David Shayler self proclaimed King of the Chavs!

[Ian2day]

No you really couldn't make it up. Could you? David Shayler in a video interview with more4 news.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/david+shayler+spook+or+psychic/664847

[chris]

Mother fucker.

It fucking rubs it in our faces 'Spook or Psychic.' He's a fucking spook alright.

He knows absolutely that David Icke was owned by this so no fucking way would he do this if he wasn't a spook.

The only other possibility is that he's beem bluebeemed and they've been whispering in his ear to say this shit or even hypnotised him...I can't believe it, I actually thought this guy was legit...

I guess looking back on it, he lost a lot of creditability when he started talking about invisible planes and then he managed to get a full 30 minutes of 9/11 truth on murdochs sky news...I bet that was to regain his creditability...

I am an unhappy man.

[them]

Mother fucker.

The only other possibility...

Do you accept that individuals can become unhinged without any outside manipulation? Just go a bit mad sounding, for a bit.

[chris]

Do you accept that individuals can become unhinged without any outside manipulation? Just go a bit mad sounding, for a bit.

Not when another very well known broadcaster turned conspiracy theorist did exactly the same thing and the consequences of that are known to everyone. Especially David Shayler.

If he thinks he's god he would keep his mouth shut, he knows that the CIA has technology that can fuck with your head. It even said on the report that the spirit told him to announce the second coming at glastonbury...

Even if he believed this bluebeem shit he would keep his mouth shut...When people think conspiracy theorist, they think David Icke and then 'He thinks he's god', you just wouldn't go there.

[logic bomb]

He has now been perfectly dis-credited. How convenient for MI5. It looks to me like he's being manipulated.

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[cruise4]

Could anyone post the details of this or a copied video or something. I cannot get this Channel 4 Java crap to work on my system, but would love to know whats being said roughly?

[matrixcutter]

Could anyone post the details of this or a copied video or something. I cannot get this Channel 4 Java crap to work on my system, but would love to know whats being said roughly?
Someone's put it up on Google Video:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2410589712076166873&q=david+shayler&total=151&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0

[cruise4]

Thanks matrixcutter,

The words 'Tony Blackburn' and 'lost it' was my impression. But I would still like to see him talking for himself for somewhat longer. Wonder if he'll get any followers?

[matrixcutter]

Thanks matrixcutter,
You're welcome.

The words 'Tony Blackburn' and 'lost it' was my impression.
Why Tony Blackburn?

But I would still like to see him talking for himself for somewhat longer.
I suppose it could be interesting, but it is probably harmful. The way I see it there are a few possibilities:
1) he has actually gone mental.
2) he is being manipulated.
3) he is being knowingly deceitful.
4) he is right (he's not right though, obviously).
5) other.

Wonder if he'll get any followers?
Of course he will, he's famous.

[cruise4]

Why Tony Blackburn... new haircut and he just somehow reminded me of him.
His eyes looked somewhat screwy. Your points are about right, although point 1 might be temporary due to drug abuse. I think its probably an unfortunate development, but suprising things 'could' come out of this, eg. Publicity. Most would maybe argue that this is the wrong kind. But thats not necessarily how it works. All Publicity is good publicity as they say. Stay tuned!

[matrixcutter]

Your points are about right, although point 1 might be temporary due to drug abuse.
I've taken more than my fair share of class As, and I've never believed I was the messiah. I did see Darth Vader on the wall outside my house, and I once saw a chewing gum wrapper morph into the shape of a dinosaur, get up on its hind legs and start punching a lamp in the room I was in, but who hasn't?
Aciiiiiiiid. :)
Then it went bad.

I think its probably an unfortunate development, but suprising things 'could' come out of this, eg. Publicity. Most would maybe argue that this is the wrong kind. But thats not necessarily how it works. All Publicity is good publicity as they say. Stay tuned!
I'm not sure about that. The people who are still not aware that 9/11 was an inside job are the ones who are so conditioned that the phrase "conspiracy theory" is enough for them to turn off whatever rationality they have left. These people don't need much of an excuse never to take any of it seriously, and this is a pretty good excuse.

Time will tell. Maybe Shayler really is the messiah, or is that too ridiculous?
He's probably just a lizard man.

[cruise4]

I have come across people who thought they were Jesus temporarily. I think its the Mushrooms that gets them. I bet most people wouldn't know who David Shayler was. Maybe some would remember he blew the whistle on MI5 vaguely. To be honest, I'm glad of a bit of light relief!:o

One deity is a stretch. Mutliples are a stretch to far!

[matrixcutter]

I have come across people who thought they were Jesus temporarily. I think its the Mushrooms that gets them.
Fair enough. But is it only temporary while they're on them, or for days afterwards too?

I bet most people wouldn't know who David Shayler was. Maybe some would remember he blew the whistle on MI5 vaguely.
He did go on Have I Got News For You once too, but you're still probably right.

To be honest, I'm glad of a bit of light relief!:o
Yeah, me too, s'pose.
It is a little bit infuriating though, if that makes sense.

[cruise4]

It took them between a fortnight and a month before they started apologising sheepishly. The fact they bothered made them go up in my estimation somewhat. Can't be an easy thing to go through.

It is a bit annoying as we need as many aces as we can get, but the odd joker may come out to play at the right moment:o

I didn't really have much input/ouput from David, so probably aren't as affected by this as some. Didn't catch the episode of Have I got News... I'll look out for it. Decent Show.

[cruise4]

I just had a look at the PrisonPlanet Forum and some guy had put up a YouTube Video entitled 'Rob Paul meets Porn Star' and was getting loads of views before YouTube pulled it. Apparently Jenna Haze and My Little Pony got 30,000,000 views once. It was bogus of course, just an advertising ploy to get people looking at Ron Paul. But it makes you wonder if David Shaylor and this Messiah thing has some mileage after all?

[logic bomb]

I suppose it could be interesting, but it is probably harmful. The way I see it there are a few possibilities:
1) he has actually gone mental. highly unlikely
2) he is being manipulated. highly likely
3) he is being knowingly deceitful. possible/likely
4) he is right (he's not right though, obviously). ditto
5) other.

Qabbalah, ego massaging, hallucinogens and too many orgies mixed in with the latest in mind control Radionics would probably be enough to make anyone think they were God.

Either that or he really is a devious shill.

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[1 2 free]

He looks like a different person. Not saying that's not Shayler but he really seems different (aside from the weight loss and the hair cut). He came across as genuine ie he believed what he was saying. Maybe he's a multiple? Maybe he's been switched to another personality? Maybe his mind's been deliberately shredded?

[chris]

He looks like a different person. Not saying that's not Shayler but he really seems different (aside from the weight loss and the hair cut). He came across as genuine ie he believed what he was saying. Maybe he's a multiple? Maybe he's been switched to another personality? Maybe his mind's been deliberately shredded?

I doubt it, if his mind was scrambled he wouldn't be so rational...He's laughing at us, just look at him, he thinks it's hilarious.

I still think he was a spook from the start because there's no way in HELL that he would do this in full knowledge of David Icke...Just think of the cliche. He's not insane, you can see he's got it together so as a former MI5 officer, he would know...He's an agent.

It has ruined terrorstorm. That was my wakeup video of choice, I feel sorry for alex, having spent all that money on that clown.

It also discredits Anne Machon who I still really like but just imagine if she takes over as the rational voice of 7/7 truth in the UK and then she suddenly goes off claiming to be Mary Magdalene...I can't have that.

What pisses me off most is that it's really funny. I can imagine this is not that last we are going to hear of him. He's going to be spreading the gospel and preaching all over. Whenever they want to interview someone on conspiracies it's going to be him. They will probably have fake believers also who prop him up and get him in the news.

Its just to rub it in our faces that he chooses to tribute this to David Icke by copying his honest looney trip. Its just like having the book 'final jihad' featuring tim mcveigh or bush announcing the nwo on 9/11 1991...

If he has any good in him left then he should just shut up and leave the movement forever and go away and meditate somewhere.

[thirdwave]

i would say there is more chance of him being brainwashed than being a lier... taken by the elite and had his head screwed with.... to make his views nit count... seeing as "he has just lost the plot"

of course he could just be going through a crazy time that may pass...

its defo very interesting as the guy clearly is not a stupid person and has come forward really pushing the truth....

very odd.

[thirdwave]

I doubt it, if his mind was scrambled he wouldn't be so rational...

I don't think so.... the whole idea if that is that the person them selfs loses control of the mind.... he would genuinely believe he was what he says... totaly lost in it all....

to dig deep into his mind and try and pull him out would probably make him flip into a frenzy.

[chris]

He's loving it...It's so funny to him.

If he was not an agent and was a full truth teller like Icke is then he would have talked about more taboo subjects much earlier on like the holocaust and we would have been wary of him but he went from very credible to disinfo to loonacy without the middlestage of full on hardcore controversial conspiracy.

If he really believed he was god then he would have kept his mouth shut. Did jesus ever say he was god? This is a straight up travistock infiltration.

[kasalt]

After having watched this video, I find myself left with only one question:

Are the British eating to many pies?

[synergy777]

pies, pukka pies are best, the chicken balti pie is a corker. i think shaylers suffering from claridad or a victim of elite mind control, by giving him the messiah crap, it devalues his accurate stuff.

[matrixcutter]

It took them between a fortnight and a month before they started apologising sheepishly. The fact they bothered made them go up in my estimation somewhat. Can't be an easy thing to go through.
No, it can't.
I wonder if there's a part of them that still believes it later on, or at least holds on to the feelings they had.

It is a bit annoying as we need as many aces as we can get, but the odd joker may come out to play at the right moment:o
I just think it will most affect the people who are most in need of seeing some of the hard facts.

I didn't really have much input/ouput from David, so probably aren't as affected by this as some.
He actually made quite a good documentary ripping apart the BBC propaganda piece 9/11 Conspiracy Files quite recently:
911 and the British Broadcasting Conspiracy (1hr 21mins) (http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=-1882365905982811133&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=David%2BShayler&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.co.uk%2Fvideoplay %3Fdocid%3D-1882365905982811133&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1882365905982811133%26q%3DDavid%2BShayler%26total% 3D152%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsea rch%26plindex%3D1&usg=AL29H21VHKEh1S0CiRXsSYojlJ43qojBTA)

Didn't catch the episode of Have I got News... I'll look out for it. Decent Show.
It was ages ago - Angus Deayton was still the host. Shayler wasn't actually in the studio, they had a TV on the desk and he was somewhere else. I think it might have been before he went to prison, while he was sort of on the run, which is very odd now I think about it.
Stephen Fry was on Ian Hislop's team on that one, and I seem to remember getting pissed off with him because he criticised Shayler for ignoring the Official Secret's Act. I also seem to remember that Paul Merton turned Shayler's TV off at some point and got a great big laugh.

Maybe they'll bring him back now, and have Icke on the other team, and Alex Jones as Guest Host. :D

[matrixcutter]

Its just to rub it in our faces that he chooses to tribute this to David Icke by copying his honest looney trip. Its just like having the book 'final jihad' featuring tim mcveigh
I think it was Tom wasn't it. Still in your face though, clearly.

or bush announcing the nwo on 9/11 1991...
And on 9/11 1990 first. Coincidence, obviously.

[pedsi]

Very strange indeed.. never seen him looking or sounding like that before.
I noticed they managed to throw david ickes name in along the way.

[richmick]

Shayler and Icke ridiculed, in the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474364&in_page_id=1770

[pedsi]

I think the guy has been tampered with big time...not only does it disscredit everything he's said in the past but the fact that he's being likened to david icke allso suggests they're disscrediting his work too...two birds with the one stone..

[synergy777]

"useful idiot"

why doesn't anyone take the political/legislation/economic/religous angle. the guys are nailed, when any intelligent person views the data.

[matrixcutter]

I think the guy has been tampered with big time...not only does it disscredit everything he's said in the past but the fact that he's being likened to david icke allso suggests they're disscrediting his work too...two birds with the one stone..
Icke already managed that, long before Shayler went funny.

[john white]

He actually made quite a good documentary ripping apart the BBC propaganda piece 9/11 Conspiracy Files quite recently:
911 and the British Broadcasting Conspiracy (1hr 21mins)


true, but the facts are that Shayler merely read the script and did the voice over... I think it was originally going to be Annie narrating

[dark86]

form the daily mail regarding icke:


"He was even passed over for Celebrity Big Brother in 2006 for being 'too weird."

what a stupid statement, everything has to be related back to f'ing big brother or something else created and propelled into the mainstream.

so joe public now uses big brother as a yard stick. its just so stupid.

why is talking about your beliefs weird? i just dont get this quote at all.

[shodan]

I understood it was Icke that turned Big Brother down, not vice versa?

and how conveniently timed with the upcoming release of David's new book.

Its a smear, and Shaylar is a willing participant, mad, or manipulated/blackmailed.

Look at the lengths they've got to go to try and stop this global awakening :)

[11kushna11]

There's a lot of cynicism here; I think Shayler is just 'waking up'; very abruptly. The problem with 'awakening' while famous or in an important position is that the ego is still in hyperdrive and you begin to assume that your standing makes you more important than the hundreds of other people who wake up every day. I would venture that most of us some stage wondered whether we'd been 'chosen' or had some kind of divine purpose... but ultimately that passes and you begin to concentrate on what's important; positivity and awareness; both of self and the World around you. Shayler will hopefully move past this stage and begin to use his position to share truth and help with whatever changes are around the corner. Let's not berate him and pull him apart until we know where he's headed.

Frankly I'm surprised at the reaction to this considering the common thread between us all...

[albie]

I don't think shayler is mad. It's an example of how gullible he is. He believes his own internal voice.

[peter19]

maybe shayler has been got at?. just because hes saying what hes saying it doesnt mean hes a spook. it could mean that hes been abit of a thorn and in those terms needs to change hes story. for instance they could threaten you useing your family members and say if you dont discredit yourself, something might happen to little billy boy. who knows what happened. would be intresting if you knew david personally, then you might have more of an insight.

but with him saying this, whos going to take hes work seriously anymore?. and who bennifts from that?, david shayler?, or the powers that be?. what ever he says though in my oppinion ill still be intrested because its possible that hes been got at and because hes said what hes said the ptb might *assume* that know one will look into hes work anymore.

[skyver]

Its funny how only when you are deemed a little loopy do you get on the mainstream. Someone on here said it kills 2 birds with one stone & they are right. Think about all those people who were just starting to "wake up.." to 9/11, NWO etc, & start looking on the 'net or buying books on these subjects. The would automatically shut off as soon as they anyone talking about this stuff from now on & be "push back in line" to be shepherded. It is irritating not knowing for sure if he has been working with them or has been got to. Maybe his family were threatened or he was offered a big bundle off cash. Everyone has a price, so the saying goes...

[peter19]

welcome to the forum mate :).

yeah your spot on about the media, when it suits them and shayler is saying what they want him to say, theyll be round hes house with a fatty on lol. why didnt they go to hes house when he was talking about 9-11 and why not do a media report on that?, anyone who has abit of an impact and exposes there agenda but then later comes out and says something like this they will pounce on. the news ect is just like public relations, the sheep herding the sheep, you do something abit bizzare and youll be in the paper, and why?, because they want to show you up for your bizzareness and try to control you with fear. "im not doing that or saying that, it will get in the paper and what will my family/ mates say".

[sean~infinte]

wow that is as amusing as it is weired

maybe hes going into a bad patch like ickey boy with to much info entering his brain at once hisreality being thrown out the window i think people here are to quick to judge somtimes

one thing that gets me is that as predicted ickes being thrown in with it makes you wonder are they doing a bit of mind control to descredit icke and his UPCOMING NEW BOOK tht will sell so well???

[alice34]

There's a lot of cynicism here; I think Shayler is just 'waking up'; very abruptly. The problem with 'awakening' while famous or in an important position is that the ego is still in hyperdrive and you begin to assume that your standing makes you more important than the hundreds of other people who wake up every day. I would venture that most of us some stage wondered whether we'd been 'chosen' or had some kind of divine purpose... but ultimately that passes and you begin to concentrate on what's important; positivity and awareness; both of self and the World around you. Shayler will hopefully move past this stage and begin to use his position to share truth and help with whatever changes are around the corner. Let's not berate him and pull him apart until we know where he's headed.

Frankly I'm surprised at the reaction to this considering the common thread between us all...

yup, totally agree with your position.

[2013]

He does have a look of a young tony blackburn now . anyway the universe is changing shape and people are waking up god works in mysterious ways they say so maybewhatever the reason , some of the people who listened to what he had to say but didnt buy into the spirit stuff might not be as judgemental as others and may look further into the subject , we are all god of our own world co creators .maybe its the message and not the messenger .
by the way he was annointed so that means he is a messiah .If nothing else :D

Messiah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Hebrew word for messiah translates to anointed one. Thus to Jews there have been many messiahs—all the anointed kings and priests including David, Solomon and Aaron. When speaking of "the" messiah of the future Jews speak of two potential messiahs. Moshiach ben Yossef (Messiah son of Joseph) and Moshiach ben David (Messiah son of David)[3] The Hebrew ben can mean either son or descendant. In this sense it can also mean "in the manner of", i.e., there will be a "suffering servant" messiah in the manner of Joseph son of Israel/Jacob and a different messiah in the manner of King David.

[cruise4]

"Maybe they'll bring him back now, and have Icke on the other team, and Alex Jones as Guest Host. "

Now that would be worth watching:D

[notaslave]

I doubt it, if his mind was scrambled he wouldn't be so rational...He's laughing at us, just look at him, he thinks it's hilarious.

I still think he was a spook from the start because there's no way in HELL that he would do this in full knowledge of David Icke...Just think of the cliche. He's not insane, you can see he's got it together so as a former MI5 officer, he would know...He's an agent.

It has ruined terrorstorm. That was my wakeup video of choice, I feel sorry for alex, having spent all that money on that clown.

It also discredits Anne Machon who I still really like but just imagine if she takes over as the rational voice of 7/7 truth in the UK and then she suddenly goes off claiming to be Mary Magdalene...I can't have that.

What pisses me off most is that it's really funny. I can imagine this is not that last we are going to hear of him. He's going to be spreading the gospel and preaching all over. Whenever they want to interview someone on conspiracies it's going to be him. They will probably have fake believers also who prop him up and get him in the news.

Its just to rub it in our faces that he chooses to tribute this to David Icke by copying his honest looney trip. Its just like having the book 'final jihad' featuring tim mcveigh or bush announcing the nwo on 9/11 1991...

If he has any good in him left then he should just shut up and leave the movement forever and go away and meditate somewhere.


I totally agree with you, I dont think he ever stopped working for MI5

[chris]

I totally agree with you, I dont think he ever stopped working for MI5

It’s hard for me to say it and I don't like to rip on people who have done a lot for us but there is just no way can a person that intelligent be that stupid.

This is beyond a little 'awakening' these turns happen to everyone but they usually keep it secret or as secret as possible. A former MI5 agent who has some degree of fame and knows the whole shebang, bluebeem, mindcontrol and the DI story would know 100% to just keep his mouth shut.

It also stated that Shayler said he stopped the car bombs in London, just think of the sound reasoning he had in terrorstorm and then says he stopped the hoaxbombs…It’s a total 180 in discernment. Yet he acts totally rational.

This is the first time the mainstream had acknowledged his work. I hope he watched that and realised it. He has left something that generates true respect, not worship but real respect that all these elites want. I hope he feels in a deep place that he has disconnected from any hope of being a real leader and starts to reminisce in a drunken state about how green it was on our side.

[albie]

I think people are ignorant of how sane a mad person can be and how mad a sane person can be.

I have delusions all the time. But I can be as sane as anyone.

I'm the real messiah by the way.

Shayler is just my back up due to me be so lazy at messiah-ing.

[bicycle]

I think people are ignorant of how sane a mad person can be and how mad a sane person can be.

.

Agreed, its all about perspective and each individual's conditioned view of 'reality'.

[matrixcutter]

It’s hard for me to say it and I don't like to rip on people who have done a lot for us but there is just no way can a person that intelligent be that stupid.

This is beyond a little 'awakening' these turns happen to everyone but they usually keep it secret or as secret as possible. A former MI5 agent who has some degree of fame and knows the whole shebang, bluebeem, mindcontrol and the DI story would know 100% to just keep his mouth shut.
That's what I was thinking too.

[drhemp]

There's a lot of cynicism here; I think Shayler is just 'waking up'; very abruptly. The problem with 'awakening' while famous or in an important position is that the ego is still in hyperdrive and you begin to assume that your standing makes you more important than the hundreds of other people who wake up every day. I would venture that most of us some stage wondered whether we'd been 'chosen' or had some kind of divine purpose... but ultimately that passes and you begin to concentrate on what's important; positivity and awareness; both of self and the World around you. Shayler will hopefully move past this stage and begin to use his position to share truth and help with whatever changes are around the corner. Let's not berate him and pull him apart until we know where he's headed.

Frankly I'm surprised at the reaction to this considering the common thread between us all...

I think you're spot on there! I know Shayler, and while myself and virtually every other peson he is friends with tried to talk David out of going public with this revelation, I'm in no doubt that his motives are pure and he's a decent human being, he just doesn't seem to think about the consequences of his actions. I fully understand why many of those who don't know him are cynical of his motives and why there are some quite unpleasant things being written about him, both in the media and in online forums, and he really has only himself to blame for this.

Let's not forget on this forum, where people have been much kinder, that David Shayler has said: "Suddenly I knew that my mission was to inform humanity about the changes in the universe and spread the spiritual rules of unconditional love, unconditional sharing, never judging and having faith in the universe. If I can convince just one person, it'll be worth it." and in that respect, we can all be messengers.

I do fully agree though that Dave was a much more useful thorn in the side of The Establishment as an ex-MI5 agent/ whistleblower than a self-proclaimed Messiah, as they seem to be two a penny these days, but that's Dave's decision and he will have to live with the consequences of his actions.

At the end of the day, none of Shayler's original accusations when he blew the whistle 10 years ago on the illegal and incompetent actions of the British Security Services have been proved wrong, something for which the man went to prison for. Furthermore, none of his recent spiritual revelations change any of the overwhelming scientific and eye-witness testimonial evidence that the US Government has lied to us concerning the events of 911.

[tejas]

I think you're spot on there! I know Shayler, and while myself and virtually every other peson he is friends with tried to talk David out of going public with this revelation, I'm in no doubt that his motives are pure and he's a decent human being, he just doesn't seem to think about the consequences of his actions. I fully understand why many of those who don't know him are cynical of his motives and why there are some quite unpleasant things being written about him, both in the media and in online forums, and he really has only himself to blame for this.

Let's not forget on this forum, where people have been much kinder, that David Shayler has said: "Suddenly I knew that my mission was to inform humanity about the changes in the universe and spread the spiritual rules of unconditional love, unconditional sharing, never judging and having faith in the universe. If I can convince just one person, it'll be worth it." and in that respect, we can all be messengers.

I do fully agree though that Dave was a much more useful thorn in the side of The Establishment as an ex-MI5 agent/ whistleblower than a self-proclaimed Messiah, as they seem to be two a penny these days, but that's Dave's decision and he will have to live with the consequences of his actions.

At the end of the day, none of Shayler's original accusations when he blew the whistle 10 years ago on the illegal and incompetent actions of the British Security Services have been proved wrong, something for which the man went to prison for. Furthermore, none of his recent spiritual revelations change any of the overwhelming scientific and eye-witness testimonial evidence that the US Government has lied to us concerning the events of 911.

I agree with what you are saying and if it is a geniune 'wake-up' that he hasn't got a handle of then thats fine, however the fact still remains that during all of his years working for 9/11 truth or whatever the mainstream media gave no coverage about any of his actions, despite being an ex-MI5 agent and thusly someone who could add a whole deal of credibility to the movement.

As soon as he says hes the messiah, BOOM its on the media and in the papers, and this is clearly an attempt by the mainstream to discredit all of his work so far, it just makes everything that he has done look phony and it makes the 9/11 movement look like a farce.

Oh well, time will tell.

[infinitetruth]

The fact is, if he was really God, if he was really the messiah - why would he damage the 9/11 truth movement and their credibility by telling everyone?

God would not need to toot his own horn. He would just 'act' rather than 'speak'. He would not need to prove anything.

IMO he is either mindcontrolled hidieously, or he has been working for them the whole time. My bet is the latter. I have lost all trust in him.

[deca]

chris
The only other possibility is that he's beem bluebeemed and they've been whispering in his ear to say this shit or even hypnotised him...

I think that is a possibility.

I have had my thoughts twisted and my grandiose thoughts blown and played into,my symbols and signs twisted and made out it was ment for me.

[tejas]

The fact is, if he was really God, if he was really the messiah - why would he damage the 9/11 truth movement and their credibility by telling everyone?

God would not need to toot his own horn. He would just 'act' rather than 'speak'. He would not need to prove anything.

IMO he is either mindcontrolled hidieously, or he has been working for them the whole time. My bet is the latter. I have lost all trust in him.

Exactly.

[drhemp]

I agree with what you are saying and if it is a geniune 'wake-up' that he hasn't got a handle of then thats fine, however the fact still remains that during all of his years working for 9/11 truth or whatever the mainstream media gave no coverage about any of his actions, despite being an ex-MI5 agent and thusly someone who could add a whole deal of credibility to the movement.

As soon as he says hes the messiah, BOOM its on the media and in the papers, and this is clearly an attempt by the mainstream to discredit all of his work so far, it just makes everything that he has done look phony and it makes the 9/11 movement look like a farce.

Oh well, time will tell.

I agree with you 100%, which makes it even more frustrating for those of us who are friends with David and have known him over the years.

1. Is David Shayler the Messiah? IMO probably not.
2. Does David Shayler believe he is the Messiah? Yes he does.
3. Is David Shayler still working for the Security Services? Absolutely not!
4. Will David Shayler’s revelations damage his reputation and the Truth Movement? Absolutely yes.
5. Does David Shayler realise that his recent comments make him look like an ass and have damaged his reputation and the Truth Movement? Apparently not.
6. Why does he not realise that his recent comments make him look like an ass and have damaged his reputation and the Truth Movement? I have no idea, can someone please tell me?

Anyway, I’m not here to defend David’s recent comments, but I can tell you that he’s certainly not working for MI5, I’ve spent enough time with him over the years to know this for sure, and I can also tell you that for some reason that I completely fail to understand, he honestly thinks he’s doing the right thing. I’d be more than happy if he proved me wrong and bought down the New World Order and reigned in a new era of universal spiritual awakening, but I can’t see that happening, and thought he was much more useful as a credible MI5 whistleblower! Some people and their actions are hard to get! Maybe he is being mind controlled to say ridiculous things to rubbish the Truth Movement as a whole, but to be honest, I’d find that notion just as daft as some of his recent statements, I think more likely, he’s genuinely lost it.

In any case, I’m saddened that David Shayler is now a figure of ridicule in the media and web forums throughout the Internet and that he is being accused of still working for MI5. This really is a shame, as he’s actually quite a nice bloke with best intentions at heart, even though he has a funny way of showing it at times.

[sirjohnthebadji]

So he's met "a psychic who channels Mary Magdalene". One wonders who she is. And it's easy enough to get psychotically depressed after periods of extreme stress which this character must have endured. He presumably didn't whistleblow for fun. There is more than likely a perfectly good Jungian explanation for his recent behaviour. Technical words like internalization, inflation, projection spring to mind. Funnily enough, as it happens, I have just finished reading a book by Neal Stephenson (co-authored by somebody else) called 'Interface' about micro-chipped public figures being puppeted by shadowy super-powers (called in the book 'The Network').

[kblood]

Seems this Shaylor knows more than most the ignorant people here, no offence :p I have had a hard time respecting so many people seeming so stupid around me. Not easy acting normal when everyone around you seems to live in the stone ages. So many stupid cons most people fall for. This guy obviously is at least trying not to be deluded by others. Sanity is hard to keep in this process, but I respect those that try alot more than the ignorant people believing we are told most of the through in current books of learning. So many things are simply lied about, its so ridiculus. I guess I can only hope I can help proof some of my theories. I am able to proof them, but I dont see any reason why I should stop doing it in secret. I only let my closest friends, and preferably not my family know and see it.

Most people simply doesnt deserve to know as I see it. The fact most people cant grasp the concepts of ghosts and soul is a few of my reasons for this. Best to let you keep your illusions of sanity within the 5 senses that are controlable.

[kblood]

The fact is, if he was really God, if he was really the messiah - why would he damage the 9/11 truth movement and their credibility by telling everyone?

God would not need to toot his own horn. He would just 'act' rather than 'speak'. He would not need to prove anything.

IMO he is either mindcontrolled hidieously, or he has been working for them the whole time. My bet is the latter. I have lost all trust in him.

Sorry, but your knowledge of god is quite lacking.

[sirjohnthebadji]

Sorry, but your knowledge of god is quite lacking.

End of conversation?

[kblood]

End of conversation?

No, I just dont like seeing when someone claims to know anything about god, when clearly not have had any genuine experiences. I dont see why I should explain myself every time, just to try convince you all. Prove me wrong if you will. Im just getting tired of so many not knowing about the secrets of the mind. At least I have find a few with some true knowledge about things here. I dont see why I should waste my time trying to explain myself everytime someone questions something I claim, just because I wont spent hours finding proof and links to it, when it is one of the most difficult things to prove without any real experience about it. I am making a network with gifted people, so I can do my research faster and better. Sorry if I dont feel obliged to have to proof if. Keep on ranting though, its not that I really mind.

[sirjohnthebadji]

No, I just dont like seeing when someone claims to know anything about god,


to whom are you talking? I don't know anything about 'god'


when clearly not have had any genuine experiences. I dont see why I should explain myself every time, just to try convince you all. Prove me wrong if you will


WRONG ABOUT WHAT?













. Im just getting tired of so many not knowing about the secrets of the mind. At least I have find a few with some true knowledge about things here. I dont see why I should waste my time trying to explain myself everytime someone questions something I claim, just because I wont spent hours finding proof and links to it, when it is one of the most difficult things to prove without any real experience about it. I am making a network with gifted people, so I can do my research faster and better. Sorry if I dont feel obliged to have to proof if. Keep on ranting though, its not that I really mind.

What is your beef, exactly? Is Shayler bonkers, or is he an actor playing a role? Best wishes

[deca]

or is he an actor playing a role?

Are we not all actors,do we fallow our own script,somebody else's, or somebody mixing up the words?:D.

[john white]

"Suddenly I knew that my mission was to inform humanity about the changes in the universe and spread the spiritual rules of unconditional love, unconditional sharing, never judging and having faith in the universe. If I can convince just one person, it'll be worth it."

The upside of this whole thing is that, with the amount of coverage Dave Shayler has recieved, he is guarenteed to have been succesful in that aim

Isn't he?

[challand]

What if they are threatening him in some way... I.E. - Say this or we'll cut off yer balls! etc

I've heard with an hour these NWO bastards can program you. So it's hard to say... but I suppose in the end it doesn't matter, same difference... we just got made to look toopid.

[sirjohnthebadji]

Well, yes, I suppose joining MI5 could be like joining the army and getting the full mind control treatment. Triggers amd so on.