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real6
05-08-2009, 07:02 PM
Would like to know has anyone heard of this and what are your thoughts?

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http://www.nmcservices.net/strawman.html


Your straw man is an artificial person-Take back your Strawman today!!!

Your straw man (Strawman) is an artificial person created by law at the of your birth, the inscription of an ALL-CAPITAL LETTERS NAME on your birth certificate/document, which is a document of title and a negotiable instrument. Your lawful, Christian name of birthright was replaced with a legal, corporate name of deceit and fraud. Your name in upper and lower case letters (Jane Mary Doe) has been answering when the legal person, your name in ALL-CAPTIAL LETTERS (JANE MARY DOE), is addressed, and therefore the two have been recognized as being one and the same. When, you Jane Mary Doe, the lawful being distinguish yourself as another party than the legal person, the two will be separated.

Legally, since your birth your artificial person, has been considered a slave or indentured servant to the various federal, provincial and municipal governments via your STATE-issued, STATE-created birth certificate in the name of your all-caps person. Your birth certificate was issued so that the issuer could claim "exclusive" title to the legal person created. This was further compounded when you voluntarily obtained a driver's license and a SSN (Social Security Number). The state even owns your personal and private life through your STATE-issued marriage license/certificate issued in the all-caps names. You have had no rights in birth, marriage, nor will you have them even in death unless you re-capture your straw man. (The names on tombstones in cemeteries are in all-caps.) The STATE holds the title to your legal person it created via your birth certificate, until Jane Mary Doe, the rightful owner, the holder in due course of the instrument, that is yourself, reclaims/redeems it.

On April 5, 1933, then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, under Executive Order, issued April 5, 1933, declared: "All persons are required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933 all Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, & Gold Certificates now owned by them to a Federal Reserve Bank, branch or agency, or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System."

James A. Farley, Postmaster General at that time, required each postmaster in the country to post a copy of the Executive Order in a conspicuous place within each branch of the Post Office. On the bottom of the posting was the following:

CRIMINAL PENALTIES for VIOLATION of EXECUTIVE ORDER

$10, 000 fine or 10 years imprisonment, or both, as provided in Section 9 of the order.

Section 9 of the order reads as follows: "Whosoever willfully violates any provisions of this Executive Order or of these regulations or of any rule, regulation or license issued thereunder may be fined not more than $10,000, or if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both; & any officer, director or agency of any corporation who knowingly participates in any such violation may be punished by a like fine, imprisonment, or both.

NOTE: Stated within a written document received September 17, 1997, from the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Legal Counsel, Office of the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Richard L. Shiffin, in response to a FOIA, was the following: "A fact that is frequently overlooked is that Executive Orders & proclamations of the President normally have no direct effect upon private persons or their property, & instead, normally constitute only directives or instructions to officers or employees of the Federal Government. The exception is those cases in which the President is expressly authorized or required by laws enacted by the Congress to issue an Executive order or proclamation dealing with the legal rights or obligations of members of the public. Such as issuance of Selective Service Regulations, establishment of boards to investigate certain labor disputes, & establishment of quotas or fees with respect to certain imports into this country."

Note: it seems rather obvious that President Franklin D. Roosevelt was not "expressly authorized or required" to "issue an Executive Order or proclamation" demanding the public (private) to relinquish their privately held gold.

The order (proclamation) issued by Roosevelt was an undisciplined act of treason. Two months after the Executive Order, on June 5, 1933, the Senate & House of Representatives, 73d Congress, 1st session, at 4:30 p.m. approve House Joint Resolution (HJR) 192: Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard & Abrogate The Gold Clause, Joint resolution to assure uniform value to the coins & currencies of the United States.

HJR-192 states, in part, that "Every provision contained in or made with respect to any obligation which purports to give the oblige a right to require payment in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency, or in any amount of money of the United States measured thereby, is declared to be against public policy, & no such provision shall be contained in or made with respect to any obligation hereafter incurred. Every obligation, heretofore or hereafter incurred, whether or not any such provisions is contained therein or made with respect thereto, shall be discharged upon payment, dollar for dollar, in any such coin or currency which at the time of payment is legal tender for public & private debts."

HJR-192 goes on to state: "As used in this resolution, the term 'obligation' means an obligation (including every obligation of & to the United States, excepting currency) payable in money of the United States; & the term 'coin or currency' means coin or currency of the United States, including Federal Reserve notes & circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks & national banking associations."

HJR-192 superseded Public Law (what passes as law today is only "color of law"), replacing it with public policy. This eliminated our ability to PAY our debts, allowing only for their DISCHARGE. When we use any commercial paper (checks, drafts, warrants, federal reserve notes, etc.), & accept it as money, we simply pass the unpaid debt attached to the paper on to others, by way of our purchases & transactions. This unpaid debt, under public policy, now carries a public liability for its collection. In other words, all debt is now public.

The United States government, in order to provide necessary goods & services, created a commercial bond (promissory note), by pledging the property, labor, life & body of its citizens, as payment for the debt (bankruptcy). This commercial bond made chattel (property) out of every man, woman & child in the United States. We became nothing more than "human resources" & collateral for the debt. This was without our knowledge &/or our consent. How? It was done through the filing (registration) of our birth certificates!

The United States government -actually the elected & appointed administrators of government -took (& still do, to this day) certified copies of all our birth certificates & placed them in the United States Department of Commerce ... as registered securities. These securities, each of which carries an estimated $1,000,000 (one million) dollar value, have been (& still are) circulated around the world as collateral for loans, entries on the asset side of ledgers, etc., just like any other security. There's just one problem, we didn't authorize it.

The United States is a District of Columbia corporation. In Volume 20: Corpus Juris Sec. § 1785 we find "The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a State" (see: NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S. 0.1973, 14 L. Ed. 287). Since a corporation is a fictitious "person" (it can not speak, see, touch, smell, etc.), it can not, by itself, function in the real world. It needs a conduit, a transmitting utility, a liaison of some sort, to "connect" the fictional person, & fictional world in which it exists, to the real world.

LIVING people, exist in a real world, not a fictional, virtual world. But government does exist in a fictional world, & can only deal directly with other fictional or virtual persons, agencies, states, etc.. In order for a fictional person to deal with real people there must be a connection, a liaison, & a go-between. This can be something as simple as a contract. When both "persons," the real & the fictional, agree to the terms of a contract, there is a connection, intercourse, dealings, there is a communication, an exchange. There is business! But there is another way for fictional government to deal with the real man & woman: through the use of a representative, a liaison, & the go-between. Who is this go-between, this liaison that connects fictional government to real men & women? It's a government created shadow, a fictional man or woman ... with the same name as ours.

This PERSON was created by using our birth certificates as the MCO (manufacturer's certificate of origin) & the state in which we were born as the "port of entry". This gave fictional government a fictional PERSON with whom to deal directly. This PERSON is a straw man (strawman).

STRAMINEUS HOMO: Latin: A man of straw, one of no substance, put forward as bail or surety. This definition comes from Black's Law Dictionary, 6th. Edition, page 1421. Following the definition of STRAMINEUS HOMO in Black's we find the next word, straw man (Strawman). STRAWMAN: A front, a third party who is put up in name only to take part in a transaction. Nominal party to a transaction; one who acts as an agent for another for the purposes of taking title to real property & executing whatever documents & instruments the principal may direct. Person who purchases property for another to conceal identity of real purchaser or to accomplish some purpose otherwise not allowed.

Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary defines the term "strawman" as: 1: a weak or imaginary opposition set up only to be easily confuted 2: a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction. The straw man (Strawman) can be summed up as an imaginary, passive stand-in for the real participant; a front; a blind; a person regarded as a nonentity. The straw man (Strawman) is a "shadow", a go-between. For quite some time a rather large number of people in this country have known that a man or woman's name, written in ALL CAPS, or last name first, does not identify real, living people. Taking this one step further, the rules of grammar for the English language have no provisions for the abbreviation of people's names, i.e. initials are not to be used. As an example, John Adam Smith is correct. ANYTHING else is not correct. Not Smith, John Adam or Smith, John A. or J. Smith or J. A. Smith or JOHN ADAM SMITH or SMITH, JOHN or any other variation. NOTHING, other than John Adam Smith identifies the real, living man. All other appellations identify either a deceased man or a fictitious man: such as a corporation or a STRAW MAN (STRAWMAN).

Over the years government, through its "public" school system, has managed to pull the wool over our eyes & keep US ignorant of some very important facts. Because all facets of the media (print, radio, television) have an ever-increasing influence in our lives, & because media is controlled (with the issuance of licenses, etc.) by government & its agencies, we have slowly & systematically been led to believe that any form/appellation of our names is, in fact, still us: as long as the spelling is correct. WRONG!

We were never told, with full & open disclosure, what our government officials were planning to do & why. We were never told that government (the United States) was a corporation, a fictitious "person". We were never told that government had quietly, almost secretly, created a shadow, a STRAW MAN (STRAWMAN) for each & every AMERICAN, so that government could not only "control" the people, but also raise an almost unlimited amount of revenue - so it could continue not just to exist, but to GROW. We were never told that when government deals with the STRAW MAN (STRAWMAN) it is not dealing with real, living, men & women. We were never told, openly & clearly with full disclosure of all the facts, that since June 5, 1933, we have been unable to pay our debts. We were never told that we had been pledged (& our children, & their children, & their children, & on & on) as collateral, mere chattel, for the debt created by government officials who committed treason in doing so. We were never told that they quietly & cleverly changed the rules, even the game itself, & that the world we perceive as real is in fact fictional -& it's all for their benefit. We were never told that the STRAW MAN (STRAWMAN) -a fictional person, a creature of the state -is subject to all the codes, statutes, rules, regulations, ordinances, etc. decreed by government, but that WE, the real man & woman, are not. We were never told we were being treated as property, as slaves (albeit comfortably for some), while living in the land of the free -& that we could, easily, walk away from the fraud.

WE WERE NEVER TOLD, WE WERE BEING ABUSED!

There's something else you should know: Everything, since June 1933, operates in COMMERCE! Commerce is based on agreement, contract. Government has an implied agreement with the straw man (Strawman) (government's creation) & the straw man (Strawman) is subject to government rule, as we illustrated above. But when we, the real flesh & blood man & woman, step into their "process" we become the "surety" for the fictional straw man (Strawman). Reality & fiction are reversed. We then become liable for the debts, liabilities & obligations of the straw man (Strawman), relinquishing our real (protected) character as we stand up for the fictional straw man (Strawman).

So that we can once again place the straw man (Strawman) in the fictional world & ourselves in the real world (with all our "shields" in place against fictional government) we must send a nonnegotiable (private) "Charge Back" & a nonnegotiable "Bill of Exchange" to the United States Secretary of Treasury, along with a copy of our birth certificate, the evidence, the MCO, of the straw man (Strawman). By doing this we discharge our portion of the public debt, releasing US, the real man, from the debts, liabilities & obligations of the straw man (Strawman). Those debts, liabilities & obligations exist in the fictional commercial world of "book entries", on computers &/or in paper ledgers. It is a world of "digits" & "notes", not of money & substance. Property of the real man once again becomes tax exempt & free from levy, as it must be in accord with HJR-192.

Sending the nonnegotiable Charge Back & Bill of Exchange accesses our Treasury Direct Account (TDA). What is our TDA? Let's go to Title 26 USC & take a look at section 163(h)(3)(B)(ii), $1,000,000 limitation: "The aggregate amount treated as acquisition indebtedness for any period shall not exceed $1,000,000 ($500,000 in the case of a married individual filing a separate return)."

This $1,000,000 (one million) account is for the straw man (Strawman), the fictional "person" with the name in all caps &/or last name first. It is there for the purpose of making book entries, to move figures, "digits" from one side of ledgers to the other. Without constant movement a shark will die & quite ironically, like the shark, there must also be constant movement in commerce, or it too will die. Figures, digits, the entries in ledgers must move from asset side to debit side & back again, or commerce dies. No movement, no commerce.

The fictional person of government can only function in a fictional commercial world, one where there is no real money, only fictional funds ... mere entries, figures, & digits.

A presentment from fictional government -from traffic citation to criminal charges -is a negative, commercial "claim" against the straw man (Strawman). This "claim" takes place in the commercial, fictional world of government. "Digits" move from one side of your straw man (Strawman) account to the other, or to a different account. This is today's commerce.

In the past we have addressed these "claims" by fighting them in court, with one "legal process" or another, & failed. We have played the futile, legalistic, dog-&-pony show -a very clever distraction -while the commerce game played on.

But what if we refused to play dog-&-pony, & played the commerce game instead? What if we learned how to control the flow & movement of entries, figures, & digits, for our own benefit? Is that possible? And if so, how? How can the real man in the real world, function in the fictional world in which the commerce game exists?

When in commerce do as commerce does, use the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC)? The UCC1 Financing Statement is the one contract in the world that can NOT be broken & it's the foundation of the Accepted For Value process. The power of this document is awesome.

Since the TDA exists for the straw man (Strawman) -who, until now, has been controlled by government - WE can gain control (& ownership) of the straw man (Strawman) by first activating the TDA & then filing an UCC-1 Financing Statement. This does two things for US.

First, by activating the TDA we gain limited control over the funds in the account. This allows US to also move entries, figures, & digits ... for OUR benefit.

Secondly, by properly filing an UCC-1 Financing Statement we can become the holder in due course of the straw man (Strawman). This gives us virtual ownership of the government created entity. So what? What does it all mean?

Remember earlier we mentioned that a presentment from government or one of its agents or agencies was a negative commercial claim against the straw man (Strawman) (& the Strawman's account, the TDA)? Remember we told you entries, figures, & digits moved from one side of the account to the other, or to a different account? Well now, with the straw man (Strawman) under our control, government has no access to the TDA & they also lose their go-between, their liaison, their "connection" to the real, living man & woman. From now on, when presented with a "claim" (presentment) from government, we will agree with it (this removes the "controversy") & we will ACCEPT IT FOR VALUE. By doing this we remove the negative claim against our account & become the "holder in due course" of the presentment. As holder in due course you can require the sworn testimony of the presenter of the "claim" (under penalty of perjury) & request the account be properly adjusted.

It's all business, a commercial undertaking, & the basic procedure is not complicated. In fact, it's fairly simple. We just have to remember a few things, like: this is not a "legal" procedure -we're not playing dog-&-pony. This is commerce, & we play by the rules of commerce. We accept the "claim", become the holder in due course, & challenge whether or not the presenter of the claim had/has the proper authority (the Order) to make the claim (debit our account) in the first place. When they cannot produce the Order (they never can, it was never issued) we request the account be properly adjusted (the charge, the "claim " goes away).

If they don't adjust the account a request is made for the bookkeeping records showing where the funds in question were assigned. This is done by requesting the Fiduciary Tax Estimate & the Fiduciary Tax Return for this claim. Since the claim has been accepted for value & is prepaid, & our TDA account is exempt from levy, the request for the Fiduciary Tax Estimate & the Fiduciary Tax Return is valid because the information is necessary in determining who is delinquent &/or making claims on the account. If there is no record of the Fiduciary Tax Estimate & the Fiduciary Tax Return, we then request the individual tax estimates & individual tax returns to determine if there is any delinquency.

If we receive no favorable response to the above requests, we will then file a currency report on the amount claimed/assessed against our account & begin the commercial process that will force them to either do what's required or lose everything they own -except for the clothing they are wearing at the time. This is the power of contracts (commerce) & it should be mentioned, at least this one time, that a contract overrides the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, & any other document other than another contract. We should also mention that no process of law -"color" of law under present codes, statutes, rules, regulations, ordinances, etc. - can operate upon you, no agent &/or agency of government (including courts) can gain jurisdiction over you, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. You, (we) are not within their fictional commercial venue.

The Accepted for Value process, however, gives us the ability to deal with "them" -through the use of our transmitting utility/go-between, the straw man (Strawman) -& hold them accountable in their own commercial world, for any action(s) they attempt to take against us. Without a proper Order, & now we know they're not in possession of such a document, they must leave us alone ... or pay the consequences.

pinkgrapefruit
05-08-2009, 07:40 PM
Have you ever visited the Freeman-on-the-Land Thread?

herzmeister
05-08-2009, 09:16 PM
Have you ever visited the Freeman-on-the-Land Thread?

It's actually not just a Thread, it's a complete sub forum. :D

real6
05-08-2009, 09:43 PM
Have you ever visited the Freeman-on-the-Land Thread?

Can't say iv'e heard of it. Do you have a link?

:D

lase
05-08-2009, 09:49 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60

http://www.fmotl.com/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6015/John_Harris___Serving_Affidavit_on_Queen/

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4024663011008894776&ei=9u95StmOJcmb-AbwmLzwDQ&q=John+Harris&hl=en

pinkgrapefruit
05-08-2009, 10:03 PM
It's actually not just a Thread, it's a complete sub forum. :D

I know what I meant!:D

ulaw
05-08-2009, 10:29 PM
IM sure the UCC-1 is an urban myth, many people seem to make posts saying what to do, now if this was true and not disinformation they would also show one how it is possible, i have yet to meet in real life somebody that is a freeman of the land, who has claimed back their taxes and obtained access to their 'bond'.

real6
05-08-2009, 10:41 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60

http://www.fmotl.com/

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6015/John_Harris___Serving_Affidavit_on_Queen/

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4024663011008894776&ei=9u95StmOJcmb-AbwmLzwDQ&q=John+Harris&hl=en
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thanks.


IM sure the UCC-1 is an urban myth, many people seem to make posts saying what to do, now if this was true and not disinformation they would also show one how it is possible, i have yet to meet in real life somebody that is a freeman of the land, who has claimed back their taxes and obtained access to their 'bond'.

Just heard about this today. So im curious...

ulaw
05-08-2009, 11:10 PM
What I find interesting is people that make post about the 'bonds' and such but dont really give working examples, because if somebody really did manage to pull it off they would know all the ins ans outs, the methods and inform people of all the disinformation out there.
What i too find interesting is that people claiming to have info about bonds are charging people for information packs.
If the people that are charging for these information packs, maybe their bonds are not as much as they claim. and they need extra income from other people......

yozhik
06-08-2009, 01:13 AM
What I find interesting is people that make post about the 'bonds' and such but dont really give working examples, because if somebody really did manage to pull it off they would know all the ins ans outs, the methods and inform people of all the disinformation out there.
What i too find interesting is that people claiming to have info about bonds are charging people for information packs.
If the people that are charging for these information packs, maybe their bonds are not as much as they claim. and they need extra income from other people......

Yep ... that's it.
Wow, how did you nail it so fast?

Freeman-On-The-Land ideology is bullshit and the UCC-1 process is bunkum ... the proof?
"Some people in this world have seen it as a money making opportunity", despite not being fully "up with it", in terms of the information nor the processes involved.

Fuck me ... like THAT has never happened before.
Some scumbags discovering a way to con people by fronting up with half-assed info and selling it in packs, riding on the back of ideologies?

Yeah ... ground-breaking revelations ...

Congrats ulaw.
You solved the case.
FOTL is bullshit.
UCC-1 process is a myth.
Anyone involved is planning to sell packs, to make money, from something that doesn't exist.
Pure fucking genius.
Now we can all go back to sleep.

G'nite.

ulaw
06-08-2009, 05:41 AM
Call me a romantic but i do like the freeman of the land concept, however talking to a friend that does law says otherwise.
Granted there maybe a few loop holes that one can exploite however, If there is truely someone that has done the bond and ucc1 please step toward or forever hold you peace.

bsmurph83
06-08-2009, 06:01 AM
Call me a romantic but i do like the freeman of the land concept, however talking to a friend that does law says otherwise.
Granted there maybe a few loop holes that one can exploite however, If there is truely someone that has done the bond and ucc1 please step toward or forever hold you peace.

to the lawyer, FMOTL is not real; it isn't part of their fictional world. they can't see it and they CAN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEIR RIGHTS AND WHO CAN PRESENT THEMSELVES IN COURT WITHOUT A LAWYER.

so, no, i wouldn't bother asking too many lawyers about it. freemanism is about not needing the freakin' lawyers and staying outta the system in the first place.

it's not about loopholes, but stepping outside of the fraudulent system of control altogether. people have posted some links for ya. in the freeman forum you'll find loads of material on the stuff you've raised here. :)

the bond is not what you need to focus on, it's the Standing of Intent and Claim of Right, plus the UCC-1. and hey, why not trademark your name while yer at it? then the system can't use it without making themselves liable.

suggestion; read up first so you realise what it's about and THEN ask lawyers just to see what they will or will not admit, or if they even know anything about it. best regards, ulaw :cool:

merlincove
06-08-2009, 06:55 AM
Alsom, as a plus to bsmurph's post, get yourself one of the books the lawyers live by, get hold of their bible, Blacks law dictionary and study the definitions, learn 'their' language and you'll see that it aint all BS.

for starters look up 'person' and see what it says. Statutes govern the person. In their eyes you aint a human being you are a 'thing' and as such have absolutely no rights.

Things can also be owned. A human being can not be owned, so they try and stop you being a human being and trick you into believeing you are a person.

Look at the definitions. And you will be able to see how the lawyers talk a very different language to what we call English.

And when you begin to know your rights, as the post above says, you wont need your lawyers, because all they do is take power away from you. When you employ them you give them your power, you hand over the sovereignty. Without your consent they, the lawyers and the state of control, are totally powerless.

Watch the vidoes on tpuc.

Bsmuprph - trademarking your name, i like that - not come across that concept before :D

hadabusa
06-08-2009, 08:10 AM
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thanks.




Just heard about this today. So im curious...
wow, i tought youre joking
:)

ive been referred here by a guy on freethink.

hey, yozi, i know you dont like one phrase questions and i know you lived in hu.
ill ask anyway.
is fmotl applycable in civil law?
even my lawyer wouldnt know.he said its stretching it,but may work.
i know fmotl is improving etc, but i see everythings based on common law.:(

yozhik
06-08-2009, 09:29 AM
wow, i tought youre joking
:)

ive been referred here by a guy on freethink.

hey, yozi, i know you dont like one phrase questions and i know you lived in hu.
ill ask anyway.
is fmotl applycable in civil law?
even my lawyer wouldnt know.he said its stretching it,but may work.
i know fmotl is improving etc, but i see everythings based on common law.:(

I think the phrase "Common Law" is thrown around too liberally with no real comprehension of what exactly it means. Like most things pertaining to the "law", it is open to interpretation. :)

In my mind ... Common law is a body of work; it is not simply "cause no harm, injury or loss." Some research will offer this as the "qualifier" for a criminal case. If there is harm, injury or loss, it can be deemed as criminal.

There is also substantial opinion and documentation to more than strongly suggest ALL law is commercial law ... and that commercial law trumps what is known as common law.

danster82
06-08-2009, 01:54 PM
The freeman section on this forum is all about it.

merlincove
06-08-2009, 01:57 PM
I was speaking to a police man about this a few weeks ago, and he said that all crimes of common law are still punishable by death! Eeek.

Piracy falls under common law, (and then there is all the thing about flags etc, when aboard this ship these are the rules) but i have wondered whether such is simply an extension of the 'cause no harm or loss' - which is what piracy is, i guess, when you boil it down.

I think the cause no harm or loss and do not missrepresent oneself in contract is the basic tenure of ALL law, that all things boil down to those few maxims. So with that in mind, common law 'trumps' allo other law?

danster82
06-08-2009, 02:04 PM
I was speaking to a police man about this a few weeks ago, and he said that all crimes of common law are still punishable by death! Eeek.

Piracy falls under common law, (and then there is all the thing about flags etc, when aboard this ship these are the rules) but i have wondered whether such is simply an extension of the 'cause no harm or loss' - which is what piracy is, i guess, when you boil it down.

I think the cause no harm or loss and do not missrepresent oneself in contract is the basic tenure of ALL law, that all things boil down to those few maxims. So with that in mind, common law 'trumps' allo other law?

Yeah but then the piracy would have to be against the originator and not a corporation as a corporation cannot bring you to court for anything because its not human.

real6
06-08-2009, 02:17 PM
wow, i tought youre joking
:)

ive been referred here by a guy on freethink.

hey, yozi, i know you dont like one phrase questions and i know you lived in hu.
ill ask anyway.
is fmotl applycable in civil law?
even my lawyer wouldnt know.he said its stretching it,but may work.
i know fmotl is improving etc, but i see everythings based on common law.:(

Well i have heard something similar a few years back but you know how it is when you hear something once you tend to forget when you learn other things. So i came across it yesterday. My coworker told me about it.

Can someone help me out here, i recall a few years back online and someone on a forum board speaking about this. I just cant find any info.

It's about Automobiles and when you register then then you have to pay taxes or something. But if you dont register the car.....

I cant really recall. It was like a land and sea thing. Anyone know what im talking about?

merlincove
06-08-2009, 02:20 PM
Well i have heard something similar a few years back but you know how it is when you hear something once you tend to forget when you learn other things. So i came across it yesterday. My coworker told me about it.

Can someone help me out here, i recall a few years back online and someone on a forum board speaking about this. I just cant find any info.

It's about Automobiles and when you register then then you have to pay taxes or something. But if you dont register the car.....

I cant really recall. It was like a land and sea thing. Anyone know what im talking about?

Search the forums here and on tpuc mate, just type in deregistering vehicle etc, there is loads of it - too much to bog this thread down with ;)

real6
06-08-2009, 03:11 PM
Search the forums here and on tpuc mate, just type in deregistering vehicle etc, there is loads of it - too much to bog this thread down with ;)

That could be it. But if i can remember 'it's been years' it's only for new cars.

But thanks :)

tien an
07-08-2009, 12:11 AM
Hi everyone,

yozhik, you've certainly changed your tune; I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post, but you seem to have totally gone off the idea.

What revelations have you had that have changed your way of thinking?

real6, (with all respect), I thought someone with the powers of research that you possess would have been at least half-way up to speed with this...?

Taking your OP at face value, I find it very interesting that top of the google search list is a whole sub-forum (ranked 3rd or 4th I think) of this forum .
Then, (and it's uncanny that you chose the second one), which you've taken the trouble to quote from.

I haven't read it all yet, but I started reading it and couldn't understand why the guy mentioned 'democracy' and 'republic' in the same sentence...
I thought your nation was a Federal Republic, no?
Is each state a democracy or a republic?
It seems illogical to have democracies within a republic.

The immediate scent I pick up is something sinister.
Whereas the FOTL section of these fora has, for the greater part, been a real forum, where many facets of the concept have been looked at, more or less honourably...hey; it's a passionate subject....I suspect the author of this article is a little less than serious.



This is the latest discussion on the subject:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68601]


(Wow man; are you in for a trip!)

Peace,
tian an.

hadabusa
07-08-2009, 12:35 AM
yozhik certainly hasnt got off, he was joking,im pretty sure.

tpuc, there was a controversy, didnt he lose all credibility?
it was about,uhhh, bonds:)

yozhik
07-08-2009, 08:00 AM
yozhik, you've certainly changed your tune; I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post, but you seem to have totally gone off the idea.

What revelations have you had that have changed your way of thinking?


Changed my tune?
No ... but maybe changed my direction and my tolerance for those intent on casting disinfo and misinfo on the matter.

After wading through tonnes of literature, opinions, examples, statutes, books, etc, etc, etc ... I see the Freeman aspect as an ideology.

For it to have any bite, it needs to adhere to some form of process, which given the nature of the environment, takes on a commercial aspect ... which when you think about it, is self defeating.

Even an NOICOR or an affidavit is remedy in a commercial world ... so the very foundation of FOTL, whilst renouncing "maritime" law (commercial law) still runs to commercial law for its remedy.

That's not a criticism; its reality.

Many posters on here have stated that everything in the PUBLIC is contract.
Contract is commercial law.

All roads lead to Rome. (pun intended)
All law leads to contract law.

To exercise your belief in the Freeman ideology or to enforce any of those Freeman beliefs and to find remedy and consequence for the offending party, you need to study and embrace the remedies and processes available to you in commercial law.

That is now my tune.

But as for those who continually bitch, whine, cast aspersions, question, ridicule, taunt, deride, besmirch and right off without sufficient research ... my reservoir of tolerance has been sucked dry.

Believe whatever you want to believe ...

real6
29-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Changed my tune?
No ... but maybe changed my direction and my tolerance for those intent on casting disinfo and misinfo on the matter.

After wading through tonnes of literature, opinions, examples, statutes, books, etc, etc, etc ... I see the Freeman aspect as an ideology.

For it to have any bite, it needs to adhere to some form of process, which given the nature of the environment, takes on a commercial aspect ... which when you think about it, is self defeating.

Even an NOICOR or an affidavit is remedy in a commercial world ... so the very foundation of FOTL, whilst renouncing "maritime" law (commercial law) still runs to commercial law for its remedy.

That's not a criticism; its reality.

Many posters on here have stated that everything in the PUBLIC is contract.
Contract is commercial law.

All roads lead to Rome. (pun intended)
All law leads to contract law.

To exercise your belief in the Freeman ideology or to enforce any of those Freeman beliefs and to find remedy and consequence for the offending party, you need to study and embrace the remedies and processes available to you in commercial law.

That is now my tune.

But as for those who continually bitch, whine, cast aspersions, question, ridicule, taunt, deride, besmirch and right off without sufficient research ... my reservoir of tolerance has been sucked dry.

Believe whatever you want to believe ...

hahaha

quantified_madness
29-06-2010, 08:43 PM
Would like to know... ...what are your thoughts?

My thoughts are this: While the framework for legal and commercial operations outlined in the 'freeman on the land ideology', which describes historically how social mechanisms have developed throughout the past into what we see today, are both logical and reasonable and also accurate as far as I can tell. Any momentum that may have been gathering in this 'movement' (of which there was a certain potency) has dwindled into stagnation quite possibly due to active measures being taken by concerned parties (read: the government).
It would seem that this 'freeman ideology' is a most honorable way to conduct oneself in legal and commercial affairs, indeed it is all about being honorable, but this most crucial aspect has been dwarfed in the eyes of many by the promise of 'no tax' and basically more money for the individual which is completely missing the point in my opinion. Isn't that always the way though.