but all Muslims.

Exactly. It's really frustrating. My fiance tells me I should just leave it be and stop arguing with people who won't change their minds, but I despise injustice.

They know for instance that all of the Muslim countries have had a dictator imposed on them, and that is for generations.

Who helped Saddam into power?
Who placed Anwar Saddat and then they got rid of him? (he wanted peace)
Who killed Yitzhak Rabin (he also wanted peace)
Who put Kaddafi in power (Half Jewish, Anti Islam)
Who put Tunisian leaders in power?
Morrocan Royalty in power?
Saudis in Power?


You could add the 1953 Iranian coup, the ordeal of the Kashmiris and the 1965 Indonesian coup to the list.

[eternal_spirit]

So there isn't a lil right wing clique that trots about the place defaming Islam then? Of course other members who recognise cack when they read it are going to reply with their opinion...although I'm totally sure you wish they wouldn't.
What's the thread title? Speaking of "cack" you go round "cackling" on about Mohamhead. Muhammed is now said to be the most common boys name in Britain. Tells you something about the birth rates.
Can't see jack or Tarquin ever being the most common name in any Muslim country!

[lightgiver]

What's the thread title? Speaking of "cack" you go round "cackling" on about Mohamhead. Muhammed is now said to be the most common boys name in Britain. Tells you something about the birth rates.
Can't see jack or Tarquin ever being the most common name in any Muslim country!

So why don't you go and complain to the Government then?

ES whining on here is going to do nothing about your agenda.:confused:

[nihil]

All those haters just give air to their mouth .

[zarah]

What's the thread title? Speaking of "cack" you go round "cackling" on about Mohamhead. Muhammed is now said to be the most common boys name in Britain. Tells you something about the birth rates.
Can't see jack or Tarquin ever being the most common name in any Muslim country!

Well actually, all that does is tell us lots of Muslim families call their babies Muhammed, not that more Muslim children are being born in the UK than any other faith. Muhammed's also used as a prefix and is sustituted by a name which the child will be known by. Muslims only account for about 1.5 million people out of a country which contains 60 million, and although birthrate within Muslim families is generally a tad higher, I think they'd have a fair way to go before they became the majority.

[adbasque]

So why don't you go and complain to the Government then?

ES whining on here is going to do nothing about your agenda.:confused:

It's easier to attack the average people, they don't have the balls to stand up t their hypocrite government.

We are all victims, but it's easier to take it on another group of victims.

[adbasque]

You could add the 1953 Iranian coup, the ordeal of the Kashmiris and the 1965 Indonesian coup to the list.

Oh absolutely, especially Britain has poked it's nose in every corner of the world, this is not something anyone would be proud of, stealing people's wealth, enslaving the ones they could enslave, destroy the others from within and then eventually invade them.


Show me one country that Britain hasn't invaded, replaced the government, colonised etc.. before even the CIA was created.

For goodness sakes don't take my word for it check it out people, they were doing it in our name.

I am not saying that the British people knew what was really going on, they were times where people didn't have a clue what their government was upto, and in many cases we still don't know.

Now you get some shills here blaming the handful of Muslims, blacks, and so on who came here to live, who opened the gates for them? Did they force their way in? NO
They were allowed in deliberately so morons like you will react exactly as predicted.

When are you going to wake up and stop being little children, whinging about everything.

You're unhappy? Take it on your government or shut up.

[nirvana00]

[COLOR="purple"]You could add the 1953 Iranian coup, the ordeal of the Kashmiris and the 1965 Indonesian coup to the list.

You forgot the genocide of close to 100 million people in Indian subcontinent over 300 years during British rule, genocide of aborigines in Australia. Iraq and Afghanistan, two modern disasters that have their roots in the experience of empire. Other victims of settler colonialism where unresolved problems survive from the time of empire include South Africa, Zimbabwe and Kenya, and Northern Ireland. Palestine, again a settler colony that Britain abandoned in 1947 after barely 30 years, having imposed a population of mostly European settlers on the indigenous people..Instead of recognizing what really happened, British are such shameless savages that they help America and Israel in endlessly pouring petrol on the flames and rubbing salt into the wounds of other people.