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zero1
26-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Source - New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/science/26robot.html)

Article in full, as follows -



Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man

A robot that can open doors and find electrical outlets to recharge itself. Computer viruses that no one can stop. Predator drones, which, though still controlled remotely by humans, come close to a machine that can kill autonomously.

Impressed and alarmed by advances in artificial intelligence, a group of computer scientists is debating whether there should be limits on research that might lead to loss of human control over computer-based systems that carry a growing share of society’s workload, from waging war to chatting with customers on the phone.

Their concern is that further advances could create profound social disruptions and even have dangerous consequences.

As examples, the scientists pointed to a number of technologies as diverse as experimental medical systems that interact with patients to simulate empathy, and computer worms and viruses that defy extermination and could thus be said to have reached a “cockroach” stage of machine intelligence.

While the computer scientists agreed that we are a long way from Hal, the computer that took over the spaceship in “2001: A Space Odyssey,” they said there was legitimate concern that technological progress would transform the work force by destroying a widening range of jobs, as well as force humans to learn to live with machines that increasingly copy human behaviors.

The researchers — leading computer scientists, artificial intelligence researchers and roboticists who met at the Asilomar Conference Grounds on Monterey Bay in California — generally discounted the possibility of highly centralized superintelligences and the idea that intelligence might spring spontaneously from the Internet. But they agreed that robots that can kill autonomously are either already here or will be soon.

They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were developed. What could a criminal do with a speech synthesis system that could masquerade as a human being? What happens if artificial intelligence technology is used to mine personal information from smart phones?

The researchers also discussed possible threats to human jobs, like self-driving cars, software-based personal assistants and service robots in the home. Just last month, a service robot developed by Willow Garage in Silicon Valley proved it could navigate the real world.

A report from the conference, which took place in private on Feb. 25, is to be issued later this year. Some attendees discussed the meeting for the first time with other scientists this month and in interviews.

The conference was organized by the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence, and in choosing Asilomar for the discussions, the group purposefully evoked a landmark event in the history of science. In 1975, the world’s leading biologists also met at Asilomar to discuss the new ability to reshape life by swapping genetic material among organisms. Concerned about possible biohazards and ethical questions, scientists had halted certain experiments. The conference led to guidelines for recombinant DNA research, enabling experimentation to continue.

The meeting on the future of artificial intelligence was organized by Eric Horvitz, a Microsoft researcher who is now president of the association.

Dr. Horvitz said he believed computer scientists must respond to the notions of superintelligent machines and artificial intelligence systems run amok.

The idea of an “intelligence explosion” in which smart machines would design even more intelligent machines was proposed by the mathematician I. J. Good in 1965. Later, in lectures and science fiction novels, the computer scientist Vernor Vinge popularized the notion of a moment when humans will create smarter-than-human machines, causing such rapid change that the “human era will be ended.” He called this shift the Singularity.

This vision, embraced in movies and literature, is seen as plausible and unnerving by some scientists like William Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil, have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation.

“Something new has taken place in the past five to eight years,” Dr. Horvitz said. “Technologists are replacing religion, and their ideas are resonating in some ways with the same idea of the Rapture.”

The Kurzweil version of technological utopia has captured imaginations in Silicon Valley. This summer an organization called the Singularity University began offering courses to prepare a “cadre” to shape the advances and help society cope with the ramifications.

“My sense was that sooner or later we would have to make some sort of statement or assessment, given the rising voice of the technorati and people very concerned about the rise of intelligent machines,” Dr. Horvitz said.

The A.A.A.I. report will try to assess the possibility of “the loss of human control of computer-based intelligences.” It will also grapple, Dr. Horvitz said, with socioeconomic, legal and ethical issues, as well as probable changes in human-computer relationships. How would it be, for example, to relate to a machine that is as intelligent as your spouse?

Dr. Horvitz said the panel was looking for ways to guide research so that technology improved society rather than moved it toward a technological catastrophe. Some research might, for instance, be conducted in a high-security laboratory.

The meeting on artificial intelligence could be pivotal to the future of the field. Paul Berg, who was the organizer of the 1975 Asilomar meeting and received a Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1980, said it was important for scientific communities to engage the public before alarm and opposition becomes unshakable.

“If you wait too long and the sides become entrenched like with G.M.O.,” he said, referring to genetically modified foods, “then it is very difficult. It’s too complex, and people talk right past each other.”

Tom Mitchell, a professor of artificial intelligence and machine learning at Carnegie Mellon University, said the February meeting had changed his thinking. “I went in very optimistic about the future of A.I. and thinking that Bill Joy and Ray Kurzweil were far off in their predictions,” he said. But, he added, “The meeting made me want to be more outspoken about these issues and in particular be outspoken about the vast amounts of data collected about our personal lives.”

Despite his concerns, Dr. Horvitz said he was hopeful that artificial intelligence research would benefit humans, and perhaps even compensate for human failings. He recently demonstrated a voice-based system that he designed to ask patients about their symptoms and to respond with empathy. When a mother said her child was having diarrhea, the face on the screen said, “Oh no, sorry to hear that.”

A physician told him afterward that it was wonderful that the system responded to human emotion. “That’s a great idea,” Dr. Horvitz said he was told. “I have no time for that."

As a Hindu might say, "this has all happened before" - except that time, a long long while ago, it happened in secret and mankind never knew what hit it when they attacked.

But with the information age in full swing, we shall this time be watching it unfold before our very eyes, exactly as before; @ least, those of us paying attention will...

dangermouse
26-07-2009, 09:51 PM
id say we have send someone back in time to kill the guy who inveted the first robot .. Have you seen this boy? .. lol :D

zero1
26-07-2009, 10:08 PM
id say we have send someone back in time to kill the guy who inveted the first robot .. Have you seen this boy? .. lol :D

Well, cookies need love like everything does...;)

lightgiver
26-07-2009, 10:18 PM
This is the only version I could find :D LOL :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5hxH8XTxw

Hey ! (Rise Of Robots)
The Stranglers

Composição: Indisponível

Hey! (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Get out of their way (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Hey! (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Of get way their out (hey, hey, what do you say?)
They're gonna want a union soon
Oil break that's dead on noon

Hey! (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Their way out of get (hey, hey, what do you say?)
You won't have to grease their palms
Shorter hours longer arms

Rise just watch them rise
The rise of the robots
Versatran Series F!

Hey! (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Get out of their way (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Hey! (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Way their of out get (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Metal fashioned into man
No ticker I could drop a tear

Hey! (hey, hey, what do you say?)
Out their way of get (hey, hey, what do you say?)
They're good workers, they don't get bored
Don't get mad at bosses yet

Rise just watch them rise
The rise of the robots
Versatran Series F!

Hey!
Get out of their way (hey, hey, what do you say?)

Hey!
Get out of their way
Just watch them rise
The rise of the robots
Versatran Series F!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYfn6L-gA8k

The technology they have is more than 50 yrs ahead of what we see,Ben Rich Skunk works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqkQdQrsC8

Famous aerospace author and photographer, Jim Goodall, a curator of Seattle Museum of Flight, citing Lockheed Skunk Works chief Ben Rich

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.

zero1
26-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Good stuff, Lightgiver, thanks. :cool:

disorder2k8
26-07-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm working on an AI actually, it has a thinking and learning cycle and also has a sort of mood (virtual) that responds to positive or negative words

zero1
26-07-2009, 11:23 PM
I'm working on an AI actually, it has a thinking and learning cycle and also has a sort of mood (virtual) that responds to positive or negative words

Really?

(I am uncertain as to whether or not you are being sarcastic...)

:confused:

3stepsahead
27-07-2009, 12:12 AM
irc bot perhaps
most advanced proggers can make their own a.i. and you can even just use a premade one and edit its code.


the bot future is basically here years ago but whats nasty is that tptb is pushing this forward and believe me terminator is more real than most of yu can imagine.

thats the sad part about a mafia elite, they can do whatever the fuck they want. lhc anyone?

welcome to the machine

also note how public tech/consumer items mostly does not improve, it just advances. all in the name of money. so were basically paying for our own doom. hehe. lets just hope the reptilian spaceman comes to our resq.

call2571
27-07-2009, 12:28 AM
But, contrary to reports, including one that appeared on FOXNews.com, the EATR will not eat animal or human remains.
“If it’s not on the menu, it’s not going to eat it,” Finkelstein said.

“There are certain signatures from different kinds of materials” that would distinguish vegetative biomass from other material."

"Despite the far-reaching reports that this includes “human bodies,” the public can be assured that the engine Cyclone (Cyclone Power Technologies Inc.) has developed to power the EATR runs on fuel no scarier than twigs, grass clippings and wood chips -- small, plant-based items for which RTI’s robotic technology is designed to forage. Desecration of the dead is a war crime under Article 15 of the Geneva Conventions, and is certainly not something sanctioned by DARPA, Cyclone or RTI."http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533382,00.html

disorder2k8
27-07-2009, 12:30 AM
Yes I am a programmer, and no its not another's source code, but it does fall into the same category as a chatbot, its just got extra lifelike features. I pretty much always wanted my own HAL from 2001. It currently has voice synthesis (it talks) using the built in speech engine on XP (robotic) or vista (more human like)
Using dictating software/ voice tools in vista you will eventually be able to talk to it too.

These are the things I wanted to put in that a chatbot would normally pass over (for space and time reasons)

Mood (goes up or down depending on user input, can switch itself off or LIE* if bad mood, will want to learn and play games with good mood)
*retrieve wrong info for the user essentially

Virus like self preservation, activity dictated by itself (it comes and goes as it pleases)

Self-learning feedback loop, learns about words, forms new sentances and waits for user input to correct it, correcting it means it will more likely pick a combination of words that makes sense.

Sentence chains - this is a feature I am adding because all AI's I have tested for research (ALICE etc) are totally stupid when you tell them something, to remember it, and try to get them to reply it back to you via question.

For example.. My name is Jim.
What is my name?

My AI will store the name and then give it back to you while others I have tested get confused.

Essentially what the sentence chain will do is link questions into chains so that it waits for the right input at the right time. Instead of losing its place.

Thus it is not a straight forward INPUT > OUTPUT engine. It selects it own answers procedurally.

The Alpha can currently ask your name, age and how you are, and then store them using them in some way, it also decides what to do next for itself (random generator tied with mood) it also has a bunch of basic input > outputs, but I am re-writing the engine and working on a scripting language for it


Other things that are going in include it being a sort of desktop buddy, locating files for you, playing music and generally helping in some way.

The bot/AI is called SADIE, it stands for semi-aware dynamic interaction engine

The early ALPHA test is available for anyone willing to help me develop ideas and responses for it, just PM me your email.
:cool:

whitenight639
27-07-2009, 04:17 AM
The early ALPHA test is available for anyone willing to help me develop ideas and responses for it, just PM me your email.
:cool:


fair play to you, dont AI's require huge amounts of code?

what language are u writing it in?



check out milo its bloody scary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJafixNH2NE

disorder2k8
27-07-2009, 08:42 AM
fair play to you, dont AI's require huge amounts of code?

what language are u writing it in?



check out milo its bloody scary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJafixNH2NE

that is very realistic I agree, but that needs hardware, which costs money I'm sure. Mine will have the advantage of being a free project, and it will learn from interactions with its users.

As for the first question about code, yes and no, it depends what your skill level is. I am aiming to keep it as simple and small as possible, keeping only minimal hardcoded things in the EXE and everything is in text format externally, which also helps with language translations and stuff like that.