Is the NWO actually for our benefit?

[itsallinus]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

[disorder2k8]

yes ive brought this up before, there is a reverse psychology element to everything they do.
with all the hype around 2012, maybe something wont happen at all and it will get us to realise we have to do it ourselves

[grenadene]

yes ive brought this up before, there is a reverse psychology element to everything they do.
with all the hype around 2012, maybe something wont happen at all and it will get us to realise we have to do it ourselves

Indeed and I've also wondered if enough people using 2012 as a focal starting point for the 'alternative NWO' would fulfil the prophecy.

Our response to the hype would actually be what the Mayans predicted?

[gods sun]

bring us together so then there will only be 2 sides n.w.o vs people

people will want there countries back so all of us will get to together and fight the n.w.o/

[disorder2k8]

Yeah what was obama visiting the mayan temple and clock thing for? hint hint.. doesn't the presidency run out in 2012 too?

Maybe there will be something, and we wont be helped.

Maybe there wont be anything at all, except something the elites pushed onto us (virus, fake ufos, whatever)

In either case, if 'something' a life change event, does happen, and we need 'someone' we will put our faith into whoever is doing a good job a the time.. or worse.. who ever takes power over us.

[itsallinus]

Could be, I guess we should not be looking for something to happen in 2012 as it is a distraction or perhaps excuse, not to do anything now. Are we just looking at things from an uniformed point of view and there is a bigger illusion that we're all completely unaware of?!!

[redskywalker]

pick a team, cos in my reality the powers that were are just a sleazy psychotic interbred bunch, who have NEVER done anything to benefit anyone but their selves. Free energy? WHERE? Toxic food EVERYWHERE! Slavery for all recorded time? Evolve this! :p & Catch a grip!

[ex sheep]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

I have thought about this exact same scenario myself, and the thing that throws me straight back into the ground is all the suffering of the innocent people in the world due to unnecessary wars and starvation, surely this is not good for us either watching or being a victim.

[itsallinus]

Yes but if suffering is a quick-step method of spiritual evolution (and also just an illusion) it would make a lot of sense, but being limited in understanding as we are now perhaps we just don't get it?

[redskywalker]

Yes but if suffering is a quick-step method of spiritual evolution (and also just an illusion) it would make a lot of sense, but being limited in understanding as we are now perhaps we just don't get it?

so you believe the old world order to be superior? mental!:confused:

[itsallinus]

No!! lol I am learning not to believe anything where possible. I am only contemplating. I guess you could say, what reason then did our higher selves choose to play this game if we already knew the outcome? Not just the outcome but all the hardship and suffering in between. Perhaps it was just a very bold and brave move on our part which is why we are now getting so much 'galactic' interest (apparently)...

[redskywalker]

No!! lol I am learning not to believe anything where possible. I am only contemplating. I guess you could say, what reason then did our higher selves choose to play this game if we already knew the outcome? Not just the outcome but all the hardship and suffering in between. Perhaps it was just a very bold and brave move on our part which is why we are now getting so much 'galactic' interest (apparently)...

ok, I think I get where you're coming from, but, surely then the answer remains the same?
The us and them era must stop and the weeeee era can start? by boiling the scum in oil :mad::eek::confused: lol ok only joking :rolleyes: no, really but.

[itsallinus]

ok, I think I get where you're coming from, but, surely then the answer remains the same?
The us and them era must stop and the weeeee era can start? by boiling the scum in oil :mad::eek::confused: lol ok only joking :rolleyes: no, really but.

I agree, but then I do also think they may be on a different timeline to us, that we a simultaneous incarnations and they are sequential. If now is the time for our whole galaxy to evolve then they too will evolve, perhaps they will begin to discover love?

[michael christopher]

Yes but if suffering is a quick-step method of spiritual evolution (and also just an illusion) it would make a lot of sense, but being limited in understanding as we are now perhaps we just don't get it?

Trust me, suffering is not an illusion when you're starving to death in the middle of Africa because America has involved itself in the affairs of your country for political reasons.

These arguments don't hold water. What is being done to this planet is immoral and inexcusable. They need to be taken out of power completely and imprisoned for their sins against humanity.

[konnster]

Humanity doesn´t need to evolve it has always been evolved. Humans are not really just 'human', they are all knowing infinite consciousness and just are. Evolution is an aspect of time and time is an illusion. This is what they would make you think and what you dreamed is what they teach mind control victims in the secret project to think in order to make them except the abuse and this is what they will make people think that are awake :)

ps. I´v also had a very similar dream

[whybeherenow]

So the grain of sand enables the oyster to produce the pearl? Bollocks! (I like saying bollocks) Okay I don't know. Is symbiotic the word? But I think 'they' need us far more than we need 'them'. The parasite needs the host.

[lizzy]

pick a team, cos in my reality the powers that were are just a sleazy psychotic interbred bunch, who have NEVER done anything to benefit anyone but their selves. Free energy? WHERE? Toxic food EVERYWHERE! Slavery for all recorded time? Evolve this! :p & Catch a grip!

dam right.;)


. They need to be taken out of power completely and imprisoned for their sins against humanity.

:D

whybeherenow.;)....."The parasite needs the host." ....

I think this was true until recently....now they have robots that can build themselves , fuelled on a carbon based bio-mass........us!!!:mad:

[whybeherenow]

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whybeherenow.;)....."The parasite needs the host." ....

I think this was true until recently....now they ahve robots that can build themselves , fuelled on a carbon based bio-mass........us!!!

Wishful thinking on their part - they would LOVE to replace us rabble with robots, but they just can't get it right. Yet. They will always ultimately fail in their aims, and then start the whole thing over again. The ultimate stupidity is the inability to learn from expereince, or is it that insanity is defined as repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome? Either way, for all their power and control, they are both stupid and insane.

[metacomet]

Eh, this is similar to the idea that Lucifer is a good guy.

By providing opposition to what we consider 'good' - and by exposing us to the concept of 'evil' - the Luciferian Illuminati and the New World Order are teaching us spiritual lessons.

But it's not their doing. They didn't set things up like this. We have the capacity to reason that good can come from evil - but for them, they are just following their nature and could care less whether it is giving us spiritual lessons.

So in a way, yes, the NWO is necessary and versions of it have come and gone many times on this planet,

but the people involved in the NWO do not care about you and are not doing this for your own good. They are doing it because they are connected to extra-dimensional predators that most of us are incapable of admitting even exist. They are like lions - they don't care if they are 'helping' the herd by thinning it out - they just want to eat.

This is all higher design and it goes way above their heads.

[lizzy]

Wishful thinking on their part - they would LOVE to replace us rabble with robots, but they just can't get it right. Yet. They will always ultimately fail in their aims, and then start the whole thing over again. The ultimate stupidity is the inability to learn from expereince, or is it that insanity is defined as repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome? Either way, for all their power and control, they are both stupid and insane.

hiya......I do so hope your right...but YET is th operative word :eek:
I wonder if they got this far advanced in other oens..?.....the eugenics agendas' speeding up.....we are not dying fast enough for them..and they want their pristine world back without us....BUT if those bots take to watching tv we're in with a chance.:D

[lizzy]

[QUOTE=metacomet;1161845]Eh, this is similar to the idea that Lucifer is a good guy.

By providing opposition to what we consider 'good' - and by exposing us to the concept of 'evil' - the Luciferian Illuminati and the New World Order are teaching us spiritual lessons.

But it's not their doing. They didn't set things up like this. We have the capacity to reason that good can come from evil - but for them, they are just following their nature and could care less whether it is giving us spiritual lessons.

QUOTE]

thankyou metacomet.:)

[lordzoma]

I feel compelled to offer a very brief answer to the question posed by this thread.


Is the NWO for the benefit of the spiritual evolution of humanity?

The answer is indefatigably YES, absolutely, 100%.

However it is not 'for our benefit' that they act, it is for their own.


Keep in mind that the orchestrators of the NWO are aliens. They are sequential incarnations, meaning when they die, they go into the astral, can choose the physical form into which they are born again, and when born they remember all of their past lives.

Human beings (in the current day and age the minority, think 30%) are simultaneous incarnators. This means that we live many lives simultaneously with no awareness of each other life over the course of a big block of time on this planet.


SEQUENTIAL comes first. Sequentials CHOOSE to become simultaneous. This means every single human being who is aware of the NWO, at one time in their past, were part of the same groups of aliens that now make up the core of the NWO. (This of course is a generalization. BOB your truther next door neighbor, could have come from a soul group completely unrelated to the Reptilian controlled Orion empire, but you get my drift.)


The entire agenda of the NWO is to find a shortcut. Sequentials are afraid of becoming simultaneous, because the lack of memory is essentially the same as dying. If you can't remember your past it is akin to death.

Sequentials want to know a way to graduate the game (exit the galaxy) without having to go through the process of becoming a simultaneous incarnation. They flock around and manipulate the society that exists on a simultaneous planet in order to find the answers that they need.

This, of course, provides the landscape for the circumstances with which simultaneous incarnations find themselves experiencing in 3d reality. Their agendas and their attempts at control, and political manipulation, are ultimately for OUR benefit, as we gain the spiritual experience which propels us forward far beyond where they are and gives us the keys necessary to graduate.

The most important thing to recognize here, is that by using the word 'evolve' they most certainly do not mean evolve into them. We are the superior spiritual versions of them.

Any alien that attempts to make you look up to them as having answers which somehow you do not, is merely attempting to utilize the knowledge that they have accumulated to dazzle you, and to use their technology to woo you over. The irony here, of course, is that had you have not chosen to become a simultaneous incarnation, you would have access to the very same knowledge and information as they do.

The overriding point of this rant, is to explain that it is not the aliens that are superior in any way whatsoever other than technologically. It is that addiction to technology and control over others that keeps them back and hinders their own spiritual progression. Only by going through what we go through, to be able to see their manipulations from the side of a unique independent NEW view of the universe, can we or any of us grow and evolve into what we are meant to be - graduates of this galaxy so we can go on to places and experiences that do not have all of these damned rules and polarity games attached.


So bottom line - the next time you're at a meeting of the global elite, and they tell you that everything they do is for your benefit. Be sure to let them know that they're much appreciated for everything they've done, but there are no shortcuts, so it sucks for them.

[true]

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[veritasvoice]

Keep in mind that the orchestrators of the NWO are aliens. They are sequential incarnations, meaning when they die, they go into the astral, can choose the physical form into which they are born again, and when born they remember all of their past lives.

Human beings (in the current day and age the minority, think 30%) are simultaneous incarnators. This means that we live many lives simultaneously with no awareness of each other life over the course of a big block of time on this planet.

SEQUENTIAL comes first. Sequentials CHOOSE to become simultaneous. This means every single human being who is aware of the NWO, at one time in their past, were part of the same groups of aliens that now make up the core of the NWO. (This of course is a generalization. BOB your truther next door neighbor, could have come from a soul group completely unrelated to the Reptilian controlled Orion empire, but you get my drift.)

The entire agenda of the NWO is to find a shortcut. Sequentials are afraid of becoming simultaneous, because the lack of memory is essentially the same as dying. If you can't remember your past it is akin to death.

Sequentials want to know a way to graduate the game (exit the galaxy) without having to go through the process of becoming a simultaneous incarnation. They flock around and manipulate the society that exists on a simultaneous planet in order to find the answers that they need.

This, of course, provides the landscape for the circumstances with which simultaneous incarnations find themselves experiencing in 3d reality. Their agendas and their attempts at control, and political manipulation, are ultimately for OUR benefit, as we gain the spiritual experience which propels us forward far beyond where they are and gives us the keys necessary to graduate.

The most important thing to recognize here, is that by using the word 'evolve' they most certainly do not mean evolve into them. We are the superior spiritual versions of them.

Any alien that attempts to make you look up to them as having answers which somehow you do not, is merely attempting to utilize the knowledge that they have accumulated to dazzle you, and to use their technology to woo you over. The irony here, of course, is that had you have not chosen to become a simultaneous incarnation, you would have access to the very same knowledge and information as they do.

The overriding point of this rant, is to explain that it is not the aliens that are superior in any way whatsoever other than technologically. It is that addiction to technology and control over others that keeps them back and hinders their own spiritual progression. Only by going through what we go through, to be able to see their manipulations from the side of a unique independent NEW view of the universe, can we or any of us grow and evolve into what we are meant to be - graduates of this galaxy so we can go on to places and experiences that do not have all of these damned rules and polarity games attached.

So bottom line - the next time you're at a meeting of the global elite, and they tell you that everything they do is for your benefit. Be sure to let them know that they're much appreciated for everything they've done, but there are no shortcuts, so it sucks for them.

Lordzoma, I'm curious - where did you get this information? Is this something that you came across through your own research, or did you get it from another source?

Not disbelieving what you say, just looking for further clarification. :)

[tracker]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?


With out stress and strain , we will never evolve . Its what made species evolve in the 1st place .
With some kind of stress on any species , there is no reason for them to evolve as they would stay the same because there is no reason for them to adapt .

something many of us tend to forget .

:cool:

[lordzoma]

Lordzoma, I'm curious - where did you get this information? Is this something that you came across through your own research, or did you get it from another source?

Not disbelieving what you say, just looking for further clarification. :)

visit trufax.org and check out Matrix V

[cruise4]

Interesting view, lordzoma. I was looking for a summary along the lines of you can't be shown how to play a guitar, you have to experience it. But then realised there is a descriptive word missing from my vocabulary and the Matrix movie and ju-jitsu lessons suggest you can. Neo chose to become Smith... hmmmm.

[rodin]

Is the NWO actually for our benefit?

Depends who you are

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75602

[elton]

If they do want to reduce world population then I'm with them on that one.

[jozen bo]

Yeah what was obama visiting the mayan temple and clock thing for? hint hint.. doesn't the presidency run out in 2012 too?

Maybe there will be something, and we wont be helped.

Maybe there wont be anything at all, except something the elites pushed onto us (virus, fake ufos, whatever)

In either case, if 'something' a life change event, does happen, and we need 'someone' we will put our faith into whoever is doing a good job a the time.. or worse.. who ever takes power over us.

Did Obama really visit the temples...:confused:

[jozen bo]

How can anything that happens not be natural...when everything that happens is produced by nature...

Though, those who are oppressing and making problems in this world on a grander scale are no heroes. They will find themselves in the same hardships and under going the same difficulties as those they have put others through.

THEY ARE NOT OUR ELDERS...WE ARE THEIR ELDERS. It is not the same time for the same people...as time is not absolute. Two people can stand next to each other and the time can be very different for them both, one being in the future when compared to the other. We are in that future and these oppressive people are in the past...they will have to catch up to us and we are paying the price for being them ourselves in the far distant past.

[jozen bo]

visit trufax.org and check out Matrix V

Thanks for your awesome answer and I will check out that site!

[limelady]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

No, I don't think so. We do not need to spiritually evolve (that's pure programming).....we are already pure consciousness, but unfortunately in a very dumbed-down 'matrix' state of being.

What we need to do is remember who we really are, and the PTB/elites are doing everything in their power to make sure we never make that connection, because once we do connect-the-dots, its game, set and match to us....they lose! ;)

[itsallinus]

I feel compelled to offer a very brief answer to the question posed by this thread. (....)

Excellent post! Thankyou lordzoma, that was exactly what I was thinking but you've put it into words better than I could..

[rodin]

If they do want to reduce world population then I'm with them on that one.

Volunteering?

[itsallinus]

No, I don't think so. We do not need to spiritually evolve (that's pure programming).....we are already pure consciousness, but unfortunately in a very dumbed-down 'matrix' state of being.

That's a good point, but if not to evolve then perhaps to remember? If we were free (as an earlier post pointed out) and living in perpetual hapiness then we would need no reason to remember or 'awakening'...?

What we need to do is remember who we really are, and the PTB/elites are doing everything in their power to make sure we never make that connection, because once we do connect-the-dots, its game, set and match to us....they lose! ;)

When you look at how things are unfolding, the more tptb push the agenda the more people wake up to what's going on. They are eating their own tail so in the grand design or scheme of things, they might not have any intention of helping us but they are helping us by pushing us into not wanting their choice reality and looking outside the box..

[drael]

My recollection of previous lives (which may or not be true, but are illustrative nonetheless), having experience of limitless power is rather boring.....Like uber boring. Just imagine living forever able to do anything?

What would you do? Maybe make a few planets and watch them. Hang with freinds. Imagine having the same life for infinity now. Not ideal really is it, especially when infinite knowledge also means you no every outcome before you even act. Like seeing the end of the story as soon as you open the book..

If you can do anything, easily, you just become detached, purposeless. Especially with immortality.

I think people come to 3d dimensions because they want to experience limits, and seperation from others.

I dont think we learn anything from being here, just remember what we choose to forget. Its just a thrill ride for bored immortals.

Occasionally these 3d dimensions get "stuck" because of a control of information, and distraction, like here on earth. This is not centred round the ptb's beleived puporse, to illunimate humanity, but rather around the greed of physical and astral beings for control of what are some of the universes most imaginative and creative creations. Because of the nature of learning, that is it is all self-driven, means that the only way to fix it is from within.

Or im talking out of my arse. There is however many that think along the lines of what you say, and some have even been stalked and harassed with mind games to infensify some kind of dark kundalini. Of course this is what the "insider" as well. (who i dont personally beleive in)

I personally think this is one of the main goals of the ptb. However I dont think they have the spiritual refinement or detachment and discipline to apply these "lessons" carefully and effectively, along with more positive re-inforcements and information. So it ends up being more of a recruiting technique.

Its one of those myths of duality, that one can "help" someone spiritually. You cant. All spiritual work is self recongised, self-gained, seperate even from the events your life. From the egyptian book of the dead: "All help, is self-help"

[whiterain]

Eh, this is similar to the idea that Lucifer is a good guy.

By providing opposition to what we consider 'good' - and by exposing us to the concept of 'evil' - the Luciferian Illuminati and the New World Order are teaching us spiritual lessons.

But it's not their doing. They didn't set things up like this. We have the capacity to reason that good can come from evil - but for them, they are just following their nature and could care less whether it is giving us spiritual lessons.

So in a way, yes, the NWO is necessary and versions of it have come and gone many times on this planet,

but the people involved in the NWO do not care about you and are not doing this for your own good. They are doing it because they are connected to extra-dimensional predators that most of us are incapable of admitting even exist. They are like lions - they don't care if they are 'helping' the herd by thinning it out - they just want to eat.

This is all higher design and it goes way above their heads.

i agree. its not a conscious thing for them at all. they dont sit around working out ways to fuck us which will allow us to develop, it just happens on a higher level. i guess its a bit like scientific laws. every action having equal and opposite reactions and all. im pretty sure we all chose to be involved, which may sound completely ridiculous now considering the hardship people go through here, but i really think it will be far more than worth it eventually

[sade]

Drael, what do you mean with dark Kundalini?
The abuse of the powers that Kundalini grants you?

I personally don't believe this "we already know everything" stuff, because if this was so...I mean, just think about it. We obviously don't.
You learned about the Matrix, You learned about spiritual things and so on. You readed, researched and learned. Maybe You knew and forgot,
which is a theory I believe in, but You had to do stuff to remember the things you once knew. So no, we don't "know it all." Obviously.

I also have past life memories and I know that I was somewhere for about (if we think about this in human years)
500 years without reincarnating back here. Even though I don't know yet why I chose to reincarnate,
I believe that we DO choose to come back. Either because we get bored, have a mission or etc.
Reincarnation is not some trap if you view it like Drael and I do, as an example.
You get bored. Infinite consciousness gets bored. Eternal life GETS boring.

Is the Elite good? On a day when Im feeling all "rainbows and bunnies" I think yes, but most of the time it's a NO.
It's difficult to think they are good since they are poisoning us with aspartame and fluoride. Do they want us to look at what we eat?
Well, they have managed to do that, certainly, but aren't their ways a bit too extreme to make us "wake up?"

In the end I believe that it's all about power and money for them,
since they are sad little individuals who really just need a warm hug and some apple-pie. :/

[whiterain]

No, I don't think so. We do not need to spiritually evolve (that's pure programming).....we are already pure consciousness, but unfortunately in a very dumbed-down 'matrix' state of being.

What we need to do is remember who we really are, and the PTB/elites are doing everything in their power to make sure we never make that connection, because once we do connect-the-dots, its game, set and match to us....they lose! ;)

yes but its the realisation that we are pure consciousness that is our evolution

[drael]

Drael, what do you mean with dark Kundalini?
The abuse of the powers that Kundalini grants you?

No i was refering to the process with which the ptb recruit "illuminated" members that ive come across in some forum members and writings. Its like a kundalini process, but fuelled on mistrust and the idea of domination and strength. So its sorta a madness too. Its akin to a kind of mind-f**k harrassment, with people following you, calling you etc, makes you question whats real, and makes open to their teachings.

I personally don't believe this "we already know everything" stuff, because if this was so...I mean, just think about it. We obviously don't.
You learned about the Matrix, You learned about spiritual things and so on.


But much of all of that stuff, the basis of the matrix films etc, came from someone sitting on a hill, staring into a bowl of water or just going about their day. Not from a book. All those books are attempts to re-capture what is beyond words: personal experience of the divine.

Even eistein got relativity from imagining it :P

Stuff you need to read for is just things like how to make a toaster work , lol. All the deep stuff comes from not-thinking obout things, letting go of preconception. Even if you work actively on it, like a monk does, it still happens sometimes with no work. Kundalini and the mystic experience sprung on me and I dont even meditate. Im no master, but i really did nothing physical to get those doors open, just kinda let go of my preconceptions about life. I guess that in itself is hard, and kundalini is taxing physically and mentally no doubt..

[curtaincat]

Answering 'drael' here, obviously i havent mastered the Infinate Being stuff yet, or even the multi quote function,

here is the quote from 'drael' :

""Just imagine living forever able to do anything?

What would you do? Maybe make a few planets and watch them. Hang with freinds. Imagine having the same life for infinity now. Not ideal really is it, especially when infinite knowledge also means you no every outcome before you even act. Like seeing the end of the story as soon as you open the book..

If you can do anything, easily, you just become detached, purposeless. Especially with immortality.""

I would love being able to do anything. If I can do anything, then i can read a book and choose not to know the ending. I would be able to make everyone peaceful. You might choose to become detached, and purposeless. That would be your choice.
YOU can choose not to know every outcome.

Anyway, since time is meant not to exist, you would never , ever , be bored.

Sounds like a great life to me, because you could choose what you want, and why on earth/universe/wherever... could it ever get boring , if you can do what you want, it could never get boring. Being 'bored' to me, is being forced to do what i dont want.

If i could do what i want, then, wowee, everyone would be happy and free and getting along.

Maybe you are limiting your thoughts.... how could a total free eternity be boring.... it would always be more and more and more things to experience, and create, and love.

well, that is just my point of view. ( yours just sounded so limited). maybe expand your views? that would be uber lovely :cool:

[decim]

All eyes in the same head.

[sade]

No i was refering to the process with which the ptb recruit "illuminated" members that ive come across in some forum members and writings. Its like a kundalini process, but fuelled on mistrust and the idea of domination and strength. So its sorta a madness too. Its akin to a kind of mind-f**k harrassment, with people following you, calling you etc, *makes you question whats real, and makes open to their teachings.

Someone that is illuminated for real and knows what's going on here and "out there", which is the biggest illusion of all,
would never join, which is a great thing for the rest of us. You know this too, but I doubt they do. Haha.

*Oh so true and so dangerous as well.
Once the door is open and you realise one thing is not true, you start doubting everything...Which is a good thing,
but usually it doesn't stop there. When doubt steps in, even the things that are true become completely obscured by the pure nonsense/bollocks. :(


Stuff you need to read for is just things like how to make a toaster work , lol.
All the deep stuff comes from not-thinking obout things, letting go of preconception.

I wonder how many thought to themselves; "Hmm, I wonder if the world is a hologram" or "Hmm, I wonder if reptilians are in control."
If one 'thought' about this by themselves, then great. Awesome brain you got there, but the rest of us tend to learn this stuff from books or drugs.
So most do get their knowledge from "outside" sources, which is what Im trying to say with the "you don't know it all." You learn by reading, living and etc.

Even if you work actively on it, like a monk does, it still happens sometimes with no work. Kundalini and the mystic experience sprung on me and I dont even meditate. Im no master, but i really did nothing physical to get those doors open, just kinda let go of my preconceptions about life. I guess that in itself is hard, and kundalini is taxing physically and mentally no doubt..

I think this Kundalini awakening on people who have done no meditation is either related to a past life where you had already managed to awaken it,
or had almost gotten there and so you continue in this lifetime. My Kundalini awakening happened a few years ago and I got really, really sick physically.
Only in the past 2 years or so have I been going through the spiritual symptoms, which sometimes get a bit creepy.
It's indeed taxing in every possible way and not in anyway funny, at least at the moment.

[metacomet]

If they do want to reduce world population then I'm with them on that one.

*shrug* You see this? This is why the NWO is good for us. It helps us to pinpoint those who would willingly betray the rest of our species in order to feed on the table scraps of the NWO.

Pitiful specimens.

[nambo]

It is for spiritual advancement, the elites though, not ours, and its not a Christian Spiritualaity, but Satanic, just as Satan told Adam he could be "Like God.

As for the NWO being a good thing, I bet half the people on this board will consider it a good thing when it comes, because its going to solve all the horrible problems that the arcitects of the NWO create to make us want a NWO, "Order out of Choas".

This is what the Bible book of Revelation says about how people will react to it,

And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life

Reminds me of the conversation I had with a Peeress when I asked her what the House of Lords thought about Gordon Browns "New World Order", she said the House of Lords think it a good idea then procceeded to give examples of all the wars there would no longer be with a One World Government, I should have asked her what happens if the person heading this government has a name like Adolf Hitler, whos going to stop him then?

[cleft_asunder]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

All that is happening is God's will.

[limelady]

yes but its the realisation that we are pure consciousness that is our evolution

I see it more as we shed programming (that we inherit the day we arrive here in this limited form) until the day we we've shed enough programming and broken through the 'fog' enough to reveal to ourselves who we really are. So to me its not about evolution (we are de-evolved just by having to exist in this reality), its ALL about shedding the constructs of this reality until we reach the point of revelation and connect again with our ultimate potential.

How did we get to this 'de-evolved' state of being in this reality? I don't know the answers to this for sure, but the pure consciousness part of me I am still connected to understands this reality (and its constraints) is little more than a prison for the herded (the karmic treadmill/recycle machine), and we have to make a break for it.

[bendoon]

It is for spiritual advancement, the elites though, not ours, and its not a Christian Spiritualaity, but Satanic, just as Satan told Adam he could be "Like God.

As for the NWO being a good thing, I bet half the people on this board will consider it a good thing when it comes, because its going to solve all the horrible problems that the arcitects of the NWO create to make us want a NWO, "Order out of Choas".

This is what the Bible book of Revelation says about how people will react to it,

And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

And authority was given him over every tribe,[d] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life

Reminds me of the conversation I had with a Peeress when I asked her what the House of Lords thought about Gordon Browns "New World Order", she said the House of Lords think it a good idea then procceeded to give examples of all the wars there would no longer be with a One World Government, I should have asked her what happens if the person heading this government has a name like Adolf Hitler, whos going to stop him then?

Good post ;)

[tb303]

This place is a penal colony, a lunatic asylum, but also a school playground with bullies teaching us about our victim mentality so that at some point we don't have to do penal colonies, lunatic asylums and school playgrounds anymore.

Neat, eh?

[ex sheep]

If they do want to reduce world population then I'm with them on that one.
Wow then you must be first in the queue, let me be the first to shake your hand, your an idiot.

[bendoon]

This place is a penal colony, a lunatic asylum, but also a school playground with bullies teaching us about our victim mentality so that at some point we don't have to do penal colonies, lunatic asylums and school playgrounds anymore.

Neat, eh?

We get to go to secondary school next, its a bit more grown up, then after that a few thousand years at UNI before we are ready for the real world. The bright students get fast tracked through the system, some of us have to do repeat years.

[godgoo]

Humanity doesn´t need to evolve it has always been evolved. Humans are not really just 'human', they are all knowing infinite consciousnessconsciousness that craves extremity, this is why technology is our big spiritual awakening. We have started to evolve in a way that far exceeds natures. Our technology will prolong our lives give us access to other places of physical being. This is another misconception; the paranormal is at hand right now with us. Heaven is at hand. This is the only place of importance that we exist in right now.

[godgoo]

Wow then you must be first in the queue, let me be the first to shake your hand, your an idiot.The population will not decrease it will explode :) We will radiate throughout the solar system.

[tb303]

We get to go to secondary school next, its a bit more grown up, then after that a few thousand years at UNI before we are ready for the real world. The bright students get fast tracked through the system, some of us have to do repeat years.

Evening classes are pretty cool!

[drael]

I would love being able to do anything. If I can do anything, then i can read a book and choose not to know the ending.


That sounds quite alot like 3d life, no? An involving story, with unknown ending?

I would be able to make everyone peaceful.


That limits everyone elses freedom. They may choose to be grumpy, or ambivilant. Power doesnt trump free-will, everyone can always choose.

Anyway, since time is meant not to exist, you would never , ever , be bored.


Memories, knowledge and conciousness itself only exist in the illusion of time. How could one "think", or "act" when these are temporal concepts?

Outside of time, there is no "act" or "think", or "feel". Hence, a being cannot "exist" in any traditional sense without the illusion of time IE being is an illusion also.


Sounds like a great life to me, because you could choose what you want, and why on earth/universe/wherever... could it ever get boring , if you can do what you want, it could never get boring. Being 'bored' to me, is being forced to do what i dont want.


Joy comes from the meaning, purpose, or story of something. Constantly creating your own stories is purposeless. Look at say, video games. They give video games a plot, and a challenge, so one has the satisfation of beating the game. Infinite power leaves no challenge, and no plot to work through. Its limitation, like we experience on earth that is both hard and plot driven - like a computer game is. Just imagine a computer game where you have all the cheats and there is no plot-line to work through. Like a one-track racing game, that you always win (or first place equal with everyone else). You need limits to give challenge, and a goal.

So most do get their knowledge from "outside" sources, which is what Im trying to say with the "you don't know it all." You learn by reading, living and etc.


But this is not the original source of any of those things, which was my only point. The books are a secondary source of information, the true source of information is the self.

My Kundalini awakening happened a few years ago and I got really, really sick physically.
Only in the past 2 years or so have I been going through the spiritual symptoms, which sometimes get a bit creepy.
It's indeed taxing in every possible way and not in anyway funny, at least at the moment.


If your in kundalini, you should find this website very helpful:

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=KundaliniPracticeSkillsList

[sade]

But this is not the original source of any of those things, which was my only point.
The books are a secondary source of information, the true source of information is the self.

If your in kundalini, you should find this website very helpful:

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=KundaliniPracticeSkillsList

I think we're talking about the same thing,
but Im just expressing it in another way..:p

And thanks for the website, that's one I hadn't found yet!

[itsallinus]

consciousness that craves extremity, this is why technology is our big spiritual awakening. We have started to evolve in a way that far exceeds natures. Our technology will prolong our lives give us access to other places of physical being. This is another misconception; the paranormal is at hand right now with us. Heaven is at hand. This is the only place of importance that we exist in right now.

Yep, good point. While it may seem like new technology can benefit us and improve our lives/us it is nothing more than a small distraction, a belief system, kids stuff really... anyway, my pc is always fucking up, the only good that's come out of technology for me, is the kettle (for tea) and my deck's and the stuff that's used to make the tunes.....oh and kick arse p.a. systems!!

"Heaven is at hand. This is the only place of importance that we exist in right now."

Yes we are already in paradise, subliminal mind control prevents us from perceiving it.

[romas]

Evolution is a bloody business in general, NWO is natural progression of a bloody evolution, it reflects who we all are, it's led by people from random families, just like me and you so is illuminati and other groups who are also fighting amongthemselves like various religious orders.

Predators are always smarter, we are the smartest mammalian predators, the shit we do is not a huge surprise imo. Because we do not have predator who would keep us in line, we do it to ourselves.

[romas]

Trust me, suffering is not an illusion when you're starving to death in the middle of Africa because America has involved itself in the affairs of your country for political reasons.

These arguments don't hold water. What is being done to this planet is immoral and inexcusable. They need to be taken out of power completely and imprisoned for their sins against humanity.



Yes, but the question is if there was an African empire, would they do the same to "America"

As a minority you should understand better than most that generalization leads nowhere, it's not "Americans" it's not "whites" it's "huemans", black, red, yellow or white, all are corruptible.

[romas]

NO

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Rothschild_family_tree.png

note the --> denotes marriage of cousins, count them




Is there a proper version somewhere? I can't read anything in there :S

[romas]

*shrug* You see this? This is why the NWO is good for us. It helps us to pinpoint those who would willingly betray the rest of our species in order to feed on the table scraps of the NWO.

Pitiful specimens.



Just because NWO seems a negative force from ones perspective, does not mean there is nothing to learn from them. Being conscious of rest of our animal brothers is wise.

[fromthatshow]

I've wondered this too.

The first reason is that I've never been a nationalist. I've always thought we should be as one world, which is what they want to do, just doesn't seem to be with our best intentions at heart.

Second reason being that I don't believe anything happens to us without our consent. TPTB are our just the darkest part of our selves.

[branjo]

To be honest with regards to the NWO I just want them to get on with it, I really have no inclination to do what I am told by either side if I don't personally agree with it, the truth movement to me in a general way is like scared little rabbits that will believe anything, and the more outrageous things they believe the further away they get from believing in themselves and I think that's all we have ever needed to do.

Why is it no matter what the movement good or bad, someone always has to appear the like a leader, that's probably the thing we need to learn. To tell you the truth if the NWO fell on its ass tomorrow I don't think I could stomach seeing someone like Alex Jones with his arms held high claiming all the glory, and I feckin know he would be reveling in it.

Its always these self appointed "leaders" that get us into the shit every single time, maybe no matter what the cause we should all just stop following everyone, every single living soul on this planet if sat down and was shown something right and something wrong would be able to tell them apart, until someone starts to lie, but no one gets lied to that doesn't already want the answer given to them for not even thinking for themselves.

The only truth we need to spread is for people to live their life as they see fit and as long as its right with nature and their idea of the divine in their own understanding, then what else can you really do, someone is always going to be trying to force their beliefs down other peoples throats and someone is always not going to take it. Its just laying out more trouble like a conveyor belt of conflict, all heading our way and all our own doing.
Ahh maybe I'm just fed up lately, pay no attention to me.

[metacomet]

To tell you the truth if the NWO fell on its ass tomorrow I don't think I could stomach seeing someone like Alex Jones with his arms held high claiming all the glory, and I feckin know he would be reveling in it.

That is some sour fucking grapes right there, man.

You don't want anything good to happen because you think someone will claim responsibility for it, or god forbid, be given credit for what they did to make it happen?

Sour fuckin grapes.

The only truth we need to spread is for people to live their life as they see fit and as long as its right with nature and their idea of the divine in their own understanding, then what else can you really do

Yeah but, the majority of people in western society at this moment have absolutely no connection with or understanding of the divine or who they are as human beings. This is why people like Alex Jones need to bark at them and tell them to go outside and watch the birds sometimes instead of watching TV, and he does that too!

Not sure why I'm hinging on Alex here, but you get what I'm saying. People do need leaders, I'm sorry.


Ahh maybe I'm just fed up lately, pay no attention to me.

Maybe we should pay attention to you and maybe being fed up has prepared you to become a leader, eh?

That's what will hurt the NWO the most. Leaders like us, the people on this message board.

[branjo]

That is some sour fucking grapes right there, man.

You don't want anything good to happen because you think someone will claim responsibility for it, or god forbid, be given credit for what they did to make it happen?

Sour fuckin grapes.

Actually you took that wrong, whether or not the nwo fell I wouldn't like to see it spoiled by a false little prick like Jones cause that's all he is, a liar and a profiteer of the movement. It angers me that he's even considered in the movement, I just think we could all do without him whatever happens. He's not raising awareness all he is raising is fear and anxiety for his own ends. The man is a red,white and blue radio evangelist ffs, gives nothing away, but sells it all at a very high price, the more out there the piece of paper in front of him the more ratings and attention he gets from it, him spouting something that actually matters is a fluke not the driving intention.

We are all repeaters to some degree or another but this man is making an insane amount of money out of doing it, and no one questions it, in fact they defend him tooth and nail for it. Every single thing that I heard Jones say that didn't come from a completely different source has never been proven, its all up for debate or interpretation. "Fema camps" truth is we still don't know what they are for sure, Plastic Fema boxes truth is we still don't know, but that doesn't stop AJ throwing in the worst case scenarios for both, and through this blind panic we have an influx of people purposefully making hoax videos jsut to see how many people buy them. Now we can't sort the truth from the crap and its due to people just like Alex Jones for not researching anything until its already out of his mouth.

I mean I might have the odd disagreement with what Icke says too, but at least David Icke writes books and talks endlessly about the power of love and the inner/higher self, to balance the equation between things, he is trying to "lift" awareness to something past the level of any kind control and he has my respect for that, but what does Jones ever say?, "They are going to try and kill you", "They are going to poison you", "They hate you", "Your nothing to them", and a lot of the "You need to wake up people" line. There are many ways in which to do good but this man employs none of them, he is building resentment block by block. He will interrupt anyone no matter how important it is they are saying and interject a complete load of shit just to make it sound like its coming from him too. There is no way he could get credit for peace, no way in hell, because he has never once talked about peace as far as I have heard, all he talks about is conflict and getting on the streets armed in the 2nd amendment way in some yankee doodle dandy parade, and we all know what will happen if that happens don't we, martial freaking law, the one thing the government has been trying to provoke for a while now which would tie up all the loose ends, and Jones is a catalyst for just that.

Now I don't think that I said "I don't want anything good to happen at all and I'd rather nothing happen if it meant Jones getting praised", you kinda put your own slant on that one there, sorry dude.

Its not victory we are after, well I'm not, what about you?, do you want people running around saying "We won! We won!" just like after WWII and then behind closed doors people are saying "You won nothing that we didn't want you to win", just like in WWII. There is no winning because there should be no conflict, that much the world should have surely learned by now.

No I'm sorry, if that is the truth movement than you can leave me out of it, I used to think that revenge on people in positions of power would be satisfying, but now I understand that it is the dumbest thing to think let alone do, because all it does is prolong everything, we don't need prolonging we need it nipped in the bud. From my own point of view the longer we keep the NWO from happening the longer it will be on our horizons and the bigger chance that it will be our kids that have to deal with it, because they will keep postponing it and postponing it until they see another opportunity for it, and they are masters at waiting. So I say bring it on ASAP and let it crumble naturally to shit because "it will", and then lets be done with it, so that by the time my son grows up he will know no more about it than what he reads in a book about it.

The last people that need to "wake up" is the people of the world they are not sheeple or idiots, everyone on this planet has their breaking point when they say enough is enough so let them reach that conclusion naturally.

The PTB are the ones who need to wake up and fast or they will take us all with them in some sort of sacrifice to thin air that they think is almighty god or equivalent. They are the ones with their heads up their ass, not the everyday person, the everyday person can and will adapt to anything, and this is our greatest strength this is why they hate us, because we can endure anything and when they finally get that into their thick skulls then they too will wake up and realize they couldn't be more on the loosing side if they meant it. A fight is won not by the punch you can throw but by the punch you can take, and if we can still be standing without throwing one punch, then we can do absolutely anything without guilt following us around.

I am fed up, because I sit here and I read as much as I can and everyday more and more different theories about the same damn things just keep coming up, I used to be interested in most of them but now I am slowly dawning on the idea that it doesn't matter what we, you or I try to do for other people, if its not there time to wonder about things then its simply not their time, to force them to think about things is another part of the problem.

You can't force people to wake up or be free anymore than you can force the horse to drink the water. They will react when its time for them to react, we can't prepare for a situation when we don't have any knowledge of what it will be. And people are not the dumbed down sheep we are led to believe, they all are conscious thinking beings with feelings and intelligence, when we pigeon hole them we also do it to ourselves. Every speaker or leader see's themselves as a shepherd and all shepherds need sheep, so either we are all sheep, every last one of us or we should have the respect to not even think of our fellow humans in the same degrading manner as the people that term themselves "elite" when all they are is just the greediest among us.

I have to say I'm more just venting here, I'm not aiming this at you personally Metacomet, your a good guy with a good head on your shoulders I do know that and none of what I wrote hear would be a surprise to you. I have just been watching a lot of Jones lately just to see what it is he is doing and I just can't stomach how he is steering people up a dead end, not only because of his personality but also of his crooked nature too. I looked at his site and he is "merchandising" the truth movement for gods sake, I mean its one thing to make a buck on the side but it seems to be this is what is driving him.

I find him to be lower than low and in all honesty if he were declared a public hero I would drop my head and just move away somewhere quiet.

I don't want someone that makes one person aware in fear while turning 2 away in anger, I want someone who can show anyone who listens what its like to be a human being first and foremost, and you have to admit the "truth" movement has a huge streak of meanness to it lately, even amongst people who are fundamentally committed to be on the same side.

The masses do not need someone out in front, we shouldn't project that we need anyone in front of us talking for us, if we do that then they know if they murder or ridicule that person they murder or ridicule a part of the movement and no one wants to be the next "leader". The whole movement is worth more than any one man or woman, idols are the the greatest danger to truth as far as I can see. No one should have that kind of power over anyone's voice, leaders are why we are in the mess we are in, they have never led us by knowledge they have only led us by circumstance, breeding or position.

And again dude, I am not yelling at you personally I am yelling just as much at myself as I am the rest of the world..lol.

[itsallinus]

Perhaps we need to do the 'V for Vendetta' thing, everyone of us wear masks and stand united? Won't happen but it's a good idea!

I agree that AJ is spreading fear as much as info, which is not good!

[romas]

We're just going to be synthesis for the new aeon, well those who make through atleast.

[itsallinus]

This thread has run it's course so no need for any replies, I just wish to kindly say thank you all for your input on my first thread, it's been a joy to read, you guys are f**kin' fantastic :D, there I said it, thought I shouldn't as I don't want to come across as though I am seeking attention, that's not in my nature (well ok it is just as everything is......... oh shut up!:p), I just decided that it's better to say what you feel rather than what you think!!

I'll say it one more time because I know your all very special..

Your Fantastic!!

[chris_com283]

It may be for our benefit, but as a sort of bi-product of their agenda. It's like this; a guy kills a womans only child, but she learns a lesson from this. She learns forgiveness, which is good. Though the killer didn't kill the child to teach her forgiveness, he done it because he's a sick bastard. This is at least how I view it. Every misfortune is one of life's lessons.

Though there is the opinion of Michael Sharp that this is the Elite's karmic path. They are here to awaken us spiritually, though they have to awareness of this and are playing out the agenda for their own purposes. Kind of reminds me of 'Saw'. I've just finished watching 'Saw IV', very bloody flim.:eek:

[romas]

Elites are us, it's just a role to play out.

[suicidal_martyr]

That dream makes sense as much as I don't know what to believe but another part of me says that isn't the case because how can all the evil they have contributed to and commited be benefitting factor in our evolving? Are we all suppose to be killed off and leave so many here so they can live better? Then it's them who evolved not us, and I certainly don't want to be reincarnated and trapped in a world like this nor be in their (elite) family!!! We can't evolve by fear can we? My only concern is children, I don't want them being harmed!

[suicidal_martyr]

I have thought about this exact same scenario myself, and the thing that throws me straight back into the ground is all the suffering of the innocent people in the world due to unnecessary wars and starvation, surely this is not good for us either watching or being a victim.

I know, plus peoples true will should be judged properly. If we are killed off, it's the money loving fools that do it. By working for the companies manufacturing poison vaccines and diseases. Companies and laws that allow toxic food. People working for military/police to help NWO and detain or kill people, they are all guilty. Why should they evolve. I don't understand, it's as if God is setting back eating popcorn and watching a movie and we are the cast. If I was God I would of intervened long ago and stopped this craziness.

[itsallinus]

I know, plus peoples true will should be judged properly. If we are killed off, it's the money loving fools that do it. By working for the companies manufacturing poison vaccines and diseases. Companies and laws that allow toxic food. People working for military/police to help NWO and detain or kill people, they are all guilty. Why should they evolve. I don't understand, it's as if God is setting back eating popcorn and watching a movie and we are the cast. If I was God I would of intervened long ago and stopped this craziness.

Anything good or bad that happens to us is just an experience. Outside the matrix there is no polarities so it does not matter. We learn a lot more from pain and hardship/suffering than we do from living in bliss. In fact, if we were all living in perfect harmony and a paradise state we would not feel the need to move on, to progress and we certainly would not feel the need to look within and rise above the reality at seek out our spirituality.

Those that are pro-nwo are not trying to help, they have their own reasons/desires but it is through their actions that we are spiritually advancing quicker than we would otherwise.

Our understanding of love or rather ignorance in accepting the msm version of what love is, still needs a lot of work imo.

LOVE = EVOL = EVOLVE = To love is to evolve.

[oneup]

Indirectly the NWO is for our benefit. Obstacles are there to be overcome, so we can grow stronger :)
I don't think that is their intention however.

[suicidal_martyr]

Anything good or bad that happens to us is just an experience. Outside the matrix there is no polarities so it does not matter. We learn a lot more from pain and hardship/suffering than we do from living in bliss. In fact, if we were all living in perfect harmony and a paradise state we would not feel the need to move on, to progress and we certainly would not feel the need to look within and rise above the reality at seek out our spirituality.

Those that are pro-nwo are not trying to help, they have their own reasons/desires but it is through their actions that we are spiritually advancing quicker than we would otherwise.

Our understanding of love or rather ignorance in accepting the msm version of what love is, still needs a lot of work imo.

LOVE = EVOL = EVOLVE = To love is to evolve.

I just don't see how going from homo-sapien to robo-sapien is in anyway contributing to our spiritual evolving. If you study mesopotamian text and better yet the Popol Vuh, you will learn the real rulers goal is to create a perfect, emotionless, mindless organic robot. Now maybe we may be resisting this, maybe that's what the NWO is truly about. To create a one world system, sort of like it was back during the story of the tower of babel when we mysteriously was confused and didn't speak the same, as mentioned in Mesopotamian text and the Popol Vuh, so that we might form a global army to fight these so called "gods", and they keep hush because they know it will all crumble. A lot of these old writings have similarities in practically every religion. If it is indeed evolving then it is only to the manipulators, decievers and leader's benefits. I certainly don't wish to reincarnate when the world is shaped how they made it. I'm almost convinced to avoid the light and that it is a reptilian/wannabe "god" deception, too, so I will attempt to flee. Humans were already evolved before, we could see far before and they didn't want us being that smart. They made it to where we can't "see far". It's reversing basically. I mean how can we be evolving spiritually(if that truly is the case) if we were already in that state that we are trying to reach at one point in time already?
Anyways, what's strange about the Popul Vuh writings is that it mentions a serpent "god" who helped people, he wasn't bad. I forgot the name but he is the same as the Quetzelcoatl character, I think I spelled that right.
I respect your point of view but I disagree with the whole roage.com point you are making. I read that too. IMO, www.roage.com is a clever deception, just doesn't feel right. It pretty much reverts you back down to the dumbed down stage we are trying to escape by suggesting you forget all that is going on and trust in a "god" and take it as a "learning experience". What are we learning by people dying, pain, and sorrow and being ruled by fascist scum bags? If we are trying to learn, if this is a learning place why are we in seperate dimensions to do it? Why the physical? We can't just learn whatever it is we are supposed to be learning there/outside of matrix, or whatever? The way I see it is we're in a prison system, this dimension and the goal is to argue our way out of it which is like trying to argue your way out of a prison which is impossible, no get out jail free cards in this world. The question is, who is the one we talk to if we were to attempt a negotiation of our freedom from spiritual bondage?

[freedom1st]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?


Yes, I have also wondered about this - separating the wheat from the chaff (is that how it's spelt?). Anyway, it would make sense to do this in order to accelerate evolution, ie. those that have figured it out/woken up are more evolved and should therefore take the human race forward. Shame about the sheeple but if evolution is important then this is a clever way of getting us to evolve more and quickly. Or it could just be that there are evil bastards who don't care if we evolve, they just happen to think they are superior and that we are no better than cattle. Who knows, but I take your point and I think it makes sense.

[converger]

Nwo
1-new world order
or
2-no way out

[lyrag]

No!! lol I am learning not to believe anything where possible. I am only contemplating. I guess you could say, what reason then did our higher selves choose to play this game if we already knew the outcome? Not just the outcome but all the hardship and suffering in between. Perhaps it was just a very bold and brave move on our part which is why we are now getting so much 'galactic' interest (apparently)...

I like your thinking!

[freeyourmind85]

pick a team, cos in my reality the powers that were are just a sleazy psychotic interbred bunch, who have NEVER done anything to benefit anyone but their selves. Free energy? WHERE? Toxic food EVERYWHERE! Slavery for all recorded time? Evolve this! :p & Catch a grip!

Yup, agree totally!

[freeyourmind85]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

If I had that dream I would be worried. I definitely wouldn't believe what they were telling me. That's exactly what they want you to think, that they're really helping you/us. It's just another one of their tactics, and if I'm honest I wouldn't believe a word of it. Seriously, I'd take it with a pinch of salt and try and derive the real meaning from it.
Hey, they might be telling you the truth, who knows for sure 100%? I know from all the evidence I've picked up over the last few years that I wouldn't be taking their word for anything.

Only you know what to believe, the very fibre of your being knows already. It's just getting it out there ;)

[rowan22]

I think denial is one of the most predictable responses human beings have in relation to horrifying truth. When you are faced with something which threatens the stability of the mind it reacts by telling itself that it must be alright and they are probably helping us really. It's the same terrible tendency the Nazis deliberately exploited in the death camps.

When prisoners arrived at Auschwitz they were given a ticket in receipt for their luggage, (so they could collect it later). The Germans understood that in the face of catastrophic reality if you give desperate people a shred of hope they will cling to it...sick but true.

These bastards are out to enslave us. They probably do think we will be much happier kept like domesticated animals. I say I am no fuckin herd animal AND I AM NOT A NUMBER I AM A HUMAN BEING AND I DEMAND TO BE FREE!

[itsallinus]

What I was questioning has nothing to do with denial, I was trying to interpret the only dream I have ever had like that (that did not feel like it was mine at all) and look at it from the perspective of the higher self knowingly incarnating us into this world. That the nwo is part of the end game scenario and we (HS) already knew this. That the nwo would, as it comes to fruition, waken more and more people up which would then lead those people onto the spiritual awakening needed for us to spiral out of the game/ascend.

[rowan22]

What I was questioning has nothing to do with denial, I was trying to interpret the only dream I have ever had like that (that did not feel like it was mine at all) and look at it from the perspective of the higher self knowingly incarnating us into this world. That the nwo is part of the end game scenario and we (HS) already knew this. That the nwo would, as it comes to fruition, waken more and more people up which would then lead those people onto the spiritual awakening needed for us to spiral out of the game/ascend.

It has everything to do with denial. Since denial is a commonly observed Psychological human phenomena and what you describe just isn't. What you are talking about is all a matter of subjective speculation. Higher self? what is this? What one person thinks of as a higher self another person thinks is pure delusion.

If spirit exists it is not a different distinct reality. It is continuous with our reality and the shape form and structure of our psyche is merely an extension of this way of being in the natural world.

Our emotions don’t cease to be real because we are asleep do they? They may convey a symbolic meaning which is not immediately obvious to our understanding, but it is decipherable if you take the time to learn to understand it isn't it?

"Higher consciousness" is to a large degree dependent upon our remaining grounded in the reality of this world, and extending its clarity to include what is referred to as mystical but in actual fact is a shift of being that extends where we are, to where we are going.

[zero1]

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/d30-6/inauguration-protest-corporations.jpg

[rowan22]

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/d30-6/inauguration-protest-corporations.jpg


LOL Yes Only for purposes of tax usurping democratic accountability.

[itsallinus]

It has everything to do with denial. Since denial is a commonly observed Psychological human phenomena and what you describe just isn't. What you are talking about is all a matter of subjective speculation. Higher self? what is this? What one person thinks of as a higher self another person thinks is pure delusion.

If spirit exists it is not a different distinct reality. It is continuous with our reality and the shape form and structure of our psyche is merely an extension of this way of being in the natural world.

Our emotions don’t cease to be real because we are asleep do they? They may convey a symbolic meaning which is not immediately obvious to our understanding, but it is decipherable if you take the time to learn to understand it isn't it?

"Higher consciousness" is to a large degree dependent upon our remaining grounded in the reality of this world, and extending its clarity to include what is referred to as mystical but in actual fact is a shift of being that extends where we are, to where we are going.

You can remain grounded in this reality if that is your desire. I have a different path to follow. Are you a materialist by any chance? Do you meditate? Do you astral project? Or is astral projection just all in our minds?

[itsallinus]

It has everything to do with denial. Since denial is a commonly observed Psychological human phenomena and what you describe just isn't. What you are talking about is all a matter of subjective speculation. Higher self? what is this? What one person thinks of as a higher self another person thinks is pure delusion.


Have you even read through this thread? It's not denial, what am I denying?

"What one person thinks of as a higher self another person thinks is pure delusion."

That's opinion with no basis of awareness or understanding of our spiritual self.

[rowan22]

You can remain grounded in this reality if that is your desire. I have a different path to follow. Are you a materialist by any chance? Do you meditate? Do you astral project? Or is astral projection just all in our minds?

A realist, and yes I believe that "astral projection" is a just that, a projection of our conscious minds interpretation of what "heaven" or Nirvana or the Summerland looks like.

If you are a Catholic you have visions of Mary, a Buddhist has a sense of chakras balancing, a Hindu may have a vision of Ganesha. Do you think they are really seeing these "gods"? or are they seeing their psyches projection of what they want to see onto some underlying metaphysical reality?

A reality which is totally consistent with this plane of existence. No less existentially unifying, just without the trappings of religion or faith.

[rowan22]

Have you even read through this thread? It's not denial, what am I denying?

"What one person thinks of as a higher self another person thinks is pure delusion."

That's opinion with no basis of awareness or understanding of our spiritual self.

The title of the thread is "is the N.W.O for our benefit"?

If you can't detect the irony in that question I don’t know what to say to you. The speculation has no empirical support does it? Unless you think war, genocide and economic ruin are ways of cosmically teaching people to what? not eat, become bullet-proof? get used to being a slave?

I think your plane of existence could do with a spot of materialist realism itself.

Oh and in case you don’t get the irony, it’s like asking if starvation is a good way to lose weight lol!

[rowan22]

Start telling the masses that thier reward is in heaven, it worked for Catholics for how many hundred years. Or do you think that suffering is "good for the soul" I'm sure the refugees in Dharfor feel really spiritual as they starve to death!

And the millions that are about to be out of work will feel great comfort in the fact that poverty is really an oppurtunity to meditate more lol!


P.S Denial is about telling ourselves that something bad is really good, or isn't happening.

[itsallinus]

Start telling the masses that thier reward is in heaven, it worked for Catholics for how many hundred years. Or do you think that suffering is "good for the soul" I'm sure the refugees in Dharfor feel really spiritual as they starve to death!

And the millions that are about to be out of work will feel great comfort in the fact that poverty is really an oppurtunity to meditate more lol!


P.S Denial is about telling ourselves that something bad is really good, or isn't happening.

Firstly, I don't think you understand what this thread is about and I am not going to keep repeating myself.

Secondly, since it is clear your already spiritually dead, you have my sympathy, I wish you well.

[rowan22]

Firstly, I don't think you understand what this thread is about and I am not going to keep repeating myself.

Secondly, since it is clear your already spiritually dead, you have my sympathy, I wish you well.


You don’t have to repeat yourself I know exactly where your coming from. The bad things that happen are really the universe balancing out its negative and positive forces which enable an evolution to a higher consciousness.

Bollocks! And even if it isn’t bollocks the acceptance of such a world view implicitly means that human beings are totally powerless and impotent in the world. It is a nihilistic illusion. We do have free will. We can change the world for the better, and some people with a selfish minority interest are making the world a lot worse than it has to be.

People don’t have to starve, or live in poverty or commit suicide because they are so hopeless as they do in the (real) world.

Spirituality is about (us) all taking responsibility for the world we create, not sitting back and waiting for the universe to do it for us.

Spiritual deadness happens when we start passing the buck to fate or the stars, or the universal karmic destiny. When we tell ourselves that it is inevitable …it isn’t it is being made to appear this way by men who have been breeding a slave mentality into the human race for thousands of years

[rowan22]

Secondly, since it is clear your already spiritually dead, you have my sympathy, I wish you well.[/QUOTE]

:eek:

[itsallinus]

You don’t have to repeat yourself I know exactly where your coming from. The bad things that happen are really the universe balancing out its negative and positive forces which enable an evolution to a higher consciousness.

Bollocks! And even if it isn’t bollocks the acceptance of such a world view implicitly means that human beings are totally powerless and impotent in the world. It is a nihilistic illusion. We do have free will. We can change the world for the better, and some people with a selfish minority interest are making the world a lot worse than it has to be.

People don’t have to starve, or live in poverty or commit suicide because they are so hopeless as they do in the (real) world.

Spirituality is about (us) all taking responsibility for the world we create, not sitting back and waiting for the universe to do it for us.

Spiritual deadness happens when we start passing the buck to fate or the stars, or the universal karmic destiny. When we tell ourselves that it is inevitable …it isn’t it is being made to appear this way by men who have been breeding a slave mentality into the human race for thousands of years

Everything that is happening is part of the 'game', it is playing out as it should be. We are here for the ride, to gain the experience that our HS requires for its own graduation.

To be spiritually alive we have to look inside ourselves, the answers lie within us not externally. You can keep believing in the illusion if you wish, I however am searching for the truth, something you cannot find outside of yourself.

[rowan22]

Everything that is happening is part of the 'game', it is playing out as it should be. We are here for the ride, to gain the experience that our HS requires for its own graduation.

To be spiritually alive we have to look inside ourselves, the answers lie within us not externally. You can keep believing in the illusion if you wish, I however am searching for the truth, something you cannot find outside of yourself.

Right well as I keep saying and you keep diligently refusing to accept. It isn't a game. Pain is very real. And (real) spiritual progress only happens when you realise that fact. Telling yourself that the suffering of others is an Illusion is not only arrogant it is a bit sociopathic. That (truth) is very much on the inside, it determines that when we look at an injured man in the street we stop and help him up. Because he may be in pain, We don’t step over him telling ourselves that it must be a part of his "journey" do we?

Empathy, is the hallmark of spiritual progress because we accept our own mortality and vulnerability. We then look at our fellow creatures through these eyes. And not some lofty sounding but wholly callous resignation of “the Tao”.

A Tao which may involve suffering, it may involve pain. But the pain isn’t an irrelevant detail, it is the central spoke upon which the universe turns. Whether we care or we don’t.

And whether we feel our own pain or we dont. And where that leads us all, or not.

[itsallinus]

I am full of empathy. I have suffered great loss to help complete strangers and have no regrets. I see the world we are in and the evil and good, the light and the dark. But having stepped out of the matrix and seeing it for what it is on a number of occasions I refer to it as a game because its the closest term to describe it. Until you are ready and able to do this you can keep believing what you want, it does not change the real truth and what IS illusion.

[rowan22]

I am full of empathy. I have suffered great loss to help complete strangers and have no regrets. I see the world we are in and the evil and good, the light and the dark. But having stepped out of the matrix and seeing it for what it is on a number of occasions I refer to it as a game because its the closest term to describe it. Until you are ready and able to do this you can keep believing what you want, it does not change the real truth and what IS illusion.




It's interesting that you mention the Matrix as one of, if not the central message of the film is "do you want to see reality as it is?" If you do, then you are extruded out of your comfortable cocoon a metaphor for denial, and confronted with the reality of a desolated world run by robots which farm human beings and use their "energy" to run their machine?

The program isn't an end in itself, its only a tool which keeps people asleep and unconscious of the horror which is being perpetuated against them.

"Waking up" or swallowing the truth pill, involves feeling the pain of real existence! Not choosing the comfortable but unreal sleep of the dammed.

Hello another obvious metaphor!

The Matrix is merely a re hashing of the idea of Maya. An illusory reality perpetuated by an indifference to the suffering of sentient beings.

Enlightenment only comes when the importance all life is apprehended and the acceptance of Dhukka, or incompleteness is accepted. Incompleteness means to suffer, the Dharma or law or way is therefore to accept the suffering in order to transcend it.

But we transcend the incompleteness only by becoming the Dharma. And the Dharma achieves enlightenment when the suffering of all things is felt as our own.

So your Matrix reference makes no sense. You are in complete contradiction of your self.

The suffering is not a game. It is the way we awake to the reality of all life which is changing dharma. Which in turn is Dhukka, incomplete and therefore is suffering.

Samsara is this cycle.

[itsallinus]

The matrix I am referring to is not as in the film but as described in the Matrix books 1-5.

Check out http://www.trufax.org/

[rowan22]

The matrix I am referring to is not as in the film but as described in the Matrix books 1-5.

Check out http://www.trufax.org/



No disrespect intended, but Philosophy and Empirical science are complicated enough without a lot of, possibly factual, possibly total misinformation.

Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't think we were being lied to. But the real outrages against truth are a relatively recent thing. I'm forty two, and I've been aware of the lies since I was about eight or ten years old.

The way we are being played is far less mysterious than sites like the one you link to suggest.

I've watch the "controllers" for a long time, and they are no where near the level of sophistication this site suggests. Part of the problem is that we are starting to think of them as this sophisticated. They want that, that disables the majority.

They don’t want you believing that we could organise and overthrow the government. They want you to be occupied looking for imaginary bogeymen so we don’t just point to the economics that actually guarantees our enslavement.

Everything in reality tries to deflect us from feeling our distress. Its characterised as weakness, as autism, as Aspergers as A.D.H.D. the list gets longer every week.

The truth is that if you kick puppy he pees himself. After twelve months of being kicked you have a slavering savage animal on your hands.

And that is the key. Show the puppy love and he grows up into a loyal friendly creature. Those in control create the right brew to ferment hate and violence. Because these things keep us frightened and hostile and too scared to feel vulnerable.

We become angry and vicious and totally disconnected from the spiritual truth which nurtures peace and awareness of when we are being abused.

[itsallinus]

No disrespect intended, but Philosophy and Empirical science are complicated enough without a lot of, possibly factual, possibly total misinformation.

Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't think we were being lied to. But the real outrages against truth are a relatively recent thing. I'm forty two, and I've been aware of the lies since I was about eight or ten years old.

The way we are being played is far less mysterious than sites like the one you link to suggest.

I've watch the "controllers" for a long time, and they are no where near the level of sophistication this site suggests. Part of the problem is that we are starting to think of them as this sophisticated. They want that, that disables the majority.

They don’t want you believing that we could organise and overthrow the government. They want you to be occupied looking for imaginary bogeymen so we don’t just point to the economics that actually guarantees our enslavement.

Everything in reality tries to deflect us from feeling our distress. Its characterised as weakness, as autism, as Aspergers as A.D.H.D. the list gets longer every week.

The truth is that if you kick puppy he pees himself. After twelve months of being kicked you have a slavering savage animal on your hands.

And that is the key. Show the puppy love and he grows up into a loyal friendly creature. Those in control create the right brew to ferment hate and violence. Because these things keep us frightened and hostile and too scared to feel vulnerable.

We become angry and vicious and totally disconnected from the spiritual truth which nurtures peace and awareness of when we are being abused.

i get what your say, I really do, however I feel this is all a distraction, the closer we get to understanding our true selves the more they squeeze us. They know that if we were all to discover who we really are then they would lose all power over us. We are bombarded with daily and more long term distractions through media and world events. The sleeping majority are distracted with material things and only when we let go of our desires for these things do we start to question reality and our true nature. like you said, fear is another way to stop us from thinking and rejecting the consensus reality.

[rowan22]

i get what your say, I really do, however I feel this is all a distraction, the closer we get to understanding our true selves the more they squeeze us. They know that if we were all to discover who we really are then they would lose all power over us. We are bombarded with daily and more long term distractions through media and world events. The sleeping majority are distracted with material things and only when we let go of our desires for these things do we start to question reality and our true nature. like you said, fear is another way to stop us from thinking and rejecting the consensus reality.

I suspect we're barking up a similar tree:rolleyes:

[itsallinus]

I suspect we're barking up a similar tree:rolleyes:

It happens a lot these days ;)

[oneup]

pick a team, cos in my reality the powers that were are just a sleazy psychotic interbred bunch, who have NEVER done anything to benefit anyone but their selves. Free energy? WHERE? Toxic food EVERYWHERE! Slavery for all recorded time? Evolve this! :p & Catch a grip!

Powes that were... I like that one :D

[neuronomics]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

Yeah, as humans right now we are messed up. We can't evolve unless there is universal oneness and no wars ect. People are scared of what they don't know, and they don't know what this new world will look like. They'd rather stick to the same old thing until we have nuclear war. Plus religion is messing us up, people can NEVER come together under this system. And how do we expect to be a excepted member of an intergalactic society if we are so savage. We look like animals that can't get it together. If there was such society.

[gaias child]

I just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading your posts rowan22 and I agree with you

[rowan22]

As one child of Gaia to another I say thankyou!

[rodin]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.
So what do you think?

1. I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic roots of King David to the last strata of the earth.

2. This confirmation will first and foremost be included in that which to this day has rested the force of conservatism by our learned elders of the conduct of the affairs of the world, in the directing of the education of thought of all humanity.

3. Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their heirs, selecting not by right of heritage but by eminent capacities, inducting them into the most secret mysteries of the political, into schemes of government, but providing always that none may come to knowledge of the secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may know that government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the secret places of its art ....

4. To these persons only will be taught the practical application of the aforenamed plans by comparison of the experiences of many centuries, all the observations on the politico-economic moves and social sciences - in a word, all the spirit of laws which have been unshakably established by nature herself for the regulation of the relations of humanity.

5. Direct heirs will often be set aside from ascending the throne if in their time of training they exhibit frivolity, softness and other qualities that are the ruin of authority, which render them incapable of governing and in themselves dangerous for kingly office.

6. Only those who are unconditionally capable for firm, even if it be to cruelty, direct rule will receive the reins of rule from our learned elders.

7. In case of falling sick with weakness of will or other form of incapacity. kings must by law hand over the reins of rule to new and capable hands.

8. The king's plan of action for the current moment, and all the more so for the future, will be unknown, even to those who are called his closest counselors.

9. Only the king and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is coming.

10. In the person of the king who with unbending will is master of himself and of humanity all will discern as it were fate with its mysterious ways. None will know what the king wishes to attain by his dispositions, and therefore none will dare to stand across an unknown path.

11. It is understood that the brain reservoir of the king must correspond in capacity to the plan of government it has to contain. It is for this reason that he will ascend the throne not otherwise than after examination of his mind by the aforesaid learned elders.

12. That the people may know and love their king, it is indispensable for him to converse in the market-places with his people. This ensures the necessary clinching of the two forces which are now divided one from another by us by the terror.

13. This terror was indispensable for us till the time comes for both these forces separately to fall under our influence.

14. The king of the Jews must not be at the mercy of his passions, and especially of sensuality: on no side of his character must he give brute instincts power over his mind. Sensuality worse than all else disorganizes the capacities of the mind and clearness of views, distracting the thoughts to the worst and most brutal side of human activity.

15. The prop of humanity in the person of the supreme lord of all the world of the holy seed of David must sacrifice to his people all personal inclinations.

16. Our supreme lord must be of an exemplary irreproachability.

Signed by the representative of
Zion, of the 33rd Degree

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#TABLE OF CONTENTS

The entire script is sold as the end justifies the means

I'll wager the end is a lie to make the generals of this operation think it's worth the sacrifice

[trix]

Thanks for posting this. I have thought similarly, however fleeting. Maybe, just maybe, their actions are to help humanity.

There is a lot of stuff we do not understand going on, some people think humans have de-evolved from how we were in ancient times, and are now getting back to that state of being that has been lost for so long. Maybe we need a world wide tragedy to cause us to band together and be one again in consciousness. Or maybe they are trying to keep us from that goal... (more likely)

I know that I do not know. I know they are controlling us and have been for a long time. I do not know why.

More likely than not, it is for their own advantage and has nothing to do with helping humanity evolve. But there is a chance they are for us, no matter how small.

Let us not attack each other for having different ideas on the same situation, we should be encouraging outside the box thinking and exhausting all options having to do with the NWO.

[itsallinus]

Thanks for posting this. I have thought similarly, however fleeting. Maybe, just maybe, their actions are to help humanity.

There is a lot of stuff we do not understand going on, some people think humans have de-evolved from how we were in ancient times, and are now getting back to that state of being that has been lost for so long. Maybe we need a world wide tragedy to cause us to band together and be one again in consciousness. Or maybe they are trying to keep us from that goal... (more likely)

I know that I do not know. I know they are controlling us and have been for a long time. I do not know why.

More likely than not, it is for their own advantage and has nothing to do with helping humanity evolve. But there is a chance they are for us, no matter how small.

Let us not attack each other for having different ideas on the same situation, we should be encouraging outside the box thinking and exhausting all options having to do with the NWO.

Thanks for the reply trix :) well said.

I read today in another post that if everythingwas running smoothly and everyone was happy with reality that David Icke would not stand a chance of reaching people, no one would care to listen 'cause everything is hunky dory. This I believe is absolutely true.

[filinfinland]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?

The dream was absolutely right. The illuminati are from the 7th dimension. They have been working all this time to create the necessary frequency spectrum (low to high, dark to light etc) that allows the generation of the harmonic frequency which will cause this universe to ascend and a new universe to be created from the 3d spectrum of this universe.

Mad isn't it

[veritasvoice]

Thanks for posting this. I have thought similarly, however fleeting. Maybe, just maybe, their actions are to help humanity.

There is a lot of stuff we do not understand going on, some people think humans have de-evolved from how we were in ancient times, and are now getting back to that state of being that has been lost for so long. Maybe we need a world wide tragedy to cause us to band together and be one again in consciousness. Or maybe they are trying to keep us from that goal... (more likely)

I know that I do not know. I know they are controlling us and have been for a long time. I do not know why.

More likely than not, it is for their own advantage and has nothing to do with helping humanity evolve. But there is a chance they are for us, no matter how small.

Let us not attack each other for having different ideas on the same situation, we should be encouraging outside the box thinking and exhausting all options having to do with the NWO.

Trix, look at history - what we know of it, anyway.

The human race has NEVER been "one consciousness". If we were, we wouldn't be human beings.

Collectivism has always been inherently destructive to humanity; individualism is the only thing that pushes us forward as a species. When all else fails, we have the isolated genius unlocking the secrets of the universe, or the lone rebel calling out for truth; when we assemble in large numbers we see the tyranny of the majority, mob rule, mass hysteria.

The New World Order wants a global consciousness, a world brain, a hive mind - so to effectively CONTROL all of us.

Evolving towards one consciousness screams EUGENICS.

This is NOT for our benefit, but the benefit of those who will be above and outside of this control system.

The very IDEA that somehow the NWO (the power structure responsible for the death, impoverishment and suffering of untold millions) is GOOD FOR ALL OF US is horrifically dangerous, and designed to make people stop resisting.

[tjohn]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think? It reminds me of the upside down logic of when Bush was saying that he's liberating people from Saddam Hussein by killing them. What is lacking is not so-called logic but compassion.

[itsallinus]

Trix, look at history - what we know of it, anyway.

The human race has NEVER been "one consciousness". If we were, we wouldn't be human beings.

Collectivism has always been inherently destructive to humanity; individualism is the only thing that pushes us forward as a species. When all else fails, we have the isolated genius unlocking the secrets of the universe, or the lone rebel calling out for truth; when we assemble in large numbers we see the tyranny of the majority, mob rule, mass hysteria.

The New World Order wants a global consciousness, a world brain, a hive mind - so to effectively CONTROL all of us.

Evolving towards one consciousness screams EUGENICS.

This is NOT for our benefit, but the benefit of those who will be above and outside of this control system.

The very IDEA that somehow the NWO (the power structure responsible for the death, impoverishment and suffering of untold millions) is GOOD FOR ALL OF US is horrifically dangerous, and designed to make people stop resisting.

If you look at it from the perspective of your spiritual evolution which treads beyond the physical world and into your higher self outside of polarities and how the nwo is acting like a trigger in awakening people on both physical and spiritual levels then you take that step back because its good to have a broad perspective of things.

It may not be for our benefit, but it does appear to be benefitting us on a much deeper and internal level. There is imo very little truth in the illusion and that does not exclude how things appear to be playing out.

[michael christopher]

If you look at it from the perspective of your spiritual evolution which treads beyond the physical world and into your higher self outside of polarities and how the nwo is acting like a trigger in awakening people on both physical and spiritual levels then you take that step back because its good to have a broad perspective of things.

It may not be for our benefit, but it does appear to be benefitting us on a much deeper and internal level. There is imo very little truth in the illusion and that does not exclude how things appear to be playing out.

I agree with this entirely. You can do two things with darkness: be it's victim, or learn from it.

It's not possible to choose neither, because by withdrawing, you are choosing to be it's victim as well.

Darkness must be transmuted into light, we must alchemically turn that which is our adversary in to that which has taught us and helped us to grow. We must learn from darkness by seeing what it creates.

[nioz]

The dream was absolutely right. The illuminati are from the 7th dimension. They have been working all this time to create the necessary frequency spectrum (low to high, dark to light etc) that allows the generation of the harmonic frequency which will cause this universe to ascend and a new universe to be created from the 3d spectrum of this universe.

Mad isn't it

Sick fucks

[filinfinland]

I agree with this entirely. You can do two things with darkness: be it's victim, or learn from it.

It's not possible to choose neither, because by withdrawing, you are choosing to be it's victim as well.



You are absolutely right. It is a matter of perspective. We are told by those who have returned from a temporary death that a life review is observed objectively. We would not hold a grudge against the man who killed us when we are obviously still alive.

Either we are multi-dimensional consciousness or we are not. Either we plan our lives in advance or we do not. If we do then we know in advance the state of the world and yet still choose to come here. Why?.

We are not the victims of the NWO. We are their partners in the creation of the frequency spectrum that generates a new universe. In our current state the frequency spectrum appears to be life experiences. The pain and frustration, the despair and fear are merely the lower end of the frequency spectrum. The hope and joy and love are the highest end of the spectrum.

Without the generation of the whole spectrum, our universe could not have evolved. Look at the world around you not from the perspective of a single human life span, but from the perspective of an immortal consciousness whose evolution is played out over the span of trillions of trillions of universes.

From this point of view it might make more sense. We are the very beings who have caused all these things to happen for the sole purpose of creating the evolution of consciousness. There never was a greater conspiracy than the one we ourselves have taken part in for hundreds of millions of years.

Wake up and smell the coffee, we are more than we can know.

[itsallinus]

^^^^ Good post there!:)

[lightgiver]

I had a dream last night that I was in a conference room sitting around a large table with a lot of black-suits. I knew I was in a meeting with the elites and that they were there to present me with some important info.

They explained to me that everything that is happening in the world, the new world order, the weather manipulation, keeping us as slaves, etc...everything that has been by design must happen in order to help us evolve.

I was told that we not only agreed to this but requested it occur exactly as it is playing out. Through hardship, poverty and oppression as well as mind control and manipulation we are waking up spiritually and finally after a long journey we are almost ready. Everything has happened/is happening in order for us to learn how to rise above, see beyond, to unconditionally love through a deeper understanding.

I know what your thinking, 1. it was only a dream 2. yea right! they are just helping us evolve :rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit strange and tbh I never have that kind of dream, ever so I guess I took more notice of it and also because it didn't actually 'feel' like my dream but like I was sharing it with them.

Just to confirm I have not lost the plot, I thought it was ridiculous at first but in a way it could make sense, I mean, if our higher selves knowing agreed to participate in this 'game' but being outside the matrix where there are no polarities nothing is seen as bad, just experiences that will lead quicker to our progression. I hope this makes sense. I still think this is not true but it has left me wondering, it's a different interpretation to what most perceive yet has some logic to it!

So what do you think?


Dropping bombs on and poisoning people is in no ones interest.

Only in the interest of evil.