how can i make my family see the truth !!!

[mr_starfire]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

[disorder2k8]

start them off with the scientific, plausible stuff then move on to the heavier(conspiracy related) research later


open their awareness of the possibilities of 'other things' first

Always point out whats in the news, its helps to back things up

[mntruthseeker]

I am in the same boat. I was told that there would be a mass awakening in Aug. I pray to God that they are right and its not too late.

I have been called crazy, and am tired of the people that roll their eyes at me. Some just giggle or avoid me altogether. I dont want them to wake up when its too late.

They tell me to bring it up once and awhile and let it go. I am through arguing

[notthisshitagain]

I am in the same boat. I was told that there would be a mass awakening in Aug. I pray to God that they are right and its not too late.

I have been called crazy, and am tired of the people that roll their eyes at me. Some just giggle or avoid me altogether. I dont want them to wake up when its too late.

They tell me to bring it up once and awhile and let it go. I am through arguing

I do understand that it's hard when your loved ones won't "wake" up.. but then again, it is a matter of choice, too. You can't force people to go where you want them to. If they decide to not listen to you or whatever, it is their choice after all. At least, that's my opinion, I could be wrong.

[whitenight639]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)


tell ur mrs theres no way ur kids bieng vaccinated against swine flue, n show her why, compile a list of the best sources and videos u can get then show her. if she still thinks ur mad tel her bollocks there not bieng vacinated!!

if the pigs start going door to door in full riot gear she will soon question the official story.

relax tho its no big deal..

[Ian2day]

People who are allergic to eggs will not receive the vaccine.

[lgorenc]

I played three of David's lectures videos to my wife and she was instantly mesmerized by his eloquent presentation of the world we live in. Now we share the same views on what's going around.
I also like listening to Alex Jones radio, but David Icke has a spiritual side of this matter, while Alex, let's be honest, is a pro-gun, Catholic oriented bigmouth bent on overacting and drama.

[stockstalker]

Start with something more interesting than the NWO. Challenge all their assumptions about the world. Start with something like:

YOU: "Did you know that when I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut and go to the moon?"
THEM: "Really? Well, what stopped you from going?"
YOU: "I dunno, ppl already done it, so there wouldn't be much glory in that."
THEM: "Well, it was your dream. Why didn't you just live it out anyways?"
YOU: "Aha! I gotcha! You thought man went to the moon didn't you? You thought that man went to the moon b/c you assumed that whatever you saw, read, and heard, especially from your grade school teacher, was true."

Then go show them this thread, which gives you concrete evidence the moon landing was utterly fake:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74477

Peak their curiosity, and go from there to the NWO.

[decode reality]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)


Hi....the scenario you're describing is something that Icke himself referred to in '94, in 'The Robots' Rebellion'. He spoke about how the rising 'truth vibrations' could affect people in relationships. Both partners could choose to embrace the changes but in many cases, one would go with it and the other resists. This would create conflict with people who previously were on the same wavelength (literally). If you're in Truth, then relationships/friendships where you have completely opposing worldviews are inevitably going to be challenged in a world like this.

As someone else has said, start with the scientific information. There are stickies here and facebook groups and sites by people like Joel Lord, Greg Nick and others- they have compendiums of info for you to tap into. Talk to her about the Baxter company's dubious track record, the fact that the original vaccine caused more deaths than the 'flu' itself, back in '76.

I wish you luck....keep us posted.

[decode reality]

You might have to leave out David Icke, if it's not having the desired response by bringing his name up.

Sadly, some people cannot get beyond The Wogan show, May 1991. You may as well big up Boris Johnson.

A lot of minds out there might just need to see that it's not just guys like David Icke who are dead against the vaccine. THEN you might be able to play his vids etc and you family will take notice on the vaccine issue and others.

Don't hold your breath though. They might not even respond to gentle prodding, much less force. I have family members whom I've put info to over the years. I don't do it now. They don't have the appetite for it. It's like trying to get people who eat greasy junk foodto start appreciating broccoli. You can say all you want about how the junk affects health or reduces their life span etc

[tracker]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

Families can be our worst enemies concerning seeing the truth ( at times ). I recommend you dont even try .

You will only bash your head on a wall every time , and some times family will bounce back calling you strange or parranoid and it can eventually do you a lot of harm ! and yes thatis a statement too .

If you keep trying and they keep resisting , it will only leed to no good , so dont even bother .

If like some people you feel the need to have your family resist you all the time by all means carry on .

it isnt what you believe that can place you in danger ----------its how you tell others about that belief that can do the damage . Sometimes is just best not to tell .

:cool:

[decode reality]

Families can be our worst enemies concerning seeing the truth ( at times ). I recommend you dont even try .

You will only bash your head on a wall every time , and some times family will bounce back calling you strange or parranoid and it can eventually do you a lot of harm ! and yes thatis a statement too .

If you keep trying and they keep resisting , it will only leed to no good , so dont even bother .

If like some people you feel the need to have your family resist you all the time by all means carry on .

it isnt what you believe that can place you in danger ----------its how you tell others about that belief that can do the damage . Sometimes is just best not to tell .

:cool:

I agree entirely.

[love life]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

Firstly, of course you are intelligent. And it's understandable that you should feel some anxiety over this situation.

My advise is this: Take your own counsel. Meditate upon the best way forward and listen to how you feel about the thoughts that come into your head. Always take the best feeling thought as the way forward.

My opinion is thus: The vaccine is harmless, unless you convince your children of it otherwise. And if you kick up a huge song and dance about them taking it, you and your partner argue about it, they - your children - are sure to pick up on this, and the trauma that they will mentally and emotional project into this harmless substance will give it power.

All drugs are placebo's and it is your mental and emotional belief in their power over you that wields the spell to cure or to do you harm. This vaccine is no different. Forgetabout it. Ignore it, whatever DO NOT NEGATIVELY EMPOWER IT by giving it both your thoughts and emotions.

Your kids will be fine as long as they remain either ignorant about the objections to taking it, or the supposed reasons for it being harmful to them. Ignorance is indeed bliss when taken in this context. Or you could talk about it positively to them and waylay any of their fears. Nip them in the bud before they start to ferment; however this may prove too difficult for you because you have already formed strong emotional feelings towards this subject being on fixed within the negative.

So, protect your children from the mental and emotional anguish of both you and your partner, the Media frenzy and all negavie speculation relating to this vaccine.

Good luck and determindly make the decision you come to the right one.

[love life]

Oh, and don't try to convince anybody of anything. The world is not broken, you are not here to fix it or put it right. Let people be and do as they wish; to think how they choose and stop with the evangelising of your current opinion.

Your answers are your answers, why should anyone else need to take your opinions - or anyone else's opinions - onboard as their own?

[aura]

Show them some DVDs which are related, they can be found on ebay for £1 each - helps alot then trying to explain everything.

[bsmurph83]

[QUOTE=love life;1163807]

All drugs are placebo's and it is your mental and emotional belief in their power over you that wields the spell to cure or to do you harm. This vaccine is no different. Forgetabout it. Ignore it, whatever DO NOT NEGATIVELY EMPOWER IT by giving it both your thoughts and emotions.

Your kids will be fine as long as they remain either ignorant about the objections to taking it, or the supposed reasons for it being harmful to them. Ignorance is indeed bliss when taken in this context. Or you could talk about it positively to them and waylay any of their fears. Nip them in the bud before they start to ferment; however this may prove too difficult for you because you have already formed strong emotional feelings towards this subject being on fixed within the negative.

QUOTE]

i understand where love life is coming from, but, vaccines have killed, maimed and caused permanent neurological damage in newborn babies who (obviously) had no belief one way or the other about it, and whose parents thought it was safe. obviously the administering doctors thought it was safe too, and thus, we see that it can't always be about the placebo effect. often - yes. always - no.

it isn't ALWAYS in the mind.

[love life]

i understand where love life is coming from, but, vaccines have killed, maimed and caused permanent neurological damage in newborn babies who (obviously) had no belief one way or the other about it, and whose parents thought it was safe. obviously the administering doctors thought it was safe too, and thus, we see that it can't always be about the placebo effect. often - yes. always - no.

it isn't ALWAYS in the mind.

It is. :)

[largejack]

Let them no what's happening, so that there is a seed planted in the back of their minds, and as the situation develops and the problems deepen keep reminding them what you told them.

[21_12_2012]

My opinion is thus: The vaccine is harmless, unless you convince your children of it otherwise. And if you kick up a huge song and dance about them taking it, you and your partner argue about it, they - your children - are sure to pick up on this, and the trauma that they will mentally and emotional project into this harmless substance will give it power.

Vaccines...harmless ? Are you being serious ?

What about the thousands(millions) of autistic/ADHD sufferers in the world affected by the MMR vaccine, and those (including myself) who have serious aversions
to mercury/thimerosal, causing serious immune system deficiencies and concentration
and focus abilities ?
Nobody caused them to feel negative about vaccines before they took them.

Vaccines are NOT harmless, it is ridiculous to suggest that they are, especially
with the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

All drugs are placebo's and it is your mental and emotional belief in their power over you that wields the spell to cure or to do you harm. This vaccine is no different. Forgetabout it. Ignore it, whatever DO NOT NEGATIVELY EMPOWER IT by giving it both your thoughts and emotions.

Complete garbage. In my opinion of course.

Your kids will be fine as long as they remain either ignorant about the objections to taking it, or the supposed reasons for it being harmful to them. Ignorance is indeed bliss when taken in this context. Or you could talk about it positively to them and waylay any of their fears. Nip them in the bud before they start to ferment; however this may prove too difficult for you because you have already formed strong emotional feelings towards this subject being on fixed within the negative.

More complete garbage. In my opinion of course.

edit:- Actually, i meant, absolute and complete dog shite.

[tracker]

1 ) i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy

2) even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu


3 ) my girlfrend calls me mad and

4) informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

5 ) because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first



1 ) If you know that they think of you this way with out anylising the evidance 1st , you will only dig your self a massive hole by forcing your view upon them . The more they say your crazy , the more damage it will do with the relationship between you and your life manager ( girl friend ).

2 ) Telling your girl friend that your kids and her children ( As this is what I understand that they are children that belong to you both )is not a good idea . This will only show her that you intend to make desisions for them , and from what I can gather , she has no plans for you to have any desision making in that prison of yours that you call a relationship . ( sorry dude its just how I see what is going on here .

3 ) if your own girl friend calls you mad , it would seem as though your family and her have a stronger bond than you and her .
She is an ignorant person and is cruel . I bet she even sides with your family at times !
If she does , boy are you in trouble , you have no idea that you are not in a relationship . see point 5.

4 )So she is threatening you that if you do not want and try to prevent her giving a vaccinaton to her kids for a simple flu that she will kick you out ?:eek:
SO LET ME GET THIS THROUGH TO YOU ! YOU HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP !
YOU HAVE NO SAY !
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED AN OPINION WITH OUT BEING THREATENED !
LOOKS LIKE SHE DOESNT REALLY WANT YOU TO HAVE ANY SAY !
IF YOU DO SHE WILL KICK YOU OUT ?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WITH HER THEN ?
this is not a relationship !
its a dictatorship !

if the kids are not hers and are yours --------kick her out NOW !
if they belong to you and her , I am telling you right now , to your face , this relationship is doomed !
its not a matter of if ----but when !
if she is willing to kick you out over a simple wanton of not wanting your kids to have their immune systems trashed over a simple flu , believe me mate she is going to boot you out anyway ! all she is looking for ---is the perfect excuse ! she is no good for you and WILL get rid of you sooner or later . her threatening you with being homeless is just one simple truth ina big pool of crap you are already in . LEAVE HER !

5 ) Her bringing in the idea of social services , is her making and if they were invloved it would seem as though then that she would be the instigator of this . As far as vaccines are concerned , there is ABSOLUTELY NO LAW that requires every british family to have a flu vaccine or the children are taken into care ! ( FACT ! )
The swine flu is more mild than normal flu and kills less people , so if your girl friend is so alarmist , maybe you might mention to her that this parranoia she has is not only unhealthy for the kids but also for her . KIDS CANT HAVE A JAB FOR EVERY FLU/COLD AND/OR ILLNESS ADVERTISED ON TV ! tell her its unhealthy for her to think such things and could place your children in danger . She should seriosuely concider the dmamage that she is doing to her self and towards her childrens health believing that she must give injections to her own children for a simple cold , because thats what it is -- a cold .



Remember this ;
it is your family and your dictator ( you call girl friend ) who are calling you MAD . If any one does attempt to bring in social-services it will be one of them , not an outsider .
They brought social services into the picture not you , so with their web of --------calling you mad , having to threaten you because apparently you are putting the kids health at wrisk , and them all calling you MAD , Your biggest problems do not lay with the vaccines as yet , it is your girlfriend and you family .

if I was you

I would move out , start again .
aspire to do better in your life , why do i say this ?
because no self respecting person would hold them self down to such abuse and treatment !
you can do better .

you can then better your life and return to your kids when you have improved your self . I dont mean to offend you chappy , its just that you cant have done well if you are with that girl of yours being so threatening and being such an alarmist who is unable to compromise or concider other peoples health beyond her own fear . I mean , why would any self respecting man want to keep them self in this type of hellish life ?
They all obviously think your mad .

You can do better !
leave them be
they are your worst enemies , it is self evident , you supplied this evidence .

Soryy for the bad news dude , tracker seems to always be at this end of the stick .

YOU CAN DO BETTER !
Just for the record , you will never "MAKE" people see the truth especially if they are so disrepectful to you in this way --- anyway !
You are fighting a loosing battle and the more you fight and try and make them see , the more they will enforce their ideas upon you . Like

social services
or even
the nut house .

dont try and make them see anything .

they will only punish you for it .

So how are you going to deal with this shite then ?
Live your life in fear and have no say ?
live under their dictatorship ?
live with your dictator until she does kick you out ? because she will ya know .

or are you going to find your self respect and stop being pushed around ?

if you cant fight your own family , you will never servive the big wide world .
if your family say your mad to your face , I hate to think what they are saying behind your back , and of course , it will not help you at all because soon , even strangers that are introduced to you through your family , will also think you are mad , because -----------your family would have warned them about you before you meet them .
of course ----------this will then spread out even further in your local town etc .

families can be our worst enemies .

they cantrash ya life and still think they are in the right .

Your life will improve when you leave them be and only see them once every 3 months or so --and not longer than one hour .

this will stop any control points they have on you .
the more they call you mad
you should stay away longer and teach them that every time they see you , that they must get the most out of it .
when you do see them , never talk about the NWO etc .

its up to you .
personally , i think you are doing your self damage by keeping in touch with them .

[lauren_almighty]

Start with something more interesting than the NWO. Challenge all their assumptions about the world. Start with something like:

YOU: "Did you know that when I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut and go to the moon?"
THEM: "Really? Well, what stopped you from going?"
YOU: "I dunno, ppl already done it, so there wouldn't be much glory in that."
THEM: "Well, it was your dream. Why didn't you just live it out anyways?"
YOU: "Aha! I gotcha! You thought man went to the moon didn't you? You thought that man went to the moon b/c you assumed that whatever you saw, read, and heard, especially from your grade school teacher, was true."

Then go show them this thread, which gives you concrete evidence the moon landing was utterly fake:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74477

Peak their curiosity, and go from there to the NWO.

Haha... I like that scenario :)

[ozpixie]

I think you have to pitch it differently to each type of person but in each case go gently. Some will respond to scientific facts, eg vaccine dangers especially those who have children. Others who you think are open minded will probably respond to Alex Jones, and I tend to leave David's work to those who are interested in or open to the more esoteric and metaphysical thinking. With David's work the best one to start with is the video shot during his not-electoral campaign. For space nuts, Hoagland is a good one. After that they will find their own way but some will never wake up. I have a lot of extended family on my facebook page and they are more worried about the weekend fun, lost sox and showing off the new kitten etc. NWO is too hard and scary but it is their journey and we cannot live for all those around us.

[lauren_almighty]

I think you have to pitch it differently to each type of person but in each case go gently. Some will respond to scientific facts, eg vaccine dangers especially those who have children. Others who you think are open minded will probably respond to Alex Jones, and I tend to leave David's work to those who are interested in or open to the more esoteric and metaphysical thinking. With David's work the best one to start with is the video shot during his not-electoral campaign. For space nuts, Hoagland is a good one. After that they will find their own way but some will never wake up. I have a lot of extended family on my facebook page and they are more worried about the weekend fun, lost sox and showing off the new kitten etc. NWO is too hard and scary but it is their journey and we cannot live for all those around us.

My family and friends are so close minded that I think it will be impossible for them to 'wake up'. On facebook there's loads of them really worried and concerned about the swine flu and I try to tell them that it's a load of bull but they think I'm nuts.

Last night my mum said I was turning into a freak because of all this conspiracy shit. :rolleyes:

[januspolanski]

Get them to watch Aaron Russos full interview on You Tube.

[whitewolf]

I had the same response from my family back in the 90's. Now though most of them, especially my mum who's 84 yrs old, is agreeing with me. When i say 'agreeing' I really mean they have noticed for themselves that there's something dodgy going on. They won't admit i may have been talking sense 10 or so yrs ago.

Unfortunately I sometimes express my passionate opinions with missionary zeal and this is what puts people off I reckon.

It's not what you say it's how you say it.

[raptorialis]

Quit forcing this knowledge on other people.

You can cause more damage than good.

Who are you to re-program others about what may or may not be.

Are you that sure of your self?

[apekteina lordosis]

hi mr_starfire and welcome to the forum :)

just an observation but if your sprogs are of a certain age then perhaps any drama between you and your missus can be resolved of whether they should be vaccinated or not by devolving the choice to the children themselves.

perhaps you could jointly sit them down and say mum wants you to have it whilst i would prefer you didn't have the vaccination. then go on to say you and mum have decided you are old enough to make your own minds up, afterall it is your body. "me" and yer mum are gonna do a half hour presentation of our views on the vaccination and at the end each present you with some follow-up material to help you make your decision. then give them a week or two after presentations to follow things up and come to a decision. tell em at any point they are free to change their minds and that regardless of the decision they make both you and their mum will respect their choice and obviously love em as much as always.

obviously if yer nippers are toddlers or still in single figures then said notion ain't much use. :)

[brainfreeze]

I had the same response from my family back in the 90's. Now though most of them, especially my mum who's 84 yrs old, is agreeing with me. When i say 'agreeing' I really mean they have noticed for themselves that there's something dodgy going on. They won't admit i may have been talking sense 10 or so yrs ago.

Unfortunately I sometimes express my passionate opinions with missionary zeal and this is what puts people off I reckon.

It's not what you say it's how you say it.

You sound like me. I live, laugh, hate, cry and talk with a passion that sometimes I sound like I'm ranting or having a go when in fact I'm simply speaking with passion in my voice. It was more of a problem before I started having botox because I've also got a very expressive face. You can see what I'm thinking. A mate of mine's mum told me when I was a teen that the problems I got into for being cheeky weren't because of what I said but what was written all over my face at the time.

Don't loose your passion, it's the fire in you.

[noewhan]

Quit forcing this knowledge on other people.

You can cause more damage than good.

Who are you to re-program others about what may or may not be.

Are you that sure of your self?

+1.

I recommend DVDs which play in any conventional player. Don't force anyone to believe. It's up to them to decide.

But then it's a case of which aspect to present first.

The Rick Simpson documentary about the cure for cancer got some of my family members to wake up about the medical manipulation.

I've made a few DVDs before of mini docos / parts of full length ones which go through the various topics like health, religion, politics to UFOs / free energy.

In some DVD making aps, there's a 'smart fit' option so you can fit over 12-14gb into 4.5gb :)

[itsallinus]

I feel like I am in a similar boat, and in some ways I think what tracker said also applies to me. My gf won't listen to me anymore about anything, even when I just make a comment about something she brought up! We have 2 girls, 1 & 3 years, I have told her about the swine flu vaccine and although she could see something was not right she instantly puts it out her mind and starts talking about some bollox chit chat crap, leaving me feeling gobsmacked, how can someone who loves their children brush aside such an important issue? I made it clear they would have the vaccine over my dead body, she said they will still be getting the MMR and other jabs, I explained that I will move out on that day and she said I was just blackmailing her. Yes I see her point but have been left with no other choice, if your partner cannot even look at evidence you present them with and blindly trust the government over their loved one then really there is no relationship.

I am no longer with her because I love (though I still do) but for the sake of my kids, and because I am not giving up on them. it's a difficult situation you have yourself in and I understand you can't win whatever you do, just don't 'go along' to 'keep the peace', it never lasts and only spirals out of control. Do what you feel is right for you but also for your kids. I want to move out, go somewhere with like minded souls and live my life the way I want to not the way others want me to, it's having the girls that stops me every time, I can't leave them and definitely not when there mother is so blind and misinformed, they need protecting for their own family!

Sorry for my rant, not very constructive either but I feel better getting it off my chest :p

[whitewolf]

You sound like me. I live, laugh, hate, cry and talk with a passion that sometimes I sound like I'm ranting or having a go when in fact I'm simply speaking with passion in my voice. It was more of a problem before I started having botox because I've also got a very expressive face. You can see what I'm thinking. A mate of mine's mum told me when I was a teen that the problems I got into for being cheeky weren't because of what I said but what was written all over my face at the time.

Don't loose your passion, it's the fire in you.

Thanks for that Brainfreeze :):) I won't! (stamps foot in defiance!) your last comment is ironic cos i'm an aries/firehorse....way to much fire. Two passionate fiery signs combined in one human can be a bit much sometimes, especiallty if it's turned inwards :eek:

You had Botox to calm your expressive face :eek: or was it a pleasant extra to filling up the wrinkles ;) I thought about Botox for my permanent scowl lines, :p
only half joking. When i wear my cool shades I just look pissed off, I notice people react to that, so i take glasses off and they chill.

I always say I'm a hopeless actress cos my inner feelings are written all over my face apparently.

To those who say not to force ones opinions on others, I say again;
it's not WHAT you say it's HOW you say it. Sharing information in the manner of; 'hey, have you seen/heard/thought about this......?' is not the same 'forcing your opinion' on others. It has to be done in a way that doesn't cause the other person to feel threatened in any way...tricky.

When I find out how I'll let you know!!

[millhouse]

ive just lent my mother in law, davids, the global conspiracy book, she seems to be plodding through it nicely, but just finds it very hard to get her round the old, everything is illusion idea,and nothing is solid etc, but so do i! if you run into a wall,you aint going through it are you?

[brainfreeze]

Thanks for that Brainfreeze :):) I won't! (stamps foot in defiance!) your last comment is ironic cos i'm an aries/firehorse....way to much fire. Two passionate fiery signs combined in one human can be a bit much sometimes, especiallty if it's turned inwards :eek:

You had Botox to calm your expressive face :eek: or was it a pleasant extra to filling up the wrinkles ;) I thought about Botox for my permanent scowl lines, :p
only half joking. When i wear my cool shades I just look pissed off, I notice people react to that, so i take glasses off and they chill.

I always say I'm a hopeless actress cos my inner feelings are written all over my face apparently.

To those who say not to force ones opinions on others, I say again;
it's not WHAT you say it's HOW you say it. Sharing information in the manner of; 'hey, have you seen/heard/thought about this......?' is not the same 'forcing your opinion' on others. It has to be done in a way that doesn't cause the other person to feel threatened in any way...tricky.

When I find out how I'll let you know!!

I had the botox for the wrinkles but was pleasantly surprised to find people reacted to me differently without the lines that made me look angry. I was like you with sunglasses on. It looked like I was perminently pissed off with a heavy scowl between the eyes. But that's not what I'm like and my face now reflects that.

[decode reality]

1 ) If you know that they think of you this way with out anylising the evidance 1st , you will only dig your self a massive hole by forcing your view upon them . The more they say your crazy , the more damage it will do with the relationship between you and your life manager ( girl friend ).

2 ) Telling your girl friend that your kids and her children ( As this is what I understand that they are children that belong to you both )is not a good idea . This will only show her that you intend to make desisions for them , and from what I can gather , she has no plans for you to have any desision making in that prison of yours that you call a relationship . ( sorry dude its just how I see what is going on here .

3 ) if your own girl friend calls you mad , it would seem as though your family and her have a stronger bond than you and her .
She is an ignorant person and is cruel . I bet she even sides with your family at times !
If she does , boy are you in trouble , you have no idea that you are not in a relationship . see point 5.

4 )So she is threatening you that if you do not want and try to prevent her giving a vaccinaton to her kids for a simple flu that she will kick you out ?:eek:
SO LET ME GET THIS THROUGH TO YOU ! YOU HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP !
YOU HAVE NO SAY !
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED AN OPINION WITH OUT BEING THREATENED !
LOOKS LIKE SHE DOESNT REALLY WANT YOU TO HAVE ANY SAY !
IF YOU DO SHE WILL KICK YOU OUT ?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WITH HER THEN ?
this is not a relationship !
its a dictatorship !

if the kids are not hers and are yours --------kick her out NOW !
if they belong to you and her , I am telling you right now , to your face , this relationship is doomed !
its not a matter of if ----but when !
if she is willing to kick you out over a simple wanton of not wanting your kids to have their immune systems trashed over a simple flu , believe me mate she is going to boot you out anyway ! all she is looking for ---is the perfect excuse ! she is no good for you and WILL get rid of you sooner or later . her threatening you with being homeless is just one simple truth ina big pool of crap you are already in . LEAVE HER !

5 ) Her bringing in the idea of social services , is her making and if they were invloved it would seem as though then that she would be the instigator of this . As far as vaccines are concerned , there is ABSOLUTELY NO LAW that requires every british family to have a flu vaccine or the children are taken into care ! ( FACT ! )
The swine flu is more mild than normal flu and kills less people , so if your girl friend is so alarmist , maybe you might mention to her that this parranoia she has is not only unhealthy for the kids but also for her . KIDS CANT HAVE A JAB FOR EVERY FLU/COLD AND/OR ILLNESS ADVERTISED ON TV ! tell her its unhealthy for her to think such things and could place your children in danger . She should seriosuely concider the dmamage that she is doing to her self and towards her childrens health believing that she must give injections to her own children for a simple cold , because thats what it is -- a cold .



Remember this ;
it is your family and your dictator ( you call girl friend ) who are calling you MAD . If any one does attempt to bring in social-services it will be one of them , not an outsider .
They brought social services into the picture not you , so with their web of --------calling you mad , having to threaten you because apparently you are putting the kids health at wrisk , and them all calling you MAD , Your biggest problems do not lay with the vaccines as yet , it is your girlfriend and you family .

if I was you

I would move out , start again .
aspire to do better in your life , why do i say this ?
because no self respecting person would hold them self down to such abuse and treatment !
you can do better .

you can then better your life and return to your kids when you have improved your self . I dont mean to offend you chappy , its just that you cant have done well if you are with that girl of yours being so threatening and being such an alarmist who is unable to compromise or concider other peoples health beyond her own fear . I mean , why would any self respecting man want to keep them self in this type of hellish life ?
They all obviously think your mad .

You can do better !
leave them be
they are your worst enemies , it is self evident , you supplied this evidence .

Soryy for the bad news dude , tracker seems to always be at this end of the stick .

YOU CAN DO BETTER !
Just for the record , you will never "MAKE" people see the truth especially if they are so disrepectful to you in this way --- anyway !
You are fighting a loosing battle and the more you fight and try and make them see , the more they will enforce their ideas upon you . Like

social services
or even
the nut house .

dont try and make them see anything .

they will only punish you for it .

So how are you going to deal with this shite then ?
Live your life in fear and have no say ?
live under their dictatorship ?
live with your dictator until she does kick you out ? because she will ya know .

or are you going to find your self respect and stop being pushed around ?

if you cant fight your own family , you will never servive the big wide world .
if your family say your mad to your face , I hate to think what they are saying behind your back , and of course , it will not help you at all because soon , even strangers that are introduced to you through your family , will also think you are mad , because -----------your family would have warned them about you before you meet them .
of course ----------this will then spread out even further in your local town etc .

families can be our worst enemies .

they cantrash ya life and still think they are in the right .

Your life will improve when you leave them be and only see them once every 3 months or so --and not longer than one hour .

this will stop any control points they have on you .
the more they call you mad
you should stay away longer and teach them that every time they see you , that they must get the most out of it .
when you do see them , never talk about the NWO etc .

its up to you .
personally , i think you are doing your self damage by keeping in touch with them .

+ 1

This is the truth, as harsh as it (might) feel to Starfire and his original post.

It comes down to 'why be in a relationship with someone who is completely opposite at the core?' It's an illusionary relationship....it may as well be a hologram because beneath the outward appearance, what is there but space?

the situation in the OP is one I know all too well- trying to alert significant others to certain things and receiving zilch response and even hostility.

We can make suggestions as we have.....but why endure the rolled or glazed eyes, the "not this conspiracy crap again" , the disinterested response? And then have to compromise.

Ultimately you just lose yourself and your strength. :( You start to live your life through others rather than yourself. Their thoughts become YOUR thoughts. And then they'll still go and take the damn poison after all your effort.

[love life]

Complete garbage. In my opinion of course. More complete garbage. In my opinion of course. Actually, i meant, absolute and complete dog shite.

All pharamaceuticals are empowered via the mental and emotional belief in there ability.

Your belief is clearly somewhat different and thereby you empower it.

[hawk]

Here, here ,tracker, you said a mouthful there.
Hope the OP gets it.

[tracker]

I hope I didnt frighten the thread creator and hope that this post of mine didnt make them feel more worse .

The reason for my bluntness is that I totally recognise that relationship . Something I went through in my early 20s . needless to say , I was also some how always going against the grain with my family too .

I really feel some how pitty for this man because I fear that he will yield .
he may yield to hid girl friend because it seems as though she rules the roost with no half way point for compromise .In turn it means that he will yield and be convinced that he was parranoid or something like that .
With so many of his loved ones in ignorant bliss , he is rocking the boat , and they will defend their little dream world , even if it means iether trying to convince him to go to the DRs , or getting social services invloved just to shut him up .

Although I have never experienced that bit before I certainly know what friends and family are capable of if they feel endangered .
It sounds to me , with all those bad games they are playing on him , that it is only a matter of time before he sees exactly what they already have in motion .

He is mad --
he might get kicked out
social services might get involved because according to them
he is putting his kids life at risk .

so

how much more do we need to see how desperatly parranoid and insecure all those members are ?
just because
he doesnt want his kids to have a fkin cold jab .

its desgusting
cruel
vindictive
two faced
mental and
emotional abuse
that they all place on him .

something also tells me , this is just what he is telling us . What about all that time gone by that he has not told us about ?

the dude needs to break free from the chains that bind him .:cool:

[21_12_2012]

All pharamaceuticals are empowered via the mental and emotional belief in there ability.

Your belief is clearly somewhat different and thereby you empower it.

Why is mercury in vaccines then ?
Try taking a few shots and believing you'll be ok after an armful of thimerosal.

Try telling the autistic kids it was their "emotional and mental belief" that caused their condition.

And the thalidamide kids.
Try believing that valium won't knock you to sleep.
Try believing that prozac won't severely mentally mess you up.

Your belief is clearly bollocks.

[cafetimes1991]

I had another disagreement with my mother this morning over David Icke. She used her usual don't-let-the-other-person-speak argument method and others. She claimed to have read some of his stuff (I doubt that) and that he was ''manipulative''. Just because I was talking to another forum member here on msn, she said David was recuiting his own group ''to do his bidding''. Sigh. See you on the other side.

[scotty99]

Like other members have said, keep it political and in her comfort zone (no NWO talk), and point out that its all about people making money, the US pharmas making us ill over the long term to sell us medicines.

Start with the MMR vaccine, and the link with Autism/ADHD. Find the evidence that the vaccines contain mercury...then let her read this.

http://www.generationrescue.org/survey.html

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/scandals/feb_15_02/comparison_symptoms.htm


Try to get her to understand that the big Pharmas invest in politics and fund their campains. Once she sees that there is a link. She probably already knows Bush was a liar, well show her that his right hand man Rumpfeld owns the company that makes Tamiflu. Plant the seeds to make her think, rather than preaching (which i tried to do, and they just think ur a nutjob)

I start with Aspartame, i have found people are quite interested to find out about this stuff, its a good start

[tracker]

Dont try any of the tactics above other than being aware that it seems you hold your self in a very nasty net of ridicule , lack of respect and complete dictatorship backed with punishment .

I do hope you find a way out , yet your family does seem to show bad signs of parranoia when you mention anything that confronts their confort zone .

I hope you can get back to us soon and let us know whats going on .

be safe dude
love and peace be with you .:cool:

[ronisron]

You can't force people to see anything. They will come around in their own good time.... or they won't. I've come to the sad conclusion that not everyone is meant to, or will, wake up. I'm not really frustrated by it anymore.

With all the crap that's being thrown at us now by the governments and news agencies, it seems they are making it really easy for a lot of people to begin to question just what is going on. It will be different things for different people. Swine flu, child care laws, government spending and corruption, wars no one wants.... and it begins a process that leads to their awkening. Some people will not get it at all, because they aren't meant to. They are here to serve that agneda to the end. It's how it keeps going, and how it's gotten to the point we're at.

[raven200]

I have been thinking about this, and originally I was against the vaccines as well, but worst comes to worst and your girlfriend does get your kids to have the vaccine then don't worry.

The vaccine is not the danger, I've come to realise that this swine flu illness has been spread in preparation to warming people up for war.

It is a great excuse to test emergency systems and see how people can be controlled whilst in emergency status, the flu is an excuse to test all systems also make quick money via the vaccines even though they won't make much difference as in truth swine flu is not a pandemic.

Look around and you will know, I have seen people get ill with symptoms and recover in a week, even very ill children.

Best thing you can do is to get your girlfriend into herbal medication and give your kids some homeopathic medicine, it is by far very effective and assists your body in fighting off the infection by making your immune system stronger rather then surpressing it like anti-biotics do.

[raptorialis]

I don't understand why you have to manipulate your family members.

[love life]

Your belief is clearly bollocks.


You should have that stenciled onto your underpants.

[truthsupplier]

You cannot "make" your family do anything, the power is not your to wield. What I have discovered is, if you set a noticeable example, of how an informed, confident Adult individual goes about preparation for the unknown (you know, you want them to know... the lesser corrosive attitude will gain the most attention) and ask them if they would care to join you in these preparations (the important word there is ASK) as you cannot guarantee absolute results without their aid. The "dangling carrot" will get more positive action than all the whippings you could meter out.

Just a suggestion, mind you... but one where I see merit.

[rockinrobinsuk]

I have woken a few sheeple with chemtrails and aspartame pointing out the obvious. If she uses facebook point out the groups on there it will start her thinking.
Why do some people on here say its not up to us to wake people up?
If the information is not given out how will anybody learn?
I believe we all should be telling as many sheeple as possible, wtf is wrong with some of you?
I will die on my feet fighting before i live on my knees.
Peace

[dude111]

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake upI hear ya!!

Im almost to the point of not giving a fuck!! (Which i know is the wrong attitude to have)

[kryst]

People who are allergic to eggs will not receive the vaccine.

Creepy. Imagine if people who don't get the vaccine die?

The government treat us like livestock on a farm. They wouldn't want to destroy all their best earners, especially the 'intellectual' stuff on BBC4.

Why would they inject and kill us. If the flu virus turns out to be dangerous, it's not likely that they will use it against us. I agree that children shouldn't get them, as their immune systems will develop much more naturally without any crap injected into them at the start of their lives.

A farmer wouldn't kill his best milkers, he'd kill off the slackers, or simply 'upgrade' the tax system. Most compliant people (government like) will just take that vaccine, and that trait will be desirable.

[john white]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

I'd say you have some pertinant and real problems that it would be wise to recognise

Firstly, I like the positivity of the second part of your post, absolutely everyone peacfully non-complying by standing outside their own homes would be a wonderful statement... and its all about keeping that vision of freedom there, its the journey we are on

But your family life definately needs your considerstion

For a start, why is your wife, who you know well and have children with, feel so instinctively defensive against ideas that threaten the sense of saftey for the family? Like a new world order emerging to enslave us all? It is the instinctive reaction of all mothers

You also need her to understand you: you need to ask her, in some way, to accept that you are on a journey you need spiritually to undertake, and now you are on it you have to follow through

The difference between you at this stage in life is that you happened to look Up and made a choice she has not made: yet

The first step to encouraging anyone to join you on the path is to walk it a bit yourself first and show there is a path to follow

Some other people have given good advice: on the question of refusing vaccination, which I had to persuade my own wife to accept some years ago, information from established mainstream media is more potent than truthsites and You-tubes... which doesnt mean any of that info is nessacarily wrong, just coming from a different voice

Times of London, cant be ignored... sources are everything for the initially sceptical

I understand where Tracker is coming from "cutting the ties that bind"... but I dont agree with his prescribed severity when some binds are Sacred: the binds between a father and his children is such a bind, and I encourage you to do everything you can to protect and preserve it and I wish your family well on these strange seas of fate

John

[freedom from within]

I feel like I'm in the sea of light and all my family are in the sea of darkness.

Saying that my youngest daughter does ask questions and is starting to see thing different.

At times thought i feel so sad as my true love my wife does not seem to get it at all and this saddens me so much at times.:eek:

[nayan]

I tried telling my brother this but he thinks that I am brainwashed! He accually believes that we're living in a dream land. My parents keeps saying to me that I ask weird questions.

I've experienced this. You can not make another human being do something, it's up to them. I say just make them sit down in a room and find a clip that sums up everthing that has been going on. But then again, thats if they want to watch this.

It is difficult, when you come to these situations, you'll always get someone saying your crazy or something. This is something that we have to get used to have overcome.

I have theory that we who are "awake" as it were, are supposed to be the informers when the time comes, which is soon now... So learn all you can, keep it to the Love and Light stuff... Don't dwell on the fear based stuff and then when it all comes out you will just know what to do..

- Torz

[raptorialis]

Take care that it is not you in the dark. Wouldn't want to spread it to your family.



I feel like I'm in the sea of light and all my family are in the sea of darkness.

Saying that my youngest daughter does ask questions and is starting to see thing different.

At times thought i feel so sad as my true love my wife does not seem to get it at all and this saddens me so much at times.:eek:

[triso]

If they are meant to see the truth they will. I can't even remember how I discovered David Icke, but i was obviously meant to discover him, as we all were.

[cryst4l]

I do not force anyone to look at anything they do not want to.

I try to have constructive conversations with all around me.

Even if I give small snippets of information it is a start.

You cannot expect people to run until they have learnt to crawl, small snippets alot of the time works for me.

It's an illusion by John Harris, is a fantastic video I have passed onto people and it gives them the basis of looking into things a little further, it is a real eye operner for the beginners :D

[aston]

Me too, i mentioned to a friend about 911 being an inside job,he looked at me as if i was crazy.NO GOVERNMENT WOULD DO SUCH A THING .HE SAID.
ALL OF US should spread the word ,give your friends , family ,websites .
Let them look for themselves as i did . Then they will wake up as i have,
DAVID ICKE ,ALEX JONES ,KRS 1 .THEY ARE MY HEROES.

[white horse]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

I expect this is what it was liek in Nazi Germany huh...?

[clint_giles]

I myself , lost my family last december,i really spoke my mind and everyone came down on me ,even after my brother and dad watched 911 inplanesite and loosechange funny thing is they agreed that something was fishy about that day....but left it at that....then ocourse the ignorant terroists comments about people in the middle east still continued.....lol

my mom,sister ,brother and dad (part time)
all called me nuts...i just laughed and left it at that...

now the only time i talk with them is when my son Carter gets to see them.
but ofcourse im the one who has the problem still...lol

anyhow,i dont give a shit anymore,and they can stay the way they are for all i care,eventually they will see.

now as it stands the only time i speak up about what is going on in the world
is when i hear ignorant comments(which happens daily...lol) then i say whats on my mind about the topic and leave it at that.......thats all we really can do now, is just correct the mindless people with their stupid ass ignorant comments and let them hear a different side of the story,which many of us here already know.

either they laugh it off or call us nuts,either way they heard a different side of the story..and when its their time to wake up to the situation(if they ever do)many of them will rememeber who they heard it from first..and they just might come back and say WOW HOLY SHIT,I SEE IT NOW.

[cpfc12]

The best way, is to leave statements in their heads such as " governments have been lying since the beginning of time and sacrificing their own people to pursue their own agenda, what makes you think its any different now"

[cryst4l]

The best way, is to leave statements in their heads such as " governments have been lying since the beginning of time and sacrificing their own people to pursue their own agenda, what makes you think its any different now"

Are you part of the PTB?

Your comments need to be carefully thought about before you make such statements!

Not just in this thread!

[itsallinus]

I have lost most of my family and all my friends because I told them a few things, now I only have my kids. I am starting to think this is happening for good reason, I am being detached from them to make me grow (spiritually) stronger by rising above the sorrow and loneliness. Or I am just unlucky!

I was stopped in the high street a couple of days ago by a woman who asked me if I smoked and if I would ever consider quiting. I explained I love smoking and wouldn't quit if you paid me a million £'s, her response was "you know, it's all just in your head..", at which point I could not resist and started explaining how the five sense reality is all in our head, the whole universe is in there and can't be external. She smiled and seemed to agree with what I said but I could see it went straight over her, oh well, she will no doubt laugh about it to her colleagues later and maybe one of them might get it!

[triso]

It kills me to see that people cant except how we think, what we say and when i mention David Icke.. you can all guess the response i get. I can understand why people disagree with it, cant relate or think it's all crazy talk. And i can let that go, but it gets you down no and again. I try and explain "you only think its madness because you've been brought up in a world of controled media and you've been brought up to socially not accept this as being the norm, because in your reality and mind its irregular and impossible.. bla bla bla" You can never argue that sentance... alot of my friends are very open minded however, they just need suficient evidence.. which is always fair enough.

[judy101]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

We do have a rather large communication problem going on, I'm dealing with the same problem and sadly I still see it even in post boards like this.

If you get frustrated then you look like everything people will accuse you off. Be at one with it, don't try and fight the negative energy but be one with it - it will take you further.

If you are concerned about your kids and the vaccines maybe introduce your fears from a different sources (to your girlfriend). They are starting to write books about autism being caused by vaccines. YOu can get information that you want to share from sources people have more respect for.

I've also found it much easier to teach people what's going on by asking them questions. It's easier to get people to see things for them selves then to actually show them. Make them think it's their idea and not yours. It's hard to do, but put your energy into wrapping your head around that one instead of getting frustrated.

YOu are intelligent - don't kid yourself. You are perfect exactly the way you are. There are no mistakes, things will always work out if you have faith and a good focus on solutions rather then having a focus on everything that is full of fear. Nobody wants to hear about fears, they run as far away from that as possible.

[missbehave]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

The very fact that you are starting to recognize all this is a clear sign of intelligence;)

Perhaps showing her the work of David Icke is too much for her to digest or even consider.

There´s a man that has made a career in Big Pharma for 35 years and he has been on an executive level. He is now writing books and giving lectures about the corruption in Big Pharma and that might be a good way to introduce her to this subject.
Search youtube for dr John Rengen Virapen, Im sure you would find him interesting, although I am not sure of this man motives for revealing such things, it could be a wakeup call for your woman and she might realize that just maybe the pharmaceutical industry is driven by profit and not by the health of the people

[dude111]

I have lost most of my family and all my friends because I told them a few things, now I only have my kids. I am starting to think this is happening for good reason, I am being detached from them to make me grow (spiritually) stronger by rising above the sorrow and loneliness. Or I am just unlucky!I am so sorry :(

You have US here on this site,we are your family also and will give you comfort,etc........

Not to worry my friend :)

[itsallinus]

I am so sorry :(

You have US here on this site,we are your family also and will give you comfort,etc........

Not to worry my friend :)

:D Perhaps I have lost all my friends because I needed more time to get to know you guys better ;) I feel more connected to people on this forum than members of my own family (in a vibrational, spiritual, communicative way).

I always thought that before I ever posted!

[ustane]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

I know how you feel and agree 100 per cent with everything you've said. I have a daughter she's turned 18 now so makes her own decisions, the vultures have got her, our GP wrote to her directly. Ive tried so hard to explain to her, warn her not to have the cervical cancer jab, she went ahead and booked an appointment just the same, & has had the first jab. It's in three parts. Yesterday I tried to tell her all the evidence of what's in those jabs, the agenda, everything, and she snapped at me & blocked me out, told me she couldn't stand the sound of my voice. She is still going back for the rest of the vaccine. She tells me not to talk to her mates about the NWO/microchips/swine flu etc before they come round because they're like her and don't care. I said it's what their future's going to be unless they watch out & it's in their own interests & she said "we'll deal with it when it happens". Those who are not ready for this information, or don't want to wake up to this, I feel my conscious clear for telling them about it, I want to get information out, and if they won't have it, at least I've told them, I can only let them be, as they can't UNhear it.

[hagbard_celine]

hi guys/girls i live in the uk with my girlfreind and our 3 kids and i dont consider myself to be inteligent (however) it seem that everyone around me is hypnotised for want of a better word i cant make them sit and watch anything by david icke and whenever i mention the soon to be nwo theye look at me like ime crazy even my girlfreind now this bothers me because i have said that my kids are not having any vaccinations for swine flu as i feel that the virus is merely a vehicle on which to deliver death/infertility/etc
my girlfrend calls me mad and informs me that my children will have the vaccine and she would kick me out if i attempted to prevent it

because she fears the social services taking our children away if were seen to not be putting the childrens health first

i see more and more everyday the signs of the nwo and its quite frankly the most frustrating thing i have ever experianced the fact that the ones i love so dearly do not and will not listen and wake up

its all happening so fast now what can we do pertitions and talking about its just aint gonna cut it anymore it needs a mass
(peacefull) demonstartion the likes of which have never been seen i mean not thousands of people but 100s of thousands perhaps even millions to just line the streets wherever theye happen to live on the same day i have no idea what we should say or what this would actualy achieve but it just seems like it has to be better than sitting on our backsides talking about it

please please dont think ime personally scared of things to come i have known all my life that something isnt right with the world

peace all and thanks for being patient enough to read my awfull grammar ;)

That's an awful dilemma you're in, mate, and I feel for you:(. The problem is that if you went to court over the issue the authorities would almost certainly back your missus. It may be worth a try though if there's no other way. But you'd need a red hot lawyer and expert witnesses. Good luck!:cool: