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cruise4
08-08-2007, 05:10 AM
4,000 people a week trying to leave UK

Michael Knapp
UK Daily Express
Tuesday Aug 7, 2007

BRITAIN is facing a mass exodus of people looking to escape the crime and grime of modern living.

The country’s biggest foreign visa consultancy firm has revealed that applications have soared in the last seven months by 80 per cent to almost 4,000 a week. Ten years ago the figure was just 300 a week.

Most people are relocating within the Commonwealth – in Australia, Canada and South Africa. They are almost all young professionals and skilled workers aged 20-40.

And many cite their reason for wanting to quit as immigration to these shores – and the burden it is placing on their communities and local authorities. The dearth of good schools, spiralling house prices, rising crime and tax increases are also driving people away.


Obtaining a visa to live abroad can cost as little as £1,500 for the right candidates. Plumbers, electricians, construction workers and doctors are famously in demand. The only obstruction to emigration from the UK is a criminal record, poor health, advancing age and being a “third country national”.

Liam Clifford, a former immigration control officer, set up globalvisas.com as a one-man band 12 years ago. He now employs 60 people and is in the process of opening new offices in both South Africa and Australia. Mr Clifford said: “It’s absolutely phenomenal. People are trying to get away to wherever they can, and most are successful.

“Ironically, one of the main reasons for leaving is the overstretch of services due to increasing immigration into the UK. People are looking for the better standard of living offered by other countries, as even the most idyllic villages in Britain are under pressure from rising populations.


Skilled labour is obviously an advantage, but so is speaking the English language. Most countries are harder to get into if you don’t speak English. UK plc simply isn’t fighting hard enough to keep its people. Some are telling us they are fed up with living in this country. Even business people are saying they’ve had enough.
“They’re saying ‘I can’t put my children into the right school, but if I move abroad I can’. Most people are very patriotic and don’t want to leave. They’re almost terrified about it. But they say they just have to.

“It’s a shame people at the top don’t recognise they’re not doing enough to retain highly skilled workers in this country. A lot of them are quite young, and they’re not idle. They just can’t see a future for themselves in this country. They want to get married and settle down and buy homes, but they can’t see it happening here.

“And time and time again they are saying to us they don’t want to be seen as racist because they are quitting because of immigration. We tell them of course they’re not.”

According to the most recent Office of National Statistics figures, in 2005 the official number of people leaving UK shores was 352,000 – up from 249,000 in 1995. The majority – around 150,000 – migrated from London and the south east.

Among those who headed out were Simon Blood, 26, and Rachel Roberts, 23, who moved to Australia four months ago. The couple, from Stoke-on-Trent, are loving their new life in far north Queensland so much that they’ve decided it’s permanent.

Apart from family, football and a few television programmes, there’s nothing they miss about home. Embracing the warmest winter they’ve ever known – averaging 24C daily – both relish the commute to work which takes just five minutes, leaving plenty of time for walks on the beach.

Simon, a marketing executive, and Rachel, a nurse, followed their dream after seeing a newspaper advertisement for nursing recruits Down Under.

“It all went very smoothly,” said Simon. “It’s beautiful here and we’ve no plans to go back for good.”


Comment: No worries Guys, doubt you'd have been any good in the coming battle anyway!

synergy777
08-08-2007, 07:02 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=axWmsMHJDjiQ&refer=home

U.K.'s Subprime Crisis May Be Worse Than U.S.'s: Matthew Lynn

By Matthew Lynn



A collection of estate agents signs Aug. 8 (Bloomberg) -- We are now all familiar with the damage that can be done to financial markets by a subprime lending crisis. Global equity markets have taken a battering recently because of concerns about U.S. home mortgages.

So which country is next?

The U.K. has had a property bubble every bit as crazy as the U.S.'s. Valuations were stretched, and lending criteria loosened. And now arrears are starting to rocket, even while the economy remains healthy.

Not only does the U.K. face its own subprime crisis, it could be far worse than in the U.S.

The latest figures on debts and mortgage arrears in the U.K. certainly make grim reading. Households ``are getting into more trouble when it comes to their mortgages,'' London-based consulting firm Capital Economics Ltd. said in a note to investors. ``With higher interest rates yet to have their full effect, mortgage arrears are likely to rise further, while unsecured bad debt might start to rise again too.''

The signs of trouble ahead can be seen in the number of homes now being repossessed because their owners can't keep up the payments. According to the Council of Mortgage Lenders, lenders foreclosed on 14,000 properties in the first six months of the year, 30 percent more than in the year-earlier period. That reflected ``the impact of an increasing amount of subprime lending within the overall market,'' the council said in a statement on the figures.

Britons in Debt

Arrears aren't in great shape either. An estimated 125,100 households are behind with their mortgage payments, about 1 percent of the total, according to the council. Home owners behind with the payments will have their homes repossessed a few months down the line, unless their finances improve.

The wider picture of indebtedness isn't much more comforting. The British are deeper in the red than any other major economy. According to data from the National Institute of Economic and Social Research in London, the ratio of household debt to personal income is 1.62 in the U.K., compared with 1.42 in the U.S., 1.36 in Japan and 1.09 in Germany.

The U.K. is now facing a subprime crisis on a similar scale to the U.S. As anyone who has taken out a mortgage in Britain will know, banks shovel out money without asking many questions. A review by the U.K.'s Financial Services Authority last month criticized reckless lending in the subprime sector, which has, it said, ``resulted in the approval of potentially unaffordable mortgages.''

No Proof of Income

The British market doesn't fall neatly into ``prime'' and ``subprime'' categories. Most of the mainstream lenders offer so- called self-certified mortgages, which require no proof of income. Plenty of prime borrowers -- meaning people who haven't defaulted on a loan yet -- are likely to take out mortgages that will be hard to make the payments on.

The U.K. subprime crisis may be a lot nastier than the U.S one. Here's why.

First, despite the mounting evidence that people can't afford them, house prices continue to soar. The National Housing Federation predicted this week that British house prices will rise 40 percent in the next five years, taking the average value of a home to 302,400 pounds ($618,000) by 2012.

The average British home already costs 11 times the average local salary, and that figure continues to increase. It is driven mainly by the U.K.'s small geographic size, high levels of immigration, and very low levels of house building. People have to live somewhere -- a home, after all, isn't an optional item for most of us.

The net result is that even as payment problems mount, people will carry on taking out bigger mortgages. What choice do they have?

Rate Differences

Next, U.S. interest rates may have reached their peak and could soon fall. In the U.K., that isn't the case. The Bank of England is likely to raise borrowing costs at least once more to 6 percent. If the housing market and general inflation don't show any sign of responding to that treatment, interest rates could go higher still. That won't help borrowers already hard-pressed to make their payments.

There should be two self-correcting mechanisms for fixing a subprime crisis in the housing market. House prices should gently fall, making properties more affordable, and reducing the size of loans. And interest rates should stabilize or fall, making the payments on those loans easier to maintain.

Neither seems to apply in the U.K.

Instead, interest rates are rising and so are house prices. The result is that thousands of families are left in a vulnerable position -- and so are the banks that have lent them money (not to mention the investors who have bought those loans as they have been sold on).

Just Walk Away

While the property market rises, everyone will be safe. If your house is worth more than your mortgage, you will be desperate to hold on to it. If you get into trouble, you can always sell it, repay the loan, and move somewhere cheaper.

Yet, as the U.S. has discovered, if house prices start to fall, that arithmetic changes. If you are in trouble with your mortgage, you can't pay it off by selling. There is little incentive to keep up the payments. Why not just walk away, and hand the keys and the problems over to the mortgage company?

Britain hasn't reached that point yet. But if it does, the mess could be even worse than in the U.S.

To contact the writer of this column: Matthew Lynn in London at matthewlynn@bloomberg.net .

Last Updated: August 7, 2007 19:17 EDT

heretic, asians leaving uk would be no different to jews leaving germany. when you are not treated like a british citizen, eg guantanamo, no british help, legal process. when over 11, 000 people are pulled over in july alone, me included. what do you expect. the good thing is that the timing could not be better, as india is booming. would you live in a country where you are only seen as a equal, depending on the situation, a selective citizenship is not worth having. also with england by 2009 becoming a full eu member state, do you honestly think sterling will be allowed, its can't under the cu constitution, so the euro will come in.

i love this country but only a fool would stay if the treatment gets any worse. heck if anglos are leaving, then maybe we should take the hint.

cruise4
08-08-2007, 08:59 PM
"I love this country but only a fool would stay if the treatment gets any worse. heck if anglos are leaving, then maybe we should take the hint."

Is this your comment synergy?

synergy777
08-08-2007, 11:46 PM
yes it is, i can forsee a future treatment of asians getting much worse. like japanese/jewish in ww2, irish during the struggles, over 50, 000 irish were locked up withut legal process. look at the numbers in prison, without trial, legal process now, multiply it by a factor of 10. wait until iran etc, then the witchhunts will get even worse. to be honest i don't see the masses doing anything, they will be manipulated by the fearmongering, which will shift up 2/3 gears, mark my words.its going to get much worse for asians, those living in cities etc are getting pushed too far. in july over 10,000 asians were pulled over alone, me included. its ok for anglos, they don't live with the cops, public giving them evils, pointing the finger of suspiscion.

adzboarder
09-08-2007, 02:08 AM
This is doom and gloom central, and the worst is yet to come!

cruise4
09-08-2007, 05:15 AM
I'm suprised given your earlier comments, but I do understand where you are coming from. People are ignorant of the facts. Some are just plain ignorant. If I remember this correctly... the Ghurkas were paid less, didn't get pensions and had no right to citizenship even though they fought for this country and it was considered an honourable tradition amongst their people. BUT... if you asked the average man in the street who knew something about this, they would be appalled at this treatment and would change the situation immediately if they could. What I'm saying is the people are generally good, the system is bad and the establishment have arranged it on purpose, so I hope you can still see clearly enough to ultimately blame the right people, hard though it is in the face of bigotry and ignorance.

But is there also an opportunity here to cement your place in this country and make it your country in the eyes of these peasants. I'm white, I've been done a number of times totally unfairly. Some of the worst crimes I've seen with my own eyes have been committed by Police Officers. I could leave but I think its my duty to stay. I love the country not the system and for better or for worse my brothers and my sisters need me/us and if you fight alongside that includes you. Its OUR country. We have to fight for it. Even if we do all leave, its only a temporary respite. You could jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. At some point, somewhere, we have to take a stand.

But I do see your point. However if you leave, maybe the peasants had a point... when it came down to it, what happened? If we end up winning...
would you expect a warm welcome?

(PS. I'm not saying this isn't your country now)

synergy777
09-08-2007, 01:15 PM
listen bro, if i am treated the same way again, its only an airplane ticket away. i ain't no bitch, and wil not tolerate treatment from anyone of this nature. i am panjabi, i can go back and enjoy the unrivalled protection/loyalty of my fellow countrymen. here in the uk many will, spy/sell others out, for their 30 pieces of silver. i won't be a victim, never have, never will, its pride, self value. i know its the elite, media, look at the ch4/dispatches edit/fix up, i won't tolerate it. i am not the sort of person to take being handled as an inferioir, potential terrorist. the irish might have stood for it, but we fucking won't. we asians are not going to lay down, be submissive, not for anyone.

its not the masses, heck half haven't got a clue whats going on, its the tyrants and the authorities. i won't be going to larkhill like v, lol, i would rather die on my feet than live on my knees, or be a sheep. lion by name , lion by nature. in times of trouble, the real and the fake are revealed, i trust my asian brothers, we would die for eachother, not sell eachother out. we know what time it is. i know there are good white english, but its still hard to trust them to be frank.

cruise4
09-08-2007, 11:09 PM
So you are a tourist?

ngawaka19
10-08-2007, 06:32 AM
yeah they're all coming here

utopia
10-08-2007, 07:36 AM
I will show you one or two good reason families and parents are trying to get their children out of the country.

look in the forums under general and help and advice and see what the legal system is doing to children and families.

http://www.fassit.co.uk/

http://www.stopinjusticenow.com/News_0018.htm

www.forced-adoption.com

Anyone with any humanity in their hearts could not read these stories with out being affected.

Utopia

synergy777
10-08-2007, 12:53 PM
cruise i am born and bred in england, an asian british/panjabi english, not british asian. in america, its irish american, italian american, african american.

cruise4
11-08-2007, 02:11 AM
Ahhh OK... to me you are English then. So not a tourist.:o