Global Dimming

[randyt]

Video introduction from the website:

The effect was first spotted by Gerry Stanhill, an English scientist working in Israel. Comparing Israeli sunlight records from the 1950s with current ones, Stanhill was astonished to find a large fall in solar radiation. "There was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me," he says.

Intrigued, he searched out records from all around the world, and found the same story almost everywhere he looked, with sunlight falling by 10% over the USA, nearly 30% in parts of the former Soviet Union, and even by 16% in parts of the British Isles. Although the effect varied greatly from place to place, overall the decline amounted to 1-2% globally per decade between the 1950s and the 1990s.


http://stage6.divx.com/user/krahosk/video/1185037/Global-Dimming




Randy

[hagbard_celine]

Fookin' scaremongering crap!:mad:

If Global dimming is the same all over the world then how could that experiment in the Maldives work? They call the air from Antarctica "pristine", but at the start of the show they say that in Antarctica the rate of dimming is 6%, more than in Asia!

And how can that scientist in America draw such a big conclusion from one study, the few days after 9/11?

It supports the official line, that's why!:rolleyes:

[randyt]

Hi Hagbard_Celine,

Make of it what you will. I'm not here to defend the material.

If you had watched more carefully and more closely though you would have seen that the scientist you mention had been studying the effect of vapor trails (left by airplanes) on the climate for the past 15 years.

Some observable facts:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/08/photogalleries/extreme-weather/

Before dismissing this entire subject as " fookin' scaremongering crap" why don't you do some research on this subject yourself (books, articles, internet, interviews) and see what you come up with.



Randy

[hagbard_celine]

Hi Hagbard_Celine,

Make of it what you will. I'm not here to defend the material.

If you had watched more carefully and more closely though you would have seen that the scientist you mention had been studying the effect of vapor trails (left by airplanes) on the climate for the past 15 years.

Some observable facts:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/08/photogalleries/extreme-weather/

Before dismissing this entire subject as " fookin' scaremongering crap" why don't you do some research on this subject yourself (books, articles, internet, interviews) and see what you come up with.



Randy

I have and I still think it's "fookin' scaremongering crap".

I don't dispute that the phenomenon exist. I dispute its explanation. I dispute that a single study done for a single period of a few days after 9/11 is enough.

If global dimming is caused by vapour trails then it would not be the same everywhere. The programme contradicts itself here, because at the start it says that Antarctica had a level of global dimming in the same range as other parts of the world, yet a bit later they use wind from Antarctica as a control in the dimming experiment in the Maldives.

This programme is typical of the way "Horizon" has been harnessed to establishement propaganda. Did you see the double bill they made on Atlantis? They've given James Randi a platform on it to debunk homeopathy. Now they're paying tribute to the Carbon Cult. Science is very political, and in the past scientists have argued amongst themselves without trying to indoctrinate the layman, but that has now changed. Establishment science is using TV to promote itself among people who rely on and look up to scientists to treat them with respect.

I don't want to be brainwashed; I want to hear both sides of the story.

[randyt]

Hagbard_Celine,

It DOESN'T SAY that global dimming is caused by vapor trails AT ALL. This is not a conclusion presented from a study that "only took a few days"!
The vapor trails are mentioned as only ONE of the causes contributing to the phenomenon.

Also what is mentioned about Antarctica is that the experiment was done in the northern part of the Maldives because the air pollution coming from India was to much in the south.

Once I again, I absolutely do not care about what you want to believe about global dimming and/or global warming. Believe whatever you want to believe. If you feel that the information presented in the video has a brain washing effect then DON'T WATCH THE VIDEO.

The "other side of the story" is Nature 's side of the story, so if you want to know what Nature has to say about this I suggest you look around you.


Randy

[hagbard_celine]

I guess we'll just have to differ on this one.

I'm actually all in favour of cutting emmissions, but I'm much more concerned about radiation and chemicals etc than I am about carbon.

I hope you're not one of these people who see nuclear power as an alternative. But if you are, why do you think so?

[randyt]

Let's agree to disagree.

It is not just about being in favor of cutting emissions, being concerned about chemicals or carbons or nuclear energy. ALL of these have been polluting the environment in ways that are detrimental to human, animal and plant life on this planet.

And as the saying goes: "As you sow, so shall you reap".


Randy

[hagbard_celine]

Let's agree to disagree.

It is not just about being in favor of cutting emissions, being concerned about chemicals or carbons or nuclear energy. ALL of these have been polluting the environment in ways that are detrimental to human, animal and plant life on this planet.

And as the saying goes: "As you sow, so shall you reap".


Randy

That's true!

So what exactly do you think does cause global dimming? I won't argue with you, I'm just curious.

[randyt]

Hi Hagbard_Celine,

I am not going to tell you to watch the video (again) but the answer to your question is quite obvious. Anything, anything, that causes air pollution contributes to global dimming in one way or another. If you don't like what you have seen on the URL I posted, I strongly recommend (as I said before) that you try to find your own sources of information with regard to this topic.

Randy

[hagbard_celine]

As you wish.

I don't need to find information on my dignity because I already have all the information on that subject that I need.

yours sincerely,

HC

(Tumbridge Wells)

[lostinstrangeworld]

I think global warming is a scam, on the other hand it might not be an altogether bad thing to help the human race learn how to respect Mother Earth more.........

However, I do think it is a scam. There is a documentary on google called 'The Great Global Warming Swindle.' It's very good.

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, Global Warming is a total fallacy, but you're right: It's good that it focuses people on caring for the environment. But this might backfire because being so focused on carbon emmissioins might stop people caring about other envronmental disasters that ARE very real. For instance they might say: "I don't care about that leaking nuclear reactor because radiation doesn't effect carbon emmissions."

Also the nuclear power industry is taking advantage of the global warmning scaremongering to promote itself. There was an article in Nexus a while back about that. There's talk of rebuilding a power station near my home from coal to nuclear. Even elements of the green movement are supporting this, seeing it as the only choice.