Shaped Charge Explosion Compared to WTC Explosion

[stannrodd]

Just found this YouTube video comparing a cutter charge sound with that of an explosion allegedly at WTC7 around midday on 9/11. Not sure if it's already posted here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I84-_hcbtyU&feature=related

Quite interesting.

Stann

[tabea_blumenschein]

I just had a look at the video. My first thought was that the explosion heard by the firefighters was just the second plane impact on the south tower.

If my hunch is incorrect and the explosion is from WTC7 around midday, I'd be interested to know how that determination was made.

Is there a more complete version of that film that doesn't stop a few seconds after the explosion? It might help to answer some questions. You'll forgive me for suspecting that 9/11 truthers just might cut an otherwise innocuous video down to a few seconds to create a false impression.

[stannrodd]

I just had a look at the video. My first thought was that the explosion heard by the firefighters was just the second plane impact on the south tower.

If my hunch is incorrect and the explosion is from WTC7 around midday, I'd be interested to know how that determination was made.

Is there a more complete version of that film that doesn't stop a few seconds after the explosion? It might help to answer some questions. You'll forgive me for suspecting that 9/11 truthers just might cut an otherwise innocuous video down to a few seconds to create a false impression.

Tabea,
I hadn't seen the comparison done before and is why I posted it.

There is bundles of "info" regarding this explosion .. here is one from a quick search

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm

Credibility ?? It seems there was this extraneous explosion :confused:

Stann

[fanoftruth]

"just had a look at the video. My first thought was that the explosion heard by the firefighters was just the second plane impact on the south tower."

This couldn't be the case as you can see by the air being thickly clad with dust and everyone wearing respirators that the video is shot after at least one of the towers have come down.

[dave52]

If you've ever watched Rik Siegel's "911 Eyewitness", there are a whole bunch of booms and explosions going off through out the event.

[ex sheep]

Yes that is the sound of an explosion, I used to work in mining, and I have set off thousands of rounds of explosives, I know the sound, no doubt.





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[stannrodd]

I reckon it sounded like an explosion too ..

Do they use shaped charge cutters in the mines ??

Stann:rolleyes:

[christophera]

Yes that is the sound of an explosion, I used to work in mining, and I have set off thousands of rounds of explosives, I know the sound, no doubt.
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It lacks the high frequency aspects of a shaped charge blast. The sharp crack is missing. It is high explosives blast, and a large one, but somewhat contained.

Here's the original Linear shaped charge (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tZRAbUcUkIc)

Here is a series of high speed delayed detonations descending the tower face. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591&q=5860825099435530591&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

[ex sheep]

I reckon it sounded like an explosion too ..

Do they use shaped charge cutters in the mines ??

Stann:rolleyes:

Something very similar it's called pre split, and as I say it was my job was to turn the key so I know how detonation sounds like, your body can actually feel it before the sound wave, and watching that clip, yes deff explosives.

[flip side]

I just had a look at the video. My first thought was that the explosion heard by the firefighters was just the second plane impact on the south tower.

If my hunch is incorrect and the explosion is from WTC7 around midday, I'd be interested to know how that determination was made.

Is there a more complete version of that film that doesn't stop a few seconds after the explosion? It might help to answer some questions. You'll forgive me for suspecting that 9/11 truthers just might cut an otherwise innocuous video down to a few seconds to create a false impression.

How you came to the conclusion that 'it was just the second plane impact on the south tower' shows your non-objective approach to 9/11 as a whole. Use your eyes, did you notice the DUST? Do you get your wages docked for slip ups like this?

[stannrodd]

How you came to the conclusion that 'it was just the second plane impact on the south tower' shows your non-objective approach to 9/11 as a whole. Use your eyes, did you notice the DUST? Do you get your wages docked for slip ups like this?

Sorry Flip but I will aside with his "hunch" ,, that being .. his uncertain view .. rather than a conclusion as you suggest ..

Stann

[flip side]

Sorry Flip but I will aside with his "hunch" ,, that being .. his uncertain view .. rather than a conclusion as you suggest ..

Stann

Ok, point taken. His 'hunch' is incorrect.

[stannrodd]

Ok, point taken. His 'hunch' is incorrect.

I think that the "hunch" is fairly well based IMO .. but you say is "incorrect".

Yet you didn't respond to this ..

I'd be interested to know how that determination was made.

A fair question in my book ..

Stann :)

[flip side]

I think that the "hunch" is fairly well based IMO .. but you say is "incorrect".

Yet you didn't respond to this ..



A fair question in my book ..

Stann :)

Ok...I'll explain. His hunch about the explosion being from the second impact of the plane is INCORRECT because there is dust everywhere, meaning at least the South Tower has collapsed already. So...the explosion cannot be from a plane crashing into WTC because that would not fit into the timeline of events.

8.46 am Plane 1 crashes into North tower
9.03 am Plane 2 crashes into South tower
9.59 am South Tower Collapses
10.28 am North Tower Collapses

Get it?

Also I never made a comment on how the explosion was determined to have come from WTC7, seeing as you posted the footage maybe you have an opinion on how this?

[stannrodd]

Originally Posted by flip side View Post
How you came to the conclusion that 'it was just the second plane impact on the south tower' shows your non-objective approach to 9/11 as a whole. Use your eyes, did you notice the DUST? Do you get your wages docked for slip ups like this?

How about I highlight in BOLD the element which took you out of fair discussion ..

A total Bullshit allegation of being a paid shill or whatever. Your attitude stank from that comment on. Would you like to clarify that ?

Best to work with critics .. don't you think ??

Stann

[deem]

Flipside wasn't having a pop at you Stannrodd. I get the impression that comment was aimed at Tabeas post. Anyway,watched the vid, both explosions sounded very much alike, Id even go as far as to say almost identical. The sound from the explosion from the planes would have been a lot more drawn out.

[tabea_blumenschein]

How about I highlight in BOLD the element which took you out of fair discussion ..

A total Bullshit allegation of being a paid shill or whatever. Your attitude stank from that comment on. Would you like to clarify that ?

Best to work with critics .. don't you think ??

Stann


See, Stann? Some of the things I've said here recently might have been harsher than normal, but this is exactly what I was talking about. As soon as you take a position that's contrary to their pet delusions, you get labeled as a "shill" or an "accomplice to murder." Do they need evidence? No, the fact that your opinion differs from theirs is enough. They accuse you of being a "paid shill", a "part of the coverup" or a "willing accomplice to murder" without an ounce of shame, without an ounce of guilt, and without an ounce of remorse.

The so-called "official story" wasn't the work of shadowy elites in a back room somewhere. It was the result of the combined effort of many, many thousands of good men and women. (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/someoftheagencies%2Corganizationsandindivi) When the "truth" movement calls the "official story" nothing but a massive coverup, they're implicitly accusing all those thousands of people of being willing accomplices to one of the worst single acts of mass murder in history.

And they feel no shame whatsoever about it.

~

As far as the explosion in the video, I should go on record as saying that I no longer believe that it is the second plane impact. I at least hope that readers will understand why I was initially open to that possibility.

For a number of reasons, I do not believe that the explosion heard on the video is a cutter charge going off. Here is one of them: after the events that had already happened that day, those firefighters would have been very alert for sources of possible danger. If they didn't know what the source of the explosion was, they would no doubt have dropped what they were doing and gone to investigate. If they did know what the source of the explosion was - the detonation of some sort of high explosive in a nearby building - they would have dropped what they were doing and evacuated just as quickly. Ditto if they were at all concerned for their safety.

At any rate, I thought that further conversation about the video would be too speculative to do much good, so I decided to drop the subject.

[supersmell]

And they feel no shame whatsoever about it.

Why would they feel shame when they accuse people that they believe are part of the cover up of being part of the cover up?

[flip side]

How about I highlight in BOLD the element which took you out of fair discussion ..

A total Bullshit allegation of being a paid shill or whatever. Your attitude stank from that comment on. Would you like to clarify that ?

Best to work with critics .. don't you think ??

Stann

OK, we were originally discussing Tabea's 'hunch' about the explosion being the second plane impact which firstly I explained was incorrect. You then followed up with: I think that the "hunch" is fairly well based IMO .. but you say is "incorrect". Which I then demonstrated with a timeline that what you and Tabea were calling 'fairly well based' was actually impossible.

You then ignored that and went on to highlight me calling him a shill. Which yes, clearly I did. I didn't base this opinion on one post from the guy but what I have previously seen from his post history. I say this because he uses the typical language of one. Labelling people that question the official story as 'dillusional' typical dis-crediting tactics.

Also I'll quote Tabea from his previous post above:

The so-called "official story" wasn't the work of shadowy elites in a back room somewhere. It was the result of the combined effort of many, many thousands of good men and women. When the "truth" movement calls the "official story" nothing but a massive coverup, they're implicitly accusing all those thousands of people of being willing accomplices to one of the worst single acts of mass murder in history.

Do you see what this guy is doing? He try's to make you feel guilty for questioning the official story. Surely you can see his tactics?! Totally emotive language and imply's that if you dont believe the official story you are calling thousands of innocent people murderers?! WHAT?!!!

Now, I also see how he's backed out of discussing this video anymore. Why? If we know this explosion is not from the second impact of the plane like previously suggested, where did it come from? It certainly doesn't fit in with the 'official story' because, of course, there were no explosions on 9/11 except from the impacts of the planes right?! :rolleyes: I'm not going to speculate where the explosion came from because I have no further proof than this video. But it did happen and that in itself should raise a massive red flag for anyone.

[stannrodd]

Ok Flip,

The point which started this aside to the topic was this post from tabea

I just had a look at the video. My first thought was that the explosion heard by the firefighters was just the second plane impact on the south tower.

If my hunch is incorrect and the explosion is from WTC7 around midday, I'd be interested to know how that determination was made.

Is there a more complete version of that film that doesn't stop a few seconds after the explosion? It might help to answer some questions. You'll forgive me for suspecting that 9/11 truthers just might cut an otherwise innocuous video down to a few seconds to create a false impression.

I never agreed with the "hunch" .. he is allowed an opinion even if "incorrect".

Sorry Flip but I will aside with his "hunch" ,, that being .. his uncertain view .. rather than a conclusion as you suggest ..

In my opinion it was a fair "hunch" .. (but not well thought out). That's still OK .. because it allows a broad perspective of what might have been going down .. rather than coming to a "conclusion" based on a few seconds of footage.

Anyway let's leave it at that .. I think tabea provides a good balance in discussion from an opposing view .. if there wasn't that perspective the place would be a mutual admiration society where debate is stifled by everyone agreeing with each other and no real conclusion ever being reached.

Stann