LA Times:Jews are more intelligent.

[chris]

I feel as though I'm about to start a fire and walk away:D

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/18/science/sci-jewish-iq18

[jackdaw]

Fortean Times: Snails are more intelligent.

[krakhead]

But Jews also, apparently, die sooner - so it all balances out in the end :p

[mynameis]

There is no single factor for intelligence. Hence nurture and nature are intertwined.

The "faulty" genes, Cochran concluded, make Jews smarter.

That provocative -- some would say inflammatory -- hypothesis has landed Cochran and Harpending in the middle of a charged debate about the link between IQ and DNA.

As it is with Dr. Watson, Margret Sanger, and any other eugenics madness. The Epigenes control more than we think we know about our DNA. Epigenes control all our genes.

[anthony65]

What is intelligence?

The ability to successfully reply to an IQ test?

Is this how they measure it?

Is an IQ test a good measure of intelligence?

[sorath]

If they are so intelligent, why is their homeland surrounded by countries that hate them?

Doesn't seem to bright to me!

;)

[eternal_spirit]

I thought it was some Asians who had the highest IQ. They have been inter breeding longer than Jews, so have had more time to perfect their eugencis.

But the inbreeding an inter marrying isn't racist cos they aint white. :rolleyes:

[mynameis]

They have been inter breeding longer than Jews, so have had more time to perfect their eugencis.

But the inbreeding an inter marrying isn't racist cos they aint white. :rolleyes:

Inbreeding? Just look at the teeth on the royals and the intelligence of Charles for your answers on inbreeding.

[anthony65]

I thought it was some Asians who had the highest IQ. They have been inter breeding longer than Jews, so have had more time to perfect their eugencis.

But the inbreeding an inter marrying isn't racist cos they aint white. :rolleyes:

But the Ashkenazi are asian!

The article specifically mentions Ashkenazi and "European" Jews.

They are not talking about the real Jews. They are referring to the asian Khazars who adopted Judaism only 1000 years ago. Compare to the Jews of the Near East who have a tradition several times that long.

[enico]

IQ tests measure how well someone is at taking IQ tests.:D

Dont asians have larger craniums on average and wider hips to accomodate them during birth?

[mauviene]

That was lobbied by the ADL no doubt. Of course it doesn't piss me off but it pisses of anti-Semites, Christians, Muslims, and atheists I am sure.

[anthony65]

The study was apparently carried out in the USA.

Which means that the study has shown that Jews in the USA outperform other ethnics groups in IQ tests.

They also quote the following:

Though Jews make up less than 3% of the U.S. population, they have won more than 25% of the Nobel Prizes awarded to American scientists since 1950, account for 20% of this country's chief executives and make up 22% of Ivy League students, the pair write.

Do you need to be intelligent to be a chief executive? Or Do you need good connections?

The same applies to the Ivy League.

Jews in the USA probably place more emphasis on their childrens education than many other groups.

I wonder where the US Koreans place? They have done really well apparently.

[realy]

inbreeding? Just look at the teeth on the royals and the intelligence of charles for your answers on inbreeding.
:D

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by mynameis http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1154960#post1154960)
inbreeding? Just look at the teeth on the royals and the intelligence of charles for your answers on inbreeding.

His nose is the biggest give away.

[mauviene]

The study was apparently carried out in the USA.

Which means that the study has shown that Jews in the USA outperform other ethnics groups in IQ tests.

They also quote the following:

Though Jews make up less than 3% of the U.S. population, they have won more than 25% of the Nobel Prizes awarded to American scientists since 1950, account for 20% of this country's chief executives and make up 22% of Ivy League students, the pair write.

Do you need to be intelligent to be a chief executive? Or Do you need good connections?

The same applies to the Ivy League.

Jews in the USA probably place more emphasis on their childrens education than many other groups.

I wonder where the US Koreans place? They have done really well apparently.

Right..I'm sure alot of those ivy league guys are more mathematical intelligent than me or most of us here. But when it comes to innovation philosophy and creativity..they don't even stand a chance..

But all that is not considered intelligent in the system. Anything with the potential to question and move in the opposite direction of the system is not seen as intelligent within it's infrastructure.

[anthony65]

Right..I'm sure alot of those ivy league guys are more mathematical intelligent than me or most of us here. But when it comes to innovation philosophy and creativity..they don't even stand a chance..

But all that is not considered intelligent in the system. Anything with the potential to question and move in the operate direction of the system is not seen as intelligent within it's infrastructure.


Not to mention humanity.

Can they dance?

Have they got the moves?

Intelligence does not equal wisdom.

Was Dustin Hoffman's character in the Rain Man intelligent?

[mauviene]

Not to mention humanity.

Can they dance?

Have they got the moves?

Intelligence does not equal wisdom.

Was Dustin Hoffman's character in the Rain Man intelligent?

Most of them are actually just rich really. And the middle class population thinks they are all smarter than them when they actually just repeat everything their professors taught them in their ivy league university.

They have the same intellect as the neutered middle class and lower class followers but have better professors to parrot from, more money from wealthy parents to "seem" more sophisticated, and better jobs to insinuate their facade of superiority through the media..into the "inferior" people who are really just like them but worse off.

It's a cycle that feeds itself really you see..if no one gave them their sophistication they would be nothing.

[chris]

Yes, I was waiting for someone to say before I can this one but intelligence correlates very closely with the socio-economic background.

The article is also out of date becaues it only discusses the Darwinian theory of evolution and talks nothing of epigenetics.

The Epigenome at a Glance - YouTube

[e7304]

I just spent ages refuting this, but somehow I became "unlogged in" and lost it all, so a quicky..

The authors use the idea that because Europeans couldnt charge interest, jews became traders and were persecuted and hence didnt intermarry and hence higher IQ. Thats like saying Scandanavians who move to the midwest of America will always be great boat builders and navigators, all Chinese, no matter where they emigrated to will always be zen and kung fu masters and all ME arabs emigres will be excellent camel farmers and pyramid builders. I would be a great coal miner.....

There is some merit in inherited knowledge as I am a fan of Lamarkian theory, but it has supposedly been disproved (bloody Darwinists!!), which means in current terms I am totally wrong.:rolleyes: So be it... but for "intelligence" as a "genetic" trait....??? NO.

Genetics depends on the environment to turn genes on/off. The more I read the less "genes" are the overall masters. Bruce Lipton and others have covered this. The "environment" can ALSO BE OUR PERCEPTION. Hence the nature versus nurture debate....ongoing....but IQ as a gene is stupid. As far as some ethnic groups and sub groups having genetic disease....YES....but for "ways of thinking"...NO.

As far as intelligence goes, or IQ, there is a thread some have already talked about this in the last few days and have questioned so-called IQ and its role.

Anyway, to look at how intelligent people are ....look at what access to good quality education and what "groups" or "charities" are available. Jewish charities are very generous to jews for furthering education, where non jewish groups tend to "spread" their resources more generally. I know that sounds bad, but hey thats how it appears with Christians especially.

I am surprised the authors did not mention this.

Many people through history have had little "formal" educaton but have been in a situation where they can develop their own abilities.

Anyway, as Hollywood goes and the media in the US, jews run the show. Thats not racist, as even jewish writers have bragged about this. So a small group present the larger community with "their" views. But people dont want to mention it. So could it be a "little" propaganda in the report??

So if you have charities, rich parents, and a bunch of mates who will "look after you", no wonder jews dominate nobel prizes. Compare that situation to arabs and blacks! This is not new and has been going on for over a hundred years in many countries.

So its "nurture" in this case as far as I am concerned.

So as far as a "theory" goes....NO. But good effort guys, as you obviosly are looking for some grants....Now if you combinded this somehow with "the effects on jewish IQ of climate change", you may well get that grant.:)

[novymir]

I didn't read the whole thing, but, they are starting from a false-premise: That DNA is what determines and controls what we are in this physical manifestation... our characteristics are primarily predetermined by our physical manifestation.

Hogwash. Blatant reinforcement of body-identity, powerlessness, and disconnection from "Higher Self". That is, before we project ourselves into this physical virtual-reality.
I know why they may have a higher IQ, because they invented the test in the 1st place. They, because of their "group-mind" egregore(separatist tribal/religious entity), have access to a more concentrated and higher brain-based intellect, a collective consciousness within the greater consciousness. This "group-mind" is a separate entity, greater than the sum of it's parts. It's just like having a psychic connection to the information on the internet, except, it's all perfectly logical and fits within the parameters that are projected into this "reality" by that group-mind entity. It's nearly instantaneous too, depending on the awareness of the individual.
As long as we accept the validity of the supposed rules, laws of 3D reality, and limit our perceptual process to the 5 senses we will be at a disadvantage.

They know this is not all there is, but they don't know there is more than they "think", or, they don't know the true nature of IT.

And ,no, "Jews" are not the only group that is a part of that separatist consciousness, any individuals or groups that reject the True Creative Spirit within of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH is dominated by that consciousness. It has been expanded. But, it also shrinks. It does not have me anymore.
From a supremicist group perspective, it is perfectly logical to subjugate and exterminate their "inferiors". A spiritually bankrupt mind as "God".

The Mind influences the DNA(Spirit informs the mind, if aware), and not the other way around. Environment is more influencial than genetics.
That's what the mind-control is all about, and it is not limited to "humans" within this plane of existence, it's also being projected from outside the apparent bounds of physicality. Sort of intercepting or filtering our thoughts and perceptions BEFORE they are materialized/manifested. But we "think" they are the result of ourself. Not entirely.

There's no point in going after "the jews", or any other group that is controlled by this thing, meaning judgement, condemnation, rejection, demonizing, etc, calling them "evil".. That's all bullshit, and playing right into the polarity-- separation trap. It validates it. Which feeds it's growth.
I don't assume this thing began INTENTIONALLY "EVIL", my take is that a simple mistake was made and it has snowballed. Unintended consequences, error denied, fear, distorted perceptions, out of control now. They believe the lies and false-identity, they are not in control anymore.

It's the ideas, behavior, that is to be rejected, we are not what we do or think, we are all an aspect, part of, or extension of The Creator experiencing/observing LIFE through Us. The orginal intent was of LOVE, this reality is not the product of "evil", it is a virtual-reality that is as real as it gets, it is a gift of individuation, Real Life. There is an independence-interdependence paradoxical relationship, but it's not supposed to be like this, so immersed as to lose awareness of That larger reality than the individual. It's not intended to be a prison, with so much designed to keep us encapsulated within a false sense of self and provoking us to act in ways that disconnect us from Knowing Truth.

Nope, none of us asked to exist. It would therefore be cruel to force us into a situation that drives us insane on purpose, denying/rejecting the guidance of the Source of Life. Supposing The Creator desired to experience these things, which I do not, it's obvious the result without playing it out, that's like me wanting to experience what it's like to have cancer. WTF for? I can quite well imagine how it would effect me, and it would be sado-masochistic to inflict it upon others.
Nope, instead of having an extremely limited consciousness, we were given a higher awareness, the purpose being enjoyment of Life, which gives the Creator the same. IT gives Us, and We give to IT.
This situation is being and will be corrected.

Oh, yeah, connection to the Creative Spirit is infinitely of a higher intelligence and can never be refuted. Because IT Knows, IT does not have to calculate or deceive to prove Itself, win a debate,,, Truth just Is, and is not of the brain or even the mind. It IS before either of those things. Truth-Love are one and the same, neither one can exist without the other.

[bard]

an alternative view on the question of Jewish intelligence:

http://www.judenfrei.org/print/book/export/html/57

[novymir]

All "intelligence" means in this moment of existence is the ability for a biological computer to add and subtract, process and store information based on fake facts and assumptions.
It's a joke really, when one realizes all those facts and calculations are just projections of the mind-------- they have no real validity if they are based entirely on the "physical", 5 sense "reality", it's an illusion, virtual-reality. All Pragmatic Truth.. The hidden key to our Creative Potential. "Useful" to whom, how, and why?
Mathematics, science, religion, language, time, ====Pragmatism. A certain group mind is behind these specific limitations of Knowing. "Useful" to "them". Not Us. Actually, it's harmful to them too, moreso really.

[mr t]

I thought it was some Asians who had the highest IQ. They have been inter breeding longer than Jews, so have had more time to perfect their eugencis.

But the inbreeding an inter marrying isn't racist cos they aint white. :rolleyes:

lol:D:D:D you complain about them all the time, want them all dead, and now your pissed because you cant get their women!!

hypocite ;)