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hank_scorpio
04-08-2009, 05:50 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html
The world is heading for a catastrophic energy crunch that could cripple a global economic recovery because most of the major oil fields in the world have passed their peak production, a leading energy economist has warned.

Higher oil prices brought on by a rapid increase in demand and a stagnation, or even decline, in supply could blow any recovery off course, said Dr Fatih Birol, the chief economist at the respected International Energy Agency (IEA) in Paris, which is charged with the task of assessing future energy supplies by OECD countries.

In an interview with The Independent, Dr Birol said that the public and many governments appeared to be oblivious to the fact that the oil on which modern civilisation depends is running out far faster than previously predicted and that global production is likely to peak in about 10 years – at least a decade earlier than most governments had estimated.

But the first detailed assessment of more than 800 oil fields in the world, covering three quarters of global reserves, has found that most of the biggest fields have already peaked and that the rate of decline in oil production is now running at nearly twice the pace as calculated just two years ago. On top of this, there is a problem of chronic under-investment by oil-producing countries, a feature that is set to result in an "oil crunch" within the next five years which will jeopardise any hope of a recovery from the present global economic recession, he said.

In a stark warning to Britain and the other Western powers, Dr Birol said that the market power of the very few oil-producing countries that hold substantial reserves of oil – mostly in the Middle East – would increase rapidly as the oil crisis begins to grip after 2010.

"One day we will run out of oil, it is not today or tomorrow, but one day we will run out of oil and we have to leave oil before oil leaves us, and we have to prepare ourselves for that day," Dr Birol said. "The earlier we start, the better, because all of our economic and social system is based on oil, so to change from that will take a lot of time and a lot of money and we should take this issue very seriously," he said.

"The market power of the very few oil-producing countries, mainly in the Middle East, will increase very quickly. They already have about 40 per cent share of the oil market and this will increase much more strongly in the future," he said.

There is now a real risk of a crunch in the oil supply after next year when demand picks up because not enough is being done to build up new supplies of oil to compensate for the rapid decline in existing fields.

The IEA estimates that the decline in oil production in existing fields is now running at 6.7 per cent a year compared to the 3.7 per cent decline it had estimated in 2007, which it now acknowledges to be wrong.

"If we see a tightness of the markets, people in the street will see it in terms of higher prices, much higher than we see now. It will have an impact on the economy, definitely, especially if we see this tightness in the markets in the next few years," Dr Birol said.

"It will be especially important because the global economy will still be very fragile, very vulnerable. Many people think there will be a recovery in a few years' time but it will be a slow recovery and a fragile recovery and we will have the risk that the recovery will be strangled with higher oil prices," he told The Independent.

In its first-ever assessment of the world's major oil fields, the IEA concluded that the global energy system was at a crossroads and that consumption of oil was "patently unsustainable", with expected demand far outstripping supply.

Oil production has already peaked in non-Opec countries and the era of cheap oil has come to an end, it warned.

In most fields, oil production has now peaked, which means that other sources of supply have to be found to meet existing demand.

Even if demand remained steady, the world would have to find the equivalent of four Saudi Arabias to maintain production, and six Saudi Arabias if it is to keep up with the expected increase in demand between now and 2030, Dr Birol said.

"It's a big challenge in terms of the geology, in terms of the investment and in terms of the geopolitics. So this is a big risk and it's mainly because of the rates of the declining oil fields," he said.

"Many governments now are more and more aware that at least the day of cheap and easy oil is over... [however] I'm not very optimistic about governments being aware of the difficulties we may face in the oil supply," he said.

Environmentalists fear that as supplies of conventional oil run out, governments will be forced to exploit even dirtier alternatives, such as the massive reserves of tar sands in Alberta, Canada, which would be immensely damaging to the environment because of the amount of energy needed to recover a barrel of tar-sand oil compared to the energy needed to collect the same amount of crude oil.

"Just because oil is running out faster than we have collectively assumed, does not mean the pressure is off on climate change," said Jeremy Leggett, a former oil-industry consultant and now a green entrepreneur with Solar Century.

"Shell and others want to turn to tar, and extract oil from coal. But these are very carbon-intensive processes, and will deepen the climate problem," Dr Leggett said.

"What we need to do is accelerate the mobilisation of renewables, energy efficiency and alternative transport.

"We have to do this for global warming reasons anyway, but the imminent energy crisis redoubles the imperative," he said.

Oil: An unclear future

*Why is oil so important as an energy source?

Crude oil has been critical for economic development and the smooth functioning of almost every aspect of society. Agriculture and food production is heavily dependent on oil for fuel and fertilisers. In the US, for instance, it takes the direct and indirect use of about six barrels of oil to raise one beef steer. It is the basis of most transport systems. Oil is also crucial to the drugs and chemicals industries and is a strategic asset for the military.

*How are oil reserves estimated?

The amount of oil recoverable is always going to be an assessment subject to the vagaries of economics – which determines the price of the oil and whether it is worth the costs of pumping it out –and technology, which determines how easy it is to discover and recover. Probable reserves have a better than 50 per cent chance of getting oil out. Possible reserves have less than 50 per cent chance.

*Why is there such disagreement over oil reserves?

All numbers tend to be informed estimates. Different experts make different assumptions so it is under- standable that they can come to different conclusions. Some countries see the size of their oilfields as a national security issue and do not want to provide accurate information. Another problem concerns how fast oil production is declining in fields that are past their peak production. The rate of decline can vary from field to field and this affects calculations on the size of the reserves. A further factor is the expected size of future demand for oil.

*What is "peak oil" and when will it be reached?

This is the point when the maximum rate at which oil is extracted reaches a peak because of technical and geological constraints, with global production going into decline from then on. The UK Government, along with many other governments, has believed that peak oil will not occur until well into the 21st Century, at least not until after 2030. The International Energy Agency believes peak oil will come perhaps by 2020. But it also believes that we are heading for an even earlier "oil crunch" because demand after 2010 is likely to exceed dwindling supplies.

*With global warming, why should we be worried about peak oil?

There are large reserves of non-conventional oil, such as the tar sands of Canada. But this oil is dirty and will produce vast amounts of carbon dioxide which will make a nonsense of any climate change agreement. Another problem concerns how fast oil production is declining in fields that are past their peak production. The rate of decline can vary from field to field and this affects calculations on the size of the reserves. If we are not adequately prepared for peak oil, global warming could become far worse than expected.

Funny the same orginization IEA were saying peak oil theory was garbage not too many months ago. I guess reality > speculation.

romas
04-08-2009, 06:36 PM
If no alternatives come up, Canada will use those tar sands and forfit any carbon curbing, it's likely it would effect some countries in negative way, while others in a more positive.

Only problem I see if indeed the influx of fresh water from ice tops would disturb the gulf stream, plunging much of europe/america into ice age.

tb303
04-08-2009, 07:05 PM
Higher oil prices brought on by a rapid increase in demand and a stagnation, or even decline, in supply could blow any recovery off course, said Dr Fatih Birol, the chief economist at the respected International Energy Agency (IEA) in Paris, which is charged with the task of assessing future energy supplies by OECD countries.


http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=12fd4eaa-1b87-48da-9fe7-802c05f926b9&k=62919


Etienne Davignon

is a former Belgian politician and president of the annual Bilderberg conference. Mr. Davignon was born in Hungary and quickly established a name for himself in business and politics. He was the first president of the International Energy Agency from 1974-77 and at the age of 32, he became head of cabinet. Between 1977 and 1985, he was an influential member of the European Commission. In 1989, he joined the board of the Societe Generale de Belgique.

This tells us pretty much all we need to know about the International Energy Agency...

bones
04-08-2009, 07:15 PM
this will end up a debate over weather peak oil is a myth .... there is many threads on that subject already...

motleyhoo
04-08-2009, 07:19 PM
The problem is not that we are running out of oil. The problem is that we are demanding more and more than we can extract at a low price at any given time. Even if the Earth produces its own oil adiabatically, if we pump it out faster than she can make it then we are in real trouble, but man has never had problems with letting stupidity get in the way of morals and common sense, because that is what greed does to people.

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tb303
04-08-2009, 09:14 PM
The problem is that we are demanding more and more than we can extract at a low price at any given time.

Total, global, economic meltdown should sort that problem out.

hank_scorpio
04-08-2009, 10:37 PM
There are many developed countries losing demand for oil, but several developing countries are having an increased demand for oil. India refuses to cut its pollution which is insane they need to currently dig 255+feet into the ground for water...so if their society collapses its their own fault for not recoginzing the relationships with nature, energy and money.

The IEA was always saying peak oil was garbage, now as the evidence is overwelming for peak oil they can't deny it. Now...when SHTF 'they' can say we were warned. You are not going to like extremely high energy costs. How will the middle class support itself when gas costs $20 a L? Why are there so many oil companies just begging on the knees for investment but not getting any? Because nobody is stupid enough to invest on something they know there won't be any profit or return.

There is no easy solution, unless you can convince the US government to release its secret ufo technology but thats not being declassified anytime soon because if the public had that technology there wouldn't be any energy crisis, or physics crisis. Gas in cars is already diluted with other chemicals probably 7-14%.

Get ready for life without cheap energy which society has been running off for a long time and taken for granted. High energy costs will enslave everybody and kill those who cannot afford to live.:(

clozaril
04-08-2009, 10:44 PM
see lindsey williams energy non crisis or some ian crane

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en


Object moved

http://mises.org/story/1717

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article3823656.ece

tracker
04-08-2009, 10:45 PM
If no alternatives come up, Canada will use those tar sands and forfit any carbon curbing, it's likely it would effect some countries in negative way, while others in a more positive.

Only problem I see if indeed the influx of fresh water from ice tops would disturb the gulf stream, plunging much of europe/america into ice age.

yipppeeeeeeeeeeeee , brilliant stuff .:)

lewi
04-08-2009, 10:47 PM
Frontlines: Fuel of War Trailer from Games Convention 2007 - YouTube

3stepsahead
04-08-2009, 10:49 PM
tehy just parrot this scam to force more drilling wich equals more profit for them.


make money obsolete
bring in the real communism

lightgiver
04-08-2009, 10:55 PM
There is only so much of anything and the Elites and the sheep who follow them are going to be in for a shock if they do not stop raping the planet.:(

What have they done to the Earth?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences
And dragged her down

I hear a very gentle sound
With your ear down to the ground
We want the world and we want it...
Now
Now?
NOW!

Persian night, babe
See the light, babe
Save us!
Jesus!
Save us!

The Doors - When The Music's Over - YouTube

tb303
04-08-2009, 10:58 PM
There is only so much of anything and the Elites and the sheep who follow them are going to be in for a shock if they do not stop raping the planet.:(



Sunlight ain't gonna run out for a few billion years yet.

Can't tax sunlight though.

lightgiver
04-08-2009, 11:04 PM
Sunlight ain't gonna run out for a few billion years yet.

Can't tax sunlight though.

Or wind,or wave power, or hemp ;)

Everyone need s to research hemp,and not just for the wisdom weed bit.;)

Thats why the elites banned it,I mean how the eck can you ban a weed.:confused:

Just goes to show what a bunch of tossers are in charge.:mad:

Jamiroquai - Emergency On Planet Earth - YouTube

we want the world and we want it now,

they got the guns but we got the numbers,we need to take our lives back.

The Truth About Cannabis And The Real Reason Why It Is Illegal

The Truth About Cannabis - YouTube

The people in charge are stark raving mad.

romas
05-08-2009, 12:30 AM
yipppeeeeeeeeeeeee , brilliant stuff .:)



Man that's not cool, I already hate this place due to cold winter/autumn and insane heating prices :S

Ice age would make us all refugees, where the fuck would we go?

romas
05-08-2009, 12:32 AM
There are many developed countries losing demand for oil, but several developing countries are having an increased demand for oil. India refuses to cut its pollution which is insane they need to currently dig 255+feet into the ground for water...so if their society collapses its their own fault for not recoginzing the relationships with nature, energy and money.



I've seen some reports on MSNBC if I recall correctly, India is expected to stage war with China at some point after 2012 ._.

3stepsahead
05-08-2009, 12:48 AM
:o

thanks lightgiver for pointing out
evry day we (she) fall further down into the abyss
its just that we have to do something about it
or face the consequence

lightgiver
05-08-2009, 01:03 AM
:o

thanks lightgiver for pointing out
evry day we (she) fall further down into the abyss
its just that we have to do something about it
or face the consequence

Thanks;)

Yippee someone is getting it :D

Its pretty sad to see what is going on,I sometimes despair at it all :(

the nine
05-08-2009, 01:07 AM
The problem is not that we are running out of oil. The problem is that we are demanding more and more than we can extract at a low price at any given time. Even if the Earth produces its own oil adiabatically, if we pump it out faster than she can make it then we are in real trouble, but man has never had problems with letting stupidity get in the way of morals and common sense, because that is what greed does to people.

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best put the price of fuel up astronomically then..save the oil, crush the struggling world ecconomy!crush the poor people!

godspeed
05-08-2009, 01:20 AM
liars.......b

windeyaho
05-08-2009, 04:42 AM
According to what I've been told by the people who work in the oil fields, there is no shortage of oil in the US. In fact they say there is a double lake of oil stretching from the edge of Georgia all the way over to Colorado. They are frustrated because they are told to cap off wells and just pump out natural gas. Their concensus is that the US will set on this oil until the rest of the world is dry and then be holding the ace in the hole.

Truthfully, I will believe it when I see the US building a whole lot more refineries. Due to greed I can't see tptb letting crude slip away to some other country to be refined. I'm sure that they want to have the whole process, start to finish, tied up right here at home for the most profit and CONTROL.

I have also heard the rumors that the drillers go back to what were dry wells and find that oil has returned.