osho gautama

[yeiayel]

Hi. I spend 1 year in this place: http://www.gautama.it/en and I can confirm that they are trying to transform people in robots and they do the work of indoctrination of new world order. "Love"
is used as mind manipolation. Love in this place is a method of submission.

[qophee]

Hi. I spend 1 year in this place: http://www.gautama.it/en and I can confirm that they are trying to transform people in robots and they do the work of indoctrination of new world order. "Love"
is used as mind manipolation. Love in this place is a method of submission.

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Thanks, maybe I will look at that site for a brief time. Are they trying to establish a relationship of you and an on the web Master? I think if a person is only doing what the Master says without question, the person could feel like a robot. My Master is all the many impulses that have me running back and forth and in many different directions each day with my emotions, feelings, words and actions. Although, I do have repeating patterns. So, yes I can say I am consistent; everyday I eat too much and watch too much telivision.

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"The sage of the Shakya clan") and as the Tathagata (lit. "thus-come-one" or "thus-gone-one"). Gautama was a contemporary of Mahavira.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
the buddha wrote in the lotus sutra that the path to enlightenment is reached by chanting nam myoho renge kyo.....look it up.
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo - Ancient Chants, Blissful Grooves - YouTube
Ancient Chants
Tina Turner Chanting - YouTube
Buddhacarita
Buddhacarita - YouTube

[alrick888]

Hi. I spend 1 year in this place: http://www.gautama.it/en and I can confirm that they are trying to transform people in robots and they do the work of indoctrination of new world order. "Love"
is used as mind manipolation. Love in this place is a method of submission.
Can you be more specific? What happened? Why robots?

I personally don't think Osho was a secret agent of the New World Order. He was a free-thinker IMO.

[yeiayel]

I will try to answer with my limited english. If you read osho's books (and i read a lot of his books) lot of his discourses are to intend as a free thinker.
Osho said that we must be the master of ourselves. But also say that we must be in submission in front of a master. Osho can be a good teacher but who came after osho do their own game power. In some osho discourses
osho said that he was in favour of one only global world governament.Osho was in favour of psichiatric operation in the brain (terrible) for person who have mental problem.(who remembers lobotomy?). Nazi idea! Osho is in favour of the television and said that television will be the teacher of the future for our children under a one world governament. People after osho that there was a disciple of him persist with the idea that there is an enlight master and the disciple must be in submission. Is the dog and their sheep.
And this only in function of their ego. In Gautama people are in submission.
The leader speak about a community of enlighten men. (my dream is to have a community of enlighten men). Remember hitler? He spoked about a nation
of enlighten men. In 2007 there are person that persist to do this kind of
discourses. Don't you find this hallucinatory? In the leaders groups he decide when people must speak and when shut up.
He go to salon with people in front of him and e say us what to do. You must obbey as a robot. And if you don't agree they tell you that you are in reaction and if you don't obbey you can leave. When you leave is implied
that you are wrong. A morning you get up and you dont feel to do catharsis or other meditation. You can't. They say to you: you must do this or that.
if you make a question: don't do question obbey!
Female are persuade to have sex with many partner even if in the moment they don' feel to do this. Like an imposition obtain by persuasion.(you must do this, bla, bla ,bla). This happens even to male but percentual is minor. I think a person must do his experience when the person wants.
No one must impose to me a behavior my life is my life, and only I can decide to do or not to do an experience of every kind. No one can control me from external. And if someone try do do this. What kind of shit is this??
No correct! The leader said: "I love you all" passing over the singolar individuality of everyone. The purpose is to have an intromission in your personal life. They force you. Put out emotion! do this, do that. And if you try to put something in discussion, they told you: Shut up! and do what we want us to do. You don' agree?: here is the door, and remember you are wrong because we are the hightest form of living in the world!
I think osho wasn't a NWO agent but someone of his company is doing his
personal game.
About NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO: Was the doctrine of Nichiren Daishonin.
In this case Soka Gakkai or nichiren shosu really work for New World Order.
In Japan this religion is heavy implied in politics. the peack of command of Gakkai is a secret society. I think Daisaku ikeda (The master) only a puppet.
He is condescend to every organizzation to build the NWO.(read:he lap the behind.) Nichiren Daishonin was Japanese. In 1200 Bc in Japan he had
disciples of his doctrine His disciples usually attacked others villages and make a lot of murder, children and olden. They were assassins.


I think the only master of ourselves is life..

[alrick888]

I feel for you and am sorry about what you had to go through. Abuse happens when things become institutionalized and leader-types take control- any teaching can become abused. But this sounds quite serious.

I myself am male so I can't really comment on the forced sex aspect. I suspect though it can be traumatic. To me it sounds like just a couple of guys getting their rocks off using Osho's teaching as an excuse.

I think if you find a good lawyer you can definitely make a case of it and force them to pay some kind of compensation. Abuse isn't looked upon kindly by judges and certainly not if it happened in a group environment. It would help if you had someone to back up your testimony, out of the same group.

I think you're right, "love" (read: forced sex) was used as a means of submission and control. That's pretty nasty.

To take action on this though you would have to start with going to the police and report it. Go with someone you know and trust, preferably an elder respected person. Call it group rape. Find the worst terms you can think of.

Well, that's what I would advise you anyway. Don't stay with the victim-feeling too long. Or if you are more low budget, aren't bothered by shame, go talk to a journalist.

Feel free to pm me. I have some experience with cultic groups myself.

[yeiayel]

Is not: you must do sex! is a slow persuasion to have sex. So the person seem to have a natural behavior. Not force. The person have sex consent.
But posterior there is a suggestion to have this behavior. It dosn't born
naturally from the person, because some terapist suggested this behavior speaking about the importance to do experience and... bla bla bla. I think every experience we do must born naturally from ourselves. they can't tell you what to do. Note: is not only regard sex they do what i say. Every aspect is set up to this path.
Is impossible to go to a lawyer because behaviour seem to be naturally.
You do this voluntarily but posterior there is a suggestion by others ("the theratist") They are poltroon two times because they pass over the awareness of the people telling me what is the best for my life. "But I can't live my life as another persons wants". They do not say this latest sentence.
So the game finish. PS: I spoked about many partners, but singly, not group. The two persons
are "both consent". Is an erosion of free will totally undetectable. A day i saw the "master" tell a man to go to bed with another man and they both sleep togheter for all the night. If you are a female and say: I don' feel to do this now is not that they force you in arought manner. But day after day someone speak about this. And this someone is a person in a superior hierarchy a therapist, influential person, because if there was a person "on your same level", not a master or not a therapis you at once tell him:hey guy: why you don't go to fuck off!. This is the shit. You listen him: he is a terapist, a person with experience. Sure he knows better than you what is the best for your life. Even if your life is not his life.

[alrick888]

OK, I was a bit quick with my conclusions there -getting a bit carried away maybe.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this: "But posterior there is a suggestion to have this behavior."

So anyway, it was suggestion they used.

Well, suggestion is everywhere. The examples abound - in high school they suggest you go to university, and you go, because you haven't got a clue what's good for you.

The television suggests you should buy this and this product, and so you buy them.

The church suggests you should be monogamous, so you get married to the first decent guy you meet. And he suggests you should lose some weight, so that's what you do.

So I think 95% of people live their life not by their own free will but following these kind of suggestions.

So you instead followed suggestions of sexually liberated people who were into experimentation, and now you feel some regret when you look back?

How can you be sure that this regret isn't "suggested" to you by the morale of mainstream society, that says you should be monogamous to be a good girl? Can you be so sure?

How did you feel at the time?

[yeiayel]

Yes, suggests, but do not use autorithy to suggests people. Who suggests autorithy? They are free and you not. Can you recognize if a choice come from yourself? Is this quality we must evolve. Otherwise we spend all our life to be robot in others hands. If I say: no, not now I don't feel now...
and you persist. Hight school suggest, television suggest, but if you say no
the day after they can't persist otherwise is a violation of your border.
Every istitution suggests. But you can choose the right suggest for you.
If I tell you: I suggest to do this action, you ponder in your mind if you like to do this action and if you like to do this, you do, but after you have contemplate the action if you don't like to do this you say no, and now I can' t persist day after day to tell you, do this! , do this!, because this means that
I don't respect you, there are border between person. I can't do what I want. A suggest must be required. we can't suggest other person if they don't require our suggest because they have an intelligence. They are not children. For mainstream society is the same mechanism, they suggest you: this is wrong day after day. In each case they want to rule people from
external. But a good meditation school learn that our guide is in our inner being.
I think that if you impose a natural behaviour as sex you do not give freedom to the sex but stop it. Because for a natural behaviour when you impose, you block this.
If others say you what to do, is not a personal discovery, now. This gives a strange feeling. Someone else is introduced in your life about question that are naturally to do, not a suggest to go to university.
In many place if you are free in love for another person they can stop you. For example in an embrace at school you take a risk to be stopped. Why don't we limit us to stop repression?
Only thing is stop repression. The rest is natural, and to impose what is natural to others do not give freedom!

[yeiayel]

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Thanks, maybe I will look at that site for a brief time. Are they trying to establish a relationship of you and an on the web Master?



The so called "master" is an ex extasy addiction. During important and expensive group the leader is under haschis effect.

[qophee]

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Thanks, maybe I will look at that site for a brief time. Are they trying to establish a relationship of you and an on the web Master?



The so called "master" is an ex extasy addiction. During important and expensive group the leader is under haschis effect.
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When Tantra rites or ceremonies have details connected with sex, it is a deviation from the pure form. When people think they have established an a-priori through previous consentual behavior received from another, it is not so important that they are fooling themselves but that they are fooling the other. Previous consentual behavior is not a contract. If they have you locked into a situation of being provided for, with a bleak alternative for you if you leave, they do not have the distinction of nobility.

Is this the situation?

[yeiayel]

Only the leaders smokes haschis during the groups. If a component of the group try to smoke something the leader force him to leave comunity.
When people makes groups they do not know that the leader smoke haschis.
I have nothing against haschis but if you are doing a therapeutic session
with persons depend from your answers you can't smoke. If you don' agree
the command of the leaders you are wrong, you are on "reaction" and if you persist don't agree you must leave. When you leaves is implicit that there is something wrong in you for the only motivation that you don' agree with them.
Talking to a person in community he told me: if you want to stay here you must obbey. If you don't obbey you leave and you will be on the road (as a dog). I talked to another person with addiction problems,and he told to me:
"If they find me to smoke this little mariuana cigarette i must leave community. If I leave community I will be a death man. Shut up!"
So the "therapists" convinced him that if he leave community he will find a bad end and if he don't obbey he will leave.
This is control using fear people!
Is implicit that they are privileged and if you aren't able to respect their norms
you are an abnormal person because they are the "best condition of uman living all over the world" Sure!

[yeiayel]

Thank you very much. I'm ready to answer all questions you want to do.

[yeiayel]

Thank you very much. I'm ready to answer all questions you want to do.

Sorry, but someone can be an infiltrated of them. What I say is enough to get
an idea of this spiritual souls business.

[qophee]

Sorry, but someone can be an infiltrated of them. What I say is enough to get
an idea of this spiritual souls business.

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Might you clarify first sentence? You mention spiritual soul. I see it as the vessel for the Spirit. Those two are seen as one very often. The spiritual soul might even be known as spiritual desire. The Spirit and spiritual desire are often seen a single entity. The higher mind can become one with the above. That would be one plus one. The lower mind is associated with its desire, which is based on the five senses, sight, sound, taste, smell, touch, the nervous system and the glandular system. That is one plus one.

One plus one is two. Two plus two is One. Must go now, hungry ghost realm is calling me, my Father was a wrathful deity.

That last part was levity.

[amar7]

Osho worked with the wrong people and these people are representing him.
Actually they are putting his name through the dirt..

I dont think Osho personally was NWO cooperative. So I personally only read books from him and watch videos of him talking.
I agree with ~85% of what he says and about 20% is great philosophie plus a bonus of 3-5%humor.
To me it is a good compination
But I would never join the Osho Resort or anything like that.
It is probably some new indoctrination

[lasciarfluire]

Yeiael
I have done groups in Osho Centers and i have had no problems of the kind you mention
You say you have been to this community for a year and with all of this you never thought of leaving? Is there some kind of brainwashing that they do? Were you happy there?
As for the drugs used on therapeutic sessions, I do not know if it is a drug reform clinic or something like that, but in that case I do not think it is legal to do drugs and therapy sessions.
Good luck! and a big hug
I hope you can go to other centers and see if there is a difference.