Britain’s Bravest Soldier: Joe Glenton

[always_rebel]

aangirfan
Wednesday, August 5, 2009

Lance-Corporal Joe Glenton is facing court-martial for refusing to be redeployed to Afghanistan.

He has written to the UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, saying (British Lance-Corporal Joe Glenton refuses to go to Afghanistan):

“The war in Afghanistan is not reducing the terrorist risk.

“Far from improving Afghan lives it is bringing death and devastation to their country.

“Britain has no business there.

“I do not believe that our cause in Afghanistan is just or right.

“I implore you, sir, to bring our soldiers home…

“It is my primary concern that the courage and tenacity of my fellow soldiers has become a tool of American foreign policy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1X9HsotKag

http://www.prisonplanet.com/britains-bravest-soldier-joe-glenton.html

[always_rebel]

Historian Mark Curtis has written: 1. 'Unpeople: Britain’s Secret Human Rights Abuses' (2004) 2. 'Web of Deceit: Britain’s Real Role in the World' (2003) Published by Vintage.

Paul Cochrane, at Worldpress.org , 6 January 2005, (Unpeople, Dirty Wars and a Web of Deceit – Britain’s Foreign ...) reviewed Curtis's books.

He wrote:

According to new research, Britain bears “significant responsibility” since 1945 for the direct or indirect deaths of 8.6 million to 13.5 million people throughout the world from military interventions and at the hands of regimes strongly supported by Britain.

Curtis said he came up with the term “Unpeople” because he thought it adequately described the British government’s attitude towards people who are expendable in Britain’s pursuit of economic and political goals.

“Last year,” Curtis said in a phone interview, “there was a British army officer who was quoted in Iraq as saying the Americans view the Iraqis only as Untermenschen, the Nazi concept of subhuman. In a way, the British have no real different regard for Iraqis than Americans."

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/02/britains-murderous-military.html

[runciter]

This is a speech not made by Gordon Brown.

"I know that this has been a difficult summer.

These sacrifices that have hurt so many families in our country are ones that the whole of Britain will want to acknowledge.

The campaign in Afghanistan is a patriotic duty.

The USA needs to keep the heroin flowing into Europe.

Heroin profits help to finance the CIA's terrorist operations.

The USA needs military bases in Afghanistan, because Afghanistan is next door to Iran, Pakistan, China and other countries that we want to destabilise.

To the north of Afghanistan lie huge quantities of oil and gas.

We want to control the oil, the gas and the pipelines.

When it comes to the threat of terrorist attacks on the streets of Britain, just remember that Britain has a long history of arming and using militant Moslem groups to carry out acts of terrorism.

Britain used militant Moslems in Sumatra to undermine Sukarno.

Britain used the Moslem Brotherhood to undermine nationalists in Egypt, Syria and Iran.

Some of Bin Laden's mujahideen trained in Britain.

And the so-called mastermind of the London tube bombings, Mr Aswat, apparently worked for MI6 in the Balkans.

Our troops are making progress as they attempt to turn Afghanistan into an American colony.

And what about all these Pakis in your neighbourhood?

I can assure you that they are useful as cheap labour; and they mainly vote for Labour.

Some of our leading councillors are Pakis and some have done very well financially, thanks to us.

Remember to fly the flag."

That was a speech not made by Gordon Brown.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/campaign-in-afghanistan-is-patriotic.html

[the itinerant shrubber]

Funny. I havnt seen Joe Glenton mentioned on the BBC or any of the other TV channels. Why would that be...

[steevo]

A HUGE THANK YOU to Joe Glenton.

Hopefully he will be the first of many.

[jammasterj13]

We on this forum should do something to help this guy.
And get his story out as the MSM seem to be keeping this hush hush scared of a snowball effect.

Any suggestions?

[turbine]

If only all our soldiers were like him. They'll be doing everyone a huge favour.

[cafetimes1991]

First of all: Way to go Joe Glenton!
Secondly, I saw it on BBC News 24 the other day.

[wildhorse]

We on this forum should do something to help this guy.
And get his story out as the MSM seem to be keeping this hush hush scared of a snowball effect.

Any suggestions?

absolutely....this guy is a hero and has the ability to save many more lives if he got his wish to bring our boys home.

the MSM are not covering it because the guy has a very valid point, which a lot of the UK share with him. Instead we get bamboozled with crap and distractions.

petitions are a waste of time, but then again, its putting the intention out there in writing.

WAY TA GO, JOE ;)

[steevo]

First of all: Way to go Joe Glenton!
Secondly, I saw it on BBC News 24 the other day.

So they put it on the mainstream media ? :confused:
They need to put it on the BBC1 main news too.

[crowd control]

We on this forum should do something to help this guy.
And get his story out as the MSM seem to be keeping this hush hush scared of a snowball effect.

Any suggestions?


ok 1st draft

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1084/supportb.jpg

Get a wee poster on the go

Feel free to add to it

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[cafetimes1991]

So they put it on the mainstream media ? :confused:
They need to put it on the BBC1 main news too.

I'm 99% certain they showed it on BBC One main news also. But it needs to be seen a lot more.

ok 1st draft

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1084/supportb.jpg

Get a wee poster on the go

Feel free to add to it

.....................................

Excellent poster, crowd control.

[drhemp]

A true British here, not that I would expect for one nano-second for that heartless bastard Brown to respond in a positive way to his letter.

Almost certainly this guy will have to do a jail sentence.

[steevo]

A true British here, not that I would expect for one nano-second for that heartless bastard Brown to respond in a positive way to his letter.

Almost certainly this guy will have to do a jail sentence.

When I showed my other half the video, she said that he would probably get out of going to jail if he pretended to be mentally ill, but if he does that, then he is doing EXACTLY what the PTB would like him to do. I would be willing to bet that he is approached by a very friendly army solicitor who will try and put the idea of faining "mental illness" into his head (pardon the pun).
If there was EVER an occasion when a soldier must stand his ground, THIS is the time to do it.

http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/galleries/blackadder/13/mainImage.jpg

[steevo]

I'm 99% certain they showed it on BBC One main news also. But it needs to be seen a lot more.



It is VERY strange that they put this on the MAINSTREAM MEDIA news :confused:

[runciter]

It is VERY strange that they put this on the MAINSTREAM MEDIA news :confused:

there are good and honest people everywhere, their brainwashing machine is heavily infiltrated.

always expect the unexpected, consider the worst possibilities but attract only the ones you like.

look at things from the future, decide what's the future you prefer... and don't ask yourself "how?".

this doesn't exclude doing practical things, of course :)

[danster82]

We on this forum should do something to help this guy.
And get his story out as the MSM seem to be keeping this hush hush scared of a snowball effect.

Any suggestions?

Well if anyone has their own personal website you can post a piece post in other forums you are a member off, replicate the video and put it under different tags in youtube, make leaflets in your local area asking to support.

[hagbard_celine]

aangirfan
Wednesday, August 5, 2009

Lance-Corporal Joe Glenton is facing court-martial for refusing to be redeployed to Afghanistan.

He has written to the UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, saying (British Lance-Corporal Joe Glenton refuses to go to Afghanistan):

“The war in Afghanistan is not reducing the terrorist risk.

“Far from improving Afghan lives it is bringing death and devastation to their country.

“Britain has no business there.

“I do not believe that our cause in Afghanistan is just or right.

“I implore you, sir, to bring our soldiers home…

“It is my primary concern that the courage and tenacity of my fellow soldiers has become a tool of American foreign policy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1X9HsotKag

http://www.prisonplanet.com/britains-bravest-soldier-joe-glenton.html

At last. A real hero!:cool::)

[jammasterj13]

I'm 99% certain they showed it on BBC One main news also. But it needs to be seen a lot more.



Excellent poster, crowd control.
Thanks man gonna print it out and glue a few round Chorlton. Another midnight tryst with the devil.:D

See what the reaction is.

[drhemp]

Another British hero, RAF doctor, Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith, was sent to jail back in 2006 for refusing to go to Iraq. He compared the actions of US forces to those of Nazi Germany.

Read more ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/apr/14/iraq.military

[steevo]

Another British hero, RAF doctor, Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith, was sent to jail back in 2006 for refusing to go to Iraq. He compared the actions of US forces to those of Nazi Germany.

Read more ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/apr/14/iraq.military

I wonder what Amnesty International do in these situations. Probably NOTHING.

[cafetimes1991]

I wonder what Amnesty International do in these situations. Probably NOTHING.

Hmmm. I don't see anything on their UK website.
Maybe we could try ringing them. +44 (0) 20 7033 1500

[steevo]

Hmmm. I don't see anything on their UK website.
Maybe we could try ringing them. +44 (0) 20 7033 1500

I found this on his Wiki page :-

Kendall-Smith was released early from his eight month prison sentence in mid-June 2006. On his release, he was tagged and placed under daily curfew from 6.30 pm. These restrictions continued until September 2006. Kendall-Smith has been banned from having any contact with the media until December 2006

[drhemp]

I remember there was an anti war meeting a year or so ago at the Civic Hall in Totnes and Kendall-Smith gave a pre-recorded video message to the audiance.

[marpat]

Another British hero, RAF doctor, Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith, was sent to jail back in 2006 for refusing to go to Iraq. He compared the actions of US forces to those of Nazi Germany.

Read more ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/apr/14/iraq.military

Things is though that if he felt so badly about it he should have resigned his commision, which is within his rights as an officer. Instead he kept doing his job and getting paid for it until it was his turn to go there, then he bottled it. I think the real reason in not moral duty but cowardice.

[marpat]

I wonder what Amnesty International do in these situations. Probably NOTHING.

Why should they? that doctor could have resigned and walked away if he felt strongly enough.

[steevo]

Why should they? that doctor could have resigned and walked away if he felt strongly enough.

Did he have that option and what would have been the consequences of doing that ? Also, is he not allowed the freedom of speech whist being employed by the army ? If not, why not ? Is it to suppress the truth ?

[resistance]

Things is though that if he felt so badly about it he should have resigned his commision, which is within his rights as an officer. Instead he kept doing his job and getting paid for it until it was his turn to go there, then he bottled it. I think the real reason in not moral duty but cowardice.

He's a coward? maybe he just doesn't like the thought of dropping bombs on people?

[steevo]

Things is though that if he felt so badly about it he should have resigned his commision, which is within his rights as an officer. Instead he kept doing his job and getting paid for it until it was his turn to go there, then he bottled it. I think the real reason in not moral duty but cowardice.

It takes REAL BRAVERY to stand your ground and to do what you feel is right under immense pressure, and that is what Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith did.

[resistance]

That's right it takes a lot more courage to stand up to them on moral grounds rather than do something that is against your morals. I bet plenty of people in the services are questioning this war, and I think we are going to see more and more breaking ranks.

[marpat]

Did he have that option and what would have been the consequences of doing that ? Also, is he not allowed the freedom of speech whist being employed by the army ? If not, why not ? Is it to suppress the truth ?

Actually officers are allowed to resign their commission. The rules are different for lower ranks. They always have that option.

While in the forces you are supposed to be apolitical although you are allowed to vote. Personally I tend to say what I think. At the end of the day they cant punish you for spekaing your mind.

[marpat]

He's a coward? maybe he just doesn't like the thought of dropping bombs on people?

As an RAF doctor he would not actually be dropping any bombs. He would in all likelihood not even carry a weapon.

I think he is wrong to refuse to go there yet wait until his notification came up before he acted, while being paid loads of money in the meantime. They get paid very well.

[marpat]

It takes REAL BRAVERY to stand your ground and to do what you feel is right under immense pressure, and that is what Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith did.

If he felt like that after his earlier tours he should have resigned then. I guess he just wanted to keep getting loads of money from the RAF until his next tour came up before he decided it was a moral issue.

[steevo]

I think he is wrong to refuse to go there yet wait until his notification came up before he acted, while being paid loads of money in the meantime. They get paid very well.

Your opinion is noted. As is yourr straw man argument.

[steevo]

If he felt like that after his earlier tours he should have resigned then. I guess he just wanted to keep getting loads of money from the RAF until his next tour came up before he decided it was a moral issue.

He "should" have resigned "should" he ? Who says so ?

Yes you can KEEP guessing Marpat. What are your guesses based on Marpat ? - Your OWN morals perhaps ?

[hagbard_celine]

Things is though that if he felt so badly about it he should have resigned his commision, which is within his rights as an officer. Instead he kept doing his job and getting paid for it until it was his turn to go there, then he bottled it. I think the real reason in not moral duty but cowardice.

Why don't you hand him a white feather!:rolleyes::(

A lot of people have to face ordeals that are frightening and dangerous, not just soldiers (contrary to popular belief if you read The Sun:rolleyes::D:p). Sometimes the prospect overwhealms us and we turn away. We don't habitually say harsh things about non-soldiers who do that. I don't think anybody should be condemned for that and called names. "Cowardice" is another Orwellian dysphemism.

[hagbard_celine]

Oops:o, I forgot to say my main point:

Marpat, you don't know for sure that he's motivated by selfish intents. After all he's not up for front line combat, as you said. Just because he didn't resign his commission is not an immediate black mark on his sincerity. Maybe he still wanted to be in the army, but just disapproved of the War on Terror.