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montag
13-08-2007, 12:33 PM
In debates over the nature of Catholic schools, the issue of their identity and how we measure their success in terms of that identity are fundamental. I concur fully with the argument that we need to be more energetic in re-presenting our tradition and more unapologetic in proclaiming the gospel.

A school that is Catholic in name only serves no one's interests. We should insist that students leave our schools religiously literate, even as we accept that faith is a gift which our students are free to accept or reject. But we should be careful not to step back from an appreciation of the impact of our schools in a wider sense. Catholic identity is not a narrow thing, and our schools represent the church's most significant engagement with modern society.

In the Jesuit tradition of education, reaching back nearly five centuries, there has always been an expansive understanding of the enterprise. It is about faith and the individual, faith and learning, faith and culture, faith and justice.

The federal Defence Minister, Brendan Nelson, has written of his education: "[The Jesuits] … taught me that four values underwrite a successful life. Commitment. You should consistently apply yourself to that in which you believe. Conscience. Continually ask yourself, 'What is the right thing to do?' Compassion. Always try to share another person's pain, to place your self in their shoes. Finally, you will need courage - to have a brave heart." No doubt some of Dr Nelson's teachers would question aspects of the path he has followed in living out these values, though this would be true of all of us.

Yet Dr Nelson's words are not a bad summary of our hopes for our students. I would add the virtue of faith, a faith in the God who is our origin and goal, faith in a God who walks with us in Jesus, and faith in ourselves as the artwork of God.

To speak of our hopes for the graduate of a Jesuit education is not to think of an assembly line of graduates. When we look, for example, at some of the graduates of Jesuit education in politics, to keep to the Nelson theme, they are a varied lot - Charles de Gaulle in France, Bill Clinton in the US, Pierre Trudeau in Canada, Fidel Castro in Cuba, Abdul Kalam in India, and so on. There is no mould here. Castro's revolution closed his old school and yet he kept contact with some of his Jesuit teachers. Old boys who go into politics, like all of us, do not always live out the ideals we propose, and certainly there would be many political arguments between them. But can we not discern a common thread in their sense of commitment, of the common good, of involvement beyond one's self?

Similarly, Jesuit education values the imagination, creativity and the mind. Thus Jesuits can value and be proud of old scholars such as Voltaire and Descartes, James Joyce and Cervantes, even when their conclusions strongly differ from beliefs we hold precious. Most of these figures acknowledged the value of their education and maintained relations with individual Jesuits long after their schooling. If God is to be found in all things, as Jesuit spirituality would maintain, then we can be proud of the contributions made by thinkers, scientists and even politicians, who in part were shaped by their education.

Some of our students, even a majority of them, will come to hold views and beliefs quite different from those that I hold most dear as a Catholic and as a Jesuit. Does this mean our schools have failed? If these students are committed and true to what they believe, if they are men or women for others and have brave hearts, if they remain open to spiritual questions, then I would judge our mission here a success. Christian faith involves trust in God's spirit at work in all and through all. Archbishop Oscar Romero wrote of "a future not our own", from the perspective of teacher, parent or priest: "We plant seeds that one day will grow. We water seeds already planted, knowing that they hold future promise. We lay foundations that will need further development."

In their pastoral letter on Catholic education the bishops of NSW and ACT resist the temptation to "downsize our school system to a scale at which we can choose students and staff who readily embrace the mission of a Catholic school". In so doing I believe that they have retained a commitment to engage with our world, a key element in the Catholic tradition.

Father Chris Middleton is principal of St Aloysius' College in Milsons Point.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/we-jesuits-value-brave-hearts-and-true-believers/2007/08/12/1186857342388.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

revolution 9
13-08-2007, 04:11 PM
I just recently read Martin's book "The Jesuits." What is your take on it?

warrior
14-08-2007, 12:38 AM
is this thread a piss-take???

Do you really imagine you are on the correct forum to discuss ROMAN Catholic brainwashing and the virtues of the Jesuits.

What are the oaths of the Jesuits

Tell us why the Jesuits were banned from so many countries throughout history, in as much details as you can? Maybe starting with Otto Von Bismarks government outlawing Jesuits and listing the many others.

Tell us your take on the Roman Catholic churches Inquisition, the torture and murder of an estimated 50,000,000 people over 600 years. The Roman catholic church has a strange way following the word of God.

What about the Ustashi and the proven vatican connections to Ante Pavelic, the Roman Catholic who lead the slaughter of approx 800,000 non-Roman catholics during WW2, all with the blessings of the Archbishop of Zagreb, Cardinal Stepinac who was later convicted of being a war criminal and partly responsible for the mass slaughter of the Serbs. In 1998 Pope John Paul beatified the nazi war criminal Stepinac.

Apart from the evils of the authorities from the Roman Catholic church, this forum would be mostly used by people against all forms of "organised religion". Organised religion always has been a method of controlling the public, as the Inquisitions demonstrates so clearly. There was never meant to be organised religions, only beliefs.
From the bible Jesus himself warned us all of the wolves in sheeps clothing, and the fraudulent so-called religious leaders.
However I am in favour of teaching the messages of the Bible, show respect to everyone. I am against the reprehensible hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic church.

Here is a documentary discussing the Inquisitions and their methods of torture. The Roman Catholic churchs actions have clearly demonstrated that they have not followed the teachings of God, on the contrary, torture and murder is the work of Satan.
Catholic Inquisition and The Torture Tools - YouTube

montag
14-08-2007, 12:47 AM
is this thread a piss-take???

Do you really imagine you are on the correct forum to discuss ROMAN Catholic brainwashing and the virtues of the Jesuits.

No warrior it's not a piss take, I just thought it was an interesting and telling piece of Jesuit propaganda from yesterday's paper, make of it what you will..

When we look, for example, at some of the graduates of Jesuit education in politics, to keep to the Nelson theme, they are a varied lot - Charles de Gaulle in France, Bill Clinton in the US, Pierre Trudeau in Canada, Fidel Castro in Cuba, Abdul Kalam in India, and so on.

revolution 9
14-08-2007, 04:48 AM
Can I get an answer to my serious question?

montag
14-08-2007, 05:22 AM
Can I get an answer to my serious question?
Sorry mate, I haven't read that book so I don't have a take on it, tell me about it..

john white
14-08-2007, 10:35 AM
is this thread a piss-take???

Do you really imagine you are on the correct forum to discuss ROMAN Catholic brainwashing and the virtues of the Jesuits.

What are the oaths of the Jesuits

Tell us why the Jesuits were banned from so many countries throughout history, in as much details as you can? Maybe starting with Otto Von Bismarks government outlawing Jesuits and listing the many others.

Tell us your take on the Roman Catholic churches Inquisition, the torture and murder of an estimated 50,000,000 people over 600 years. The Roman catholic church has a strange way following the word of God.

What about the Ustashi and the proven vatican connections to Ante Pavelic, the Roman Catholic who lead the slaughter of approx 800,000 non-Roman catholics during WW2, all with the blessings of the Archbishop of Zagreb, Cardinal Stepinac who was later convicted of being a war criminal and partly responsible for the mass slaughter of the Serbs. In 1998 Pope John Paul beatified the nazi war criminal Stepinac.

Apart from the evils of the authorities from the Roman Catholic church, this forum would be mostly used by people against all forms of "organised religion". Organised religion always has been a method of controlling the public, as the Inquisitions demonstrates so clearly. There was never meant to be organised religions, only beliefs.
From the bible Jesus himself warned us all of the wolves in sheeps clothing, and the fraudulent so-called religious leaders.
However I am in favour of teaching the messages of the Bible, show respect to everyone. I am against the reprehensible hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic church.

Here is a documentary discussing the Inquisitions and their methods of torture. The Roman Catholic churchs actions have clearly demonstrated that they have not followed the teachings of God, on the contrary, torture and murder is the work of Satan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY

Dont jump your assumptions down Montag's throat just becuase he posts INFORMATION: Thinking is important y'know!

revolution 9
14-08-2007, 04:52 PM
Sorry mate, I haven't read that book so I don't have a take on it, tell me about it..

Oh, I see. Malichi Martin was an ex-Jesuit Catholic Priest who wrote a bunch of books, some mystery/fiction, and some about the Church and the Jesuits. I haven't read the others, but in this he basically details the whole history of the Jesuits and discusses how the Jesuits are basically at war with the Papistry(sp?).

warrior
14-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Dont jump your assumptions down Montag's throat just becuase he posts INFORMATION: Thinking is important y'know!

I will post as I wish, so stick your useless advice.

I know thinking is important. Thinking about the history of the oppresive, murderous and barbaric history of the Roman Catholic Church is significant, their history shouldn't be forgotten, the Vaticans links to the slaughter in Croatia shouldn't be forgotten, and people should think why did Pope John Paul II beatify a nazi war criminal.
The Roman Catholic church surpressed free-thinkers and bible believers for centuries, they rammed their system down everyones throat for centuries.
I also posted information.