What if the H5N1 vaccine is safe?

[bendelapidate]

Today I viewed several videos on the subject. One thing that jumped out at me as odd was the recommendation that the elderly hold off on getting the vaccine.

Then I thought, what if the authorities are trying to cull the ageing population in an attempt to try and reduce the burden on the working population?

It's just another angle. I'm open to the idea that it is about mass genocide but if this was the case, why are they saying that pregnant women and children should receive the vaccine first?

A bunch of people over 60 won't be of much use to the NWO.

[mrindigo]

That's a possibility that I've been thinking of too. I haven't quite set my decision on the subject just yet. At this point I think all we can really do is research as many angles as possible.

[michael christopher]

Go get it if you want. I'll never get a vaccine manufactured by the Baxter Corporation.

There are lots of other questions too: "what if fluoride is good for us?" "what if mercury is good for us?" "what if aspartame is good for us?"

I guess the answers to those questions just depends on your definition of what "good" is.

[hawk]

That vaccine is reputed to contain mercury,too. So, now we really have a good idea why they want us to take it. If you happen to survive,that is.

[wildhorse]

what if it isn't safe? ;)

don't forget, the eldery have been getting their own lil flu jabs for the past few years.

I am worried that any pregnant mother should be getting chemicals and disease injected into her. That is instinctive. Remember what happened when they were given them safe anti morning sickness drugs?

how dare women moan about them!!! ...nobody DIED did they?? (well....)

ferrets and other test animals died very quickly after receiving the vaccines. That doesnt instill confidence in me tbh.

[scotty99]

Why waste a vaccine on an elderly person who may not be round for too much longer, when you can give a youngster a chemical laden vaccine that will weaken their immune systems, that will cause all manner of health problems thoughout their lives, making a fortune along the way...........Ritalin anyone $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[bendelapidate]

The likelihood that vaccines pose a risk to a percentage of the population is well established.

It's fact that mercury is a potent neurotoxin and that it is converted by the body into inorganic mercury in the brain, where it kills brain cells.

Fluoride in water is also wrong. It should be a personal choice what you take into your body.

My theory is that the vaccine might stop 90% of those who receive it from dying of swine flu but on the condition that these people also accept a potentially consciousness-collapsing cocktail of chemicals and genetic material, almost like a strange witches brew.

The end result would be a productive, robotic young population with much of their ability to see beyond the confines of the system taken away. This is just what the elite have been wanting for so long.

[jenny4]

Safe vaccine? I don't think so.

[qeutey]

I'll assume you mean H1N1. Bird flu is next year :p

Here is the deal - there is nothing new or scary about the Swine flu vaccine. It is hardly any different to the normal seasonal flu shot that millions benefit from every year. It just needs to be tailored for the specific parameters of the flu strain that it is targetted against. The only possible difference is because it will be needed in much larger numbers - no one has natural immunity to a new strain - so they are looking into using adjuvants which make it go further. These are believed to be behind the Gulf War syndrome controversy.

Some people will have mild reactions to it. Some will have severe. With the flu as it currently stands the vaccine could be about as harmful as the flu. However flu mutates very well - there are already uniquely identifiable sub-strains of the current flu in areas of large population such as London and New York. This flu could very easily become much more deadly (as history has shown) and many millions could die - it is then that the risks of a vaccine pale into insignificance. The more people that catch it, the more times it will mutate so even if you stop a lot of mild cases, you are potentially preventing a mass killer.

[bendelapidate]

And there is a notable fact that people should be aware of before considering accepting the vaccine:

Baxter patented the vaccine in 2007


Given that they must have needed to have begun the patenting process a while before it was granted, it means that Baxter knew that this strain of flu existed long before it became known to the mass media.

If they were so worried about it, why didn't they immediately lobby governments around the world to begin funding a massive ramp-up in production of the vaccine and distribute it to the worlds populations?

The other worrying aspect to this whole thing is that governments are "planning" for a pandemic. How do you plan for a pandemic? Does it mean you know what's coming because it was you who created it in the first place?

I must emphasise that you should make your own mind up about this virus and stick to known facts when deciding.

[qeutey]

The other worrying aspect to this whole thing is that governments are "planning" for a pandemic. How do you plan for a pandemic? Does it mean you know what's coming because it was you who created it in the first place?

The same way that they planned for the year 2000 with all cities identifying temporary morgues and the same way they plan for terrorist incidents and planes falling out of skies and climate change and meteor strikes and electricity distribution failing etc etc. It is the responsible thing to do! A lot of people are employed to look into what-ifs that may or may not happen.

[michael christopher]

The same way that they planned for the year 2000 with all cities identifying temporary morgues and the same way they plan for terrorist incidents and planes falling out of skies and climate change and meteor strikes and electricity distribution failing etc etc. It is the responsible thing to do! A lot of people are employed to look into what-ifs that may or may not happen.

It's not responsible to forcibly push a vaccine onto a population while hyping up the threat of a flu strain that kills less people than the normal flu does, it's also not responsible to at the same time as doing all of that pass legislation that makes it impossible to sue Baxter Pharmaceutical or any US government official for side effects caused by the administration of this vaccine, side effects which could include cancer, THE SWINE FLU ITSELF, a weakened central-nervous system, etc. etc. etc.

These vaccines cause far more harm than they help, and if you want proof, look at the flu scare prior to 1920, where the vaccinations actually caused more deaths than they prevented.

A responsible government would NOT hype up the swine flu, nor would they pass laws forcing people to take the vaccination or be interned in a camp, which is a straight-up fact. They are openly hiring on Monster.com for internment camp security guards!

If you think this vaccine is good for you, then you probably deserve to get it.

[qeutey]

These vaccines cause far more harm than they help, and if you want proof, look at the flu scare prior to 1920, where the vaccinations actually caused more deaths than they prevented.

Would you like to clarify which flu scare prior to 1920 you are referring to.

[michael christopher]

Would you like to clarify which flu scare prior to 1920 you are referring to.

The 1918 Spanish flu scare.

[them]

These vaccines cause far more harm than they help, and if you want proof, look at the flu scare prior to 1920, where the vaccinations actually caused more deaths than they prevented.



There wasn't a vaccine for the 1918 outbreak.

Unless you have proof that there was and that it killed more than fifty percent of the C.75 million mortalities.

[qeutey]

The 1918 Spanish flu scare.

lol.




Like they say, ignorance breeds fear. (and it seems, conspiracy theories)

[michael christopher]

lol.




Like they say, ignorance breeds fear. (and it seems, conspiracy theories)

Go ahead, then. Get the vaccine. I for one will not be getting it, regardless of whether or not it's legally declared "mandatory." We'll see whose health is more adversely effected. :)

You are free to do as you please. I will certainly argue for no government mandate to force you to take something you don't want to take.

[stockstalker]

The child has an under-developed immune system. The pregnant woman has an "extra" load on her bodily functions, including her immune system. The elderly has a worn down immune system. Lokking back at the SARS virus, it only killed off the very young, or the elderly (most of the time). So, if you wanna commit mass genocide, make something that will overload the immune system. Only the healthy adults will be able to bear the load and "make it thru".

[qeutey]

Go ahead, then. Get the vaccine. I for one will not be getting it, regardless of whether or not it's legally declared "mandatory." We'll see whose health is more adversely effected. :)

You are free to do as you please. I will certainly argue for no government mandate to force you to take something you don't want to take.

As per my other posts, I do not believe for one minute that a vaccine will be forced on the general population. There may or may not be some pressure for people in certain professions, I wouldn't be privy to that.

For what it is worth, as things stand, I personally would not choose to take a vaccine should it be offered to me. Of course I would have to consider how I would feel, if I catch it, having not taken a vaccine and someone else, perhaps more vulnerable dies, or they go on and pass the virus on to others where it then mutates into a more deadly form, resulting in millions of deaths.

I would not however tell other people what to do or not do without being well informed on the subject.

[michael christopher]

As per my other posts, I do not believe for one minute that a vaccine will be forced on the general population. There may or may not be some pressure for people in certain professions, I wouldn't be privy to that.

For what it is worth, as things stand, I personally would not choose to take a vaccine should it be offered to me. Of course I would have to consider how I would feel, if I catch it, having not taken a vaccine and someone else, perhaps more vulnerable dies, or they go on and pass the virus on to others where it then mutates into a more deadly form, resulting in millions of deaths.

I would not however tell other people what to do or not do without being well informed on the subject.

Tell me, why are there open job postings on Monster.com for security officers for "internment/resettlement" camps which will house "prisoners" - prisoners of what nature?

monster.com (http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?JobID=82289270&brd=1&q=+internment&cy=us&lid=316&re=130&AVSDM=2009-07-16+09%3a18%3a00&pg=1&seq=1&fseo=1&isjs=1&re=1000)

Have you ever heard of internment/resettlement camps in your lifetime in America? Clearly this is a new initiative. What could this initiative involve? Could it involve those FEMA camps we have photographs and videos of? Are these just there "just in case" something happens? You don't think it's possible that these camps are created for people who refuse vaccinations if they can lobby enough support for forced public vaccinations? I'm not saying they can lobby enough support - primarily because people know what the game is, and the game is up. More people than ever are going to refuse these vaccines and more people than ever know the media is a propaganda machine for the government. You call me uninformed, yet you yourself will not take the vaccination. Why not? You think it will benefit others but not yourself? You won't take it because you know of it's negative health effects, and you should also recognize why it's being pushed on the public.

Maybe I'm misreading you though. Either way, if you are claiming there is no ill intent on the part of the government in this vaccination scare, then I think you are sorely mistaken. Just my personal opinion. Trust me, I'm well-informed enough to have my own opinion.

[not amused]

we are not getting anywhere near enough info, how come ALL the victims families want privacy which is being respected by the press, What are the underlying health problems? what age? what ethnic origin? something stinks bad about all this, no reports of any local outbreaks I live 80 miles from london and I don't know of 1 person infected. as it stands I won't be vaccinated, I had flu 15 years ago so I must have some antibodies anyway, I think it's all alot of old bollox.

[qeutey]

You don't think it's possible that these camps are created for people who refuse vaccinations if they can lobby enough support for forced public vaccinations?

No.

Why not? You think it will benefit others but not yourself? You won't take it because you know of it's negative health effects, and you should also recognize why it's being pushed on the public.

I said "as things stand". If the flu mutates and becomes more deadly as it well might I will reconsider. I am fit and healthy and do not have any of the risk factors such as obesety, asthma etc. and am confident in my ability to self-quarantine and know it will not affect my profession. I do not do drugs, legal or otherwise, even aspirin or paracetamol - not because I think it will kill me or is some agenda "by the government" but because that is my choice.


Maybe I'm misreading you though. Either way, if you are claiming there is no ill intent on the part of the government in this vaccination scare, then I think you are sorely mistaken. Just my personal opinion.

Your interpretation is correct and if that is your informed opinion then good luck to you.

Trust me, I'm well-informed enough to have my own opinion.

Just that your comments on 1920 suggested otherwise.

[tom bombadil]

The likelihood that vaccines pose a risk to a percentage of the population is well established.

My theory is that the vaccine might stop 90% of those who receive it from dying of swine flu but on the condition that these people also accept a potentially consciousness-collapsing cocktail of chemicals and genetic material, almost like a strange witches brew.

Hullo bendelapidate. The evidence has been there for years that has suggested that 'any' vaccination is bad for the recipitant. We need to have to look at what a virus is to understand that one cant just screen yourself, or another, from it at all. AT ALL. I will explain that at the bottom of this post....

Your first point though, if you think about it, if you tell someone that thinks they are prone to the problem to hold back, then you are sure to make them want it first. A demand is set up. For example, I want you to wear green socks. I tell everyone else that they will be getting green socks for free but you are to pay me for them. You moan (:) not you) that you should not be left out and be expected to pay, so I submit to you and give you green socks to wear and you do. I win.

By holding back from folk, they will want to get it first. I then give it to them. And this kind of answers your last question in your first post.

They do want you to die. Sorry. But that is that. And by injecting your body, straight into the vein, with another animals (or birds) tissue, then that is a good way of going about it.

I'll assume you mean H1N1. Bird flu is next year :p

Here is the deal - there is nothing new or scary about the Swine flu vaccine. It is hardly any different to the normal seasonal flu shot that millions benefit from every year. It just needs to be tailored for the specific parameters of the flu strain that it is targetted against. The only possible difference is because it will be needed in much larger numbers - no one has natural immunity to a new strain - so they are looking into using adjuvants which make it go further. These are believed to be behind the Gulf War syndrome controversy.

Some people will have mild reactions to it. Some will have severe. With the flu as it currently stands the vaccine could be about as harmful as the flu. However flu mutates very well - there are already uniquely identifiable sub-strains of the current flu in areas of large population such as London and New York. This flu could very easily become much more deadly (as history has shown) and many millions could die - it is then that the risks of a vaccine pale into insignificance. The more people that catch it, the more times it will mutate so even if you stop a lot of mild cases, you are potentially preventing a mass killer.

Hullo qeutey. I left all your post and bolded the bits that need addressing (I think :))

You are right that nobody has an imunity. But indeed, noone will ever have one. See below at the bottom of the page....

Sorry but a 'flu' never mutates. EVER. Again, see below.....


....[B] I do not believe for one minute that a vaccine will be forced on the general population.......

...Of course I would have to consider how I would feel, if I catch it, having not taken a vaccine and someone else, perhaps more vulnerable dies, or they go on and pass the virus on to others where it then mutates into a more deadly form, resulting......
I would not however tell other people what to do or not do without being well informed on the subject.

Hullo qeutey. Again :)

Your first point in that post... It is.... http://www.naturalnews.com/026723_health_vaccines_immune_system.html

More at the bottom.

The second bit again points to a missunderstanding by many (me included up untill a short while ago :confused: )

I will sum it up for all below and I have pasted it from a post that was on the same subject matter that I responded to in an other fourum...But I will update it at the end;

''The only way to 'contract' a flu is to get it intravenasly (straight into the blood). When someone passes on a 'virus' which no one can, it is the particles of human tissue inside the virus that cause tha damage. Or in this case the pig tissues. Your body would react to the tissue in the same way as the host's body (the pig) did.

What you and I absorb into the blood stream is not cornflakes or milk or bacon or tea or coffee. If it were then we would be dead. We have a body that breaks it down to its constituant parts. So when you sit there as a child and chew on tin foil, you dont turn into metal mickey, you recive the tin and get rid of the rest. The problem with tin is that it is not good for us in vast quantities so we might react to it straight away or at a later date when the tin has done some damge in your body and your body says that it is enough. It produces the virus (your own) to get rid of the tin. the virus ends up in your blood, You body does then react to this virus and it looks as if you have 'flu' or what we call flu, ie the sniffles ect. This is the way it works. The stuff in the vaccine (so some like myself are suggesting) contains heavy metals and bits of pig cells (remember that when you or anyone had to get rid of the heavy tin or other non complient matter in your body, your body would send in a virus to clean your body and your body 'got' the symtoms of flu? Well your body also rejected some of its own cells with the problems inside) And this on top of putting it directly into your blood would cause a reaction. It will. It can be a mild reaction or kill you dead. It has happened. But I and others are saying that this is what it is all about. To give you flu. To make your bodies react to sell more vaccines and to keep the big pharma in pocket.

A radio show here explains it all. Spend time on it and you wont regret it.... http://www.superhumanradio.com/core/shr_archive.htm then goto the show stack below the display and choose show 298



http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/28/military-planning-for-possible-h1n1-outbreak/

http://www.naturalnews.com/z026717_swine_flu_flu_vaccine_swine_flu_vaccine.ht ml

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/plans-for-vaccine-bracelets-to-be-forced-on-people-at-road-blocks/

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/swiss-army-stockpiles-swine-flu-vaccines-in-preparation-for-mass-forced-vaccination-in-autumn/



Nelly.

[pduffy4]

There is NO such thing as a safe vaccine, ever.

How there can still be people on this forum who could think vaccines are safe is beyond me.

[qeutey]

Your first point in that post... It is.... http://www.naturalnews.com/026723_health_vaccines_immune_system.html

More at the bottom.


Yes, I am familiar with that particular report with the sensationalist title "It is Official: WHO Recommends Mandatory Injections" that goes on to mention the WHO and names several people and alledged meetings that may or may not have taken place. It does not actual quote or reference any statement to support the title but states "vaccines will be needed in all countries". It then quotes a journalist whos work I am familiar with and does not add credibility in my eyes. It then goes on to talk about who the vaccine should be given to first (all very sensible), but with no mention of it being forced on them and then goes on to say how it is designed to kill with "a lethal blow to the body."

I don't buy any of it but we will of course soon find out.

I do find it interesting that if you do a search on "forced flu vaccines" nearly all you get are links to conspiracy sites and the fraudsters who "are fighting the battle for you, to help us do this please send cheque or paypal order.....".

[them]

If they have a highly pathogenic virus they can kill us all with; why do they need to vaccinate everybody forcefully to realise their mass cull ambitions?

Surely just infecting a few individuals at Heathrow, for example, would do it.

[bendelapidate]

I'm not a microbiologist, but from what I can gather the vaccine and the live virus are a bit like pieces of a jigsaw. It's not until they combine that they become deadly.

By creating a vaccine and inoculating millions, it's just a matter of time before a percentage of them are exposed to the live virus with the possibility that the lethal combination kicks in and kills a percentage of them.

What determines the proportion that die is anybodies guess - it could involve other factors such as genetic make-up etc. but it seems possible that contingency has been made for 10% of the population winding up dead.

[them]

I'm not a microbiologist, but from what I can gather the vaccine and the live virus are a bit like pieces of a jigsaw. It's not until they combine that they become deadly

A vaccine, a modern one, only contains antibodies to, lets say, an HP5 virus.

That's as straightforward as it gets :)

[bendelapidate]

A vaccine, a modern one, only contains antibodies to, lets say, an HP5 virus.

That's as straightforward as it gets :)

The vaccine itself doesn't contain antibodies. It contains a muted form of the real virus. Theoretically, the body recognises it as being the real thing and makes antibodies against it. That way, if you are exposed to the real virus, your body already has a head start.

The question with the swine flu vaccine is about the strange list of components and additives that it contains. All this is being done, it is claimed, to make the vaccine go further and to keep it fresh for as long as possible. But would you really want to have animal DNA injected into your body without any explanation about why it's there?

In my opinion, vaccine makers should be forced to list the ingredients in their product in the same way as food manufacturers. All the additives should be tested for safety as if they are drugs and in the same way as codex ailimentarius seeks to impose on vitamins/minerals/herbal supplements.

Are you given the opportunity to "read the label", review the ingredients/additives of your vaccination before it's injected into your body? No, didn't think so - yet the rules governing what is allowed to be put into food are in many cases stricter than something that's injected directly into the body.

[life2live]

would you really want to have animal DNA injected into your body without any explanation about why it's there?


Depends what Animal, I'd pick a Lion Myself...... Others may prefer amphibians..... :)

I think the vaccination is just unnecessary. Just More Fear and More Lies.

[them]

The vaccine itself doesn't contain antibodies. It contains a muted form of the real virus. Theoretically, the body recognises it as being the real thing and makes antibodies against it. That way, if you are exposed to the real virus, your body already has a head start.

The question with the swine flu vaccine is about the strange list of components and additives that it contains. All this is being done, it is claimed, to make the vaccine go further and to keep it fresh for as long as possible. But would you really want to have animal DNA injected into your body without any explanation about why it's there?

In my opinion, vaccine makers should be forced to list the ingredients in their product in the same way as food manufacturers. All the additives should be tested for safety as if they are drugs and in the same way as codex ailimentarius seeks to impose on vitamins/minerals/herbal supplements.

Are you given the opportunity to "read the label", review the ingredients/additives of your vaccination before it's injected into your body? No, didn't think so - yet the rules governing what is allowed to be put into food are in many cases stricter than something that's injected directly into the body.

I'm afraid you're wrong. Modern flu vaccines contains antibodies not a soft/muted version of a live virus.

The DNA stuff, however, is a different question.

http://www.currieecology.org.uk/images/quadrangle/plantdiversity/algae.jpg

We share a statistically significant proportion of our DNA with algae..

[life2live]

Its common Intelligence program to offer an idea of alternate reality. By making the person believe its "a game" prevents challenge to authority and makes them feel superior "in the know". It also switches off the normal stop signs someone goes through when looking at there situation.

By making someone believe there in an alternate reality normal inhibitions don't apply. They can be programed to do anything you wish them to do. Far worse than being asleep is to believe its a game.......

[cruise4]

WHO Is Jane Burgermeister?
From Devvy Kidd
8-2-9


I had Dr. Evangellista on my radio show last Friday night. This is what he sent me about Burgermeister; he has the patents to prove she has the wrong pharma house...

Devvy,

Thought I would share this with you, so you can see some of the evidence for yourself, if interested.

Jane Burgermeister is a fraud, and her WHO/BAXTER lawsuit (no record of a lawsuit) is based on false information. (Simply a publicity stunt, etc)

Furthermore, due to an ongoing investigation into this matter by myself, and several notable doctors and researchers around the country, the pharmaceutical firm responsible for "reverse engineering" the tri-recombinant flu vaccine is NOVARTIS, not Baxter !!!

The major one being, MOTIVE, as to why Burgermeister has indulged in both fraud and in deception. This motive is now becoming more apparent, as, there may be a "possibility" that Novartis has their hand in Burgermeister's activities , either directly, or indirectly.

Please ensure everyone sees this correction, otherwise, people will be looking in the wrong direction when the "bomb" goes off !! Novartis, which had its hand in flu development - "most likely with some folks from Ft. Detrick" - has been working on this for more than 4+ years (FACT).

Arthur M. Evangelista, PhD
(former federal [FDA] investigator)
Dir. of Operations & Research

http://www.rense.com/general86/whois.htm

[cruise4]

It makes perfect sense to target the pregnant and young first. The aged are nearly dead amd going to actively seek further harmful procedures. They are easy meat. There's also reports of increased risk in the P & Y groups. The middle group... well not so hard either. They don't want to wipe you out, they want you to wipe each other out IMO.

[motleyhoo]

Look at it a different way. You have to ask yourself if you trust the medical establishment, your govt, and the corporations creating the vaccine. Then ask yourself if you want these people injecting an unidentifiable amalgam of chemicals into your bloodstream. Do you really know what is in that syringe? This shows how people can lose all perspective in the face of propaganda. I know people who won't eat a salad if they find a spot on one lettuce leaf, but they have no worries about lining up like lemmings to receive shots from unknown authority figures. Think about that.

[motleyhoo]

WHO Is Jane Burgermeister?
From Devvy Kidd
8-2-9


I had Dr. Evangellista on my radio show last Friday night. This is what he sent me about Burgermeister; he has the patents to prove she has the wrong pharma house...

Devvy,

Thought I would share this with you, so you can see some of the evidence for yourself, if interested.

Jane Burgermeister is a fraud, and her WHO/BAXTER lawsuit (no record of a lawsuit) is based on false information. (Simply a publicity stunt, etc)

Furthermore, due to an ongoing investigation into this matter by myself, and several notable doctors and researchers around the country, the pharmaceutical firm responsible for "reverse engineering" the tri-recombinant flu vaccine is NOVARTIS, not Baxter !!!

The major one being, MOTIVE, as to why Burgermeister has indulged in both fraud and in deception. This motive is now becoming more apparent, as, there may be a "possibility" that Novartis has their hand in Burgermeister's activities , either directly, or indirectly.

Please ensure everyone sees this correction, otherwise, people will be looking in the wrong direction when the "bomb" goes off !! Novartis, which had its hand in flu development - "most likely with some folks from Ft. Detrick" - has been working on this for more than 4+ years (FACT).

Arthur M. Evangelista, PhD
(former federal [FDA] investigator)
Dir. of Operations & Research

http://www.rense.com/general86/whois.htm

That Baxter specifically sent bird flu tainted vaccines to 18 different countries, and that this plan (combining multiple strains within a level 3 securitized biological facility cannot be an accident) was thwarted when a staffer in Austria tested it on ferrets, that all subsequently died, is a verifiable fact. Whether or not Burgermeister's conclusions are correct is speculation, but the occurrences leading to those conclusions are all facts that have been verified/published across many media sources.

The real question is, were the vaccines administered in Mexico that started the Swine Flu outbreak also created by Baxter? If you look at the make-up of the swine flu virus, it looks remarkably like the tainted vaccine previously shipped out by Baxter if you subtract out bird flu and replace that strain with DNA from the 1918 flu. And consequently, the CDC and WHO just recently said that people who had previously been infected by the 1918 Spanish flu are immune to this new swine flu. Imagine that!!!

.

[biblegirl]

There is not one conclusive study anywhere in the world that shows vaccines to be effective. Not one. Not a single one. Not even the vaccine manufacturers will fund a study to test their vaccine's effectiveness. Not one vaccine has ever been proven to be effective, ever. I suggest anyone who thinks vaccines might work look for a study that shows vaccines work.

[pri01]

There is not one conclusive study anywhere in the world that shows vaccines to be effective. Not one. Not a single one. Not even the vaccine manufacturers will fund a study to test their vaccine's effectiveness. Not one vaccine has ever been proven to be effective, ever. I suggest anyone who thinks vaccines might work look for a study that shows vaccines work.

I actually do not believe that a virus exists. That would probably explain why vaccines don't work. It is the vaccine, well a proportion of them that will kill. They can't have everyone dropping like flies after being injected as that would give the game away.:(

[cruise4]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74680&page=2

Have you read the article posted at the bottom of this page, and probably elsewhere... there IS something weird going on here. We'll see what develops but Austria, Fired and multiple ongoing ill targeted court cases (which will go nowhere) seems suss to me at present.

I also believe vaccines are not to immunise you but to immune - ise you

[motleyhoo]

There is not one conclusive study anywhere in the world that shows vaccines to be effective. Not one. Not a single one. Not even the vaccine manufacturers will fund a study to test their vaccine's effectiveness. Not one vaccine has ever been proven to be effective, ever. I suggest anyone who thinks vaccines might work look for a study that shows vaccines work.

It is no coincidence that the people I associate with in and outside of work who religiously get their yearly flu shots are the ones who seem to always be sick with the sniffles, colds, or the flu.

.

[drooh]

http://euro-med.dk/?p=9152

Worth a read.

[chipstyxx]

Surely it goes against all logic to inject a neuro toxin such as Mercury and a cocktail of other poisons directly into your blood stream. Usually exposure to such poisons would be by ingestion which means at least it would have to pass through various membranes and barriers in your body. Even then the effects can be really serious.
To add to this, on one hand the government advise pregnant women to limit fish consumption (due to mercury contamination) yet in the next breath they are reccomending that pregnant women should inject it directly into their blood stream! That's just insane. It is impossible to inject a poison directly into the blood stream and not see some negative effect. How much do you want to gamble?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/27/insider-reveals-how-fda-demolished-safe-mercury-levels.aspx
If infants or fetuses are exposed to mercury, it can cause:

• Mental retardation
• Cerebral palsy
• Deafness
• Blindness

And even in low doses mercury can interfere with a child’s development, leading to shortened attention span and learning disabilities. These risks are incredibly prevalent, as a 2005 report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that one in 17 women of childbearing age have mercury levels (above 5.8 micrograms per liter) that could harm a developing fetus.

In adults, mercury poisoning can be a serious risk as well, and has been linked to fertility problems, memory and vision loss, and trouble with blood pressure regulation. It can also cause extreme fatigue and neuro-muscular dysfunction


Apparently the UK has been 'phasing out' high levels of mercury in it's vaccines but the US government is still happy to include mercury at levels way higher than the safe levels they themselves set. I can't see any listing so far of exactly what they are going to include. Who knows they may make one batch of flu virus and then change the ingridients after you've signed the consent form a la the 'swine flu 1976 episode'. No way would I trust our governments on this one.

[ustane]

Today I viewed several videos on the subject. One thing that jumped out at me as odd was the recommendation that the elderly hold off on getting the vaccine.

Then I thought, what if the authorities are trying to cull the ageing population in an attempt to try and reduce the burden on the working population?

It's just another angle. I'm open to the idea that it is about mass genocide but if this was the case, why are they saying that pregnant women and children should receive the vaccine first?

A bunch of people over 60 won't be of much use to the NWO.

Other than being weaker and more likely to have some who are senile.