Private Policing in Southampton - done deal

[shepherdess]

They have now gone from forced fluoridation against public consent, with refusal to referendum due to costs.....

To private policing, paid for by the community due to the repeated failure of the policing service.

The 3rd sector have gently elbow nudged the public towards not only accepting private policing but paying for it from thier own pockets! (Brian Gerrish says Southampton is riddled with Common purpose!)

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4532273.Hundreds_to_pay_for_their_own____police___ _in_Southampton/

ARRRRGGGG....I think Im gonna do an "Alex Jones" Fizzy Fit.

[djhooker]

just goes to show how stupid people can be if they agree to this shit.

[lookfar]

The link crashed my internet, so I'll have another go at looking in a mo...

FFS, it doesn't sound good though does it!!:mad:

[kweli]

They have now gone from forced fluoridation against public consent, with refusal to referendum due to costs.....

To private policing, paid for by the community due to the repeated failure of the policing service.

The 3rd sector have gently elbow nudged the public towards not only accepting private policing but paying for it from thier own pockets! (Brian Gerrish says Southampton is riddled with Common purpose!)

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4532273.Hundreds_to_pay_for_their_own____police___ _in_Southampton/

ARRRRGGGG....I think Im gonna do an "Alex Jones" Fizzy Fit.

Unbelievable! Are people really that scared that they're actually willing to pay private firms for these extreme levels of policing? Who the hell wants to live in a society like this!

" MORE than 300 Southampton residents have agreed to pay for private “cops” to protect them from crime.

And bosses behind the controversial new community patrol service hope many more will follow after a free three-day trial which gets under way in Shirley today.

Four uniformed security officers equipped with handcuffs and stab vests will be showing residents what they can expect if they agree to pay £3.15 a week or a one-off annual payment of £163.80.

The full Atraks service will include dedicated patrols of eight officers up to 60 times every 24 hours in every community that signs up, special patrols outside schools, escorts to shops and banks, emergency response to alarms and other incidents, and dog handlers to disperse street gangs. "

[lookfar]

Just read it now. This is absolutely crazy, I don't believe the area is really that unsafe to warrant that sort of action! WTF are we all paying Council Tax for as that pays for the police? £2.73 for a Hampsire resident goes towards policing and they're asking another £3.15 a week for this, WTF?:confused:

People are really being manipulated by fear & it's not good!:mad:

[djhooker]

they have a similar thing in manchester, 'community support officers' however they're funded by the council, like hyped up traffic wardens on new deal.

[lookfar]

they have a similar thing in manchester, 'community support officers' however they're funded by the council, like hyped up traffic wardens on new deal.

I believe these are also in Southampton too & funded by the council, so that's another reason why this extra "protection" isn't required.

[secret66mechanism]

perhaps the council will sell some of there precious pieces of art work they have locked away to help fund this :rolleyes: or they could use that money to pay for the police new HQ thats currently under construction near west quay

[pduffy4]

The Police Forces are already private companies. This is another way to screw more money from people.

How do they stop criminals getting jobs in these private firms when some Police have convictions for various crimes as has been reported before?

What is to stop these private plods coming into your home and dropping some drugs in a drawer and either blackmailing you into handing them money or calling crime stoppers for a reward?

The whole thing stinks just like the government etc:mad:

[Ian2day]

Perhaps they could be encouraged to investigate the other lot who wear blue.

[windeyaho]

fear,fearfearFEAR, that's all I see here, a manipulative use of fear (False Evidence Appearing Real). How do we know this community actually hired these private watchdogs? Where's the record of the vote to do so? Where's the contract? Are they simply being "railroaded" into it while the provider of the service dips into the community coffers or is it legit? I don't know the area. I don't know what problems the citizens face. I do know that if you can get people fearful enough, they will believe anything.

"Take away all my rights, but keep me SAFE".

[blueyonder2012]

PURE ORWELLIAN STYLE!!!!!!!!!!!


:eek::eek:

[lookfar]

fear,fearfearFEAR, that's all I see here, a manipulative use of fear (False Evidence Appearing Real). How do we know this community actually hired these private watchdogs? Where's the record of the vote to do so? Where's the contract? Are they simply being "railroaded" into it while the provider of the service dips into the community coffers or is it legit? I don't know the area. I don't know what problems the citizens face. I do know that if you can get people fearful enough, they will believe anything.

"Take away all my rights, but keep me SAFE".

I got told by someone who lives in the area today that they had leaflets distributed to them & people knocking on their doors about it all.

The area has recently seen a large boom in immigrant housing (not that I'm implying any of this is related to that of course) plus I've heard stories of large gangs of youths carrying weapons etc, but surely this a similar scenario over most of the UK now? Why is this particular area so different? It's hardly a crimewatch capital FFS, lol!:rolleyes:

But you can guarantee that now it's been allowed to happen here, it'll no doubt be moving to other towns & cities soon too, (which I'm sure is what they wanted to happen in the first place!). "Let's instill fear into the people all the more - swine flu hasn't really worked, let's hit them by feeling threatened in their homes!":mad:

[eternalwheel]

Just doing a few calculations:

The population of the Shirley Estate consists of approximately 1,693 people living in 861 households. This constitutes 0.78% of the total population of Southampton, 217,445, on Census day 29th April 2001.
Source:http://www.southampton.gov.uk/Images/11.%20Shirley%20Estate_tcm46-165436.pdf

Probably not changed that much in 8 years.

Supposing 50% of these 861 households signs up (and I think 50% is being ridiculously optimistic) : 431 x 163.80 (annual charge) = £70597.80

The full Atraks service will include dedicated patrols of eight officers up to 60 times every 24 hours in every community that signs up, special patrols outside schools, escorts to shops and banks, emergency response to alarms and other incidents, and dog handlers to disperse street gangs.
Salaries, infrastructure and all other overheads and running costs for 70 grand?
I don't fucking think so! Something else is going on.

[lookfar]

Just doing a few calculations:

Source:http://www.southampton.gov.uk/Images/11.%20Shirley%20Estate_tcm46-165436.pdf

Probably not changed that much in 8 years.

Supposing 50% of these 861 households signs up (and I think 50% is being ridiculously optimistic) : 431 x 163.80 (annual charge) = £70597.80

Salaries, infrastructure and all other overheads and running costs for 70 grand?
I don't fucking think so! Something else is going on.

Blimey, when you work it out like that, there's gotta be something else going on there!

Although to be fair, there has been a rather large increase in residents in the Southampton area (especially Shirley) since 2001. Even over the last 2 years it's been considerable (lots of old houses knocked down & larger apartment buildings erected in their place), so I'm sure those figures would be somewhat higher, but I bet it still doesn't really add up when you do the figures! Hmmm "Common Purpose" anyone?:rolleyes:

[cpfc12]

This happened on the stonebridge park estate in north west london, they got bouncers to work as security guards, can't remember if it worked or not, but that estate did need extra protection trust me !
Taxi drivers wouldn't pick up fares there as so many where robbed at gun point.

[lookfar]

This happened on the stonebridge park estate in north west london, they got bouncers to work as security guards, can't remember if it worked or not, but that estate did need extra protection trust me !
Taxi drivers wouldn't pick up fares there as so many where robbed at gun point.

Well that's understandable if an area is that bad, but the one in question DEFINITELY isn't!

[kryst]

Just shows how shitty the policing we currently pay for is...

We're paying it from our own pockets either way, so private is just the natural solution to people.

[cpfc12]

Just shows how shitty the policing we currently pay for is...

We're paying it from our own pockets either way, so private is just the natural solution to people.

Well the criminal is given better priority than the victim
AND YES IT IS SO FUCK OFF YOU MIDDLE CLASS LIBERAL TOSSERS WHO CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND DESPITE GROWING UP IN SOME LARGE HOUSE IN SURREY

[cpfc12]

With all fairness crime and anti social behaviour isn't all the police's fault, the only way they could get rid of it by themselves is by going china all over their arses, but people on this board would be quick to cry police brutality on those poor innocent youth.
Anyway like i was saying, blaming the police on crime such as this, is like blaming doctors and nurses for car accidents, its something to do with our society in the whole, social services, charities, health services, local councils, you name it, all have to join together to prevent behaviour such as this. Its easy to say harder punishments (although its justice for the victim) but it is not going to act as a deterrant neither is it going to prevent future youth from behaving in the same way.
Personally i can't see the problem with using local security firms in large estates, although it is an issue, and doesn't make the area look good, you can't blame people for wanting it. If i had some 7ft apeman scaring away the little cunts where i live who choose to harass the eldery and vulnerable, then i would be laughing. Oh yes i know i may sound cruel, but when you have had to put up with these bullys for years upon years and see the effects they have on the community, you can't help but see them put down to earth :D

[lookfar]

Those are valid points cpfc12, but the main thing here from my pov is the fact that they're asking the residents to pay for this extra service out of their own pockets, when this sort of issue is already being paid for in council tax each month as police funding. Also I believe it's down the the council to provide the extra cover, where necessary, like they already do in some other areas of the city.

They're playing on peoples fear to make them cough up more money. Will Southampton residents see a reduction in their council tax bill next year for not having the correct amount of cover required in these areas? You can bet your last penny that they won't!

[shepherdess]

Although to be fair, there has been a rather large increase in residents in the Southampton area (especially Shirley) since 2001. Even over the last 2 years it's been considerable (lots of old houses knocked down & larger apartment buildings erected in their place), so I'm sure those figures would be somewhat higher, but I bet it still doesn't really add up when you do the figures! Hmmm "Common Purpose" anyone?

There are quite a few new polish families in South Shirley.

The biggest problem of all are the Warren and Millbrook lot. They run completely amuck. The police know that they know the system and dont really bother with them if at all possible. The police like to take an extraordinary amount of time to respond by which time the ambulance men have usually dealt with any issues by taking people off to hospital.

The warreners are especially a big problem as the often use the "travellers" ethnic origin to make use of all sorts of services that with make things especially difficult for the police to deal with. However, they are not travellers. They are long term unemployed pony owners and the only travelling they do is to the pubs.

These areas are not full of bad people just a select few families who have become interlinked by marriage and unfortunately because of the things they and their children do, other people refuse housing in the area, concentrating the bad families.

The police cant be bothered with the hassle. Infact, when my father was beaten up by 4 of them in his own front garden after they had left one of these pubs where most of the trouble is, they took 45 minutes to respond. Only 2 were charged.
Then, when the court case came up, the accused didnt arrive because the police forgot to collect one from prison and the other was ill...the policeman said he knew that was true as he had arrested him for being drunk and violent the night before.

Shirley police are an enormous failure. Infact, if you are in Shirley, you will see all sorts of policeman looking characters....parking attendents PCO's....rarely a real copper though. And now there will be these gangster bouncers most of whom will be "tight" with their mates who will be causing the problems!!!

[kanz]

The Police Forces are already private companies. This is another way to screw more money from people.

How do they stop criminals getting jobs in these private firms when some Police have convictions for various crimes as has been reported before?

What is to stop these private plods coming into your home and dropping some drugs in a drawer and either blackmailing you into handing them money or calling crime stoppers for a reward?

The whole thing stinks just like the government etc:mad:

They don't, most likely these sort of things are run by these people , same with taxis , good way to hide money. It's either done by criminals ( oddly enough if this is the case i bet the crime will stop because of one reason or another) , or it will be a legit firm more than likely hireing people who can't do the job.

As far as I can see these guys arnt real cops , so all they can do is a citizens arrest? I mean cmon they better be gangsters or they will just become new game for the gangs.

[loderlive]

You can pay these guys £3.15 a week to look after you LoL.

Do you trust them?

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Aug/Week1/15356481.jpg

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Upper-Shirley-Shouthampton-May-Hire-Own-Police-Private-Security-Firm-Atraks-Undergo-Free-Trial/Article/200908115356469?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Page_Featu re_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15356469_Upper_Shirley%2C_Shouthampton %2C_May_Hire_Own_Police%3A_Private_Security_Firm_A traks_Undergo_Free_Trial

[process]

You can pay these guys £3.15 a week to look after you LoL.

Do you trust them?

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Aug/Week1/15356481.jpg

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Upper-Shirley-Shouthampton-May-Hire-Own-Police-Private-Security-Firm-Atraks-Undergo-Free-Trial/Article/200908115356469?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Page_Featu re_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15356469_Upper_Shirley%2C_Shouthampton %2C_May_Hire_Own_Police%3A_Private_Security_Firm_A traks_Undergo_Free_Trial


No i wouldn't..

[ustane]

they have a similar thing in manchester, 'community support officers' however they're funded by the council, like hyped up traffic wardens on new deal.

In Nottingham the same, wearing a blue jacket

[decim]

A parallel 'police' force is asking for trouble.

[atraks]

Just read it now. This is absolutely crazy, I don't believe the area is really that unsafe to warrant that sort of action! WTF are we all paying Council Tax for as that pays for the police? £2.73 for a Hampsire resident goes towards policing and they're asking another £3.15 a week for this, WTF?:confused:

People are really being manipulated by fear & it's not good!:mad:

You should really try to live in council estates where youth packing 5" blade and robbing people at knife point is an all to common problem, to police cant be bothered to protect the public, I hate the police so why not give them a run for their money, problem is i do a far better job, SO WTF are you breezin on about

[atraks]

Just doing a few calculations:


Source:http://www.southampton.gov.uk/Images/11.%20Shirley%20Estate_tcm46-165436.pdf

Probably not changed that much in 8 years.

Supposing 50% of these 861 households signs up (and I think 50% is being ridiculously optimistic) : 431 x 163.80 (annual charge) = £70597.80


Salaries, infrastructure and all other overheads and running costs for 70 grand?
I don't fucking think so! Something else is going on.

Did you fail to meantion the Atraks scheme is a non profitable organisation because it goes against your conspriracy???

[shepherdess]

What a load of Balls...

The "shirley estate" is what is commonly termed by us lot who lived there as "the warren".

The COUNCIL has continuosly moved in "travellers" who never actually travel anywhere and who have never lived in any caravans! Infact the only caravan I have seen moving there was the one they pushed onto warren avenue and set light to !

These people claim benefits at each others houses while living together as couples AND "work" on the side which can be anything from robbing the local shop and selling it on to people who cant refuse for fear of being considered "a grass" or selling stolen cars to odd days of cash in hand labour work.

Virtually NONE of them are "single mothers" as most have a partner who is just not listed as being at the house. Many of them claim extra benefits for ADHD kids and astmatic kids in much the same way Lizzie Bardsley did.

There are no asians, because this group of people who are so "poorly treated" smash and burn them out of their homes and then rob them while they take a break to get away. Witness/victim support will not return to the area either and I have witness them call for police escort to leave....usually to full and camera'd riot vehicles!

The cars are nearly always unregistered, untaxed and uninsured and often driven by kids as well as adults. The police dont go there and I know for a FACT that these Atraks lot wont go there unless they are relatives to the society.

Now the council cant touch them as they claim "racism" against travellers and use the association to defend their lifestyle and always move the victimised familys out to leave empty houses which this lot of interbreeding rabbits then get due to no one else wanting them.

They give true travellers a very bad name, and do not carry any of the family values true travellers have.

this is what they get up to : claiming to be attacked by a police man - poor good little boy
http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/2103556.print/
and the same boy:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4770495.Crack_a_crime_this_Christmas_with_the_Dail y_Echo/
and again:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4850850.print/
His grandma, mentioned in the first was arrestted a little while after on drugs and firearms offences! and was also "done" for making racist comments at a football match.
I spose his aunt might be a better person to ask?:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-470827/Model-left-scarred-life-unprovoked-nightclub-glassing.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2581139.stm

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4466220.Pensioner_s_horrific_attack_by_13_year_old _boy/

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4033422.Knife_man_on_the_run/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1558156.stm

http://www.citylocal.co.uk/cities/Fareham/news/article/17390/

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/7984384.Burglar_got_into_pub_fight_while_on_bail/

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/5032526.30_white_van_drivers_targeted_across_South ampton/

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Girl-abused-by-man-she-met-online.htm

[shepherdess]

Average house prices in upper shirley where these guys are working, where crime rate is very low : £300K (£500K in feb 08)

Average in the warren (aka coxford, shirley warren and maybush - as people dont like to say they are from the warren, it gives them a bad name) : £100k

Average for southampton as a whole £214K

They arent policing dangerous areas!

[atraks]

I own and run Atraks, otherwise known as Hampshire crime prevention schemes limited, this company offers what the police cant be bothered to do, protect families, young kids from ludicrous and dangerour criminals. My company was brought into exsistance becuase I hate the police, riddled with currupt back channeling comunist bastards. I have trained my small team to be effective in was they do, by having them trained by PNIA in all aspects of policing techinques, although we are not the police we all have a power of arrest and if used corectly if very effective. My NTIPDU and NASDU tarined dogs have been the centre of most debates, I have saved many police and pcso's from a beating whilst being on patrol with my dog.

If anyone of you doubt our effectivness then tell that to the coutless amounts of satisfied customers.

[lookfar]

You should really try to live in council estates where youth packing 5" blade and robbing people at knife point is an all to common problem, to police cant be bothered to protect the public, I hate the police so why not give them a run for their money, problem is i do a far better job, SO WTF are you breezin on about

Well I do infact live in one so I am talking from experience. Although my estate is obviously not as bad as the one you mention as I've never seen/heard of that before (although I also don't read papers very often so may have missed that).

I understand how police no longer have the resources to protect the public & that is a big concern. What I was shocked about was the fact that we all pay council tax (some of that money goes to policing), so if there is a real need (as you say) for the extra patrols from your company, why the hell does this have to come at a charge of £3.15 per person, per week? Surely the money should come from the council. Also how many households are paying this amount each week?

That's rather harsh for you to say that you "hate the police" imo, especially as your company is meant to be working alongside them - is there a particular reason for this hatred that you'd care to share with us?

[lookfar]

I own and run Atraks, otherwise known as Hampshire crime prevention schemes limited, this company offers what the police cant be bothered to do, protect families, young kids from ludicrous and dangerour criminals. My company was brought into exsistance becuase I hate the police, riddled with currupt back channeling comunist bastards. I have trained my small team to be effective in was they do, by having them trained by PNIA in all aspects of policing techinques, although we are not the police we all have a power of arrest and if used corectly if very effective. My NTIPDU and NASDU tarined dogs have been the centre of most debates, I have saved many police and pcso's from a beating whilst being on patrol with my dog.

If anyone of you doubt our effectivness then tell that to the coutless amounts of satisfied customers.

You say that you "have a power of arrest..." however The Daily Mail article attached from 7 Aug 09 below doesn't state that. It says:

"Atraks officers will not have any powers other than those afforded to all citizens."

Surely that means that all your company is doing is patrolling the streets as a deterrent? If something serious did happen then the police would need to be called for it to be dealt with. Infact I discovered upon googling your company, that you've recently been cleared at court for two accounts of "impersonating a police officer" in recycled police clothing, which I did find ironic considering your previous comments about "hating the police". Full article here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4697235.Private_security_guard_guilty_of_dressing_ as_police_officer/?action=complain&cid=8063528

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204819/Neighbours-hire-police-force-3-week.html#ixzz0tg3CNFrl

I found this quote below the article quite interesting too:

FACT: Security firm,s only have the rights of citizens arrest, the same as any of us,( P.A.C.E. 1984) and only if a crime has been committed, not before, or on suspicion of crime, they would be liable for illegal arrest or detention, they can not use handcuffs or force, its all bluff, living off your fears..a waste of your money.

- H, wales, 07/8/2009 11:41