Think before you send me a newsletter

[and14263]

I'm disgusted.
I've been an Icke fan for a long time. He's helped open my mind, along with lots of other sources.
I regularly read philosophy. I regularly lecture in psychology. I am not materialistic, I try to love everybody and forgive those who sin against me... I'm not religious, my basic thoughts run along a fractal universe... created how? I'm still wondering.

The icke newsletter I just received is total ****ocks. It's on a par with tabloidised mainstream media crap. It's riled me no end. I cannot believe someone as 'intelligent' as Icke has sent this crap out to lots of people.

Arrogant, mind-programmed 'social workers' are using this rigged system to seize children and hand them to foster parents of their choice while warning the parents that if they challenge this outrage they will never be allowed to even see their children again.

This sweeping statement shows absolutely nothing about how a social worker becomes qualified and how social workers think. It displays complete ignorance and arrogance on behalf of the author. This stinks of un intelligent crap written to CONTROL THE MINDS of the readers.

To think someone who is so highly regarded in a community that hates bu****it has put this newsletter out is beyond me.

Socila workers are not mind controlled.... this is obscene. In order to become a SW you have to show you can distinguish the crap from the good, be able to think for yourself and also show you have a vast understanding on how the mind works and how outside influences can affect society and the person.

SW's also have to display an understanding of interaction between mind and body, material and immaterial.

This newsletter is complete, complete FEAR MONGERING. Worse than any tabloid or mainstream outlet out there.

Mr Icke ...... I can't believe I'm about to type this but...... This is a huge display of ignorance.

I'm so sorry to say these things but our world will not changed if we are going to have false thoughts force fed to us.

FALSE CRAP ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO HELP.

[ex sheep]

Just look at the bigger picture and you'll see its not so far fetched as it first seems.
By the way it's not just David that's talking about this, be back in a min with sources. Hang 5.

[ex sheep]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74551

http://blip.tv/file/2399051/

Brian Gerrish at the British Constitution Group meeting in London 09.

"We've had an explaination that something is working under the surface and its not very nice.....we are dealing with Subversion...our country is being taken apart from the inside....and if you want to know what the elite think of you, what they think of us...we are cattle....we are regarded as cattle"

Its nice to see more people waking up to this reality.

[gilly]

Haven't you read any of Brian Gerrish's findings?

[rydeon]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74551

http://blip.tv/file/2399051/

Brian Gerrish at the British Constitution Group meeting in London 09.

"We've had an explaination that something is working under the surface and its not very nice.....we are dealing with Subversion...our country is being taken apart from the inside....and if you want to know what the elite think of you, what they think of us...we are cattle....we are regarded as cattle"

Its nice to see more people waking up to this reality.

I'll chip in that while the newsletters DI sends out aren't really as good as they used to be, the subversion factor of social workers is worrying.

They tend to be socialist (goes with the name I guess) and want to control people they percieve as needing to be controlled.
While this can be a good thing under the checks and balances of a good government I think under a socialist government they get given far to many powers.
In the states I'm told if you won't send your child to a state school the social workers over there can take your child away. I'm sure there's more to it than that but still it's worrying to think that if you've got kids the state can send out it's minions to snatch them away because of what THEY think and not the childs own family.

[drhemp]

The full newsletter is not out, so it's difficult to make too many comments on it.

A mother in the UK had her twin babies taken from her by social workers for joking that the caesarean birth had ruined her body. She spent £38,000 on IVF treatment in a desperate attempt to have children and these deeply disturbed people removed them within weeks. When she lost her temper at what they had done they reported that she had 'anger problems' which could be a threat to her twins.

He also said the above, which I think that is very worrying and I look forward to reading the rest of the newsletter when it is out.

I doubt all social workers are bad, but what Icke is saying seems along the same lines as what Brian Gerrish has been saying about 'Common Purpose' trained social workers who have infiltrated Social Services, as part of the Common Purpose agenda to destroy the fabric of British society.

The story about the social workers who took the babies away from the mother who joked about the IVF treatment is just the tip of the iceberg, we hear about these crazy stories every day. I understand Darren Pollard had the threat of his kid being taken away from him for daring to use a megaphone in a public place to tell people they were losing their freedom of speech in the UK.

Common Purpose are behind all this, probably the Social Workers who haven't been on extensive Common Purpose training are more likely ok.

[ex sheep]

I'll chip in that while the newsletters DI sends out aren't really as good as they used to be, the subversion factor of social workers is worrying.

They tend to be socialist (goes with the name I guess) and want to control people they percieve as needing to be controlled.
While this can be a good thing under the checks and balances of a good government I think under a socialist government they get given far to many powers.
In the states I'm told if you won't send your child to a state school the social workers over there can take your child away. I'm sure there's more to it than that but still it's worrying to think that if you've got kids the state can send out it's minions to snatch them away because of what THEY think and not the childs own family.

It's frightening to think what these bastards would have planed for us, I only wish more people could see what's going on around and right under their noses.

[myeika]

Hi there.

I would like to respond to this.....

I'm disgusted......<<<<snip
>>>>>Social workers are not mind controlled.... this is obscene. In order to become a SW you have to show you can distinguish the crap from the good, be able to think for yourself and also show you have a vast understanding on how the mind works and how outside influences can affect society and the person.

SW's also have to display an understanding of interaction between mind and body, material and immaterial.>>>>>>>snip

IMHO They are like many, just repeters of what they have been taught/told in their 'vast' training is right or wrong, social workers do not see the bigger picture bless them!

[i_am]

Unless you are a premier subscriber, all you are getting is a preview of the newsletter.

There will be much more background information in the full Newsletter which, as has been pointed out, has not even been sent yet.

These things are happening and it is frightening for parents.

[planetsadhana]

there are good people in every government department....but social workers are amongst a "public face" operation that has become way to powerful and they are given this sense of importance and judgement to fulfil the controlling ptb wishes..
common purpose and social engineering has come to the point where genuine people can no longer make objective descions.....

children do not belong to the state

[krakhead]

Think before you send me a newsletter

:confused: So it should be edited depending on whether or not you'd like it before it's sent out?

Just unsubscribe dude!

[ex sheep]

social workers do not see the bigger picture bless them!

I think we have to remember this about everybody who doesn't understand what's going on around them, policemen (not ex :) ) politicians teachers in fact the whole population that are ignorant.
Now its the trolls I have a problem with.


I must not bite.

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I find it hard :o

[planetsadhana]

yup....... its a funny one to get your nose out of joint for,

amongst all the shite going on defending social workers is not up there imo for getting your knickers in a twist

[disorder2k8]

People forget that they are still 'following' something or someone, and DI is no exception to that.

I personally think he is a bit repetitive and cant watch him for longer than 45 minutes at a time. The other thing is that he has come up with nothing new for the whole movement, and most of the what he does know (as evidenced in the Melbourne lecture) is just quoted from other books/opinions.. biased or otherwise, and then he goes on about 'repeaters' while being one himself. :confused:

The amount of money he makes and the way his house looks(posh and full of trinkets), I sometimes feel as if he is not really doing us any favours at all.

All the things I know I worked out for myself, nothing David has said ever inspired me, or given me that 'oh yea I understand!' eureka type moment

[brainfreeze]

Why anyone would want to be a social worker I don't understand. It is a calling more than it is a job. Why take on the responsibility of things going wrong with the fucked up families you have on your files and then you are so obviously to blame because you didn't do your job properly? Where's the sense in copping the blame for someone else's fuck ups? I don't see it?

And, as Icky hight lights, those who do the job are seen as little more than part of the tptb problem. I don't know why they bother. I wouldn't.

:confused:

[tusme]

I'm disgusted.
I've been an Icke fan for a long time. He's helped open my mind, along with lots of other sources.
I regularly read philosophy. I regularly lecture in psychology. I am not materialistic, I try to love everybody and forgive those who sin against me... I'm not religious, my basic thoughts run along a fractal universe... created how? I'm still wondering.

The icke newsletter I just received is total ****ocks. It's on a par with tabloidised mainstream media crap. It's riled me no end. I cannot believe someone as 'intelligent' as Icke has sent this crap out to lots of people.

Arrogant, mind-programmed 'social workers' are using this rigged system to seize children and hand them to foster parents of their choice while warning the parents that if they challenge this outrage they will never be allowed to even see their children again.

This sweeping statement shows absolutely nothing about how a social worker becomes qualified and how social workers think. It displays complete ignorance and arrogance on behalf of the author. This stinks of un intelligent crap written to CONTROL THE MINDS of the readers.

To think someone who is so highly regarded in a community that hates bu****it has put this newsletter out is beyond me.

Socila workers are not mind controlled.... this is obscene. In order to become a SW you have to show you can distinguish the crap from the good, be able to think for yourself and also show you have a vast understanding on how the mind works and how outside influences can affect society and the person.

SW's also have to display an understanding of interaction between mind and body, material and immaterial.

This newsletter is complete, complete FEAR MONGERING. Worse than any tabloid or mainstream outlet out there.

Mr Icke ...... I can't believe I'm about to type this but...... This is a huge display of ignorance.

I'm so sorry to say these things but our world will not changed if we are going to have false thoughts force fed to us.

FALSE CRAP ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO HELP.
Interesting, And14263, that you chose not to use your "premier subscriber" userid to query DI's article...hmm, wonder why...!?

As I've not had a look at the article you're disputing, unfortunately, I cannot comment on it...

However, I'd just like to say, like many families in Britain today, the "law" is trying to destory me through my family...meaning, if they succeed, my kids will lose all contact with their father...!!

Sorry mate, it's time we called a spade for what it is...!!

This negative energy is attacking the fundamentals of all British life...and your analysis of DI's article as "scare-mongering", serves nothing but the purposes of this negative energy...unfortunately!! :(

[godspeed]

and 1463 you say you lecture in psychology so you must know the ptb are all psychopaths.....i have heard local horror stories about ss taking grandchildren off grandparents who were willing to raise the kids while their parents were restricted.....for what reason in the world are the kids better off with strangers i cannot fathom...but its happening and let us remind ourselves that foster parents are paid by the state and sometimes only keep kids for 6 weeks at a time...moving the poor kids on and on to other strangers.....ive had a sw for almost a year and she did nothing but try and make things worse and nearly got me evicted from my home....cos they dont want me here.....they are friends with all in the council and they can and will gang up on justified decent people....put that in your peace pipe.....and enjoy the ride into being deceived then......:D

[Ian2day]

On one level SW's are put up by tptb as a target for an angry population to attack. On another level, I can't comment.

[tusme]

On one level SW's are put up by tptb as a target for an angry population to attack. On another level, I can't comment.
Exactly, their "footsoldiers expressing the "law", which is constantly being engineered to unsettle society as a whole...all part of the "agenda", mate...!! :(

[newworldengineer]

People forget that they are still 'following' something or someone, and DI is no exception to that.

I personally think he is a bit repetitive and cant watch him for longer than 45 minutes at a time. The other thing is that he has come up with nothing new for the whole movement, and most of the what he does know (as evidenced in the Melbourne lecture) is just quoted from other books/opinions.. biased or otherwise, and then he goes on about 'repeaters' while being one himself. :confused:

The amount of money he makes and the way his house looks(posh and full of trinkets), I sometimes feel as if he is not really doing us any favours at all.

All the things I know I worked out for myself, nothing David has said ever inspired me, or given me that 'oh yea I understand!' eureka type moment

he has for others including me... he's a good dot connector even if he is quoting other peoples books, he kinda gets the synchronicity of information flowing for you, gets you in that mode of attraction giving you an example of how you can go about gathering the pertinent information yourself.

[cruise4]

Leave it out... social workers are amongst the dumbest of the dumb. A parasitical job that exists purely to lower the unemployment figures, and many of them know it. Get rid of the lot of them. Total tools of the manipulation agenda and another layer of the strategy to control everybody.

[ozpixie]

This is a general comment as I have not read the newsletter and my comment is not intended to be adversarial in any way. I don't know what is going on in Britain but here in Australia there is a lot of conditioning given to to social work students. I know because I was one (before I left to become self-employed). Sometimes it was hard to see until I stepped back and critically examined all the material we were given. The idea that parents are often not the best carers came through loud and clear. Some of the conditioning was helpful in exposing biases and blocks that we all carry.

This does not mean that I agree that social workers are all out to take children away. I would say that in my experience child protection seems to attract people who have inherent control issues but their lack of action is driven by funding and government policy, rather than the needs of the child. As a mandatory reporter, I was sometimes frustrated by the 'wait and see' approach taken, not for the removal of a child, but to just have it investigated. In SA a child dies every three days from abuse and neglect and with a population of just over a million that should terrify anyone.

Just to clarify my position, I believe that the destruction of family bonding, the shortened time allowed in maternity wards after the birth (especially) and increased financial pressures have all led to these tragedies. We would not need social workers to intervene in family matters except in rare situations if those traditional supports were still in place.

We now know that all those three factors that I have mentioned have been deliberately undermined by the social engineers who want to reduce us to a herd of work units, without individuality, without support structures and without any certainty. It's no wonder that some people are going off the rails and why the general population thinks that the interference of social workers is necessary to right what is essentially a manufactured wrong.

Finally, if David's newsletter related to the story about the mother of twins who joked about her loss of figure, I think we need to see this as BB's attempt to jolt the people. No parents will be safe from the totalitarian controls, regardless of how many 'mountains' they have climbed to achieve parenthood - this is a statement of intent made by the Government that they mean to have their way. This couple is being held up as an example. Another example of this was the young schoolgirl who was investigated by police for a hate crime because she asked to be in a work group of studens who spoke English. The nurse who offered to pray for a patient is another. This is how they are getting their message across.

[baron von lotsov]

I'm disgusted.
I've been an Icke fan for a long time. He's helped open my mind, along with lots of other sources.
I regularly read philosophy. I regularly lecture in psychology. I am not materialistic, I try to love everybody and forgive those who sin against me... I'm not religious, my basic thoughts run along a fractal universe... created how? I'm still wondering.

The icke newsletter I just received is total ****ocks. It's on a par with tabloidised mainstream media crap. It's riled me no end. I cannot believe someone as 'intelligent' as Icke has sent this crap out to lots of people.

Arrogant, mind-programmed 'social workers' are using this rigged system to seize children and hand them to foster parents of their choice while warning the parents that if they challenge this outrage they will never be allowed to even see their children again.

This sweeping statement shows absolutely nothing about how a social worker becomes qualified and how social workers think. It displays complete ignorance and arrogance on behalf of the author. This stinks of un intelligent crap written to CONTROL THE MINDS of the readers.

To think someone who is so highly regarded in a community that hates bu****it has put this newsletter out is beyond me.

Socila workers are not mind controlled.... this is obscene. In order to become a SW you have to show you can distinguish the crap from the good, be able to think for yourself and also show you have a vast understanding on how the mind works and how outside influences can affect society and the person.

SW's also have to display an understanding of interaction between mind and body, material and immaterial.

This newsletter is complete, complete FEAR MONGERING. Worse than any tabloid or mainstream outlet out there.

Mr Icke ...... I can't believe I'm about to type this but...... This is a huge display of ignorance.

I'm so sorry to say these things but our world will not changed if we are going to have false thoughts force fed to us.

FALSE CRAP ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO HELP.

And family courts are conducted in secret right. I'm no fan of Icke and I have been a strong critic on his New Age philosophy for years on here, but for once I think he is saying something that has a ring of truth about it. I don't get his newsletter so I can't comment on the whole piece, but from what you have quoted I see nothing wrong. This is not so secret anymore; the Daily Mail has exposed a considerable amount of it just for starters. They might be tabloid but they have professional investigators that are often more efficient than the police.

[ozpixie]

PS: I was attracted to the profession because I stupidly thought it was a way of helping poor people access resources that would take them into a better quality of life, rather than scraping through from one fortnight payment to the next. It is a rat hole of politics, backbiting and scams. Church groups are using Government funding of welfare to prop up declining offerings as memberships fall. This has led to a prostitution of values as the grants are almost always tied. Strong words but true. I left feeling totally disillusioned and became self-employed.

[illuminumnuts]

You can bet your bottom dollar that THOUSANDS have probably been silenced because of subtle threats made about losing their kids to the system under one pretence or another.

[ozpixie]

I am not aware of any secret Family Court hearings in Oz.

[baron von lotsov]

Going by what you say, it seems to me Australia is not quite so advanced as the UK in social worker social engineering agendas. It's blatant over here, check out the Fathers 4 Justice website as that might give you and idea of what is happening.

http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/f4j/

No one listens and these fathers are putting themselves at risk of prison sentences for wanting to speak to their children. Fascism is too kind a word for it, but these superheroes take it in their stride like real men.

[cruise4]

A friend of mine recently had these busybodies get involved, along with the Police. By the end of it the police had been proven to be liars, the social workers were proven to be bumbling idiots, the psychologist was shown to be insane (to me), and the school was shown to be what I would call corrupt. The cause of the actual initial problem, who was a known and being watched paedophile was still at large, albeit the fool then incriminated himself yet again by trying to interfere with a witness, the kid again.

Now if my friend had not been restrained in the first place none of it would have happened and the paedophile would not be bothering underage kids again. If he hadn't stood up and faced these people, writing notes and recording everything, they could have walked all over his rights and believe me, they tried.

This is going on,

[baron von lotsov]

I am not aware of any secret Family Court hearings in Oz.

They are all secret in the UK. They decide the verdict before you walk in.

[leviathanstaar]

I think this was a stir up controversy over Icke mission.

Think before sending you a newsletter?

Who are you?

Oh and staying a member of a community who's inspired authoer you slag upon........is ridiculous.

It's like going into a Star Wars forum and making fun of starwars, it's just tacky.

I love to ask "debunkers" over at infowars/prisonplanet what they are still doing there.

In the same post I'll let them know that thier undying love for truth for mankind(lol), in what seems like thier unlimited spare time is not going to suffice as an answer for why they cannot leave the website of someone they loathe or think is fraud.

The number one response:

Absolutely nothing.

[ozpixie]

Two FC cases that spring to mind that defy comprehension (on my part).

1. This happened 2-3 years ago. After a divorce, a man discovered that two of the three children born within the marriage had been fathered by a a family friend as a result of a very long affair conducted between the wife and the friend. The wife had a bi-polar illness which became pivotal in the outcome.

The man was asking for a refund of all the child support he had paid over the years. The end result was that he did not get his refund but was allowed to not pay anymore money to the mother for the two that he had not fathered. The father of the children had since married and had a family with his wife and was required by the judge to support them (which seems fair enough to me).

The judge based his outcome on the fact that he did not believe the woman intended to deceive her husband and it was the illness that precipitated the actions, even though she was aware of the true paternity. The end result of this is very tragic in that the mother, the biological father and all three children have decided that this man is a villain for even going to court. No matter how I look at this unemotionally, I cannot see how the judge came up with such a cock-a-mamey decision.

2. In the past month there was another case where a father was awarded full time custody of two children who did not want to live with him, citing abuse and conflict with him. As I recall the children are aged 8 and 10. The reason given by the judge is that the mother 'did not work hard enough' to build a stronger relationship between the father and the kids.

Maybe I need to drink more flouridated water?

[doubledrop]

They are all secret in the UK. They decide the verdict before you walk in.

All court cases involving social services and children are in closed courts and it is correct that if the mother/father speaks about the court case to anyone (even her own family) they can be arrested.

Social Services are one of the most evil establishement I know, a very close family member has had so much shit from them just cos she was herself in care, thats easy pickings for social services, get someone already in the loop and keep the circle going.

Rather then helping young mothers who have had a shit childhood they deem them "unstable" the kid will be in threat of emotional abuse due to the problems the mother has had to experience (often because social services have fucked up their life)

Its a fact social services get money from the goverment to adopt children out, who better to pick them vunerable people. Its not as if they can talk about their miscarriages of justice when social services do fuck up!!

[baron von lotsov]

All court cases involving social services and children are in closed courts and it is correct that if the mother/father speaks about the court case to anyone (even her own family) they can be arrested.

Social Services are one of the most evil establishement I know, a very close family member has had so much shit from them just cos she was herself in care, thats easy pickings for social services, get someone already in the loop and keep the circle going.

Rather then helping young mothers who have had a shit childhood they deem them "unstable" the kid will be in threat of emotional abuse due to the problems the mother has had to experience (often because social services have fucked up their life)

Its a fact social services get money from the goverment to adopt children out, who better to pick them vunerable people. Its not as if they can talk about their miscarriages of justice when social services do fuck up!!


Yes and that is why I support Mr Icke for bringing this to a wider audience. I agree with everything you say there, and it is all easy to confirm. This racket seriously needs more exposure. I always refer to them as socialist services. It's a Great British oxymoron of the first degree.

[realitycheck]

Yes social workers do a great job. Icke somehow thinks that everybody who works in the 'system' is brainwashed and has an agenda. Far from the truth. Social workers have DAMN HARD JOBS, id like to see Mr icke spend a year being one.

[arty2000]

I would hope that the 14263 has time to read the full newsletter to get a complete picture of what was said;)

[baron von lotsov]

Yes social workers do a great job. Icke somehow thinks that everybody who works in the 'system' is brainwashed and has an agenda. Far from the truth. Social workers have DAMN HARD JOBS, id like to see Mr icke spend a year being one.

That's typical PTB speak. People on here know a bit more than that and can easily see that the lowly social worker is not running the show. They follow orders and so it is futile to blame the person following orders and sensible to blame the people who created the system.