New Gable Film Surfaces - 'Michigan Dogman' Victim

[zach luebke]

but with what bible girl posted about that date....seems very odd if true.

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probably. wouldn't be linked to a real event because its a staged event.

I have no doubt about that.

The one thing the film isn't is spur-of-the-moment footage of some hapless schmuck running off into the woods chasing after a strange animal he suddenly encountered on the side of the road.

Already having Dogboy in the truck with you before you see it is a dead giveaway. ;)

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so maybe Steve already had a good idea it was a hoax.

Or if that's what happened he might have thought what I would have next - this is footage of an attack the authorities covered up, which is why there's no record of it.

If he kept on thinking he might have come up with a second possibility - that a family of Dogmen made a home horror movie in the woods and the animal that attacks the camera is just Dave's Dad goofing around.

[zach luebke]

Or if that's what happened he might have thought like I would have next - this is footage of an attack the authorities covered up, which is why there's no record of it.

If he kept thinking he might have come up with a second possibility - that a family of Dogmen made a home horror movie in the woods and the animal that attacks the camera is just Dave's Dad goofing around.

or it could be of a goofy mock incident made by people who where involved in filming a staged incident for MSP recruits to give them perspective on bear attack investigations.

[zach luebke]

or it could be of a goofy mock incident made by people who where involved in filming a staged incident for MSP recruits to give them perspective on bear attack investigations.

in that case there wouldn't be any record of it. the name would have been made up by student as fun for giving the victim a name.

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or it could be of a goofy mock incident made by people who where involved in filming a staged incident for MSP recruits to give them perspective on bear attack investigations.

But here's the thing - if you accept QuinlanCoyote is the same person (seems irrefutable to me) how could he possibly have both films in his possession?

The authorities aren't going to give the family of the victim grisly footage they recorded of the victims mutilated body for memories, are they? Police don't show up at the door of a murder victim's family and say "By the way, we've got these awesome snapshots we took of the blood-soaked motel room. Want copies?"

So the two films couldn't have found there way into one person's hands that way.

Coyote would have to be former law enforcement or DNR or someone connected to those agencies himself to have ever had the opportunity to smuggle both films out of the police evidence locker for his own private collection.

Or...the second one at least, is most definitely a fake, shot by the same person who made the first one.

[zach luebke]

But here's the thing - if you accept QuinlanCoyote is the same person (seems irrefutable to me) how could he possibly have both films in his possession?

The authorities aren't going to give the family of the victim grisly footage they recorded of the victims mutilated body for memories, are they? Police don't show up at the door of a murder victim's family and say "By the way, we've got these awesome snapshots we took of the blood-soaked motel room. Want copies?"

So the two films couldn't have found there way into one person's hands that way.

Coyote would have to be former law enforcement or DNR or someone connected to those agencies himself to have ever had the opportunity to smuggle both films out of the police evidence locker for his own private collection.

Or...the second one at least, is most definitely a fake, shot by the same person who made the first one.

Lol

[zach luebke]

Bible Girl, Do you have a way of uploading Gable film " 1977 " to youtube if you have it?

[biblegirl]

Bible Girl, Do you have a way of uploading Gable film " 1977 " to youtube if you have it?

hi zach, that's what i want to do asap but i'm waiting on permission

[metacomet]

well, shadow hour radio show was on again tonight discussing wolf men :)

took a definite turn into shapeshifting, shamanism, things which we haven't heard fully discussed quite yet...

great show.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/shadowhour

I let the host know I'd post this :p will prob make a new thread concerning Shadow Hour though, so as not to derail.

carry on detectives ;)

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hi zach, that's what i want to do asap but i'm waiting on permission

Just don't make your next post a message telling us you suddenly had to rush off to Bellaire at short notice for 'personal reasons.'

Could biblegirl really be Wifey, folks? :eek:

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Okay you know how that Clip Production Assistant requested of me trying to contact the uploaders. Well then I posted that on here for Don Coyote because he uploaded a little bit. Well yesterday I also sent Quinlan a message on youtube Quinlan/ Coyote...whatever uploaded the second. And when I sent the message I checked out his youtube and it said there where no uploads. Now I just checked and the same day and it appears after I sent him that message he uploaded this from a projector http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMu9u4FPyFg
I just saw it not to long ago.

Quinlan

Taken from a film about discipline.

.....(No Daddy,..... not the wooden spoon!!!)

Lol.

That's Coyote right there.

What do you think this is meant to mean Zach?

EDIT: Damn that gets funnier the more times I watch it.

[zach luebke]

Just don't make your next post a message telling us you suddenly had to rush off to Bellaire at short notice for 'personal reasons.'

Could biblegirl really be Wifey, folks? :eek:

Thats like the person whom stated I was quinlan on ghost theory last summer.

[zach luebke]

That's Coyote right there.

What do you think this is meant to mean Zach?

I think its weird.

[zach luebke]

hi zach, that's what i want to do asap but i'm waiting on permission

Okay.

[biblegirl]

Could biblegirl really be Wifey, folks? :eek:

oh no you di'int...

[zach luebke]

That's Coyote right there.

What do you think this is meant to mean Zach?

EDIT: Damn that gets funnier the more times I watch it.

Well thats an odd thing to post if it was in response to my message I sent him maybe he thinks I was trying to draw him out because I was loosing my patience but I was just doing a favor for that Clip Production Assistant on that new show, but I'm not really sure. I told him I wouldn't disclose the information of the new show unless he agreed to it so I didn't inadvertently leak info on a new series.

[zach luebke]

did anyone see that? Quinlan posted " Lol " on Steve B's upload of the gable film on youtube

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Looks like Don took the bait with my whole "It's fake!" approach.

Here's what I posted yesterday in the comments section under the full clip here:

The Gable Film - YouTube

Complete hoax by a middle-aged Michigan man who used to shoot beer commericals. Goes by the online name Don Coyote. Done digitally by Photoshopping a strange head on a series of real animals then blending their movements together.

The video was then transferred back onto old 8mm filmstock which was baked and sandpapered to appear aged and brittle.

I'm not 100% certain because he hasn't confessed yet but all the evidence is there and the fact that the creature effects are much easier to pull off than they look and that you could do the conversion back to 8mm cheaply if you had your own equipment now means the film is no longer anything special as far as I'm concerned.

Two hours ago this forum's favorite werewolf and practical joker re-surfaced to post this reply:

QuinlanOUR12

Lol.

As suspected, he couldn't resist reacting to a direct allegation that he faked it because it's crucial to the Coyote that people think the footage is real.

Hopefully our friend is gearing up to get active again in the lead-up to this MQ debunk job.

[zach luebke]

Looks like Don took the bait with my whole "It's fake!" approach.

Here's what I posted yesterday in the comments section under the full clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDeT8H2CwQ



Two hours ago this forum's favorite werewolf and practical joker posted this reply:



As suspected, he couldn't resist reacting to a direct allegation that he faked it because it's crucial to the Coyote that people think the footage is real.

Hopefully our friend is gearing up to get active again in the lead-up to this MQ debunk job.

lol yea I noticed I instantly thought..."did we push his buttons?"

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lol yea I noticed I instantly thought..."did we push his buttons?"

I just asked him another question there.

It's something that requires clarification.

[zach luebke]

I just asked him another question there.

It's something that requires clarification.

I just sent you a friends request from my youtube account lol.

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Well thats an odd thing to post if it was in response to my message I sent him maybe he thinks I was trying to draw him out because I was loosing my patience but I was just doing a favor for that Clip Production Assistant on that new show, but I'm not really sure. I told him I wouldn't disclose the information of the new show unless he agreed to it so I didn't inadvertently leak info on a new series.

He's probably itching to take up that job offer but I hear those Michigan backwoods whuppin's can be brutal.

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I just sent you a friends request from my youtube account lol.

Got it. Thanks. ;)

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oh no you di'int...

I'm working on enhancements of that symbol on your necklace.

Is that...Scooby Do? :eek:

[zach luebke]

Do you know what you could do Bible Girl...upload it to youtube, set it to private so no one can see but whom you choose. Change the settings so you pick the people who view it and only they can view it.

[zach luebke]

how many views do you think 'Quinlan's' new upload will get by tomorrow lol¿

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Phil Donahue is a MEANIE!!! - YouTube

So what's the meaning behind Don Coyote/QuinlanOUR12's new youtube clip, "Phil Donahue is a Meanie"?

Naturally with all things Coyote it contains clues to the enigma of the Gable Film.

The first and most obvious one is this: Phil Donahue, Donahue = Don Are You.

Confirmation (not that it's needed by this stage) from the horse's mouth that yes, Quinlan and Don Coyote are in fact one and the same. That pun also ties in nicely with the last part of his own name here "OUR12" (Oh you are one too.)

The other confirmation of the connection was Quinlan's posting 8 hours ago under the comments section of the full Gable Film clip here:

The Gable Film - YouTube

where he wrote 'lol' in response to allegations I made that the Gable Film was a hoax perpetrated by one "Don Coyote".

If Quinlan wasn't also Coyote, but a completely unconnected person as both their stories go, he wouldn't have reacted to those comments as if he were Coyote. All academic by now anyway, since everyone had pretty much figured it out, but thanks anyway Don. Moving on...

Apart from the name pun, what else is Coyote telling us here?

The comments he included with the clip were:

QuinlanOUR12
Taken from a film about discipline.

.....(No Daddy,..... not the wooden spoon!!!)

Lol.

The clip does seem to be of a film, projected onto a screen and with the sound of a film projector heard flickering in the background.

But hang on!!!!

From an article in the Lodi News Sentinel, Feb 11, 1980 titled "Donahue: Blandness is trouble with TV:

http://i42.tinypic.com/vfgqdl.jpg
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19800211&id=DbgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0zIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=1181,2146553

What Coyote has shown us doesn't seem to be from a film at all, but is one of Phil Donahue's standard monologues at the end of his TV show, almost certainly the 1980 episode referred to in the above article from the same year.

And yet Coyote has made it look like a film and called it one.

This is something he wanted us to figure out.

Did he convert video of that episode onto film to demonstrate to us that he does indeed have the equipment and know-how to convert video onto 8mm, as I suggested he'd done to hoax the Gable Film?

Alternatively is he demonstrating to us that he can make video look like film when it isn't at all, as he could have done with GF2, since we've only ever seen that film in a nearly identical-style set up?

Or is he cleverly telling us both those things at once?

Whichever it is (or both) it seems clear to me that it is the main intention and meaning behind suddenly deciding to upload only his second ever clip to youtube right now, after first posting Gable Film 2 in exactly the same format almost a year ago.

The saga continues...

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QuinlanOUR12
Phil Donahue is a MEANIE!!!

Phil Donahue is a MEANIE!!! - YouTube

Why did Don choose the word MEANIE there? Did he select it carefully or is it just his preferred slang term to describe a mean person who spanks their kids and has no more relevance than that?

To automatically assume the latter and dismiss the idea that it's another intentional clue that points to something else is to not be familiar with how Coyote rolled during his time on this forum or in his dealings with other people elsewhere as Quinlan.

Our friend seems to derive a tremendous amount of satisfaction from being able to construct clever little packages by pulling together unrelated ideas and things, and this clip looks like a perfect example of that.

Not only has he incorporated the message that he is Don Coyote (Donahue - Don Are You) and got in a joke about the father in the film punishing his sons for showing the Gable Film to the world, but he's also pointed to his own ability to transfer video onto film or to make video appear as though it's on film.

Pretty neat for a six second clip.

So why shouldn't the MEANIE reference also be something he chose very carefully to include in his message in order to convey another clue to the whole thing?

Blue Meanies (Yellow Submarine), fictional music-hating creatures who invade Pepperland in the film Yellow Submarine. They also make an appearance in the film Across the Universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Meanie

Possibly, but Coyote's post below in reply to a question on what his previous signature "I didn't know bunnies could scream" meant, suggests he's a pretty enthusiastic consumer of dark and gothic fiction, so MEANIE might be a reference to something else:


The bunnies thing? Well, it just popped into my head as I was listening to Dave tell the story from "Little Brother's" perspective.

At lunchtime, a few years ago... I had read a short stack of comic books that were sitting in a box of crap that someone was throwing away out of their tool box, at work. It was called "The Maxx". Man, it was dark and creepy... very gothic.

You only have to take a look at the cover of "The Maxx" to see what he's connecting it to here ;) :

http://i41.tinypic.com/rbbk8x.jpg


There was this little girl and she watched a bunny get run over by a car and she decided to take it home and try to nurse it back to health.

One thing that she said, kinda disturbed me,..... she said.....

....."I didn't know bunnies could scream,......... my stomach hurts"...


By that time, I was done reading this wierd shit,..... and listening to Dave talk about this creepy tale of his, it reminded me of that fucking comic book and it's disturbing lethargic twistedness.

I think I know EXACTLY what he's really saying right there but I wont explain my thoughts at the moment because it kinda helps if you've tuned in certain hard to see things in the film and those things will have to wait for another day right now. ;)


Still,......... it popped into my head one day, and I just had to laugh. I dunno,..... kinda a "Elmer Fudd and Bugz Bunny" thing, I could just picture Bugz screaming as Elmer stuck him in a pot with mashed potatoes and green beans.

Note that he didn't feel the need to explain the gruesome plot detail that links the two paragraphs. :p


Sick and twisted,..... but funny, nonetheless?


Naah,..... So I replaced it with classic show tunes from planet Transexual Transylvania. :cool:


:D


:rolleyes:

So anyway, with that bizarre glimpse into the lovably warped mind of the Coyote, I'm thinking if the MEANIE reference has any deeper meaning at all, it'll probably be something more along the lines of this:

http://i39.tinypic.com/64gh1y.jpg
Remnants is a science fiction book series authored by K. A. Applegate between July 2001 and September 2003. It is the story of what happens to the survivors of a desperate mission to save a handful of human beings after an asteroid collides with the Earth. Eighty people are placed aboard a converted space shuttle using untested "quack" hibernation technology and fired blindly into space hours before all life on Earth is obliterated by a large asteroid called The Rock. They are then picked up by a large, sentient space craft of monumental proportions known as 'Mother' which is inhabited by various races. 'Mother' can manipulate the physical environment within the craft's limits and often does so. Only a few people placed in stasis actually were alive and capable of being reanimated when they reached 'Mother'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remnants


There's a lot more intriguing material at the Wikipedia site on all this, but I'll skip to the Notes section where it provides some very interesting information about this fantasy novel series:

* Although there are numerous references to "The Ancient Enemy", it is never specified what The Ancient Enemy is: a being, a place, or something else. Several points of evidence (including Te identifying him as such) point to Billy as being The Ancient Enemy. However, at one point the Troika chant "We are The Ancient Enemy". Furthermore, it is not known who or what The Ancient Enemy is the enemy of.
* The sources of the various mutations are not known. Most are described as being a result of exposure to radiation; however, even some of the characters note that this is not an adequate explanation: some are subtle, while some are extreme (compare the Troika to a lesser mutation like Edward's chameleon-like power to change the color of his skin). Some only become apparent after a time: Tate's mutation "The Mouth" is only discovered over halfway through the series. Also, some of the characters seem to have unusual traits unrelated to the others---examples include Kubrick, whose see-through skin is caused by Mother, and Billy, whose strange abilities (also unexplained) existed before the main events of the stories.
* The bodies of all the corpses of the Mayflower passengers vanish with no explanation. Eight "Missings" are unaccounted for. Three become the Troika, and the others, called "The Missing Five" are later revealed to be, somehow, alive within Billy.

[zach luebke]

Wow, Lol. I was so tired I went to sleep I couldn't think enough to put a lot of thought into it.
Looks like you've put probably to much...lol.

I did find it odd as hell he put what looks like projector footage up from a tv show but thats what I would expect from him.

[zach luebke]

Got in touch with Antrim's Vital Records again. Asked if they had a " John Doe " ( Unknown Person) from April of 1977

"Zach,

We do not have a death certificate for a John Doe or Unknown person in 1977.

Thank-you,"

[zach luebke]

Pretty Clear there isn't any record of a death as seen on these films with Antrim County.

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Pretty Clear there isn't any record of a death as seen on these films with Antrim County.

Still haven't heard from Bellaire Police about the missing persons report?

[zach luebke]

Still haven't heard from Bellaire Police about the missing persons report?

No, They're usually the last ones to reply.

[zach luebke]

You could send them an email asking about any missing persons report that may have been filed around Feb17th to the 19th of 2010 for a non local male that maybe between the ages of 40-60 and is believed to be approx born 1968 approx age 42

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You could send them an email asking about any missing persons report that may have been filed around Feb17th to the 19th of 2010 for a non local male that maybe between the ages of 40-60 and is believed to be approx born 1968 approx age 42

You're much more effective at it than I ever would be and coming from another country here doesn't help either.

[zach luebke]

so have you ever gave any thought to the recent upload from quinlan might be him encoperating things you've said about recording videos onto film¿

[zach luebke]

You're much more effective at it than I ever would be and coming from another country here doesn't help either.

Well I've wrote them a couple times so far so I'm just waiting.

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so have you ever gave any thought to the recent upload from quinlan might be him encoperating things you've said about recording videos onto film¿

I'm thinking that's what it means - that he transferred the original onto 8mm as a hoax, or GF2 was never a film but he made it look like one by projecting a video onto a wall/screen and that's why he posted this - to show he knows how.

I'm wondering where he got the Donahue clip from 1980 to begin with. Did people even have home VCRs in the US back that far to record shows?

If he was a 'film nut' back in the 70s who made beer commericals, maybe by 1980 he was working production crew on the Phil Donahue show and he got the tape from his time there.

Or maybe that clip is on youtube somewhere else.

It's an obscure thing to know how to find when it specifically refers to a father spanking his sons, which can be directly tied in with the father and sons in the film and the idea that he's not posting anymore because he got in trouble for showing these things from Dad. :D

[zach luebke]

I know he is trying to be savvy I believe.
I think he posted that to try to make you think one way.
Such as the DNR message he sent to my youtube after talking about DNR cover up on ghost theory just days before.

[zach luebke]

it'll all be B.S. the films aren't what they appear to be.

[zach luebke]

The statement he sent about a DNR cover up isn't what it appears to be.

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I know he is trying to be savvy I believe.
I think he posted that to try to make you think one way.
Such as the DNR message he sent to my youtube after talking about DNR cover up on ghost theory just days before.

Agreed. I don't trust it at all, but the message is there.

[zach luebke]

and it's amusing.

[zach luebke]

with how things have been always going. Does it appear the films are real, or only hold entertainment value¿

[ Rhetorical Question ]

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and it's amusing.

Bloody funny stuff.

He just needs to be a little bit quicker with his comedy gems though. I guess Canine brains just can't keep pace with their Human counterparts because it's damn tedious in the intervals while he's wagging his tail deep in thought trying to think up these hilarious new pranks.

I know, I know...we should cut him a little slack - it can't be easy when every second thought you have is to lick your own balls.

[zach luebke]

Bloody funny stuff.

He just needs to be a little bit quicker with his comedy gems though. I guess Canine brains just can't keep pace with their Human counterparts because it's damn tedious in the intervals while he's wagging his tail deep in thought trying to think up these hilarious new pranks.

I know, I know...we should cut him a little slack - it can't be easy when every second thought you have is to lick your own balls.

Lmao.

[zach luebke]

One of my relatives has this little crazy black dog. It's probably about 50lbs. Anyways when I went to the store yesterday I pulled in next to a old F150 ( not f250 which looks like its on the Gable films) But it's pretty close lookin' to the truck on the Gable Film and there was two guys in it looked in there 40's one was younger than the other, pretty Ironic stuff.
And the same relative that has the black dog has that super 8 camera...I think its from the 50's or 60's though. However I don't have a bear skin rug but someone might have an old fur coat.
I've done some taxidermy before and if someone shoots a brown bear I could get the stuff to make a rug out of my taxidermy magazine cheaply Lol.

But I don't think it would even need recreated because the theory is sound. And I hate unnecessary crap. But it appears really possible and ironic to pull it off.

[zach luebke]

I just tried calling and leaving a message with the Bellaire PD and after reiterating what I was calling about I then tried leaving my number to call back...I got halfway thru saying my number and the machine cut me off lol.

[biblegirl]

"oh you are one too"

doh! how'd i miss that...

[zach luebke]

who is what now lol¿

[biblegirl]

who is what now lol¿

who knows anymore :D

SOL pointed out that:
OUR12 = oh you are one too

[zach luebke]

who knows anymore :D

SOL pointed out that:
OUR12 = oh you are one too

oh yea that was a little bit ago, Lol. So did you upload that "1977" to youtube and set it to private and make it viewable by me, steve b and sol ¿

[biblegirl]

oh yea that was a little bit ago, Lol. So did you upload that "1977" to youtube and set it to private and make it viewable by me, steve b and sol ¿

didn't you get the memo?



(in other words, no)

[zach luebke]

didn't you get the memo?



(in other words, no)

your sarcasm is almost in likeness to SOL's lol.

[zach luebke]

you're a dogman too?

[zach luebke]

when i watch the Gable Film I think of this song

WATCHMEN Soundtrack 2 --- Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin - YouTube

not sure why, but I watch it while looking at the gable film. Lol.
I find it amusing.

[gurillable]

Hello people,..... It is I.

[biblegirl]

Hello people,..... It is I.

welcome gurillable, it's about time ;)

[zach luebke]

Hello people,..... It is I.

Hey whats up¿

this is ( cheaphunter )

[biblegirl]

illusion Magic Act - America's got talent - Kevin James - YouTube

[gurillable]

thanks for the welcome

[gurillable]

by the way, you missed my deliberate prank.

the ",....." combo that both Don and Quin use. I thought you'd pick me up on that

[zach luebke]

by the way, you missed my deliberate prank.

the ",....." combo that both Don and Quin use. I thought you'd pick me up on that

I always put " ....." too. Habit.

[zach luebke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxXfGHMwzjw

Criss Angel, MindFreakPull - YouTube

[gurillable]

Zach, are you saying that you are cheaphunter? I thought Cheaphunter gave up interest in the Gable film months ago

[zach luebke]

Zach, are you saying that you are cheaphunter? I thought Cheaphunter gave up interest in the Gable film months ago

I am cheaphunter from youtube and in fact I did. Steve B brought some new things to my attention and I couldn't help but get back in official yet again lol.

[biblegirl]

by the way, you missed my deliberate prank.

the ",....." combo that both Don and Quin use. I thought you'd pick me up on that

*courtesy laugh* :p

...It Might Attract Wolfman Everytime Someone Outs Michigan Ecology...

..........yep

[biblegirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2SJk05blc

that's some freaky crap

[zach luebke]

*courtesy laugh* :p

...It Might Attract Wolfman Everytime Someone Outs Michigan Ecology...

..........yep

LMAO, nice.

[zach luebke]

that's some freaky crap

it's freak and not real.
some people have the ability to not have extremities from the waste down. Add in legs to spoof a whole person and you get your magic trick.

[biblegirl]

i don't know if this means anything, just gonna think out loud here....

i've been reading a lot of comments around the web about gable films 1 and 2 when they first came out and also recent comments, and interestingly enough almost all of the people who comment refer to the woodchopper/victim as "she"

is there something to this maybe?

maybe we should be checking for Jane Doe...

[gurillable]

Whats the situation here regarding what you all believe.

Here's where I am.

I don't believe in the 'paranormal' at all.

I believe as I have from the start that its all a hoax. That Steve Cook knows its a hoax, but didnt make it himself. This DonQuin guy is the film-maker and he gets bored when the chat dies down so adds a tit bit to make it fire up again. However its got too flabby and unwieldy by this stage and is starting to fall apart.
I have found the whole thing fascinating, but, just as I like to work out how magic tricks are done, I've been trying to find out how this 'film' has been made. I think its a great piece of work. The only thing I can't be work out with any sense of conviction is how that creature was done.. I have a feeling that its just a remarkably flukey shot of something like a dressed up dog rather than something technically clever.
The reason why I think that, is, if it were CGI or any other composite, then the tracking of the shot is excellent and I think the same dilligence would have been applied to the boy's face composite. So I feel that it has been shot in-camera. ie.. we are looking at what was actually filmed.

I'm just here to witness what could be the final chapter in the saga.

[zach luebke]

i don't know if this means anything, just gonna think out loud here....

i've been reading a lot of comments around the web about gable films 1 and 2 when they first came out and also recent comments, and interestingly enough almost all of the people who comment refer to the woodchopper/victim as "she"

is there something to this maybe?

maybe we should be checking for Jane Doe...

Yes, they always think it's a girl right off. Look at the scene where he is under the hood of the truck. His shirt is undone. It is a guy. I had to point that out so many times.

[biblegirl]

The “Gable film” is an edited 8mm film that has been raising a lot of questions and theories for the last few years. Many have declared this to be an elaborate hoax created by someone wanting to capitalize on the “Michigan Dogman” stories. The film itself is owned by MindStage Productions and can be seen online in a very edited and low quality version. It shows what many have said to be the actual cryptid creature lurking around the Wisconsin and adjacent states. Many researchers have claimed that this is just a hoax created by a radio DJ by the name of Steve Cook. The same person who helped create a fictional story of the “Michigan Dogman” as an April Fool’s joke, stated that he had acquired an old 8mm film with the images of a strange beast that attacks the camera man. He stated that the film was found in an estate sale in the lower peninsula of Michigan.

The 8mm reel did not have any detailed information about who or where the film was shot. The only information known was the inscription “Gable Case #MPO41177-1” that was on the film canister.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/gable09/

at least with this font, that is an "O" (letter) not a "0" (zero)

MPO = Metropolitan Planning Organization
http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9625-92943--,00.html

Michigan Department of Transportation - MPOs are regional organizations that work together with local governments in several areas, including transportation ...

i don't remember if we've gone over this before, but if it was just "MP" followed by numbers, I would guess "mindstage prod" over "michigan police"

[zach luebke]

whats the situation here regarding what you all believe.

Here's where i am.

I don't believe in the 'paranormal' at all.

I believe as i have from the start that its all a hoax. That steve cook knows its a hoax, but didnt make it himself. This donquin guy is the film-maker and he gets bored when the chat dies down so adds a tit bit to make it fire up again. However its got too flabby and unwieldy by this stage and is starting to fall apart.
I have found the whole thing fascinating, but, just as i like to work out how magic tricks are done, i've been trying to find out how this 'film' has been made. I think its a great piece of work. The only thing i can't be work out with any sense of conviction is how that creature was done.. I have a feeling that its just a remarkably flukey shot of something like a dressed up dog rather than something technically clever.
The reason why i think that, is, if it were cgi or any other composite, then the tracking of the shot is excellent and i think the same dilligence would have been applied to the boy's face composite. So i feel that it has been shot in-camera. Ie.. We are looking at what was actually filmed.

I'm just here to witness what could be the final chapter in the saga.

agreed!

[zach luebke]

at least with this font, that is an "O" (letter) not a "0" (zero)

MPO = Metropolitan Planning Organization
http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9625-92943--,00.html



i don't remember if we've gone over this before, but if it was just "MP" followed by numbers, I would guess "mindstage prod" over "michigan police"

(Military Police Officer)

This has been gone through before.

[biblegirl]

Yes, they always think it's a girl right off. Look at the scene where he is under the hood of the truck. His shirt is undone. It is a guy. I had to point that out so many times.

You could use the same scene to argue it's a girl though.

[zach luebke]

You could use the same scene to argue it's a girl though.

Lol sure a women exposing her man boobs. Maybe...

[biblegirl]

You don't have to believe in paranormal stuff to know that not every creature in existence has been documented by science. But that's another topic :D.

Hurry up Monsterquest....

did anyone hear the rumor that MQ could be ending after this season?

[zach luebke]

You don't have to believe in paranormal stuff to know that not every creature in existence has been documented by science. But that's another topic :D.

Hurry up Monsterquest....

did anyone hear the rumor that MQ could be ending after this season?

I agree with that part that not every creature has been documented even abnormal happenings in species have not been doc'ed often.

and also they sure make it seem like this maybe the last of MQ.

[gurillable]

You don't have to believe in paranormal stuff to know that not every creature in existence has been documented by science. But that's another topic

True, that not paranormal, thats just 'things that are yet to be discovered.' No doubt sure there are still many species in remote rainforests, that we still dont know about. (mainly insects and rodents and lizards etc)

[zach luebke]

I got to go to work now I'll be back in a little while.

[zach luebke]

True, that not paranormal, thats just 'things that are yet to be discovered.' No doubt sure there are still many species in remote rainforests, that we still dont know about. (mainly small insects and rodents and lizards etc)

I got some things on my youtube of odd bugs and also panda's where only discoverd in almost the mid 1900's

so ya never know. tty all in a few.

[jmilner]

just found something odd. has everyone hear read the whole history of the song that mr cook wrote on his website? its about 6 or 7 pages and doesnt reveal anything new but heres the interesting part. if you go to the first page theres like an old fashion, i think its called sepia color picture of cook in the upper right. if you hover your mouse over it it turns into a link pointer. if you click it it goes to a password page like some members only inner sanctum. theres nothing on the site that says anything about it. i havent been able to get past the password page but i wonder what that might be for.
shit like that makes me really curious.

[size_of_light]

http://i43.tinypic.com/e0k0ao.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/o8ii5u.jpg
Circled area in right side image rotated 45 degree clockwise

Point being that this is not the 'face' that can be seen clearly on the animal. The moment before this (image on the left) is the frame where it can be seen staring directly at the camera and the circled area below it becomes this 'wolf-like head'.

[biblegirl]

hmm! baby bitey riding on the back maybe :p

[zach luebke]

just found something odd. has everyone hear read the whole history of the song that mr cook wrote on his website? its about 6 or 7 pages and doesnt reveal anything new but heres the interesting part. if you go to the first page theres like an old fashion, i think its called sepia color picture of cook in the upper right. if you hover your mouse over it it turns into a link pointer. if you click it it goes to a password page like some members only inner sanctum. theres nothing on the site that says anything about it. i havent been able to get past the password page but i wonder what that might be for.
shit like that makes me really curious.

I just got back from work. Anyways yea I looked at that page off and on the past week but kept getting annoyed by the dogman song on it and never clicked on that picture. That is odd. I typed in mindstage, nothing happened.

[simmo83]

Hi All,

have been following this for a while now and just came across this idea on another forum....although everyone seems to be thinking this is just a hoax now thought i would throw it in there as a possible id for 'bitey'

http://blogs.scienceforums.net/evoanthro/2008/02/09/meet-an-ancestor-theropithecus-oswaldi/

[size_of_light]

Hi All,

have been following this for a while now and just came across this idea on another forum....although everyone seems to be thinking this is just a hoax now thought i would throw it in there as a possible id for 'bitey'

http://blogs.scienceforums.net/evoanthro/2008/02/09/meet-an-ancestor-theropithecus-oswaldi/

Welcome simmo.

Interesting article. It does look like Oswaldi at certain moments when it's stationary and also when it does that kick-off and swing to the side.

just found something odd. has everyone hear read the whole history of the song that mr cook wrote on his website? its about 6 or 7 pages and doesnt reveal anything new but heres the interesting part. if you go to the first page theres like an old fashion, i think its called sepia color picture of cook in the upper right. if you hover your mouse over it it turns into a link pointer. if you click it it goes to a password page like some members only inner sanctum. theres nothing on the site that says anything about it. i havent been able to get past the password page but i wonder what that might be for.
shit like that makes me really curious.

A bit strange. Not the friendliest member sign-in message either is it?

You must enter a password to continue. Incorrect entry will lock this page.

:mad:

Here's the link: http://www.michigan-dogman.com/00_history_chap1.html

I tried Gable, Dogman, MP0411771...maybe we should compile a list of failed passwords until we can finally crack into Steve's secret lair. Coyote's probably in there.

If anyone makes it through - take screenshots fast before the Dogman site spies are onto us and the password is reset. :D

I need your help with something jm. Between the moment when the camera first steadies on the animal and when the camera first swings to the right as the person filming starts to run - within an approximate range - how many film frames do you estimate are there?

[simmo83]

cheers sol,

yeah like i said have been reading around this / these films for some time now and when i saw this mentioned it kind of made sense on a few points (apart from the fact it is supposed to be extinct of course!)

they were supposed to be the same size as a small gorilla, the muzzle is longer / more canine than a gorilla and the ears on a baboon are visable on the top of the head like on bitey.

would have thrown this into the mix earlier when the debate was more centred around what bitey is had i come across it then.

anyway keep up the good work guys

[size_of_light]

they were supposed to be the same size as a small gorilla, the muzzle is longer / more canine than a gorilla and the ears on a baboon are visable on the top of the head like on bitey.

I'm working on a proper closeup slow motion enhancement that will hopefully sharpen him up substantially and the results so far are very encouraging.

In the meantime as a teaser, you can save this gif, blow it up in Picture Viewer and watch it on loop.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2upfg3n.gif

I've found the more you stare at these loops the more your brain seems to be able to make sense of a lot of details that aren't immediately apparent to the naked eye and you really begin to 'see' it. A very useful way I've found to enhance that experience is to count the different frames in your head as you watch it and get into a rythm as you do it. Pretty soon you know what's coming next. Everyone can see this better than they think.

EDIT: Tip for anyone interested in getting fired - use a Bitey screensaver at work.

[simmo83]

I'm working on a proper realtime enhancement that will hopefully sharpen him up substantially and the results so far are very encouraging.

In the meantime as a teaser, you can save this gif, blow it up in Picture Viewer and watch it on loop.

http://i42.tinypic.com/20ubcew.gif

I've found the more you stare at these loops the more your brain seems to be able to make sense of a lot of details that aren't immediately apparent to the naked eye and you really begin to 'see' it.

EDIT: Tip for anyone interested in getting fired - use a Bitey screensaver at work.

gave that a go...but now my eyes hurt lol. i was rubbish at those magic eye things as a kid though to be fair! :D

looking forward to the day after the MQ show when hopefully all you guys who will see it (i don't have history channel :( ) will be discussing it.

any news on posting this longer clip you have got hold of bg? has seeing the extra footage swayed you one way or the other on whether this is just a big hoax?

[size_of_light]

gave that a go...but now my eyes hurt lol. i was rubbish at those magic eye things as a kid though to be fair! :D

Haha. Yep. You gotta stick with it and be relentless but I know what you mean - it can be hard on the eyes.


looking forward to the day after the MQ show when hopefully all you guys who will see it (i don't have history channel :( ) will be discussing it.

I doubt we'll see it here in Aus anytime soon either, but I'm sure it'll show up on youtube one day.

[size_of_light]

I updated the gif I posted above - didn't realise I'd left off the end bit.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2upfg3n.gif

For anyone interested in feeling very unnerved, take the time to enlarge it and focus on the point when it passes the white stick until the ending, over and over.

Remember when I said this thing has a massive gaping mouth at the front of it's chest which opens up as it charges and could easily have swallowed the lower half of Aaron Gable in one gulp?

http://i39.tinypic.com/ix9w13.jpg

To not see it is to just not have taken enough time to tune it in yet. ;)

If this thing is real, it's not the Michigan Dogman.

[size_of_light]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2i1yrd1.gif

Real or fake, everybody can agree this seems like a pretty intense love bite for the animal in the first film to have given the victim right?

* lower the lights, cue dramatic music please *

I put it to you, Don Coyote, that you knew the creature in the original had the capacity to inflict this wound when you faked the second one!

* crash of thunder, flash of lighting. Buster the poodle in the corner whimpers and buries his eyes under his paws *

[biblegirl]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2i1yrd1.gif

Real or fake, everybody can agree this seems like a pretty intense love bite for the animal in the first film to have given the victim right?

* lower the lights, cue dramatic music *

I put it to you, Don Coyote, that you knew the creature in the original had the capacity to inflict this wound when you faked the second one!

* crash of thunder, flash of lighting. Buster the poodle in the corner whimpers and buries his eyes under his paws *

just after filming the body, the camera moves up and it looks like there is a house or some sort of building pretty close

[size_of_light]

just after filming the body, the camera moves up and it looks like there is a house or some sort of building pretty close

Can you get a screenshot of that?

[biblegirl]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4254/house2u.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/house2u.jpg/)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6384/house1v.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/house1v.jpg/)

[biblegirl]

Can you get a screenshot of that?

yeah i don't know if everyone else sees a building there, just wanted to point it out since it kinda feels like gable film 2 is taking us way out into the woods but perhaps it was closer to "home" than it looked...or maybe someone found this in their front yard

[size_of_light]

yeah i don't know if everyone else sees a building there, just wanted to point it out since it kinda feels like gable film 2 is taking us way out into the woods but perhaps it was closer to "home" than it looked...or maybe someone found this in their front yard

It looks like it was filmed somewhere similar but not the same place, or it was filmed later...maybe in the same season but in another year. The colour tones are different in each movie but whichever way I look at it I don't get a strong connection between the two places.

It seems like much more distance was covered when the person in the original moves into the woods but the way the second one is shot, it creates the impression they've just stepped off the side of the road into parkland.

[biblegirl]

just found something odd. has everyone hear read the whole history of the song that mr cook wrote on his website? its about 6 or 7 pages and doesnt reveal anything new but heres the interesting part. if you go to the first page theres like an old fashion, i think its called sepia color picture of cook in the upper right. if you hover your mouse over it it turns into a link pointer. if you click it it goes to a password page like some members only inner sanctum. theres nothing on the site that says anything about it. i havent been able to get past the password page but i wonder what that might be for.
shit like that makes me really curious.

dang. now the rest of us are really curious :p

[size_of_light]

dang. now the rest of us are really curious :p

I can solve this mystery right now:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rh5q2f.jpg

[merla]

I can solve this mystery right now:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rh5q2f.jpg

Don Coyote is an evil beagle?

[size_of_light]

Don Coyote is an evil beagle?

You've always been one step ahead of everybody else on this thread baby. ;)

[drksunrise]

just found something odd. has everyone hear read the whole history of the song that mr cook wrote on his website? its about 6 or 7 pages and doesnt reveal anything new but heres the interesting part. if you go to the first page theres like an old fashion, i think its called sepia color picture of cook in the upper right. if you hover your mouse over it it turns into a link pointer. if you click it it goes to a password page like some members only inner sanctum. theres nothing on the site that says anything about it. i havent been able to get past the password page but i wonder what that might be for.
shit like that makes me really curious.

Been following all 200 pags, and finally found something I can comment on intelligently.

Checked the page source -
<HTML>
<!--no pwrd - just click sbmt-->
<!--This file created 5/18/2009 6:29 PM by Claris Home Page version 3.0-->
<HEAD>
<BASE HREF="http://www.michigan-dogman.com/stpers">
<TITLE>index</TITLE>
<META NAME=GENERATOR CONTENT="Claris Home Page 3.0">
<X-CLARIS-WINDOW TOP=132 BOTTOM=570 LEFT=21 RIGHT=551>
<X-CLARIS-REMOTESAVE SERVER="ftp.michigan-dogman.com" USER=noahsdad DIR="/michigan-dogman.com/stpers/" FILE="">
<X-CLARIS-TAGVIEW MODE=minimal>

</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#999999">
<CENTER>&nbsp;

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P>

<P>&nbsp;</P></CENTER>

<H3><CENTER>You must enter a password to continue. Incorrect entry
will lock this page.</CENTER></H3>

<CENTER>Password <INPUT TYPE=password NAME=name VALUE="" SIZE=30>

<P><INPUT TYPE=submit NAME=Submit VALUE="Submit"></P>

<P>&nbsp;</P></CENTER>


The submit button doesnt go anywhere. For whatever reason, this page appears to be some sort of red herring... ?
Interesting thing in that page though, is whoever created it left their FTP site and username in there. Any idea who "NoahsDad" is?

[biblegirl]

Been following all 200 pags, and finally found something I can comment on intelligently.

Checked the page source -

The submit button doesnt go anywhere. For whatever reason, this page appears to be some sort of red herring... ?
Interesting thing in that page though, is whoever created it left their FTP site and username in there. Any idea who "NoahsDad" is?

wow...um...hmm

....and welcome to the forum :)

[drksunrise]

Heh heh - sorry. Should have explained better.

Usually when you have a password and submit button like that, it will send the text from that field to the next page, make sure it is the correct password, then let you in or deny access. This page - the submit button doesnt do anything. The page is just setup with a box a button, nowhere to go.

[zach luebke]

yeah i don't know if everyone else sees a building there, just wanted to point it out since it kinda feels like gable film 2 is taking us way out into the woods but perhaps it was closer to "home" than it looked...or maybe someone found this in their front yard

Gap in trees revealing sky.

Only structure seen, is in the first film a couple times and if it was "closer to home" most likely would have been that same white building.

[zach luebke]

Heh heh - sorry. Should have explained better.

Usually when you have a password and submit button like that, it will send the text from that field to the next page, make sure it is the correct password, then let you in or deny access. This page - the submit button doesnt do anything. The page is just setup with a box a button, nowhere to go.

Lol yea, I didn't put anything in the password box yesterday before heading to work, just hit submit and nothing happened I thought it would have acted like it was checking on it. Before that I had tried "mindstage" and nothing happened either it appears its doesn't lead anywhere.

[zach luebke]

His dad was Lamech¿

[merla]

You've always been one step ahead of everybody else on this thread baby. ;)

:o Why thank you kind sir.

On an unrelated but strangely concincidental note, on the way back from my Grandma's house this evening I saw a wolf stencilled on the side of a motorway bridge, I'm glad I wasn't wearing my red coat.


That password page that leads nowhere seems like so many other things we're had dangled in front of us lately. :rolleyes:

[size_of_light]

Quinlan has posted another clip only 2 hours ago:

Summer 1973:

One Gable Summer 1973.wmv - YouTube

At 4:38 it's the longest yet.

[zach luebke]

His dad was Lamech¿

In Steve's Song the dogman comes every seventh year.
Noah's father Lamech died when he was 777yrs old.

[zach luebke]

Quinlan has posted another clip only 2 hours ago:

Summer 1973:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQqKTr0t17k

his info on the video


Okay folks, there's something I've been keeping to myself by request of my Uncle
Johnny. But since my first upload failed to motivate the proper individuals into action,
Uncle Johnny says it's okay to reveal that he and Aaron Gable were BEST BUDS throughout
their childhood.

Johnny let Aaron borrow one of his movie cameras on several occasions, and Johnny would
develop all their films in our Grandmother's basement. Johnny typically made three copies
of every film he made, and this is one of those copies.

Here is the Gable family from 1973. Aaron is the one on the unicycle and in the red and
blue SCUBA gear. Aaron's youngest son, Willie, is riding the purple Volkswagon Motorbike
while his oldest son, Joe, crashes into a tree.

Johnny did alot of the camerawork in this film, and was typically paid for his services
in Twinkies and Pabst Blue Ribbon. (That might explain his diabetes, now).


Johnny believes that since the truth has NOT been revealed by now, that some of these
FEDERALLY PROTECTED creatures still roam parts of the midwest. If they had gone extinct
by now, there would be no reason to keep covering up their existance.




We'll have to wait and see what happens.

[biblegirl]

his info on the video

"Okay folks, there's something I've been keeping to myself by request of my Uncle
Johnny. But since my first upload failed to motivate the proper individuals into action,
Uncle Johnny says it's okay to reveal that he and Aaron Gable were BEST BUDS throughout
their childhood.

Johnny let Aaron borrow one of his movie cameras on several occasions, and Johnny would
develop all their films in our Grandmother's basement. Johnny typically made three copies
of every film he made, and this is one of those copies.

Here is the Gable family from 1973. Aaron is the one on the unicycle and in the red and
blue SCUBA gear. Aaron's youngest son, Willie, is riding the purple Volkswagon Motorbike
while his oldest son, Joe, crashes into a tree.

Johnny did alot of the camerawork in this film, and was typically paid for his services
in Twinkies and Pabst Blue Ribbon. (That might explain his diabetes, now).


Johnny believes that since the truth has NOT been revealed by now, that some of these
FEDERALLY PROTECTED creatures still roam parts of the midwest. If they had gone extinct
by now, there would be no reason to keep covering up their existance."

i have to admit, this little blurb made me start liking coyote a lil...good stuff

[zach luebke]

at the end after the film goes out a little I saw the dogman shadow...or was that just someones hand...

[biblegirl]

at the end after the film goes out a little I saw the dogman shadow...or was that just someones hand...

:p

[biblegirl]

Heh heh - sorry. Should have explained better.

Usually when you have a password and submit button like that, it will send the text from that field to the next page, make sure it is the correct password, then let you in or deny access. This page - the submit button doesnt do anything. The page is just setup with a box a button, nowhere to go.

i knew what you meant, you did fine lol i just didn't know what to make of it :D

[zach luebke]

if quinlan was really adamant on getting the truth out there why didn't he respond to my message about that Production Assistant wanting to get in contact with him.

[size_of_light]

Unicycle!

The kid coming up the road in the first film when the dog is sniffing the snow is riding a unicycle! :D

But since my first upload failed to motivate the proper individuals into action,

Who are the 'proper individuals'? THE DNR?

Johnny believes that since the truth has NOT been revealed by now, that some of these
FEDERALLY PROTECTED creatures still roam parts of the midwest. If they had gone extinct
by now, there would be no reason to keep covering up their existance.

By FEDERALLY PROTECTED does he mean wildlife, or himself?

[biblegirl]

any news on posting this longer clip you have got hold of bg? has seeing the extra footage swayed you one way or the other on whether this is just a big hoax?

i'm working on it he he....um i want to say it's real, but the tricky thing about these films is that stuff could go either way: the parts that convince me it's real could also convince me it's a hoax

the creature looks real to me

[size_of_light]

if quinlan was really adamant on getting the truth out there why didn't he respond to my message about that Production Assistant wanting to get in contact with him.

Because it's more BS.

He hardly did his best to make himself look sincere or trustworthy when he first posted GF2, did he?

Not the most reliable-sounding of whistleblowers I've ever come across.

[size_of_light]

Final line posted with clip:

QuinlanOUR12
We'll have to wait and see what happens.

[size_of_light]

http://i43.tinypic.com/5b1c03.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/28i3ivs.jpg

That's definitely Do...the Little Kid seen in the truck mirror. Suddenly that other nickname seems a bit inappropriate now. Michievous-looking scamp isn't he?

http://i43.tinypic.com/n12hp0.jpg

I'd recognise that maniacal grin anywhere.

http://i39.tinypic.com/dy6ro8.jpg

Looks a lot like the same dog in the first film as a pup.

http://i44.tinypic.com/16bxa85.jpg

Same truck. The homestead looks familiar too.

[zach luebke]

with all the dogs in the films out in the back woods...was he breeding them with bears? Lol, jk.

[zach luebke]

didn't coyote say the truck was just bought and got running? but that was in 77 and this is 73.
and yea easy point out the puppy is in GF2.

[zach luebke]

whats the background noise, is he watching tv while he recorded this

[metacomet]

i'm working on it he he....um i want to say it's real, but the tricky thing about these films is that stuff could go either way: the parts that convince me it's real could also convince me it's a hoax

the creature looks real to me

That's completely where I'm at right now...

cmon monsterquest... only 1 more week or so.

[merla]

didn't coyote say the truck was just bought and got running? but that was in 77 and this is 73.
and yea easy point out the puppy is in GF2.

He said they found it a few days earlier and Aaron had just got it working again, they were joyriding in it when they saw the creature. Or something like that anyway.

[zach luebke]

He said they found it a few days earlier and Aaron had just got it working again, they were joyriding in it when they saw the creature. Or something like that anyway.

Oh.
Thanks Merla.

[drksunrise]

I agree the audio on this is strange. It keeps going from the left to the right channel. Plus - did the other Quinlan video have background audio like this?

Sounds like an old cartoon, thought for sure I heard bugs bunny.

[zach luebke]

I agree the audio on this is strange. It keeps going from the left to the right channel. Plus - did the other Quinlan video have background audio like this?

Sounds like an old cartoon, thought for sure I heard bugs bunny.

I looked thru the first one, only background i heard was the projector, this one from 73 is the projector sound and something like a cartoon on tv.

[merla]

I agree the audio on this is strange. It keeps going from the left to the right channel. Plus - did the other Quinlan video have background audio like this?

Sounds like an old cartoon, thought for sure I heard bugs bunny.

Don had a thing for rabbits that scream :rolleyes:

[size_of_light]

whats the background noise, is he watching tv while he recorded this

Probably Deputy Dawg cartoons.

[zach luebke]

probably deputy dawg cartoons.

lmao

[zach luebke]

lol nice picture SOL

[jmilner]

I need your help with something jm. Between the moment when the camera first steadies on the animal and when the camera first swings to the right as the person filming starts to run - within an approximate range - how many film frames do you estimate are there?

rough estimate 112 film frames, 180 digital frames. based on 6.22 seconds X 18 frames film, or 6.22 seconds X 29 frames digital.

[zach luebke]

Did Uncle John pull away suddenly with the camera because he realized it was his buddy Aaron only at that moment, even though the cop held up paper saying it was him before hand. Why'd he go through filming after he should have found out it was his friend dead while the cop holding the signs was smirking.

[zach luebke]

Hey Jmilner, how'v you been?

[jmilner]

i think its prediction time. if this march 24 episode is really about the gable film, what does everyone think the monster quest people will conclude? and whatever their opinion is do you think it will settle the matter?
here's my guess. they will study the film frame by frame, point out the obvious flaws, but express wonder at how bitey seems to change. they will conclude its probably a large dog, but some weird trick of light or flaw in the film makes it look monstrous.
i am really friggin curious about coyotes claim that some of daves family will be interviewed. if thats true, this thing could take a twist better than a hollywood script. suppose thats why they made it the season finale?

[jmilner]

Hey Jmilner, how'v you been?

better than most, still not my best. :)

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Lol..you're not going to believe this folks...

In the dark section towards the end of the film Aaron Gable turns into the Dogman in full closeup looking at the camera, fangs and all.

I kid you not.

That's why Coyote darkened it.

[zach luebke]

better than most, still not my best. :)

Yea I understand that. Yesterday I got called into work to inspect some things, should have taken a couple hours, ended up being 9. Then with combining Quinlans stuff I haven't time to relax Lol.

[zach luebke]

Lol..you're not going to believe this folks...

In the dark section towards the end of the film Aaron Gable turns into the Dogman in full closeup looking at the camera, fangs and all.

I kid you not.

That's why Coyote darkened it.

that part where he was on his knees in the grass playing with that whitish dog with the curvy tail?

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that part where he was on the his knees in the grass playing with that whitish dog with the curvy tail?

No, between about 4:01 and 4:05

I'm heading out now but if no one's bumped and sharpened it up when I get back I'll do it then.

[zach luebke]

No, between about 4:01 and 4:05

I'm heading out now but if no one's bumped and sharpened it up when I get back I'll do it then.

ttyl then. You'll probably be the one to enhance it anyway lol.

[zach luebke]

No, between about 4:01 and 4:05

I'm heading out now but if no one's bumped and sharpened it up when I get back I'll do it then.

I just see him playing with that dog I mentioned.

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I just see him playing with that dog I mentioned.

Stay tuned for some of the most mind-blowing images anyone has ever seen.

EDIT: And it'd probably be a good idea for everyone who can to save the clip. ;)

[zach luebke]

Stay tuned for some of the most mind-blowing images anyone has ever seen.

EDIT: And it'd probably be a good idea for everyone who can to save the clip. ;)

Lol, alright.

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Lol, alright.

Lol, or I've just made a fool of myself not for the first time and am definitely seeing things now.

Probably that one. :p

I gotta take a break from this...off to ride my unicycle in the backyard. :D

[zach luebke]

Lol, or I've just made a fool of myself not for the first time and am definitely seeing things now.

Probably that one. :p

I gotta take a break from this...off to ride my unicycle in the backyard. :D

Lol, just drink some whiskey and you'll be fine. I'm pretty sure it's just him playing with a dog on the ground.

[biblegirl]

especially for you sol ;)

Q: Half-werewolf, real or not?
What i mean is, can a person be a half human half werewolf? Cause like i do but i'm not sure.

No this is not from the 'twilight' books or movie.
This is to the nureses and other 'educated' people out there! i do not care if you have a good education, it does not make you automatically right!

A:YES, there can be. Half-werewolves are actually even more common than full werewolves, but for a reason I'll get to later.

If either or both parents are werewolves, the child will be a full werewolf - however, if the pregnant mother becomes a werewolf and gives birth BEFORE THE NEXT FULL MOON, then the child will be a half-werewolf, with half the transformation of a full werewolf.

All werewolves, including half-werewolves, always pass on their trait to the next generation, but many are reluctant to have children - for that reason. But half-werewolves are difficult to track, and I'll tell you why:

Werewolves, including half-werewolves, transform EVERY NIGHT - except for the new moon. As the moon gets fuller, the transformation becomes more wolfish. But there is a bright side - there is a medicine (which we lovingly coined "werewolf pills") that can help prevent the transformation on every night except the full moon. That's why werewolves only come out on the full moon. However, this means that they can be slightly tracked. Half-werewolves, however, can take the medicine every night, because they never become fully transformed. This makes them infinitely more difficult to track, and therefore baffles the people trying to get them. So the half-werewolves survive and, I don't want to say it, but "breed".

The people who give scientific explanations make me sad. If it made sense, it wouldn't be magical, would it? There are half-werewolves out there, and if you'd like, I'll list the ways to find them and inform you on how to recognize them. (This goes for werewolves AND half-werewolves.)

1. Approximately twelve hours after taking the werewolf pills, the stuff wears off and for a moment, the werewolf tries to break free before being subdued by the sun. This causes a short burst of anger in whoever has taken a pill twelve hours before. If a person is experiencing anger in short, random bursts at scheduled times that increases in ferocity as the full moon approaches, you've got yourself a werewolf. (Note: this is only if they actually take pills. Some just seal themselves in a room during their transformations, mostly if they can't afford the cost of pills that are being dealt under the table.)
2. After the half-moon, werewolves start to become more wolflike, which has its effects on the person in the day as well. If someone seems to have more energy than normal at around noon to six in the afternoon on a regular basis after a half-moon is growing, then it's likely that they are a werewolf if they have the other signs, too.
3. If a person seems to be looking more tired as the full moon approaches, that's another sign. Werewolves sleep less and less as the full moon approaches. They don't need that lost sleep, but it looks like they do.

These three signs are the biggest tell-tale signs of them all. There are a few more, such as they are NEVER vegetarians, but those aren't as important. If you manage to find one and they confess it to you, then you must keep it a secret unless they specifically tell you it's okay to tell others. It's only common courtesy. Sorry if you didn't want this much in a response, but it's fun to get it out. ;)

YES, they are very real. Yes, one of your friends could be. No, you are not in danger at all. That's a promise made by the hunters, but also most of the pack.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090220153936AADhNrk


Damnit,........ I'm late for my meds. :(


..... I'll be right back. :rolleyes:

[zach luebke]

so bible girl what do u think of that hidden password page from Noah's dad who died at the age of 777yr old while the michigan dogman legend by Steve Cook was legend it strikes every 7th year lol ¿

[zach luebke]

so bible girl what do u think of that hidden password page from Noah's dad who died at the age of 777yr old while the michigan dogman legend by Steve Cook was legend it strikes every 7th year lol ¿

oh, and the page goes nowhere.

[biblegirl]

so bible girl what do u think of that hidden password page from Noah's dad who died at the age of 777yr old while the michigan dogman legend by Steve Cook was legend it strikes every 7th year lol ¿

and in 1977 :eek:

yep the password page was pretty interesting...can you tell from the properties that it goes nowhere even if a "correct" password was entered??

it's pretty mysterious and i do wonder if this is all a clever sort of treasure hunt for anyone willing to exhaust themselves looking for clues

also zach did you happen to check with the DMV about the vehicle registration?

[zach luebke]

and in 1977 :eek:

yep the password page was pretty interesting...can you tell from the properties that it goes nowhere even if a "correct" password was entered??

it's pretty mysterious and i do wonder if this is all a clever sort of treasure hunt for anyone willing to exhaust themselves looking for clues

also zach did you happen to check with the DMV about the vehicle registration?

I asked Antrim County to check and see if a vehicle was reg. to an Aaron Gable from that time period when I was in on this last year I however only asked Bellaire PD and the Sheriff. They didn't find anything.

[zach luebke]

here is part of the email I sent to Antrim County Sherif. -

" I am looking to confirm if there was a vehicle registered to an Aaron Gable around the 1970, Make-Truck, Model-(possibly 1968 Ford F250), Color- light blue. And if it was found in association with the site of a hunting accident and or possible animal attack, or missing person case. The truck may have been documents as part of the case as evidence."

[biblegirl]

http://michiganblogging.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mackinac_bridge.jpg

One of the very interesting facts about Michigan is that it has the longest suspension bridge which connects the upper and the lower peninsulas of the state of Michigan. This bridge is called the Mackinac Bridge which is pronounced with a silent “c” at the end of the word.
This massive bridge was built in the 1880s and was formally opened on November 1st, 1957 which ended the decades of the two peninsulas connected by ferries. With a length of 3,800 feet the Mackinac Bridge is the world’s third longest suspension bridge in the United States of America and the twelfth longest in the world.
The bridge has a particular toll fee varying for every different type of automobile. There are provisions for a renovation program which costs up to $300 million and this is funded from the collection of the toll fee the year around. It takes seven years to complete the painting of the entire bridge and the moment they complete the painting they start all over again. Hence this shows that the bridge is definitely maintained well. There is also a bridge walk held here every Labor Day where the bridge opens up for people to take a walk and view its beautiful scenery. Thousands of people cross this bridge on foot who are led by the governor of the state and this definitely upholds the history and significance of this bridge making it a must-see places in Michigan.

Location:
Interstate 75,
Straits of Mackinac,

Northern Michiganhttp://michiganblogging.com/

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6792/bridgeap.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/bridgeap.jpg/)

[zach luebke]

http://michiganblogging.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mackinac_bridge.jpg

http://michiganblogging.com/

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6792/bridgeap.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/bridgeap.jpg/)

this just reminded me of something that is probably just ironic....

[zach luebke]

thats what is ironic i have to delete my thoughts for the moment sorry.

If you have an email or youtube you should contact me through that.

[zach luebke]

i posted those questions to you so since you read em I deleted them since I don't know your email but everyone should know how to get in touch with me by now.

[zach luebke]

Size of Light, you can contact me through youtube, give me your email address if you have one.

[zach luebke]

I emailed you bible girl.

[zach luebke]

This was so fucking exiting I accedentlly burned my finger with my cigarettes as it fell out my mouth and I tried to catch it with my index and middle finger.

[biblegirl]

This was so fucking exiting I accedentlly burned my finger with my cigarettes as it fell out my mouth and I tried to catch it with my index and middle finger.

that's weird i just tipped my candle over and it spilled hot wax on my hand :eek:

[zach luebke]

that's weird i just tipped my candle over and it spilled hot wax on my hand :eek:

lol we're getting burned over this!
...ironic. Lol

[zach luebke]

Was it your left hand...¿

[zach luebke]

Size of Light, I messaged you on youtube. Check that ASAP.

[zach luebke]

Don had a thing for rabbits that scream :rolleyes:

Something true about me on the contrary- I was born the year of the rabbit and every time a rabbit has cried out in agony I've snapped it's neck in mercy.

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Lol..you're not going to believe this folks...

In the dark section towards the end of the film Aaron Gable turns into the Dogman in full closeup looking at the camera, fangs and all.

I kid you not.

That's why Coyote darkened it.

You are a clever coyote! Come here boy...good dog.

jmilner, before I go posting anything and making an ass of myself on this one, can you take a look at 4:01 - 4:30 on the new clip and tell me whether you think that looks like two layers of film projecting at once?

I think Don's about to become my hero and new best friend. :D

2010: The Year We Make Contact.

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And I, for one, welcome our new canine overlords.

[1999]

I see a very small satellite dish in the window of Aaron's house at 2:10.
That would be impossible in 1973.
What do you guys see there?

[1999]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zr1a4x.gif

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I miss that guy. Although sometimes it feels like he's still here, quietly watching over us all.

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I see a very small satellite dish in the window of Aaron's house at 2:10.
That would be impossible in 1973.
What do you guys see there?

Hard to tell. Do rural folk just stick them right outside their windows like that? Never heard of a ladder?

http://i42.tinypic.com/m7aq6a.jpg

[jmilner]

You are a clever coyote! Come here boy...good dog.

jmilner, before I go posting anything and making an ass of myself on this one, can you take a look at 4:01 - 4:30 on the new clip and tell me whether you think that looks like two layers of film projecting at once?

I think Don's about to become my hero and new best friend. :D

2010: The Year We Make Contact.

don't think its two layers of film. not even sure how you would do that. it looks to me like the film at that point was underexposed, like it was shot around dusk. look at the projected 'box', that fuzzy area around the image. it doesn't change at all, but the brightness and depth of field of the image changes dramatically.
it also seems to run at a faster speed, indicating it was originally filmed at a slower frame rate than the rest of the film. so that means its either spliced on, or the camera it was shot on has adjustable frame speed shooting. im trying to find out if the bell autoload offered that feature.
other interesting thing is the length. its one minute too long for a standard consumer reel of 8mm film. theres either a splice in there somewhere, or it's 16mm.

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don't think its two layers of film. not even sure how you would do that. it looks to me like the film at that point was underexposed, like it was shot around dusk. look at the projected 'box', that fuzzy area around the image. it doesn't change at all, but the brightness and depth of field of the image changes dramatically.
it also seems to run at a faster speed, indicating it was originally filmed at a slower frame rate than the rest of the film. so that means its either spliced on, or the camera it was shot on has adjustable frame speed shooting. im trying to find out if the bell autoload offered that feature.
other interesting thing is the length. its one minute too long for a standard consumer reel of 8mm film. theres either a splice in there somewhere, or it's 16mm.

I think the whole thing is a splice or edit job or whatever you call it. Could have been digitzed and he's just projecting that onto a screen...again.

But that dark scene...he's done that for a reason.

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Welcome back btw Don.

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We've still got 74-76 coming yet.

As many sequels as Rocky.

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Alright...alright...better break this thing down scene by scene, see what he's stuck in there. :rolleyes:

:p

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There's the woodpile from the original film by the looks of it:

http://i42.tinypic.com/9zswz.jpg

That may become a place of pilgrimage one day.

[shankers]

The new film is very creepy. I'm a huge horror film fan, but it made me jump on occasions. I just get a really bad vibe from it, even more so than GF1 and 2.

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OK. Apart from me, hands up anybody in the room right now who ISN'T Don Coyote or a member of the extended Gable clan?

Zach, biblegirl, merla....helllllp!!!!!!

[shankers]

I'm not.

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This guy is definitely a new David Lynch.

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The new film is very creepy. I'm a huge horror film fan, but it made me jump on occasions. I just get a really bad vibe from it, even more so than GF1 and 2.

What bits made you jump?

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This guy is definitely a new David Lynch.

Best movie?

Eraserhead without a doubt for my money.

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Which bits? When Aaron Gable (or whoever he is) showed his big bearded face all of a sudden on a couple of occasions.

SOL, please show your enhancements of the last 30 seconds- I've tried to enhance the brightness but I can't make what's happening clear.

Maybe it's just the way it is recorded, but how can the kid make himself move around the garden with that steering wheel at the start; is there enough time for him to shuffle between the slow frame rate?

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Maybe it's just the way it is recorded, but how can the kid make himself move around the garden with that steering wheel at the start; is there enough time for him to shuffle between the slow frame rate?

I don't know.

Who's to say it wasn't done on video? We used to do stop motion animation like this on my Dad's old Kyocera video camera with our home horror movies back in the 80s.

[bharvey]

The first part with the kids driving their butts around the yard,
that's pretty standard and simple with those old cameras.
They had a pretty good trigger control to start and stop the film.
Everybody tried to be a Ray Harryhausen.

The thing in the window looks like an air conditioner.
Don't know if you need air conditioners up north,
maybe a window heater?

[shankers]

Just did a census search for an 'Aaron Gable' in relation to deaths in Michigan between 1971 and 1996, and there's no match.

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The first part with the kids driving their butts around the yard,
that's pretty standard and simple with those old cameras.
They had a pretty good trigger control to start and stop the film.

It reminds me of the same effects on the UK TV show The Goodies.

You've played around with these old cameras yourself?

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Just did a census search for an 'Aaron Gable' in relation to deaths in Michigan between 1971 and 1996, and there's no match.

I doubt Coyote would have been protecting their identities with pseudonyms if the guy's real name had already shown up in the second film.

[shankers]

The only 'Gable' deaths we have in Michigan in 1977 are Charles J (Kent, Michigan) and Melvin C (Monroe, Michigan).

[shankers]

Interestingly, there are both William and Joseph Gables of approximately the right age to fit the 1973 film in terms of Michigan births. When I'm at my library next I'll do further investigation to ascertain whether there's a familial connection between them all.

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The only 'Gable' deaths we have in Michigan in 1977 are Charles J (Kent, Michigan) and Melvin C (Monroe, Michigan).

I think GF2 was shot a fair bit later than that. ;)

[shankers]

When I said 'fit 1973', I mean old enough to fit how they appear in the film in 1973. I searched for Michigan births in 1960 +/- 5 years.

[shankers]

Searched all the way up until the mid-1990s now, and I can't find the death of an Aaron Gable in Michigan. The best lead for the death of an Aaron Gable is in California.

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When I said 'fit 1973', I mean old enough to fit how they appear in the film in 1973. I searched for Michigan births in 1960 +/- 5 years.

Going back even further no Aaron's show up.

We need access to the Martian records I think.

[shankers]

No, but if I can find that William and Joseph are related and have the same father, we can find 'Aaron Gable's' real name.

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No, but if I can find that William and Joseph are related and have the same father, we can find 'Aaron Gable's' real name.

It might work...provided they're not also pseudonyms.

There is no Uncle John though Quinlan referred to him again in the new clip.

[shankers]

I didn't look up Uncle John because the uncle may have a different surname anyway because he could be an uncle on the maternal side.

Of course, William and Joseph may also be pseudonyms, but it's a lead worth pursuing in the absence of certain evidence that they are fake names.

[bharvey]

Wow!
There's been a lot going on here!

Here are my assumptions:

With the new Quinlan movie and post he pretty much admits to being our
resident tall tale teller.

Okay folks, there's something I've been keeping to myself by request of my Uncle Johnny. But since my first upload failed to motivate the proper individuals into action, Uncle Johnny says it's okay to reveal that he and Aaron Gable were BEST BUDS throughout their childhood.

Right here is his confession that the first campfire tale he posted about GF2
was a fabrication. He also tells us that he and uncle John have an agenda.

Johnny let Aaron borrow one of his movie cameras on several occasions, and Johnny would develop all their films in our Grandmother's basement. Johnny typically made three copies of every film he made, and this is one of those copies.

Now he confirms the fact that there ARE multiple copies of these films.
"our Grandmothers basement"?? Wouldn't that be HIS grandmother
and uncle Johnny's mother. Is this a slip-up?

Here is the Gable family from 1973. Aaron is the one on the unicycle and in the red and blue SCUBA gear. Aaron's youngest son, Willie, is riding the purple Volkswagon Motorbike while his oldest son, Joe, crashes into a tree.

Now he gives us supposedly real names to little brother and Dave.
SCUBA gear. Could this also be borrowed from uncle John?

Johnny did alot of the camerawork in this film, and was typically paid for his services in Twinkies and Pabst Blue Ribbon. (That might explain his diabetes, now).

So uncle filmed the beer commercials.
Was he around for the filming of GF1?
Did he volunteer to film his best buddies death scene?
Is he missing a leg? (diabetes)

Johnny believes that since the truth has NOT been revealed by now, that some of these FEDERALLY PROTECTED creatures still roam parts of the midwest. If they had gone extinct by now, there would be no reason to keep covering up their existance.

Now he tells us that Bitey is a government experiment that got loose and
whoever let them loose thought that they would have died off by now.
Did uncle work for the government?
Why bring this stuff out of the closet now?
Is uncle about to die and wants to come clean on his deathbed?

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

I think it's probably more a case of what didn't happen.
GF2 didn't get the job done that Quinlan and uncle wanted.
Maybe MonsterQuest didn't play ball with them and now
they are going to make sure they do.

Of course Quinlan has already admitted to campfire ghost stories
the first time he posted GF2, so why not yet again with GF3?

The coyote boy who cried wolf?

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The three copies of the film went to 1. Dad 2. Big Brother and 3. Little Brother.

Either Little Bro or "Dave" gave their copy to Steve Cook.

Probaby Little Bro and his vanity led him to leave his own face in the film with the mirror scene while having the others edited out.

Spankings resulted.

Or of course, it could all be one collossal crock of shit.

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Johnny believes that since the truth has NOT been revealed by now, that some of these FEDERALLY PROTECTED creatures still roam parts of the midwest. If they had gone extinct by now, there would be no reason to keep covering up their existance.

Now he tells us that Bitey is a government experiment that got loose and
whoever let them loose thought that they would have died off by now.
Did uncle work for the government?
Why bring this stuff out of the closet now?
Is uncle about to die and wants to come clean on his deathbed?

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

I think it's probably more a case of what didn't happen.
GF2 didn't get the job done that Quinlan and uncle wanted.
Maybe MonsterQuest didn't play ball with them and now
they are going to make sure they do.

Of course Quinlan has already admitted to campfire ghost stories
the first time he posted GF2, so why not yet again with GF3?

The coyote boy who cried wolf?

LOL. Thanks for bringing us up to speed on the 'story'.

I must have missed the part where Bitey was a government experiment, but good of you to explain that for us.

Pretty soon all of us are going to be wearing Aaron Gable avatars around this place. :p

[bharvey]

LOL. Thanks for bringing us up to speed on the 'story'.

I must have missed the part where Bitey was a government experiment, but good of you to explain that for us.

Pretty soon all of us are going to be wearing Aaron Gable avatars around this place. :p

It's all
grins and giggles
isn't it?

[bharvey]

Just did a search.

Found that very close to Mackinac Bridge,

there is a Quinlan Lake.

Neither one very far from Bellaire.

[jmilner]

Searched all the way up until the mid-1990s now, and I can't find the death of an Aaron Gable in Michigan. The best lead for the death of an Aaron Gable is in California.


maybe you guys are still missing the target. the truck was registered to aaron gable. maybe mr torso just bought it and hadnt changed over the title and plates yet.
maybe mr torso was a military deserter, embezzler, or some such man on the run who was keeping his identity secret. maybe he died with a listing of natural causes and went to the cremation furnace as john doe. maybe not even in antrim county
all i'm sayin is, the internet doesnt always have all the answers. the cops wont tell you anything unless you ask exactly the right question. if this is real you gotta think outside the box.

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Just did a search.

Found that very close to Mackinac Bridge,

there is a Quinlan Lake.

Neither one very far from Bellaire.

Can you make out the street name on the overpass sign as they travel to the airport?

James St....something like that?

[shankers]

Yes, Jmilner, but I don't live in America and therefore agencies such as the police wouldn't take any kind of request for information from me seriously. While I agree with you that there are all manner of possibilities, I'm pursuing some based on what we have been told. It could all be a crock of shit, but it is quite good fun seeing if there is a puzzle to be put together out of the clues we've been given.

[bharvey]

Can you make out the street name on the overpass sign as they travel to the airport?

James St....something like that?

Looking at a map,
There is a Jamet St. on the south side of the bridge.

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Looking at a map,
There is a Jamet St. on the south side of the bridge.

That'd be it. ;)

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I think it's probably more a case of what didn't happen.
GF2 didn't get the job done that Quinlan and uncle wanted.
Maybe MonsterQuest didn't play ball with them and now
they are going to make sure they do.

I think I can play my part in helping the Brothers Grimm bring MonsterQuest to it's knees on that count.

It's amazing what you can see when you're prepared to just about melt your hard drive into the carpet.

Question is - before or after?

[bharvey]

There's also a Quinlan Lumber Co. in Burton Michigan.

Not that far away.

[bharvey]

QuinlanORU12

Could this be a family reference?

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QuinlanORU12

Could this be a family reference?

The Quinlans - oh you are one too.

Could be.

The old fella splits a mean log of wood, girly-hands and all.

[biblegirl]

good morning :)

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good morning :)

crazy morning right back atcha 'Wifey'! ;) :p

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lmao @ bharvey.

How did I miss that reference! :D

You guys!

[bharvey]

I've lost it!

Started wondering if uncle Johnny's name was Quinlan.

If so and he was daddy's Gable's best bud,

Did he run off with Dad's wife and take the kids?

If so are brothers Joe and Willie now Quinlans?

I even found a reference to a William Quinlan
with a tie to Antrim County Michigan.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?query_id=0&page=0&osti_id=951267

This is awfully far-fetched but,
what part of this story hasn't been.

Help me SOL,

I'm in the deep water and need some SUBA gear!

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I've lost it!

Started wondering if uncle Johnny's name was Quinlan.

If so and he was daddy's Gable's best bud,

Did he run off with Dad's wife and take the kids?

If so are brothers Joe and Willie now Quinlans?

I even found a reference to a William Quinlan
with a tie to Antrim County Michigan.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?query_id=0&page=0&osti_id=951267

This is awfully far-fetched but,
what part of this story hasn't been.

Help me SOL,

I'm in the deep water and need some SUBA gear!

I'll do what I can when I can to help unravel this perplexing familial soap opera for you bh.

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On an admin note, should we call the new film posted by Quinlan 'Gable Film 3'?

At least this film definitively ties the saga far more closely to Michigan.

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Although, on a Star Wars-esque note, GF3 is more of a prequel.
We've had before, after, and way before so far in terms of ordering.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Quinlan posted GF3, and he also posted GF2, and if details such as the dog etc. are the same as GF1, does this not strongly imply that whoever was responsible for GF1 was also responsible for GF2? I know there were strong indicators of the same hand involved with both before (e.g., the truck, the film style etc.), but does not GF3 put this now beyond doubt?

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Episode 1: The Canine Menace

Yoda: 'Hmmmmm: Complete shape-shifter are you. Hillbillies will you eat"

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Donahue is technically Episode IV, so we're two instalments away from finding out that Merla is really Dogboy's sister.

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Does Donahue go in the sequence? It'd be easier to refer to Donahue as Donahue, for while it is either a clue or a red herring, it is not part of the sequence itself.

[shankers]

Donahue is technically Episode IV, so we're two instalments away from finding out that Merla is really Dogboy's sister.

:eek:

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Does Donahue go in the sequence? It'd be easier to refer to Donahue as Donahue, for while it is either a clue or a red herring, it is not part of the sequence itself.

Let's be frank - Donahue has completely fucked the numbering of the whole saga up.

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We could go algebraic on Donahue's ass and call it 'x'

[1999]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2n6g5jo.png
What does he want to tell us with this gesture?

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We could go algebraic on Donahue's ass and call it 'x'

Donahue contains a female cough in the background which pulls it off a projector screen and into a real-life living room, so I don't have a problem calling it GF4, though that could confuse the punters.

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http://i40.tinypic.com/2n6g5jo.png
What does he want to tell us with this gesture?

That he must be a pretty old bastard to have deftly mastered the art of shadow puppetry in a time before video sent it the way of the Dodo.

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51 years old to be precise.

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1999's avatar is terrifying. This is the shot of 'Aaron' which really made me leap in the air.

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Slow down.

We have plenty of time.

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Slow down.

We have plenty of time.


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[1999]

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stop spamming this thread. Today Zach isnt here we have a chance for serious discussion about the Gable Trilogy.

[bharvey]

Is this what little brother Willie saw for years?

http://brnation.d2sector.net/ue/northern_michigan_asylum.html

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Great work, Bharvey.

Interesting quotation
'Don and I commented about how crazy this place would have been to explore in the 90s...completely abandoned and overgrown.'

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stop spamming this thread. Today Zach isnt here we have a chance for serious discussion about the Gable Trilogy.

Give me the green light Dr No.

How much of it do you want? Pictures, pie charts?

Glad somebody is interested.

[bharvey]

Give me the green light Dr No.

How much of it do you want? Pictures, pie charts?

Glad somebody is interested.

Do you have pictures of pie charts?

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What I'd love to see, SOL, are your enhancements and analysis of the shapeshifting you found between 4:02 and 4:05 on GF3.

[1999]

Give me the green light Dr No.

How much of it do you want? Pictures, pie charts?

Glad somebody is interested.

Lets start analyzing the darkened section, frame by frame.

http://i39.tinypic.com/ea5co1.jpg

[bharvey]

Thought I saw a big mouthful of teeth
very close to the camera.

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Lets start analyzing the darkened section, frame by frame.

http://i39.tinypic.com/ea5co1.jpg

I've already seen it all. Impressive aint it. ;)

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What I'd love to see, SOL, are your enhancements and analysis of the shapeshifting you found between 4:02 and 4:05 on GF3.

Maybe I will, maybe I wont.

Trust is a massive issue with me.

[biblegirl]

First one to solve this, wins.