d,l,a payments to stop !!

[garyhartill]

:mad:there is a green paper being pushed through on the hush hush ! that d,l,a (disability living allowance) which was created to give disabled people an independent life . Now they plan to take this payment away from the person and give it to local authority to give out services which they consider important :mad:, I implore everyone to write to their MPs to tell them you will not vote for them if they agree with this move , this is so important as it is another move to take our money and control of our own life's away

[bones]

:mad:there is a green paper being pushed through on the hush hush ! that d,l,a (disability living allowance) which was created to give disabled people an independent life . Now they plan to take this payment away from the person and give it to local authority to give out services which they consider important :mad:, I implore everyone to write to their MPs to tell them you will not vote for them if they agree with this move , this is so important as it is another move to take our money and control of our own life's away


link, pls...

[i_am]

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/disability-living-allowance-(dla)/dla-aa-cuts

[nicolaj]

Another example of this government taking control away from people, this is disgusting, people simple will not be able to live if this extra money is taken away.
we all know what will happen if the LA run things, they can't run anything properly now.

Yet they can give the banks millions of our money and let them decide what they want to do with it!
i shall be emaling john spellar about this not that he is any good at all, he is totaly useless and a waste of space.

[comma berenices]

This goverment can't sink any lower,this stinks,i'm outraged.

LA running people's lives is a no no,common purpose at work here again.

Iv'e signed up to the link provided,a few minutes of your time a week to send out e-mails to campaign against this move is a small gesture.They need a thousand people.

A letter to my MP will be winging it's way to him shortly.

Disgusting:mad:

[garyhartill]

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/disability-living-allowance-(dla)/dla-aa-cuts
only just got the link , thanks for support will need lots to stop this :)

[pduffy4]

:mad:there is a green paper being pushed through on the hush hush ! that d,l,a (disability living allowance) which was created to give disabled people an independent life . Now they plan to take this payment away from the person and give it to local authority to give out services which they consider important :mad:, I implore everyone to write to their MPs to tell them you will not vote for them if they agree with this move , this is so important as it is another move to take our money and control of our own life's away

I already don't vote for my MP:)

This is just more corruption and theft by our corrupt private government.

We need to create our own government and lawful Constables to serve the people. Damn near impossible to do. I can only get 140 signatures on my ban the swine vaccine petition mostly from people on this site which is a pathetic response.

[pduffy4]

DEPARTMENT FOR WORK & PENSIONS
Also Traded as DWP

https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/ePlatform/servlet/IballValidationCmd?storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&busName=DWP&state=undefined&country=GB&cm_mmc=dnb*home*gws*lookup

ANOTHER PRIVATE COMPANY!!!!!!!!:mad:

SUE THE SHARE HOLDERS!!!!

I signed up to their cause.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/noswinevaccine/

[djbrooks]

I am glad someone brought this up on this forum, many disabled people will lose their independence, I am disgusted with these control freaks.

Please can you all write to your mps about this and go to the website the op has linked.

[bobbydiva]

Oh shit, my mum gets that. She is not an extreme case either (in that she isn't like an amputee or anything) which makes this worse.

[Ian2day]

Are these the direct payments. Whereby you tell the SS that you need a service, and they give you the money to go and purchase it in the open market?

[wildhorse]

when LA get involved in your life, they sift through every minute detail of it.

For Fuck Sake!!

Next they will be 'assessing' if you can/should have babies and children.

DEF common purpose :mad:

[lynfowars]

In my last job I interacted with a lot of people who relied on DLA as their income, for good and genuine reasons.

Some were extremely mentally ill, and essentially hermits, terrified and untrusting of contact with other people. They need that income to function quietly and privately in their own worlds.

These poor souls will of course NOT be able to seek any 'assistance' from any authority as their illness won't let them. Yeah they have a 'choice' but it won't be a free choice, there is a huge difference. The bastard government will say see! no-one wants help and we saved a fortune!!

I will be speaking up for the poor bastards who are about to be turned into isolated paupers who will quietly die 100% socially isolated behind closed doors -which is no doubt just what these bastards want for those 'wasteful eaters'.

Please mention this stuff when you write to your mafia, I mean 'politician'..

I feel murderously angry over this.

[fctilidie]

B*****D!!! we use this aswell as carers to help pay the mortgage because my son needs 24hr care so my wife cant work and we cant live on my wage:eek:

[free_soul]

I rely on that! if it happens ill protest outside of parliment

[godspeed]

FUCKING WAR.......DO NOT DARE TAKE FROM THE POOR OR ROB-ING HOOD WILL RIDE AGAIN............SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOUR GAME.........
SAD SOCIETY SPEAKS AGAIN........:mad:

[elixirsoo]

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/disability-living-allowance-(dla)/dla-aa-cuts

Thank you garyhartill for this thread and i_am for the link. :)

Received 13:52 (GMT)

Many thanks for joining the No More Benefits Cuts campaign.

We had an astonishing 5,245 people sign up in the first 24 hours of the campaign. I confess this has taken us rather by surprise: we thought it would take most of August just to get 1,000.

What happens next?

Over the coming months we’ll be sending out an email each week asking you to do one thing in relation to the campaign. It might be writing to your MP, submitting a response to the green paper, contacting a local disability group and so on.

The emails will be sent out each Tuesday morning with the first one being sent on Tuesday 11 August.

As new people sign up to the campaign they will receive the same emails in the same order that you received them. Once the 100 days are up the emails will stop.

We’ve already been contacted by literally hundreds of people about the campaign and in truth it’s already started without us. Lots of you have been posting on forums, contacting your MPs, writing to papers, emailing TV and radio programmes and generally making an enormous fuss.

Thanks again. And, until next Tuesday, please keep up the good work – you don’t really need us at all.

Best regards,

Steve Donnison
Keep up to date with the no more cuts campaign at:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum?func=showcat&catid=13



The bigger the reaction, to this green paper, the better. People power is effective when enough people move in the same direction. :)

[Ian2day]

Thank you garyhartill for this thread and i_am for the link. :)

Received 13:52 (GMT)



The bigger the reaction, to this green paper, the better. People power is effective when enough people move in the same direction. :)

Like the anti Iraq war demos worked. Taking back this country is whats needed.

[lynfowars]

This will really harm local economies.

People granted the moblity and empowerment DLA provided, trickled that money down into their local shops, communities etc.

Now it will all go to quangos and other fly-by-night private contractors to provide 'services' - even if you don't want them.

This is a disaster on so many levels.

[lynfowars]

which MPs are behind thinking this up or drawing up this Green Paper? Anyone know?

[godspeed]

excuse my anger but i think this as low as the government can go to save money, did not good decent people live and die so the sick poor can live some sort of life........ive already been through interrogations to get me off incap ben and without dla its piss poor benefit and you get more in income support but thats not the point cos i got a voice to fight them....there's plenty of others who are too fragile to even think about fighting for anything........so fight i will for others sake........

[elixirsoo]

Like the anti Iraq war demos worked. Taking back this country is whats needed.

Stopping a green paper is a totally different process than an attempt to prevent a pre-planned war. :confused:

The anti-war demo, prior to the Iraq invasion, was truly unique in my forty years of activism. Never have I seen such a coming together of different classes and culture, as on that occasion. That event actually showed how united people can be when the right reason exists, which I regard as a positive thing. :)

Our current political situation, irrespective of party, is corrupt and what is needed is a form of revolution. The last time anything approaching that scenario was attempted, in this country, was 1839. A change is long overdue. :(

[sir bentley drummle]

I'm disgusted by this

I've joined and already written to my MP today

You can do this by following this link

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

Enter your postcode where it says

Your representative

Find out about your MP/ MSPs/ MLAs

This is yet another shocking policy - everyone whether in receipt or not must protest - it could be you in the future who is disabled through no fault of your own

Many people would end up in care homes without AA or DLA and be unable to live an independent life - pass this on please

Could do with this on the TV news

Does anyone know who the minister for the disabled is I've Googled and can't find it

[comma berenices]

Minister for disabled, Johnathan Shaw.

www.officefordisability.gov.uk

[hawk]

Wow, they're gonna kill us all off and now they want the money,too? Why not just lead everyone out of their houses and shoot them right now? SO far this hasn't happened in the States but I would not be surprised when it does happen. :mad:

[garyhartill]

as you might understand I am attempting to keep this on page 1 for a few days , as this is a big chance for us to push more none belivers that there is a bigger agenda to take freedoms away from folk, and it is one of the first signs for them that might start to understand what is actually going on in the background
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL SUPPORT and write to you local mp stating you will not vote for them if they agree to this big sin , also you will go out of your way to tell others the same
these kn;bs need to know !!!!!!!:mad:

[davew]

I emailed my MP a few days ago after seeing this. I got a reply asking for my address, I haven't heard since ... as I suspected, they are a waste of space! I've pasted the link on as many sites as I can ...
:D

[avaruus]

this is a very disturbing trend happening in many countries right now.

whats the next step? assisted suicide?

[comma berenices]

this is a very disturbing trend happening in many countries right now.

whats the next step? assisted suicide?

Assisted suicide is being discussed in the uk in last week or so,by our politicians:eek:

[avaruus]

Assisted suicide is being discussed in the uk in last week or so,by our politicians:eek:

i guess this was what this years bilderburger meeting was about. :(

[garyhartill]

where you live they will be round like a pack of hounds , dont trust any one in politics:confused::mad:

[sir bentley drummle]

As well as writing to my MP I've forwarded it to as many people as I know and asked them to pass it on - all decent people will by shocked by this - and from a government who purport to want to help disabled people

PASS IT ON PLEASE (Apologies for shouting) :)

[garyhartill]

Dear Hartill,

Shaun Woodward MP thanks you for your email regarding the proposals on
Attendance Allowance contained in the Green Paper, 'Shaping the Future
of Care Together'.

Shaun has noted and appreciates your concerns. Whatever the outcome of
the consultation, which runs until 13 November 2009, the government
wants to ensure that people receiving any of the relevant benefits at
the time of reform would continue to receive an equivalent level of
support and protection, under a new and better care and support system.

You can read more about and contribute your views to the proposals
through either the Big Care Debate website:
http://careandsupport.direct.gov.uk/ or the Green Paper:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/Publicati
onsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_102338

With regards,
Nathalie Spells
Secretary, Shaun Woodward MP:mad:

this is a reply from my local mp , it shows the people will not be asked their thoughts and this thing is to be pushed through in mp,s summer break.
do they not realize the money will NOT come back in services & in couple of months time will be subject to local cutbacks because main gov. will not help & tell them to cut back, DISGUSTING :eek::mad:

[gaznix]

I've joined the campaign which is attracting much needed support. This government continues to stoop lower and lower still. We the people need to come together on this and other issues, as what the PTB want is for us all to struggle. We don't want the SS involved in handling money, jeez, they are as corrupt as the politicians. This campaign is important, so please support it. I am emailing all my contacts as I am sure they too will join our fight.

[enchanted]

I work in a carehome which supports adults with learning difficulties.
We have been told that alot of our people will be put in shared houses out in the community.
I dont think it is a bad thing for thoose that are more independant but if they then loose their dla what will happen to these people.
As far as im aware there has been talk of alot of care homes shutting down only a few left for those with very severe difficulties.
It is all happening under the guise of making peoples lives better.

It really does make me sick, we are being bombarded from all directions.
Now they are targeting those who have no voice and rely on others to voice it for them.

[Ian2day]

I work in a carehome which supports adults with learning difficulties.
We have been told that alot of our people will be put in shared houses out in the community.
I dont think it is a bad thing for thoose that are more independant but if they then loose their dla what will happen to these people.
As far as im aware there has been talk of alot of care homes shutting down only a few left for those with very severe difficulties.
It is all happening under the guise of making peoples lives better.

It really does make me sick, we are being bombarded from all directions.
Now they are targeting those who have no voice and rely on others to voice it for them.

Its a classic case of misdirection. Its also promoting an agenda of eugenics. You can imagine it 'Look at what all these people do when we can't afford to provide care for them. So as we will be skint soon, lets bring in eugenics to ensure that we dont have a heavy burdon on our pockets in the future.' Never mind the bankers bail out. Which will cost us billions for decades to come.

[sir bentley drummle]

Correct me if I'm wrong
Shaun Woodward MP thanks you for your email regarding the proposals on Attendance Allowance contained in the Green Paper, 'Shaping the Future of Care Together'.

I am probably on holiday so I'm sending a second hand reply

Shaun has noted and appreciates your concerns. Whatever the outcome of
the consultation, which runs until 13 November 2009, the government
wants to ensure that people receiving any of the relevant benefits at
the time of reform would continue to receive an equivalent level of
support and protection, under a new and better care and support system.

This is doublespeak for your benefit will cease..............

You can read more about and contribute your views to the proposals
through either the Big Care Debate website:
http://careandsupport.direct.gov.uk/ or the Green Paper:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publications...ions/Publicati
onsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_102338

Don't bother and the second link doesn't work anyway

this is a reply from my local mp , it shows the people will not be asked their thoughts and this thing is to be pushed through in mp,s summer break.
do they not realize the money will NOT come back in services & in couple of months time will be subject to local cutbacks because main gov. will not help & tell them to cut back, DISGUSTING

Gary you are reading my mind ;)

Keep it in the spotlight as much as possible

[ms hope]

More children will be snatched by the SS squad for child trafficking via forced adoption; these are the last bunch of criminals that should be put in charge:mad:

[song_of_susannah]

TPTB are dismantling the welfare system bit by bit, it's all part of the ever encroaching NWO. They start nice and slow with the vulnerable, and work their way up till only the very few extremely privileged have any rights at all, we know this, what are we gonna do about it? We can't ask for our rights, we have to take them, en masse.

[elixirsoo]

...didn't the Nazis start their cull with the disabled and elderly...? :(

[garyhartill]

sir bentley yes you have got it so right , that is what i was thinking , and you have put it so well, NICE ONE !!!!;);)

[hawk]

...didn't the Nazis start their cull with the disabled and elderly...? :(

elixersoo, yes, they did...:eek:

[garyhartill]

I am just keeping this in first pages Iwont say sorry as I consider this a large story & I implore people to get in touch with mps as the yanks do and threaten to take thier job away:mad: plus also get into the link on page 1 they will gather signictures

[comma berenices]

I received my first e-mail yesterday with instuctions.I am now in the middle of e-mailing various charities to make them aware.

I agree it's too important a subject to let this thread get buried.

Ok i thought i would edit this post rather than post another.

I just spoke with a very nice lady at RADAR,they are vigorously opposing this green paper,she is e-mailing me the details of their campaign.

I'll update once i receive it.

[sir bentley drummle]

Well done to all who are participating, lets keep the momentum going and pass the message on - even people who are not affected directly are finding the whole principle disgusting in my experience

I've contacted Age Concern and will post any reply

Can I suggest others contact relevant agencies / charities e.g RNIB Help the Aged etc

[garyhartill]

can you give me any info on radar I i am not sure of what they are would like chat with them to get more info and what to try ?

[comma berenices]

I contacted our local mental health clinic and asked them to put a notice on the notice board in the waiting room,they agreed,the receptionist was disgusted,i also told my neighbour as she is a mental health nurse,she knew nothing about the Proposed changes.

I heard back from RADAR they are the largest Disability campaigning organisation in the UK.
They have a membership of over 9 hundred disability organisations and individual campaigners.

I was sent a paper they have written on the opposition of the proposed changes to benefits,it's wonderful to know such a large organisation is backing the campaign to oppose the changes.

www.radar.org.uk

Very nice and helpful people.

[comma berenices]

bump

[garyhartill]

ta for info , got pm, will respond tonight, there has been 13,800 responces to the link on p,1 in first week they only wanted 1,000 in 1st week
brill work :)

[comma berenices]

ta for info , got pm, will respond tonight, there has been 13,800 responces to the link on p,1 in first week they only wanted 1,000 in 1st week
brill work :)


I checked out the figures yesterday,it certainly put a smile on my face.

I'm really pleased this got the attention it deserved.:D

Just a shame other important issues in this country don't get the same response.

[sir bentley drummle]

All I can say is well done to everyone here who has helped make this known

This is only the beginning though,we need to keep it in the public eye, there are a lot of poor and vulnerable people who need and rely on these benefits these benefits essential

Keep up the good work I'm off now to contact another charity :)

[garyhartill]

I am so pleased about the 100% reaction to this :D you have given me such an insentive to carry the fight , my wife and all the ME sites from where this thread came from also send their thanks , you dont realize how big a ball you have started & needs to be continued , I dont know weather this thread has ran its coures & needs to be moved to general , any ideas , as i am now in contact with numurous charities;) let me know , AGAIN A BIG THANK YOU:)

[comma berenices]

I am so pleased about the 100% reaction to this :D you have given me such an insentive to carry the fight , my wife and all the ME sites from where this thread came from also send their thanks , you dont realize how big a ball you have started & needs to be continued , I dont know weather this thread has ran its coures & needs to be moved to general , any ideas , as i am now in contact with numurous charities;) let me know , AGAIN A BIG THANK YOU:)

This is wonderful news,i'm more hopeful this won't go through,we all need to continue the fight along side each other.

I have to thank you for starting the thread and bringing it to the attention of people.

[wildhorse]

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/disability-living-allowance-(dla)/dla-aa-cuts

bump & sign link (easy peezy)

[bob_jones]

Call me paranid, but i susspect this may yet another attempt to destroy me personally.


For Charles getting me illegally sectioned using bribery was not enough.

When I rebuilt for the thousandth time he had to knock me down again.

He bribed the bio-diesel people to gang stalk me and infect me with candidia 'so he could say' I was disturbed and that causes IBS.


But thanks to a maliciouis diagnosis I get DLA.

So now I'm in hot and sunny France touring with a tent and bicycle and have been having a good time, until today as I,m comming down with shiversand a temperature.

He must think it is dreadful that somone he is trying to murder is off on a sunny jolly.

And almost think the tax payer's money distributed by democracy is his money spent on his pet hate so he can enjoy a tour.


It's all political, New Labour wanted everyone on the sick to hide unemployment.


And sick people spending helps the economy as much as the new Non-Jobs....5 a day vegetable adviser etc!


I hope you people can empathise.

Call me cynical but the psychologiy seems to be that only if you suffer along side me do you care for my suffering.

My healing is painful.

I have had to resurect my earliest child abuse as part of my remolding into the person I want to be.

It's all shooting about my head like a monster.


"Bottle it up!".

It has all come back to me about when I was too young to do up my coat my father whould shout "Bottle it up" in my face to get me to stop crying after his physical and shouting abuse because he wanted to take me into public.


All I seem to do is off load on people? but even to do that I had to convince my "friends" that if they did not let me do it it would blow their cover as agents of Charles, paid not to care.


and so they had to clean up my sick as I was pissed.

Odd as I,m really fun to be with and add a lot of joy to people,s lives.

It,s painful to experience it all again but i will never be able to be affectionate unless i get it healed up.

And then you get a day on the bike in the sun or a castle tour or a good meal and so here there is enough pleaasure for me to deal with all the child abuse.

Execpt today as I seem to be going down with a bug.

Hence the internet cafe and the glass of red wine.

Be cool.

*Bob

[hagbard_celine]

Why is it that we get our benefits cut while the bankers get bailed out for trillions. The govt show their own hypocrisy so blatently!:mad:

[wildhorse]

Call me paranid, but i susspect this may yet another attempt to destroy me personally.


For Charles getting me illegally sectioned using bribery was not enough.

When I rebuilt for the thousandth time he had to knock me down again.

He bribed the bio-diesel people to gang stalk me and infect me with candidia 'so he could say' I was disturbed and that causes IBS.


But thanks to a maliciouis diagnosis I get DLA.

So now I'm in hot and sunny France touring with a tent and bicycle and have been having a good time, until today as I,m comming down with shiversand a temperature.

He must think it is dreadful that somone he is trying to murder is off on a sunny jolly.

And almost think the tax payer's money distributed by democracy is his money spent on his pet hate so he can enjoy a tour.


It's all political, New Labour wanted everyone on the sick to hide unemployment.


And sick people spending helps the economy as much as the new Non-Jobs....5 a day vegetable adviser etc!


I hope you people can empathise.

Call me cynical but the psychologiy seems to be that only if you suffer along side me do you care for my suffering.

My healing is painful.

I have had to resurect my earliest child abuse as part of my remolding into the person I want to be.

It's all shooting about my head like a monster.


"Bottle it up!".

It has all come back to me about when I was too young to do up my coat my father whould shout "Bottle it up" in my face to get me to stop crying after his physical and shouting abuse because he wanted to take me into public.


All I seem to do is off load on people? but even to do that I had to convince my "friends" that if they did not let me do it it would blow their cover as agents of Charles, paid not to care.


and so they had to clean up my sick as I was pissed.

Odd as I,m really fun to be with and add a lot of joy to people,s lives.

It,s painful to experience it all again but i will never be able to be affectionate unless i get it healed up.

And then you get a day on the bike in the sun or a castle tour or a good meal and so here there is enough pleaasure for me to deal with all the child abuse.

Execpt today as I seem to be going down with a bug.

Hence the internet cafe and the glass of red wine.

Be cool.

*Bob

ahhhh Bob...we loves ya whether on the throne or DLA...and you'd look better in a Crown too ;)

[bob_jones]

ahhhh Bob...we loves ya whether on the throne or DLA...and you'd look better in a Crown too ;)


many thanks, and if I win out, it will win a principle for everyone.

You have a right to feel ill but not be totally moribund if you are forced to move.

And I spend a lot of DLA on accidophillus and lots of things E.G Kombucha §6.50 a bottle.

But they soon bribed the health shop in Newcastle Emlyn to give me a dirty box to carry them in.

[sir bentley drummle]

Please put your comments on this proposal (which may well become law without your help) at this link

http://careandsupport.direct.gov.uk/greenpaper/execsum/having-your-say/

Every comment helps
If you are unsure exactly how to phrae it here are some examples

This plan to end or reduce the current benefits paid to elderly and disabled people has not been thought out

can the local authority can provide a service to meet elderly and disabled peoples needs in the way carers do now?

another layer of bureaucracy

counter productive

I see it as an attack on the elderly and disabled


Thanks again for your help - we need to speak out for the elderly,disabled and most vulnerable in society :)

[comma berenices]

carer's save the councils thousands, unpaid family members do this without pay.

How they can justify taking money from the vunerable is beyond my comprehension.

Councils have trouble meeting demands for the elderly and disabled now i cannot see services improving even with more money being made availble to them.

It's greed feeding quango's that are not effectively run.

[ennui]

It's too much interference from the state if we allow local authorities to determine what services to give to people, instead of allowing people to choose for themselves.

The Human Rights Act allows individuals various freedoms and rights, without interference by the state.

We all know how poorly organised most local authorities are.