What is the solution to the Israel situation?

[eternal_spirit]

Negotiations and suggestions have been made by politicians and religious leaders for peacfull solutions.

What is the future? will things get worse, or will there be peace?

[mark1963]

Just like in the UK (NI) the Israeli's have occupied a sovereign state. There needs to be much dialogue about this, but the peace negotiators in the past have avoided this most fundamental of issues. Not to mention the way that the Palestinians have been treated and slaughtered. Reparations need to be made and possibly Israel needs to find a new land. They will not do this because they are in the middle of Islamic lands and the people that run Israel (Rothschilds) want to cause friction and their ultimate goal is to foment war. They will use the ordinary (brainwashed) Israeli to do this.

[aitch]

There is only one effective way to find a solution to the Worlds problems ...... and that is to spend 2 years making 15,000 posts on the Internet !! ;)

Thankfully E_S has almost done that ...... so we should be on the verge of World Peace any day now !! :)

We all owe him a debt of gratitude !! :D

[eternal_spirit]

Easy solution leave the Jews alone, let them have Israel (it's already shared with some Christians and Muslims) Tourists from three faiths and even none religious people holiday there, there are many amazing buildings/architecture etc and peaceful spots. If it was bombed BIG time then the international community would react accordingly as they see justified.

The Palestinians could leave Palestine and move into the thousands of miles of Muslim (Shariah lands/countries) that surround Israel. Thye exclusively practice Islam in Saudi and other countries (no other religion is tolerated except Islam) double standards and hypocrisy

Why the hell stay in Palestine/Gazza? when the Israelis often treat them like shit and kill them? The could choose to move to places where they would be at one with their fellow Muslims.

But no they'd rather continue their Jihad on the Jews because it's urged by idiotic despotic Muslims and their leaders to turn the holy lands into yet another conquest for Muhammad and Allah, same as when they invaded and took over in the past (The Jewish religion was there first)

Too late for the Buddhists and Hindus of Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh/India to name a few return to their lands, Islam made sure of that.

Some Iranians want Islam out, they are Aryan people based on that culture and religion. Even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is probably Aryan, Islam and Jews invaded and took over and now try claim Iran's semitic Arabic roots (its bullshit ask some Iranian or Indian and they'll agree)
Also some are scared to leave Islam because of the penaltys for apostasy.

Some are religious fundamentalists who see Mahmoud as the Madhi returned.

[anthony1965]

Eternal Zionist has spoken.

[eternal_spirit]

Eternal Zionist has spoken.
:D So you got a better solution, they can carry on killing eachother?
dragging in other people into their nightmare.

Why does Islam need Israel when it has all that land outside of Palestine/Gazza? If I lived there I wouldn't hang around to be killed by the Israelis.

Anyone whose looked deep into both sides storys knows that both sides tell lies about oneanother.

[neoconsumer]

Israel has shown again and again that they've no interest in peace, they treat the Arabs as lesser humans and don't allow them the most basic of rights.


I'd like to say that the solution would be Israel withdrawing it's citizens and military from all settlements (leaving them, unmarked for Palestinians to occupy) and returning to the partition plan set out by the UN in 1947.

http://www.newjerseysolidarity.org/resources/maps/partitionarmistice.gif

Neither HAMAS nor the IDF should control the borders, but UN Troops instead should be placed as a neutral body to ensure both Arabs and Jews are able to travel freely and also to root out extremism on both sides.




That's my dream world scenario where everything works out ok, people can live in peace alongside each other and put the past behind them.

Sadly, the reality is a long way away - the Israeli's hate the Arabs (because they're elitists and see them as sub humans) and the Arabs hate the Israeli's (because they're murderers, oppressors - backed by the evil empire)


The hatred on one side is very justified, and so the only real solution is for that hatred to be galvanised and state sponsored - leading to a large scale conflict that forces the Israeli's out.


I don't view Israeli citizens as being the same as citizens in other countries - they are not innocent victims of their governments policy. They made the choice to move there, many of them in the settlements murder Arabs, they arm themselves heavily and often act with the same barbarity as the IDF towards the Arab peoples.


I don't respect them as human beings, because time and time again they do not act like human beings.

They're ideology is even more fucked up than that of the Arabs, they always try to paint themselves out to be the victims, and I get the impression that some of the Israeli people genuinely believe that they are the poor innocent victims in this (certainly the ones I've spoken to, it's like speaking to brainwashed Nazi SS)



It is there choice to live in a contested territory, they accept the newly built houses with swimming pools on Arab land and so when the Arab people say "enough is enough", I will have no sympathy for those allegedly "innocent" people that die.

They're armed to the teeth, you see them with fucking grenade belts as well as automatic rifles. These are not the "innocent civilians" that the western media paints them out to be.



To take the situation out of the middle east, and remove the religious argument which is really irrelevant anyway. (I can't move into Buckingham palace if I claim God promised it to me...)


Imagine England invaded Wales, they forced the entire population to live in Swansea - built a massive wall and had warships in the Bristol channel blocking all exits. They control the water, food and electricity. Everything that goes in and out of Swansea.

They regularly gun down Welsh people that throw rocks, the response to a rocket attack that kills a handful of English settlers is a full scale military operation that destroys schools, hospitals farmland thousands of homes - thousands of lives.


Then the English decide that's not enough, and they realise they've given the Welsh the Gower - which is actually quite lovely!

They then decide to move the British Army in to secure the nicest region of the Gower for English settlers to move into. The settlers, knowing the risks and hating the Welsh arm themselves and attack Welsh kids as they go to what's left of their schools.


All this is done, and backed the by the USA. All media is sympathetic towards the English and their struggle against the Welsh terrorist organisations.
The majority of Welsh people live in extreme poverty, many homeless unable to support their families, eveyone has lost someone in conflicts - 5 year old children finding their parents with their heads torn apart, scarred for life with horrors that no-one in the rest of the Western world could pretend to understand.

Peaceful protest is ignored, constant appeals to international bodies brushed aside. The options are sit down and die, or fight - fighting and resisting is the only way they can strike back at their enemy. They might as well die fighting, rather than wait to be gunned down by the SAS or mutilated by White Phosphorus shells.



Now imagine you're an English person, you have the opportunity to go and live in a new house - much nicer than your current home - in the Gower, many more people move into Pembrokeshire and the once Welsh nation of Wales is now fully English, with the Welsh people not allowed to leave Swansea - which is behind a massive Wall, military controlling all sides - even a naval blockade that occasionally uses the few people trying to enjoy what little they have on the beach as targets for artillery practice.



What would you do, do you try to convince yourself it's a "victimless crime"?
Say "Well, that's just the way that it is - borders move nations come and go".



Or do you feel appalled at what is happening - protest the government, and seeing that such protests are unheard leave the country for good?







I'd put money on 99.9% of people here - and normal British citizens going for the latter option. Most sane human beings would respond in the same manner.





Yet the Israeli's don't, much like the Nazi's their ideology is one of hatred towards all but the "supreme race". Many Jews have left Israel, disgraced by what the nation is.


Those that remain know what they are doing, and they are accountable for the actions taken by the Israeli state as by accepting properties in contested areas and turning a blind eye to the atrocities they are propping up the state. Although, there are a minority - that whilst still living in Israel do support peaceful solutions - there are even charity groups that help to build homes for the Palestinians, but like I said - a tiny minority who come under flak from the vast majority of Israeli's.



And so with this in mind, remembering that the war has always been raging - that Palestine is under a brutal and illegal military occupation the only realistic solution is for Muslim states to back the Palestinians people and to fight back effectively using a co-ordinated military. The Arab nations need to unite fast, or else it will be the end of them. Either stand together, or fall apart - America and Israel are carving up the middle east and they will spare no-one.



All those "but Icke says war meets more war" etc etc, bullshit "peace is the only way" people don't understand the situation.


How many decades are you going to stand behind those slogans whilst innocent people are massacred?


The Israeli's are not innocent, soldiers are not innocent.

The civilians dying across Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine are innocent - millions have been under attack for decades through war and sanction.


In a dream world - it's nice to talk about peaceful solutions.


In the real world, there are no peaceful solutions and I have thousands of years of human history that proves this to be correct. You mention people like Gandhi not realising that there were still militants attacking the British, it's the people that fight that drive out the oppressors.


You have to fight fascism, you have to fight oppression and evil wherever it is. People lose their lives in the most horrendous ways, and it causes a great deal of grief and suffering - but it's for the right reasons for once.


How many millions are already dying and suffering for the sake of the evil and corrupt minorities that run most of the world?



The only solution is armed resistance, they have guns, tanks, bomber planes - so the Palestinians need the same. They Arab people owe it to their brothers across the middle east to unite - put aside the sunni shi'ite differences and fight the common enemy before your segregation finishes you off for good.



Much like across the whole world, the people united could defeat their enemies in the blink of an eye - they just need to realise their power is in unity and co-ordination. They already know their enemy.

[the cosmos]

Negotiations and suggestions have been made by politicians and religious leaders for peacfull solutions.

What is the future? will things get worse, or will there be peace?

The only solution is for israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. But this won't happen in a hurry. :(

[lizzy]

Just like in the UK (NI) the Israeli's have occupied a sovereign state. There needs to be much dialogue about this, but the peace negotiators in the past have avoided this most fundamental of issues. Not to mention the way that the Palestinians have been treated and slaughtered. Reparations need to be made and possibly Israel needs to find a new land. They will not do this because they are in the middle of Islamic lands and the people that run Israel (Rothschilds) want to cause friction and their ultimate goal is to foment war. They will use the ordinary (brainwashed) Israeli to do this.

yes, that is told right here......

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[sir nob jerkoff]

The only solution is for israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. But this won't happen in a hurry. :(

Not by destruction, I'd say, but by being disbanded and shrunk back gradually until *POP* it disappears completely, like a bad dream.

[eternal_spirit]

You all miss one point Muslims hatred for Jews is centuries old and from the Koran (they just use the Israel excuse) to fool those who are ingorant of this fact.
So let's not make out this is something new

If you fail to take this into consideration I will not debate.

How many quotes will it take from top relgious Muslim leaders (recent ones about how all the Jews should be killed (they are not talking about just Zionists)

[eternal_spirit]

The only solution is for israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. But this won't happen in a hurry. :(
What about history? the Jewish religion was there first, Islam attacked and invaded centuries ago, this is relevant in the minds of some Jews and justifys their right to take back that land.

So why are people on here calling for the Israel to be wiped off the map? Christains, Jews and Muslims live there and tourists from all over the world visit.

You may as well say all the countries Islam has invaded and taken over (offensive Jihad not defensive) should give it back to the indigenous people and let them go back to their own none semitic arabic cultures and kick the Islamic religion back to Mecca.

[eternal_spirit]

Point is the Jews are not leaving. So, it's more death for both sides, or find a solution.

[rodin]

How about start with demanding nuclear inspections in Israel?

Then a quick international operation to see what really happened to the undersea cables?

for starters

[neoconsumer]

How about start with demanding nuclear inspections in Israel?

That'd certainly be on the right tracks.

I mean weapons of mass destruction in the middle east!? - we had better send in our boys and disarm them good and proper! :p



In reality, the sad truth is that Israel is not really the problem - it's just a little client state that has been reliant on foreign aid it's whole existence.


The problem, and the cause of 80% of the worlds problems is that land mass the other side of the Atlantic. The United States of America.

Without the USA, there would be no Israel - the USA has given Israel everything it has. BILLION$ every year is gifted to the Israeli's and subsequently - goes straight back to the USA as the money is used to buy US weapons. Israel is gifted US war planes, and weapons from time to time - but even then it continues to spend the majority of it's wealth on more arms, and more arms and more and more and more. A very small country, with the backing of the US has been allowed to become very rich and powerful to tip the balance of power across the whole middle east.

There are 150 nations larger than Israel (which is only 8,000 square miles) yet it has the 4th most powerful military in the world. It is the biggest threat to peace and stability in the middle east - but without the backing of the United States it would be nothing.


The U.N. has again and again shown, that the rest of the world are against Israel. I'd go as far as to say, that in the rest of the world we're enemies of Israel - we see them for the Nazi's that they are. The only nation that props it up is the United States and quite naturally the vast majority of this planet hates the United States too.


The best case scenario for this whole fucking planet - is that awake citizens in the United States, take things into their own hands and end the empire. They need to restore their constitutional republic and re-establish the government to serve the people within the constraints of the constitution.

I do often make quite long posts, but I don't have it in me to go through the endless benefits that the end of the U.S. global empire would bring to the world.

I mean, there wouldn't be world peace overnight - but fuck me it would solve a lot of problems. The heart of corporate rulership over the globe is in the United States - the American way is pushed across the rest of the world until no-one can tell the difference. McDonalds and Coca Cola and brain dead idiots everywhere who don't know what fucking planet they are on.


Most problems around the world can be tied to the United States, directly or indirectly. There have been massive empires before, which have risen up and fallen - some global empires have brought a few benefits with them - but those benefits have been massively outweighed by the genocide and slavery that come along with them. It's the same with the United States - it needs to be destroyed and humanity needs to learn that centralised power never does any good. No more global empires - power needs to be broken up into small pieces and returned to it's rightful owners; the people.


If another revolution could take place in America, paralysing all it's operations abroad. Stopping not only the military industrial complex, but the financial, business and corporate sectors we could have a "new world order" to our tune. One of independence for every nation and people, diversity with mutual respect for each others cultures and laws - a peaceful co-existence between all nations. The United Nations could actually be used to do good, not a one world government - but a forum encouraging regular open discussion between all governments based upon respect, understanding and peace.


Replacing one world order with another doesn't do any good. I'm not religious and I agree with many here on the evils of religion - but I don't for a second want to live in a world where religions are discriminated or even banned.

The whole point is freedom, people should be free to do as they please so long as they are not harming others. (harm in very real ways, you might say preachers harm their flock by giving them a false perception of the world - but people make a free choice to listen and believe. With a fair education and no discrimination, people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want to believe. There will always be religion, religion itself is not evil - it's just like everything else and is manipulated for the purposes of evil instead of good)


Wandering a bit off track now, but I do think it's important to realise that the real enemy is the United States. Without the U.S. Government there wouldn't be such a bloody situation in the middle east right now.


Tens of millions would be alive and prosperous instead of dead, leaving family and friends bitter, full of hate and in a state of desperation.

[anthony1965]

What about history? the Jewish religion was there first, Islam attacked and invaded centuries ago, this is relevant in the minds of some Jews and justifys their right to take back that land.

So why are people on here calling for the Israel to be wiped off the map? Christains, Jews and Muslims live there and tourists from all over the world visit.

You may as well say all the countries Islam has invaded and taken over (offensive Jihad not defensive) should give it back to the indigenous people and let them go back to their own none semitic arabic cultures and kick the Islamic religion back to Mecca.

You really are a zionist. :(

Do you think most of the Jews in Israel descend from the Jews of Biblical times?

Solutions for Israel / Palestine?

No.

I'd like to know the real reason why this little piece of land is so incredibly important.

The bad guys seem to loathe Jesus Christ. My belief is that Christianity has been hijacked long, long ago. Jesus was in this part of the world for a reason. And if you read his words then you will get a pretty good blueprint for standing up to evil.

[the cosmos]

What about history? the Jewish religion was there first, Islam attacked and invaded centuries ago, this is relevant in the minds of some Jews and justifys their right to take back that land.

So why are people on here calling for the Israel to be wiped off the map? Christains, Jews and Muslims live there and tourists from all over the world visit.

You may as well say all the countries Islam has invaded and taken over (offensive Jihad not defensive) should give it back to the indigenous people and let them go back to their own none semitic arabic cultures and kick the Islamic religion back to Mecca.

The israel i'm talking about which should be wiped away is the marxist israel system, and it's players, and instigators.

Here's something to read

The Life of an American Jew
in Racist Marxist Israel

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

[amaralsright]

What about history? the Jewish religion was there first

This is crap.

The Amalekites and Midianites were there first.

Also the Egyptians occupied a portion of it before the time the Bible says the Jews wandered in the desert for 40 years.

I think the Zionists should be made to live in the Sinai desert.

[eternal_spirit]

This is crap.

The Amalekites and Midianites were there first.

Also the Egyptians occupied a portion of it before the time the Bible says the Jews wandered in the desert for 40 years.

I think the Zionists should be made to live in the Sinai desert.
Regardless the Jewish religion was there before Islam that much is true and factual.

[hadabusa]

nuke it

[eternal_spirit]

So any solutions (now you've all had your anti Jewish rants?)

[stelios]

In my view the only way to achieve an amicable solution is a TOTAL BOYCOTT OF ALL ISRAELI GOODS AND SERVICES
Trade Sanctions would help as they did help to a degree in South Africa.
Like in South Africa where despite majority rule for the indigenous people the colonial AshkeNazis still control all the wealth. One family the Oppenheimers alone control 80% of the JoBurg stock market.

So once zionism ends, the AshkeNazis will still control much of the economy as they do today.

Only when control of Israel starts to burn holes in the pockets of our Khazar masters will they look for an exit strategy.

Problem is, British Gas found a massive pocket of Natural Gas off the coast of Gaza so the zionists aint planning to leave anytime soon.

[eternal_spirit]

Yeah but but but Jewishness is a religion not a race same as Islam is.

[amaralsright]

So any solutions (now you've all had your anti Jewish rants?)

No.. anti-Zionist.

[neoconsumer]

So any solutions (now you've all had your anti Jewish rants?)

I did mention a fair solution before going on an "anti-Jewish rant" (though of course, that's not really what it was if you read it properly)




Israel and all it's forces should withdraw from Arab land to the territory it was granted in the 1947 UN partition plan.

The Arabs get massive chunks of good land back, Israel still exists as a Jewish state. Both should be treated as equals and the UN should step in to ensure the de-militarisation of the whole region, ensuring peace and stability.

[oioioi]

1 state? Nah
2 state? Pfft
No state? Oh yes!

[amaralsright]

Israel and all it's forces should withdraw from Arab land to the territory it was granted in the 1947 UN partition plan.stability.

How about the UN/USA force Israel like they forced Iraq.

[kappy0405]

Split Israel into two states.. a North and South state with the border running East/West through Jerusalem, which will be considered a neutral zone.

The Northern part of Israel already has a strong Arab population, & the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank is primarily North of Jerusalem already. So it makes sense that N. Israel would be for the Palestinians, and S. Israel for the Zionists. This would also allow the Palestinians to work with Lebanon to rebuild the land and move out of the stone age. It would also allow for the shipment of resources into their state unrestricted by Zionists.

The only two issues would be (1) moving Israel out of their Jewish-only settlements in the West Bank and (2) moving the Palestinians out of Gaza into the North.

The border region and especially Jerusalem could be placed under UN security until the two states prove they can handle living peacefully together within the city.

[the cosmos]

Not by destruction, I'd say, but by being disbanded and shrunk back gradually until *POP* it disappears completely, like a bad dream.

100% correct

[neoconsumer]

How about the UN/USA force Israel like they forced Iraq.

I can't say I understand your comparison with Iraq?

The US invaded Iraq as part of a wider conquest aimed at controlling all the vital resources of the world outside of Russia. Which is a totally different situation to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Essentially Israel is invading Palestine and actively committing genocide, intent on the destruction of Palestine altogether.


However, I do agree that the UN should force Israel to comply with it's legislation. Strikes against military targets are necessary - they need to be shown that it is a case of Israel and the United States vs The Rest of The World!


They are free to run a state however they see fit within their (1947) borders, but they should expect conflict if they continue on their current path, intent on the destruction of Palestine and the Palestinian people.


I for one believe the UN should have more power, if it's 100+ countries versus the US and Israel then it's the US and Israel that should concede - not the rest of the world!

[edelweiss pirate]

Yeah but but but Jewishness is a religion not a race same as Islam is.

You're misinformed.

Jews believe they are a race.

The chosen race no less.

Otherwise why the fuss about Israel and the promised land for the chosen people.

BTW The Isrealis and Jews and Hebrews ALL come from initiate degrees in an Egyptian secret society.

Judaism IS a secret society.

Whether you want to argue with them is up to you.

[anthony1965]

So any solutions (now you've all had your anti Jewish rants?)

Anti-Jewish rants.

All of us?

You little zionist word twister.

You spout your evil bile against the muslims day in day out.

You're not interested in any solution in Israel. Or are you looking for another final solution? The zionists had their dirty hands in the nazi version. Now they are perpetrating their own.

The Palestinian arabs, muslims and christians alike, were robbed of their land, of their homes, of their dignity, of their lives, and probably of their hope.

And you expect them to just push off and leave their ancestral lands to the invaders? Who of course were supported by the British zionists.

Zionists are not Jews. You know that very well.

There are many Jews who reject zionism. There are jews who campaign for the rights of the palestinians.

You are a zionist eternal.

[eternal_spirit]

You're misinformed.

Jews believe they are a race.

The chosen race no less.

Otherwise why the fuss about Israel and the promised land for the chosen people.

BTW The Isrealis and Jews and Hebrews ALL come from initiate degrees in an Egyptian secret society.

Judaism IS a secret society.

Whether you want to argue with them is up to you.
Yes I know the different beliefs.
people can convert to Judaism (maybe they are chosen or asked?) and have been for centuries. Although there is still the inbreeding arranged marriages issue (for those Jews who think it's a race)

But that's for the Jews to decide whatever I say probably wouldn't change their minds.

Talmud and Kabbalah prob came out of Egypt and may have been the start of Judaism, but even then their may have been a mixed race bunch of Jews.

Anti-Jewish rants.

All of us?

You little zionist word twister.

You spout your evil bile against the muslims day in day out.

You're not interested in any solution in Israel. Or are you looking for another final solution? The zionists had their dirty hands in the nazi version. Now they are perpetrating their own.

The Palestinian arabs, muslims and christians alike, were robbed of their land, of their homes, of their dignity, of their lives, and probably of their hope.

And you expect them to just push off and leave their ancestral lands to the invaders? Who of course were supported by the British zionists.

Zionists are not Jews. You know that very well.

There are many Jews who reject zionism. There are jews who campaign for the rights of the palestinians.

You are a zionist eternal.
No you are putting flase labels on me, used to call me an anti semite Nazi (oh lol another false label) even though I told you my family history, shame on you.

I suggest you find out the history of Islam and educate yourself and see how hypocritcal they are, one example what happend and is still happening to the Hindus/buddhists/Christians of Bangladesh/Pakistan. Another how Turkey was Islamised. But your Muslim Turkish buddies will probably lie, so check out some other sources I have many links.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555481&postcount=17

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555481&postcount=17

Islamic hypocrisy they have taken and continue taking Hindus lands. Not to mention the islamisation of Europe and many other countries (by Mass immigration)

[anthony1965]

A solution to the Israel / Palestine issue?

When the Israelis and Palestinians learn the truth about the history of the foundation of Israel.

When both sides learn that they have been cheated by the same small group of zionist/satanist bullshitters.

When they get wise to the divide and rule of the elite.

When the voice of moderate jews is given air time in the global media.

I can't see much hope right now, but as always, the majority of good people on both sides are led astray by a minority of evil fuckers.

And their shitstirring supporters....

[anthony1965]

Yes I know the different beliefs.
people can convert to Judsiam and have been for centuries. Although their is still the inbreeding arranged marriages issue (for those who think it's a race)

But that's for the Jews to decide whatever I say probably wouldn't change their minds.

Talmud and Kabbalah prob came out of Egypt and may have been the start of Judaism, but even then their may have been a mixed race bunch of Jews.


No you are putting flase labels on me, used to call me an anti semite Nazi (oh lol another false label) even though I told you my family history, shame on you.

I suggest you find out the history of Islam and educate yourself and see how hypocritcal they are, one example what happend to the Hindus of Bangladesh/Pakistan. Another how Turkey was Islamised. But you Muslim Turkish buddies will probably lie.

I never called you an anti-semitic nazi.

I called you a nazi.

You stir up hatred against jews when it fits your agenda.

The zionists have been promoting anti-semitism for a long time.

You are a zionist.

Prove me wrong. :)

Tell me what you think of zionism.

[eternal_spirit]

Anthony go read my previous post I added to it please read the links.
NO - No I believe Germany's version of what happened during the war and why there was war I had family on both sides. So the Nazi label is lies. You're nor pulling your bullshit and lies on me again MR.

So have you any solutions like some of the other have posted some interesting ideas. :)

[runciter]

eternal spirit supports the ethnic cleansing of palestine :)

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/netanyahu.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=17 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555481&postcount=17)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=17 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555481&postcount=17)

Islamic hypocrisy they have taken and continue taking Hindus lands and others. Not to mention the Islamisation of Europe and many other countries (by Mass immigration)
read the links and see I have a point.

[marpat]

Eternal Zionist has spoken.

But he has a point. Many peope get displaced and thrive elsewhere. Look at the pilgrims to the US, or people getting chased out of tibet, etc. There are many examples of people leaving their original homelands to live elsewhere and in the middle east there are many muslim countries that they could live in. Lets face it, they have a common language and religion so they would fit right in. Just because people are born in a particular country it does not follow that they have to live and die there, or makes their families suffer for living there when they could live in better conditions. If I lived in a country that was torn by terrorism and death but where I could cross a border and live in a peaceful country where they speak the same language and had the same religion then I would be gone.

[marpat]

eternal spirit supports the ethnic cleansing of palestine :)

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/netanyahu.jpg

Its only ethnic cleanising if they kill them all. If the palestinians moved away it is not ethnic cleansing. Why should they chose to live there in those conditions? a long time ago in Britain certain religious groups were repressed and moved to America. Did it harm them to do that? can you think of any reason why they should not move to a better place? personally I think it will be because the other muslim nations do not want to take responsibility for these people

[runciter]

Its only ethnic cleanising if they kill them all. If the palestinians moved away it is not ethnic cleansing.

Ethnic cleansing

Ethnic cleansing is a term that has come to be used broadly to describe all forms of ethnically-motivated violence, ranging from murder, rape, and torture to the forcible removal of populations. A 1993 United Nations Commission defined it more specifically as, "the planned deliberate removal from a specific territory, persons of a particular ethnic group, by force or intimidation, in order to render that area ethnically homogenous." The term entered English and international media usage in the early 1990s to describe war events in the former Yugoslavia.

The term ethnic cleansing is not to be confused with genocide. These terms are not synonymous, yet the academic discourse considers both as existing in a spectrum of assaults on nations or religio-ethnic groups. Simply put, ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or 'population transfer' whereas genocide is the "intentional murder of part or all of a particular ethnic, religious, or national group." The idea in ethnic cleansing is "to get people to move, and the means used to this end range from the legal to the semi-legal." Some academics consider genocide as a subset of "murderous ethnic cleansing." Thus, these concepts are different, but related, "literally and figuratively, ethnic cleansing bleeds into genocide, as mass murder is committed in order to rid the land of a people."

Synonyms include ethnic purification.

Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[marpat]

Ethnic cleansing

Ethnic cleansing is a term that has come to be used broadly to describe all forms of ethnically-motivated violence, ranging from murder, rape, and torture to the forcible removal of populations. A 1993 United Nations Commission defined it more specifically as, "the planned deliberate removal from a specific territory, persons of a particular ethnic group, by force or intimidation, in order to render that area ethnically homogenous." The term entered English and international media usage in the early 1990s to describe war events in the former Yugoslavia.

The term ethnic cleansing is not to be confused with genocide. These terms are not synonymous, yet the academic discourse considers both as existing in a spectrum of assaults on nations or religio-ethnic groups. Simply put, ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or 'population transfer' whereas genocide is the "intentional murder of part or all of a particular ethnic, religious, or national group." The idea in ethnic cleansing is "to get people to move, and the means used to this end range from the legal to the semi-legal." Some academics consider genocide as a subset of "murderous ethnic cleansing." Thus, these concepts are different, but related, "literally and figuratively, ethnic cleansing bleeds into genocide, as mass murder is committed in order to rid the land of a people."

Synonyms include ethnic purification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

But there are still a lot of Palestinians over there. If Israel wanted they could easily drive them out by force

So if this is the case why do they wish to remain there and live like this?

[runciter]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=17 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555481&postcount=17)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=17 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555481&postcount=17)

Islamic hypocrisy they have taken and continue taking Hindus lands amnd others. Not to mention the islamisation of Europe and many other countries (by Mass immigration)
read the links and see I have a point.

you have no conscience.

[runciter]

But there are still a lot of Palestinians over there. If Israel wanted they could easily drive them out by force

So if this is the case why do they wish to remain there and live like this?

hey marpat, why aren't you addressing the guys who are persecuting them and stealing their land?

[velma]

The apartheid Zionist State is a failed experiment. Israel was a man, never a place, a man called Jacob whose son's became known as Israelites. It should be renamed Palestine again and Jews, Muslims and Christians should form a democratic nation representing all the people who live there and co-exist peacefully thereafter.

[eternal_spirit]

you have no conscience.
read the links? thought not. (you have no conscience) those links and the people of those countries have been treated the same and far worse than the Islraelis' treat Palestinians and on a far larger scale.


Which proves Islamic hypocrisy.

[decim]

Neptune is free...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:bEaNgZKv9eCHiM:http://www.worldalmanacforkids.com/art/neptune.jpg

Flybe...

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Ap4-s67-50531.jpg

Humanity...Right now where were we?...oh yes....

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/earth_1_apollo17.gif

[runciter]

read the links? thought not. (you have no conscience) those links and the people of those countries have been treated the same and far worse than the Islraelis' treat Palestinians and on a far larger scale.


Which proves Islamic hypocrisy.

it shows your hypocrisy, considering that you support that kind of crimes when they are committed by the israelis.

[anthony1965]

Anthony go read my previous post I added to it please read the links.
NO - No I believe Germany's version of what happened during the war and why there was war I had family on both sides. So the Nazi label is lies. You're nor pulling your bullshit and lies on me again MR.

So have you any solutions like some of the other have posted some interesting ideas. :)

I will read the links.

See my post 34 in this thread for the only solutions I can see to such a terribly fucked up situation, but the creation of Israel out of Palestine had a purpose which I believe to be luciferian/satanic and will continue to play a key role in global developments.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058555759&postcount=34

Calling you a nazi is libel and bullshit says the man who had an SS man as his avatar.

Do you object to being called a nazi?

Is this because you distance yourself from the nazis and their crimes?

You had family on both sides?

I've lived in Germany for 12 years. I'm married to a German. I have german children, german friends. I love this country and its people, or most of the ones I've met so far. I've always been treated with grteat courtesy.

I've spoken to war veterans. I was in hospital for a week once and my room mates both served in the war, one in Russia and one as a boy soldier in Germany at the end of the war. I've talked about the war with many people and I don't spout winston's version of the war.

I know people whose families were displaced in the war.

I once met a survivor of Auschwitz and I regret very much that I didn't arrange to meet him again to discuss his experiences. he got fuck all compensation by the way.

I know people whose fathers and grandfathers were in the SS. My wife recently met an old man who was a pilot in the war and a member of the SS. I might get the chance to meet him one day.

In 2009 I read about Monte Cassino, Dieppe, Normandy, the battle of the Hurtgen forest, Bastogne.

I try to find out about the war from all possible perspectives.

** You believe "Germany's version of what happened in the war?

I think you'll find that there are a great many versions of what happened in world war two.

[eternal_spirit]

it shows your hypocrisy, considering that you support that kind of crimes when they are committed by the israelis.
Why make shit up. Where have I said I support Isreals crimes, do you support Hammas and crimes commited by them on Jews. It's like me saying you support Islamisation and death of Hindus, Buddhist, Christians witches, etc etc by Muslims and vast take overs of their lands and destruction of their relgions and cultures.

Read my posts I am suggesting solutions to end the bullshit.

[runciter]

Why make shit up. It's like me saying you support Islamisation and death of Hindus, Buddhist, Christuabsm witches, etc etc by Muslims and vast take overs of their lands and destruction of their relgions and cultures.

Read my posts I am suggesting solutions to end the bullshit.

just tell me simply if you're suggesting an ethnic cleansing, if you do you're also supporting israeli crimes.

[kappy0405]

hey marpat, why aren't you addressing the guys who are persecuting them and stealing their land?

Because 'the Jews were there first'!! And then the Romans kicked them out, therefore Muslims are big jerks, even though they allowed Jews back in peacefully after they took the land back from the Romans. [/sarcasm]

It should be renamed Palestine again and Jews, Muslims and Christians should form a democratic nation representing all the people who live there and co-exist peacefully thereafter.

Zionists would consider that regressive, since that's basically how it was before they showed up... when Palestine was under Ottoman/Muslim rule.

[amaralsright]

Because 'the Jews were there first'!!

No they were not!

The Amalekites, Midianites, Philistines, Caananites, Egyptians were all there before them.

[anthony1965]

But he has a point. Many peope get displaced and thrive elsewhere. Look at the pilgrims to the US, or people getting chased out of tibet, etc. There are many examples of people leaving their original homelands to live elsewhere and in the middle east there are many muslim countries that they could live in. Lets face it, they have a common language and religion so they would fit right in. Just because people are born in a particular country it does not follow that they have to live and die there, or makes their families suffer for living there when they could live in better conditions. If I lived in a country that was torn by terrorism and death but where I could cross a border and live in a peaceful country where they speak the same language and had the same religion then I would be gone.

So you and eternal spirit are in agreement about the zionists right to throw out the population of Palestine to create a jewish state based on biblical texts but with a jewish population who are mainly descended from khazaria.

I didn't think you were so religious marpat.

But of course this was only possible because of the influence of the rothschilds and the connivance of the British government.

Someone recently posted a map of Palestine showing the Israeli land grabs. Your logic is apparently that the Israelis should get the rest of the Palestinian territories.

The Palestinians still have some land which is their's and their's by right.

And would Israel stop there?

Aren't their claims to a "greater Israel"?

** Has anyone else noticed the title of this thread? A solution to the Israeli situation? It used to be referred to as the "Palestinian problem".

[rodin]

History lesson

There were no Jews in Jesus time. Its a relatively modern term to describe Judeans

The name Jew was coined to bring in the Orcs from Khazaria

That said how to fix Israel without fixing the world as well? Seems Thelma had the most humane solution. But it would not work. Present day Zionist/Communist/fascist Judaism would never allow it.

There is no good answer now. First the democratic masses would have to throw the Jews out of exclusive power in their own countries. Then Jews have a choice - get back in the game of humanity starting with a new and fair and level playing field with no secret plotting possible, or choose exclusivity - they can have Israel. But they will have to make it work under their own steam not suck the West dry with blackmail.

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Palestinians get some serious quality real estate, maybe some of Israel and Jordan. And THEY get grants etc to make up for all the shit they have taken. The entire region to be disarmed except for personal defence as per US constitution - etc etc

[illuminumnuts]

I am for a two state solution and am sure it is possible. Unfortunately, I don't think the Israeli PTB have any interest in peace with the Palestinians.

[kappy0405]

No they were not!

The Amalekites, Midianites, Philistines, Caananites, Egyptians were all there before them.

I was being sarcastic! thought it was obvious, sorry.. :o

[marpat]

hey marpat, why aren't you addressing the guys who are persecuting them and stealing their land?

Do they actually own the land? ownership of land is a man made concept. People belong to the earth, not the other way round. They can move to a better place, nobody forces them to stay where they are. If it were me I would move.

Your mentality seems to be that if you are born somewhere you have some inherent right to always exist there with no troubles but that is not how it is in the real world and has no real basis in nature.

[marpat]

So you and eternal spirit are in agreement about the zionists right to throw out the population of Palestine to create a jewish state based on biblical texts but with a jewish population who are mainly descended from khazaria.

I didn't think you were so religious marpat.

But of course this was only possible because of the influence of the rothschilds and the connivance of the British government.

Someone recently posted a map of Palestine showing the Israeli land grabs. Your logic is apparently that the Israelis should get the rest of the Palestinian territories.

The Palestinians still have some land which is their's and their's by right.

And would Israel stop there?

Aren't their claims to a "greater Israel"?

** Has anyone else noticed the title of this thread? A solution to the Israeli situation? It used to be referred to as the "Palestinian problem".

Tell you what, if you feel so passionately about it go and fight for them.

My logic? stating that people migrate in times of turmoil and that migration has often been used to build new lives? there are other countries where such problems exist yet people only bitch on about Palestine. The reason for that is the very strong anti-jewish sentiments in this very forum.

By what right do they actually own the land then? that is a false concept designed to give those in power control over populations.

How does my statement have any bearing on religion?

[kappy0405]

they don't 'own' the land, but as you even suggested, they have a right to live where they want in peace. The Israeli government is a man-made concept as well, and they don't have the right to exploit the land and oppress the people living there.

Can they move? Yes
Should they have to? No

[angelthecat]

Dress up the all politians and all religous leaders and Royalty as gladiators and put them into an arena, give them 40mins to come up with a solution, after 40mins start shooting at thier feet and let them know that you will stop shooting when they fight each other to the death or find the answer, I can assure you that this fictional divide will come to an end within any time-frame that has been set. Then keep them under armed guard, in chains and behind bars (this will be usful for settling all of the worlds situations) keep poking them with sticks until they show the signs of the misery which they have, collaborated to, inflict on the rest of the population of the world.
I know this sounds silly for such a serious question but I guaranty it would work, be cost effective, raise lots of money in TV rights, reach the highest ever ratings and nobody would get voted out of the arena, which is good because when people get voted off they get so upset that they always cry, and who wants to see a grown elite cry?:eek:

:D

[marpat]

they don't 'own' the land, but as you even suggested, they have a right to live where they want in peace. The Israeli government is a man-made concept as well, and they don't have the right to exploit the land and oppress the people living there.

Can they move? Yes
Should they have to? No

sometimes there is no other real option

[yellowbentine]

Tim Minchin - Peace Anthem For Palestine - YouTube

says it all.

[rodin]

Tell you what, if you feel so passionately about it go and fight for them.

My logic? stating that people migrate in times of turmoil and that migration has often been used to build new lives? there are other countries where such problems exist yet people only bitch on about Palestine. The reason for that is the very strong anti-jewish sentiments in this very forum.

By what right do they actually own the land then? that is a false concept designed to give those in power control over populations.

How does my statement have any bearing on religion?

What would you do if bandits came in took over where you lived and pushed you out because they claimed they had the deeds to your land but you knew they were criminal liars?

[amaralsright]

What would you do if bandits came in took over where you lived and pushed you out because they claimed they had the deeds to your land but you knew they were criminal liars?

Indeed.

What would the British have done if the Germans invaded in 1941?

Would the British be terrorists?

[anthony1965]

What would you do if bandits came in took over where you lived and pushed you out because they claimed they had the deeds to your land but you knew they were criminal liars?

Marpat would ask them if they had any openings for quislings....

[eternal_spirit]

So you and eternal spirit are in agreement about the zionists right to throw out the population of Palestine to create a jewish state based on biblical texts but with a jewish population who are mainly descended from khazaria.
No, I don't agree. That's nothing like what either me or Marpat posted.

I said
The Palestinians could leave Palestine and move into the thousands of miles of Muslim (Shariah lands/countries) that surround Israel.

For their own safety thus solving the problems resulting in a solution.

So why haven't any Muslim leaders or countries suggested this? I'm sure Israel has and offered (aid packages and donations "money" to help the Palestinians re settle elsewhere.

It is also a religious issue to some Muslims. Making it a one race issue is a no brainer either. Not all the "Jews or Muslims" in the holy lands are of one race.

It's primarily a religious and political issue
Palestinians are funded and have people from other "countries races involved there."

And how much breeding from other countries has gone on over the years and what mix of races existed in the holy lands throughout history.

** Has anyone else noticed the title of this thread? A solution to the Israeli situation? It used to be referred to as the "Palestinian problem".
No that's just your pro Islamic slant. Sounds better than anti semitic slant? Because that's probably what I'll be accused of calling you.

[curtaincat]

the only solution is to realise that religion is divide and conquer...therefore religion sucks.

but nobody will/ seems to real - ize that.

[eternal_spirit]

The land taken from Palestinians by Jews, the Jews should leave is another suggestion. Where do they go, is there enough room for them in Israel/Jerusalem, Jewish quater - or close by?

[eternal_spirit]

Imagine living there, homes are being bulldozed demolished and the invaders are taking that land and building homes for themselves and all the other bad things that may happen and do to you and your friends/family.

If you where offered the chance to go live some where better and peacefull away from Palestine, I think I would leave.

[flickflack]

History lesson

There were no Jews in Jesus time.



Even Jesus himself was a Jew. What is it you have come up with now, Rodin? :confused:

[neutrino]

The only route now that can salvage anything from this situation is to allow Palestine to create it's own state/country on the land they have left. Allow peacekeeping troops into the country from Europe to oversee the creation of a wall along the Israel Palestine border and make sure it remains on the correct path of the border. The wall will be controlled by the peacekeeping force for at least a decade.

[dreamweaver]

The only route now that can salvage anything from this situation is to allow Palestine to create it's own state/country on the land they have left. Allow peacekeeping troops into the country from Europe to oversee the creation of a wall along the Israel Palestine border and make sure it remains on the correct path of the border. The wall will be controlled by the peacekeeping force for at least a decade.

From a pragmatic point of view, that has long seemed to be the best option.

I'm now moving away from that because after 20 years of the "two state solution" being seen as the answer, the situation is no closer to peace than it was at the start of the intifada.

I'm coming back to the idea that the only answer is a single secular state after all. Israel just doesn't do "peaceful co-existence".

[rodin]

Even Jesus himself was a Jew. What is it you have come up with now, Rodin? :confused:

No the term 'Jew' is quite modern. Or so I have read

[illuminumnuts]

after 20 years of the "two state solution" being seen as the answer

Do you think that the Israeli PTB have ever seen that as the answer?

[flickflack]

No the term 'Jew' is quite modern. Or so I have read

The term may be, but not the religion. I think this is something we can agree on, for once. ;)

[dreamweaver]

Do you think that the Israeli PTB have ever seen that as the answer?

Not really. It was a mistake for the PLO to ever think that they would, really. "Land for Peace" was always conditional on Israel maintaining the upper hand.

[neutrino]

From a pragmatic point of view, that has long seemed to be the best option.

I'm now moving away from that because after 20 years of the "two state solution" being seen as the answer, the situation is no closer to peace than it was at the start of the intifada.

I'm coming back to the idea that the only answer is a single secular state after all. Israel just doesn't do "peaceful co-existence".

It just needs some outside source with some muscle to actually come out and TELL Israel what to do instead of letting Israel do what it wants. As long as Israel is allowed to do and say what it wants it will not give any leeway and will continue to assimilate Palestine into Israel.
As soon as someone with some brass balls like China/Russia/US/EU comes out and says you WILL do this then Israel will cave in and do it. They're not immune to international pressure and will know when they're getting their asses well and truly spanked by the big boys.

[illuminumnuts]

Not really. It was a mistake for the PLO to ever think that they would, really. "Land for Peace" was always conditional on Israel maintaining the upper hand.

Maybe the regular sheeple of Israel need liberating from the glorified PTB sheeple of Israel. Then, the people of Israel can think for themselves and future Israeli policy will be genuinely representative of the majority of the Israeli population. They say democracy - non-existent in the world today - is the tyranny of the majority, and it is, but it is infinitely better than tyranny of the minority. You can of course apply the same logic to all countries, but the biggest problems are where religious fairy tales have a strong foothold. This is especially the case in Israel.

[velma]

Jesus was a Galilean and he said, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Rev - 2:9)

[kappy0405]

Israel should be split in to two (north and south) with the border running East to West from just north of Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.. Jerusalem should be a nuetral zone under UN/NATO security for a while.

Southern Israel given to the Zionists.
Northern Israel given to the Native Palestinians.

Most Israeli Arabs are already in the Northern part of the state. We'd just have to move the Gazans to the North and move the Jews out of the Northern half of the West Bank.

Case solved - Zionists have to go cry in the corner and sulk over only being able to steal some of the land they wanted, and the Palestinians get their freedom. Sounds good to me.

[marpat]

What would you do if bandits came in took over where you lived and pushed you out because they claimed they had the deeds to your land but you knew they were criminal liars?

There are only two options, fight or flight. Possession of land is based on the fundamental right of who has the most force to dominate others. You cant put a deed of the natural world

We could say that any claim to land is based on a criminal lie. People only own land by enforcing control of it, the people on the land are just there to be taxed and used. If you dont have the muscle to beat them then what can you do?

[marpat]

Imagine living there, homes are being bulldozed demolished and the invaders are taking that land and building homes for themselves and all the other bad things that may happen and do to you and your friends/family.

If you where offered the chance to go live some where better and peacefull away from Palestine, I think I would leave.

Well this is a big issue. Personally I reckon that the neighbouring muslim countries are not interested because it either entails fighting against Israel to impose a Palestinian state, or accepting massive immigration, which they dont want. America was formed by people escaping persecution and it has become a very powerful place.

At the end of the day Israel will do as they please and all the bitching in the world will change nothing. Even the god of the old testament called them a stiff necked people so its nothing new.

[anthony1965]

Well this is a big issue. Personally I reckon that the neighbouring muslim countries are not interested because it either entails fighting against Israel to impose a Palestinian state, or accepting massive immigration, which they dont want. America was formed by people escaping persecution and it has become a very powerful place.

At the end of the day Israel will do as they please and all the bitching in the world will change nothing. Even the god of the old testament called them a stiff necked people so its nothing new.

The Arab countries did fight against Israel more than once, but since Israel acquired nuclear weapons the likelihood of further Arab attacks is zero.

Not because they are disinterested.

[illuminumnuts]

Even the god of the old testament called them a stiff necked people so its nothing new.

No kidding! That's some tale there Marpat. Unfortunately, I can sniff the whiff of bullshit floating in the forum air. :p

[marpat]

The Arab countries did fight against Israel more than once, but since Israel acquired nuclear weapons the likelihood of further Arab attacks is zero.

Not because they are disinterested.

No, they just got humped because the Israelis were better fighters.

If they are so interested then why not offer Gazans the chance to settle in their own countries rather than sealing the borders?

[marpat]

No kidding! That's some tale there Marpat. Unfortunately, I can sniff the whiff of bullshit floating in the forum air. :p

Read the bible loser, it does say it. maybe you need to learn to read first

[illuminumnuts]

Read the bible loser, it does say it.

Exactly, hence the strong whiff of bullshit! :confused:

[Mo0n5tar]

The solution to Israel is the final solution mkay.

[flickflack]

The solution to Israel is the final solution mkay.

Antisemitism... :mad:

Jokes like this are not funny, they are outrageous.

[amaralsright]

Antisemitism... :mad:

Jokes like this are not funny, they are outrageous.

He may have been talking about the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians.

[Mo0n5tar]

Antisemitism... :mad:

Jokes like this are not funny, they are outrageous.

The joke highlights exactly what this thread is about.

I don't believe it, I believe in the Khazarian world order.:p

[eternal_spirit]

This is crap.

The Amalekites and Midianites were there first.

Also the Egyptians occupied a portion of it before the time the Bible says the Jews wandered in the desert for 40 years.

I think the Zionists should be made to live in the Sinai desert.
What happened to them? Israelites wiped them out? Because Yahweh said so (ahem cough I mean the leaders of their religion)
Regardless the Jewish religion was there before Islam that much is true and factual.

[bazil brazeel]

The solution to the israeli/palistinian problem,hinges on the temple of solomon and the mosque built there.
Zionists are working with the support of christian extremists to rebuild the temple,to pave the way for jesus's return.
Now if the area they all fight over was nuked and iradiated for a few thousand years.

[radio illuminati]

Negotiations and suggestions have been made by politicians and religious leaders for peacfull solutions.

What is the future? will things get worse, or will there be peace?

The solution is to discover the Gaza/Israel situation is based on New World Order deception. The truth about the conflict is full of lies and deception. Let me show you some:
The REAL Gaza The Media Will Never Show You - Gaza Exposed - YouTube

In the video is a small clip from a Gaza demonstration in NYC.

[rodin]

Negotiations and suggestions have been made by politicians and religious leaders for peacfull solutions.

What is the future? will things get worse, or will there be peace?

Israel is a symptom not a cause. Also there are decent Israelis

The problem is with the Jewish elite/pharisee banker class - the Synagogue of Satan

And all, including the church, who have turned their back on the teachings of Christ

[bazil brazeel]

Howdy rodin,you might know about this. I read something that said the reason the american christians support the israeli nasi state is they believe the jews will convert to christianity, when jesus appears in solomens temple.

[eternal_spirit]

Howdy rodin,you might know about this. I read something that said the reason the american christians support the israeli nasi state is they believe the jews will convert to christianity, when jesus appears in solomens temple.
I read that too but cannot remember were. Define Christian? Which sect? I bet some weird Judaic/Christian evangelical Zionists or something? Not proper Christians like catholics.

Jews don't see Jesus as their Messiah, unless there's tiny minority sect that do?

Don't some Jews believe Yahweh itself will appear? rapture, judgement day, ascension etc...The wicked (goyim) will be struck down by God and the righteous (Talmudic mongering Jews/Mosaic law spielers, Yahweh freaks) will ascend to heaven or live in Israel as it was meant for the Jews...(aghh)

[piskavac]

Negotiations and suggestions have been made by politicians and religious leaders for peacfull solutions.

What is the future? will things get worse, or will there be peace?

Whoever wins Israel or neighbouring countries, it will be pyrhic victory. I think there won't be peace bc Semite there are stall on manipura chakra which represents Ego and desire to rule over others.

[bazil brazeel]

I read that too but cannot remember were. Define Christian? Which sect?

Jews don't see Jesus as their Messiah, unless there's tiny minority sect that do?

Don't some Jews believe Yahweh itself will appear?




It was the jordan maxwell site.
I maybe wrong but i think it was presbitarian and or methodist.
The support started well before israel was invented

There is a double bluff going on,as you say the zionist jews are expecting thier messiah. While the zionist christians are expecting jesus.
Wouldn't it be funny if bhudda appeared instead.

[ragnarok]

If the majority of the inhabitants in the region are going to behave like spoilt children and refuse to share their toys, the adults should be stepping in and telling them neither of them can play with them.

If we can set up a nation once by using a Balfour Treaty-type ruling, we can set up a couple more and make sure they aren't fucking next-door neighbours this time!

[rodin]

Howdy rodin,you might know about this. I read something that said the reason the american christians support the israeli nasi state is they believe the jews will convert to christianity, when jesus appears in solomens temple.

No true Christian supports Satanic blood lust - quite the reverse

The Hagees are JudeoFreemasons

[eternal_spirit]

The solution to the israeli/palistinian problem,hinges on the temple of solomon and the mosque built there.
Zionists are working with the support of christian extremists to rebuild the temple,to pave the way for jesus's return.



There are basically three theories as to where the Temple stood:


The Temple was where the Dome of the Rock is now located.
The Temple was located a little to the north of the Dome of the Rock (Professor Asher Kaufman (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asher_Kaufman&action=edit&redlink=1)).
The Temple was located a little to the east of the Dome of the Rock (Professor Joseph Patrich of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem#cite_note-4)

Other theories have the Temple either to the north or to the south of the Temple Mount. Scholars generally reject more outlandish theories that claim the Temple was located someplace other than Jerusalem or even outside the Land of Israel.
It was the jordan maxwell site.
I maybe wrong but i think it was presbitarian and or methodist.
The support started well before israel was invented

There is a double bluff going on,as you say the zionist jews are expecting thier messiah. While the zionist christians are expecting jesus.
Wouldn't it be funny if bhudda appeared instead.
The Raelians, their main God being Yahweh (those that claim they clone people and are into cryogenics) have said all religions Messiah etc will appear who are really the Elohim but they say are aliens.

Raelians claim the Jews were the chosen ones who I think they said are part Elohim and are here to teach man LOL:rolleyes: - have support from several Rabbis.
Their plan was to build a place as a welcoming committee for aliens...