Identify The Christians

[ashyr]

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

If you are then tick the box CHRISTIAN.

this will help future debates around here, because when dealing with the future generations of free souls and free humans, it would be easier know when your arguing with a religious belief. Just a little thought of my own, and i really wonder how many there are on this site.

[sensimillia]

should we do a similar poll for satanists?;) no, i´m no christian by the way...

[chris]

My philosophy is compatible with Christianity but I don't think many official forms of christianity would accept it.

So a bit of a grey area for me.

[roxanna222]

If its organized I'm not in it!

[cruise4]

I'm not sure!

[geible]

Any religion comes from a same conspiracy on earth!

[roxanna222]

Who are the two Christians? Will you come forward? Im not looking to either attack or indocrinate with what I believe. Just curious.

[roxanna222]

NOW HANG MOTHAFUCKERS! just kidding really joke

[lemonique]

My philosophy is compatible with Christianity but I don't think many official forms of christianity would accept it.

So a bit of a grey area for me.

Me too....definitely Grey area...

Lemonique

[soglad]

I'm a human being.

[auron]

We are all the same. :p

[herebynightfall]

Beyond the genius is the mystic.
The mystic is one who has attained cosmic consciousness by a complete severance of the seats of consciousness and sensation. He is then almost totally unaware of his body and is totally aware of the Light of God centering him. Omniscience comes to him in that timeless blinding flash of light which is characteristic of a complete severance. This experience was described in the illumination of St. Paul. Every timeless flash of intense inspiration which comes to any man is a partial illumination, for inspiration is the manner in which new knowledge comes to man from the cosmos.
Of all mystics, Jesus was the outstanding example of all time. He was the only One in all history to have known complete cosmic-conscious unity with God.

The Bible refers to cosmic-conscious experience as “the illumination” or “being in the Light” or “in the Spirit.”
In all history less than forty cases of partial cosmic consciousness are known, and probably not more that three of these anywhere nearly approached the complete state of illumination experienced by the Nazarene.
Cosmic Consciousness is the ultimate goal of all mankind. All will know it before the long journey of man is finished, but there are many in this new age just dawning who are ready for it in part, if not fully.
Many desire it fully, but it is best that it come bit by bit for the complete severance is very dangerous. The ecstasy of this supreme experience is so great that one does not wish to come back. The power of severance of soul from body is within easy accomplishment, but to step back into the body is very difficult.

[james777]

Apparently I'm the third one to 'click' the christian box. I'm a christian because I have accepted the free gift of salvation from God which is the belief in the 'life', 'death' and 'resurrection' of Jesus Christ, who was in fact God in human form.

[barbitone]

Apparently I'm the third one to 'click' the christian box. I'm a christian because I have accepted the free gift of salvation from God which is the belief in the 'life', 'death' and 'resurrection' of Jesus Christ, who was in fact God in human form.

errr, ok. Good luck with that.

Me, no way. If I was going to become a part of any religion it certainly wouldn't be christianity. Most likely Buddhism..... But religions are just the name for the bottle you contain spirituality with IMO.

[herebynightfall]

what other religion makes sense more than complete-self awareness and knowing

there is no worry after death. still conciousness yes. but none of the tagalongs that come with the physical plain.

[cheeb]

Apparently I'm the third one to 'click' the christian box. I'm a christian because I have accepted the free gift of salvation from God which is the belief in the 'life', 'death' and 'resurrection' of Jesus Christ, who was in fact God in human form.


Benny Hinn changes his name - YouTube

[james777]

what other religion makes sense more than complete-self awareness and knowing

there is no worry after death. still conciousness yes. but none of the tagalongs that come with the physical plain.

That's what being a christian is all about......

[james777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxIEaJXSPmA

Don't be fooled by false teachers......

[heretic]

A good project for this forum would be to root out all the christians and for a list to be compiled.

[herebynightfall]

no, they worship Jesus and accept him as their savior.

fuck that, we are our own saviors. he was heavy into another cult religion called judaism.

and then his crazy followers hundreds of years later.. made people swear a lifelong devotion around his existence so long ago.

dun know where im getting at... brain fart..


but okay.. he had good ideas.. i had some of he same ideas as him before i knew who jesus was... love people for the sake of loving people.. okay... thanks for the tip... now im gonna live my life holding onto that tip and you dont really matter anymore jesus from 2000 years ago...

lol =oP

[cheeb]

That's what being a christian is all about......


Kenneth Hagin & Kenneth Copeland - Pentecostal Bedlam - YouTube

[roxanna222]

sun god worship ok. we all do it. we wake we want sun we need it for food etc. jesus ok maybe he lived great but the point is what do we ask him for? substance shelter etc. what did he say that was so different from buddaha? or horus? you see where im going with this. YES the catholic church is the one who imprinted ignorancy and accummated and does to this day mass amts of wealth hmmm money loads of it same with all the rest money in some way. go with your gut your self do not look to another for your answers ok go (mean while i will enroll in catholic school i like the uniforms)

[barbitone]

Now that, Cheeb, is some fucked up shit right there, if I do say so myself.....:eek:

[heretic]

Cheeb, you shoulda posted this benny hinn vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

With all that cash he rakes in you would think he could get a better suit. :)

[cheeb]

here is a more scholarly approach to religions,:

http:www.bible.ca/false.htm

just to proove I am not being sensationalist..

[auron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M

Wtf did i just watch?? :confused::D

[kasalt]

Wtf did i just watch?? :confused::D

Originally Posted by cheeb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M


The late Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland, who are featured in this clip, were/are television preachers, fairly well known in Christian circles in the USA. The clip starts out with Kenneth Hagin talking about the Day of Pentecost as recorded in the New Testament book of Acts, chapter 2, wherein the followers of Jesus "were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." It is said in Acts 2:4 that some of those who saw and heard them speaking in tongues supposed that they were drunk, and it is from this false supposition that today's experience-mongering charismatics have devised the idea of "spiritual drunkenness"--the belief that when the Holy Spirit comes upon a believer, his senses become bewildered to the extent that he will suddenly begin to act as though drunk, hence the phrase, "drunk in the spirit". The croud believes that since Hagin is "full of the spirit", all he has to do is wave his hand at them and shout, "Drunk again!" and they will suddenly become "drunk in the spirit" themselves. Sure enough, it happens. In reality, it's nothing but a Jedi mind trick--or should I say, Sith mind trick...

[limelady]

Wtf did i just watch?? :confused::D

WTF indeed!

Serpent cult energy raising ritual comes to mind :rolleyes:

http://matthew-delooze.blogspot.com

[lumukanda]

that was really scary actually, fake laughter and hysteria on cue.

[Anders Lindman]

I'm a member of the Swedish Christian Church, but all children in Sweden become members of the Church by default. I haven't canceled my membership because Christianity seems fairly ok, at least some of the texts in the New Testament.

But my total religion is more like that described in Ken Wilber's book: Integral Spirituality.

From the book: "What if we attempted, based on extensive cross-cultural study, to use all of the world's great traditions to create a composite map, a comprehensive map, an all-inclusive or integral map that included the best elements from all of them?"

[lifeofbrian]

Atheist.

I am all for freedom of religion, however. I think it is a human right to believe in whatever we choose. And, what would there be to talk about if we were all the same?

Being an atheist means rejecting the notion of "God" as presented in the world religions. Many people think all atheists are clones and all fit neatly into a box of some sort. Not true. Take the concept of 'soul'. Due to holy scriptures people in general have come to equate 'soul' with 'from God'. I beg to differ. I think the soul is a tangible and very real part of humans, the spark of the god-like qualities within. The soul is not given to us from some 'God' in my understanding. Hence the reason I do not bow down to any entity of unknown origin.

At an old forum loosely connected to David Icke, which is offline now, a fellow with the handle rastamasta started a very informative and important thread with tons of links and information to prove the case. The thread was called:

"Every God in history has been a demon."

I totally agree. That was my conclusion too after decades of research into the major religions including the freemasonic beliefs, and I became even more certain after having had the fortune to read that very brilliant thread.

But, again, I think every single person should be allowed to believe what they want, and I strongly believe it is not OK to discriminate someone of a different race, creed or colour.

[edelweiss pirate]

Jesus Christ fucking rules!

All round good guy who wasn't afraid to show a bit of muscle and had a smart answer for everything, hanging with the low lifes, curing the sick and poor and slagging off the rich... Authority over satan himself! Few can boast as much. And when you start reading the gnostic Gospels that guy just blows away any other sage or rival wiseman.

I reckon this makes me a Christian... I also can't resist the underdogs so although I am much more than a Christian, I said 'Christian' because I want to see an even contest here.

Who's better than Jesus though... who? there's noone....

And btw he was real. If you get into your own miracles you will see how possible these things really are. The miracles were neither allegories or myths, they were real.

[herebynightfall]

Who's better than Jesus though... who? there's noone....


And I quote David Icke saying this.

"I am Jesus Christ, I am the son of god"

no need to worship anything or anybody, ever.

we are all god's children. god, being everything that ever was and will be.
and even more than being god's children, we are god.

not that time is relevant. its just an ongoing measurement of the HERE and NOW

[seanx]

And I quote David Icke saying this.

"I am Jesus Christ, I am the son of god"

That is not a dave icke quote.

You've added your line to it.. 'I'm Jesus Christ'.

And changed the whole meaning of what he said.

[edelweiss pirate]

Much as I like David Icke, Jesus is still better.

Still, Icke is probably a modern Jesus, or one of the many 'new-messiahs' operating on earth at the moment...

Jesus is the benchmark though. Attacking money lenders, saving prostitutes from stoning, healing the sick, re-writing the dogmatic old testament and saving us all from the strict strangeness of Judiasism also creating mind magic to give us all protection from evil whether real or imagined...

If you really could think about what the white magic of Jesus really meant you would see it too. Not that you have to, your choice of course. That's the game. How much of you is authentic with real vision and how much is just acquired programming. Because there are people at work who sure don't want you to see it.

[herebynightfall]

That is not a dave icke quote.

You've added your line to it.. 'I'm Jesus Christ'.

And changed the whole meaning of what he said.

whatever i've only seen that old wogan show clip.

and wogan says that david said that he claimed to be jesus christ. and david didnt deny it. so i assumed that somewhere along the line david said just that.

if not.. oops my bad

its the son of god part that is the important bit anyway

[baron von lotsov]

Believing that you are free to do what you want is also a belief, it's called Satanism. Now how many Satanists on here are going to admit that is what they worship? I'd say a sum total of zero. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings edelweisse pirate!:

It is well you recognize Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation)(jesus) as a paradigm.
Two points in your prior post must be explored.

"jesus' rewrote the Torah". This is absolutely incorrect. He is the penultimate example of this Codex of Law which teaches 'Character Development'.By keeping and teaching these Laws, He was trusted by Father Yahweh, to utilise 100% of His Brain/Mind Capacity.This is the Bedrock Foundation for His extraordinary abilities. Obedience to Yahweh.

This is not 'magic', rather, it illustrates the Human Potential when one is trusted by Yahweh not to bring harm to themselves or others, 'proven' by 'perfect' obedience to the 613 Laws, Judgements and Statutes of the Torah.
Then, and only then, will the individuals utilisation of their Brain/Mind Complex increase. According to the Book of Yahweh(bible).

Mattithyah(gift of Yahweh)matthew 5:17-18 is vividly clear on Yahshuas position concerning the Torah. Hundreds of other verses will amplify this position.

Indeed, Yahwehs test for all spirits is: If they speak not to the Law and the Prophecies, there is no 'Light' in them. Throughtout the Book of Yahweh(bible),'Light' is a metaphor for the Laws of the Torah.

Kindest Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[seanx]

Believing that you are free to do what you want is also a belief, it's called Satanism. Now how many Satanists on here are going to admit that is what they worship? I'd say a sum total of zero. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Amazing how fundamentalist christianity corrupts people's minds.

[herebynightfall]

was thinking that sean.. just was too lazy to type it...

not too lazy to type an agreement with something i was thinking about though ha

come one... satanism... ??
okay okay, believing that we are free.. i admit, is after all, a belief system.

knowing that we are free on the other hand.. well.. that's just knowing.. isnt it...
freedom is just something that IS.. requires no questioning, or thoughts that dictate otherwise

is there such thing as a religious knowing system ??
i'd like to think it's called the infinite abyss that is all

[baron von lotsov]

Amazing how fundamentalist christianity corrupts people's minds.


That's a usual satanic response. Turn it on its head. Good = bad and bad = good' corruption is an attempt to turn something bad in to something good and something good is something evil. It's what happens when you sell your soul. You are no longer in charge of your own mind, but you think you are. You have no idea of the powers that you mess with, you have no sense of caution, you willingly follow in a trance like state and intuitively know what to do, except that it's not your intuition guiding you.

[herebynightfall]

religion itself is what gives you a predetermined view on what is 'good' and what is 'evil'

you make that choice for yourself !!

and let everybody else to make that choice for themselves.

not imposing your will or views on others.

[baron von lotsov]

religion itself is what gives you a predetermined view on what is 'good' and what is 'evil'

you make that choice for yourself !!

and let everybody else to make that choice for themselves.

not imposing your will or views on others.


That is another example of Satanism. If a young kid does not get proper guidance and ends up putting a bullet in you in order to steal your money then I'm sure you will appreciate the error of your creed.

[chicken_little]

I was a Christian until early summer. No more sun worship for me. :D

I've been keeping this change to myself...none of my family, nor my wife, nor anyone who knows me personally know about it. This weekend, actually last night it started, I am volunteering at a Christian music festival which I've been doing for 4 years now. It'll be interesting to attend with a new perspective.

[baron von lotsov]

Christians don't worship the sun. You seem to know nothing about what you claim you were. I expect you will find you have been misled.

[chicken_little]

Then why don't you enlighten me rather than simply insulting my intelligence?

[herebynightfall]

That is another example of Satanism. If a young kid does not get proper guidance and ends up putting a bullet in you in order to steal your money then I'm sure you will appreciate the error of your creed.

if what i'm saying is a creed... than dont pick out parts of it and tell me that it is particularly wrong..

i said.. and not imposing your will on others.

shooting somebody is most definately imposing your will on others.

and as for stealing my money. ha if the kid needs money that bad. and i have cash on me. its his.. i don't need money that badly.

i'm starting to grow my own crops. and i've realized sewing is much easier than i thought it would be. for real. fuck our religion/media/gov't driven society.

we can work this shite out ourselves.

and baron.
suggested listening.. bill hicks, and david icke.

love ya man. don't be such a downer here, you might alter the peace that presides over this forum.

[baron von lotsov]

if what i'm saying is a creed... than dont pick out parts of it and tell me that it is particularly wrong..

i said.. and not imposing your will on others.

shooting somebody is most definately imposing your will on others.

and as for stealing my money. ha if the kid needs money that bad. and i have cash on me. its his.. i don't need money that badly.

i'm starting to grow my own crops. and i've realized sewing is much easier than i thought it would be. for real. fuck our religion/media/gov't driven society.

we can work this shite out ourselves.

and baron.
suggested listening.. bill hicks, and david icke.

love ya man. don't be such a downer here, you might alter the peace that presides over this forum.

Peace can equally mean ignorance. Even ignorance that quite a few people have left here because they can't stand all this Satanist talk and the kind of people who do not know the difference between right and wrong.

They are not my views; they are the views of the majority. You obviously have not noticed this satanic agenda being brainwashed into people by the likes of conman Maxwell and his prodigy Tsarion. There is no peace with people like that screwing people's minds up and nor with there be until their games are exposed. If you want the kind of peace you talk about join the Chinese Communist Party and get into some Chinese Buddhism. Peace can also mean subservience.

[herebynightfall]

word.

why you stating the views of the majority ?

and since when does having the majority buy in on something make it correct?

i have my ideas of right and wrong. i'm content with them. they arent everybody elses.

no harm no foul.

what if you were born before jesus??

i know i'd be questioning the gov't back then too... roman empire...

it's just in me, not taken from another noncomformist communist person.. it just is who i am in the physical world.

so be it i'm not changing a bit i love me. i love me.

[john white]

Word what?

You obviously have not noticed this satanic agenda being brainwashed into people by the likes of conman Maxwell and his prodigy Tsarion

Well explain that then: demonstrate your understanding

Don't just claim shit you can't back up and then act like you know something

The reason you dislike Tsarion so much is that his work on exposing the toxic psyche has you utterly pwned

You fear yourself Lotsov: and that is why you cling to your crutches and deny Truth, just as you deny your own Faith

Your "Christianity" is akin to repressed homosexuality: "The Love that Dare Not Speak Its Name"

[john white]

Baron von Lotsov:

Are YOU a Christian?

YES or NO?

Answer the question:

Becuase if you are a Christian, and you can't answer that question, you KNOW what that makes you

[herebynightfall]

excommunicated ?

lol

[seanx]

let me sum up your fundamentalist christianity;

it's all in this phrase that you all have to chant: Not my will but
thine be done.

Baron, you're a SLAVE - and you hate the idea other people have
FREEDOM while you have to do what you're told.

[john white]

excommunicated ?

lol

I was thinking more of Simon Peter: weak turncoat scum who went out and talked the talk but bent over for the NWO when the pressure was on

[john white]

let me sum up your fundamentalist christianity;

it's all in this phrase that you all have to chant: Not my will but
thine be done.

Baron, you're a SLAVE - and you hate the idea other people have
FREEDOM while you have to do what you're told.

No the sickness goes deeper than that: he fears himself and thus enslaves himself. Baron's posts reek of it: notice how the very idea of choice and self responsibility seems "Evil" to him

God gave us all free will, but Lotsov cannot handle it, and wants to blame choice on the Devil!

[seanx]

herebynightfall wrote:

what if you were born before jesus??

Great point.

[herebynightfall]

We love you though baron !!
WE DO !!

just trying to show you the ways of what our boy david icke has been expressing and we listen to him on lots of his views because he helps us understand that there are vastly different ways of viewing this world that do not include religion or humungo gov't that dicates everything from afar for no good reason to us.

besides the fact that they know they can because its so embedded from cradle to grave.
and the notion that. 'history has gone this way, you can't change whats been happening for the past 2000 years'

wait a minute.. yeah.. we CAN!!!

and as for us being satanists?!? come on mate wtf is that nonsense... satan is some BS they tell you about so that you wont wonder too far out of the system without thinking that you're a bad person for having beliefs and thoughts that dont comply with their prison rules..

we are everything.. how can everything have limits of what others tell you is right and wrong ?

that doesnt make it right to go and shoot someone and end their physical experience on earth !

morals still apply.. conscience is still part of conciousness..
just on a more aware level..

(hypothetical here)
if i steal five dollars from my rich friend to buy dinner for my poor family..
i'm not a satanist for not thinking im a bad person for doing that.

and im not a christian for thinking that it is a wrongdoing either.

i'm just a person. everything else aside.

so.. love man.. the only truth

[john white]

We love you though baron !!
WE DO !!

just trying to show you the ways of what our boy david icke has been expressing and we listen to him on lots of his views because he helps us understand that there are vastly different ways of viewing this world that do not include religion or humungo gov't that dicates everything from afar for no good reason to us.


Course we do: but Lotsov is getting tough Love from me for the time being, I've lavished enough compassion upon him in the last two years

We shouldnt HAVE to be showing Lotsov what Icke has been expressing if he conqoured his inner fear and looked for himself. Two years of hanging around Icke forums and the fake arse still hasnt managed it

[john white]

And BTW, Astro-Theology is not the barrier to Christianity's truth that Maxwell thinks it is, but its no good trying to explain that greater truth to those still riddled with cowardice, becuase for those still in a state of inner fear it really is pearls before swine

I'm planning a video on it at the moment actually...

[sensimillia]

I'm planning a video on it at the moment actually...

that would be great, looking forward to it...:)

[john white]

that would be great, looking forward to it...:)

Cheers mate: reckon a couple of months: its going to have to be scripted so its my most ambitous foray yet: working title "The God behind the Masks"

[sweet cheeks]

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

If you are then tick the box CHRISTIAN.

this will help future debates around here, because when dealing with the future generations of free souls and free humans, it would be easier know when your arguing with a religious belief. Just a little thought of my own, and i really wonder how many there are on this site.

No christards! ;)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

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[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings herebynightfall!

Your query:"what if you were born before Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation)(jesus)"

Answer: (According to the Book of Yahweh)(bible) There are two ressurections, the first occurs after humans, of their own free will, destroy 9/10ths of all humans,most living creatures and fully destroy the Earth environment, making Life unsustainable on Planet Earth. This is when Yahshua returns(put the fork in the blue beam doctrine). In the First Ressurection will be the 'called out' ones. Those who were awre of Father Yahwehs Plan in their Lifetime.

The Second Ressurection occurs 1,000 years later and includes every human being who ever lived(xingu indians,inuits,etc.,all who have never heard of Yahweh or Yahshua)or trained properly. At this time the humans of the first ressurection will provide approximately 100 years of training with proper teachers(Malakim) and materials, unlike the current State of Affairs.False Teachers & Materials. Ultimately, at the end of training, the choice shall be yours, and yours alone as Father Yahweh does not desire the unwilling,to be of service to Him. You will live and abide by His Laws or you will be gone.From this particular Universe and the Third Heaven.

Those who decide to swing with Yahweh and Yahshua will then inherit the Universe in a new & Improved Anthropomorphological form. His reticence to allow humans to inhabit the Universe, at their current moral and emotional
levels, is well founded, based on human history.

Perhaps this helps, that has been my intent.

Kindest Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[phoebe]

A good project for this forum would be to root out all the christians and for a list to be compiled.

Yeeharrr!
I do like a good witch-hunt! :o

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

The emoticon that appears in my prior post is a 'TYPO'.

[fccool]

If by "Christian", you mean somebody who got a 1 hour "conversion experience" at on of Billy Grahams/Local Church Pew/ Or whatever location, and as a result constantly going and screaming that everyone else is wrong but me, saying that Bible is right because it says so, paying 10% of my income while disreguarding the poverty around me, driving 50k car and living in a 500k house while the sinner two blocks down the street pushing drugs for living, saying that you will burn in hell if you don't accept what I believe...

THEN NO :)

But if by Christian, you mean somebody who excepts that a higher uncaused being created this world which we constantly are screwing up because we are being manipulated... and returning to original natural laws this world was built on as an answer... by believing that mindset change is possible and was demonstrated by Creator himself coming down in a physical form (called Yeshua BTW... not Jesus... word Jesus is meaningless, but nevertheless)... At the same time respecting choices of others and trying to understand why they made their own choices...

Then Yes.

[chicken_little]

Christians don't worship the sun. You seem to know nothing about what you claim you were. I expect you will find you have been misled.

So are you going to expand on what you've stated or not? I'm tired of people telling other people that they have misled beliefs, but then don't bother to explain why. How else is someone who has been misled going to be straightened out if no one makes an effort to do so?

[fccool]

Peace & Greetings herebynightfall!

Your query:"what if you were born before Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation)(jesus)"

Answer:(According to the Book of Yahweh)(bible) There are two ressurections, the first occurs after humans, of their own free will, destroy 9/10ths of all humans,most living creatures and fully destroy the Earth environment, making Life unsustainable on Planet Earth. This is when Yahshua returns(put the fork in the blue beam doctrine). In the First Ressurection will be the 'called out' ones. Those who were awre of Father Yahwehs Plan in their Lifetime.

The Second Ressurection occurs 1,000 years later and includes every human being who ever lived(xingu indians,inuits,etc.,all who have never heard of Yahweh or Yahshua)or trained properly. At this time the humans of the first ressurection will provide approximately 100 years of training with proper teachers(Malakim) and materials, unlike the current State of Affairs.False Teachers & Materials. Ultimately, at the end of training, the choice shall be yours, and yours alone as Father Yahweh does not desire the unwilling,to be of service to Him. You will live and abide by His Laws or you will be gone.From this particular Universe and the Third Heaven.

Those who decide to swing with Yahweh and Yahshua will then inherit the Universe in a new & Improved Anthropomorphological form. His reticence to allow humans to inhabit the Universe, at their current moral and emotional
levels, is well founded, based on human history.

Perhaps this helps, that has been my intent.

Kindest Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus


Dude, don't fall into circular mentality here. You argue from preconcieved notion that Yhwh is God. Most of the people here don't believe that to be so. So how can you argue the derivatives of that belief (second ressurection and ect)... if you did nothing to provide any proof of the original... i.e. Yahweh is God? Hence you fall back into a circular reasoning, thus only making yourself appear illogical. I respect your opinion, but please, reason is a wonderful thing here...

[fccool]

I think I'll post it again for those who have not read. My exact point is this: We are in the same boat. YOU CAN'T BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT PROVE THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS THE TRUTH. SO WTF PEOPLE ARE SO ARROGANT TO THINK SO?

How do I know I know the truth? And how do I prove that I know that what I know is the truth? And the answer essencially is... I can't. Now why do I say this? I work as a visual effects artist and from time to time I do animations for news companies (pretty large ones from time to time). One day I've rendered out the Earth and decided to flip it upside down, because the animation seemed to work better that way as all of the elements worked in sychronisity. I've sent the animation for approval to the commity ( a camel is a horse put together by a commity) and they came back with : " Everything looks great, but the earth is the wrong side up. The north america should be at the top". I thought to myself... well how could I be so stupid to miss this, and then I though, wait a minute here... How do we know what is the top and what is the bottom? There is none. You don't know top from bottom... as these are just words to describe things that being pulled down by gravity. If I rotate one thing ... it's top becomes its bottom and vice-versa. But you see... what they meant is that most people perceive that North America is the top and South is the buttom, and therefore they are uncomfortable with anything else.
So I know it is a long analogy, but essencially we know nothing outside of other people telling us and occasionaly what we find out ourselves. Now, one of you lives in Australia... how do I know Australia exists? Well, I must admit I've never been there, but I know people who has. It is also on the map, and I know that the planes fly there. After all the airline comanies would not lie to millions of people. Now I can verify the existance of Australia. When Icke from stage screams " Well, check it out, mate" how does he suppose me to do that ? We can't check out something that we can't see... especially the past. Creation, Evolution, whatever-it-is-ism is a matter of faith as much as you might not like the word. Faith is boils down to believing something that you can not see. Now how do we know that the solar system is Heliocentric? How the hell did they come up with that conclusion? If the motion is relative, then essencially you can't say it is one way or the other !!!! If you all of a sudden wake up in a moving train and it was a silent moving train and there were two other trains on each side... you could percieve that the other two are moving and you are standing still. Now I know it could be ignorant of me to say this, because it was "proven" that the earth rotates around the sun... but it's something for you to think about. Certain things can not be proven, many times past events can not be proven... especially when you are talking about origins. Now, I have no doubt that Icke has much of the truth, but you have to understand that he believes just like you and I and he can't check it out. I highly doubt that he saw any reptilians that he is talking about himself. And I highly doubt that he even saw a real Satanic ritual with human sacrifices. I'm not saying that this kind of stuff is not going on,but I doubt people would live to escape and talk about these. Even if they do, you have to excersise faith to believe. So... with that out of the way.

Christianity has been mixed with shit for generations and misconstrued with many different things. Even Icke quotes from Revelation himself proclaiming the microchip to be the mark of the beast as he himself probably has not even read the Bible as a book (from cover to cover). Well let me make something streight here . Catholicism is not Christianity. Protestantism is not Christianity. And if you go to a church, you probably won't find it practiced there... because there is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity. These two diametrically oppose each other. Now before we move on to the topic of religion and somebody here does not consider himself a religios person let me point out a dictionary definition of "religion" to make things clear:

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Most of the people talking about "religion" can't even define a word clearly. We are sorrounded by religious beliefs. Every day you believe in about 20.

Modern medicine is a religion - believes in chance as being superhuman creator and evolution being the "hand of God" so to speak ... does have a moral code and definetly abides by certain rules and rituals many of which you have to believe by faith. Doctors are priests. People have no problem believing it and paying their dues to the priests for magic potion... athough some of which kills them every day. Do you believe in modern medicine?

Politics - need I say more?

Economics - same pattern here... with consumerism being a cult offspring

Science - a big one... claims to be "not religion" but ends up being the biggest religion there is. "Scientific theory" is a religious statement!

David Icke - cosmic contiousness, moral codes, ultimate love...

I can go on and on... so when people are saying that they are not religious and that they don't excersise religious beliefs... My answer to them is - BULL and you know it . Every one person on this planet excercising and believing some kind of religion by pure definition of that word... so another way of saying it. If you have a set of beliefs that you can not absolutely and undeniably present a physical evidence of, then you are practicing a religious belief.

So essencially if this world was created by Satan, like some believe, you can't prove or disprove that notion. You can only speculate that there is alot of care and thought was put in creating it that it could only be in Love in its purest forms. Look at human body itself. We receive pleasure from such simple things as eating and drinking. We have emotion... and sex is a wonderfull thing. If our planet would be a couple more miles closer to the sun we would all be dead, a couple miles further - we'd freeze to death. Everything is in dependance with everything and was designed with care and diligence. If you think that male/female reproductive system happened by chance I have a bridge in Iraq for sale . Every single system for that matter - nervous , circulatory, digestive, respiratory - none of which will act by itself. It is trully a miricle. If chance can put together something so intelligent and orderly, then why is it associated with chaos?

Coming back to Christianity. Icke claims that the original Christians borrowed the trinity from Babylonian culture sun worship. Here's the problem. Christianity and it's latter offspring - Islam are few religions believing in intelligent animate god that exists outside of nature which he/she/it created. Judaism today is essencially a Cabbalism and rejects the notion of such God, but more pantheistic in its belief - everything is god... like you probably believe... one cosmic contiousness. So here's a problem with Icke's assumption... Historical record only goes so far. What we've only discovered today is not everything there is to know. We don't know much about pre-summerian civilizations and it would be ignorant to assume that they were THE ONLY AND THE FIRST. Now, many may deny the divine origins of the Bible, but it still remains one of the most historicly accurate books to date. So if the people who wrote it did have persuit of historical truth (unfortunatly the people who claim the descendence of these don't have such a pursuit anymore) then they probably had the same persuite of truth in general. If you read the Bible.... 90% percent of people who wrote it were murdered brutally by their own people. The rest were very close to the same fate. So something they were saying was not going too well with other. So what were they saying .... basically - " Stop what you are doing, or you will self distruct pretty soon... because you are going agains the basic principles upon which this world was built."

Now, if you do believe that this world did not just come about by cosmic chance which we are all a product of (if so, then then history is such too), then you must inescapibly believe that there is a creator. Now, when whatever it is you believe created this world... he/she/it must have some rules to set this world in motion. You can't jsut jump of an airplane and expect to fly. You can't breathe underwater and you can't survive for more than 4 days in the desert without drinking. Now, these are the kind of laws that the people have no problem with. These are undesputable laws. Now, if you believe that that creator gave us intellect ( the software for our bodies) and ability to choose (something I can not explain metaphorically , wouldn't you think that there are also guidlines that would either do us harm or profit us and assure that we function properly as individual or as a society? If you eat poison you will die. That's undisputable. That's physical poison. What would be a mental poison? What causes people to lie, steal and kill each other for ultimatelly nothing but things that exists in their mind? Ever asked youself that? Sin as Christianity describes it is not some dubious notion of eating a fruit off certain tree. That was symbolic and it has VERY LITTLE to do with physical doing. It is mental state of perpetual self destruction, morally and physically. It is failure to observe and follow the "operation manual" for relation to ourself and the others around us. The true Christianity has very little to do with "master - slave" obedience that people make out of it. If you believe that whatever you believe created this world, then it has claim to this world... but it did give this world to us and does not seem to show up and scream in our ears " look at me ... do this or die". It let's us choose what to do! But the principles... the "operation manual" were left behind in one way or another as the only few truths in the world... that I believe people knew from the beginning. Our "advanced" civilization can't live without electricity and can't add two thing without a box sitting near. If people really practiced Christianity in its true form - the teachings of Jesus and the law of God as guidlines, then we would not have this discussion I guess . It was Jesus who taught "Love your neighbour as thyself and love (respect as a creator) God". People did not like that too much for some reason, and did not like the idea of everyone being empowered. So they killed him, so the sacrifice was not as much as dubious payment for our transgressions as humanity, but rather a path (example) out by changing the way you look at things and think. If you go to church without thinking and sitting and listening and going through the motions, then it does not matter. Polititians and rulers hid behind the name for centuries. Papacy itself killed millions of people claiming to the "the work of god". I don't know work of which God they are doing... but the God said -- don't kill. Polititians are stealing peoples money everyday claiming to do the work of God... when it's plain simple - don't steal. These are a basic fabric of any society. Have no other god's before me ... is simply respecting the creator for what he is and giving us choices in life and using these wisely. Icke did not come up with the Infinite Love concept, it is the idea that Christianity carries. So people can not possibly call themselves Christian if they disreguard the basics of these.

So you see there's a perspective for everything. The brick wall you are talking about, ... you could be on the other side of it and building at night while sleepwalking . Peace


Let people make choices. When I hear something like... "let's uproot all of the christians in the forum" in a context of a witch hunt. How are you different from any other natzi cultist our there? Shoving your beliefs down the throat of others in irrutional manner is not an answer.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool:

Not once have I refered to Father Yahweh as a god. I do not know where you got that impression.

In many posts I have stated the word god, as derived from the caananite language, the world 'EL' plural 'Elohim' is not a proper title for Yahweh.
His 'Title of Office' is Father, as Yahshua instucted us.

The word 'god' is a generic title of office and should be accompanied with specificity of name to avoid confusing the reader.

To conclude: Father Yahweh(supreme teacher of righteousness) is not a 'god'.period.full-stop.

He is the causal force that I, personally accept and endorse. He is not a 'god',:Source J(ah)-Text Pentateuch circa.700bce.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[fccool]

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

If you are then tick the box CHRISTIAN.

this will help future debates around here, because when dealing with the future generations of free souls and free humans, it would be easier know when your arguing with a religious belief. Just a little thought of my own, and i really wonder how many there are on this site.

Religious belief? I have news for you. Everything that you believe you do so based on religious assumptions. So you have your own religion so to speak. If you disagree, then try to give a logical explanation how so, and not simply ... "you are wrong"

[archangel]

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

If you are then tick the box CHRISTIAN.

this will help future debates around here, because when dealing with the future generations of free souls and free humans, it would be easier know when your arguing with a religious belief. Just a little thought of my own, and i really wonder how many there are on this site.

I voted not Chritian but it appears I should have as I do believe in a higher power. I would venture to say that there is ample evidence to support this claim other than it simply being a """belief"""

[john white]

Fair points Fccool

I object to ignorance: that is dismissing material one is ignorant of. so i have little tolerabnce for those who use fear of information they dare not study as an indicator of the "rightness" of their views

This is a forum: someone's always going to say stuff like "lets chase all these christians off this forum": when that means "lets see the back of these pontificating ignoramouses" I can, to an extent, sympathise with the point, whilst also laughing at its utter futility and impracticality: never going to happen unless the forum admin makes it so: and that's not very likely

But a verbal lashing is also part of "the game": people in glass houses should beware of being pwned by returned stones

[fccool]

Peace & Greetings fccool:

Not once have I refered to Father Yahweh as a god. I do not know where you got that impression.

In many posts I have stated the word god, as derived from the caananite language, the world 'EL' plural 'Elohim' is not a proper title for Yahweh.
His 'Title of Office' is Father, as Yahshua instucted us.

The word 'god' is a generic title of office and should be accompanied with specificity of name to avoid confusing the reader.

To conclude: Father Yahweh(supreme teacher of righteousness) is not a 'god'.period.full-stop.

He is the causal force that I, personally accept and endorse. He is not a 'god',:Source J(ah)-Text Pentateuch circa.700bce.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Do you believe that he has created all things and set these in motion? Term "God" is generic term for a supreme being that done that. I understand that people may use it for different things, and that its origin might derive elsewhere. But I appreciate you clearing it up for me.

[fccool]

Fair points Fccool

I object to ignorance: that is dismissing material one is ignorant of. so i have little tolerabnce for those who use fear of information they dare not study as an indicator of the "rightness" of their views

Totally agree. Applies both ways. Non-Christians screaming... you full of shit! Christians are essentially doing the same. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I will be the first one to admit that I don't understand, and know much! That's the point that I come from, so examining every view possible scenario closely would give me a greate chance of hitting the truth than locking in on a belief system and stayng there. I would not expect everyone doing the same, but I would contend that if you stop at the "Eternal Conciousness" as a undeniable truth... you might be missing out on something other that could be the truth.

Closing out your mind from anything that has to do with "religious" belief... you simply doing the same thing any cult member does.

So the whole point of the original post is to give somebody a label, and then use it for or agains them when arguing. That's what THEY DO. They give us labels and turn us loose agains ourselves. Resorting to those tactics, you are not any different than the order that you claim to fight agains. What is wrong with my "t" key! :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

And therein lies the rub! In the J(ah)-Text 700bce, hwhy(hebrew right to left) is based on the Tetra-Grammaton(derived from a Tri-Grammaton)
Never in the J-Text is He refered to as an 'EL' or ELOHIM'. These titles appeared in subsequent texts,mis-use of dia-critical vowel points

In scripture, It is declared He, HWHY, is unique in the universe, that there is none like Him. He is one, He is unity.

Psalm 82, declares Yahweh stands in judgement in the council of the gods(elohim).

Yahweh is not a god, He is all of ours Heavenly Father, whether we like it or not. Nothing personal.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[cheeb]

This sounds like the dogma of the,
Flying Spaghetti Monster,

A valid religion,
it has over 10 million hits on Google,

Has a diety,
Texts,
Miracles,
Apparitions,

And a tri gammatron,

FSM,

http://www.venganza.org/

Its followers are called: Pastafarians,

It is a beleif system,
much like christianity,,

And with no more/no less merit..

Says the same thing in Pastafarian Scripture,

The Flying Spaghetti Monster
is our Heavenly Father,
Whether we like it or not.

Even in Science they have said that,
the Universe is made of string(spaghetti)

[phoenix1]

No subscribtion to any set of preset tenets here. WTF where we all evil before this Jesus myth ?? erm nope.

Anyway theres my vote .. im through with Jesus bullshit.. thats me outa here. Be who you are, and to thine own self be true.]

LostReligionPhoenix ( yeah that was me in the corner loosing my religion lol.. now im in the centre of the room and in no corner at all ) Hoooorayyy for me !!! I am free of the dogmatic crap !!:D:D:D:D

[tinmenace]

If its organized I'm not in it!

Same here.

[thirdwave]

the thing is...

I have my doubs about the Jesus th bible speaks of even exsisted

but the bottom line is... even if he did and he was god in human form ...who cares!!!

he has not exactly helped the cause as he!

i would say he was a bit of a plonker, come here get fucked up, and leave a buch of rowing humans behind him!,, great work Mr God!

Satan must love him to bits!

[them]

After reading this thread I can see that the question is not a straight forward one for those who describe themselves, christian.

Where does this womans views fit with the self declared christians?

Although she might consider herself a god warrior I think she's very sad.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings Them!:

Thank You! Now I know where ciggyatwork got his avatar. I lasted 58 seconds. Chalk that up to corrupted teachers and texts.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[fccool]

This sounds like the dogma of the,
Flying Spaghetti Monster,

A valid religion,
it has over 10 million hits on Google,

Has a diety,
Texts,
Miracles,
Apparitions,

And a tri gammatron,

FSM,

http://www.venganza.org/

Its followers are called: Pastafarians,

It is a beleif system,
much like christianity,,

And with no more/no less merit..

Says the same thing in Pastafarian Scripture,

The Flying Spaghetti Monster
is our Heavenly Father,
Whether we like it or not.

Even in Science they have said that,
the Universe is made of string(spaghetti)

Yes, I've seen that one :). Exactly my point, but I think this one was created out of sarcasm to say that if evolusion is load of crap, then perhaps Spagetti Monster created this Universe... and this version of creation should be taught in Schools. I don't think schools should teach either. IMO education is a responsibility of direct family up to the age of understanding, and after than it's a personal responsibility. As in Good Will Hunting.... you can learn everything you need for $5 at the loacal library that takes 100k+ in colleges and universitites.

[them]

Chalk that up to corrupted teachers and texts

Sastimos, Phuro Snoopsnuffleopagus

I agree.

In the name of God.. this day in history (http://www.history.com/tdih.do?action=tdihArticleCategory&id=6545) <<<random

[cheeb]

Jesus likes a laugh!
And a drink.
Water into wine,
Pentecostal christians in hysterics:

He would love this:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Maybe he should have stuck to being,

A dead sea pedestrian!!!???

[fccool]

Same here.

Really? I'm still guessing you are paying your taxes, using healthcare, fiat money (biggest organized religion out there), and going to work every week day. But I could be wrong. Of course it is different set of beliefs. The ones that everybody belive, so it's OK to believe in these I guess.

[archangel]

QUESTION......

SO ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED NOT CHRISTIAN DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY CONCEP OF GOD? A HIGHER POWER? OR AN AFTER LIFE?

YOU ARE ALL ATHEISTS?

The Poll asked if you believe in Jesus or any form of a higher power.

So even if you don't believe in Jesus but believe in God/a higher power then technically you should have still voted that you are a christian.

I personally do not believe in Jesus but believe in GOD is some kind of way. I do believe I will live on in some way after my body dies and believe there is a devine architecht who created the Universe.

[barbitone]

*sigh*:rolleyes:

[them]

The Poll asked if you believe in Jesus or any form of a higher power

I personally don't, today. Prefering instead, today, the scientific explanation of the universe.

That doesn't mean I'm not prepared to change my mind.

So even if you don't believe in Jesus but believe in God/a higher power then technically you should have still voted that you are a christian

Patently flawed.

http://img.search.com/b/b6/Classical-Definition-of-Kno.gif

[chicken_little]

I believe there is an intelligent designer, God, creator, whatever you want to call it. The complexity of our universe is far too great for me to believe that it is all the product of mere chance. I would call myself an agnostic long before calling myself an atheist.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings archangel!:

The poll qualifier text could have been streamlined. Myself, I would not expect a Bhuddist or Taoist or Muslim to say they are Christian,

Myself, though an adherent of Yahweh & Yahshua, I am to be considered a Messianic Yahwist, the actual victims of ten Roman Persecutions. I am not a Christian.
I would never say I am a Christian.

Yahshua is not factually the founder of Christianity, Rather, Messianic Yahwism. Derivitively known as Messianic Judaism or Non-Normative
Judaism, source:Encyclopedia Judaica. Considered a Messianic cult amongst the Yahwist, who felt Yahshua was the long prophesied Messiah.

I understand Christianity arose around 250 CE, and later the Emperor Constantine, circa 350 CE, made it official, incorporating Roman customs into the Teachings.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[herebynightfall]

We are our own higher beings.

[cheeb]

Yes, I've seen that one :). Exactly my point, but I think this one was created out of sarcasm to say that if evolusion is load of crap, then perhaps Spagetti Monster created this Universe... and this version of creation should be taught in Schools. I don't think schools should teach either. IMO education is a responsibility of direct family up to the age of understanding, and after than it's a personal responsibility. As in Good Will Hunting.... you can learn everything you need for $5 at the loacal library that takes 100k+ in colleges and universitites.

No it was written as an open letter to the Kansas School Board,

As a challenge to "Intellegent Design"

Basically in support of Plancks' Theorem of Quantum Mechanics!

Ie. The Super String Theory

Analogised as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

http://www.superstringtheory.com./basics/basic7a.html

[tinmenace]

Really? I'm still guessing you are paying your taxes, using healthcare, fiat money (biggest organized religion out there), and going to work every week day. But I could be wrong. Of course it is different set of beliefs. The ones that everybody belive, so it's OK to believe in these I guess.

Whoa! Back of tiger! This thread is called "Identify the Christians". The qualifying question was:

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

And to that I say - if it's organized (spirituality), it's not for me.

So, wtf is your rant about?

And while I'm at it, which of David's books have you read, please?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings tinmenace!:

The conundrum arises in the third sentance of the qualifier, to wit:
'Pretend to" unneccessary snarky Qualitative adverb, than, 'belief in higher power,' seemingly, broadens scope beyond christianity. I personally restrained the scope to what is considered Christianity.

The qualifier text could have been composed with more restraint. Omit third line, dispel confusion.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[thirdwave]

QUESTION......

SO ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED NOT CHRISTIAN DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY CONCEP OF GOD? A HIGHER POWER? OR AN AFTER LIFE?

YOU ARE ALL ATHEISTS?

The Poll asked if you believe in Jesus or any form of a higher power.

So even if you don't believe in Jesus but believe in God/a higher power then technically you should have still voted that you are a christian.

I personally do not believe in Jesus but believe in GOD is some kind of way. I do believe I will live on in some way after my body dies and believe there is a devine architecht who created the Universe.


no it did not it said, "Christian" or "Not a Christian" .... you cant assume that because someone believes in a higher power or something like a god that they are a Christian like the pole implys...

also there are difering views on what an actual higher power is.

[tinmenace]

Peace & Greetings tinmenace!:

The conundrum arises in the third sentance of the qualifier, to wit:
'Pretend to" unneccessary snarky Qualitative adverb, than, 'belief in higher power,' seemingly, broadens scope beyond christianity. I personally restrained the scope to what is considered Christianity.

The qualifier text could have been composed with more restraint. Omit third line, dispel confusion.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Hi Snoop' :)

You're right, it could have been better worded, but for me it's not necessary, because I KNOW the higher power is within all of us. I do not "follow" a higher power. So, for me, it's pretty straight forward, no further explanation necessary.

No, I'm not Christian, I'm not Jewish, I'm not Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist. I'm not a Satanist, I'm not Wiccan, et al....and I don't subscribe to any other organized religious, non-religious or spiritual belief system including atheism.

In fact, my position is best described as ANTITHEISM (I do not believe there are gods more powerful than us, worthy of worship, although I do believe the mythological gods/aliens actually exist(ed)...)



.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Blessings upon you tinmenace:!

I believe the generic title of 'god' is overworked and becomes deficient without qualitative specificity of a 'Name'. As there are mortal(celebrities,sports,cinema),'gods' and immortal superbeing 'gods'. I like 'Causal Force' & 'Creator Being' and they should still be named.

Even the doctrine of Eckankar, popular in the 60s' & 70s' had a name for their 'Causal Force', the 'ECK".

Kindest Regards!: snoopsnuffleopagus

[archangel]

Did you even read the question? IT says are you a follower of a higher power?
ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

If you are then tick the box CHRISTIAN.

this will help future debates around here, because when dealing with the future generations of free souls and free humans, it would be easier know when your arguing with a religious belief. Just a little thought of my own, and i really wonder how many there are on this site.

[archangel]

Did you even read the question? IT says are you a follower of a higher power?
ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

If you are then tick the box CHRISTIAN.

this will help future debates around here, because when dealing with the future generations of free souls and free humans, it would be easier know when your arguing with a religious belief. Just a little thought of my own, and i really wonder how many there are on this site.

[james777]

The only difference between 'christians' and anyone else is the fact that we(christians) believe and accept Jesus Christ as the son of God and that he died giving a 'blood sacrifice' to atone for our sins so that we fall back into the good graces of God.

That's it! What's the big deal? Who wants to take a list? Are you judging christians here?

People, we are not gods ourselves. If this were true we wouldn't be here in this 3d world. No one here makes any rules or has any power over life, death, creation.......none of that. WE ARE NOT GODS........we are creations of God and we ARE created in HIS image, but gods we are NOT!!

P.S. Funny how the christians percentage works out to be 11.11

[fccool]

Whoa! Back of tiger! This thread is called "Identify the Christians". The qualifying question was:



And to that I say - if it's organized (spirituality), it's not for me.

So, wtf is your rant about?

And while I'm at it, which of David's books have you read, please?

I am Me I am Free, The Biggest Secret, and the latest Infinite Love is the Only truth. And I've watched probably 30 hrs worth of material on DVDs way before this site was built. I agree with many of his points, and most of his views are in accord with mine. Others are slightly off, but I view them from a different perspective. And believe me, my perspective you will not hear from the pulpit. I'm not trying to attack your beliefs. All I did was ask some questions. I believe a valid question. I'm sorry if I offended or perturbed you in any way.
My point though is that you can not separate physical from spritual. Human beings are spiritual beings IMO, and Icke has the same belief too. So if you are participating in organized economy, organized society, organized education ... even Icke's performances are organized and you are asked to pay a fee. So if fact you are a part of organized religious movement, whether you see it that way or not. You have your own Bibles (Icke's books) and your own messiah, Icke. I know you don't consider him to be, but it sure comes across that way. He himself sated that he is the son of god and etc. I don't ridicule him in any way, or in fact I try not to ridicule anybody... but I thought I jsut point out that you are not avoiding disorganized spirituality. No man is an Island. I don't care who you are, you will always try to organize into groups similar to this one. We all have something in common here, and it's our search for truth. I don't claim to have it all, and I sure hope you don't too. So let's search and put the bickering aside. It's just more divide and rule type of things.

[tinmenace]

I don't care who's what religion, as long as you:

Don't try convert me.

Don't create any laws based on your religion.

[fccool]

I don't care who's what religion, as long as you:

Don't try convert me.

Don't create any laws based on your religion.





Actually I belive that "Christians" will create laws based on their religion, and will make you submit to these. Once again, I hate to label myself "Christian" because majority have misunderstanding of what that implies. But I believe in personal choice, and that we all have ours... does not matter who you are. Only in our ability to choose freely we can have any true freedom. I don't think that Bible takes that away from you. If informs you of the consequences, but you can choose to do whatever you like, and you can choose to belive whatever you want. I have no dillusions about the possibility of me being wrong. But I don't think I'm missing out in any way.
For some reason people have no problem believing in shapeshifting reptiles that drink blood while participating in satanic rituals. When somebody mentions Jesus... ohhh everybody is upset trying to either prove that he did not exist, or that Christianity is for controlling your mind. I personally don't find anybody controlling me, it was my choice that I've made oudside of so called church based on research that I've done. You probably did the same. So what's all the bickering about? The reason we here is not because we know everything, but because we don't know. We seek truth. I realize that there's something wrong with the "church" (which I distanced myself from). I realized that everyone of those churches claim to be the true church and their version of truth is the most correct one. That goes for all of the other religions. That's why I like to look at that stuff as a fly on the wall so to speak.
As I've said earlier, the reason that Babylonian trinity existed (Nimrod, Tammuz and Semiramis) does not mean that Christianity was derived from it. If God indeed created this planet, he probably revealed some of the things that will happen in advance to some of the beings he created. So the false trinity could be put together to dilute the truth. I don't discount the possibility. But once again, I respect your choice for not believing so... and I understand where you are coming from, believe it or not.

[ashyr]

well i spose i should reply finally. watching this thread blow up in a few hours. lol

so who was dumb enough to tick CHRISTIAN? lol some people. not that im going to give them any ridicule other than a LOL we know who you are. but hey no point in harrasing them. theyve put them selves in their own prison. we just get to look @ them in there BARS and say "hey man u can take the bars down any time u know that, "christian" stay away from me. dont come near my bars" lol good luck with god.

btw tidying up that OTHER GODLY ENERRGY SUPREME BEING THING,
(being, god like figure, old man, some reptilian god, some kinda energy with a conciousness that says HELLO bend over... etc all that fits into christian please tick it. " lol )

yes if you believe in that to. then you might as well tick the BOX christian.

[nickatnoon61]

Actually I belive that "Christians" will create laws based on their religion, and will make you submit to these. Once again, I hate to label myself "Christian" because majority have misunderstanding of what that implies. But I believe in personal choice, and that we all have ours... does not matter who you are. Only in our ability to choose freely we can have any true freedom. I don't think that Bible takes that away from you. If informs you of the consequences, but you can choose to do whatever you like, and you can choose to belive whatever you want. I have no dillusions about the possibility of me being wrong. But I don't think I'm missing out in any way.
For some reason people have no problem believing in shapeshifting reptiles that drink blood while participating in satanic rituals. When somebody mentions Jesus... ohhh everybody is upset trying to either prove that he did not exist, or that Christianity is for controlling your mind. I personally don't find anybody controlling me, it was my choice that I've made oudside of so called church based on research that I've done. You probably did the same. So what's all the bickering about? The reason we here is not because we know everything, but because we don't know. We seek truth. I realize that there's something wrong with the "church" (which I distanced myself from). I realized that everyone of those churches claim to be the true church and their version of truth is the most correct one. That goes for all of the other religions. That's why I like to look at that stuff as a fly on the wall so to speak.
As I've said earlier, the reason that Babylonian trinity existed (Nimrod, Tammuz and Semiramis) does not mean that Christianity was derived from it. If God indeed created this planet, he probably revealed some of the things that will happen in advance to some of the beings he created. So the false trinity could be put together to dilute the truth. I don't discount the possibility. But once again, I respect your choice for not believing so... and I understand where you are coming from, believe it or not.

fccool, anyone who would support a religion that is responsible for the oppression, rape,torture,and murder of millions of men, women and ESP. children, thruout history....AND TODAY,is obviously ignorant of that fact, or is in DENIAL !!!!

[edit]

I don't care who's what religion, as long as you:

Don't try convert me.

Don't create any laws based on your religion.



YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[tinmenace]

I am Me I am Free, The Biggest Secret, and the latest Infinite Love is the Only truth. And I've watched probably 30 hrs worth of material on DVDs way before this site was built. I agree with many of his points, and most of his views are in accord with mine. Others are slightly off, but I view them from a different perspective. And believe me, my perspective you will not hear from the pulpit.

Jesus, go back and look how many times you've used big bold letters to reprimand people for answering a simple question on this thread.

I'm not trying to attack your beliefs.

Attack all you like, but get it right if you're going to do it.

All I did was ask some questions. I believe a valid question.

Valid to you and your belief system, but you really shouldn't worry so much about what I believe. I'm not trying to force it on you or anyone else, so why bother with what I believe?

I'm sorry if I offended or perturbed you in any way.

Ok, no problem. :)

My point though is that you can not separate physical from spritual.

This is where you and I part ways.

Human beings are spiritual beings IMO, and Icke has the same belief too.

Yeah but he believes so much more than that also...like this is all an illusion inside a holographic universe.

So if you are participating in organized economy, organized society, organized education ... even Icke's performances are organized and you are asked to pay a fee. So if fact you are a part of organized religious movement,

Religious movement? Really? I think at this point we might need to define the word RELIGION. You go first.


whether you see it that way or not.

I do not see it that way, therefor it is not that way in my reality.

You have your own Bibles (Icke's books) and your own messiah, Icke.

Obviously you have not COMPREHENDED David's books. My interest in and support of David's work is not a religion. I admire him for his brilliance and his courage. I don't wait for him to lead the way for me. I'm on my own path. I'm not waiting for David to manifest in my living room to deliver some holy message. Your use of the word "messiah" just killed your credibility with me. That shouldn't matter to you or anyone else, but I thought I'd mention it.

Please try to understand that we're not all waiting for someone else (messiah) to save us. Some of us understand that it's up to us individually to save ourselves.

I know you don't consider him to be, but it sure comes across that way.

Your perception is not my reality.

He himself sated that he is the son of god and etc.

Go back and re-read David's books, especially Infinite Love (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2). You have some catching up to do.

I don't ridicule him in any way, or in fact I try not to ridicule anybody...

Oh ok.


but I thought I jsut point out that you are not avoiding disorganized spirituality.

Disorganized spirituality? What's that?

No man is an Island. I don't care who you are, you will always try to organize into groups similar to this one.

You think you know every being on this planet? You don't know me. I do not organize into smaller groups. I have friends, but you can ask even them, I am pretty elusive and spend very very little time in group settings. I don't even identify with my own family and have no contact with most of them and very little with the others. So, we're not all clones, bud. We're not all the same. Some of us do not fit into neat little boxes with labels. You're just going to have to think outside of the box a little bit to get your mind wrapped around some of us.

We all have something in common here, and it's our search for truth.

I'm glad you see it that way, but remember that what resonates for me may not work for you. If something resonates for me, I know that it's meant for me and I instinctively follow it. That very same thing may not have the same resonance for you, but that doesn't mean that you're wrong, it just means that your path is different to mine...and guess what? None of us are on IDENTICAL paths because none of us are identical beings. Any effort to force us into identical boxes, like in religion - everyone believing the same thing, is unnatural and obscene.

I don't claim to have it all, and I sure hope you don't too. So let's search and put the bickering aside.

Not bickering, just want you to see it from my perspective, since you're the one that started this dialogue with me.

It's just more divide and rule type of things.

Alright.







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[john white]

Did you even read the question? IT says are you a follower of a higher power?

Exactly: it says follower

Thats the point

I don't follow, I Love

Why don't you?

Men accept their own responsibility:

Only children need a parent

If you need to go through someone to reach communion with the higher power, you are dependant upon them.

Religion is just a choice when it comes to being God Conscious

[fccool]

fccool, anyone who would support a religion that is responsible for the oppression, rape,torture,and murder of millions of men, women and ESP. children, thruout history....AND TODAY,is obviously ignorant of that fact, or is in DENIAL !!!!

I agree, and I don't support it. You have to be able to separate the idea from people who use the idea to do those things. It's like blaming guns for killing people :). But I agree with you that "Christianity" has been used to rape and murder for centuries. But in essence, Christianity never back these up. Hence how reformation came about and eventually Reinesance.. people got fed up with bulshit... but unfortunately it's still going on today, and I oppose it just as much as you do.

[fccool]

Exactly: it says follower

Thats the point

I don't follow, I Love

Why don't you?

Men accept their own responsibility:

Only children need a parent

If you need to go through someone to reach communion with the higher power, you are dependant upon them.

Religion is just a choice when it comes to being God Conscious

Exactly my point. well... Your point first :D

P.S. For people who wonder why the hell do I post so much... I just like to debate :). So don't get offended, I'm not really trying to piss anyone off. All of you are wonderful human beings... hence respect and love to all of you.

[archangel]

btw tidying up that OTHER GODLY ENERRGY SUPREME BEING THING,
(being, god like figure, old man, some reptilian god, some kinda energy with a conciousness that says HELLO bend over... etc all that fits into christian please tick it. " lol )

yes if you believe in that to. then you might as well tick the BOX christian.


If there is no God.......

How do you explain, Out of Body Experiences, Near Death Experiences, The Stories Of Dannion Brinkley and others about their N.D.Es and he abilities they have now?

How do you Explain Astral Projection?

[john white]

Exactly my point. well... Your point first

P.S. For people who wonder why the hell do I post so much... I just like to debate . So don't get offended, I'm not really trying to piss anyone off. All of you are wonderful human beings... hence respect and love to all of you.

Its all our point: lets say it together

We are hard on people in debate becuase pushing our ideas helps us further develop them: that works for all of us: but there's no hate in our hearts

[ashyr]

yes. OBEs and all that stuff is just the spirit or soul of a man experiencing a world beyond his CONFINED cell body. this doesnt prove anything about god existing or anything. its actualy proof he doesnt more i think. being able to float around the galaxys and the earth, and yet theres no CLOUD BASE with heaven written on the gate. also i cant remember the last anyone astral travelled to hell lol .. cause where already there.

[john white]

yes. OBEs and all that stuff is just the spirit or soul of a man experiencing a world beyond his CONFINED cell body. this doesnt prove anything about god existing or anything. its actualy proof he doesnt more i think. being able to float around the galaxys and the earth, and yet theres no CLOUD BASE with heaven written on the gate. also i cant remember the last anyone astral travelled to hell lol .. cause where already there.

Its interesting how much you don't yet know Ashyr. Your logical reasoning is sound, but thats just the start of understanding

[john white]

Well, soundish

[nickatnoon61]

I agree, and I don't support it. You have to be able to separate the idea from people who use the idea to do those things. It's like blaming guns for killing people :). But I agree with you that "Christianity" has been used to rape and murder for centuries. But in essence, Christianity never back these up. Hence how reformation came about and eventually Reinesance.. people got fed up with bulshit... but unfortunately it's still going on today, and I oppose it just as much as you do.

You obviously support it, because where your attention goes....your energy goes! If you were not a Christian, you would probably know that.

fcool wrote: But in essence, Christianity never back these up.


http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/ The heavy set native lady in the front/left was murdered by the church/state. I had met her at this rally in front of the Kelowna Courthouse. Kevin Annett is a friend of mine. He is an EX-REVEREND. THIS IS HAPPENING TODAY,fccool!!!!! This is what you are supporting if you are a CHRISTIAN, whether you want to admit it or not!

[ashyr]

im not going to spill my guts for nothing lol.
just because i talk with a half cocked gun, doesnt make me any more dense. lol
I hear you and i urge you to understand. the way i teach and learn also converse. isnt one based on DATA, DIGITS, Measurements, all the technical data, i talk on a understanding of it laymans terms, even though im sure i retain some of the data and settings.

what do you think i dont know?

[archangel]

yes. OBEs and all that stuff is just the spirit or soul of a man experiencing a world beyond his CONFINED cell body. this doesnt prove anything about god existing or anything. its actualy proof he doesnt more i think. being able to float around the galaxys and the earth, and yet theres no CLOUD BASE with heaven written on the gate. also i cant remember the last anyone astral travelled to hell lol .. cause where already there.

Your saying that you do believe your conciousness/soul/ what ever you want to call it ...does in fact live on after your physical body dies?

[fccool]

You obviously support it, because where your attention goes....your energy goes! If you were not a Christian, you would probably know that. But in essence, Christianity never back these up.


"I have not always been a shepherd" ... quote from Serenety. Great flick. firefly ruled man! I know I'm chnging the subject, but has anyone seen an 80s TV show called "V"? I remember it was one of my favourites growing up. It describes Ickes ideas precisely.

[ashyr]

of course it has to


"for somethign exist, it has and will always exists" for something to not exist "it has never existed and never will"


simple.

[ngawaka19]

hey ashyr,

thought I'd jump on your thread to say hi, bin watching from afar this thread, didn't want to jump on not my sort of topic, but wanted to say hi. and i hope your health is good.

love and light brother
ngawaka19

[archangel]

of course it has to


"for somethign exist, it has and will always exists" for something to not exist "it has never existed and never will"


simple.

Who is this answer directed to?? So u do agree that there is an after life??

[fccool]

http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/ The heavy set native lady in the front/left was murdered by the church/state. I had met her at this rally in front of the Kelowna Courthouse. Kevin Annett is a friend of mine. He is an EX-REVEREND. THIS IS HAPPENING TODAY,fccool!!!!! This is what you are supporting if you are a CHRISTIAN, whether you want to admit it or not!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4175517.stm
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/49895

Stuff like this happens today, and that's what happens when you support kitchen knife industry by buying one. Stop owning kitchen knives... these are the problem!!!! They kill alot of people and you support killing if you own one! ;)

Just throwing your logic back at ya.

Aslo, if we are indeed the same conciousness on this incredible journey through time and space... then what are the consequences of hitler killing millions? Does he simply moves on just like you and I because He, You and I are essentially the same infinite potential. He simply learns that he was wrong and that's it. Are there any eternal consequences for killing another person, or manipulating people, based on what you believe? If so... what are these consequences?

[lumukanda]

QUESTION......

SO ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED NOT CHRISTIAN DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY CONCEP OF GOD? A HIGHER POWER? OR AN AFTER LIFE?

YOU ARE ALL ATHEISTS?

The Poll asked if you believe in Jesus or any form of a higher power.

So even if you don't believe in Jesus but believe in God/a higher power then technically you should have still voted that you are a christian.

I personally do not believe in Jesus but believe in GOD is some kind of way. I do believe I will live on in some way after my body dies and believe there is a devine architecht who created the Universe.

so it's christianity or nothing eh? thats whats known as a rigged question.

[archangel]

so it's christianity or nothing eh? thats whats known as a rigged question.


Yes it is a rigged question..

But I undserstand the nature of the question now ...

Ayshr decalairs himself a satanist in the satanists forum...

They like to attack christians, show them Jesus is fake, show them no other esocteric occult religious information and then leave them with nothing...turn their world upside down so to speak and walk a way.

He can't do that quit so easily on here as we are more informed so he is trying to be real slick about it...

Pretty much his intention here is to prove Jesus is Fake to christians. Tell everyone else who might label themself Agnostic/Spiritual/believer in a higher power that there is no God. Explain that there is no reason to try to be a moral person. No afterlife, etc.

[kasalt]

Pretty much is intention here is to prove Jesus is Fake to christians. Tell everyone else there is no God. No reason to be a good person. No afterlife, etc.

Goodness is it's own reward. This is true regardless of whether there is or is not a God, afterlife, etc. Goodness is it's own reward.

[i_am]

so it's christianity or nothing eh? thats whats known as a rigged question.

I agree :rolleyes:

I believe in a higher power, I believe in a creator, I even believe there was a man whom Christians call Jesus, although I believe he was a man just like us who had the insight to which we aspire. I do not believe the bible should be taken literally and I do NOT support christianity. However, I am certainly not an atheist, probably not even agnostic because that implies I need proof of things in which I just 'believe.'

It is not a question that can be answered yes or no, black or white. There are MANY shades of grey.

[james777]

Revelation 22:11

11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

[fccool]

Revelation 22:11

11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

22:11 :D

[i_am]

22:11 :D

Haha. I spotted that too and was going to say something when I had finished typing an email :)

[nickatnoon61]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4175517.stm
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/49895

Stuff like this happens today, and that's what happens when you support kitchen knife industry by buying one. Stop owning kitchen knives... these are the problem!!!! They kill alot of people and you support killing if you own one! ;)

Just throwing your logic back at ya.

Aslo, if we are indeed the same conciousness on this incredible journey through time and space... then what are the consequences of hitler killing millions? Does he simply moves on just like you and I because He, You and I are essentially the same infinite potential. He simply learns that he was wrong and that's it. Are there any eternal consequences for killing another person, or manipulating people, based on what you believe? If so... what are these consequences?

GOOD ANSWER FCCOOL,IGNORANCE AND DENIAL PREVAILS AGAIN!!!!!!BUT OF COURSE THAT IS THE WHOLE AGENDA BEHIND RELIGION(IGNORANCE)..........

[phoenix1]

Believing that you are free to do what you want is also a belief, it's called Satanism. Now how many Satanists on here are going to admit that is what they worship? I'd say a sum total of zero. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.


I believe I am free to do what I want Baron.. If thats what I believe fella then I must be a Satanist. Wake up !! I cannot believe you said that.


There ya go Baron some of us apparent Satanists as you imply ain't afraid off some of the bullshit you espouse.

Get an original thought in your head Baron like you used to do in the old forum.

You are fucking enbelievable . I dont se you deffending your faith i on the FUCKING CHRISTIANITY THREAD in the rant room , can't find it ?? here it is for ya ..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5129
Phoenix the fucking evil Satanist ffsake claiming the first the first number 1 here lol ( no zeros now Baron)

And as for the stench of Hypocrisy ... Look at your own church withe the blinkers off .. if you can cut past the presets.


SatanIS Phoenix hehehhheh hahahahha lol roflmfho !! ho hum

[oneofmany]

Did you even read the question? IT says are you a follower of a higher power? Actually, it said ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER? Pretend to be!! :rolleyes: does not mean what you wrote. Are you here to deliberately mislead?

[fccool]

GOOD ANSWER FCCOOL,IGNORANCE AND DENIAL PREVAILS AGAIN!!!!!!BUT OF COURSE THAT IS THE WHOLE AGENDA BEHIND RELIGION(IGNORANCE)..........

Once again, you assume that I support group like these. Where do you get this preconcieved idea? You don't even know me, nevertheless what I believe. To say that I support the idea of church/state killing is ignorant at best :). I don't go to "church" and don't belong to a denomination. I don't support any of these with my money... I and some of my friends hold Bible studies together in which we do discuss many things outside of what you would call "religious conversations". I don't define what I'm doing as a religion, but rather as a relationship... and I certainly don't and will not vote for any politician... Be it Bill clinton, Ron Paul, or even if Jesus himself would run for president :) I understand why you are upset, and I know that you don't mind shoving people into a category when you are upset and then telling them that they support the entire category, and I guess I found a new definition of ignorance:

Ignorance - anything other than what you belive :). ( sarcasm... don't get mad... I'm just kidding).

These things are not black and white. There are many shades of gray. You can't brand everyone with your stereotypical view of them. But then again... It's your choice. But life's too short to be pissed off IMO. Somebody needs to paint in a nice little smiley over your avatar.

[phoenix1]

Believing that you are free to do what you want is also a belief, it's called Satanism. Now how many Satanists on here are going to admit that is what they worship? I'd say a sum total of zero. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Do you believe you are free to do what you want to do Baron??. ie you believed you were free to make this statement for instance right ??or in some manner did you have to "pay" to to make this statement ??

I belive you thought that you thought you were free to say the above.....saying is also doing (some thing) is it not ??

In which case you are a Satanist too.

C'mon Baron get on the thread in the rant room and tell us we are wrong on that thread .. if you have a pair... Proove it.:rolleyes:

SatanistPhoenix heheh hahahah wot be thefirst time not the last this old Phoenix here is Satanic roflmho

[archangel]

Actually, it said Pretend to be!! :rolleyes: does not mean what you wrote. Are you here to deliberately mislead?

Are you trying to Mislead???

Do I pretend to be a follower??? exccuse me???

Read the whole thread buddy. Ashyr clarifed his statement, He said in that he lumps anyone who believes in a higher power in with christians.

[oneofmany]

Are you trying to Mislead???

Do I pretend to be a follower??? exccuse me???

Read the whole thread buddy. Ashyr clarifed his statement, He said in that he lumps anyone who believes in a higher power in with christians.If YOU read the WHOLE THREAD, including the first sentence, you wouldn't of carried on with your shit! Oh and I HAVE READ IT, but nevertheless Buddy:rolleyes: no matter what ashyr said to clarify, that's what it says. hostile git

[fccool]

What exactly does this thread accomplishing? :rolleyes:

1) You know who the "christians" are on the board... and I don't think anybody cares.

2) You know what you believe and it is not Christianity... so why waste your time trying to prove it wrong. There are thousands of people in this world doing your job pretty well

3) Arguing origins is not something you can can do by using a paper and rocks or even logic as your support. So what's the point?

4) Essencially everyone will just prove that they are right and everyone else is wrong, unless they agree... of course.

5) Much of time wasted only to end up at square 1... which is religion is bulshit because it has been invented for manipulation - the essence of the argument (which I believe in part BTW)


I'm out of this thread. Waste of everybody's time IMHO.

[archangel]

well i spose i should reply finally. watching this thread blow up in a few hours. lol

so who was dumb enough to tick CHRISTIAN? lol some people. not that im going to give them any ridicule other than a LOL we know who you are. but hey no point in harrasing them. theyve put them selves in their own prison. we just get to look @ them in there BARS and say "hey man u can take the bars down any time u know that, "christian" stay away from me. dont come near my bars" lol good luck with god.

btw tidying up that OTHER GODLY ENERRGY SUPREME BEING THING,
(being, god like figure, old man, some reptilian god, some kinda energy with a conciousness that says HELLO bend over... etc all that fits into christian please tick it. " lol )

yes if you believe in that to. then you might as well tick the BOX christian.

No its not what it says...

hes thes one playing word games here. He is Satanists and made his question slick on purpose. He lumped people who believe in GOD/a higher power in with christians

carried on with my shit? haha ok..

I would love to have you face to face and hear you mouth of like you do.

[nickatnoon61]

Once again, you assume that I support group like these. Where do you get this preconcieved idea? You don't even know me, nevertheless what I believe. To say that I support the idea of church/state killing is ignorant at best :). I don't go to "church" and don't belong to a denomination. I don't support any of these with my money... I and some of my friends hold Bible studies together in which we do discuss many things outside of what you would call "religious conversations". I don't define what I'm doing as a religion, but rather as a relationship... and I certainly don't and will not vote for any politician... Be it Bill clinton, Ron Paul, or even if Jesus himself would run for president :) I understand why you are upset, and I know that you don't mind shoving people into a category when you are upset and then telling them that they support the entire category, and I guess I found a new definition of ignorance:

Ignorance - anything other than what you belive :). ( sarcasm... don't get mad... I'm just kidding).

These things are not black and white. There are many shades of gray. You can't brand everyone with your stereotypical view of them. But then again... It's your choice. But life's too short to be pissed off IMO. Somebody needs to paint in a nice little smiley over your avatar.

FC, I am a vegetarian over 25 yrs.(vegan, around 8 mos.) I became vegan because, I recently found out that dairy cows are slaughtered along side beef cattle . I do not want to be a supporter of that! I know the only way to stop this wholesale slaughter of our animal friends is to become educated about it and NOT SUPPORT IT! Now if everyone thought that way, the slaughterhouses would be out of business tomorrow! It is the same with the FAIRY TALE of JC! It isn't GWB and Cheney etc, who are the REAL problem. it is the nit-wit, mind-controlled SHEEPLE/CHRISTIANS who create the "market" for oppression and the NWO! If one could get away with criminal activities, with no resistance, one would do it... 9 times out of 10, no? Con artists lick their chops when they discover a Christian, as they know in most cases it is "easy pickins". I have spoken with many Christians, and you are right, I ASS UME they are ignorant, because.NOT ALL, but the majority of them are! If I went to Vegas with 95 % odds of winning, I would be doing pretty well,no? Christians, unknowingly, in most cases, support most of the EVIL institutions and establishments, that keep us in bondage! BECAUSE THEY ARE IGNORANT. IT IS NOT A JUDGEMENT, BUT AN OBSERVATION! I was involved with the SDA Church for 3 years, but I got out, because I could see the FEAR,GUILT, and CONTROL a mile away! "if it's a piece of shit....walk away"...David Icke

[nickatnoon61]

5) Much of time wasted only to end up at square 1... which is religion is bulshit because it has been invented for manipulation - the essence of the argument (which I believe in part BTW)


I'm out of this thread. Waste of everybody's time IMHO.

Fccool, that is a start at least!:)

[dracula]

Sorry humans:confused: for asking but can you pp tell me please, if you"ll belive in this 1 powerfull GOD or do you belive god is everything.......If those who lead you say to you, "See, the Kingdom is in the sky," then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, "It is in the sea," then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.....

who is the the living Father???

You are God. I am God. We are God. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better the planet will be. Contrary to Christian doctrine, God did not make man in His own image, man made God in his own image. As the saying goes.

Do you ppl think this saying is right please help??? (for me i feel that is true )

[fccool]

FC, I am a vegetarian over 25 yrs.(vegan, around 8 mos.) I became vegan because, I recently found out that dairy cows are slaughtered along side beef cattle . I do not want to be a supporter of that! I know the only way to stop this wholesale slaughter of our animal friends is to become educated about it and NOT SUPPORT IT! Now if everyone thought that way, the slaughterhouses would be out of business tomorrow! It is the same with the FAIRY TALE of JC! It isn't GWB and Cheney etc, who are the REAL problem. it is the nit-wit, mind-controlled SHEEPLE/CHRISTIANS who create the "market" for oppression and the NWO! If one could get away with criminal activities, with no resistance, one would do it... 9 times out of 10, no? Con artists lick their chops when they discover a Christian, as they know in most cases it is "easy pickins". I have spoken with many Christians, and you are right, I ASS UME they are ignorant, because.NOT ALL, but the majority of them are! If I went to Vegas with 95 % odds of winning, I would be doing pretty well,no? Christians, unknowingly, in most cases, support most of the EVIL institutions and establishments, that keep us in bondage! BECAUSE THEY ARE IGNORANT. IT IS NOT A JUDGEMENT, BUT AN OBSERVATION! I was involved with the SDA Church for 3 years, but I got out, because I could see the FEAR,GUILT, and CONTROL a mile away! "if it's a piece of shit....walk away"...David Icke

Do you pay taxes? Could'nt help myself :)

P.S. 95%, 9 out of 10.... where do you get the stats? Is there a universal ignorance census? ;)

[montag]

"if it's a piece of shit....walk away"...David Icke
Thats a Bill Hicks quote..

[nickatnoon61]

Do you pay taxes? Could'nt help myself :)

I am in a Detax group,C.L.E.A.R.(GOOGLE IT) and I pay no income tax for over 6 years. I have NEVER PAID A FINE , PARKING TICKET,ETC. IN MY LIFE, either! I will and have gone to jail instead. So now the cowards, pick on someone else, who will "turn the other cheek"!(THAT MEANS BEND OVER, DOESN'T IT???) I walk the talk pal! I know who and what these fukks/COWARDS are, because, I MAKE IT MY BUSINESS TO KNOW!!!

[nickatnoon61]

Thats a Bill Hicks quote..

I STAND CORRECTED Montag...thanx....

[montag]

I STAND CORRECTED Montag...thanx....
NO SOUP FOR ME!:o

[fccool]

I am in a Detax group,C.L.E.A.R.(GOOGLE IT) and I pay no income tax for over 6 years. I have NEVER PAID A FINE , PARKING TICKET,ETC. IN MY LIFE, either! I will and have gone to jail instead. So now the cowards, pick on someone else, who will "turn the other cheek"!(THAT MEANS BEND OVER, DOESN'T IT???) I walk the talk pal! I know who and what these fukks/COWARDS are, because, I MAKE IT MY BUSINESS TO KNOW!!!

Now, now. Easy, mr. Dynamite. Take a cold shower. I don't pay any registration fees or any income tax outside of what is forcefully taken out without my consent (unfortunately I can't do anything about it). It was a simple question. I am vegitarian myself. I guess my final question. What happens to those who you hate after they die? You know... those ignorant...the murderers... the ones picking on you. Do you have a theory?

[thirdwave]

Did you even read the question? IT says are you a follower of a higher power?



lol!

Yes I did .... it did not say "ARE YOU A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?"

it said ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?, DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION, PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

and we were provided with two answers... either Christian, or not.

I selected Not because im not a Christian ..i don't follow any Christian religion and i don't PRETEND to follow a high power.

on top of that.... is the question implying that if you PRETEND to be a follower of a higher power, you are the same as a Christian? ... hence they are just pretending?

want me to read it again ???

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=fccool;94695]Now, now. Easy, mr. Dynamite. Take a cold shower. I don't pay any registration fees or any income tax outside of what is forcefully taken out without my consent (unfortunately I can't do anything about it). It was a simple question. I am vegitarian myself. I guess my final question. What happens to those who you hate after they die? You know... those ignorant...the murderers... the ones picking on you. Do you have a theory?[/QUOTE

Everyone gets a chance to play the good guy bad guy in their evolution and experiences! That's all they are is EXPERIENCES. Religion is what brainwashed us into judging experiences and labelling them good or bad. There is no good or bad...there just IS.........

[nickatnoon61]

NO SOUP FOR ME!:o

Maybe a cup...but not a bowl.:D:D LOL

[fccool]

[QUOTE=fccool;94695]Now, now. Easy, mr. Dynamite. Take a cold shower. I don't pay any registration fees or any income tax outside of what is forcefully taken out without my consent (unfortunately I can't do anything about it). It was a simple question. I am vegitarian myself. I guess my final question. What happens to those who you hate after they die? You know... those ignorant...the murderers... the ones picking on you. Do you have a theory?[/QUOTE

Everyone gets a chance to play the good guy bad guy in their evolution and experiences! That's all they are is EXPERIENCES. Religion is what brainwashed us into judging experiences and labelling them good or bad. There is no good or bad...there just IS.........

So why are you so upset then? If there's no good or bad... what difference does it make if I blow somebody's brains out? It's just an experience. The people who are controlling, and even the religious experience is just IS... it
s not good or bad. It does not really matter. So why are you so concerned then. I'm just trying to use logic here, but I'm guessing it somehow difies it. I mean, if there're are no eternal consequences for my actions... then I don't blame those bastards for controlling us. They can, because it's a part of their experience. I guess, there's no good or bad ... only ignorant... to which group I aparently belong. Once again, forgive my sarcasm, but I can't help it.

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=nickatnoon61;94711]

So why are you so upset then? If there's no good or bad... what difference does it make if I blow somebody's brains out? It's just an experience. The people who are controlling, and even the religious experience is just IS... it
s not good or bad. It does not really matter. So why are you so concerned then. I'm just trying to use logic here, but I'm guessing it somehow difies it. I mean, if there're are no eternal consequences for my actions... then I don't blame those bastards for controlling us. They can, because it's a part of their experience. I guess, there's no good or bad ... only ignorant... to which group I aparently belong. Once again, forgive my sarcasm, but I can't help it.

Who's upset? I am stating a fact of life, that anyone with eyes can see! You said,"I guess, there's no good or bad ... only ignorant... to which group I aparently belong."
Don't try to twist what I said earlier. I said the "majority" of Christians are ignorant,not ALL!(which means unaware or unknowing) And I know I can transcend the "MORON MAJORITY" by raising my personal "vibe" to where they cannot reach me! If and when I choose to. I have had a spiritual experience, and I know there are NO limits to what I can achieve, any time I want to do the work it takes!

There are negative and positive experiences, not "good" or "bad"! If you like to suffer and experience negatives, live negatively. If you want harmony and peace(positives), live that. It is all choices we make.Free will. Religion has taught us to judge. There is a difference between judging and discerning. A child uses discernment, until he is forced/brainwashed to use judgement, like the rest of us! That is why we spend more time worrying about what other people think of us, (What a waste of energy, eh?) instead of taking positive action, and saying no, to the NWO!

[herebynightfall]

don't persist and dwell too long on the ignorant.

just live and let die.

the 4th dimension is vividness and knowledge.

[phoenix1]

The simple answer is this we are the HIGH POWER everything that is .. is a vital part of all that is.. without one part we would not have the infinite whole.

UnityPhoenix:)

[archangel]

lol!

Yes I did .... it did not say "ARE YOU A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?"

it said ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?, DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION, PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER?

and we were provided with two answers... either Christian, or not.

I selected Not because im not a Christian ..i don't follow any Christian religion and i don't PRETEND to follow a high power.

on top of that.... is the question implying that if you PRETEND to be a follower of a higher power, you are the same as a Christian? ... hence they are just pretending?

want me to read it again ???

Then tell me how I should Vote....

I DO follow a higher power, how should I vote???

Tell me one person who PRETENDS to follow Jesus, or PRETENDS to believe in GOD.

[james777]

Too bad there's not a SHIT Room around here.......

[fccool]

Then tell me how I should Vote....

I DO follow a higher power, how should I vote???

Tell me one person who PRETENDS to follow Jesus, or PRETENDS to believe in GOD.

Actually there are. George Bush is a good example IMO. He does it to get votes. Same with many preachers... good money. But these kinds wont be on this thread. They don't care about the truth, but care about NOW ... FOR ME.

[bigus_dickus]

fun to see everyone answer an invalid question and create an empty pointless thread of 16 pages so far. :)

[fccool]

fun to see everyone answer an invalid question and create an empty pointless thread of 16 pages so far. :)

:D Debate, yeayyyyy! :) Just though to make it 17.

[i am all i am]

Sorry humans:confused: for asking but can you pp tell me please, if you"ll belive in this 1 powerfull GOD or do you belive god is everything.......If those who lead you say to you, "See, the Kingdom is in the sky," then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, "It is in the sea," then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.....

who is the the living Father???

You are God. I am God. We are God. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better the planet will be. Contrary to Christian doctrine, God did not make man in His own image, man made God in his own image. As the saying goes.

Do you ppl think this saying is right please help??? (for me i feel that is true )

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Dracula.

Welcome to the forum.

Right and wrong are paired opposites. If you look at my signature you can see what I believe. We are all individuated aspects of ALL THAT IS !!!

THANK YOU.



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[i am all i am]

I believe I am free to do what I want Baron.. If thats what I believe fella then I must be a Satanist. Wake up !! I cannot believe you said that.


There ya go Baron some of us apparent Satanists as you imply ain't afraid off some of the bullshit you espouse.

Get an original thought in your head Baron like you used to do in the old forum.

You are fucking enbelievable . I dont se you deffending your faith i on the FUCKING CHRISTIANITY THREAD in the rant room , can't find it ?? here it is for ya ..

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5129
Phoenix the fucking evil Satanist ffsake claiming the first the first number 1 here lol ( no zeros now Baron)

And as for the stench of Hypocrisy ... Look at your own church withe the blinkers off .. if you can cut past the presets.


SatanIS Phoenix hehehhheh hahahahha lol roflmfho !! ho hum

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Phoenix.

Thanks for posting that link brother.

Maybe the christians have avoided that thread and the information on it because thay are afraid to face the truth of the matter, that they are FOLLOWERS (read slave) of a contrived dogmatic system !!!

THANK YOU.



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[phildee3]

Who are the two Christians? Will you come forward? Im not looking to either attack or indocrinate with what I believe. Just curious.

There are now six of us who claim to be.
How can I help you, Roxanna?

[dracula]

where is the 6 christians because that is an illusion. why do you wanna follow that Matrix god program. Just think for yourself who is the man that created christian religion. It wasent jesus it was a man with the name Paul . that dont even know what is Life all about. He is 1 of that mind control puppets that think he have all the awnsers but is that really the truth, is that really what life is all about? please Help me out if i am wrong but i say why do you need a religion that is corrupt:eek::confused::eek:

It should never be forgotten that the power of the priest rests solely on the credence of the people. The people cry out for a savior, for certainty of heaven, for an exemption from the terrors of hell. Hence Priestcraft can neither do without hell nor purgatory. Take away both, or either, and its power is gone - M. F. Cusack (The Black Pope: A History of the Jesuits)

[dracula]

I am the one – the Orgasmatron
The out-stretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land.
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery and torture in my name.
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia of the law
My name is called Religion
Sadistic sacred whore.
I twist the truth, I rule the world
My crown is called deceit.
I am the Emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet.
I rob you and I slaughter you
Your downfall is my gain
But still you play the sycophant
And revel in your pain.
And all my promises are lies, all my love is hate
I am the Politician and I decide your fate.
I march before a martyred world
An army for the fight.
I speak of great heroic deeds, of victory and might.
I hold a banner drenched in blood
I urge you to be brave
I lead you to your destiny
I lead you to your graves.
Your bones will build my palaces
Your eyes will stud my crown
For I am Mars – the God of War
And I will cut you down.

[dracula]

No one said it had to be this way
Why are we the victims of their final word?
Dying world is killing us so slow
I believe no god may save us now
Can you see what I see?
Sinners say your prayers tonight
The judgement day is here
Child of tomorrow will die - not even born
Jesus our questions, never seems to hear
Dying for the answers may be – the price we pay
To find a key to our lives
Is there a heaven? Is there a hell?
Who's this god? - Tell me
There's no god above
Why? Oh!
We choose what Lord - deep within our souls
He's not one thing, we are his spirit
We could save this world from destruction day
Can you see what I see?
Can you hear me crying?
Oh God can you help me now?
Take my hand - no home no home
Of God take my heaven
You and I are victims of their word
As the masters of power try to poison our world
Greed money taken over their souls
Just mechanical brains
Politicians don't know
They just don't know – they just don't know

There are phantoms here on earth who take away our lives
They kill your kids and they rape your wives
They rip your flesh, tear your heart and take you down to hell
They don't give a damn on any kind of life
Phantoms bring evil, destruction and death
Night after night the same old game
They all look so harmless but deep in their hearts
Satan is lurking, and he will break out
The empire of deceivers is built upon your fear
You'll have to lose it 'cause the end is near
Warheads, armies stand to strike, I know it isn't right
I wanna get out of here, I don't wanna die
Infernal destruction of fire you'll burn
Then you'll be helpless but it's not too late
Stand up right now and you'll be the winner
Or Satan will get you, take you forever
Genocide everywhere
Where's the Saviour of this world?
Phantoms of Death!
Where is he the promised saviour the one who'll save the earth?
Perhaps he'll come to bury us but then it'll be too late
Who are they who are the phantoms who will end our lives
It's you and me, you and me
Open up your eyes!
Phantoms bring evil, destruction and death
Night after night the same old game
They all look so harmless but deep in their hearts
Satan is lurking, and he will break out
We are all parasites of this world we shall die!

[dracula]

thanx for replying i am me i am:);):) i apprechiate it allot;)

[nickatnoon61]

Jesus Christ
Posted: May, 28, 2001
Can you tell me who was Jesus Christ? Is he the anticipated Jewish Messiah as I believe he is? I know you said that much of the New Testament was altered to suit the Roman Empires agenda to control the masses, but what exactly can I believe to be the truth that the Christ did say? He did fulfill all of the porphecies on the Old Testament and the odds of someone doing this is a number with over 157 zeros at the end. Do you believe there will be a Second Coming of Jesus? –Russ


Stewart's Reply: All religion is mind-control. The prophecies in the Old Testament were manipulated into manisfestation in order to "fulfill" them. The Christ figure was a genetic creation designed to skew the belief system of a few strains of humanity at that time. Read the Talmud of Emmanuel, if you can find a copy. The NWO is creating a New World Religion using a cloned Christ. Be wary when it is announced. They will present a mind-controlled Jesus clone that people will believe. Trust the God-Mind withing yourself. You do not need an external savior.

[dracula]

nickatnoon do you know about Michael tsarion (http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/) if not go and do yourself a favor and get his book, the up coming David Icke book is looking very very intresting cant wait:):):):):)Thanx David where ever you are:):):):):)Psychedelics will open the door to a new reallity, my which is to take ayahuasca becs i know that is 1 of the most powerfull, mind expanding brews in the world, that would take us beyond our 5 sence reallity of what we call life ..... go and do research on the shamans ..........http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

http://www.secondattention.org/main/Media.aspx

PLease check it out(timothy leary)

http://www.futurehi.net/media.html

http://www.lancerules.com/terence/

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/nonsubscriber.php (2 brothers that is getting the truth out to the world)

http://www.taroscopes.com/products/interviews_atlantispage.html (Michael Tsarion was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland and is an author, public speaker, historian and businessman whose topics include religion, symbolism, sidereal astrology, mythology, the occult, Atlantis, etc.)

http://www.illuminaticonfessions.webfriend.it (Leo Lyon Zagami, ex-member of the Comitato Esecutivo Massonico - Masonic Executive Committee (MEC) of Monte Carlo. He was, until recently, a high level member of the Italian Illuminati, a 33rd degree freemason, a true insider and a high-member of the infamous Freemasonic P2 Lodge. He was the "prince", prepared to take over after the older Illuminati "king", Licio Gelli. He is of Illuminati aristocrat bloodline and therefore involved in the Illuminati Order since childhood)

[fccool]

Jesus Christ
Posted: May, 28, 2001
Can you tell me who was Jesus Christ? Is he the anticipated Jewish Messiah as I believe he is? I know you said that much of the New Testament was altered to suit the Roman Empires agenda to control the masses, but what exactly can I believe to be the truth that the Christ did say? He did fulfill all of the porphecies on the Old Testament and the odds of someone doing this is a number with over 157 zeros at the end. Do you believe there will be a Second Coming of Jesus? –Russ


Stewart's Reply: All religion is mind-control. The prophecies in the Old Testament were manipulated into manisfestation in order to "fulfill" them. The Christ figure was a genetic creation designed to skew the belief system of a few strains of humanity at that time. Read the Talmud of Emmanuel, if you can find a copy. The NWO is creating a New World Religion using a cloned Christ. Be wary when it is announced. They will present a mind-controlled Jesus clone that people will believe. Trust the God-Mind withing yourself. You do not need an external savior.

I'll resort to the Socratic method here. I think John White will have a ball :)

Question #1: How do you know what you know.

Qusetion #2: How do you know what you know to be truth?

Question #3: How can you prove the above two

:) Good luck.

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=fccool;95191]I'll resort to the Socratic method here. I think John White will have a ball :)

Question #1: How do you know what you know.

Qusetion #2: How do you know what you know to be truth?

Question #3: How can you prove the above two

Thanx Fccool, but I don't need luck!:D I have had a spiritual experience, so I know there is a "higher power", that has nothing, whatsoever, to do with Churchianity. I use my "god-given" brain to discern, investigate. I have "street-smarts", so it is harder to con me. I can see the FEAR,GUILT AND CONTROL, that is rampant in Churches. I have researched SRA, for years, and it is rampant in Christian homes. I was involved with the SDA church for around 3 years, so I have personal experience.(A preacher once said that it is not what you feel that matters, but what is in the Bible ,or HIS interpretation of the Bible.) My 4 year old daughter made a huge fuss(screaming and crying) about sitting close to another pastor of the SDA Church, to take a picture. The only other time she did that was with a psychotic aquaintence I had, who was a real sinister dude. That same pastor stole a keyboard that I had while the church was looking after my apartment for a short time. He lived in a big home on the hill, from the $$$$ he coerced from the SDA suckers! So all these little clues give me a picture that IS NOT PRETTY. I have lots of other evidence, also, but I will ask you one question. Can't you see something terribly wrong with a world that is full of religion and is TOTALLY FUCKED???? You have to be blinded/mind-controlled NOT to see it!!!!!!

[kblood]

Too me I cant say Im not a christian, but I wouldnt say im christian either. Some day I might have a christian wedding, but I dont know yet :P I also pay tax to the christian church, and I was raised as a christian.

Im kinda hoping for a christian funeral as well... but I cant say wether it would be called a christian funeral when that day comes ;) Maybe I would have a celtic funeral :rolleyes:

[dracula]

Too me I cant say Im not a christian, but I wouldnt say im christian either. Some day I might have a christian wedding, but I dont know yet :P I also pay tax to the christian church, and I was raised as a christian.

Im kinda hoping for a christian funeral as well... but I cant say wether it would be called a christian funeral when that day comes ;) Maybe I would have a celtic funeral :rolleyes:

all that i can say is good luck and have a woderfull life because you will need it" i rather die with out any religion why do you need it i was also raised christian but after all the documents and a bit of lsd it changed my whole life

psychedelics Provided a deeper unterstanding into the complicated maze that is the human and spiritual soul. A more clear perception of the sorrounding world and new possibilities to interpret it.
It has made me realize how much of a gift life and how we all need to take care of our earth so in the future others will be able to experience the same gift that we have.
Opened my eyes to spirituality. Increased my ability to create & enjoy music. Made me less negative towards others & myself.
Broadened my views on life. made me think in an entirely different way.
Has opened my mind to countless possibilities. Made me more aware of the world around and within. Taught me to never accept reality at face value. Given me a keen interest in consciousness and perception.
LSD has allowed me to witness reality in a perspective that one cannot comprehend in sobriety.
opens mind to new things you wouldnt necassarly be open to.
It has given me an esoteric sense of having seen behind 'the veil'.
LSD was indeed a kind of 'mind expansion' agent for me, opening up what was a rather narrow perception of life. However, I am unable to say if its physical effects were completely benign - the states of our brain health are too complex to assess the effects of only one factor. As yet, I have no regrets.
Opened up my mind and heart to the world.
LSD gave me a new perspective on just about everything that is considered reality. It really allowed me to see the importance of many things that I took for granted--it showed me the fine line between the twisting nether of philosophy and the systematic patterns of science and walked me through both. Without the experiences I've had during unfathomable trips to the depths of my mind and back... I would never understand the world as well as I do today.
Opened my mind - initially made me very vulnerable, then when my situation stabilized... all's well that ends well.. LSD has taught me the basics of a subjective reality. It has shown me that the way I see things is not always the way things are and is not always the way others see things. It has taught me that I can become anything I choose, as long as I remove the restrictions I set on what I can become. LSD brodened my outlook on life and made me realize the vastnest realitly of life. It had opened up my mind and made me fearless to the uknown. it helps broaden my horizons. Opens my eyes. I just can say it gave me a better understanding of the world and specially of my brain and my subconsciouness. it also helps with the creativity process. more open minded. See things differently. im in deep thought a lot. My personal opinion is that lsd opens the mind to more radical thought and is a step in the right direction for humankind.:):) Im 18 male (26 october 1988) http://psyclone-universe.blogspot.com/:cool:

[oneofmany]

No its not what it says...

hes thes one playing word games here. He is Satanists and made his question slick on purpose. He lumped people who believe in GOD/a higher power in with christians

carried on with my shit? haha ok..

I would love to have you face to face and hear you mouth of like you do.Is this some kind of threat mate? you sad person, and it is shit you carry on with, sorry to burst your bubble, oh and I'd have no problem saying this to your face pal, I have no fear of anyone or anything, including the big man on a forum, Archangel. :D How can you play word games when the words are right there in front of you? :confused: maybe your brain is playing word games with you. Oh, and it is what it says ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? DO YOU FOLLOW ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION? PRETEND TO BE A FOLLOWER OF A HIGHER POWER? see

[notaslave]

Death accepts everyone ..... and so does my "God". "We" don't hold with elitism.

[john white]

I'll resort to the Socratic method here. I think John White will have a ball :)

Question #1: How do you know what you know.

Qusetion #2: How do you know what you know to be truth?

Question #3: How can you prove the above two

:) Good luck.

Yeah, especially as I can imagine Socrates using that as the basis to then go on and declare "See! None of you really know anything! And neither do I! Right lads, now thats out the way, we can get on with developing wisdom..."

BTW, the indicator of a thought that seems to be moving towards truth is a harmony of vibration across our perceptions of it...

[kasalt]

I have researched SRA, for years, and it is rampant in Christian homes. I was involved with the SDA church for around 3 years, so I have personal experience.(A preacher once said that it is not what you feel that matters, but what is in the Bible ,or HIS interpretation of the Bible.) My 4 year old daughter made a huge fuss(screaming and crying) about sitting close to another pastor of the SDA Church, to take a picture. The only other time she did that was with a psychotic aquaintence I had, who was a real sinister dude. That same pastor stole a keyboard that I had while the church was looking after my apartment for a short time. He lived in a big home on the hill, from the $$$$ he coerced from the SDA suckers! So all these little clues give me a picture that IS NOT PRETTY. I have lots of other evidence, also, but I will ask you one question. Can't you see something terribly wrong with a world that is full of religion and is TOTALLY FUCKED???? You have to be blinded/mind-controlled NOT to see it!!!!!!

I thought this article might be of interest:

Saints and Psychopaths

Psychopaths pretending to be saints present a very serious problem for all spiritual traditions. There are many more psychopaths pretending to be saints than there are real saints. Chotahari Dasa (11-18-05)


If you have a true saint for a teacher, then you have a real possibility for spiritual attainments, including enlightenment. If your teacher is a psychopath, then you may become a programmed puppet, and you risk being sexually or financially abused. You also may lose your job, family and possibly even your sanity. Eventually you risk disillusionment from pursuing any spiritual quests.

In his book, Saints and Psychopaths, William Hazlitt gives a checklist of saintly and psychopathic qualities.

Saints:
Are consistent in what they say, mean, and do. Follow the moral standards they teach. Keep promises. Pay debts. Hold truth as the highest standard. Insists that their close associates tell the truth. Present rational, unaggressive philosophy. Are attractive but don't exploit others and ingrain dependency. Wait for you to seek their help. Good reputation endures and improves. Things turn out well in the long run. People get long-term benefit from their association. Are concerned about their actions on themselves and on others. Immediately apologize for errors. Look for their own mistakes and will voluntarily make amends. If trapped do not renounce their principles. Can sit very still. Encourage associates to be self-reliant. Refrain from using mind-dulling substances. Are comfortable being in the background.

Psychopaths:
Are inconsistent in what they say, mean, and do. Have different rules for themselves and for their followers. Break their promises. Have bad debts, scheme to avoid paying, even write bad checks. Have no regard for the truth. Will order close associates to lie. Are aggressive with philosophy and may not try to appeal to reason. Are attractive and use it to exploit others and ingrain dependency. Come on with unsolicited advice. Good reputation fades in time. Things turn out badly in the long run. People are damaged by long term association. Are unconcerned about their actions on themselves and on others. Apologize as a last resort. Ignore their own mistakes and rectify them only if cornered. If trapped will do or say whatever it takes to escape. Typically have variable and exotic health problems. Can sit still only when the center of attention. Enslave those around them. Often indulge in using mind-dulling substances. Are obsessed with being in the limelight.

Hazlitt stresses that the person with only one or two of these symptoms is not necessarily a psychopath, nor is the occasional occurrence of these symptoms a definite indicator of psychopathology. On the other hand, if someone has several of them to a marked degree we should not twist our perceptions but should be decisive in avoiding them.

http://iskcon.krishna.org/Articles/2005/10/saints_psychopaths.html

[fccool]

Yeah, especially as I can imagine Socrates using that as the basis to then go on and declare "See! None of you really know anything! And neither do I! Right lads, now thats out the way, we can get on with developing wisdom..."

BTW, the indicator of a thought that seems to be moving towards truth is a harmony of vibration across our perceptions of it...

Hehe, absolutely correct on the first part. Socrates in fact just by asking these questions would confuse any argument to basically pointing out that we know nothing :). The legent goes that once a man went to oracle and asked if somebody is wiser than socrates... and the oracle answered no... there are none. So the guy tries to prove the oracle wrong and Socrates reduces his logic to confustion... and the man concludes that in fact the Dlphyan oracle was correct... where Socrates knows that he does not know anything, while others make mistake in thinking that they do. Not many people liked Socrates though, and in fact they forced him into suicide later on in life... because he would not back down from the fact that he does not know anything. How ironic. So it is only when you realize that you know nothing... it is only then you are free to begin to percept any truth.

As far as harmony of vibration across our perception... how do you know it's harmony, when in fact many people in the world may feel exactly the same believing quite the opposite of what you do and still feel at harmony? When I look at color red ... I see red, while the other person who is unable to perceive that color does not see red. He sees something different. When you say the word Red, in Russian it's Krasniy, In spanish it is Rojo... and it sounds more along the lines of Russian Rozoviy (pink) than english Red. So who is right? They all describe the same color. If I would make my own language and describe "red" as black... would I be wrong? It's my own language... So how do you know when everything that you know is simply somebody elses interpretation of reality? You did not invent the language... you were taught it. You practically did not invent anything new. You just learn to use it. Same goes for ideas... is it really you speaking or your Father, or your teacher, or Socrates, or Buddha, or David Icke, or all of them at the same time? So if one is wrong, then how do you know the other is right? Logically, if one is wrong then potentially other can be wrong also. How is it you come to conclusion that you are correct in choosing :), and millions on this planet are not? Vibrations? You can't see vibrations, all you can see is a solid wall. It may or may not be. So it is out of ignorance we think that we know anything, while we in fact know nothing. And that's to me is a Socratic paradox... In order to be ignorant you have to know something, while it's ignorant to think that you know anything for sure :). Confused? Now we can search for truth. ;)

[revolution 9]

I thought he was forced to commit suicide because he said the gods were false?

[fccool]

[QUOTE=fccool;95191]I'll resort to the Socratic method here. I think John White will have a ball :)

Question #1: How do you know what you know.

Qusetion #2: How do you know what you know to be truth?

Question #3: How can you prove the above two



Thanx Fccool, but I don't need luck!:D I have had a spiritual experience, so I know there is a "higher power", that has nothing, whatsoever, to do with Churchianity. I use my "god-given" brain to discern, investigate. I have "street-smarts", so it is harder to con me. I can see the FEAR,GUILT AND CONTROL, that is rampant in Churches.

So, you've had a spiritual experience. How do you know that the experience that you've had is a correct one, and the experience of others is not. There are 6.5 billion of experiences in this world, and as we concluded from our previous converstation... these are not good or bad. Then, why does it matter to you if somebody steals your keyboard... it's just another experience for them, based on your view of reality. And that experience is neither good or bad. So why are you so perturbed by it that the memory of it itches your mind every time the subject comes up? If they lie and control it is simply a nutral experience (according to your worldview), so in essence there is no lying or control... because these are just labels that carry a negative connotation. It's just something that we do to pass time and it is neither good nor bad (once again, I deduce it from the logic of absence of good or bad).

[QUOTE]I have researched SRA, for years, and it is rampant in Christian homes. I was involved with the SDA church for around 3 years, so I have personal experience.(A preacher once said that it is not what you feel that matters, but what is in the Bible ,or HIS interpretation of the Bible.) My 4 year old daughter made a huge fuss(screaming and crying) about sitting close to another pastor of the SDA Church, to take a picture. The only other time she did that was with a psychotic aquaintence I had, who was a real sinister dude. That same pastor stole a keyboard that I had while the church was looking after my apartment for a short time. He lived in a big home on the hill, from the $$$$ he coerced from the SDA suckers! So all these little clues give me a picture that IS NOT PRETTY. I have lots of other evidence, also, but I will ask you one question. Can't you see something terribly wrong with a world that is full of religion and is TOTALLY FUCKED???? You have to be blinded/mind-controlled NOT to see it!!!!!!

First of all I'm familiar with SDA and many people concider them to be a cult... although I agree with many of their belief... vegitarianism being one of them... I can now see your vegitarian and vegan tendencies too, so I don't know whether they influenced you or you came to that idea by yourself and joined them because they were vegitarians :). What I've learned about SDA's too is that their pastors do not get paid through congregation... but through their conference which is controlling the distribution of all money, ... so that's when you are full of shit :). I don't have a problem with pastors being paid by VOLUNTARY giving. Your state does the same with Teachers and Doctors, it's nothing sinister in itself. So please don't paint a Bulshit portrain of pastors forcefully extracting money :)... they only extract it from you if you give it to them, and if you did then you are to blaim not them, but I doubt you did.

World is not fucked because of religion. World is fucked because of fucked up people who don't know what they are talking about and think they do. I acknowledge it. But for you it's just an experience which is neutral, so why the does it matter to you eventually? You will gain your state of eternal bliss in death as your spirit lives on ... :)

[fccool]

I thought he was forced to commit suicide because he said the gods were false?

Nop, he was charged with "impiety" (however it is spelled) and the crime of "corrupting the minds of youth". Essencially... he was killed for the same reasons Jesus was killed... making people feel uncomfortable. The difference being of course Socrates drank the poison. :)

[john white]

Hehe, absolutely correct on the first part. Socrates in fact just by asking these questions would confuse any argument to basically pointing out that we know nothing :). The legent goes that once a man went to oracle and asked if somebody is wiser than socrates... and the oracle answered no... there are none. So the guy tries to prove the oracle wrong and Socrates reduces his logic to confustion... and the man concludes that in fact the Dlphyan oracle was correct... where Socrates knows that he does not know anything, while others make mistake in thinking that they do. Not many people liked Socrates though, and in fact they forced him into suicide later on in life... because he would not back down from the fact that he does not know anything. How ironic. So it is only when you realize that you know nothing... it is only then you are free to begin to percept any truth.
.

As far as harmony of vibration across our perception... how do you know it's harmony, when in fact many people in the world may feel exactly the same believing quite the opposite of what you do and still feel at harmony? When I look at color red ... I see red, while the other person who is unable to perceive that color does not see red. He sees something different. When you say the word Red, in Russian it's Krasniy, In spanish it is Rojo... and it sounds more along the lines of Russian Rozoviy (pink) than english Red. So who is right? They all describe the same color. If I would make my own language and describe "red" as black... would I be wrong? It's my own language... So how do you know when everything that you know is simply somebody elses interpretation of reality? You did not invent the language... you were taught it. You practically did not invent anything new. You just learn to use it. Same goes for ideas... is it really you speaking or your Father, or your teacher, or Socrates, or Buddha, or David Icke, or all of them at the same time? So if one is wrong, then how do you know the other is right? Logically, if one is wrong then potentially other can be wrong also. How is it you come to conclusion that you are correct in choosing :), and millions on this planet are not? Vibrations? You can't see vibrations, all you can see is a solid wall. It may or may not be. So it is out of ignorance we think that we know anything, while we in fact know nothing. And that's to me is a Socratic paradox... In order to be ignorant you have to know something, while it's ignorant to think that you know anything for sure :). Confused? Now we can search for truth. ;)

Yeah I know! Its a fruit loop and no mistake

My "answer", for what its worth, is based on pragmatism: one uses left brain reason to consider through each "level" of perception and right brain intuition to feel if those different perceptions balance against each other... the result, pragmatically, is the closest to "harmony" we are likely to get

Not many people liked Socrates though, and in fact they forced him into suicide later on in life... because he would not back down from the fact that he does not know anything. How ironic. So it is only when you realize that you know nothing... it is only then you are free to begin to percept any truth.


Such has always been the lot of spiritual philosophers. The pay is crap and everyone gets pissed off! Strictly speaking, Socrates was the premier 9/11 truther of his day, and he was given the option of exile or suicide becuase of his pesky habit of keeping on telling the young people what a bunch of corrupt buggers the rulers of athens were. He took the poison option in a show of bravado to show that truth was not for compromise: and thus became a legend... so the legend goes...

[fccool]

Yeah I know! Its a fruit loop and no mistake

My "answer", for what its worth, is based on pragmatism: one uses left brain reason to consider through each "level" of perception and right brain intuition to feel if those different perceptions balance against each other... the result, pragmatically, is the closest to "harmony" we are likely to get



Fair Enough for me .

[makemyday]

I couldn't call that thing a belief at all - for me, it includes a little of philosophy and every religion, so it makes a hybrid :D I believe in Jesus, I believe in Mohamed, Buddha etc. It's all about oneness and infinite love - we are all God, no matter how good or bad we are...

PEACE of cake ;):D

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=nickatnoon61;95205][QUOTE=fccool;95191]I'll resort to the Socratic method here. I think John White will have a ball :)

Question #1: How do you know what you know.

Qusetion #2: How do you know what you know to be truth?

Question #3: How can you prove the above two



Thanx Fccool, but I don't need luck!:D I have had a spiritual experience, so I know there is a "higher power", that has nothing, whatsoever, to do with Churchianity. I use my "god-given" brain to discern, investigate. I have "street-smarts", so it is harder to con me. I can see the FEAR,GUILT AND CONTROL, that is rampant in Churches.

So, you've had a spiritual experience. How do you know that the experience that you've had is a correct one, and the experience of others is not. There are 6.5 billion of experiences in this world, and as we concluded from our previous converstation... these are not good or bad. Then, why does it matter to you if somebody steals your keyboard... it's just another experience for them, based on your view of reality. And that experience is neither good or bad. So why are you so perturbed by it that the memory of it itches your mind every time the subject comes up? If they lie and control it is simply a nutral experience (according to your worldview), so in essence there is no lying or control... because these are just labels that carry a negative connotation. It's just something that we do to pass time and it is neither good nor bad (once again, I deduce it from the logic of absence of good or bad).



First of all I'm familiar with SDA and many people concider them to be a cult... although I agree with many of their belief... vegitarianism being one of them... I can now see your vegitarian and vegan tendencies too, so I don't know whether they influenced you or you came to that idea by yourself and joined them because they were vegitarians :). What I've learned about SDA's too is that their pastors do not get paid through congregation... but through their conference which is controlling the distribution of all money, ... so that's when you are full of shit :). I don't have a problem with pastors being paid by VOLUNTARY giving. Your state does the same with Teachers and Doctors, it's nothing sinister in itself. So please don't paint a Bulshit portrain of pastors forcefully extracting money :)... they only extract it from you if you give it to them, and if you did then you are to blaim not them, but I doubt you did.

World is not fucked because of religion. World is fucked because of fucked up people who don't know what they are talking about and think they do. I acknowledge it. But for you it's just an experience which is neutral, so why the does it matter to you eventually? You will gain your state of eternal bliss in death as your spirit lives on ... :)

Fcool,
I said SRA, not SDA. (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and I said coerced, not forced! I have wasted enough time with you! I already know enuff about you, by your disrespectful reply. I am not interested in corresponding with you. If and when you ever wake up, contact me. Bye :) "Amen Ra". Look it up to see what you are worshipping.

[fccool]

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Fcool,
I said SRA, not SDA. (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and I said coerced, not forced! I have wasted enough time with you! I already know enuff about you, by your disrespectful reply. Bye :) "Amen Ra". Look it up to see what you are worshipping.

Coersion is forceful by definition, which I'm sure you are not concerned about.
And trust me, I've looked up and still do, where you stopped thinking that you know anything... which is in effect the pinnacle of ignorance. How fitting of you to bring up the Ellusive and reaching refference to Amen Ra and connecting it to greek work for "truth" or αληθος "Truly" does not help your logic either. If you drink Japanese Sake, it does not mean that you drink Russian urine (saki).

I am not interested in corresponding with you. If and when you ever wake up, contact me.

This trully reveals your motives for being on this board. You are not interested in anything but your version of truth, which IMO is even narrower than the "Christianity" that you critisize so arduously. I feel wide awake, but I guess you have to tell me when I am, o teacher.

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=nickatnoon61;96317][QUOTE=fccool;95380]

Coersion is forceful by definition, which I'm sure you are not concerned about.
And trust me, I've looked up and still do, where you stopped thinking that you know anything... which is in effect the pinnacle of ignorance. How fitting of you to bring up the Ellusive and reaching refference to Amen Ra and connecting it to greek work for "truth" or ?????? "Truly" does not help your logic either. If you drink Japanese Sake, it does not mean that you drink Russian urine (saki).



This trully reveals your motives for being on this board. You are not interested in anything but your version of truth, which IMO is even narrower than the "Christianity" that you critisize so arduously.


"This trully reveals your motives for being on this board."

My "motive" is to find out who, is who, and who to stay away from, to start. I am here to share and learn.What have you brought to the table? What have you taught me so far, except to re-enforce my belief that most Christians are ignorant by definition!? When the JW's or Mor(m)ons come to the door, do you think theylisten or learn anything. They are there to re-iterate their religious programming.Do some mind-control research. Google Billy Graham and MK Ultra to start.

No. Only a fool would feed hay to a dead horse! Did you research anything that I gave you? It's getting to a point where ignorance is no longer bliss! Don't worry, you'll be OK. JC will save you!!:eek: What a joke!!!

[fccool]

[QUOTE=fccool;96415][QUOTE=nickatnoon61;96317]


"This trully reveals your motives for being on this board."

My "motive" is to find out who, is who, and who to stay away from, to start. I am here to share and learn.What have you brought to the table? What have you taught me so far, except to re-enforce my belief that most Christians are ignorant by definition!? When the JW's or Mor(m)ons come to the door, do you think theylisten or learn anything. They are there to re-iterate their religious programming.Do some mind-control research. Google Billy Graham and MK Ultra to start.

No. Only a fool would feed hay to a dead horse! Did you research anything that I gave you? It's getting to a point where ignorance is no longer bliss! Don't worry, you'll be OK. JC will save you!!:eek: What a joke!!!

How are you different from Mormans or JW'S right now in telling me that I'm 100% wrong because I'm a "Christian". I have already shown you that I don't align myself with so called "christians" who wronged you or your friends. I don't even demand you to believe what I do. When of what I perceive as shit is being flown my way, I have ability to "duck and to shield from it". Any reasonable person should be able to voice his opinions logically, and I believe I do. I understand where you are coming from, BUT I don't have to agree, neither you have to agree with me, neither we have to agree with anyone. But what you are doing here is atacking me personally becuase I adhere a certain set of beliefs... labeling me ignorant and telling me that I support murder. I don't promote murder, or control :). What you believe is none of my business. I can ask questions, but I can't force or even expect you to believe the same way. I understand that in the past you've been burned by what I like to call "pretentions christianity", but why are you throwing me in the mix? I don't even know you :), neither you know me. This board is for discussing what we belive and our experiences, and that's what I do. 90% of it is unrelated to christianity. I only touch the subject if someone refers to it, or I am asked to do so... as the original meaning of this thread. I don't post threads like:
" Believe in Jesus or burn in hell... forver..."
or
"Renounce your sins and you will be forgiven..."

That would be ignorant of me. That's not what this board is for, although some use it for exactly the same thing to promulgate their belief systems. So, please... don't get upset if I try to logically argue my view and just don't seem to get yours. You are doing essentially the same thing. All of us have our experiences, and yours is not mine. Life is not worth being spent pissed off at each other. And I'm sorry if in the heat of discussion I touched something that came across offensive to you. That's not my intention. We agree on many things, so let's concentrate on that... instead of doing an impossible task of changing core beliefs that takes years of research to build and expect somebody to digest it in a forum thread. Peace.

[tinmenace]

But what you are doing here is atacking me personally becuase...

Much like you did with other users on this thread, including me. You have to be careful what you dish out FC, you never know when it might come back to bite you in the ass.

Not wanting to get into a tussle with you, but just pointing out the obvious...

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=nickatnoon61;96427][QUOTE=fccool;96415]

How are you different from Mormans or JW'S right now in telling me that I'm 100% wrong because I'm a "Christian". I have already shown you that I don't align myself with so called "christians" who wronged you or your friends. I don't even demand you to believe what I do. When of what I perceive as shit is being flown my way, I have ability to "duck and to shield from it". Any reasonable person should be able to voice his opinions logically, and I believe I do. I understand where you are coming from, BUT I don't have to agree, neither you have to agree with me, neither we have to agree with anyone. But what you are doing here is atacking me personally becuase I adhere a certain set of beliefs... labeling me ignorant and telling me that I support murder. I don't promote murder, or control :). What you believe is none of my business. I can ask questions, but I can't force or even expect you to believe the same way. I understand that in the past you've been burned by what I like to call "pretentions christianity", but why are you throwing me in the mix? I don't even know you :), neither you know me. This board is for discussing what we belive and our experiences, and that's what I do. 90% of it is unrelated to christianity. I only touch the subject if someone refers to it, or I am asked to do so... as the original meaning of this thread. I don't post threads like:
" Believe in Jesus or burn in hell... forver..."
or
"Renounce your sins and you will be forgiven..."

That would be ignorant of me. That's not what this board is for, although some use it for exactly the same thing to promulgate their belief systems. So, please... don't get upset if I try to logically argue my view and just don't seem to get yours. You are doing essentially the same thing. All of us have our experiences, and yours is not mine. Life is not worth being spent pissed off at each other. And I'm sorry if in the heat of discussion I touched something that came across offensive to you. That's not my intention. We agree on many things, so let's concentrate on that... instead of doing an impossible task of changing core beliefs that takes years of research to build and expect somebody to digest it in a forum thread. Peace.
Peace to you too! You think for some reason that the church has done me wrong, or you are just insinuating that. I am just wise to them because I have spent years researching and from my own personal experience.I am an excellent observer, not bragging but a fact! I can see/smell bullshit where others will lap it up!I never tried to convince you of anything! You are defensive because your strict belief system is being challenged! I have been in the church...so I can tell or warn others, that you may go in as a tight end but you will surely come out as a wide receiver!!!! LOL You say I am "attacking " you. Show anything where I attacked you. You see, you have no argument, so you create innuendos and try character assassination, instead. When you support your church you support all of the evil it does also. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???? If you attend rallies to "support our troops" and give them money, you are supporting genocde in Iraq. How is supporting the church any different, when they are a tax-free corporation that is aligned with the same evil government?You don't want to know about it ,otherwise you would look at some of the links I shared.You are on the right forum,tho! You asked me:
How are you different from Mormans or JW'S right now in telling me that I'm 100% wrong because I'm a "Christian".

I never said 100%. You see this is what I am talking about. You twist and squirm when backed in a corner.You have no evidence or argument, so you have to try to destroy the messenger. It is an old trick. Did you know that most Christians would defend their belief system to the death?That is how mind-controlled they are!!!! To answer your question.....

The difference is, I know I have been mind-controlled. They don't, and it seems, neither do you. It's the first step in in the 12 step program.Recognizing there is a problem.

[fccool]

[QUOTE=fccool;96442][QUOTE=nickatnoon61;96427]
Peace to you too! You think for some reason that the church has done me wrong, or you are just insinuating that. I am just wise to them because I have spent years researching and from my own personal experience.I am an excellent observer, not bragging but a fact! I can see/smell bullshit where others will lap it up!I never tried to convince you of anything! You are defensive because your strict belief system is being challenged! I have been in the church...so I can tell or warn others, that you may go in as a tight end but you will surely come out as a wide receiver!!!! LOL You say I am "attacking " you. Show anything where I attacked you. You see, you have no argument, so you create innuendos and try character assassination, instead. When you support your church you support all of the evil it does also. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???? If you attend rallies to "support our troops" and give them money, you are supporting genocde in Iraq. How is supporting the church any different, when they are a tax-free corporation that is aligned with the same evil government?You don't want to know about it ,otherwise you would look at some of the links I shared.You are on the right forum,tho! You asked me:
How are you different from Mormans or JW'S right now in telling me that I'm 100% wrong because I'm a "Christian".

I never said 100%. You see this is what I am talking about. You twist and squirm when backed in a corner.You have no evidence or argument, so you have to try to destroy the messenger. It is an old trick. Did you know that most Christians would defend their belief system to the death?That is how mind-controlled they are!!!! To answer your question.....

The difference is, I know I have been mind-controlled. They don't, and it seems, neither do you. It's the first step in in the 12 step program.Recognizing there is a problem.

I'm going to repeat once again. I don't support any church. I hold a worldview. I have a flexible mind, but I won't believe everything that people are saying. Hahah, backed into a corner. Even when I reach across to shake your hand, you spit on it. That's no way to live.

[nickatnoon61]

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I'm going to repeat once again. I don't support any church. I hold a worldview. I have a flexible mind, but I won't believe everything that people are saying. Hahah, backed into a corner. Even when I reach across to shake your hand, you spit on it. That's no way to live.



No need to be dramatic. Just own up to what you have done. Read the posts.So you are a Christian but you don't attend church or Bible studies, or social gatherings??? Sounds like BS to me! Trying to make me out as the bad guy, will not work either. Anyone who reads these posts back and forth can see what is happening. I have nothing against you. You are probably a decent person, but when you debate, stick to the issue, if you have an argument, put it out there for all to see. That is what I have done,no? Now after all this, you have not investigated anything I have said. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT!!!!

[fccool]

[QUOTE=fccool;96482][QUOTE=nickatnoon61;96463]



No need to be dramatic. Just own up to what you have done. Read the posts.So you are a Christian but you don't attend church or Bible studies, or social gatherings??? Sounds like BS to me! Trying to make me out as the bad guy, will not work either. Anyone who reads these posts back and forth can see what is happening. I have nothing against you. You are probably a decent person, but when you debate, stick to the issue, if you have an argument, put it out there for all to see. That is what I have done,no? Now after all this, you have not investigated anything I have said. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT!!!!

I thought I did, but I am jumping from thread to thread, so perhaps I've missed something.

The original question of the thread was... If you are "Christian", then check yes, if not check no. I did, but I explained that I'm not your typical church going, halleluya screaming, over the head with Bible beating one.

1) I believe in a being that created us
2) I believe that he came to earth in human form of Yeshua (or Jesus) to set an example for moral living.

I have no dillusions about me being possibly wrong. I don't support the state, in fact I oppose it. I believe every human being has do decide for himself and make his own choices. I don't support killing, but I believe that it is an individual freedom of choice which is paramount... in fact I respect his choice to kick somebody else's ass, but I respect other people's choice to kick his ass in return. In that respect people can be self governed ... as they were created to be. It is when they stop caring and let people make decisions for them... the problem of control and deception arises.

I will be the first in line to expose pedofile/abusing religious clerics. But I believe, that the problem in this world is not with religion, but with people... Religion without people is just an empty idea.

BUT as you have asserted that by aligning myself with some of the Christian beliefs I in fact support the brutality and control that is being perpetrated by these groups. Correct me is I'm wrong.

To which I replied: I don't support them. Just because I hold to belief that intelligent being created universe and life, does not mean I support the belief of one person killing another to enforce that belief. I showed you an example of knives killing people is ludicrous, which you've dismissed as irrelevantwithout any logical explanation. Why?

Eventually you doubt that somebody can hold christian worldview outside of control of the church :). I understand how it may seem impossible to you, but I do not think that the people that you are talking about understand what they believe. Notice ... I DON'T DEFEND a religion here. I defend a worldview. I don't go through rituals anymore than you do. But I CHOOSE to view the world from a slightly different perspective that makes sence to me. So I appologize once again If I seemed irrational or provided insufficient information for you to deduce my above stated beliefs.

[revolution 9]

No need to be dramatic. Just own up to what you have done. Read the posts.So you are a Christian but you don't attend church or Bible studies, or social gatherings??? Sounds like BS to me! Trying to make me out as the bad guy, will not work either. Anyone who reads these posts back and forth can see what is happening. I have nothing against you. You are probably a decent person, but when you debate, stick to the issue, if you have an argument, put it out there for all to see. That is what I have done,no? Now after all this, you have not investigated anything I have said. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/kemeticpoet/kitten-pile.jpg

[nickatnoon61]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/kemeticpoet/kitten-pile.jpg

Yes Rev. I could use some "pussy"!!!:D How did u know?????:eek:

[herebynightfall]

This thread has gone on for too long.

Why blabber about that cradle to grave falsehood called cult religion.

[revolution 9]

Something to do.

[auron]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/kemeticpoet/kitten-pile.jpg
Nice Picture! :D

[nickatnoon61]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/kemeticpoet/kitten-pile.jpg
Nice Picture! :D

Yeah Auron, cute eh??? I am going to my bro's farm this week. They have retriever pups (3 weeks) and new kittens also. I have a furball cat, also. She is my buddy!!!

[revolution 9]

We went from arguing about religion to discussion kittens and puppies. See? If only our leaders could do that. Ah well.

[fccool]

I'm a cat lover too. I'm getting one (or maybe two) soon. But unfortunatly in US they charge you extra $40 per month in my case to own one.

[nickatnoon61]

I'm a cat lover too. I'm getting one (or maybe two) soon. But unfortunatly in US they charge you extra $40 per month in my case to own one.

WTF???Whats that, FC, a pussy surcharge???:eek:(new tax):eek: Cats are so neat because they "play hard to get" You have to respect that eh?:D

[fccool]

WTF???Whats that, FC, a pussy surcharge???:eek:(new tax):eek: Cats are so neat because they "play hard to get" You have to respect that eh?:D

Yes, I refuse to fall into the mortgage trap right now... so I rent... and catually save up quite a bit of money that way. But unfortunatly the charge for pets is annoying. Yep, you right about cats. The dogs... you have to babysit. Cats are independent. Just give them some food and water, and they are happy.

[nickatnoon61]

Yes, I refuse to fall into the mortgage trap right now... so I rent... and catually save up quite a bit of money that way. But unfortunatly the charge for pets is annoying. Yep, you right about cats. The dogs... you have to babysit. Cats are independent. Just give them some food and water, and they are happy.

OK, you mean the rents are higher with pets......:( I live in a house with a large yard, and I may get a small dog after i finish school next year. I won't get a dog unless he is well taken care of .:)