The World is Awakening!!!

[flyermay]

I'm amazed of how well things are going. A lot of documentaries, reports and articles on the MSM are starting to emerge on the current fascist police state the world is being subjected to. Not only the media in the US and UK are starting to see that there enough evidences to suspect something is going on, but also in other countries around the world.

Just watch this example; a documentary from the BBC titled "What Ever Happened to People Power?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lmd3s/Panorama_What_Ever_Happened_to_People_Power

[ulaw]

Lets not forget the BBC is a state run propaganda media outlet.
So what ever it is they are showing it is there for a reason, either disinformation, or pure fiction.

[doors]

True but the poster's point still stands, I believe more people are waking up to what is really going on. For instance, Obama's approval rating is lower than Bush's at the same time into his presidency. We all saw the tears and the near on Beatlemania that Obama had just a few months ago, so this is a quick turnaround.

[siatd]

Asleep - waking up is just another useless, overused metaphor.



Christ, if you lot are the future of alternative politics then we're truly fucked. Standing around telling people to 'wake up' and then when they ever so slightly agree with you and validate your nonsense you claim they've 'woken up' is about as productive and purposeful as the washer woman in 1984.

[ownoiz]

The World is Awakening!!!


Most australians must have missed that one.

Well we are pretty far away.

Australia that is.

Our Obama is Kevin Rudd and everyone still loves him, not sure how they do it here but i think its called programming specificity.
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[flyermay]

Asleep - waking up is just another useless, overused metaphor.

Christ, if you lot are the future of alternative politics then we're truly fucked. Standing around telling people to 'wake up' and then when they ever so slightly agree with you and validate your nonsense you claim they've 'woken up' is about as productive and purposeful as the washer woman in 1984.

Awaking -
To stop being asleep (and realise you do not live in Dreamland)
To cause to become conscious (of what is really going on and how you are being manipulated and used)
To cause to become awake (about the reality that surrounds you)
Of course, there'll always be cattle that are quite happy and confortable being prodded around by their masters; that's why it's called awakening, because not everyone is at the same level of consciousness. :)

Though I'm not worried about those; they will simply agree with whatever is in power. The real problem are all of those who know what's going on, but still sell themselves for a piece of the cake.

[flyermay]

Most australians must have missed that one.

Well we are pretty far away.

Australia that is.

Our Obama is Kevin Rudd and everyone still loves him, not sure how they do it here but i think its called programming specificity.
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I also thought the same thing about the rest of the world just last week. But recently, after what I saw on the MSM I realised that we are moving on; and it's starting to get speed. lol

[cpfc12]

I'm amazed of how well things are going. A lot of documentaries, reports and articles on the MSM are starting to emerge on the current fascist police state the world is being subjected to. Not only the media in the US and UK are starting to see that there enough evidences to suspect something is going on, but also in other countries around the world.

Just watch this example; a documentary from the BBC titled "What Ever Happened to People Power?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lmd3s/Panorama_What_Ever_Happened_to_People_Power

Doesn't make you awake, still based on the physical world, nothing more or nothing less.
Don't you find it a bit odd, that the big mainstream channels are showing these documentaries ?
Personally i think its one of a few things, trying to make the police into a scapegoat, so we beg for some new police force, like an eu one. Either that or again making the police a scapegoat, because people are sussing on to the police state we are living in, but making out that its just a few renegade police officers, where as in fact its government policies being implemented, and runs deeper.
People are awakening, only partly of the illusion, knowing your government along with all other organisations are fvcking you in the arse, isn't a form of waking up if you ask me, still keeps you in this box of fear, like david icke said. At the same time i can't imagine something like conscription or further anti terror laws being implemented without public outcry.

[size_of_light]

I'm amazed of how well things are going. A lot of documentaries, reports and articles on the MSM are starting to emerge on the current fascist police state the world is being subjected to. Not only the media in the US and UK are starting to see that there enough evidences to suspect something is going on, but also in other countries around the world.

Just watch this example; a documentary from the BBC titled "What Ever Happened to People Power?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lmd3s/Panorama_What_Ever_Happened_to_People_Power

I've had a lot of false 'feelings' in my time, but I have a more organic sense now that things are both slowly and quicky starting to change.

[flyermay]

Doesn't make you awake, still based on the physical world, nothing more or nothing less.

Like it or not, the physical world is the one we all commonly share and experience; so why would everyone awake to something only you experience inside your own mind?

Don't you find it a bit odd, that the big mainstream channels are showing these documentaries ?

I find it odd that they didn't show them before. But I guess many are caught into the corporate trap, third party interestest, or simple fear of ridicule.

Personally i think its one of a few things, trying to make the police into a scapegoat, so we beg for some new police force, like an eu one. Either that or again making the police a scapegoat, because people are sussing on to the police state we are living in, but making out that its just a few renegade police officers, where as in fact its government policies being implemented, and runs deeper.

Nobody blames a soldier for a war, but the governments that forced him (whatever the means) to fight in it. The police forces are not an independent body or organisation, they act by direct orders of the government. It was clear in the documentary that the blame falls on those who allow and promote these actions and behaviour, not on those who simply follow orders.

People are awakening, only partly of the illusion, knowing your government along with all other organisations are fvcking you in the arse, isn't a form of waking up if you ask me, still keeps you in this box of fear, like david icke said.

I agree with that though...

At the same time i can't imagine something like conscription or further anti terror laws being implemented without public outcry.

Unfortunately, the public always goes way behind in terms of politics (they're well aware of everything related to the Beckhams though). Nowadays the general public doesn't care about anything that happens beyond their own little world; it's an old technique used by the Romans, called "bread and circus".

[cpfc12]

Like it or not, the physical world is the one we all commonly share and experience; so why would everyone awake to something only you experience inside your own mind?



I find it odd that they didn't show them before. But I guess many are caught into the corporate trap, third party interestest, or simple fear of ridicule.



Nobody blames a soldier for a war, but the governments that forced him (whatever the means) to fight in it. The police forces are not an independent body or organisation, they act by direct orders of the government. It was clear in the documentary that the blame falls on those who allow and promote these actions and behaviour, not on those who simply follow orders.



I agree with that though...



Unfortunately, the public always goes way behind in terms of politics (they're well aware of everything related to the Beckhams though). Nowadays the general public doesn't care about anything that happens beyond their own little world; it's an old technique used by the Romans, called "bread and circus".

True i am not asking us all to be these lentil eaters and astro travellers, but i believe if we are to reach a higher conciousness, it would be the only way to really change whats going on in the world.

And yes it isn't a soldiers fault about going to war, but they surely do have to take some responsbility, for the lives they take, as the german soldiers should have done during the 30's and 40's. But yes i do believe however that is important to blame the ones who give the orders, as we all probably have been responsible and still are responsible for the police state we are living in, its in all forms though, schools, health services, police obviously. I believe people on this forum can fall foul for blaming the police for everything as if they are conciously aware of the agenda. I just believe that people like to blame somebody they can see visibly, as it is a sign of their previous brainwashed mentality, and part of the blame culture.

I think its great however that documentaries are like this showing the policies being introduced and what have been, I just hope they don't fall into the trap like most people have, of blaming the other small people.
Already changes seem to be occuring in government,where stop and search is being reduced, but i can't help but feel that this is just making away for a possible militarised state or something, or its just going more underground :(

[cpfc12]

We may be hearing news about what the local police are doing, but we aren't hearing anythign about the war crimes being commited over in iraq, afghanisatan etc.

[flyermay]

We may be hearing news about what the local police are doing, but we aren't hearing anythign about the war crimes being commited over in iraq, afghanisatan etc.

I'm not sure the general public would even care. And that's the most worrying of all, as an apathetic population allows those who control them to do as they wish; as it's happening now.

I'm glad though that some of these so called "conspiracies" are starting to reach the MSM without looking ludicrous; which, given the circumstances, is at least some advance.

It was great to watch a programme on the moon landing this weekend (on a European national TV channel) and when they asked the public: “do you think it was all a scam”, most of them answered “YES”. :D

[alisa2]

I'm not sure the general public would even care. And that's the most worrying of all, as an apathetic population allows those who control them to do as they wish; as it's happening now.


Public education or a lack thereof is a major contributing factor to the apathy. Everyone's been dumbed-down by the communists and as a result no one has the correct information about anything to make a case that anyone would pay attention to- Education and waking-up is up to the individual- I don't know if it too late for the masses to awake or not, but as time marches on, it seems that it is too late.

[flyermay]

Public education or a lack thereof is a major contributing factor to the apathy. Everyone's been dumbed-down by the communists and as a result no one has the correct information about anything to make a case that anyone would pay attention to- Education and waking-up is up to the individual- I don't know if it too late for the masses to awake or not, but as time marches on, it seems that it is too late.

I agree with you on the education issue (lack of...). However, I don't agree with you on the comments about communism; as the NWO is the opposite ideology, and in general communists are better educated and also try to do the same with their population.

[alisa2]

I agree with you on the education issue (lack of...). as the NWO is the opposite ideology, and in general communists are better educated and also try to do the same with their population.

I suppose it depends on your definition of communism. To some people, communism is a good thing, and to others it is not. I do not consider it a good thing, considering the steps that have to be taken to get there.



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12] But given the pervasive nature of the bias that Marx describes, how is a
communist society to be realized? For Marx, the answer lay in tyranny. He
thought that a temporary, transitional stage of tyranny was necessary in order to move from a capitalistic mode of production to a communist utopia. He called this tyranny the "dictatorship of the proletariat":

Between capitalist and communist society lies the period of the
revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the
revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

[13] The purpose of the dictatorship is to centrally plan the economy until such time as a new, communist consciousness emerges and the state spontaneously "falls away." Che Guevara said that "society as a whole must become a gigantic school." The dictatorship, then, exists as a ruthless headmaster to ensure that society's students unlearn the distinction between society's interest and their own.


Watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccIqjrGGMk

[alisa2]

Communism or socialism is actually a lot like what the Zeigeist movement envisions, except without the money and liars - a world where no one owns any property and everything is shared by all.

[flyermay]

I suppose it depends on your definition of communism. To some people, communism is a good thing, and to others it is not. I do not consider it a good thing, considering the steps that have to be taken to get there.
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12] But given the pervasive nature of the bias that Marx describes, how is a
communist society to be realized? For Marx, the answer lay in tyranny. He
thought that a temporary, transitional stage of tyranny was necessary in order to move from a capitalistic mode of production to a communist utopia. He called this tyranny the "dictatorship of the proletariat":

Between capitalist and communist society lies the period of the
revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the
revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

[13] The purpose of the dictatorship is to centrally plan the economy until such time as a new, communist consciousness emerges and the state spontaneously "falls away." Che Guevara said that "society as a whole must become a gigantic school." The dictatorship, then, exists as a ruthless headmaster to ensure that society's students unlearn the distinction between society's interest and their own.

Watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccIqjrGGMk

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't refering to communism itself (which we've been discussing for long in other threads). I was refering to the elite that controls the western world having an opposite ideology to communism; as they are clearly more interested in keeping the power that wealths provides them, than sharing it with the rest of the population. I was also saying that in the western world most communists are usually highly educated people (it is difficult to find a communist in Europe or the US without a certain level of education); and also communists countries seem to make an effort to educate well their population (at least to each individual's potential).

But in regards to communism being god or bad, I don't think the problem is having public property, instead of private, but on the power the state has; which can range from almost no state control (anarcho-communism), to the state controlling everying (Neo-Stalinism). So communism could be bad, when the state is into total fascism, or good when libertarian.

But the problem is that in the west, when people hears about communism, the first thing that comes to their mind are the Russian and Asian regimes; which is not a completely fair picture of an ideology as abroad as communism.

[alisa2]

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't refering to communism itself (which we've been discussing for long in other threads). I was refering to the elite that controls the western world having an opposite ideology to communism; as they are clearly more interested in keeping the power that wealths provides them, than sharing it with the rest of the population.
What makes you think in communism the elite would have to share with the rest of the population?



I was also saying that in the western world most communists are usually highly educated people (it is difficult to find a communist in Europe or the US without a certain level of education); and also communists countries seem to make an effort to educate well their population (at least to each individual's potential).

Well, there’s a word for highly educated communists: Useful idiot.

[flyermay]

What makes you think in communism the elite would have to share with the rest of the population?

The fact that there is no private property, perhaps???

If they don't believe in common property they look to me as lausy communists.

Well, there’s a word for highly educated communists: Useful idiot.

So they tell to those brainwashed to believe selfishness and greed are the most important things in life. Petty that 1 in 6 human beings have to starve because of a couple of "useless wise-guys". :rolleyes:

[aura]

This title is very misleading towards the information which was placed forward in the program.
I've watched the program and it seems to place a divide view between the general 'person' and the 'police,' nothing really knew there which the controlled media push daily.

[alisa2]

The fact that there is no private property, perhaps???


What makes you think they are going to share their private property with everyone else?

If they don't believe in common property they look to me as lausy communists.

So the elite doesn't have an opposite ideology to communism. They want it-- but not for themselves. Let other people share their food, clothing and housing-- but not them.

[flyermay]

What makes you think they are going to share their private property with everyone else?

So the elite doesn't have an opposite ideology to communism. They want it-- but not for themselves. Let other people share their food, clothing and housing-- but not them.

I see what you mean now: that the elite want to keep their wealth, but impose communism on the population.

I really don't really think that's the case. Their Neo-liberal fascist is working pretty well for them, and all seems to indicate we will continue moving towards fascsism.

I don't see why they would suddenly make a 180 degree turn into communism, when they will have total control with a global fascist regime.