2012 into Fifth dimension?

[majestic]

Now theres probably been many posts about the ascension process at the end of 2012, but who really thinks the enlightened ones are going into a 5th dimension? And my question is if some people do go into the fifth dimension, they say they will be in their light bodies merging with all in the universe. But what about the current state of the world and many evil people still living their live as they are? I cant ascertain the amount of people going through an awakening but their are probably so many that are living their corrupt ways. Finally will the so called veil to the other dimensions slowly lift making us all feel mad while the evil ones carry on living in 3rd dimensions? Abit confused?


Thanks

[curtaincat]

Now theres probably been many posts about the ascension process at the end of 2012, but who really thinks the enlightened ones are going into a 5th dimension? And my question is if some people do go into the fifth dimension, they say they will be in their light bodies merging with all in the universe. But what about the current state of the world and many evil people still living their live as they are? I cant ascertain the amount of people going through an awakening but their are probably so many that are living their corrupt ways. Finally will the so called veil to the other dimensions slowly lift making us all feel mad while the evil ones carry on living in 3rd dimensions? Abit confused?


Thanks

I wish i could answer but i dont know... but i am really glad you started this thread because i think it is a really important question.

[j35p3r4d0]

No-one is going anywhere.

The burgeoning of human conciousness as a whole upon the expanded paradigm of fifth dimensional reality is an epoch in development, not a get out of jail free card.

Nobody will be dissolving into the ether, but more and more people will realise and actualise fifth dimensional (sixth...seventh...and so on) reality for themselves, until a critical mass is reached, and a large scale shift in global conciousness occurs.

anything beyond that...... sketchy at best. Perhaps a pivotal point in the progression of our destiny, a shift marker event, the outcome of which has far-reaching applications into the future. A divergence in universal time line. (possibly)

your light body is your souls holographic expression. This exists through all dimensions.


The logic goes that when enough people realise what is happening here, that the momentum becomes irresistible, and a new age of free conciousness is achieved. "The age of the sun god", and indeed, the inner sun.

No evaporating onto other dimensional planes, BUT, the rebirth of their influence and utilisation by humanity, a new age of reason which we are currently setting in motion.

[lhaull]

No-one is going anywhere.


Hmmm, that has the feel of complete certanty excluding possibility of any other possibility about it. And does not mirror my own experience.

My own experience has shown me that possibilities exist in endless ways.
To give my opinion about the OP's question I would say this.
For me things are changing very fast now. Dimensional awareness becomming very distinct and the self point awareness is moving between them more and more freely. It is evident that things are changing inside me drastically, the changes are noticable now, vivid, concentrated, where before they were vague idea's or imaginings. Now they are actual spaces, actual experiences both familiar and yet new. I overflowed my vessle of being and delightfully found I occupied another vessle I didn't know was there until I spilled into it. Won't bother explaining more about that here.

Is there a link to 2012?
Does it matter?
What I am experiencing is pulling me in a direction I have been looking for and also resisting. Surrendering to it and allowing it to happen is scarey but also it is mind boggling because the questioning stops and realization dawns..
I have tested theory after theory, tested idea's and searched for answers but now I am actually experiencing the answers.
A Theory and subsiquent thought answer can go round and round be expanded and disected by the mind on the thinking level.
When your theories are answered by the actual internal shifts which happen, the wondering stops and being begins.

This may sound like I'm up my own bottom and that Ego is rampant, and whatever you get from this post is your to take with you.
It will resonate with you or not, I hope it helps others. But as we approach whatever it is that is happening, the theory is calling it by a date (2012) or a place in space time (the photon belt or whatever), or (the awakening or Ascention process) or whatever.
I am pleased to be out of the theory band and moving into actual experience of this thing which IS Happening. The theory is endless, the experience is sure, I promise you it is real. Why it is happening, what you call the trigger is for me completely meaningless now, the experience of it - is the true meaning.

I could theorise about where it will end, if it ever will, but I can't be bothered, I am having way to much fun in these new realms of awareness to climb back into that space.

[kawehna]

we will not worry, everything happens for a reason and if people choose to stay in the current dimension that just means they are not ready to ascend, and they will continure their healing journey until they are, and for the people who do ascend, im pretty sure your not just light bodies, your still human we just have our psychic gifts & etc returned to us

[justin_pushka]

Years ago I was aware of all of the intelectual theorising of the 5th density but to be honest i didnt get it or imagine what it could be like. In the last year all intellectual theorising ive had to despence with as something happened and is hapening to my perception. I can discribe the 5th to you but until you experience it its pretty useless to theorise about. The fith seems to comprise of a web of interconecting light fillaments like rays. This web extends out of your bodies out into the world and conects everything like one giant net. The net is constanly fluctuating as situations emotions and thoughs change. Its an expression of all life intertwined. If you perceive it with your eyes open (sometimes a dark room is good when the experience is dawning) you can see light patterns extending outwards that look rather like the "net" or "weblike" illustrations on paper money. This is why money (a form of energy exchange) has these patterns printed on the by tptb. The level of energy was one of the brotherhoods secrets kept for thousands of years. I stumbled onto it rather by accident by intuitively working out what theyre hand symbol is. Firstly there are new energies coming to earth that make the 5th more accessable anyway that is the awakening happening bit by bit in all people. You can speed up your vision by techniques such as meditation, diet and shamanic visionary plants. The rulers dont want us to wake up to this new dimention as it means energy will be shared equaly amoung all rather than a few having the ability to fuck with those without sight. The reason they have the all seeing eye as their symbol is they have been taugh through mystery schools to awaken to this level and threfore they see all however they have used this knowlege to control us. heres some things that anyone can do to perceive the invisible light.

1. Eat better. cut out all modified foods. try eating light foods like vegetables which eat light from the sun and transmit it to us via consumption.

2. Use the illuminatis hidden secret.... make a hand gesture as in satanism. Two fingers up two fingers down and thumb out. Im sure youve seen all the polititians doing this sign? Rest the index finger on the forhead and use the thumb and little finger to open and cut off the nostrils to practice alternate nostril breathing. You can you tube it for technique.

3 cut out flouride as it fucks up the pineal gland which is your aparatus of conecting to the level of light.

4 Meditation relaxation and freeing yourself from fear.

5. trying organic plants that contain psychoactive substances (realy as a training he mind to accept other realities.

6. watching the sun rise and set. the sun is safe to look at directly when the disk is touching the horizon.

7. just putting your intention there. What the mind focuses on brings it into being.

Happy veiwing! Hope this info helps.

[delamo1999]

Right now I am noticing a split in realities. The majority of the people I see are still wrapped up in the old 3D reality of scarcity, competition, and relying on "trusted" 3rd parties or "experts" for their information. They are still willing to go to all lengths to play the game whether it be to get that "good" job or to live the life they believe to be real. Many of these people still trust that the governments have their best interests at and and the ones that do question the governments motives stay quiet out of fear.

On the other hand there is a much smaller, but slowly growing population of people who have realized that the current 3D life is no longer making sense. Instead of putting all their time and energy into trying to make their lives "work" in the 3D world, they are exploring other options, many of which they don't entire understand, but intuitively feel that they need to trust the process. Many of these people have set aside former ambitions of striving for the big material things, including careers that were once important to them. Many of them are practicing meditation and are starting to trust that all truth comes from inside instead of from the outside. Many of these people too are beginning to question the motives of government and are not afraid to speak their truths.

If it is determined that we cannot advance into the 5D reality until there is a global shift in consciousness, then I don't know what to say as like I stated the much greater population is content with their lives in the 3D world even if they are miserable. I think that the shift to 5D will be pretty much at an individual rate with people helping others who are ready to shift.

:)

[dimensionaldetective]

From some of the things I have heard (both outward and inward), there will be many that simply remain in 3-D by their own account, and will be no worse for the wear (figuratively speaking). Others may move into a different state of being and perhaps another parallel dimension of higher frequency, or perhaps be attuned out of phase with the 3-D density prison of materiality and matter.

I have to say that personally, I no longer wish to subscribe to the current paradigm of "money", and aquisitions of "things", even as far as caring about ever owning a "home", which to me is just another way to keep a person a tax-slave to TPTB, long-term.

I know I am out there, but I see myself eventually detaching from society completely, and existing out within nature, as my ancestors did (I am of Native American descent). Obviously not the "glamorous" life from a "societal" standpoint, but I couldn't care less. I am happiest away from the matrix and ratrace, and when I am one with nature.

Some interesting times ahead for sure, no matter what one subscribes to.

[arty2000]

No-one is going anywhere.

The burgeoning of human conciousness as a whole upon the expanded paradigm of fifth dimensional reality is an epoch in development, not a get out of jail free card.

Nobody will be dissolving into the ether, but more and more people will realise and actualise fifth dimensional (sixth...seventh...and so on) reality for themselves, until a critical mass is reached, and a large scale shift in global conciousness occurs.

anything beyond that...... sketchy at best. Perhaps a pivotal point in the progression of our destiny, a shift marker event, the outcome of which has far-reaching applications into the future. A divergence in universal time line. (possibly)

your light body is your souls holographic expression. This exists through all dimensions.


The logic goes that when enough people realise what is happening here, that the momentum becomes irresistible, and a new age of free conciousness is achieved. "The age of the sun god", and indeed, the inner sun.

No evaporating onto other dimensional planes, BUT, the rebirth of their influence and utilisation by humanity, a new age of reason which we are currently setting in motion.

the 100th monkey syndrome:)...lets keep the ball rolling,nice post:)

[veritasvoice]

Doesn't the idea of physical ascension in 2012 sound to people like a New Age version of the Rapture?

I'm really tempted to say these are memes put out there to instill a spirit of non-resistance in people subscribing to either New Age or Christian millennial dispensationalist viewpoints.

If these folks believe that they will be magically spirited away by an outside force before the SHTF, they will be less inclined to do anything about encroaching totalitarianism in the meantime.

[itsallinus]

Doesn't the idea of physical ascension in 2012 sound to people like a New Age version of the Rapture?

I'm really tempted to say these are memes put out there to instill a spirit of non-resistance in people subscribing to either New Age or Christian millennial dispensationalist viewpoints.

If these folks believe that they will be magically spirited away by an outside force before the SHTF, they will be less inclined to do anything about encroaching totalitarianism in the meantime.

Re-read post 4, things are happening and a lot of people are experiencing it (myself included), you can't beat the ptb and you never needed to. If you want to find salvation from the nwo only you can save yourself, by looking within and letting go.

[72057594000000000vps]

My view on this matter,, yes there are many separate people, doing good in their own way. But when and if we put things together in good way.. Something great will happen..

So.
Who owns patents? Nature has produced everything for free, and very long... Now at patent time, Is patents helping or doing more harm??

I know there are many patents, only made out of these diagrams.. so.. think about big picture..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Chromatin_Structures.png/800px-Chromatin_Structures.png
(bigger; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Chromatin_Structures.png )

Next time you get a good idea put it out free (internet). And say this is my new vision for free, and it is in here for free to use.. And openly to everybodys use, you dont need that money crab anymore.. Its like opensource then.. That money spell is going down to sewer-.

So, we are hear at breaking point:
New UN raport says there is around 1 000 000 000 people starving on earth.
http://www.congoo.com/news/2009October15/record-billion-hungry

So how about this then,, Some people are singing that song allready. ;)

Live aid - 1985 Usa For Africa - We Are The World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZKyYFyiFA

ps. I was thinking to put this song on 144-+++ peace song thread, but I felt that it needs it own place at here..

[dusan]

....On the other hand there is a much smaller, but slowly growing population of people who have realized that the current 3D life is no longer making sense. Instead of putting all their time and energy into trying to make their lives "work" in the 3D world, they are exploring other options, many of which they don't entire understand, but intuitively feel that they need to trust the process. Many of these people have set aside former ambitions of striving for the big material things, including careers that were once important to them. Many of them are practicing meditation and are starting to trust that all truth comes from inside instead of from the outside. Many of these people too are beginning to question the motives of government and are not afraid to speak their truths.....



:)

exactly what happened to me!:eek:

[pipsicle]

We are slowly but surely waking up. Here is one account of the future:

by Luis Prada:


The Photonic Belt, known also as "Bond" Radiations, "Photon Belt", "Photonic Belt" or "Photonic Band", is part of a group of energies of seventh dimension (see Figure 3) that stream in the shape of energetic belts or "doughnuts" from the center of the galaxy or Great Central Sun in all directions. One of these energetic bands flows from the Constellation of Leo to the Constellation of Aquarius and breaks the Platonic year in two galactic nights and two galactic days. The galactic days happen, then, in the Zodiacal signs of Leo and Aquarius as seen from the perspective of our solar system, see Figure 1.

Angels can use this energy of 7 dimension, during sleep, to activate the chakras of the disciples of the Light that are prepared and thus ask for it. These energies produce changes at subatomic level in all manifested kingdoms. The solar system won't be the same, the change affects many dimensions. Likewise, the galaxy is being bombarded by cosmic energies that affect it in the same way and all known creation in the 3rd dimension in this universe will pass to the 4th dimension and then to the 5th. The resistive packets that do not want change will implode to other stellar system or other creation appropriate to their evolution of 3rd dimension where they will continue recreating their conflicts, polarities, fears, and wars until they eliminate from their auras this negative programming.

Observe also in this illustration the Platonic year with the Zodiac and the Precession of the Equinoxes. The sun entered the photonic zone in 1,998 and will stay in this area for approximately two thousand years.

The Pleiades, the Constellation of the Pleiades, is composed of various solar systems. The Central Sun of the Constellation of the Pleiades is called Alcyon and its systems are, from inside out: Merope, Atlas, Maya, Electra, Coele, Taygeta, and ours, called Ors, which are always within the ring of photons being thus inhabited by beings of eternal light (as the luminous angels in antiquity). Our system is the farthest and the last orbit in rotating around Alcyon and it takes 25920 years to complete a full turn.

According to Mayan prophesies and studies (of which we will speak later in our space Other Subjects ("Otros Temas") ) on December 22 of the year 2012 we will definitely enter into the Photonic Radiation Field. During the next 10 years the Planet Earth and its neighbors of the solar system will adjust their molecular structures. All get ready for the great change, a unique opportunity for the inhabitants of these worlds.

Upon entrance of the Solar System and our Planet into this radiation all molecules and atoms of all existing bodies will be excited. This molecular excitation will create a type of constant non-warm light; a light without temperature that does not produce shadows.

The ingress to this field will be gradual which will take approximately two days. Then the zone of total darkness of three days, here the electric apparatuses will not function as a result of the prevailing hipermagnetism. The main part, the unending light, will be 24 hours a day during 2160 years. Upon entrance of our sun into the "Photon Belt" a darkness as the night with a rain of stars will be produced on Earth that will last for 5 days approximately. This will be a consequence of the sudden modification of the solar radiation and of the molecular excitation of the atmosphere upon entering in contact with the messianic ring. The perpetual day will be a consequence of the proper radiation not depending anymore on the Sun to have daylight. If the Earth ingresses before the sun, a phenomenon similar to a planetary fire will be produced, the matter will look luminous, but it will only be a visual phenomenon. It is in this Golden Age, or Realm of Golden Light in where human being will be able to be fully realized, the peoples will be able to understand their history, their psychic and full consciousness abilities altogether with their solar system and the universe. This realm of light will be known for all whose spiritual and bodily inner vibrations be related to the messianic waves of the photon belt.

By just the fact of entering this photonic field the Earth will be reducing its rotation due to the reduction of the solar radiation, the temperature will descend and the ice fields will extend up to the 40º of latitude in both hemispheres, only will be inhabitable the zones near the Equator even tough this equatorial zone won't be as it is today since the change of the polar axis will create a glacier that will extend throughout all continents. The ice layers will not resist much due to the lack of rain and soon will melt as a result of the constant radiation. Then the Earth will be flooded, the levels of water will rise up to the 900 meters of height covering the face of the planet. The imminent cataclysm will mark the beginning of a new cycle, a cycle of light, of peace, of justice, without diseases, nor wickedness. A kingdom for the just, for those elected among thousands, for the ones who vibrate at unison with the tune of the Cosmos.

[leo40]

If it is determined that we cannot advance into the 5D reality until there is a global shift in consciousness, then I don't know what to say as like I stated the much greater population is content with their lives in the 3D world even if they are miserable. I think that the shift to 5D will be pretty much at an individual rate with people helping others who are ready to shift.

:)

5D is where the dead people go. Good luck to you!

[energi]

But I thought that we exist in all dimensions at once according to Quantum Mechanics? Are you sure people haven't twisted this to suit their own beliefs (I am chosen/one of the few that will ascend/whatever)? ;)

[machine]

Then the Earth will be flooded, the levels of water will rise up to the 900 meters of height covering the face of the planet. The imminent cataclysm will mark the beginning of a new cycle, a cycle of light, of peace, of justice, without diseases, nor wickedness. A kingdom for the just, for those elected among thousands, for the ones who vibrate at unison with the tune of the Cosmos.

Judging by this last paragraph I can quite imagine a new cycle begining. I mean how much disease or wickedness can a handful of people who will be left actually create?


If this paragraph is anything to go by were all pretty much fucked.

[pipsicle]

Please inform people.... I thought 1987 - 2012 was supposed to be a Mayan interworld, followed by people gaining the ability to pass into the fourth and then the fifth dimensions while still alive...

[dras]

We are slowly but surely waking up. Here is one account of the future:

by Luis Prada:


Angels can use this energy of 7 dimension, during sleep, to activate the chakras of the disciples of the Light that are prepared and thus ask for it. These energies produce changes at subatomic level in all manifested kingdoms. The solar system won't be the same, the change affects many dimensions. Likewise, the galaxy is being bombarded by cosmic energies that affect it in the same way and all known creation in the 3rd dimension in this universe will pass to the 4th dimension and then to the 5th. The resistive packets that do not want change will implode to other stellar system or other creation appropriate to their evolution of 3rd dimension where they will continue recreating their conflicts, polarities, fears, and wars until they eliminate from their auras this negative programming.

...

By just the fact of entering this photonic field the Earth will be reducing its rotation due to the reduction of the solar radiation, the temperature will descend and the ice fields will extend up to the 40º of latitude in both hemispheres, only will be inhabitable the zones near the Equator even tough this equatorial zone won't be as it is today since the change of the polar axis will create a glacier that will extend throughout all continents. The ice layers will not resist much due to the lack of rain and soon will melt as a result of the constant radiation. Then the Earth will be flooded, the levels of water will rise up to the 900 meters of height covering the face of the planet. The imminent cataclysm will mark the beginning of a new cycle, a cycle of light, of peace, of justice, without diseases, nor wickedness. A kingdom for the just, for those elected among thousands, for the ones who vibrate at unison with the tune of the Cosmos.

Whether we reach the 5th dimension through death is another thing we can discuss.

Regardless, I have been definitely going through some sort of spiritual evolution which is bigger and more important than what I had usually thought of as being 'spiritual evolution'. It was triggered very intensely on my 18th birthday during the effects of potent magic mushroooms. Anyways, point is, I am usually not at my computer (usually making/listening to music, or forced by institutions to do my homework or go to work), but I definitely felt the need to find atleast some answers to the evolution; and what I found was this widespread 'love revolution'.

It was astonashing and I feel as though I can play my part in something I had deep down wished for to be this big. As Terrence McKenna would put it, if we each contribute a piece of the puzzle (self-discovery) to the building of a new paradigm then we are participating in the redemption of the human soul. In any degree, this whole thing is mind boggling in many ways, yet I believe that if I am in the same boat as everyone feeling this wave of higher consciousness then we should embrace the unknown events heading towards us as a new and unique experience and in fact a blessing of the highest degree. Though, I definitely still agree that the idea of the Earth flooding all life is scary, but this might be part of something we cannot fathom which gives us an opportunity to join into an angelic realm which transcends space and time... through death...?

To be honest, the requirements for this transcendence seem very sketchy to me; many people say that only those are spiritually awake will move on, or even only a select few thousands among the billions. Does this mean we have to reach some sort of spiritual purity to go into the 5th dimension, or do we literally have to be chosen by external powers, or if we are simply aware and open to the doors of perspective we will be able to participate in this transformation? The questions and the possibilities are endless, but I think all we can know for sure, is that we are a part of something, and though we do not know what it is or exactly where it will take us, it is there...

Can people give me their perspectives on the whole thing? It would definitely seem important to share ideas.

[whiterain]

hi dras welcome. cheers for the good first post. id say we all get the choice of what happens when we move on. whether we have to be sufficiently advanced or not i dont know, but i feel its open to all. from my experience i went into the other side not being at all spiritual or trained or advanced and even i eventually made it past the ego (at least temporarily :rolleyes:) and into an amazing realm that can only be described as heaven/nirvana whatever term you want

[dras]

thanks :)

[gooseone]

I'd like to think the shift will be that more people will listen to their true feelings instead of the ego which listens more to what other people think about them.
if this kind of thinking will incorporate the majorety of human kind and you include some free energy inventions...that's ascension enough for me :D

[element]

Has anyone here studied the Mayan calendar and sources? Talked with genuine people who still live by Mayan beliefs etc.?

To me it all looks like money making business. 21-12-2012 is a catchy date.
The future can't be fully predicted, and cosmological events can't be put on a certain date. People have been trying to mix math with spirituality but time as we know it only exists here, in other dimensional realities it is totally different. The speed of time is dependant on other dimensions.
2012 ascension is similar to believing in a saviour. It is an outside force that will save you.
If we can't take responsibility of our own actions we certainly won't be saved, imo.

[pipsicle]

I think the time cannot be accurately predicted. It depends on what we do. One theory is a small number of people (small relatively speaking: about 144,000) need to become nirvanically enlightened in order for the whole earth to shift. I think 144,000 is still an awful lot considering how many of us are ego-driven to some degree.

A competing theory is that a shift will be sudden. People who are unenlightened but have done a lot of preparation and groundwork may be given a "boost" from sourced unknown.

Could I ask the poster who took magic muchrooms how they feel the drugs had an awakening effect?

[dras]

Could I ask the poster who took magic muchrooms how they feel the drugs had an awakening effect?

Yeah that was me. I took the shrooms at exactly midnight, the second I became 18 in society's eyes, so my first 8 hours being no longer a minor were under potent psychadelic effects.
The awakening effect of the drug started happening after an adventure sometime like 3 hours in. Pretty much, it was like my mind had been litterally torn open to let in all this information that pointed me towards some kind of ego-death. The truth was right in my face and I couldn't deny it, I knew I wouldn't be the same coming out of the trip.
But the change didnt happen AS SOON as I got out of the trip; I knew it was I guess you say a 'divine' experience, I just had to interpret. Indeed analyzing and realizing are 2 compeltely different things, and after like a month and a half of analyzing, I started realizing some of the messages of my trip, and the evolution hasn't stopped since.
Not sure if this is much of an answer, but yeah... it was a pretty awakening experience.

[astrochicken]

Yeah that was me. I took the shrooms at exactly midnight, the second I became 18 in society's eyes, so my first 8 hours being no longer a minor were under potent psychadelic effects.



Way to go.

Fucking good start to becoming big and sensible !!!

;)