Extremist group Hizb ut tihrir call for caliphate

[mightyoak]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100004840/extremists-call-for-caliphate-in-londonistan/

:mad:

[mr t]

shouldnt believe everything in the papers.

[keystone]

shouldnt believe everything in the papers.

Bugger the DT (even though the reporter quite clearly can't atually read as he's misreported) - what do you make of this on their own website then?

clicky (http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/press-centre/press-release/photos-thousands-attend-hizb-ut-tahrir-s-london-conference.html)

as a matter of interest.

Cheers

[eternal_spirit]

shouldnt believe everything in the papers.
We don't we only have to look at a Koran to know Mohammed said convert or kill.

[mr t]

Bugger the DT (even though the reporter quite clearly can't atually read as he's misreported) - what do you make of this on their own website then?

clicky (http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/press-centre/press-release/photos-thousands-attend-hizb-ut-tahrir-s-london-conference.html)

as a matter of interest.

Cheers

the confernece was HELD in london

[mr t]

We don't we only have to look at a Koran to know Mohammed said convert or kill.

load of bullshit, youve been proven wrong on so many threads!

[keystone]

the confernece was HELD in londonYes I know that - I'm not completely stupid. Thats why I said that the DT reporter can't read or did you miss that bit?

Still like to get you take on it - putting the DT report to one side as I suggested.

Cheers

[mr t]

sorry, didnt mean to cause offence, i live in a muslim area, and have spoken to some of this lot a few times, according to them they want to unify their own lands and have a caliphate there. They dont want it here, and i have no problem with that, ive spoke to them at legnth, and they say they just want to be left alone.

i dont see why anyone else should have a problem with it either, after all it was the british empire created the world map we have now.

By the way they are alot more pleasant and easier to talk to than the bnp!

[rhydra]

Why is this group allowed to operate and make Muslims look bad and become a target for those who are more likely to believe every word of the red tops? because they are being paid by the government, they are government agents, MI5/6 employees. Ever wondered why those like Hamza and Co are never extradited to the US and those like Anjem Choudhary, why would they let people like him go around? Surely if he wasn't being protected by the state and informing he would be locked up by now.

[bendoon]

You don't need a red top to tell you that Muslims are taking over Britain and Europe you just need a pair of eyes.

[eternal_spirit]

Some of you really need to do some research on these topics please.

Quote from the comments I'd say this is a fair anaylisis.

Roxn
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And in most cases Muslims are just 3-4% of the population - but they are saying at this early stage - we are going to take you over.
This is a myth.
Any analysis of this country shows that there are millions more.
Whole islamic schools and over 300 state schools where the numbers are over 90% ethnic - which means mainly muslim.
Just look around town by town and you can see that the percentage is far higher.
Look at the ethnicity and religion of new mothers.
Some years ago the muslims themselves were claiming 6 million in the country - that alone is 10% of the population. Since then mass immigration by muslims has continued unabated and their birthrate far far exceeds the indigenous population.
Like in Kosovo we are being gradually overtaken by ‘muslim creep’.
How long before they claim their first ’state’ on the basis of majority. Sharia is being secretly introduced on a widespread basis.
We are being systematically ethnically cleansed, street by street, suburb by suburb, and soon town by town.
They are using our democracy against us by legal and illegal voting not least in marginal seats which explains why the craven Dave is sucking up to the ethnic vote just as sickeningly as Brown.
Don’t be complacent with your ‘only 3/4%. Tell that to the people of Serbia, Holland and other nations. Tell that to the indigenous folk of cities and towns across the UK.



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[runciter]

Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Gladio-style terror in Istanbul, New York, Jakarta, Mumbai and London, linked to 'Moslem' militants and Israel?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/Sm6sU3W3PhI/AAAAAAAAKSc/0TqM3AKW2Qo/s400/Sultanvahideddin.jpg

Events in Turkey reveal a lot about false flag operations, where fascists of various religions work in harmony.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is an extremist Moslem group which is supposed to be trying to bring about an Islamic caliphate.

Reportedly, Hizb ut-Tahrir has links to the Pentagon, Israel and Gladio-style terrorism.

Operation Gladio was a CIA-Pentagon-NATO operation which reportedly carried out acts of terrorism in Italy in order to keep the right-wing folks in power.

And it's not just in Jakarta and New York and Mumbai and London that we now find Gladio-style terror.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/Sm6rbBm5ExI/AAAAAAAAKSU/vR4vo7uoNvI/s400/Bologna.jpg

The Bologna Bombing was blamed on the CIA-NATO's Operation Gladio.

In Turkey, there is evidence that right-wing elements within the military, known as Ergenekon, worked with Islamic militants to destabilise the country and promote a fascist agenda.

Turkish police have recently detained nearly 200 suspected members of Hizb ut-Tahrir. (Close relation between Hizb ut-Tahrir, Ergenekon exposed (http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-182248-101-close-relation-between-hizb-ut-tahrir-ergenekon-exposed.html))

An investigation has revealed that Uğur K. and İsmail G., two of those detained, had, in the past, had several telephone conversations with Ergenekon suspects, including Maj. Fikret Emek.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/Sm6ra-eTSrI/AAAAAAAAKSM/tXNF24nOK_k/s400/terror+on+the+tube.jpg

Gladio-style terrorism seems to be being used in London, Jakarta, Mumbai...

The Turkish media tells us, on 28 July 2009, that the Close relationship between Hizb ut-Tahrir and Ergenekon has been exposed

"According to the Ergenekon indictment, Ergenekon leaders used terrorist organizations in Turkey ... to create chaos in the country, which they hoped would make it easier to realize their ultimate goal of triggering a military intervention.

"The evidence suggests that the group had links to ... the fundamentalist organization Hizbullah ... and Hizb ut-Tahrir...

"A past raid at the house of Kemal Aydın and Neriman Aydın, two Ergenekon suspects, had revealed the terrorist organization's close ties with Hizb ut-Tahrir...

"İstanbul police also said the leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir's Turkish branch, Cemalettin B., started to lead his group from Israel, where he settled after being released from prison in Turkey. Cemalettin B. was sending e-mails to his followers from his Israeli home and preparing his group for attacks in Turkey.

"Turkish police are now focusing on the relations between the group's leader and Israel. Cemalettin B. has not been subjected to police follow-up or legal action in Israel since he settled there."

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Fifty-six people, including two retired generals, journalists and ... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159127.stm)

aangirfan: Turkey, the PKK and Israel (http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2007/10/turkey-pkk-and-israel.html)

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http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/gladio-style-terror-in-istanbul-new.html

[paulstott]

shouldnt believe everything in the papers.

Indeed but HuT do call for a caliphate, it is their core belief.

[runciter]

Indeed but HuT do call for a caliphate, it is their core belief.

i think it's a globalist front.

its ordinary members are probably "true believers", but the strings are pulled by cia/mossad/mi5-6.

[mrerisian]

Indeed but HuT do call for a caliphate, it is their core belief.

It's the core idea of Islam. A Caliphate is intended to be a one world government which submits to a Caliph who in turn submits to the Quran. Are there people on the David Icke forum who don't know that?

[runciter]

It's the core idea of Islam. A Caliphate is intended to be a one world government which submits to a Caliph who in turn submits to the Quran. Are there people on the David Icke forum who don't know that?

the core idea of the imperialists is to put the blame on islam, while advancing a virtually identical agenda.

are there people on this forum who don't know that the zionists are joyfully manipulating muslim fundamentalism?

[mrerisian]

the core idea of the imperialists is to put the blame on islam, while advancing a virtually identical agenda.


Two sides of the same con. ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Runciter which country do you live in?

[runciter]

Two sides of the same con. ;)

yes, in a certain sense, but the mooooslems aren't messing with zionist fundamentalism.

[runciter]

Runciter which country do you live in?

http://files.splinder.com/1fde8080d0bffd1c2024d6c38ae0f366.jpeg

[turbine]

Scum like them should be deported asap. Let the ghurkas and their families into our country.

[islamvslizards]

Scum like them should be deported asap. Let the ghurkas and their families into our country.

i wouldnt call them scum, thats a bit harsh. they are a peaceful political party whose members have been persecuted all over the world - for example saddamn used to feed the limbs of members children into mincemeat machines in front of the members as one form of torture.

having said that, they dont stand a chance. i disagree completely with their system of caliphate - there will always be a difference in opinion between muslims, how will they make a "global" caliphate? for eg if their caliph is a sunni, the shias will not accept him since he is a lower level of knowledge then their scholars, and is not the awaited imam, and if the caliph is a shia, then he wont be a real shia because shias do not accept caliphate as legitimate government!

hizb ut tehrir tried to get ayatollah khomeini to be their "world caliph" at the height of the revolution, even he told them to get stuffed.

one world caliphate? never. one world SUNNI caliphate? never, one world caliphate based on the madhab of the caliphate in question? never, they arent that popular.

let them try, they are doomed to failure before they even start, and at least they are peaceful and non confrontational

[turbine]

i wouldnt call them scum, thats a bit harsh. they are a peaceful political party whose members have been persecuted all over the world - for example saddamn used to feed the limbs of members children into mincemeat machines in front of the members as one form of torture.

having said that, they dont stand a chance. i disagree completely with their system of caliphate - there will always be a difference in opinion between muslims, how will they make a "global" caliphate? for eg if their caliph is a sunni, the shias will not accept him since he is a lower level of knowledge then their scholars, and is not the awaited imam, and if the caliph is a shia, then he wont be a real shia because shias do not accept caliphate as legitimate government!

hizb ut tehrir tried to get ayatollah khomeini to be their "world caliph" at the height of the revolution, even he told them to get stuffed.

one world caliphate? never. one world SUNNI caliphate? never, one world caliphate based on the madhab of the caliphate in question? never, they arent that popular.

let them try, they are doomed to failure before they even start, and at least they are peaceful and non confrontational

No, they are scum. You're clearly biased because they are muslims. And for the record, I detest the BNP just as much.

Scum like them (and the bnp for that matter) have no right in our country. Kicking them out would do everyone a load of good. They can go back to the middle east and vent all their hate for the west over there like what everyone else does while we can live by our own way of life here without the facist nazis on their crusade for global islam.

[islamvslizards]

No, they are scum. You're clearly biased because they are muslims. And for the record, I detest the BNP just as much.

Scum like them (and the bnp for that matter) have no right in our country. Kicking them out would do everyone a load of good. They can go back to the middle east and vent all their hate for the west over there like what everyone else does while we can live by our own way of life here without the facist nazis on their crusade for global islam.

actually, i think you should learn a little about my beliefs before you make such sweeping ignorant comments.

what hate do they vent?

[turbine]

actually, i think you should learn a little about my beliefs before you make such sweeping ignorant comments.

what hate do they vent?

The hate towards westerners and "non believers".

I'm sure if a Jewish party called for a "Jewish government part" in the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia you wouldn't be so keen on the idea.

Oh and from reading you post history, you're clearly are biased towards islam. Not saying it's a bad thing but just for pointing out your empathy for certain sides.

[islamvslizards]

The hate towards westerners and "non believers".

I'm sure if a Jewish party called for a "Jewish government part" in the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia you wouldn't be so keen on the idea.

Oh and from reading you post history, you're clearly are biased towards islam. Not saying it's a bad thing but just for pointing out your empathy for certain sides.

but is "biased towards islam" the same thing as "biased towards a group i find semi retarded, yet peaceful"?

and please be aware that the core belief of hizb ut tehrir is caliphate for the UMMAH. not the whole world. even then the ummah is too fragmented to support them. do you see how ridiculous their aims are?

and, if you think there is even close to a risk of their attaining any actual democratic seats in government, then you need to understand that even most muslims find them to be pissing in the wind, so who would vote for them?

man i cant believe im defending hizb ut tehrir :rolleyes: if my friends could see me now LOL

[pinkgrapefruit]

We don't we only have to look at a Koran to know Mohammed said convert or kill.

Zzzzzzzz....

[turbine]

but is "biased towards islam" the same thing as "biased towards a group i find semi retarded, yet peaceful"?

and please be aware that the core belief of hizb ut tehrir is caliphate for the UMMAH. not the whole world. even then the ummah is too fragmented to support them. do you see how ridiculous their aims are?

and, if you think there is even close to a risk of their attaining any actual democratic seats in government, then you need to understand that even most muslims find them to be pissing in the wind, so who would vote for them?

man i cant believe im defending hizb ut tehrir :rolleyes: if my friends could see me now LOL

We're retarded? lol

At least if you support a retarded group you get some laughs (unless they do something too far like invade two foreign countries under lies).

[islamvslizards]

We're retarded? lol

At least if you support a retarded group you get some laughs (unless they do something too far like invade two foreign countries under lies).

no no, hizb ut tehrir are retarded, not whatever group you belong too (i am british too you know). what they are striving so valiantly for is simply impossible, and a waste of time, and makes the worlds muslims think theyre a bunch of loonbats. but do i hate them? no. they are a peaceful bunch so i feel no hate for them, each to their own.

[eternal_spirit]

Zzzzzzzz....
That's right stay asleep. Some of us have awakend to the thruth about Islam.

Look into it, don't take my word for it.

[eternal_spirit]

We're retarded? lol

At least if you support a retarded group you get some laughs (unless they do something too far like invade two foreign countries under lies).
Mate just read up about the history of Islam and how many countrys they've invaded in 1500 years.

I'll give you links if you ask.

[islamvslizards]

Mate just read up about the history of Islam and how many countrys they've invaded in 1500 years.

I'll give you links if you ask.

yet in the prophets life he never invaded for personal material gain or to amass an empire?

[deem]

You don't need a red top to tell you that Muslims are taking over Britain and Europe you just need a pair of eyes.

Thats obviously by design, TPTB let them in the country, even allowed them to build moscues, just as they get a bit comfy, TPTB pull their 9/11 & 7/7 stunts and put the blame at the door of the muslim community. Instant paranoia amongst the walking dead population. Divide and conquer, the old tricks are TPTBs forte`.

[picha]

yet in the prophets life he never invaded for personal material gain or to amass an empire?

Did he give the fifth of the war booty he entitled himself to to charity then?

[mr t]

Indeed but HuT do call for a caliphate, it is their core belief.

Its for themselves in thier own lands, round the world.

Some people really need to make thier minds up on this forum, they complain all the time that muslims are being let in, yet when they try to unify to go back to thier own lands, without the interference of western governments, they still complain!:rolleyes:

And still spread lies.

[islamvslizards]

Did he give the fifth of the war booty he entitled himself to to charity then?

i suggest you research what khums actually is before you try and act clever. and the booty was gained from armys that were defeated AFTER they attacked muslims. not only that but the war booty was split also between the orphans, the needy, the people who are far from home and have no means to return and other good causes. before this war booty was not regulated whatsoever. with the prophet came strict regulation and a demand that it be distributed to the poor and those who need it most.

fail.

[mrerisian]

yet in the prophets life he never invaded for personal material gain or to amass an empire?

I reckon he will have done. He was only human after all.

[islamvslizards]

I reckon he will have done. He was only human after all.

the prophets battles are well documented - 1400 is not that long ago that the truth of the matter is lost in antiquity.

the battle of badr (http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/badr.asp)

The winter of 624 AD saw the invasion of Medina by a strong force of Meccans led by Abu Jahl consisting of all army of 1000 strong with 700 camels and 100 horses.

Receiving information about this force, the Holy Prophet (S.A.W) decided to meet the enemy outside Medina at a place called as Badr (200 Miles from Mecca and 80 Miles from Medina). He set out with three hundred and thirteen (313) of his followers. This small force was marshaled out of Medina with the youthful Ali holding the Banner of the Prophet (S.A.W).

the battle of uhud (http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/ohod.asp)

The Qureshites mobilized for the battle of avenge three thousand fighters compared to nine hundred and fifty fighters at the Battle of Badr. This army was financed and its logistics were secured through the gross income of the commercial caravan which was allotted to the battle of avenge. Thus, the community of Quraish, one year after the Battle of Badr, marched towards Medina to annihilate the Muslims, their religion, and their Prophet. The Meccan army arrived at the area of Uhud which is five miles away from Medina. There, the expected battle took place

The Holy Prophet goes out of Madina

The prophet offered Friday prayers and then left Madina for Uhud with an army consisting of one thousand men. He did not take with him persons like Usamah bin Zayd Harith and Abdullah bin Umar on account of their tender age, but two young men named Samurah and Rafe, who were not more than fifteen years of age, participated in the battle, because, in spite of their being young, they were good archers. The Prophet (S.A.W.) reached Uhud in the morning of Saturday, the 7th of Shawwal, 3 AH (January or February 625 AD).

the battle of khandaq (http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/khandaq.asp)

they mobilized four thousand fighters. This army was supplemented with six thousands from Ghatafan, Saleem, and other tribes. Thus, ten thousands strong marched towards Medina.

The Holy Prophet received the news of the imminent invasion a few days before their arrival at Medina. He consulted his companions, and Salman Al-Farisi (the Persian) advised the Prophet to dig a moat around Medina to prevent the invaders from entering it. The Messenger commanded the Muslims (who were about three thousands) to implement the plan. The moat was dug within six days.

the battle of hunayn (http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/hunayn.asp)

The formidable Bedouin tribes, the Hawaazin, the Saqif and various others pastured their flocks on the territories bordering Mecca. Some of them possessed strongly fortified towns like Tayef, and were unwilling to render obedience to the Muslims without resistance. They formed a league with the intention of overwhelming Prophet Muhammad (SAW) before he could make preparations to repulse their attack.

An unmatched army

On that day the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had twelve thousand armed soldiers under his standard, out of them ten thousand were those, who had accompanied him from Madina and had taken part in the conquest of Makkah, and the other two thousand were from amongst Quraysh, who had embraced Islam recently. The command of this group rested with Abu Sufyan. Imam Ali as usual, held the Sacred Standard of the Prophet Muhammad.

so every single time, the prophet and his followers were attacked first, and outnumbered, and it was only by the grace of god that they won the battles.

[mrerisian]

it was only by the grace of god that they won the battles.

Don't be so silly. If God had been involved surely they wouldn't have even had to fight those battles?