Hilarious confrontation.

[chris]

Mr Bloomberg who tried to rid New York of cameras gets owned by the first amendmant.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7442487916618413779&hl=en


Write good comments about that policeman at the end...He really did his job.

[shodan]

Oh man, that was so brilliant, thanks for posting. That cop at the end is a f*ing hero.:D

[sean~infinte]

ahaha kudos to the guy with the camera kept it up ha

that guy was a good cop you could see he was fairly open and reasonable

[pumma]

Thanks chris nice video. People just need to sit down and listen... :)

The police-man did what I expected form a sane human being :cool:

[william_mac]

I've seen this kid getting a lot of attention for his videos, but to me, he's just a fucking punk and nothing more. He's not doing anything important. Since when is our persuit of peace and of truth nothing more than a persuit of controversy?

There are a million different ways that are much better to go about interviewing a man like that. I don't care who you are, the first act of a human being, especially a journalist, before asking important questions and seeking truthful answers is to approach the situation without any pre-conceived bias or malice.

That punk ass little son of a bitch walked right up intending to attack the guy. I don't care how corrupt and evil the man is; that kid didn't have to do it that way. He caused a whole bunch of commotion, and did nothing for anybody except post the video up on the internet for more young impressionable kids to be mislead into thinking that blatant guerilla styled journalistic attacks are going to cause any kind of change in politics and in America.

Speak the truth, and by all means televise it, but do it with knowledge, understanding, and healthy balance. Try to get to the bottom of bad policies and vetoed acts in congress by interviewing the politicians candidly on the street setting, but be a gentleman, not some punk kid. A gentleman's approach warrents a kind response from even the most uncarring individual.

I've talked to people and gotten answers when NOBODY else was able to, because I understand that just like more can be done in peace than war, more can be done through kindness and initial un-bias. It's in the way you stand, walk, speak, phrase questions, and come across to people that gets you the good responses. Be as sly as a snake, and as gentle as a dove.

So, in conclusion, I think that punk kid shit get his ass beat, if I were to talk like that around here then I sure as hell would be floored with a broken nose in the time it took him to get down the subway stairs. Plus, New York City people are weeeiiirrddd.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[cruise4]

Another good job by Luke! Decent Cop... hope he does spread it around.

william mac, I would bet good money that Kid, as you call him, has done more for humanity already, than you 'ever' will. I hope you prove me wrong but your comment is disgusting.

I'd take him representing the quest for truth over you anyday! Its talking to these creeps and trying to stay within the system thats got us to this point!

If it was down to me we'd be blowing their heads off! They are culpable in the murder of millions!

[chris]

To be gentlemanly to Bloomberg is to kick him in the balls. We have tried to be reasonable but they use that against us. Imagine if while you were videoing one of your video's someone comes up to you, steals your camera, steals what little money you have and then locks you up in his attic for a few months. This is what that Bloomberg is forcing upon New Yorkers and if we give in to him we will loose a major weapon (our cameras)...We absolutely need our right to film.

[intuition]

Good video.As usual they get no answers.

[intuition]

I just heard him say that 25% of people were still missing from 9/11, thats sick.r.i.p.

[cheeb]

I've seen this kid getting a lot of attention for his videos, but to me, he's just a fucking punk and nothing more. He's not doing anything important. Since when is our persuit of peace and of truth nothing more than a persuit of controversy?

There are a million different ways that are much better to go about interviewing a man like that. I don't care who you are, the first act of a human being, especially a journalist, before asking important questions and seeking truthful answers is to approach the situation without any pre-conceived bias or malice.

That punk ass little son of a bitch walked right up intending to attack the guy. I don't care how corrupt and evil the man is; that kid didn't have to do it that way. He caused a whole bunch of commotion, and did nothing for anybody except post the video up on the internet for more young impressionable kids to be mislead into thinking that blatant guerilla styled journalistic attacks are going to cause any kind of change in politics and in America.

Speak the truth, and by all means televise it, but do it with knowledge, understanding, and healthy balance. Try to get to the bottom of bad policies and vetoed acts in congress by interviewing the politicians candidly on the street setting, but be a gentleman, not some punk kid. A gentleman's approach warrents a kind response from even the most uncarring individual.

I've talked to people and gotten answers when NOBODY else was able to, because I understand that just like more can be done in peace than war, more can be done through kindness and initial un-bias. It's in the way you stand, walk, speak, phrase questions, and come across to people that gets you the good responses. Be as sly as a snake, and as gentle as a dove.

So, in conclusion, I think that punk kid shit get his ass beat, if I were to talk like that around here then I sure as hell would be floored with a broken nose in the time it took him to get down the subway stairs. Plus, New York City people are weeeiiirrddd.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

I am actually a big fan of geurilla journalism.
Robin Cook and Dennis Pennis are brilliant,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0PhLLz9TVM

[dondaz]

Great movie Chris, I take my hat off to Luke and his mates for having the balls to stand up and speak out against these rats, to their faces.

We need more people like this.

How many people on this forum have the courage to do this?

Some people will be put off by this, many will applaud them. Different strokes for different folks.

It worked for me.

I want that cop to work in my street!;)

Who is willing to join me on a tour of the UK getting these polititions exposed?

Any takers?

[chris]

I am actually a big fan of geurilla journalism.
Robin Cook and Dennis Pennis are brilliant,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0PhLLz9TVM

The cook report owned....I used to watch that when I was like 12. That was when I would never watch any other types of news. I guess real news is very interesting even for youngens. Cook didn't go for any major criminals though...

[dark86]

top class vid. unreal how ppl who server the ppl wont listen to the ppl - its just all so fucked up.

[dondaz]

I am actually a big fan of geurilla journalism.
Robin Cook and Dennis Pennis are brilliant,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0PhLLz9TVM (http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0PhLLz9TVM)


Imagine Pennis as a truth seeker, fighting the new world order.:eek:

I wouldn't have him in my film crew!

[dark86]

"lady one question" would b worse than dennis pennice.

cant remember what tv show she was from - not seen tv in a while :cool:

[cleft_asunder]

I've seen this kid getting a lot of attention for his videos, but to me, he's just a fucking punk and nothing more. He's not doing anything important. Since when is our persuit of peace and of truth nothing more than a persuit of controversy?

There are a million different ways that are much better to go about interviewing a man like that. I don't care who you are, the first act of a human being, especially a journalist, before asking important questions and seeking truthful answers is to approach the situation without any pre-conceived bias or malice.

That punk ass little son of a bitch walked right up intending to attack the guy. I don't care how corrupt and evil the man is; that kid didn't have to do it that way. He caused a whole bunch of commotion, and did nothing for anybody except post the video up on the internet for more young impressionable kids to be mislead into thinking that blatant guerilla styled journalistic attacks are going to cause any kind of change in politics and in America.

Speak the truth, and by all means televise it, but do it with knowledge, understanding, and healthy balance. Try to get to the bottom of bad policies and vetoed acts in congress by interviewing the politicians candidly on the street setting, but be a gentleman, not some punk kid. A gentleman's approach warrents a kind response from even the most uncarring individual.

I've talked to people and gotten answers when NOBODY else was able to, because I understand that just like more can be done in peace than war, more can be done through kindness and initial un-bias. It's in the way you stand, walk, speak, phrase questions, and come across to people that gets you the good responses. Be as sly as a snake, and as gentle as a dove.

So, in conclusion, I think that punk kid shit get his ass beat, if I were to talk like that around here then I sure as hell would be floored with a broken nose in the time it took him to get down the subway stairs. Plus, New York City people are weeeiiirrddd.



-William
www.William-Mac.com


You're right, I agree completely. In fact, I think I wake more people up by just wearing my 9/11 shirt.

[nickatnoon61]

I've seen this kid getting a lot of attention for his videos, but to me, he's just a fucking punk and nothing more. He's not doing anything important. Since when is our persuit of peace and of truth nothing more than a persuit of controversy?

There are a million different ways that are much better to go about interviewing a man like that. I don't care who you are, the first act of a human being, especially a journalist, before asking important questions and seeking truthful answers is to approach the situation without any pre-conceived bias or malice.

That punk ass little son of a bitch walked right up intending to attack the guy. I don't care how corrupt and evil the man is; that kid didn't have to do it that way. He caused a whole bunch of commotion, and did nothing for anybody except post the video up on the internet for more young impressionable kids to be mislead into thinking that blatant guerilla styled journalistic attacks are going to cause any kind of change in politics and in America.

Speak the truth, and by all means televise it, but do it with knowledge, understanding, and healthy balance. Try to get to the bottom of bad policies and vetoed acts in congress by interviewing the politicians candidly on the street setting, but be a gentleman, not some punk kid. A gentleman's approach warrents a kind response from even the most uncarring individual.

I've talked to people and gotten answers when NOBODY else was able to, because I understand that just like more can be done in peace than war, more can be done through kindness and initial un-bias. It's in the way you stand, walk, speak, phrase questions, and come across to people that gets you the good responses. Be as sly as a snake, and as gentle as a dove.

So, in conclusion, I think that punk kid shit get his ass beat, if I were to talk like that around here then I sure as hell would be floored with a broken nose in the time it took him to get down the subway stairs. Plus, New York City people are weeeiiirrddd.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

William, at least that "punk-ass kid" as you call him, has the balls to "take it to the streets", instead of sitting on his apathetic ass, like most of us! Don't judge by his "bedside manner", but by the results! In Jew York, most people seem to have that "edge" about them! Just maybe, now, there is ONE less cop for the NWO!!!!

[cheeb]

Imagine Pennis as a truth seeker, fighting the new world order.:eek:

I wouldn't have him in my film crew!

he morphed into :Alex Jones!!!
:rolleyes:

He had the balls ,
Though

[william_mac]

Another good job by Luke! Decent Cop... hope he does spread it around.

william mac, I would bet good money that Kid, as you call him, has done more for humanity already, than you 'ever' will. I hope you prove me wrong but your comment is disgusting.

I'd take him representing the quest for truth over you anyday! Its talking to these creeps and trying to stay within the system thats got us to this point!

If it was down to me we'd be blowing their heads off! They are culpable in the murder of millions!


I am doing more than that kid. I'm doing much, much more. I'll be interviewing a man named Paul Douglas Hale, who was a 2006 Independent Candidate for Georgia Governor; the interview will take place on Sunday (and I will be posting the video and article up here when I'm finished, I'm very excited) who was arrested and tortured in a local jail. He now has permanent damage to many parts of his body.

Mr. Hale was served arrest warrants by a Cobb County Defense Attorney and arrested by a Cobb County sheriff whom Mr. Hale published scathing criticism towards. This man had 5 on-line publishing sites and was considered a prominent citizen. He wrote a 15-page report citing the same DA and Sheriff that arrested him (before he was arrested) as having allowed a convicted fellon in the infamous 1970s -- 1980s Atlanta Child Murders to be a parameditc. In addition, another child sex offender who is equally disgusting was made a fireman.

After Hale released this report his dog was shot with a shotgun and the sheriff left a note on his door warning him. He continued on. This is just some information from a press release that I came across randomly that was released by the Cobb County Courts, but only on some obscure indy news websites. When I looked for information about Mr. Hale, there was none.

I figured he had a media blackout put on him. Since that time I have been able to, through digging and interviewing and being a GENTLEMAN to the same people that tortured the man, to obtain Paul Douglas Hale's phone number. I will be interviewing him about his torture, Paul is also inviting me to his house to give me complete access to all of his documents and voice recordings that prove he's right.

In addition, I've rallied support on behalf of numerous non-profit organizations to back me on this, and I will be beginning a campaign. One of the organisations has lobbyist up in Washington right now (The Passport at www.ThePassport.org an orginisation trying to stop sex slavery).

I'm not trying to ring my own bell here, I'm showing YOU that I'm not going around like a dumb punk kid and putting up ridiculous videos on the internet thinking that I'm causing some kind of positive change. That kid is NOTHING. He has no tact, he has no class, he doesn't think things through, and he will never make for a good journalist.

You tell me I'm not doing things? If I'm not doing anything then I want to know why black sedans have been hanging outsite of my neighborhood since I got myself into this mess. I dug deep to get a story, and I've already began proving that the FBI has been aiding in drug operations in Savannah, and has arrested and put on death row several innocent people to cover their tracks.

Don't tell me I'm not doing anything. This shit goes all the way up to Bush, seeing as how Mr. Hale was rallying for his impeachment. The fact is that I am doing a hell of a lot more, and if you don't believe me then you can wait for the video and article next week that is going to kick this whole shit storm into full gear.

I'm a 21-year-old high school drop out. I've taught myself everything, I make money writing and doing illustrations. I've, within less than a month of having my political blog up, been able to dig into the slimy underbelly of the government and gain access to some of the most powerful politicians on the East Coast United States. What has this kid done? Absolutely nothing. He ran up to a politician like a dumbass, yelled at him for 15 minutes with no tact, and then argued with the police about his rights. He whined and moaned like a little baby that he doesn't like what that guy is doing.

Well, teaching other people that complaining and shooting a ridiculous video is going to enact change is fucking ridiculous. Don't insult me, please.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

To be gentlemanly to Bloomberg is to kick him in the balls. We have tried to be reasonable but they use that against us. Imagine if while you were videoing one of your video's someone comes up to you, steals your camera, steals what little money you have and then locks you up in his attic for a few months. This is what that Bloomberg is forcing upon New Yorkers and if we give in to him we will loose a major weapon (our cameras)...We absolutely need our right to film.

I understand that, but acting like an idiot isn't going to solve anything. Nothing about this kid is commendable. He's inciting confrontation. He could be using a lot more tact if he had a fucking brain. Give me a break.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

William, at least that "punk-ass kid" as you call him, has the balls to "take it to the streets", instead of sitting on his apathetic ass, like most of us! Don't judge by his "bedside manner", but by the results! In Jew York, most people seem to have that "edge" about them! Just maybe, now, there is ONE less cop for the NWO!!!!

The "balls to take it to the streets" eh? Yeah, he may have "balls", but that's all he's using to think with as well. This is a joke, do not support or cheer on this kind of behaviour. If there is anything worth doing, it's worth doing RIGHT.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[mikeproteau]

your fucking sad dude, your jelous that noone knows who the fuck you are like they know who luke is, your trying to be all scolarly and smart like your soooo above all of us. you've done fuck all. Luke TRIED to get a meeting with the mayor and hasnt been able to so he HAS to do it this way, all your going after are the ones that are easy by licking the boots of the masters you claim to be rallying against. we have to let these guys know how we REALLY feel so at least they will be scared instead of laughing and smiling...havent you noticed how these people are acting latley? they are faaar less arrogant and there are alot more awake people now because of luke. FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE UPTIGHT BLOGGING WANNABE PROFESSIONAL FAKE


PS. your website is boring and lame and you copied mark dices "mainfesto"

[cruise4]

Well I'm glad you are doing things william mac, but there is no reason to knock Luke as you did. That kid is a hero and has reached 100,000's. He's out on the streets without fail, holds down two jobs and pays his own way through college, as far as I know. He started WeAreChange.org and produces a daily stream of videos lately. He directly confronts people with the consequences of their actions and they do not like it, and I disagree with you... this is just the tip of the iceberg on whats needed. The more youth that he's an example to, the better. The system needs 'ripping' apart, not a bit of nudging here and there.

But both of you are currently doing more than me, so ultimately I salute you both. Horses for Courses.

[nickatnoon61]

your fucking sad dude, your jelous that noone knows who the fuck you are like they know who luke is, your trying to be all scolarly and smart like your soooo above all of us. you've done fuck all. Luke TRIED to get a meeting with the mayor and hasnt been able to so he HAS to do it this way, all your going after are the ones that are easy by licking the boots of the masters you claim to be rallying against. we have to let these guys know how we REALLY feel so at least they will be scared instead of laughing and smiling...havent you noticed how these people are acting latley? they are faaar less arrogant and there are alot more awake people now because of luke. FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE UPTIGHT BLOGGING WANNABE PROFESSIONAL FAKE

Thanx Mike, i thought the kid was very diplomatic, esp. with the cop at the end. If you show respect(not to be confused with FEAR) for reasonable people, 9 times out of 10 they will show respect back! It is common sense. I am not sure what WM's agenda is,but these are the times when we cannot give any more benefit of the doubt to these cockroaches! It is time to act, before it is too late!

[william_mac]

your fucking sad dude, your jelous that noone knows who the fuck you are like they know who luke is, your trying to be all scolarly and smart like your soooo above all of us. you've done fuck all. Luke TRIED to get a meeting with the mayor and hasnt been able to so he HAS to do it this way, all your going after are the ones that are easy by licking the boots of the masters you claim to be rallying against. we have to let these guys know how we REALLY feel so at least they will be scared instead of laughing and smiling...havent you noticed how these people are acting latley? they are faaar less arrogant and there are alot more awake people now because of luke. FUCK OFF YOU LITTLE UPTIGHT BLOGGING WANNABE PROFESSIONAL FAKE


PS. your website is boring and lame and you copied mark dices "mainfesto"

I don't even know who Mark Dice is. There is no reason for you to so insanely insult me. I never insinuated that I was above anybody. However, the fact is that what this is kid is doing is completely ineffective. People can "wake up" all they want, but if they want to repair a corrupt system, it doesn't make much sense to shatter it, now does it?

Why don't you go and read up a little on the history of various political ideologies, history shows that what this kid is doing will not work. The fact that me pointing out his stupidity arouses such anger in people like you is just another extremely sad example that this radical and ineffective ideology is running rampant among people who have a good grasp of the "truth", but would rather use force rather than critical thinking in order get out their views.

As far as why Luke isn't able to get a meeting with the Mayor? Uh...maybe that's because he acts like a dumbass punk kid. Have you considered that? Who wants to talk to a little chattering monkey like that. No one, especially not a politician.

Don't you dare tell me that I'm a boot-licking fake, or in your fucked up words "wannabe professional fake", I'm certainly not attempting to aspire to be a "professional fake". You think I'm going around licking boots, but I'm raising money to aid sex trafficking victims, to educate people about the real government corruption going on, the actual corruption happening in our home towns by our local politicians. I have gained access, as I stated before, to these politicians and many victems of torture on the part of the politicians because I used my BRAIN to figure out a way to screw over the evil ones and elevate the afflicted.

As far as you're concerned? Before you attempt to argue or lash out at someone, like you so adamantly did towards me, you need to first learn how to spell, then learn how to form your words to where they make sense in a sentence, and if you can somehow get to that point you then need to know who you're fucking dealing with.

Don't demean me, and discredit me in such a childish manor, you'll only end up insulting yourself. Your response is a prime example of the problems being caused by these nonsense "truth" movements, the likes of which are nothing more than children playing with toys.

Get educated.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[dondaz]

Mark Dice (John Conner) The Resistance Manifesto:

http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

This guy knows how to get the message out to people.

Shit, if some of you don't like the way Luke is, you're gonna fucking hate me when you see some of my stuff.

He he he:D

[william_mac]

Well I'm glad you are doing things william mac, but there is no reason to knock Luke as you did. That kid is a hero and has reached 100,000's. He's out on the streets without fail, holds down two jobs and pays his own way through college, as far as I know. He started WeAreChange.org and produces a daily stream of videos lately. He directly confronts people with the consequences of their actions and they do not like it, and I disagree with you... this is just the tip of the iceberg on whats needed. The more youth that he's an example to, the better. The system needs 'ripping' apart, not a bit of nudging here and there.

But both of you are currently doing more than me, so ultimately I salute you both. Horses for Courses.

You seem a civil person, so I'll respond accordingly (thank god you're civil). It worries me that this kid has reached 100,000's, it worries me because, as you said, he believes (as well as many of his fans do) that the system needs "ripping apart, not a bit of nudging here and there." That is completely wrong.

The worst thing we can do is to rip the system apart. The system in America is good, it's a good system. However, just because a number of corrupt politicians and corporate moguls have figured out a way to fool the people, and control the system in complete manipulation is more of a reason to TAKE BACK the system, not rip it apart.

How do we take back the system? We use it. Yet, here are people like this thinking that they're going to be affective. That person is NOT using the system, he's trying to tear the system apart. What does he expect to replace it with?

The solution is to use the system, and take it back. If we, as Americans, are perturbed as to the amount of power the government has over us through this system, then it's only because we are the ones that relequished control of that same system. We're the ones to blame here.

That kid going up to politicians is not going to feed a starving family, it is not going to put the public school system back into the hands of local government, it is not going to solve our debt problems, it is not going to get rid of the CIA and FBI drug trades, it is not going to get rid of rampant sex trafficking of little girls in boys in the United States, it is not going to fix corrupt police forces, it is not going to heal my friend Paul Douglas Hail's permanent damages brought about by torture, and it certainly is not going to prevent further torture.

While we're fearing the system, a system that was created by the founding fathers, is it going to do us any better to put the politicians (even the most corrupt) into a fearful haze as to a possible militant revolt of the people? I think the wisest thing we can do is use the system, remain educated, and take back control of the system. In addition, we should expose corruption and tell people about corruption, but not attack it with on-the-street allegations in which no tangible and indisputable evidence can be found.

How about we go on air, and on record, during televised visits of these politicians and throw their words back in their faces? Like Mike Ruppert did. How about we use the our court systems to screw over the corrupt courts?

While this kid is out there filming people on the streets, and while his viewers are cheering him on, another bill taking away our civil liberties is passed in congress, a bill that people could have voted on, but it goes unnoticed; why? Because we're too busy bickering, complaining, arguing, and attacking, that we aren't just doing what really matters, which is preventing the problems before they happen. Yet, all we do is complain when they do happen, but most of the times you'll have discovered, by going back in time a little bit, that while you were cussing over the "big news" that day, you were fucked over on another front.

This kid is aiding in the problem. He's not going to be effective, no matter how commendable his actions may be in theory, nothing he does will be effective against the government. History shows us that.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[william_mac]

Thanx Mike, i thought the kid was very diplomatic, esp. with the cop at the end. If you show respect(not to be confused with FEAR) for reasonable people, 9 times out of 10 they will show respect back! It is common sense. I am not sure what WM's agenda is,but these are the times when we cannot give any more benefit of the doubt to these cockroaches! It is time to act, before it is too late!

He didn't show respect. It was the policeman who was trying to understand the kid, and eventually everyone calmed down enough to get their thoughts out in a reasonable order, in which case the kid's views proved useful. Well, if he had done that to begin with, think of how much farther he would have gone!



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[cruise4]

"fearful haze as to a possible militant revolt of the people"... I see a purpose in this. There are an awful lot of people giving sustenance to the crimes being perpetrated, and having this pointed out to them in blunt terms may be the final push they need to take stock of their lives and change direction. The Politicians, Corporations, many Congressmen, Senators and Governors etc. I think are essentially a lost cause.

I've been reading about Free energy lately. This is a total scandal. using Oil hasn't been necessary for decades as far as I can tell. You can heat, cook, drive and obtain electricity from next to nothing. Possibly nothing. (there are working examples being built by truthers and others currently, this isn't just idle speculation).

Because of the way the Federal Reserve has been set up, there will be no other choice than re-building the monetary system from scratch and an awful lot of reclaiming stolen goods and property will need to take place. The current Rich have to lose everything, on the whole. Its ill gotten gains.

The Stock Market, debt, Industry, Food Production... its all a sham because of the Fed. Big Pharma, Education, Patents, Land Ownership, the media... all this has GOT to be changed because its all based on fraud at this point.

The political system has shown itself to be flawed, deeply so. It HAS to be changed so this can never happen again. This will have to be discussed, but I like a broad based Meritocracy myself.

Without the Problem Reaction Soluton mentality thats been going on the Military structure, Civil Structure, Internal Security, the NSA, NASA, many services... could probably go. its all based on fundamental criminal activity.

The courts, lawyers, accountants, the Gaols, the criminals, the poor, the ill, immigration issues... its all a set up. Most of it wouldn't exist as a problem without this NWO, or ilk, interference thats been going on for maybe hundreds of years.

The US Constitution does appear to be quite a decent document.

So I think we will have to agree to disagree here, william mac. I believe we both want an end to the injustice, but I have a very different perception of the 'scale of the problem'. There can hopefully be a swift but controlled change, but if not it has to come crashing down. We are looking at a new world.

[william_mac]

"fearful haze as to a possible militant revolt of the people"... I see a purpose in this. There are an awful lot of people giving sustenance to the crimes being perpetrated, and having this pointed out to them in blunt terms may be the final push they need to take stock of their lives and change direction. The Politicians, Corporations, many Congressmen, Senators and Governors etc. I think are essentially a lost cause.

I've been reading about Free energy lately. This is a total scandal. using Oil hasn't been necessary for decades as far as I can tell. You can heat, cook, drive and obtain electricity from next to nothing. Possibly nothing. (there are working examples being built by truthers and others currently, this isn't just idle speculation).

Because of the way the Federal Reserve has been set up, there will be no other choice than re-building the monetary system from scratch and an awful lot of reclaiming stolen goods and property will need to take place. The current Rich have to lose everything, on the whole. Its ill gotten gains.

The Stock Market, debt, Industry, Food Production... its all a sham because of the Fed. Big Pharma, Education, Patents, Land Ownership, the media... all this has GOT to be changed because its all based on fraud at this point.

The political system has shown itself to be flawed, deeply so. It HAS to be changed so this can never happen again. This will have to be discussed, but I like a broad based Meritocracy myself.

Without the Problem Reaction Soluton mentality thats been going on the Military structure, Civil Structure, Internal Security, the NSA, NASA, many services... could probably go. its all based on fundamental criminal activity.

The courts, lawyers, accountants, the Gaols, the criminals, the poor, the ill, immigration issues... its all a set up. Most of it wouldn't exist as a problem without this NWO, or ilk, interference thats been going on for maybe hundreds of years.

The US Constitution does appear to be quite a decent document.

So I think we will have to agree to disagree here, william mac. I believe we both want an end to the injustice, but I have a very different perception of the 'scale of the problem'. There can hopefully be a swift but controlled change, but if not it has to come crashing down. We are looking at a new world.

Right, but you can change every single one of those things through the system itself. I'm talking about the original system of voting, going through laws...etc.

For example, you want to use free energy? Well, at current, neighborhoods require people to use the federally appointed system of having to remain under strict guidlines. We have to use THEIR energy if we're going to live in a neighborhood in a city, in a county, in a state, which is in the U.S. So, how do we change it? Do we run up to the politicians with a camera or encourage people to boycott? Nah, we just raise support for the cause.

If I currently had at my immediate disposal the funds, then I would simply provide the information of free energy to everyone. I would then tell them how they could obtain free energy, and then tell them how they can get away with doing it even though their local laws (which are actually federal) prohibit them from using any other energy source contrary to the energy provided by the city itself.

However, I don't have this at my immediate disposal... so, what do I do? First I begin a grassroots campaign on the internet, I raise support and donated funds to the point where I can pass out the information. Then, once people have the information, and more and more people accept the idea, then we petition against our local (federal) government restrictions with the undisputable majority backing that has been established. In turn, the news spreads, in fact the entire nation will get turned on to the idea. So, then we come together with other small groups who have been attempting to provide free energy for a long time and we put pressure on congress to change the restrictons according to what the majority will of the people is.

Basically, in all of the situations you mentioned, people can simply use our system to get what the majority wants. First people must be notified, because they really just don't know, and then the people must be shown that it is possible, and then people must vote and put pressure on congress. Watchdog groups must be established to make sure that nothing is going awry in the process...etc.

It all comes down to the people acting, and not jabbering. All of these situations can be changed, and they can be changed through our American system of government.

Running around with a camera and accusing the corrupt politicians of what they already know is not going to solve a goddamned thing. There needs to be a bit more planning, indeed there needs to be a bit more work. Most people know how screwed up shit is, the problem is that they don't know how to change it so they don't try. And if they begin thinking that the only way to change these problems for the better is to go around yelling really loudly out in the streets in order to voice their disdain, then still nothing is going to change.

We can be forceful, and instill fear the government by not only knowing the problems, but willingly going out and doing something about it. But we don't, and what this kid is doing is not helping at all. What this kid is doing is just ineffective. It looks like he's taking action towards something, but really he's just encouraging people to forget that they already have the ability to change the system from within.

I will only agree with what this kid is doing when it becomes evident that we're complete slaves. However, we may be getting to that point, but we're not there yet, and one way to prevent this continuous spiral towards an abolition of all our rights is to start preventing any more from being taken away, and then to slowly gain back our voice and overwhelming control of the systems and the governments.

If, for example, I went up to President Bush right now and yelled at him for updating the FISA act, or any one of the people in congress that voted for it, then they wouldn't give me the time of day. Likewise, interviewing the people isn't going to change anything either. However, if we had simply recognized that the Gonzales hearings were nothing more than a distraction, and paid attention to the news, we would have heard beforehand that Bush was urging congress to update the bill regardless. Then we could have scampered to call in, send e-mails, get petitions signed, and raise awareness with each other, and deafeted the bill.

As far as that is concerned? My hands are clean. I blogged about the fact that Bush was going to update the FISA bill about a week and a half before congress voted full force for it. I also sent in letters and made phone calls voicing my position. However, when it was passed for a 6 month trial, I begin seeing all of the angry people "Bush is taking away our rights!" and "we need to impeach him!" and all this shit. And I'm sitting there thinking "if they had just paid attention, then they would have known".

The problem is that not enough of us are acting. We're blogging, discussing, and yelling at the politicians, but every time a right gets taken away, we need to look to ourselves to blame. We were probably too busy gibbering and getting angry to see what was being planned, and announced right under our noses.

I blogged about that FISA update, I encouraged people to go there. However, my blog is new and I'm still trying to gain traffic. That didn't stop me from calling friends and family. However, not many other people do this, they just want to get pissed. These are just the MINIMUM things that people could do, that if everyone did them, would help exponentially. Other people may want to go further, but everyone can do the minimum. The problem is, no one is doing it.

And if you're thinking that perhaps the people's votes wouldn't change anything, think again. Just a few months ago I witnessed the Immigration bill that was trying to be passed entirely stymied in congress when, for the first time in my life, I saw the phone lines and servers of congress tied up so badly with phone calls opposing the bill, that they actually shut down. Then I witnessed all of the people that were supporting the bill quickly change their minds. This was such a great thing to see, it was us using the system the way it's supposed to be used. Now, if we just did that everyday.

Do you see my point? This kid may have a really good mindset behind what he does, and I don't doubt it, but he isn't helping. I don't care whether or not he tried to get answers from the politician, he didn't need answers, he already knew what was going on with the guy. Why doesn't he just tell people about that corrupt politician, and then encourage people to vote against what he does. He could be aiding people a lot more by spending his time keeping tabs on the "behind the scenes" bills and legislations that are trying to be passed, and then alerting people about them before congress votes so that they can be stymied and struck down. That would be a much more constructive and useful way to inform the people and create change.

We think the politicians are to blame. Well, in part that's true, they lie, they cheat, they hide, and the media supports them. However, if we dig deep enough and make sure we spend the extra time and work each day, or at least find reliable sources that point these things out ahead of time, then we can stop these politicians from doing anything. We can slowly reform the media to become more truthful, and we can take action in our government. I mean, really, yeah it's work and a little extra time, but if we just fucking spent the extra 2 or 3 hours a day sifting through the news, dissecting the underlying messages, and then doing the additional research, we could find out all of the crooked shit going on. It's out there, but we start yelling about it after it happens.

I'm just so angry. People are getting pissed at me here for calling this kid a punk, but did it ever occur to you that I see that this kid has such a great ambition and knowledge, and such a huge following, that he could be informing people on much more tangible things?! He's just wasting his time, he could be doing better.

Ya dig?


-William
www.William-Mac.com

[mikeproteau]

I don't even know who Mark Dice is. There is no reason for you to so insanely insult me. I never insinuated that I was above anybody. However, the fact is that what this is kid is doing is completely ineffective. People can "wake up" all they want, but if they want to repair a corrupt system, it doesn't make much sense to shatter it, now does it?

Why don't you go and read up a little on the history of various political ideologies, history shows that what this kid is doing will not work. The fact that me pointing out his stupidity arouses such anger in people like you is just another extremely sad example that this radical and ineffective ideology is running rampant among people who have a good grasp of the "truth", but would rather use force rather than critical thinking in order get out their views.

As far as why Luke isn't able to get a meeting with the Mayor? Uh...maybe that's because he acts like a dumbass punk kid. Have you considered that? Who wants to talk to a little chattering monkey like that. No one, especially not a politician.

Don't you dare tell me that I'm a boot-licking fake, or in your fucked up words "wannabe professional fake", I'm certainly not attempting to aspire to be a "professional fake". You think I'm going around licking boots, but I'm raising money to aid sex trafficking victims, to educate people about the real government corruption going on, the actual corruption happening in our home towns by our local politicians. I have gained access, as I stated before, to these politicians and many victems of torture on the part of the politicians because I used my BRAIN to figure out a way to screw over the evil ones and elevate the afflicted.

As far as you're concerned? Before you attempt to argue or lash out at someone, like you so adamantly did towards me, you need to first learn how to spell, then learn how to form your words to where they make sense in a sentence, and if you can somehow get to that point you then need to know who you're fucking dealing with.

Don't demean me, and discredit me in such a childish manor, you'll only end up insulting yourself. Your response is a prime example of the problems being caused by these nonsense "truth" movements, the likes of which are nothing more than children playing with toys.

Get educated.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH I knew it, you fool. You fell right into my trap, I porously did not edit my text because I wanted to test two "litmus" tests
1.if you would bring up the spelling issue
2.if you would bring up the "education" aka brainwashing cities of the universe
And if both examples confirmed then subject is confirmed a total uptight dough-bag

I didn't read the rest of it because it was too boring and opinionated and I don't want to give you the satisfaction

thank for reading

[william_mac]

HAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH I knew it, you fool. You fell right into my trap, I porously did not edit my text because I wanted to test two "litmus" tests
1.if you would bring up the spelling issue
2.if you would bring up the "education" aka brainwashing cities of the universe
And if both examples confirmed then subject is confirmed a total uptight dough-bag

I didn't read the rest of it because it was too boring and opinionated and I don't want to give you the satisfaction

thank for reading

Well, you're just on the ball aren't you? I've already written a comprehensive essay report and produced a video concerning "brainwashing" educational systems owned by the federal government, so don't even try to fuck with me on the point. I'm completely self-educated.

I don't get any satisfaction out of this. This isn't a game, this isn't a contest. Do you understand? While you're trying to fuck with people you could be spending your time doing much more constructive things.

You need to stop attempting to cop a rise out of people, that is just completely unnecessary. Really, please try to grow up a tad bit.

Also, did you porously not edit this response as well? You're rather strange, eh?



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[cruise4]

You do make some good points William mac. You do. I hope you are right. I'm sure your approach has some worth, honestly. I email my politicians regularly. Don't think I have given up on the idea of change from within and there are solid reasons to try. However... one of the reasons the phone lines got so jammed up over the immigration bill, is because of Luke and Alex Jones, as well as others I'm unaware of, I'm sure. There are people that your approach, or mine, will never reach, but theirs does.

Look, you have made your case, I accept your postion, I'm glad people have your postion and I'm sure we are all on the same side. But slagging each other off is counter productive. We all have different approaches and all have a different role to play. We have different capabilities and have to follow the heart and I think you would concede he was doing that?

So lets call it a bad day at the office:D I expect more are to come. I'm in the UK, by the way, so not totally educated on US matters by any means.

Live and let Live
Each to their own
United we stand

[william_mac]

You do make some good points William mac. You do. I hope you are right. I'm sure your approach has some worth, honestly. I email my politicians regularly. Don't think I have given up on the idea of change from within and there are solid reasons to try. However... one of the reasons the phone lines got so jammed up over the immigration bill, is because of Luke and Alex Jones, as well as others I'm unaware of, I'm sure. There are people that your approach, or mine, will never reach, but theirs does.

Look, you have made your case, I accept your postion, I'm glad people have your postion and I'm sure we are all on the same side. But slagging each other off is counter productive. We all have different approaches and all have a different role to play. We have different capabilities and have to follow the heart and I think you would concede he was doing that?

So lets call it a bad day at the office:D I expect more are to come. I'm in the UK, by the way, so not totally educated on US matters by any means.

Live and let Live
Each to their own
United we stand

Yeah, you know I don't want to say the kid isn't doing something good. His intentions are good. But I'm afraid of the people that look up to him, I'm afraid they'll consider it an alternative (an easier one at that) than to remain educated.

As far as Alex Jones? Well, think about it, he began in the same position, he worked to get where he is and develop influence. That is just a positive example and confirmation of what I'm trying to illustrate.

Thanks for being so civil in the conversation, it's nice to see that upstanding people like yourself understand how to conduct a difference of an opinion in a debate. I think that I was just set off right away by seeing the video. I've reacted harsh like that to a number of threads. I never mean it so angrily, actually. I get frustrated that the kid was being such a "punk" in my mind. I just don't think that anyone in the "system" will respect him or listen to him right off the bat if he attacks so deliberately like that.

I'm a journalist, you know? And as a journalist I always try to remain unbiased before any politician, and to see both sides of things. And I saw both sides in this case, but the fact remains that I think that the negatives and ineffectiveness of this person demonstrated through his videos outweigh those of his initial good intentions.

Either way, debates are healthy in my mind, I just don't react well to blatant attacks without supported fact. You, on the other hand, supported your stance.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[chris]

People have different styles, to rip on one is to take away what works for them so just like every great change, there was a lot of rabble, arguing and then magically they produce something amazing.

People love confrontations, they are so interesting. Luke acts civil but he unlike most people he's not content with being patted on the head by an elitist and wags his tail with one of their spin tactics. This is youtube not exactly highbrow viewing so they are getting the average sheeple to watch.

Will, I comend you for what your doing and if you can get an interview with an true elitist and have him answer your questions then that would be fucking great but these people are all smiles until you ask him a real question and then they get their bodyguards in your way and there is no way you can get a word in.

I remember years ago when Luke and Danny were just normal protestors, they weren't looking to be leaders or 'celebrities' and then they got in the face of that popular mechanics guy and absolutely humiliated the guy (especially Danny), the next week Danny just died, a healthy person simply died. It's fucking bullshit. So theres no wonder why he gets a bit confrontational (even though it's quite professional in my opinion).

[supertzar]

The kid sounded fairly knowledgeable. He gave Bloomberg way more respect than he deserves. He dealt with security with skill. He forced Bloomberg to endure a little discomfort. Great job!

[william_mac]

People have different styles, to rip on one is to take away what works for them so just like every great change, there was a lot of rabble, arguing and then magically they produce something amazing.

People love confrontations, they are so interesting. Luke acts civil but he unlike most people he's not content with being patted on the head by an elitist and wags his tail with one of their spin tactics. This is youtube not exactly highbrow viewing so they are getting the average sheeple to watch.

Will, I comend you for what your doing and if you can get an interview with an true elitist and have him answer your questions then that would be fucking great but these people are all smiles until you ask him a real question and then they get their bodyguards in your way and there is no way you can get a word in.

I remember years ago when Luke and Danny were just normal protestors, they weren't looking to be leaders or 'celebrities' and then they got in the face of that popular mechanics guy and absolutely humiliated the guy (especially Danny), the next week Danny just died, a healthy person simply died. It's fucking bullshit. So theres no wonder why he gets a bit confrontational (even though it's quite professional in my opinion).

I just don't understand why I can't seem to phrase things on these threads in such a way as to have people understand me the first time.

I'm not trying to get an interview with an elitist. I actually said in another reponse on this same thread that an internview will do nothing, no matter how it is conducted.

The guy I'm interviewing on Sunday was a man who was tortured to the point of permanent damage to many of his bodily functions, he was tortured by the same people he wrote a report about accusing them of apppointing convicted child sex pornographers and child murderers from the infamous Atlanta Child Murders to positions such as paramedics and firemen. After he wrote this report, his dog was shotgunned, he was arrested three times (for no reason) and the third time he was tortured. He pled guilty to a bogus allegation in order to get medical care, and a media blackout has been put on him so the media won't report on him.

See, now what I'm doing here is interviewing the man on camera, and writing an article. Then I will get an interview with Alex Jones, and I'm already backed up by a few other nonprofit media organizations (we're holding back for the attack). After that, then I'm sending the video and the article to every single major, minor, and indy publication and in the state of Georgia. I will then start a campaign against the Cobb County Court system and the FBI corruption in Savannah, Georgia.

But, it's wise to plan these things out. Also, Paul Douglas Hale (the guy I'm interviewing) is giving me full access to his old campaign office and all of the confidential documents he's obtained. This means I will have indisputable proof of the FBI's dealing drugs in Georgia, the likes of which goes straight up to the administration. Besides, Paul Douglas Hale's problems began when he started rallying for the impeachment of Bush due to "mental incapacity". Paul has already told me on the phone that Bush has an advanced case of dimensia, and has the records to prove it.

Now, this, to me, seems a bit more effective. Interviewing these bastards will do nothing, no matter how you go about it. But getting to the ones who have been silenced and screwed over behind the scenes is the most important thing.

Paul, for example, was so scarred and deafeted that he did not want to interview with me. I eventually, by acting like a gentleman, got him to change his mind. I literally told him "look, you have everything to lose; I don't. You can't defend yourself; but I can get the people to support you. You've already been tortured, but now you have a young man here who is willing to support you and put extreme pressure on the government. Give me the documents, and let me get the word out and get you on the Alex Jones show, and our media support will protect us both; you'll have the justice you derserve, and we'll make sure people know that there is conspiracy, and there is torture, and it's in their own fucking backyard".

The interview will be on Sunday, but that is just one single example of using the traditional system to screw these people over. That kid is smart, but if you'll notice, he just doesn't have any class or tact. He could conduct himself in a little craftier of a way, and then if he would be patient, he could then make a greater boom with those videos. It's clear that he wants to be a journalist. However, us journalist are more so private investigators than we are stellar writers, and if he wants to be a journalist he needs to learn how to really do some digging, and screw these people over.

It's like the difference between one of those sloppy roberies, as opposed to those robberies where every one goes "how the fuck did he do that?". Not to condone robbery, but I think you'll understand that class and a little pizazz leaves people dropping their jaw in the end and applauding. You know? Now that's just good journlaism, screw them over, and burn them with their own fire.

EDIT:

I mean, I'm pretty sure someone is going to try to murder ME after this.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[nickatnoon61]

I just don't understand why I can't seem to phrase things on these threads in such a way as to have people understand me the first time.

I'm not trying to get an interview with an elitist. I actually said in another reponse on this same thread that an internview will do nothing, no matter how it is conducted.

The guy I'm interviewing on Sunday was a man who was tortured to the point of permanent damage to many of his bodily functions, he was tortured by the same people he wrote a report about accusing them of apppointing convicted child sex pornographers and child murderers from the infamous Atlanta Child Murders to positions such as paramedics and firemen. After he wrote this report, his dog was shotgunned, he was arrested three times (for no reason) and the third time he was tortured. He pled guilty to a bogus allegation in order to get medical care, and a media blackout has been put on him so the media won't report on him.

See, now what I'm doing here is interviewing the man on camera, and writing an article. Then I will get an interview with Alex Jones, and I'm already backed up by a few other nonprofit media organizations (we're holding back for the attack). After that, then I'm sending the video and the article to every single major, minor, and indy publication and in the state of Georgia. I will then start a campaign against the Cobb County Court system and the FBI corruption in Savannah, Georgia.

But, it's wise to plan these things out. Also, Paul Douglas Hale (the guy I'm interviewing) is giving me full access to his old campaign office and all of the confidential documents he's obtained. This means I will have indisputable proof of the FBI's dealing drugs in Georgia, the likes of which goes straight up to the administration. Besides, Paul Douglas Hale's problems began when he started rallying for the impeachment of Bush due to "mental incapacity". Paul has already told me on the phone that Bush has an advanced case of dimensia, and has the records to prove it.

Now, this, to me, seems a bit more effective. Interviewing these bastards will do nothing, no matter how you go about it. But getting to the ones who have been silenced and screwed over behind the scenes is the most important thing.

Paul, for example, was so scarred and deafeted that he did not want to interview with me. I eventually, by acting like a gentleman, got him to change his mind. I literally told him "look, you have everything to lose; I don't. You can't defend yourself; but I can get the people to support you. You've already been tortured, but now you have a young man here who is willing to support you and put extreme pressure on the government. Give me the documents, and let me get the word out and get you on the Alex Jones show, and our media support will protect us both; you'll have the justice you derserve, and we'll make sure people know that there is conspiracy, and there is torture, and it's in their own fucking backyard".

The interview will be on Sunday, but that is just one single example of using the traditional system to screw these people over. That kid is smart, but if you'll notice, he just doesn't have any class or tact. He could conduct himself in a little craftier of a way, and then if he would be patient, he could then make a greater boom with those videos. It's clear that he wants to be a journalist. However, us journalist are more so private investigators than we are stellar writers, and if he wants to be a journalist he needs to learn how to really do some digging, and screw these people over.

It's like the difference between one of those sloppy roberies, as opposed to those robberies where every one goes "how the fuck did he do that?". Not to condone robbery, but I think you'll understand that class and a little pizazz leaves people dropping their jaw in the end and applauding. You know? Now that's just good journlaism, screw them over, and burn them with their own fire.

EDIT:

I mean, I'm pretty sure someone is going to try to murder ME after this.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

HI WM, I GOOGLED THIS ......http://www.indymedia.org/fr/2007/08/890432.shtml

[chris]

I just don't understand why I can't seem to phrase things on these threads in such a way as to have people understand me the first time.

I'm not trying to get an interview with an elitist. I actually said in another reponse on this same thread that an internview will do nothing, no matter how it is conducted.

I was speaking hypothetically not saying you were trying to do that but hypothetically the only way to speak to an elitist is to do what Luke did to Bloomberg…Maybe he could be more intelligent about it but the guy just saw him on the street, recognised him and then asked him…He didn’t have time to think, he just acted.

What you’re doing is great as well and Luke did a very good job of interviewing the Browns while they were in a stakeout.

Youtube is very childish and guerrilla journalism is perfect for it. I know you’d never get a word out of Alan Colmes, Bloomberg or David Rockefeller but the idea is to let them know we are watching them and won’t take it. It also will make other wannabes think twice about whose side they want to be on if they are constantly getting publicly embarrassed.

Looking forward to your interview.

[william_mac]

HI WM, I GOOGLED THIS ......http://www.indymedia.org/fr/2007/08/890432.shtml

Yeah, Paul wrote that. He wrote his own press release. The first place he posted it was on Craigslist.org in the Local News Section on the top left corner for Atlanta, Georgia.

The release struck me as strange, so I tried for weeks to get information on Paul Douglas Hale. But, there was none. I immediately thought "media blackout" since I could not even find his records in the State records of who had run for governor back in 2006, which he should have been in. When I mentioned that to Paul he confirmed there had been a media blackout, but wasn't aware that he was no longer in the State records.

The Sheriff that arrested him DENIED knowing him at all. What bullshit.

Anyway, after a few weeks I saw the same press release come up at another location and still another for Clayton State Students. Finally, one of them had a phone number included. I called the number and I got Paul.

Every time the press release is posted at a site, it's taken down within a few days, so the one with his number has been erased, so I was lucky to get it. He was apprehensive at first but I kept digging and digging and being persistant, hah, he actually said "You're going to make a hell of a politician".

You should hear the poor bastard on the phone though, his voice is really weak and he can speak very quickly because he has lung damage.

But yeah, that is EXACTLY the guy I'm interviewing.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

[nickatnoon61]

Yeah, Paul wrote that. He wrote his own press release. The first place he posted it was on Craigslist.org in the Local News Section on the top left corner for Atlanta, Georgia.

The release struck me as strange, so I tried for weeks to get information on Paul Douglas Hale. But, there was none. I immediately thought "media blackout" since I could not even find his records in the State records of who had run for governor back in 2006, which he should have been in. When I mentioned that to Paul he confirmed there had been a media blackout, but wasn't aware that he was no longer in the State records.

The Sheriff that arrested him DENIED knowing him at all. What bullshit.

Anyway, after a few weeks I saw the same press release come up at another location and still another for Clayton State Students. Finally, one of them had a phone number included. I called the number and I got Paul.

Every time the press release is posted at a site, it's taken down within a few days, so the one with his number has been erased, so I was lucky to get it. He was apprehensive at first but I kept digging and digging and being persistant, hah, he actually said "You're going to make a hell of a politician".

You should hear the poor bastard on the phone though, his voice is really weak and he can speak very quickly because he has lung damage.

But yeah, that is EXACTLY the guy I'm interviewing.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

THANX WM, I am trying a new approach of not jumping to conclusions with people I do not agree with! My 1st impression was that you were a agitator/disinformer. I now feel you are probably compassionate, towards victims of the POLICE STATE as I am.It takes one to know one,IMHO! I get very emotional about civil rights issues, also! I have been screwed over by the SATANIC system a few times, like most people! If this is what it takes to get me off my ass and contribute, then that is a great thing! PROBLEM=OPPORTUNITY I have done more than my share of research on SRA, MK Ultra, etal.McMartin Day Care, Tranceformation of America,Jon Bonet Ramsey, etc.I know about Atlanta being the Eastern SATANIC capital, and Denver being the Western SATANIC capital of the U.S. The black dude, Williams, is the fall-guy/patsy for these ritual killings, ala Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan,etc.Hale's case reminds me of The Brandon Corey Story, a little. Luke and yourself are doing beneficial "dirty jobs" that most of us have distaste for! I commend you both for taking that on.....HEAD ON! Nick.