The Woolworth Building - missile attack on 9/11 ?

[stannrodd]

There was speculation/witness accounts that missiles were launched from the Woolworth building during the events of 9/11 in NYC. Their purpose and targets also speculation. But this is the general layout of the buildings.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/WWcentre.jpg

Now here is some TV footage we looked at a few years back .. which you might like to look at .. probably shows "morphing birds .." :eek: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c2fJtdX_tA

Someone on another thread wanted to hear more about this speculation, so I thought I would start the ball rolling.

Check out the video and I reckon it's heading toward WTC 7 !

Stann

[noewhan]

There was some sort of animated gif on the infowarsfourm, long ago. (Was back, but now gone again).

Firing a missile from Woolworths to the WTCs is possible, but I'm not sure of what to make of it.

[stannrodd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c2fJtdX_tA

Take a look at where the WTC 7 building is at the right. Take in the trajectory of the second "missile trail".

Look for the curving trail toward WTC7 .. accelerating .. sort of un-birdlike.:)

Also note that this is after the Twin Towers fell down according to caption txt.

Perfect time to fire a few bombs into WTC7 .. who would notice ??

Stann

[3stepsahead]

all i got to say is thanks for being in the right side of the fence rodd
the video ooks creepy but still this can not really be counted as evidence.
the morphing birds are very crazy
have fun and take care

[dave52]

Perfect time to fire a few bombs into WTC7 .. who would notice ??

Stann

Are you thinking incendiaries to get things going a little at WTC7...? I'm not sure I see the point, any number of the government agencies in 7 could've just set fires before evacuating...

The video is interesting though, definitely looks like some sort of projectile from the building. There was so much going on, we might never know exactly what was done and why. Could be some sort of psyop to keep mugs like us talking about possibilities 8 years down the line.

I'll have a read round, see what ideas people have about this.

[evillive]

In "abovetopsecret" there is more speculation about this thing.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread182724/pg1

Look at this too: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_41.htm

[illuminumnuts]

I believe all 3 buildings were demolished, but why fire rockets at W.T.C.? What motives are there for them to do this?

[lordofangels]

A thought for the no-planers, could this of be where the holographic projections of the plane come from, they projected them from the WW building?

[stannrodd]

I believe all 3 buildings were demolished, but why fire rockets at W.T.C.? What motives are there for them to do this?

I meant WTC 7 .. SEVEN

SIMPLY The OPPORTUNITY to do it.

The perfect opportunity is being speculated .. the why part is not part of the speculation.

The speculation is that the opportunity to damage WTC7 could be done during the towers collapse .. it's not that difficult to imagine using such a diversion to allow another attack "in the smoke".

WTC 7 was not the centre of attention .. it was in the "smoke" !!

Stann

[stannrodd]

all i got to say is thanks for being in the right side of the fence rodd
the video ooks creepy but still this can not really be counted as evidence.
the morphing birds are very crazy
have fun and take care

I do thank you for your confidence 3stepsahead

Which fence ? The honest one ??

I like to look at all the facts and creepy stuff too .. never implied it was evidence!

Just me I guess .. I like your 'TUDE ..

I do have some other stuff about this bloody True/False

Woolworth Myth too

Stann

[illuminumnuts]

I meant WTC 7 .. SEVEN

SIMPLY The OPPORTUNITY to do it.

The perfect opportunity is being speculated .. the why part is not part of the speculation.

The speculation is that the opportunity to damage WTC7 could be done during the towers collapse .. it's not that difficult to imagine using such a diversion to allow another attack "in the smoke".

WTC 7 was not the centre of attention .. it was in the "smoke" !!

Stann

I still don't understand why they would damage a building they were going to demolish anyway. It just doesn't make sense to me. Who knows what crazy ideas they get I suppose.

[3stepsahead]

I do thank you for your confidence 3stepsahead

Which fence ? The honest one ??

I like to look at all the facts and creepy stuff too .. never implied it was evidence!

Just me I guess .. I like your 'TUDE ..

I do have some other stuff about this bloody True/False

Woolworth Myth too

Stann

it was the fence of probailities i guess.

have you found out anything else about the video?

the rockets would be a fail safe to make it seem that wt7 was gotten hit by debris and "toppled over" due to the damage. it makes very much sence but now what :D

[illuminumnuts]

it was the fence of probailities i guess.

have you found out anything else about the video?

the rockets would be a fail safe to make it seem that wt7 was gotten hit by debris and "toppled over" due to the damage. it makes very much sence but now what :D

But they had footage of debris hitting the WTC7 anyway. Why fire missiles when cameras are literally everywhere? :confused:

[stannrodd]

But they had footage of debris hitting the WTC7 anyway. Why fire missiles when cameras are literally everywhere? :confused:

Well we could speculate until the cows come home couldn't we, and the flimsy evidence doesn't prove diddly squat.

However .. this is where I come from and how I work.

There were reports of missiles being fired from the Woolworth building .. by who I don't remember now, but I can probably find out again. Anyway at the time I thought I'd have a look at available resources and see what I could find in terms of "evidence".

To be honest I didn't think I'd find anything .. then someone came across that footage which seemed to show something that could/maybe be confirmation. It was an interesting research project so I kept looking for new stuff and still do today. I don't accept that the video is confirmation of missiles .. but it does add up if you were intent on seriously damaging WTC7 and doing it when least expected to be noticed.

So I decided to have a look at some seriously hi res aerial pictures taken a few days after 9/11 and found one where I could see the balcony of the Woolworth building. The particular balcony which appeared to be the one from which the 'missile like object' emanated from and heading to WTC7.

This is what I found on that balcony.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/rocketlauncher.jpg

The idea that it maybe a launching device of some sort resulted in the comparison of various sorts of devices, and we tentatively matched the shape of the "object" with this device. A wire guided missile launcher, not hi tech but effective in delivering powerful ordinance.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Launcher.jpg

Now I am not suggesting this is actually what the object is .. but .. if there was such a device on 9/11 then it would probably have been there, and I doubt they would be attempting to move it after the events. Like how far do you think they would get with a rocket launcher in downtown after a terrorist attack ??

So leaving it there is a possibility. (Remove it later)

I'll dig out the photos from which I cropped the WW building balcony pic, and point out the orientation of it to WTC 7. The original is a 14Mb and shows Ground Zero in incredible clarity.

Could take a day or two to find.

Stann :)

[illuminumnuts]

Could it not have been a specialist photographer who somehow got up there?

[stannrodd]

Could it not have been a specialist photographer who somehow got up there?

:confused: I was looking into reports of missiles being fired at WTC7 from WW building and was presenting what I had found with respect to that.

Where did the photographer speculation come from ?

Stann

[illuminumnuts]

I was just speculating. ;)

[stannrodd]

I was just speculating. ;)

OK illuminumnuts,

I'm here doing some sort of effort, I would like to know if you think your speculation has any merit .. and if so what is it in terms of the topic.

Maybe I can assist. I did find the big aerial photo in my archive and will put something together regarding that.

The enigma of WTC 7 has always been that. It was also the command and control centre for emergency response. The building was also evacuated before the towers fell. Why was that ? Did they expect collapse to happen so early in the events scenario ??

Feel free to contribute and not just speculate .. sometimes speculation is a useful tool when applied in a useful direction.

Regards
Stann :)

[illuminumnuts]

I was just throwing in some ideas. A missile launcher could look like a camera on a tripod from a long way off. I don't see that as useless contribution, even if it is just speculation. I wasn't trying to denigrate your efforts.

[stannrodd]

I was just throwing in some ideas. A missile launcher could look like a camera on a tripod from a long way off. I don't see that as useless contribution, even if it is just speculation. I wasn't trying to denigrate your efforts.

Thanks .. I suppose it could have .. and from that perspective .. the "camera on a tripod" activity would look inconspicuous given the event being unfolded in full view. If there were flashes though .. you'd have to worry about the expertise of the cameraman. :D

Anyone with inside knowledge of that building here ?? If so .. are you able to tell us what the floor level at that balcony was used for ?? Or perhaps a link to some useful info regarding the building.

Rented apartments for example, art studios, fashion boutiques etc. Who occupied the floor or rooms on that floor during 9/11 would be useful.

Thanks
Stann

[stannrodd]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/wtc-photoww.jpg

This is part of the image I cropped the balcony scene from .. it gives you an idea of the arrangement of the buildings.

Take note that the balcony side of WW building is facing WTC7..

Stann

below I have linked to a pic of the destruction at GZ for those interested taken from the same master pic.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/wtc-photocolumnsteelgz.jpg

[d4rk3v1l]

Those aren't birds.

[stannrodd]

There is certainly one of which is very un-birdlike

Stann

[stannrodd]

In "abovetopsecret" there is more speculation about this thing.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread182724/pg1

Look at this too: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_41.htm

Hi evillive,

I somehow missed your post and thanks for the pointers to those links. Some interesting stuff I hadn't seen before with respect to the topic. I recommend anyone interested .. to visit those links to read about the alleged missile launches .. witness accounts etc.

There is one aspect which is referred to, and that is the damage to the Woolworth building turret from "orbs" whatever that is. Killtown ??

To clarify that .. here is the alleged damage taken from the same large aerial pic I have cropped for other information ..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/WWturretdamage.jpg

And here is a close up of the alleged damage to that turret.. from another source

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Wool_Views_1.jpg

It transpires that the turret is actually an exhaust vent of some sort and is made in the shape of the other three turrets. Therefore not damage as alleged by some researchers.

Stann

[illuminumnuts]

Hi evillive,

I somehow missed your post and thanks for the pointers to those links. Some interesting stuff I hadn't seen before with respect to the topic. I recommend anyone interested .. to visit those links to read about the alleged missile launches .. witness accounts etc.

There is one aspect which is referred to, and that is the damage to the Woolworth building turret from "orbs" whatever that is. Killtown ??

To clarify that .. here is the alleged damage taken from the same large aerial pic I have cropped for other information ..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/WWturretdamage.jpg

And here is a close up of the alleged damage to that turret.. from another source

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/Wool_Views_1.jpg

It transpires that the turret is actually an exhaust vent of some sort and is made in the shape of the other three turrets. Therefore not damage as alleged by some researchers.

Stann

The MSM video footage of the WTC7 controlled demolition was from the front of the building? Missiles fired from the Woolworth building would have hit the left side of WTC7 I take it?

[stannrodd]

The MSM video footage of the WTC7 controlled demolition was from the front of the building? Missiles fired from the Woolworth building would have hit the left side of WTC7 I take it?

Let's use a compass instead.

In this image .. North is to the left ..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/wtc-photoww.jpg

In this image we are looking from the North to the South. WTC 7 is the brown building in front of the towers. East is to the left. Morning sun is evident on the buildings.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/MVC-031S.jpg

WTC 7 East side faces WW and notably in this image there seems to be a "fire" in WTC 7 (left side). This is before South Tower is hit. But the "fire" exists in the frame where the South Tower IS hit too, this could be some kind of photographic artifact/relic rather than a fire .. but interesting that it fits the geometry.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/MVC-032S.jpg

Stann

[illuminumnuts]

You can answer this quite quick for me i'm sure. :) How long before the clip of the 'possible missiles' and the actual collapse?

[stannrodd]

You can answer this quite quick for me i'm sure. :) How long before the clip of the 'possible missiles' and the actual collapse?

According to the clip ..it's own caption text .. the clip is from after the collapses. This would preclude the missiles being launched at the towers .. hence the concept of it being an attack on WTC7 which is still standing.

Refer post #3

Stann

[illuminumnuts]

Yes, I mean how long before the collapse of WTC7?

[stannrodd]

Yes, I mean how long before the collapse of WTC7?

Ah! Ok .. sorry I was at cross purposes there. Perhaps you can work it out.

WTC 7 collapsed at 5.20pm local time approx. The clip was taken shortly after the collapse of the second tower .. though I can't find a time stamp for that footage.

Go for it I have visitors just now so will look back in later ..

Stann :)

[illuminumnuts]

I'm off to my dark pit now. Tomorrow...

[stannrodd]

I'm off to my dark pit now. Tomorrow...

Another day has dawned ..

Anyway here is a frame capture of an alleged flash emanating from the WW building balcony where the rocket launcher could have been stationed.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/wwlaunch.jpg

This I have incorporated into a frame which didn't have the flash to demonstrate the flash intensity .. a tower is still visible .. the direction of the flash is really left to right ..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/wwignition.gif

Stann

[illuminumnuts]

Looks like we are talking several hours before the collapse on that footage then. It is all a bit mysterious. I'd still like to hear a feasible theory regarding missiles though. I reiterate, I don't doubt all 3 buildings were demolished!

[stannrodd]

Looks like we are talking several hours before the collapse on that footage then. It is all a bit mysterious. I'd still like to hear a feasible theory regarding missiles though. I reiterate, I don't doubt all 3 buildings were demolished!

So would I !!

Have you read the pages linked from post #6 on page 1 ??

There is some speculation about the Woolworth missile attacks being at WTC1 .. at this address.. though there are aspects I don't agree with.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_41.htm


Masked Multiplicity of Attacks


In the North Tower there was extensive damage to the 22nd floor, so much so that survivors had to "tunnel through the debris", in their own words, to escape. Extensive damage also occurred in the lobby of the North Tower making one firefighter on the scene say at the time that it "looked like a plane hit the lobby". To add to this there were people in the sub-basement levels that witnessed the destruction of equipment on a nearby level weighing many tons.



After putting together all of the pieces, it seems likely that the North Tower was targeted on at least three different levels using separate methods of attack approximately at the 96th floor, the 22nd floor, and the lobby, plus sub-basement levels. The 96th floor for dramatic theatrical effect, the 22nd floor to destroy evidence in the FBI offices located there, in the lobby to shut down the building's surveillance camera systems, and the sub-basement levels to inhibit access to the vaults there which contained over $100 million dollars in gold that was never recovered!



Evidence suggested that the 96th floor was attacked by a small airplane, the 22nd floor by a slightly delayed almost synchronous missile that fired off of the Woolworth building rooftop, and the lobby and sub-basement via pre-implanted explosives all timed to initiate in synch.

Stann

[mr_pixie]

http://www.orbwar.com/woolworth/

[fist fury]

Those are definately NOT rockets or missiles because they do not emit exaust.

Its something else, look deeper.

[stannrodd]

Those are definately NOT rockets or missiles because they do not emit exaust.

Its something else, look deeper.

What do you think they are ?

Stann:D

[kevin82]

http://www.geocities.com/streakingobject/JapaneseGifObject.gif
http://www.september11news.com/AAAMysteriousObjectGammaPress3.jpg
http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews/Extra/1/WT3B.JPG
http://www.ididnotknowthat.com/ufo%20pix1.jpg

[stannrodd]

The topic is The Woolworth Building - missile attack on 9/11 ?

Your post has no reason in terms of your explanation or response to any post.

Stann

[kevin82]

"...the police had a report that a missile had been fired at the World Trade Center from the Woolworth building."

Alan Reiss, WTC Police Desk
9-11 Commission Hearing
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"The Woolworth Building! The Woolworth Building! They're shooting at the Trade Center from the Woolworth Building!" a police officer screams. ... "There's fucking explosions going off on Vesey street!" another officer yells. NY POST (08-29-03):
we just had a second explosion, possibly a missile from the roof of the Woolworth Building."
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World Trade Center police channel 07:

Male: “The first one they think was a guy shooting the missiles off the Woolworth Building. And the second one they think is an airplane that was circling to watch it, and hit the World Trade….”
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"Can you send somebody over to the Woolworth Building to check the roof?" a Port Authority police officer asked. "There's a possible ... they said it was ... we just had a second explosion, possibly a missile from the roof of the Woolworth Building."

"The Woolworth Building?" replied a police operator.

"`Yeah, on ... on Broadway," the officer said.

Transcripts created from tapes of Port Authority emergency calls and radio transmissions.

[stannrodd]

Always good to speak with the human at the other end of a post ..:rolleyes:

Your point being a display of videos ?

How about talking about it .. do you have anything to say ??

Stann

[kevin82]

Always good to speak with the human at the other end of a post ..:rolleyes:

Your point being a display of videos ?

How about talking about it .. do you have anything to say ??

Stann

Videos? If you mean the gifs ok. They show some kind of missile like object flying past the towers. Don't they??? One of the words on headline of the thread says missile doesn't it??? :rolleyes:

[stannrodd]

Thanks for that Kevin .. it sometimes helps in the post to read your point rather than assume something. I liked the comments you posted at YouTube .. why remove them ??

Stann:)

[stannrodd]

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