A Certain Sacrfice - Madonna's Alleged Snuff Film

[serpent tau]

"The singer, Madonna, is a mind controlled slave according to Springmeier and Wheeler in their book on this subject. Springmeier says he was given a catalogue of the Vidimax occult porn video club based in New Jersey which included a video involving Madonna.

It sells videos of people being murdered (snuff videos), cannibalism and sacrifices. Springmeier and Wheeler say Madonna was a mind controlled slave given the name, Louise Chiccone, living in New York East Village when a film was made of her being raped and the rapist being taken away and sacrificed. Vidimax sell this video apparently for $19 to their members.

If, as they say, Madonna is a multiple, she will most likely have no recollection of this." David Icke, The Biggest Secret p. 343


"This author has an underground catalog from a porn business, that has recently changed its location of business. The catalog offered a film of Madonna performing an actual blood sacrifice."
-Fritz Springmeier,The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave p. 352



The "Occult porn video club's" IMDB http://www.imdb.com/company/co0117432/

The movie in question devoid of snuff, only a work of fiction:

A Certain Sacrifice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[yeshua]

"The singer, Madonna, is a mind controlled slave according to Springmeier and Wheeler in their book on this subject. Springmeier says he was given a catalogue of the Vidimax occult porn video club based in New Jersey which included a video involving Madonna.

It sells videos of people being murdered (snuff videos), cannibalism and sacrifices. Springmeier and Wheeler say Madonna was a mind controlled slave given the name, Louise Chiccone, living in New York East Village when a film was made of her being raped and the rapist being taken away and sacrificed. Vidimax sell this video apparently for $19 to their members.

If, as they say, Madonna is a multiple, she will most likely have no recollection of this." David Icke, The Biggest Secret p. 343


"This author has an underground catalog from a porn business, that has recently changed its location of business. The catalog offered a film of Madonna performing an actual blood sacrifice."
-Fritz Springmeier,The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave p. 352



The "Occult porn video club's" IMDB http://www.imdb.com/company/co0117432/

The movie in question devoid of snuff, only a work of fiction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Certain_Sacrifice

What do you mean by snuff?

[serpent tau]

A movie in which people are actually murdered. IE: Not dramatized. Snuff film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mr. Springmeier alleges Madonna appeared in such a film. Mr. Icke parrots the same notion. However upon examination of the evidence, it is not such.

[disorder2k8]

The fact that exists, and that there is a definition, shows there is something really wrong with this planet sometimes.

[hawk]

There are such things as snuff videos.I learned about it in criminal justice when I was in classes in college.

[astrochicken]

There are such things as snuff videos.I learned about it in criminal justice when I was in classes in college.

and lest we forget.. springmeier is sitting in prison for pissing a lot of people off and exposing a lot of what they got up to.
(the *official* story is armed robbery)

[venusinpisces]

I randomly got picked up hitchhiking by a guy who had seen this video. His girlfriend had come from a ritual abuse family so he took it seriously. The website that Springmeier referenced was called gynophagia.org, in case anyone wants to look it up. The website sells the Madonna video. But be forewarned, I have a strong stomach for this type of thing and that website was very upsetting to look at. I remember that what Springmeier said was that the site mixed obiously fake snuff with the real thing, which makes sense because the fake version could provide a cover.

The idea that snuff has been discredited is a false one. Here is an excert from a story I wrote:
Recently I read an article in the British paper the Guardian exposing a Russian snuff porn ring that had international distribution into Italy, Britain, America and Germany. The men involved with the ring would find homeless teenagers to be in their videos by going to the train stations or orphanages and promising a meal or a place to stay for the night. A follow up article reported that prices for the videos ranged as high as $20,000.

And the article in question:http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,375883,00.html

[hawk]

Venus, I have no doubt that things like this happen.The problem is, can it be stopped?

[venusinpisces]

That's a big question, Hawk! ;) I think that, in analyzing the origins of these films, it will always trace back to organizations funded by the world's most powerful people. It's like asking can we stop the Illuminati?:D

Sure, why not? Everything that we are doing is having an effect on the powers that be, whether that is immediately obvious or not. Despite how omnipotent they sometimes seem, I stil think that the focused will of every day people will always be stronger. That is why it is so important for them to secure our permission through advertising and other media. If they really were all-powerful, then they would just overtake us through all-out warfare and everyone would have microchips tomorrow.

As far as dealing with snuff films, what can you really do? Talk to people who want to hear about it, discourage blind acceptance of the type of culture that thinks they are "cool", etc. The Hostel movie would be one clear example of this. That is really about all that I can think of, but it's better than not doing anything when the issue is something that affects you.

[wisdomgirl]

MODS?

I have found a clip of this movie this thread is referring too, can i post the link to the video? I wanted to ask first before posting it as i'm not sure if it will be allowed. I have looked through the clip and it doesn't show any of the actual rape or sacrifice in the scene, just parts of the movie which is about 30 mins long.

I came across this thread while reading about this film on the net and there was a link to this thread via that.

Thanks Wisdomgirl :)

[merlincove]

MODS?

I have found a clip of this movie this thread is referring too, can i post the link to the video? I wanted to ask first before posting it as i'm not sure if it will be allowed. I have looked through the clip and it doesn't show any of the actual rape or sacrifice in the scene, just parts of the movie which is about 30 mins long.

I came across this thread while reading about this film on the net and there was a link to this thread via that.

Thanks Wisdomgirl :)

The posting of pornography is covered in the forum guidelines, wisdomgirl, and moderation of the site is very strict that pornography should not be posted: this includes links to porn sites, images and video's.

Remember too that the site is viewed by minors.

[wisdomgirl]

The posting of pornography is covered in the forum guidelines, wisdomgirl, and moderation of the site is very strict that pornography should not be posted: this includes links to porn sites, images and video's.

Remember too that the site is viewed by minors.

Ok thanks merlincove.

The site i found the link on is Vimeo video sharing site, it's not a porn site or anything to do with porn, it's like a youtube site. And the clip i found doesn't have anything graphic in it.

But i won't post it anyway, just wanted to check first, i was trying to be responsible.

Wisdomgirl.

[merlincove]

Ok thanks merlincove.

Wisdomgirl.

:D

thanks, wish others were as considerate.

i think it is without question that Madonna is a huge part of the illuminati arena, and a lot of that has been discussed in the gaga thread.

That she was mind controlled, i think is pretty clear, and looking a her now, now that she has passed on the mantle of mother goddess, we can clearly see that she is perhaps at the end of her useage to the PTB.

She made the movie before she found her fame, and maybe the flick was a springboard to the stage that she 'found' herself on.

She is intricately linked to bloodline, and her rags to riches story reeks of programmed lies, imo.

i feel that as a bloodline member her rise to stardom was destined and she could choose to follow her destiny or else be disposed of.

Her sacrifice was assured i guess, and the typical illuminati mirror can be seen in her film as discussed, that she may still be ritually sacrificed now that she has passed her sell by date remains to be seen.

[armoured_amazon]

The fact that exists, and that there is a definition, shows there is something really wrong with this planet sometimes.

+1

[wisdomgirl]

:D

thanks, wish others were as considerate.

i think it is without question that Madonna is a huge part of the illuminati arena, and a lot of that has been discussed in the gaga thread.

That she was mind controlled, i think is pretty clear, and looking a her now, now that she has passed on the mantle of mother goddess, we can clearly see that she is perhaps at the end of her useage to the PTB.

She made the movie before she found her fame, and maybe the flick was a springboard to the stage that she 'found' herself on.

She is intricately linked to bloodline, and her rags to riches story reeks of programmed lies, imo.

i feel that as a bloodline member her rise to stardom was destined and she could choose to follow her destiny or else be disposed of.

Her sacrifice was assured i guess, and the typical illuminati mirror can be seen in her film as discussed, that she may still be ritually sacrificed now that she has passed her sell by date remains to be seen.

Cool merlincove :)

The clip is on Vimeo anyhow for anyone who wants to see it, i didn't want to get banned or anything :D


One of the strange things is in the film credits, there are some people involved in this film with the same surname, which is Pattnosh.

There is Jeremy Pattnosh, then Joseph Pattnosh, then John joseph Pattnosh and a lady by the name of Ann Pattnosh, weird eh? Could they be all family members? They must be because it would be too much of a coincidence for them not be by that name, and another thing is you can't find any info on the director/writer of the film (Stephan jon lewicki) either, probably due to his illuminati connections i guess.

I've also tried searching for the actors involved, still nothing, proper weird!!

[quiranitramsab]

I found this thread after getting to know about the gynophagia site on the Stepforded thread . I think this is the most horrible thing ever to be seen on the web .

But now my question is about their disclaimer :

" The mature subject matter may be offensive or disturbing to sensitive viewers and visual depictions contain graphic violence, occult depictions, and nudity. Some are reality. Viewer discretion is strongly advised. "


WTF ! :mad:

It has already been suggested in other places by " whale " that action should be taken if possible .
http://whale.to/b/madonna_h.html

Warning:If you are squeamish about violence, then please skip this post.

I am a bit hesitant to post this link, because the material contained within is truly beyond horrible. I found it referenced in Fritz Springmeier's Illuminati Formula and visited a few years ago. At this point the site advertised that it was selling actual snuff movies, and there were a few clips of what looked like either an actual rape scene or something close, as well as some gory stuff that claimed to be a genuine murder. Some of it looked fake and some of it looked real. To find this portion of the site, click on Macabre videos. Many of them claim to be instances of satanic rituals. Now the site has been refurbished and the first picture there is of the Moloch statue at the Bohemian Grove!!! The link to the videos, including Madonna's aleged snuff film, is at the bottom of the page. Words cannot describe how horrible this website is. Please don't post anything from here on the thread! The nude pics that Lostworld linked to above are nothing compared to this. Truly astounding that sites like this are allowed to exist. I'm sure that BDSM people would probably argue with me about this, but if they want to put out videos of "consensual" rape scenes, then all it does is provide a cover for the real thing to exist in plain view. Maybe everyone here could work together to get this site shut down. Any ideas as to how this could be accomplished?

[klc_infowarrior]

Maybe everyone here could work together to get this site shut down. Any ideas as to how this could be accomplished?

good luck taking down that force. its well funded, as their greed knows no bounds.

also, (((IMO))) exposing it, does nothing either except lure more sick f*cks down that path.


sorry I have no solution to offer to the discussion. as much as this topic sickens me, I don't see it going away anytime soon.

unless the planet gets wiped out.

[whale]

What do you mean by snuff?

filmed murders http://whale.to/b/snuff_films.html

the Pulp Fiction guy is rumoured to do that, wouldn't be at all surprised, his energy is dire.

you can imagine Madonna, the current version anyway, being involved in all sorts of horrible stuff, her energy is truly truly horrible.
http://whale.to/b/madonn5.jpg


Godknows what goes on way underground in the underground empire, let alone above ground. These reptoids aren't human, and don't feel, they get off on emotions you get from seeing someone killed.

Not something I have the stomach for, can't imagine how it affects police guys, the human ones anyway. Of course, they can always say they are faked, but even that is psychopathic.

http://whale.to/b/484px-Quentin_Tarantino_horned_hands.jpghttp://whale.to/b/quenti42.jpg
yuck

[zegzy]

Subd to read later.

[saint_frankenstein]

I saw that movie with Madonna in it. Or skipped through it, anyway. There's no actual rape or snuff. If you think the rape scene in that movie is real, then I suppose the gang rape scene in the Accused is real because that scene is far worse.

As far as I know, no actual snuff films of human beings that fit the accepted definition of a "snuff film" have surfaced. There's videos of actual rapes, murders, suicides, torture, execution, accidents, etc but none of those would fall under the definition of a snuff film. The only thing I've seen that comes close to an actual snuff film are those "crush videos", but those are cats, dogs, rabbits and other small animals - not humans.

Sometimes, extreme underground Horror films are suspected to be actual snuff films because of the realistic and graphic violence and gore in some of them. But they're not real.

That's what happens when you get your "information" from conspiracy rumor mills and don't bother to look into it yourself. :rolleyes:

[klc_infowarrior]

That's what happens when you get your "information" from conspiracy rumor mills and don't bother to look into it yourself. :rolleyes:

nice avatar :rolleyes:

[saint_frankenstein]

nice avatar :rolleyes:

Thanks? I don't see what my avatar has to do with anything, since you're apparently attempting to insult.

[no_world_order]

Venus, I have no doubt that things like this happen.The problem is, can it be stopped?

The problem is: it won´t be stopped, as long as sick minds are willing to pay money for such videos.
it´s like with many things in society, of course anything can be stopped, but the people have to stop buying certain stuff. it all comes down to money...how can we stop the surveillance-state, when 95% of the people would rape and murder for the newest I-Fuckthing-Phone ??? They are throwing their money down the companies throats, same with pornography.
I just cannot imagine who would pay 20.000 pieces of paper ($) for a video with an actual killing and raping...why would somebody do this?

[peabrain]

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if madonna was involved in snuff movies, her acting is diabolical and she 'dies a death' in every one of the movies she has starred in.

[saint_frankenstein]

I just cannot imagine who would pay 20.000 pieces of paper ($) for a video with an actual killing and raping...why would somebody do this?

There's a lot of possible reasons why. Because they're attracted to such things, because they're curious or they find it interesting on some level and they have a lot of money to throw around, etc.

The real question is why would they bother paying so much for such a video when you can find pretty much the same things for free online? There's some rape videos and there's plenty of videos of people being killed in the most graphic ways all over the place online. I've never seen a video that had both rape and murder in it, though.

[doubledrop]

filmed murders http://whale.to/b/snuff_films.html

c

I just sat and read that link. I hope to god that isn't true.:(

[saint_frankenstein]

I just sat and read that link. I hope to god that isn't true.:(

There's been a lot of news articles and rumors about snuff films, but so far, nothing substantiated.

[ronisron]

There's been a lot of news articles and rumors about snuff films, but so far, nothing substantiated.

Really? They have shown people being executed on the TV news -- they call it casualties of war.

Charles Ng was a notorious serial killer who filmed all sorts of snuff, torture, rape, mutilation....of women mostly, but men and children too. In Canada, two serial killers also filmed the acts they became infamous for, and those tapes were all seized by "the authorities" who in the last case assured the public that "the tapes would be destroyed". For some reason when I read that last line about the tapes being destroyed it hit me; some of these guys are filming this stuff for the benefit of other people. Snuff films don't just circulate freely, and they aren't available for everyone. Though if you want to link to the "deep web" I'm sure you could find some genuine snuff there.

All of these "serial killers" who film their exploits are providing entertainment for more than just their own personal use.

[saint_frankenstein]

Really? They have shown people being executed on the TV news -- they call it casualties of war.

Charles Ng was a notorious serial killer who filmed all sorts of snuff, torture, rape, mutilation....of women mostly, but men and children too. In Canada, two serial killers also filmed the acts they became infamous for, and those tapes were all seized by "the authorities" who in the last case assured the public that "the tapes would be destroyed". For some reason when I read that last line about the tapes being destroyed it hit me; some of these guys are filming this stuff for the benefit of other people. Snuff films don't just circulate freely, and they aren't available for everyone. Though if you want to link to the "deep web" I'm sure you could find some genuine snuff there.

All of these "serial killers" who film their exploits are providing entertainment for more than just their own personal use.

Execution videos don't fit the definition of "snuff films". A snuff film is supposed to be a porn video that ends in a murder that's sold for profit. I'm not saying they don't exist. They probably do. It's just that a true example of one existing, that's made for profit, hasn't turned up yet as far as I know.

[mountainwarrior]

I saw that movie with Madonna in it. Or skipped through it, anyway. There's no actual rape or snuff. If you think the rape scene in that movie is real, then I suppose the gang rape scene in the Accused is real because that scene is far worse.

As far as I know, no actual snuff films of human beings that fit the accepted definition of a "snuff film" have surfaced. There's videos of actual rapes, murders, suicides, torture, execution, accidents, etc but none of those would fall under the definition of a snuff film. The only thing I've seen that comes close to an actual snuff film are those "crush videos", but those are cats, dogs, rabbits and other small animals - not humans.

Sometimes, extreme underground Horror films are suspected to be actual snuff films because of the realistic and graphic violence and gore in some of them. But they're not real.

That's what happens when you get your "information" from conspiracy rumor mills and don't bother to look into it yourself. :rolleyes:

absurd posts.

snuff vids don't exist because you haven't seen one?

to say that there's no vids of people being murdered that exist in the world is asinine

[saint_frankenstein]

absurd posts.

snuff vids don't exist because you haven't seen one?

to say that there's no vids of people being murdered that exist in the world is asinine

I think you need to re-read my post, because I said nothing of the sort.

[mountainwarrior]

Execution videos don't fit the definition of "snuff films". A snuff film is supposed to be a porn video that ends in a murder that's sold for profit. I'm not saying they don't exist. They probably do. It's just that a true example of one existing, that's made for profit, hasn't turned up yet as far as I know.

if someone had such a video what do you think they would do with it? Maybe send it to the media? Perhaps show it to the police? LOL! Good one!

There's a reason 'one hasn't turned up yet' (dropped from the sky perhaps) because if someone had one and tried to expose it to the world, they would end up dead in about 5 minutes

Paul Bernardo and his wife filmed the torture rape and murder of the girls they killed, he was a freemason. It has been said by one author that they were making snuff films for the black market, the author who wrote about this in his book, oh, and he's BTW dead now!!!

[mountainwarrior]

I randomly got picked up hitchhiking by a guy who had seen this video. His girlfriend had come from a ritual abuse family so he took it seriously. The website that Springmeier referenced was called gynophagia.org, in case anyone wants to look it up. The website sells the Madonna video. But be forewarned, I have a strong stomach for this type of thing and that website was very upsetting to look at. I remember that what Springmeier said was that the site mixed obiously fake snuff with the real thing, which makes sense because the fake version could provide a cover.

The idea that snuff has been discredited is a false one. Here is an excert from a story I wrote:
Recently I read an article in the British paper the Guardian exposing a Russian snuff porn ring that had international distribution into Italy, Britain, America and Germany. The men involved with the ring would find homeless teenagers to be in their videos by going to the train stations or orphanages and promising a meal or a place to stay for the night. A follow up article reported that prices for the videos ranged as high as $20,000.

And the article in question:http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,375883,00.html

this makes sense , the videos OP posted on the link quite possibly were made for the masses and as a cover for the underground videos they distribute on the black market.

[saint_frankenstein]

if someone had such a video what do you think they would do with it? Maybe send it to the media? Perhaps show it to the police? LOL! Good one!

There's a reason 'one hasn't turned up yet' (dropped from the sky perhaps) because if someone had one and tried to expose it to the world, they would end up dead in about 5 minutes

Paul Bernardo and his wife filmed the torture rape and murder of the girls they killed, he was a freemason. It has been said by one author that they were making snuff films for the black market, the author who wrote about this in his book, oh, and he's BTW dead now!!!

Things have a way of ending up on the Internet. How do you think websites featuring real videos and pictures of gore and death operate? A lot of time they have connections with the police, EMTs, etc. There's also peer-to-peer sites.

There's no "big reveal" needed. So the chances of one of those types of videos existing but not ending up on the Internet at all are slim to none. Especially if it's such a huge "industry" as people are claiming.

Now, does that mean it doesn't happen? No. Just that there hasn't been concrete evidence of it.

It also depends on how you wish to define "snuff film". The usual definition of it, is a pornographic video (sex) that ends up in a murder and then is sold for profit. That is the definition I am using. Some people seem to be calling any video that features a murder on film a "snuff film". In that case, there's many videos of that online. But that's not what I'm talking about. There's lots of videos of people being murdered that are online, but none of them were created for profit.

[mountainwarrior]

any website that showed a video of a famous/elite person involved in a snuff film would be shut down under the guise of national security in under 10 minutes

[saint_frankenstein]

any website that showed a video of a famous/elite person involved in a snuff film would be shut down under the guise of national security in under 10 minutes

Famous person or not, no "snuff film", period, has surfaced.

[mountainwarrior]

Famous person or not, no "snuff film", period, has surfaced.

I honestly don't know if there are snuff films on the internet(people being murdered and filmed for video sales) I don't seek that kind of thing out, but you do seem like an expert on this stuff?

As for there being no evidence of a underground elite connected black market snuff film business, of course there's no solid evidence

They have the power to shut down any website at any time, and they own the media, control law enforcement and they kill people who try to expose this stuff.

[mountainwarrior]

it's quite possible paul bernardo was producing videos for this black market, concrete evidence nah, but a shit ton of circumstantial and speculative evidence

[saint_frankenstein]

I honestly don't know if there are snuff films on the internet(people being murdered and filmed for video sales) I don't seek that kind of thing out, but you do seem like an expert on this stuff?

As for there being no evidence of a underground elite connected black market snuff film business, of course there's no solid evidence

They have the power to shut down any website at any time, and they own the media, control law enforcement and they kill people who try to expose this stuff.

I'm don't know if I'm an "expert", but I do know a lot about the subject. I've seen many things on the Internet. Researched a lot of stuff. But I haven't come across any videos of people being killed that were made for profit. Like I said, the closest I've come to that sort of thing were those "crush" videos. But that was with animals. In terms of humans, I suppose it would be the video of the "Dnepropetrovsk maniacs" gruesomely torturing one of their murder victims. There were some rumors that they filmed their murders and other crimes in hopes of selling them for a profit. But that hasn't been proven. So I guess they just filmed it for "fun".

I'm open-minded about the subject, though. It does make a lot of sense, and there sure are a lot of psychopaths who have a lot of money. So it's a definite possibility. But for now, it's unproven.

[mountainwarrior]

nah there's enough evidence to prove this stuff goes on, without a video.

same with 911, jfk, ect

[saint_frankenstein]

nah there's enough evidence to prove this stuff goes on, without a video.

same with 911, jfk, ect

It's mostly a bunch of rumors, as far as I can tell. Are the "elites" involved in sick shit? I'm fairly certain of it. We know about the prostitute rings in Washington, etc. But snuff films? That's the rumor part. Who knows.

We'll probably never know if it's all true or not, unfortunately.

[mountainwarrior]

It's mostly a bunch of rumors, as far as I can tell. Are the "elites" involved in sick shit? I'm fairly certain of it. We know about the prostitute rings in Washington, etc. But snuff films? That's the rumor part. Who knows.

We'll probably never know if it's all true or not, unfortunately.

Is the franklin coverup a rumor, hollie greig a rumor, paul bernardo a rumor ? x1000 more well documented cases

You're right, we probably will never know, because we're all gunna be dead or enslaved soon, and all free media will be banned.

[saint_frankenstein]

Is the franklin coverup a rumor, hollie greig a rumor, paul bernardo a rumor ? x1000 more well documented cases

The Franklin scandal was originally about a child prostitution ring. As I understand it, the stuff about snuff films, MK-Ultra, Hunter S. Thompson, "satanism", etc was added on later.

I have no opinion about the Hollie Greig issue. Didn't it just fall apart, anyway? I don't see it going anywhere.

What about Paul Bernardo?

You're right, we probably will never know, because we're all gunna be dead or enslaved soon, and all free media will be banned.

No one knows the future.

[mountainwarrior]

The Franklin scandal was originally about a child prostitution ring. As I understand it, the stuff about snuff films, MK-Ultra, Hunter S. Thompson, "satanism", etc was added on later.

I have no opinion about the Hollie Greig issue. Didn't it just fall apart, anyway? I don't see it going anywhere.

What about Paul Bernardo?



No one knows the future.

You should research in depth all three events/crimes listed above + 100's well documented cases in much more depth before you conclude 'its all rumors', because your knowledge is seriously lacking at least on those three topics ....

[saint_frankenstein]

You should research in depth all three events/crimes listed above + 100's well documented cases in much more depth before you conclude 'its all rumors', because your knowledge is seriously lacking at least on those three topics ....

I've done the research. I have seen no conclusive evidence of anything. Do you have evidence? Stuff that doesn't amount to rumor?

[mountainwarrior]

I've done the research. I have seen no conclusive evidence of anything. Do you have evidence? Stuff that doesn't amount to rumor?

I can't even believe i'm responding to your uninformed, silly comments, this is the last one....

You have seen no evidence because you have done zero research , you have no recollection or memory of what went down at decamp, hollie greig or bernardo? you just told me you couldn't remember what happened? Are You serious?

You're wasting my time at this point, you have no idea what went down because you are uninformed ill educated and ignorant.

Have fun trolling with your silly avatar and sig, I'm guessing you are some emo kid pretending he is part of the elite from his moms basement

You're ignored

[saint_frankenstein]

I can't even believe i'm responding to your uninformed, silly comments, this is the last one....

You have seen no evidence because you have done zero research , you have no recollection or memory of what went down at decamp, hollie greig or bernardo? you just told me you couldn't remember what happened? Are You serious?

You're wasting my time at this point, you have no idea what went down because you are uninformed ill educated and ignorant.

Have fun trolling with your silly avatar and sig, I'm guessing you are some emo kid pretending he is part of the elite from his moms basement

You're ignored

I've been researching this stuff for years. There's been a lot of allegations, and rumors. Like I said, there is no evidence of actual snuff films existing, when snuff films are defined as murder videos made and sold for profit. There simply is none. All the conspiracy ruminations in the world doesn't add up to proof. You types can whine and get all angry and throw people on ignore over that fact all you want (which is par for the course when evidence is called for), but that doesn't change the facts of the matter.

Now you can go sulk like a little baby. I don't give a flying fuck. You know nothing about me. If you're going to judge someone on the basis of an avatar, then I guess you're an "abductee" who has 5 kids with your alien "husband" or "wife". Obviously you have no room to judge.

And it's interesting how I just asked for a simply presentation of evidence for your claims and you throw a childish tissy fit, attempt to insult me like a 3rd grader and ignore me. How telling.

[sugarray]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/oct/01/ameliagentleman.philipwillan

Britain is a key link in the biggest ever international investigation into the production and supply of paedophile 'snuff' movies - in which children are murdered on film - an Observer investigation can reveal.

The key suspect in the inquiry, a Russian who was arrested last week in Moscow for distribution of thousands of sadistic child porn videos and pictures, was traced following the seizure of his products from British paedophiles.

Dmitri Vladimirovich Kuznetsov, a 30-year-old former car mechanic in Moscow, was identified after British Customs and police traced the origin of violent child porn videos found in the UK back to Russia.

Last week Italian police seized 3,000 of Kuznetsov's videos on their way to clients in Italy, sparking an international hunt for paedophiles who have bought his products. The Italian investigators say the material includes footage of children dying during abuse. Prosecutors in Naples are considering charging those who have bought the videos with complicity in murder. They say some may have specifically requested films of killings.

British authorities yesterday confirmed that scores of Kuznetsov's videos, produced in his small flat in Moscow's rundown Vykhino district, have been found in the UK. They are concerned that 'snuff' movies in which children are killed may have also been imported.

Around a dozen British men have already been arrested and charged with offences alleged to be connected to the Russian tapes. A second Russian child porn ring, which allegedly had a British distributor, was broken up earlier this year. The investigation into the importing of violent Russian child porn which led to the identification and subsequent imprisonment of Kuznetsov started about 15 months ago after Customs seized material coming into the country. Since then there have been dozens of other finds.

'We have seen some very, very nasty stuff involving sadistic abuse of very young children, but actual deaths on film takes it a whole step further. That is very worrying,' said one senior customs officer this weekend.

British paedophiles were paying between £50 and £100 for Kuznetsov's tapes, the officer said. Further fees were paid for access to a website that features pictures of extremely violent abuse.

Though two men arrested with Kuznetsov have also been imprisoned by Moscow authorities, only one of the three remains behind bars. Dmitri Ivanov was sentenced to 11 years for actually participating in the abuse that was being filmed. The others were released under an amnesty aimed at clearing Russia's overcrowded prisons.

When officers from the Moscow Criminal Investigation Department raided Kuznetsov's flat they found two boys in a makeshift studio. They seized a huge quantity of films and other pornographic material as well as lists of clients in Italy, Germany, America and Britain.

Last week Italian detectives moved in, following months of inquiries, and arrested eight people. The police searched more than 600 homes and say they now have evidence against about 500 people. Among the suspects were businessmen, public employees and a university student. Several of them were married, with children of their own. Hundreds of people are also under investigation in Germany.

The Russian videos, which had been ordered over the internet, were intercepted when they came into Italy by post, repackaged and then delivered by undercover police officers. They cost between £300 and £4,000, depending on what type of film was ordered.

Covert film of young children naked or undressing was known as a 'SNIPE' video. The most appalling category was code-named 'Necros Pedo' in which children were raped and tortured until they died.

Police in Russia and the UK believe that Kuznetsov and his associates have been in business for more than two years in which time they are believed to have recruited around 100 boys - aged between nine and 15 - to be filmed.

'Most of the children were rounded up from railway stations. A lot of them came from the suburbs, or surrounding regions and were from deprived, problem families,' said Kiril Mazurin, a police spokesman.

'Usually when children like this arrive in the capital, they've got no idea where to go and hang around in the station. It's very easy to entice this kind of teenager - with a promise of a warm bed or a trip to the cinema.'

Many were lured away from orphanages. 'Children are not locked in,' said Mazurin. 'Anyone can come along and promise them a meal at McDonalds. It doesn't take any more than that."

Some children were paid a commission to find other boys willing to be filmed, according to reports in the Russian press, for a fee of between 100 and 300 roubles (£2.50 - £7).

Kuznetsov had given up his job in 1998 to devote himself to the lucrative pornography industry. A self-taught computer expert, he was in the process of upgrading his equipment to allow him to e-mail videos directly to clients when police raided him.

Many customers repeatedly ordered videos from him. The Naples newspaper Il Mattino published a transcript of an alleged email exchange between a prospective client and the Russian vendors.

'Promise me you're not ripping me off,' says the Italian.

'Relax, I can assure you this one really dies,' the Russian responds.

'The last time I paid and I didn't get what I wanted.'

'What do you want?'

'To see them die.'

[saint_frankenstein]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/oct/01/ameliagentleman.philipwillan

I've seen that article many, many times before. There doesn't seem to have been any follow-up to it. Just that one article and then...nothing.

[mountainwarrior]

saint pussy, you are still on ignore, but i happened to read your post when i was not logged in.....

how fucking stupid are you?

these people have enough influence power and money to keep their black op underground trade on the down lo, stupid....

Hunter S thompson has this under ground trade well documented in his books if you know what to look for.

you aint bloodline illuminati, i have more respect for bloodline illuminati then i do for shill traitors...

and illuminati have more respect for me then they do for shill traitors

so keep your trolling/shilling up.....we will see how far that gets you....

[saint_frankenstein]

saint pussy, you are still on ignore, but i happened to read your post when i was not logged in.....

how fucking stupid are you?

these people have enough influence power and money to keep their black op underground trade on the down lo, stupid....

Hunter S thompson has this under ground trade well documented in his books if you know what to look for.

you aint bloodline illuminati, i have more respect for bloodline illuminati then i do for shill traitors...

and illuminati have more respect for me then they do for shill traitors

so keep your trolling/shilling up.....we will see how far that gets you....

If I'm on ignore, then why the fuck are you replying to me? Pussy bitch. You're obviously trolling here. Fuck off, and take your fantasies with you. I'm interested in research, not babble.

[mountainwarrior]

ill give you some advice, noob, if you are not bloodline illuminati, dont shill for them, because they think of those types of people as maggots to be disposed of.....

[saint_frankenstein]

ill give you some advice, noob, if you are not bloodline illuminati, dont shill for them, because they think of those types of people as maggots to be disposed of.....

I'm not "shilling" for anyone, idiot. It's called using logic and seeking evidence for a claim. I don't see any comprehensive evidence, and I have looked. All I did was ask for verifiable evidence and you blew a gasket. "They've covered it up!" is not an excuse to not provide actual evidence of something. Things always leak out. If there's no evidence for these alleged huge and powerful snuff film operations, then there's no reason to buy into that sort of thinking.

Funny that it the whole idea of a "snuff film" came from Ed Sanders' book about the Manson Family, the Family, and he made it quite clear that it was just a rumor and he didn't know if it was true or not. Then the concept became tied into suspicion over certain Exploitation films/extreme Horror films. Somewhere along the line, it became integrated into conspiracy theory subculture, and here we are. Now, do any films that can be called "snuff films" exist? Maybe, depending on your definition of a "snuff film". Those "crush" videos of animals being smashed to death were made for a profit and sold to clients. The video of the "Dnepropetrovsk maniacs" torturing one of their victims to death is rather infamous as of late. They recorded pretty much all of their crimes, and some have speculated that they made the videos to be sold to a "rich foreign website operator", but nothing was proven of that. Those examples are the closest we have to "snuff films". But a huge cabal that revolves around filming and selling such films isn't known to exist. If it did, it wouldn't be much of a secret for long due to the high level of public interest in such subjects due to the fact that "snuff films" have entered the public conscious and have become an urban legend.

So, until it's proven that such cabals do indeed exist, then it's just a cool theme for Horror movies, books and video games and not much else.

Now, you're going on ignore. Unlike you, I actually mean it. I don't have the time or patience for paranoid morons who like to accuse people of absolute nonsense. Nor am I a "noob" to this subject matter.

Get a clue.