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size_of_light

19-07-2009, 02:51 PM

The images below are taken from the Norman Hall Room of the Grand Masonic Lodge in Philadelphia.

Can anyone explain the meaning behind the star and bell symbol featured here? I'm particularly interested in what the bell represents and if that same motif appears elsewhere in Masonry and/or if it's derived from earlier sources.

For background, I became aware of this symbol after watching a documentary on the secrets of Coral Castle. This briefly summarises the alleged link between it and Freemasonry:

Edward Leedskalnin and the Freemasons

There is evidence that some within the higher levels of the Freemasons of America have (or at least -- had) an understanding of the secrets of magnetism and antigravity, precisely the same secrets as were used by Edward Leedskalnin to build Coral Castle.

The location of the secrets is the Grand Masonic Lodge at Philadelphia, particularly the Norman Hall room.

Many secrets of magnetism are on the walls - decorated by freemason George Herzog in the 1890's, many years before Coral Castle was built - Edward Leedskalnin would have been about 4 years old at the time.

http://www.code144.com/leedskalnin-freemasons.php

Here are the images in question:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4518

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4519

size_of_light

19-07-2009, 04:49 PM

The bell on the left in the image below is the Tsar Bell, (from Wikipedia) "a huge bell on display on the grounds of the Moscow Kremlin. The bell was commissioned by Empress Anna, niece of Peter the Great. The bell is currently the largest bell in the world,[1] weighing 216 tons, with a height of 6.14 m ( 20.1 ft) and diameter of 6.6 m ( 21.6 ft). It was founded from bronze by masters Ivan Motorin and his son Mikhail in 1733–1735. Ornaments, portraits, and inscriptions were made by V. Kobelev, P. Galkin, P. Kokhtev, P. Serebryakov and P. Lukovnikov. The bell was never rung — during a fire in 1737, a huge slab (11.5 tons) cracked off while it was still in the casting pit.

After the fire, the bell remained in its casting for a century. In 1836, the Tsar bell was placed on a stone pedestal next to the Ivan the Great Bell Tower in the Moscow Kremlin. The slab is nearly three times larger than the world's largest bell hung for full circle ringing, the tenor bell at Liverpool Cathedral.

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For a time, the bell served as a chapel, with the broken area forming the door. There has apparently been some talk of recasting it.

According to a National Public Radio special on the bell, some Old Believers believe that on Judgement Day, it will be miraculously repaired and lifted up to heaven, where it will ring the blagovest (call to prayer).

Tsar Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4520

Is there a possible connection? Note the doorway in both bells. Could the Tsar Bell have been purposely designed like this to symbolise something else? A levitation device/interdimensional portal powered by the secrets of magnetism?

Perhaps the 'open door' symbolises the fact that 'they' have entered this world and are still here and "on Judgement Day, it will be miraculously repaired (they re-enter it and close the door) and lifted up to heaven, where it will ring the blagovest (call to prayer)."

size_of_light

19-07-2009, 07:57 PM

Like it's Russian counterpart, the most famous bell in America is also cracked, and has a mysterious history.

One of the more popular dates of the Liberty Bell's cracking is July 8, 1835, when the bell was tolled during the funeral procession of Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Marshall. Although newspaper accounts give details of the funeral, there is no mention of the Liberty Bell cracking. The earliest versions of this story appear in Thompson Westcott's The Official Guide Book to Philadelphia: A New Handbook for Strangers and Citizens published in 1876 for the Centennial Exhibition. Also, the custodian of Independence Hall, Frank M. Etting, announced in March 1876 that he learned that the bell was cracked in 1835 while tolling the death of Chief Justice Marshall. Neither source provides documentation to support their claims.

http://www.libertybellmuseum.com/resources/faqs.htm

A quick look at the link and you'll see, quite bizarrely, that no one seems to have the faintest clue when the Liberty Bell actually cracked, with multiple years and explanations given for how and when it occured. Seems odd. However if it did happen in 1835 as is most popularly held, that's only one year before the Tsar bell in Russia was first put on public display in 1836.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4523

Something symbolic going on here that ties in with the Masonic symbol in the centre?

limelady

19-07-2009, 10:52 PM

Great thread size! :)

My intuition tells me the bell is very significant. I think the bell shape was used for powering craft that were used as transporters for globe hopping, and possibly off=planet and possibly interdimensional jumps to 'other' locations. I think the ancients knew the secrets of magnetism very well, and its been a closely guarded secret held within secret societies ever since. I do think Edward Leedskalnin (builder of Coral Castle) learnt the secret, possibly through affiliation with the Masons.

I do believe the secret of magnitism was known by the builders of the Great.pyramid in Egypt.

size_of_light

19-07-2009, 11:00 PM

Thanks LL, I think you're right. It's something I'm becoming more and more interested in because I think there are probably a lot of clues staring us right in the face that still haven't been properly recognised.

BTW, I've just noticed an image on the Tsar Bell that looks to me a lot like a 'reptillian entity' presiding over the 'doorway' to the chamber.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4525

Any thoughts? Feedback and contributions encouraged. :D

limelady

19-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Well unlike others, I don't believe the reptilians were our creators and there is evidence in Genesis to support this (i.e. "let us make man in our image". if we looked like our gods we would all look reptilian)......so my take is that the Anunnaki were tall, fair-skinned beings who were responsible for creating us (who look like them) along with a warrior race they created out of different DNA mixed with their own - i.e reptilian. I believe a small group of the Anunnaki's warrior race went rabid and remained here in secret after their genetic engineerer Masters left the planet....and are still here to this day as the bloodline families who believe they have the right to rule over us humans, whom they consider a lesser being than themselves.

This being the case, it would stand to reason they would have known the secrets of their Masters, and would therefore guard this information closely within their own ranks so it would never fall into the hands of us 'lesser' beings. If we knew all these ancient secrets, they could no longer have any hold over us would they? Perhaps this race of aggressive, ego-centric purpose-built warriors eventually learnt all they needed to know to run their own masters off this planet? Is this what happened to the Anunnaki? Why they suddenly left and we haven't seen them since? Do they now live in fear of their Anunnaki's masters return?

Dunno, but one thing's for sure, these bastards like to boast don't they, so they leave the little tell-tale signs of their secrets and power over us in their symbolism all over the planet!

Are they using this possible technology now? Do they have working models of the bell-shaped transporter today? How many reports of bell-shaped UFO's have been reported?

http://ufocasebook.com/japan4large.jpg

Very interesting subject, but I'll stop now so my post isn't too long! :o

lightgiver

19-07-2009, 11:38 PM

Vajra Bell Lesson by a Lineage Master - YouTube

Not sure which lineage?but hes good on the bell :D

In Tantric Buddhism the dorje represents a thunderbolt. The bell symbolizes the diamond. Some deities are shown holding each part of the vajra in separate hands, this symbolizes the union of the forces of compassion and wisdom.

The vajra destroys all kinds of ignorance, and itself is indestructible. In tantric rituals the Vajra symbolizes the male principle which represents method in the right hand and the BELL symbolizes the female principle, which is held in the left. Their interaction leads to enlightenment. Also the Dorje or Vajra represents the "Upaya" or method Tibetans name Vajra as "Dorje". When made to be worn as a pendant, it reminds the wearer, and the viewer, of the supreme indestructibility of knowledge.

A bell can be eight, twelve, sixteen, eighteen or twenty two finger-widths in height. Its base must be round, above which is a vase surmounted by the face of the goddess Prajnaparamita. Above these are a lotus, a moon disc and finally a vajra.

The hollow of the bell symbolizes the wisdom cognizing emptiness(where is the sound);). The clapper represents the sound of emptiness. The eight lotus petals are the four mothers and four goddesses and the vase represents the vase containing the nectar of accomplishment.

Paired with the vajra the bell represents wisdom, and as wisdom and method are an undivided unity so the vajra and bell are never parted or employed separately.

http://www.tibet.com/Buddhism/3objects.html

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/bud_vajra.htm

John E Mack about the Dalai Lama's views about UFOs and aliens - YouTube

stewart edwards

19-07-2009, 11:50 PM

one thing's for sure, these bastards like to boast don't they, so they leave the little tell-tale signs of their secrets and power over us in their symbolism all over the planet!Ummm, good job that they do for they have helped me grow to where I am today.:D

size_of_light

19-07-2009, 11:54 PM

Four bell-shaped UFOs appear in MD photo
Roger Marsh, UFO Examiner
April 10, 2009

A Maryland witness is reporting some odd bell-shaped objects in the sky that appeared in a photo taken April 5, according to a report filed with the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) database.

Three of the objects were silver, the witness stated, and one was black.

The witness said he did not observe these objects with the naked eye, but only discovered them after browsing the images later.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4526

The bell-shaped UFO account does pop up occassionally in reports, although not quite as often as disc or triangular-shaped objects. The most famous case of a bell, or acorn-shaped object, was the UFO that fell from the sky in what appeared by multiple witnesses to be a controlled landing on Dec. 9, 1965, in a wooded area in Kecksburg, PA. The Kecksburg object, as we know, was retreived by the military that same night and, with armed guards standing by, moved out of the area under a tarp on a flatbed truck.

No official analysis of that object was ever released by the U.S. government, although many ufologists have tried to get beyond the weather balloon theory.

The following is the unedited witness statement from the MUFON content management system (CMS).

This case may be under investigation by Maryland MUFON State Director Sheila C. Smith. Please remember that many UFOs can be explained as something natural or manmade. If Maryland MUFON follows up with a case report, we will give you those details here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4527

Maryland, April 5, 2009 - We saw 3 silver and 1 black bell like objects(right side of the Moon).

We saw 3 silver and 1 black bell like objects(right side of the Moon) in the photo taken on 5th April09.

We doubt that this could be an UFO. We want a proper person to investigate this.

We've not seen this in naked eye. We've seen this when we were browsing through our snaps.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner~y2009m4d10-Four-bellshaped-UFOs-appear-in-MD-photo

deafbred

20-07-2009, 12:11 AM

thanks for this thread. ---i don't know what to think. does it matter? its obvious people already know all there is to know concerning this 'knowledge'

but whats the deal? -- are they waiting for someone to put the puzzle together? why? why when they already have the knowledge and know how it all works? its obvious they do because of all the symbolism and antagonizing preformed thought structures, controlled in a flaunt, daily and into the night, an awareness peaked out into the ignorance spectrum spell, waiting for some kind of deliverer or person to fit the cast ...

i think its nieve to think we were born in this day and age and that we are some how special and privileged and or talented to be the ones or 'one' to figure things out and solve the problem which seems so obviously set out and up on a dinner plate in a prearranged fashion order that
mostly feels like a SETUP--- or a .. WALL that is has been known to will be have to CRASH DOWN because of time destination inevitability of person place and THING.

i think others in the past totally GOT what they were saying and FIGURED IT OUT.. how this GRAND MASTER of knowledgability intertwines with aspects concerning EGYPT and the like, but were killed because it wasn't the RIGHT TIME for THEIR GRAND PLAN to take place.

their waiting for some kind of MESSIAH but a FALSE ONE. The Anti-CHRIST. The knower of THIS WORLD. Who has the ability to CONNECT THE DOTS and unravel the MYSTERY because of .. "BEING THE ONE"

The Super natural. "The Natural"

Someone to Play the Game and be 'Just in time' for the Show of Shows to take place, because they are sick of HESITATE and 'delay'

They want this RULER and this .. NEW AGE. To take PLACE.. in '''THEIR''' Generation. It's been a PLan in the works for centuries.. handed down.. and.. been being BUiLt. Upwards to this POINT to where it will FALL .. and fail.. but what Fun it was .. illustrating and participating in the GREAT DECEPTION through the years. what power it brings presently and undoubtedly will bring totally universal when the globe in entrenched in the apex.

are they looking for the New Master of the Universe, or Age? some 'person' chosen by God because of insights that only a privileged anointed person can attain through having the direct sight of God the creator on/in his mind?

are they looking for a Jesus like Messiah AND a "Anti-Christ"?

or just ONE? Anti-Christ?

You see.. its like.. THEY are WANTING us to FIGURE it out.. so they can USHER in their GRAND FINALE.. but they can't DIRECTLY tell us how it is or how it all works because if they did.. that would mess up the whole GAME that has been onslaughting through the many years.

timing is EVERYTHING. if certain things aren't in place and BALANCED.. it won't work. it won't BE REAL.

its in EVERYTHING they do.. the commercials.. the logos.. the HINTS.. the DIRECTION.. even though they have all this bombardment of 'PROFANE' to distract us from WHAT IS TAKING PLACE.. its like they are separating the weak from the strong. or making it so.. that it is difficult for us commoners to achieve this END GOAL DATE of .. FINALE of BABYLON.

THEY know it will fall and great it will be, but they don't want it to take place.. unless it need be. It is going to happen when it happens, and they know this. But when it happens, it will be because we overcame or it got to close to the wires edge .. that they had to pull the plug and bring on their world gov.

either way.. no matter what happens.. there will be a battle of two sides. the "PROFANE" and .. the GOOD.

they are trying to get as much PROFANE on their sides as possible. as to have greater strength through numbers and keep us 'GOOD' triumphers from OBTAINING - KING of THE HILL

they are breaking us up continually .. -- this serves their purpose .. to DELAY... the END.. but they want the end to come.. because then they can RULE.. WORLDLY -- or maybe they already are.. and we don't recognize its in our face.

they're scared to death the end will come. they're so scared. so they put the fear in us. its all they got.

i know the end is going to arrive in my life time. i may be 90 years old, skin and bones, riding a horse. but .. i know i won't die, and not see the arrival of CHRIST on this earth.

... they don't want to see christ. they want to rule forever. and keep time going, for generations, and generations, and generations. this is why they give us movies 'The Happening' .. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" .. because.. they know whats inevitable. and they know what they're going to do when certain things take place. they are already doing it. and preparing. but are american's ready for god to rein on this earth? no. the elite want it that way. the less ready we are.. the more it works to their advantage. this is why we get educations of folly, and entertainings of entrapment hallow shallow baseball religion or football fame in the eyes of games.. the way to relate to hesitate the gates.

the day is close. so near. not far away. the day. today. when today remains. forever. eternal. no dark. sharks cast out.

they are building for a war. a great war. Armageddon. They're ruler SATAN. They're Worshipful Master. -They hate Christ. They hate God. They know their is a God. But they deny him by their works/deeds.

Freemasonry knows the architecture of this world, current realm we are living. Secret knowledge sect.. cut your tongue out truths.

Dare it be revealed.

all that they have 'steeled'.

the peel is getting to the core.

why do they give us movies like The Last Mimzy?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/The_Last_Mimzy.jpg/200px-The_Last_Mimzy.jpg
The Last Mimzy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Last Mimzy is a 2007 science fiction family film directed by Bob Shaye and loosely adapted from the acclaimed 1943 science fiction short story "Mimsy Were the Borogoves" authored by Lewis Padgett (the pseudonym of husband and wife team Henry Kuttner and C. L. Moore). The Last Mimzy centers on two children, Noah (Chris O'Neil) and Emma (Rhiannon Leigh Wryn) Wilder, who develop preternatural powers when they encounter a mysterious box containing strange devices, presumed to be toys.

Presented as a flashback, The Last Mimzy is the story of a distant future's attempt to avert a catastrophic ecological disaster that has destroyed their world. High tech devices, masquerading as toys, are sent back in time into the hands of Noah and Emma, two children who live with their parents Jo (Joely Richardson) and David (Timothy Hutton) in early 21st century Seattle. The "toys" are mostly incomprehensible to Emma and Noah, except for what appears to be a stuffed rabbit named Mimzy. Sensing the strangeness of the devices, the children initially keep their discovery a secret from their parents.

Interaction with the devices causes the children to develop increased intelligence and psychic capabilities, including teleportation of objects, telepathy, levitation, telekinesis, and the ability to communicate with arthropods. Emma becomes emotionally attached to Mimzy, from which she learns how to further operate the devices. The children's unusual abilities and Emma's obsessive attachment to Mimzy soon alert their parents and schoolteachers to the devices; later, a power black-out of the entire Pacific northwest caused by the toys alerts the FBI to their activities as well. The family is held for questioning, and it is revealed that Mimzy is actually an advanced form of artificial life utilizing nanotechnology created by Intel Corporation. Mimzy has brought a message from humanity's future, which Emma explains to mean that pollution has corrupted humanity's DNA. Many rabbits like Mimzy were sent to the past, but none had successfully returned; Mimzy is the last one remaining. Mimzy explains to the children that they must use the toys as a time machine to return her to the future with uncorrupted 21st century DNA, which the people of the future can use to correct the damage to their DNA caused by the ecological problems.

Despite attempts by an unbelieving FBI to hinder them, Noah and Emma use their psychic powers to escape with Mimzy and the other objects and are able to activate the time portal by which Mimzy can return to the future. Fortunately, Mimzy carries with it a tear of Emma's, thus providing the pure DNA required to prevent the disaster. In the new future, Emma is revered as the "mother" of all the present generations, and the children exhibit the same psychic gifts that Emma had developed. The world has become a more beautiful place, where it is presumed that humanity has integrated better into the natural ecosystems.
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in that movie they have spinning toys, perpetual like motion machines, vortex's.

kids figure it out, how to use the toys, and something about a kid talking about a spider web and how he figured out how to do something by studying the spiders web. sacred geometry. had dreams in his sleep. and presented it in a science fair project in school.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/ErnestHemmingway_ForWhomTheBellTolls.jpg

This novel is told primarily through the thoughts and experiences of Robert Jordan, a character inspired by Hemingway's own experiences in the Spanish Civil War. Robert Jordan is an American who travels to Spain to oppose the fascist forces of Francisco Franco.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1384/1286640154_a994502001.jpg?v=0

For Whom the Bell Tolls.....

are they waiting for someone to Ring the Bell, Sound the Alarm?

http://sam2.altervista.org/Immagini/Immagini%20foto/Phila%20Photoelement/images/The-Liberty-Bell.jpg

is there a wait for someone to fix the crack? to fix things?

things are broken right now. they already know and have the ability to ufo fly plane around anti-gravity. i have no doubt about this.

why would they kill kill kill in order to keep it such a hidden secret.. yet flaunt the symbolism so much right in front of our face?

it has nothing to do with worldly aspects and healing as more as it does with some kind of spiritual significance

you can't just have one and not have the other. its got to be balanced. and right now.. the scales are rigged.. and for good reason.

but that reason is doomed to pass away.

a lie can't stand forever.

no thing hidden won't be brought to the light.

they are scared as hell. but they are going down fighting.

they will give you their messiah and say "hey, its a new age, we can heal the earth and have world peace" but it won't be nuthing but another con.

the last con job

and it freaks me out knowing how many people they are going to deceive. but i guess they won't be worthy. as long as they keep loving this 'world' and are not worried about their eternal soul.

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"ring twice" hmm...

i think the bell ringing twice is some kind of resonance.. vibration.. sending out the Ying and the Yang.. in a timing manner way that balances the motion flow of the alternating currents, north and south poled individual magnets.

bridging the gap. the crack. bouncing back and fourth. its like when you are walking.. and one foot goes in front of the other.. then the next one. right to left.. left to right.. right then left.. left then right.. like a butter fly flapping its wings or a small insect Bzzzing its flight.. up down up down up down up.. down up down up down up down.

a perfect symbiotic wave that cuts through in between the gravity of Ying Yang.

balance. weightlessness. crickets.. --- fill in the gap, the space between us. connect the bridge. back and fourth.. side to side.. vibe

tweet tweet. "its in nature" the way the trees grow. the roots underground.. the tree branches in the sky. 2 different worlds. balanced.. opposing forces.

doe ray me fa so la ti doe

doe ti la so fa me ray doe

SYMMETRY

"RING TWICE"

both end of the spectrum covered

balance

one coming the other going

one going the other coming

switching reversing orbiting forever

on off on off
off on off on

alternating

twisting around, interwoven

around back again

behind, in front

in front, behind

just cause you can't see it doesn't mean its not there

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cruise4

20-07-2009, 12:15 AM

Total shot in the dark... frequency. 8Khz and initiation?

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 12:44 AM

Total shot in the dark... frequency. 8Khz and initiation?

Can you explain that some more, cruise?

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 12:45 AM

Ummm, good job that they do for they have helped me grow to where I am today.:D

stewart, as a Mason are you familiar with this symbol?

cruise4

20-07-2009, 01:00 AM

According to Ananda Bosman who I'm finding incredibly revealing just now, 8Khz is our frequency although I've got to go through a load more stuff to be sure of that... it's a lot of info to take in all at once, so excuse me if I haven't quite got an aspect correct. He was on about healing works... by reminding our body of this frequency. Then there's pyramids and tunnels and darkness all related to initiation. Then there's the brotherhood of the bell and Nazi stuff related to UFO's... so frequency seems worth a consideration perhaps? All relates to the kaballah tree of life and aspects and nodes of our heart.

I also came across this...

http://www.ellisctaylor.com/HELLSBELLS.html

Just reading it now.

I've seen the magnetism and free energy angle previously and the suggestion of a wooden pyramid on the apparent 'handle' at Coral Castle but it doesn't sit right somehow. Then there's the frequency thing with tibetan monks moving stones and geometry.

It's all interesting stuff but I don't feel I've seen a likely full explanation just yet. Maybe we can piece something together to further the quest on this thread. Tricky bugger that Ed :D

Another interesting thing that hadn't occurred to me. I had been looking at say, my fingers and seeing the fibonacci sequence as a linear thing, but again from ananda I see it's an energy fractality thing, think concentric circles radiating out from our heart with fibonacci divisions upon which 'we fit'. Could a bell set up such concentric frequency fields? Very hard to explain. I strongly suggest watching the videos. Starts off difficult but gets progressively more understandable. It's Hadron Mechanics and my initial reaction is this is what the masons are at least partly about. As usual they are keeping mum :D

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 01:04 AM

Great work cruise. This is the sort of thing I was hoping to start getting more info on. Bruce Cathie is another one, I think, who goes into detail about Tibetan monks using drums and sound to levitate large stones.

deca

20-07-2009, 01:07 AM

Magnetism --Judgement Day......electronic harassment...................electronic Judgement Day

Thats all you ear , are getting out of me

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 01:08 AM

Magnetism --Judgement Day......electronic harassment...................electronic Judgement Day

Thats all getting out of me

Total electromagnetic control of people's thoughts = Judgement day?

limelady

20-07-2009, 01:11 AM

According to Ananda Bosman who I'm finding incredibly revealing just now, 8Khz is our frequency although I've got to go through a load more stuff to be sure of that... it's a lot of info to take in all at once, so excuse me if I haven't quite got an aspect correct. He was on about healing works... by reminding our body of this frequency. Then there's pyramids and tunnels and darkness all related to initiation. Then there's the brotherhood of the bell and Nazi stuff related to UFO's... so frequency seems worth a consideration perhaps? All relates to the kaballah tree of life and aspects and nodes of our heart.

I also came across this...

http://www.ellisctaylor.com/HELLSBELLS.html

Just reading it now.

I've seen the magnetism and free energy angle previously and the suggestion of a wooden pyramid on the apparent 'handle' at Coral Castle but it doesn't sit right somehow. Then there's the frequency thing with tibetan monks moving stones and geometry.

It's all interesting stuff but I don't feel I've seen a likely full explanation just yet. Maybe we can piece something together to further the quest on this thread. Tricky bugger that Ed :D

Another interesting thing that hadn't occurred to me. I had been looking at say, my fingers and seeing the fibonacci sequence as a linear thing, but again from ananda I see it's an energy fractality thing, think concentric circles radiating out from our heart with fibonacci divisions upon which 'we fit'. Could a bell set up such concentric frequency fields? Very hard to explain. I strongly suggest watching the videos. Start off difficult but gets progressively more understandable. It' Hadron Mechanics and my initial reaction is this is what the masons are at least partly about. As usual they are keeping mum :D

All great food for thought cruise!

Wasn't there a movie made some time back called The Brotherhood of The Bell? I'll see if I can dig it up!

Yes, Cathie and others have mentioned how Tibetan monks have been witnessed moving large rocks with some form of frequency which effects magnitism. We need to try and dig that up too!

This thread is getting moree interesting every time I look! :D

lady_oblivion

20-07-2009, 01:21 AM

This is a very interesting thread! To add my bit i use a bell during certain workings/rituals. The vibrations from them can clear the mind and are good for sonicially cleansing a space.

cruise4

20-07-2009, 01:24 AM

Yes, Cathie and earth's energy grid seems to be a vital component in this 'great work'. From what I can tell the obelisks and perhaps wells, steeples, masonic cities etc. are all part of an energy distribution network. Rituals fit right in as does cathedrals and worship.

Something else worth bearing in mind... everything 'out' there relates to us on the inside so whilst things are all set up to star patterns etc. it also relates to something within us... an evolutionary movement of some sort?

Crazy thought... I say us, but if the earth is a being it could be 'her'.

And my last comment for the night... the vedic manuscripts need a good examining :D

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 01:33 AM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4523

Something symbolic going on here that ties in with the Masonic symbol in the centre?

Yes someone in meditation with the central channel visible,is that what you meant?:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_(yoga)

The ability to balance Ida and Pingala,
and cause Prana to flow in Sushumna
is the most essential preparation for
Meditation and Kundalini Awakening.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5117/mdvajrayoginiqg8.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/mdvajrayoginiqg8.jpg/)

lady_oblivion

20-07-2009, 01:38 AM

lady_oblivion

20-07-2009, 01:40 AM

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze10b.html

have found this so far though still reading through it.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 01:42 AM

i can see what you mean with the middle one lighbringer. Reminds me of chakra meditation when you open each one and pull the energy up your hara line urmmm.

I have been looking into sound, vibration and there effect reecently. Vibration i understand as i work with energy myself and sound can have a huge effect on you. Will see if i can digout the sotry about the monks bound to be on google somewhere.

Hi :)

Check this out,Tantric Grounds and Paths:http://www.tharpa.com/us/book-Tantric.Grounds.and.Paths-564.html

I reckon the Higher levels of masonry and other secret society's know about all this.

Its all out there we just have to access it.

deafbred

20-07-2009, 01:43 AM

i finished my post

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1130620&postcount=10

lady_oblivion

20-07-2009, 01:49 AM

Well strangely enough those things are totally avialible to us. The people who hide in the secreat societies so be it. With the age of the internet and free sharing of information they really are getting a little outdated if i'm perfectly honest. Symbolism is a huge thing it is everywhere you look and it draws our attention to certain things

For 17 years i've worked on expanding my conciousness and becoming a free person. I'm incredibly spritual and i have done this mainly by myself LOL.

Ohh and that book looks fab. Will check it out. I do love playing with vibration and how it reacts and changes the world around you!

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 01:53 AM

Yes someone in meditation with the central channel visible,is that what you meant?:)

Probably lightgiver. :) Meditation posture, vajra bells, stupas, the bell in the Masonic image, levitational craft...I think there must be a fundamental connection between all of them.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 01:55 AM

i finished my post

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1130620&postcount=10

Check Post 7174 ;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2257&page=718

Interesting Post.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 01:56 AM

Probably lightgiver. :) Meditation posture, vajra bells, stupas, the bell in the Masonic image, levitational craft...I think there must be a fundamental connection between all of them.

It appears that way:)

Maybe Masons really do worship aliens :eek:;)if aliens exist ,and I am sure there are other lifeforms in our vast consciousness,I mean universe.

Maybe that's how they fly their CRAFT,telepathically speaking.

The Picture you posted is definitely a person in meditative posture with the Sushumna visible seated within the double tetrahedron or phenomena source or star of david or hex or whatever one wants to label it.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 02:09 AM

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze10b.html

have found this so far though still reading through it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14414&page=84

deafbred

20-07-2009, 02:27 AM

Magnetism --Judgement Day......electronic harassment...................electronic Judgement Day

Thats all you ear , are getting out of me

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do [that] which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: [yea], and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

Dan 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

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Job 5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform [their] enterprise.

Job 21:27 Behold, I know your thoughts, and the devices [which] ye wrongfully imagine against me.

Psa 10:2 The wicked in [his] pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

Psa 33:10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.

Psa 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

Pro 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

Pro 12:2 A good [man] obtaineth favour of the LORD: but a man of wicked devices will he condemn.

Pro 14:17 [He that is] soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated.

Pro 19:21 [There are] many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.

Isa 32:7 The instruments also of the churl [are] evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

Jer 11:19 But I [was] like a lamb [or] an ox [that] is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, [saying], Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.

Jer 18:12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.

Jer 18:18 Then said they, Come, and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.

2Cr 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Devices
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Main Entry:
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Date:
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Israeli Air Force Drone
http://www.israelnewsradio.net/images/drone.jpg
"Drones are assuming an important role in the defense of Israel's skies...

There have been some interesting incidents taking place over the Holy Land... "

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1123894&postcount=16398

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1122959&postcount=16369

lady_oblivion

20-07-2009, 02:27 AM

Thank you lightbringer! Will work my way through those tommorow at a more reasonable time LOL.

mike martin

20-07-2009, 09:06 AM

Can anyone explain the meaning behind the star and bell symbol featured here? I'm particularly interested in what the bell represents and if that same motif appears elsewhere in Masonry and/or if it's derived from earlier sources.

Here are the images in question:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4519

I saw the title of this and thought "that looks interesting what bell is he talking about". I am now torn between telling you what it is and asking why on earth you think it's a bell.

Mike

mike martin

20-07-2009, 09:07 AM

stewart, as a Mason are you familiar with this symbol?

I also have to ask why you think Stewart is a Mason?

Maybe the two are linked.

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 09:38 AM

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 09:42 AM

Hi Mike. Please go ahead and explain what it is. Why on earth do I think it's a bell? Because it looks like a bell to me. I don't have any emotional investment in it being a bell so feel free to drop a bombshell here.

I also have to ask why you think Stewart is a Mason?

Maybe the two are linked.

Stewart isn't a Mason? OK. Apologies Stewart. Don't know why I thought that. As long as someone in the know can shed some light on it, it doesn't matter.

grandsecretary

20-07-2009, 09:43 AM

Stop teasing them Mike. An interesting thread, but the time has come to spoil the party - sorry!

That shape is not a bell, it is a level, as in square, level and plumb rule. It is one of the "working tools" of a Mason.

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 09:45 AM

Mike asks a good question size_of_light.

While it is true that many freemasons have called me/corresponded with me as brother including some very high ranking ones (in terms of active grand lodge office), as you know from Mike and Grandsecretary here, there are many who do consider me to be a profane man and not a mason. I have never been initiated into a lodge or any esoteric society and was infact rejected by a lodge under ugle (Mikes GL).

From my perspective it has been darn confusing over the years, but I just take it as a compliment and a measure of respect.

I am however, like mike, interested in why you think that I am a mason.

I've probably seen you on Mason threads in the past and got the quick impression that you were one. I don't spend much time on this topic and didn't give it a lot of thought. If it's caused you or your family any great distress then I humbly apologise. :D

Now, onto the symbol....what is it? Any thoughts stewart?

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 09:47 AM

stewart, ...... are you familiar with this symbol?The short answer would be no.

It is not one that has "hit me in the face". Given the posts on this thread I will say that I am very much into ufos and strongly believe that aliens have been visiting us for millenia. Some years ago I wrote an unpublished book that has half a dozen chapters about this sort of stuff. Perhaps one day it will be published.

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 09:48 AM

That shape is not a bell, it is a level, as in square, level and plumb rule. It is one of the "working tools" of a Mason.

Excellent, thanks GS. A quick Google search under 'Masonic level' brings it up straight away. Much appreciated.

So you guys are levitating levels through the secret powers of magnetism passed onto you by UFOs, right?

Don't be coy.

mike martin

20-07-2009, 10:01 AM

Excellent, thanks GS. A quick Google search under 'Masonic level' brings it up straight away. Much appreciated.

So you guys are levitating levels through the secret powers of magnetism passed onto you by UFOs, right?

Unsurprisingly, to an actual Freemason, the stone Masons' level is a symbol representing equality.

Mike

grandsecretary

20-07-2009, 10:02 AM

Excellent, thanks GS. A quick Google search under 'Masonic level' brings it up straight away. Much appreciated.

So you guys are levitating levels through the secret powers of magnetism passed onto you by UFOs, right?

Don't be coy.

One thing you cannot accuse Masons of being, is coy:

"The Level demonstrates that we are all sprung from the same stock, are partakers of the same nature and sharers of the same hope; and although distinctions among men are necessary to preserve subordination, yet ought no eminence of station make us forget that we are Brothers, for he who is placed on the lowest spoke of Fortune's wheel is equally entitled to our regard, for a time will come, and the best and wisest of us knows not how soon, when all distinctions save those of goodness and virtue shall cease, and Death, the grand leveller of all human greatness reduce us to the same estate." (SOURCE: Rituals of the Moderns form of freemasonry)

The level teaches the principle of "equality". In plain English, it doesn't matter how rich or successful you consider yourself to be in this world, always remember that we all end up in exactly the same state - dead.

A nice thought to start the week!

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 10:13 AM

Thanks again, GS.

Would you agree that a level could also be interpreted as a cross-section depiction of a bell?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4529

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 10:26 AM

Unsurprisingly, to an actual Freemason, the stone Masons' level is a symbol representing equality.

Mike

This is something I was unaware of until now so thanks for contributing also.

I'm wondering if the symbol (like a lot of symbols - nothing personal against Freemasonry) actually has a deeper esoteric meaning, i.e. it actually represents a cross-section bell. I think it's possible, what about you?

grandsecretary

20-07-2009, 10:27 AM

Thanks again, GS.

Would you agree that a level could also be interpreted as a cross-section depiction of a bell?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4529

Not really because the way it is used requires flat surfaces. It is just, a level. By the way, that line down the middle with the blob at the bottom is a representation of a plomb (or lead line) ensuring that the surface that it stands on is level.

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 10:29 AM

Not really because the way it is used requires flat surfaces. It is just, a level. By the way, that line down the middle with the blob at the bottom is a plomb (or a lead line) ensuring that the surface that stands on is level.

OK. Thanks.

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 10:50 AM

People in Kecksburg want to resolve what fell from the sky in 1965

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4530

A model of the crashed object, originally created for the show Unsolved Mysteries, and put on display near the Kecksburg fire station. (source: Wikipedia)

Sunday, March 09, 2003

KECKSBURG, Pa. -- Dec. 9, 1965. A day that will live in incongruity.

That was the late afternoon when something -- or nothing -- shot from the heavens over this south edge of Westmoreland County and landed -- or didn't -- in a gully a mile outside of town.

Really. It came down, an acorn-shaped something a size up from a Volkswagen Beetle, some insist.

Bunk, say others.

In the intervening 37 years, the dispute busted up a few friendships. Even now, pair Kecksburg and UFO in a sentence and it kick-starts a back-and-forth, said Kathy Leeper, bartender at the local firefighters club.

"They were talking about it just the other night," she said.

So, now come UFO sleuths, figuring to settle this by getting as much of the public behind them as they can and demanding a look at the record.

Except that key elements of the record, if there is much of one, may be locked away in government files. And the UFO sleuths, a coalition of cash, legal expertise and ardor for probing the supernormal, figure that getting at it will take a major petition drive, a congressional investigation and maybe some legal muscle.

"This case is so incredibly fascinating," said Leslie Kean, a San Francisco-area freelance journalist whose writing on UFOs appeared from opinion pages of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution to news pages of the Boston Globe. "Even now, the trail is not cold."

For years, retiree Robert Bitner, former Kecksburg fire chief, a man who believes that something noteworthy fell from the sky, hasn't spoken with his brother-in-law. He maintains only a nodding acquaintance with neighbor and fellow ex-fire chief Ed Myers. It's a cold war born of the UFO dispute.

"I'd love to know what the government knows about it," Bitner said. "It might help us end this thing for good."

That's end, not forget.

The Roswell of Pa.

What looks like a Bunyanesque brown acorn perched on a platform next to the fire hall is actually a 7-foot replica of what believers say they saw -- modeled a dozen years ago for the television show "Unsolved Mysteries," then put on permanent display here.

North of town, the twisting township route closest to the purported crash site has been renamed Meteor Road.

The records hunt begins with a newly launched online petition drive, at www.signpetition.com, to persuade Congress to put its General Accounting Office on the case, a gambit that Kean said might shake lose records that the general public hasn't seen.

Then, through a law firm doing freedom-of-information work, the coalition would sue where it felt government agencies shortchanged requests for declassified files on Kecksburg.

The drive is being bankrolled by television's SciFi Channel, where fare ranges from "The Twilight Zone" reruns to the ultimate vision of the American melting pot, a serial about space aliens blending in with the Roswell, N.M., locals.

This isn't about Kecksburg's promotional value to SciFi, channel Special Projects Director Larry Landsman vowed. "We're committed to solving this," he said.

Along with reporter Kean, the records hunt includes Greensburg resident Stan Gordon, 53, an electronics salesman and, since age 16, gumshoe tracking the unexplained.

Gordon's pursuit of enigmas ranging from UFOs to Bigfoot, detailed at his Web site, www.westol.com/~paufo/, brings 200 e-mails a day and "phone calls at 2, 3, 4 in the morning," he said. His Kecksburg inquiry, begun when he was a teenager, has yielded reams of files and produced a 92-minute, $25 videotape, "Kecksburg: The Untold Story," a 1998 production bearing the tag line "New Mexico has Roswell, but in Pennsylvania it was Kecksburg."

Sales, he said, "have been in the hundreds."

"I keep an open mind," said Gordon, who recites Kecksburg particulars with edge-of-his-seat urgency, " ... but something of military importance seems to have fallen."

He has critics.

Between me and trees

Ed Myers, fire chief in 1965, complains that Gordon "turned this into a circus." And Bob Young, an amateur astronomer who lectures at the state planetarium in Harrisburg and studied the Kecksburg puzzle, said people who insist that something slammed down outside town ignored hard evidence that the matter was much ado about a meteor that came nowhere close.

But the UFO case also has people dropping tantalizing hints.

Retiree Bob Schmidt, an amateur astronomer in Pittsburgh's North Hills, tells of a friend, wary of reporters, who worked with NASA and had associates who said they examined debris retrieved from Kecksburg.

"They said it looks very much like a Russian nose cone," Schmidt said.

Around Kecksburg, 300-some people strong, that's the talk that rumpuses are made of.

On that dreary 1965 afternoon, the episode began in a flash -- a "brilliant fireball" lighting the dusk sky, according to the next morning's Post-Gazette.

It was meteor, photographed by at least a couple earthlings, visible from Chicago to New York State to Virginia, astronomers Von Del Chamberlain and David Krause of Michigan State University wrote in a paper published 20 months later by the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada.

The space rock burst and vanished 15 miles southeast of Windsor, Ontario, but not before fooling spectators as it streaked into the horizon, Chamberlain wrote.

"Observers in several states were certain the object landed within a mile from them," he wrote in a follow-up paper for the state of Michigan's Geological Survey.

"Individuals often report: 'It definitely went between me and the nearby trees.' "

Actually, it did, says Bill Bulebush.

'Big, huge piece of metal'

Bulebush, 40 then, was home just outside Kecksburg, tinkering with his 1964 Corvair.

He saw the flaming whatever-it-was fly over, then double back "just like it was controlled," he said last week.

And when he watched it go down just north of town, Bulebush said, he drove off after it, up what's now Meteor Road.

There, maybe a quarter-mile into the woods, lay this thing -- burnt orange, maybe 10 feet long, shaped like an acorn, he said.

"It was smoldering and cracking, sparks coming off it ... no sign of life, with a sour smell, sort of like sulfur," Bulebush said.

It was half-buried, after tearing a trench into the ground with a belly-flop landing, he said.

"I went down and stood behind a tree and watched it ... 10 feet away," he said.

And when he heard people tramping through the woods, he said, he got scared and hightailed back home -- where wife, Betty Bulebush, concedes she met the story with enough lack of interest that "I kept watching TV."

James Romansky, now 57 and a disabled machinist living near Derry, insists he came upon it, too, as a volunteer firefighter, called from Lloydsville, 25 miles from Kecksburg, to comb woods for what was supposed to be a crashed plane.

In the flashlight beams, he said, he and a handful of searchers saw "one big, huge piece of metal buried in the mud ... goldish, copperish, yellow, quiet as a church mouse."

The wreckage bore markings Romansky likens to hieroglyphics. Nobody touched it.

"I'm running around, looking for bodies and scratching my head and my butt because there aren't any," Romansky said. "There's no loose pieces. This thing has no rivets, no portals, no way to get in and out."

Out of the dark came "two guys with crewcuts and trench coats," Romansky said. "And they said, 'This is quarantined. You get the hell out,' very loud and very adamant."

Then-Fire Chief Ed Myers' response, in a word: hooey.

"Afterward, there was no sign of it," he said. "There wasn't so much as a bird spot."

People who figure that something indeed hit the ground suggested origins ranging from extraterrestrials to a misfired NIKE missile to a remnant of Kosmos 96, a Soviet probe that was bound for Venus but, according to U.S. Space Command, crashed in Canada 14 hours earlier.

Like to get it resolved

No matter what the case, reporter Kean said, the case is ripe for investigation because it has living witnesses who saw something on the ground and three decades worth of evidence rounded up by Gordon.

"It's a very good case," she said.

Except that in Kecksburg, even what happened in plain sight is open to dispute.

U.S. Air Force documents tell of a three-man team coming from its Oakdale radar station, finding nothing and heading home in early morning.

Retired firefighter Bitner recalls seeing "a dozen" military men.

Carl Porch, whose farmland sits nearby, says there barely were any.

"There were all kind of military people," said Robert Gatty, now publishing a trade magazine in the Washington, D.C., suburbs, then a reporter with the Tribune-Review in Greensburg. "I couldn't get past them."

"And the government didn't send all them out because of some shooting star," Bitner said.

By Romansky's account, the military trucked out its find under tarp, on a flatbed truck, and commandeered the fire hall as a command post, stationing armed guards who turned him away when he tried to use the restroom.

Myers' response: More hooey. The firehouse was open and people jammed the social club, he said.

"We probably sold as much beer as we ever did because of all the people," he said.

So it goes. Storytellers question each others' credibility. Critics who turned up a criminal past that included theft and armed robbery scoff at Romansky's believability. Gordon defends him for offering corroborated detail. Allegations simmer of people massaging stories over the years.

If townspeople figure that the new push to open records will settle this, though, a spokesman for Kecksburg's congressman offers little hope. If there are files locked away and the government justified sealing them, said Brad Clemenson, aide to Rep. John Murtha, D-Johnstown, GAO probably won't find a rationale to unseal them.

That's not what a lot of people want to hear.

"This thing dies off, then it comes up," current Fire Chief Duane Hutter said. "Everybody'd like it if we got it resolved."

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/kecksburg_ufo_crash.html

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 11:08 AM

I haven't been able to find a source for the image below. I'm guessing it's a still from the Unsolved Mysteries recreation of the story and not an alleged real photo (otherwise it would be the most famous one in UFO history).

Anyway, I thought it looked too cool not to include:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4531

limelady

20-07-2009, 12:33 PM

In 1945, a mysterious Nazi secret weapons project code-named "The Bell" left its underground bunker in lower Silesia, along with all its project documentation, and a four-star SS general named Hans Kammler. Taken aboard a massive six-engine Junkers 390 ultra-long range aircraft, "The Bell," Kammler, and all project records disappeared completely, along with the gigantic aircraft. It is thought to have flown to America or Argentina. As a prelude to this disappearing act, the SS murdered most of the scientists and technicians involved with the project, a secret weapon that according to one German Nobel prize-winning physicist, was given a classification of "decisive for the war," a security classification higher than any other secret weapons project in the Third Reich, including its atomic bomb. What was "The Bell"? What new physics might the Nazis have discovered with it? How far did the Nazis go after the war to protect the advanced energy technology that it represented? In THE SS BROTHERHOOD OF THE BELL alternative science and history researcher Joseph P. Farrell reveals a range of exotic technologies the Nazis had researched, and challenges the conventional views of the end of World War Two, the Roswell incident, and the beginning of MAJIC-12, the government's alleged secret team of UFO investigators.

http://www.adventuresunlimitedpress.com/prodimages/large/SSBB.gif

lady_oblivion

20-07-2009, 12:39 PM

found a wiki link to do with that lime lady

Die Glocke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 12:53 PM

Great info, Ladies Lime and Oblivion.

From the Wikipedia article:

Function

While the purpose of The Bell is unknown, there is a wide range of speculation from anti-gravity to time travel.

Jan Van Helsing claims in his book Secret Societies that, in a meeting that was attended by the members of various secret orders (Vril Gesellschaft, Thule Society, SS elite of Black Sun) and two mediums, technical data for the construction of a flying machine was gathered along with the messages that were said to have come from the solar system Aldebaran.

One of Cook's scientist contacts in The Hunt for Zero Point, was a "Dr. Dan Marckus". (Cook states in his book that he has "blurred" Marckus' name and that he is "an eminent scientist attached to the physics department of one of Britain's best-known universities". Dr. Marckus claimed that The Bell was a torsion field generator and that the SS scientists were attempting to build some sort of time machine with it.

deca

20-07-2009, 01:00 PM

the bell - fly trap
http://www.team-delta.de/Bilder/kreis1.jpg

limelady

20-07-2009, 01:12 PM

found a wiki link to do with that lime lady

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke

Interesting, thankyou! :)

From the wiki article:

The device is described as metallic, approximately 9 feet wide and 12 to 15 feet high with a shape similar to a bell. It contained two counter-rotating cylinders filled with a substance similar to Mercury that glowed violet when activated, known only as Xerum 525[4] it has been speculated to be Red mercury.[5] When active, The Bell would emit strong radiation, which led to the death of several scientists[6] and various plant and animal test subjects.[4]

Farrell states:

The Bell was considered so important to the Nazis that they killed 60 scientists that worked on the project and buried them in a mass grave and the only reason we know about the Bell is that the SS General that was tasked with the murders, Jakob Sporrenberg, was tried after the war by a Polish War Crimes court for murdering his own people on what subsequently became Polish soil. So it's his Affidavit that gives us the story of the Bell.[7]

:eek:

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 01:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8e6wUfueBo

nazi ufo The Bell Documentry part 2 - YouTube

nazi ufo The Bell Documentry part 3 - YouTube

nazi ufo The Bell documentry part 4 - YouTube

nazi ufo The Bell documentry part 5 - YouTube

limelady

20-07-2009, 01:14 PM

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 01:19 PM

limelady

20-07-2009, 01:25 PM

http://www.asiaexplorers.com/thailand/bangkok/phrasiratana.jpg

Phra Si Ratana Chedi was constructed in 1855 under the orders of King Rama IV, to house relics of the Buddha received from Sri Lanka. It is part of the Wat Phra Kaeo Temple of the Emerald Buddha complex, in Bangkok.

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 01:27 PM

the bell - fly trap
http://www.team-delta.de/Bilder/kreis1.jpg

I'm learning this as I go along, but that's a photo of 'The Henge' in Poland where this craft was said to have been built and tested, right?

There's an interesting link on the abovetopsecret forum that discusses in detail why the story might not have any real substance to it - including posts by authors of relevant books - and suggests that the 'The Henge' is nothing more than "a cooling tower base, and not an apparatus used to support the nazi bell."

Well worth reading also.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread184684/pg1

I haven't watched the youtube clips I posted above yet, btw.

deca

20-07-2009, 01:36 PM

Die Glocke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When active, The Bell would emit strong radiation, which led to the death of several scientists[

sounds more like a Tesla/haarp/death ray/radar/ weapon

Forget Time travel etc.....that's disinformation happened in the Philadelphia project/ they wanted to make the ship stealth to radar, that's why it disappear off the radar screens

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 01:52 PM

Anyhow for anyone who is seriously interested in the macro level of esoterics then WW2 is a great case study. Forget about blokes doing rituals in the woods that is micro level stuff.

Excellent point. Michael Tsarion described wars as 'elaborate blood rituals' and I'd like to see some serious work done on examining various battles in WW2 for their possible ritualistic elements.

deca

20-07-2009, 02:15 PM

I'm learning this as I go along, but that's a photo of 'The Henge' in Poland where this craft was said to have been built and tested, right?

There's an interesting link on the abovetopsecret forum that discusses in detail why the story might not have any real substance to it - including posts by authors of relevant books - and suggests that the 'The Henge' is nothing more than "a cooling tower base, and not an apparatus used to support the nazi bell."

Well worth reading also.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread184684/pg1

I haven't watched the youtube clips I posted above yet, btw.
http://www.team-delta.de/Bilder/kreis1.jpg

hmm I don`t think they are water towers, First there is a lot of weight in water , them pillars don`t look strong enough.
Also you would expect a water tower to be tall and thin to make use of gravity to give the water pressure , these look wide and not that tall.

Second I think in N cooks document you saw electric cabling going to them, why would a water need them?

water towershttp://blog.al.com/goforth/Marvel%20Water%20Tower.jpg

http://www.oakparkdining.com/www.oakparkdining.com/images/large/riverside-il-water-tower-435x356.jpg

They are not water Towers.....why would somebody want people to believe that they are?
also the other extreme that "flying saucers" were some how lunched from them I don`t buy that ether , I think "flying saucers" would fly under there own steam

some type of Tesla coil is what I look into

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/TeslaWirelessIllustration.png

http://www.tesla.org/pics/tesla-tower3.jpg

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/factSheet.html
also haarp has Electric prime power is provided from an on-site power plant housing five, 2500 kW generators, each driven by a 3600 hp diesel engine.

limelady

20-07-2009, 02:27 PM

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 02:34 PM

Deca & LL,

I'm reading through the ATS thread I linked to and it's extremely detailed and comprehensive. There's no simple answer at the moment - both positions are very well explained and have supporting evidence. More and more info keeps coming to light.

limelady

20-07-2009, 02:44 PM

I found a little video discussing Nazi secret projects, including the bell, and there is a pic supposedly of the Henge/Fly Trap complete with cooling tower. Apparently the pictures in this video featured on the above top secret forum.

Avro Project Y2 and The Bell are they related? - YouTube

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 02:59 PM

'The Flytrap' seems to be the same structure as the cooling towers. The basic 'for' argument goes that it was dual-purpose and the Nazis may have used it as a cooling tower during the day to provide cover from Allied surveillance planes. There's also some conjecture on the ATS forum over whether The Bell was ever tested in The Flytrap, or only deep underground in the nearby mines.

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 03:08 PM

Here's a useful post from the ATS thread:

Correct, but keep in mind that the only source claiming the existance of "The Bell" is Polsih author Igor Witkowski so far. All he could tell about this device he allegedly read in some classified, unofficial Polish post-war trial records about an SS officer named Jakob Sporrenberg. No second person or any other hint about the existance of the "Bell" has shown up yet. That much to the "actual apparatus".

reply posted on 16-11-2008 @ 03:26 AM by sy.gunson

Not correct Golf Sierra. Jakob Sporrenberg was not just any officer. He was a Lieutenant General in the SS and head of the secret police in Norway.

en.wikipedia.org...

pl.wikipedia.org...

There is also corroboration in a postwar interrogation report of SS Hauptsturmfuhrer Rudolf Schuster held at the Berlin document centre about the Ju-390 being loaded near Schweidnitz in April 1945 with the bell for an evacuation flight to Bodo Norway.

During the Nuremberg trials British journalist and wartime intelligence officer Tom Agoston hid SS Col Dr Wilhelm Voss in his house. Whilst hiding there Voss also told Agoston in confidence about the Ju-390's evacuation of the bell. After Voss died, Agoston published his postwar interviews with Voss.

A further source is the Argentine Economic Minstry's Intelligence report about the Ju-390 landing in Entre Rios province in May 1945 to unload a "bell" device.

What is worthy of note is that prior to declassification of the Sporrenberg interrogations in 1998, nobody actually knew what the bell device was, therefore we have numerous historical references to the bell device, but it was Sporrenberg who actually explained what the device did.

Schuster disclosed that SS Scharfuhrer Dr Kurt Debus accompanied the bell device on it's flight from Silesia to Norway in 1945. It is not clear precisely where Debus was captured after the war, though his V-2 unit was based at Cuxhaven in 1945.

Dr Kurt Debus became the head of NASA's Cape Kennedy rocket launch station.

The henge like base of a cooling tower has nothing directly to do with the Bell itself. The bell was a centrifuge with two spherical bells which contra- rotated each other containing mercury. Special compouinds with violet or pinkish colour were placed in a porcelain vase at the centre of this centrifuge. As it was spun up the spheres were subjected to electrical fields and this ionised the mercury until it fluoresced an ionised gas plasma. The plasma affected the compound at it's centre and it was this compound which the Nazis were seeking.

One explanation which I have heard is that it resulted in a reagent liquid which when used with explosives created a huge fuel air explosive.

deca

20-07-2009, 03:09 PM

'The Flytrap' seems to be the same structure as the cooling towers. The basic 'for' argument goes that it was dual-purpose and the Nazi's may have used it as a cooling tower during the day to provide cover from Allied surveillance planes. There's also some conjecture on the ATS forum over whether The Bell was ever tested in The Flytrap, or only deep underground in the nearby mines.

I think a main reason is why is the "cooling tower" sited there?
if it was next to the power plant then nobody would known about this?
I not sure if the power plant has its own "cooling tower" or needed them

size_of_light

20-07-2009, 03:23 PM

I think a main reason is why is the "cooling tower" sited there?
if it was next to the power plant then nobody would known about this?
I not sure if the power plant has its own "cooling tower" or needed them

Yeah, I'm getting the sense that the tower was related to the project but that the Bell wasn't tested in it, so it could be a bit of a red herring.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 08:03 PM

i finished my post

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1130620&postcount=10

and interesting signature;)

In Plain view and all that,

One way to guess when you are close,the masons will come on the said thread and start throwing a spanner in the works.;)

do you hear me? the best is yet to come (7) "people said, you know what, we're just gunna ignore you" Rev 11:9 For three and a half days some from the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb,Rev 11:10 and those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth

(Book of Enoch, c. cv, p. 87, 88.) [Eth. nuah, long. ... 4 And God commanded Noah to make a bell (nagus, a flat piece of wood, suspended and beaten with a ...

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lightgiver

20-07-2009, 08:52 PM

WW2 is actually a very good tool for helping understand how esoterics works at the global level.

Very breifly:

Hard times fractured a nation and allowed the penetration of darker forces. These darker forces fed on the negative energy and used it as fuel to build a nation and power. From this base it expanded again feeding itself on the destruction caused. Darkness prevailed.

But then:-

1. The natural cycle completed itself through:-
2. Darkness over feeding and weakening itself. This allowed:-
3. Forces of light to land and make headway. This was then:-
4. Strengthened by the changing tide of spirit and will throughout Europe.

Sadly:-

As with all cycles they are by definition cyclical. The victors had a great responsibility for by taking authority over the darker forces they would need to ensure that darkness did not in time penetrate them. And this is the most natural thing to happen to anyone, you, me and the bloke next door with the ginger cat. Darkness does penetrate, leading to the well known phrase power corrupts the best of us.

Anyhow for anyone who is seriously interested in the macro level of esoterics then WW2 is a great case study. Forget about blokes doing rituals in the woods that is micro level stuff.

Then look at our world today at a macro level, it is absolutely facinating. Though a lot more complex. And you dont even need to consider "bloodlines", "elites" etc, you just have to look at the energy flows across our planet.

Have you heard the saying "Energy Flows Where Attention Goes?" It comes from one of the universal laws:

There's a series of natural universal laws that govern our lives. Laws that just are regardless of your knowledge of them - for example gravity. There's a series of Universal Laws around Success and Prosperity that govern how your life evolves, regardless of whether you believe in them or not.

Be assured that these laws are always in operation. They don't just turn on and off because you wish it were so. The law of gravity doesn't stop just because you are falling down a cliff and wish it wasn't so!

The Law of Vibration
Everything is a waveform that vibrates. From the chair you are sitting on to the galaxy we live in, to your thoughts, emotions energy. Everything vibrates at a specific pattern and frequency.

http://www.leadership-and-motivation-training.com/universal-laws.html

The Law of Attraction
Whatever energy is being broadcast out to the universe attracts and is attracted to similar vibrations. Like attracts like and everything reproduces after its own kind.

You are like a radio or television signal tower eternally sending out broadcasts. Choose the frequency and sound you broadcast out to the universe. Are you broadcasting negative, pessimistic frequencies or harmonious, positive frequencies? If things aren't going so well for you right now, in any area of your life, listen to your thoughts and become aware of the vibration you are sending out to the world. Is this what you want to have attracted back to you. If not, then change your thinking to focus on what it is you do want to attract.

Look around you, who are the people that surround you are they just like you? Is that a good thing? If it's not then change your thinking and change your energy. Then you can attract to you what it is you do want.

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 08:58 PM

Have you heard the saying "Energy Flows Where Attention Goes?" It is really following will not attention. A subtle but important difference.

You can think about something, ie give it attention, but it is when you put your will behind it that things move forwards. Though caution is needed for there is also the universal law of unintended consequences due to the labrinth nature of every single decision we take in life.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 09:02 PM

It is really following will not attention. A subtle but important difference.

You can think about something, ie give it attention, but it is when you put your will behind it that things move forwards. Though caution is needed for there is also the universal law of unintended consequences due to the labrinth nature of every single decision we take in life.

A lot is written about “chi,” or the energy that flows in us and through us, giving us life and power.

Masters at martial arts give demonstrations of chi, seeming to effortlessly deflect attackers in aikido, and making their opponents weaken and freeze in place, in kenpo karate.

Is chi real? Do you have to become a master to tap into its power?

Masters are great at understanding it, and channeling it at will, but they certainly don’t have exclusive right to it. You’ve used chi thousands of times, without being aware of it.

For instance, I was at a meeting of a large group when I spotted a friend sitting thirty rows ahead of me. Instantly, after recognizing him, I focused on the back of his head.

Suddenly, he turned around, scanned the folks behind him, saw me, and smiled!

He knew someone was “flowing on him,” as it’s said in martial arts.

You can’t see chi, directly, or measure it using conventional tools. But we have it, we feel it, and we can use it.

It’s worth doing a few “field experiments” to demonstrate its power. Get some mirrored sunglasses, and go into a crowd. Focus on people, and then see if they look at you.

Can you make them turn around? Do they start scratching where you were looking? These are signs that it’s working.

Remember this adage: Where the attention goes, the energy flows!

and this in turn will lead to the truth.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Martial-Artist-Says-Where-The-Attention-Goes-The-Energy-Flows&id=150913

We all need to focus in on exposing TPTB,it appears to be working ;)

I will tell you 1 thing Stewart, WW2 = Fluoride.

If I had a bell
I'd ring it in the morning
I'd ring it in the evening
All over this land
I'd ring out danger
I'd ring out a warning
I'd ring out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land

"Tantra activates many powerful subtle energies in our body and mind and,
if we do not have any mental training or discipline,
this excess energy will take the path of least resistance
through our negative emotions of attachment, jealousy, pride, egotism, and so on"
Lama Ganchen

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 09:37 PM

It’s worth doing a few “field experiments” to demonstrate its power. Get some mirrored sunglasses, and go into a crowd. Focus on people, and then see if they look at you.

Can you make them turn around? Do they start scratching where you were looking? These are signs that it’s working.Ignoring coincidences and reading into things, you do realise that you can do a lot of harm to people doing this sort of thing? You could unbalance a weak chi in a person causing all sorts of problems, you could unwittingly transfer demons and darkness. And if you misread things you could turn yourself mad. Ethically you are in a dangerous place.

Lightgiver, unless you are a well trained sensei yourself you could be sowing the seeds of your own destruction and doing admittedly unintentional harm to others.

You are dabbling in magic and the approach that you are taking is only steps away from you being an agent of darkness. Ponder hard. :eek:

Why do you think that in the martial arts you get 7th dans who dont understand the practical application of chi and think it all baloney? There is a very good reason for this.

Lightgiver if I can give you one single piece of advice, work solely on yourself. In time you will illuminate and really know what it means to give the light and you will make an enormous difference in the world, naturally and balanced. Think about it. Hard.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 09:38 PM

Ignoring coincidences and reading into things, you do realise that you can do a lot of harm to people doing this sort of thing? You could unbalance a weak chi in a person causing all sorts of problems, you could unwittingly transfer demons and darkness. And if you misread things you could turn yourself mad. Ethically you are in a dangerous place.

Lightgiver, unless you are a well trained sensei yourself you could be sowing the seeds of your own destruction and doing admittedly unintentional harm to others.

You are dabbling in magic and the approach that you are taking is only steps away from you being an agent of darkness. Ponder hard. :eek:

Why do you think that in the martial arts you get 7th dans who dont understand the practical application of chi and think it all baloney? There is a very good reason for this.

Lightgiver if I can give you one single piece of advice, work solely on yourself. In time you will illuminate and really know what it means to give the light and you will make an enormous difference in the world, naturally and balanced. Think about it. Hard.

well you had better tell the person who put it on the internet.

If I had a bell
I'd ring it in the morning
I'd ring it in the evening
All over this land
I'd ring out danger
I'd ring out a warning
I'd ring out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land :)

WW2 = Fluoride in the water,yes plenty of connections,1 of many<I feel its TPTB that are poisoning and unbalancing everyone and everything,maybe someone has forgot to tell them?or maybe they are to busy getting ready for the grove and having to many eyes wide shut moments.

"Tantra activates many powerful subtle energies in our body and mind and,
if we do not have any mental training or discipline,
this excess energy will take the path of least resistance
through our negative emotions of attachment, jealousy, pride, egotism, and so on"
Lama Ganchen

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 09:39 PM

We all need to focus in on exposing TPTB,it appears to be working ;)Lightgiver I am the the father of the powers that be, they just dont know it yet.:D I bet that secretly you do though;):eek:

Anyone seen Walter:)

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 09:54 PM

:D LOL :D,do they know yet, You had better get a move on,I am getting pretty tired of all the Poisons and chemicals,not just Poisoning us, but the planet we live on,you need to start ringing the BELL, loud and clear.Lightgiver would you rather a father spank his children so that they see violence as the way to go as opposed to gently guiding them to a better life?

I am happy to watch this world unfold and see who proclaims themselves to be the saviour of the world. I think that it could be you lightgiver.:D:eek:

Remember in the Da Vinchi Code it was mentioned that at the millenium the chosen one would reveal himself, but that he would not know who he was - causing a great dilema!!!!!! What were you doing at the millenium lightgiver? Are you the Masonic Messiah?:eek::D;):eek:

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 09:57 PM

Lightgiver would you rather a father spank his children so that they see violence as the way to go as opposed to gently guiding them to a better life?

I am happy to watch this world unfold and see who proclaims themselves to be the saviour of the world. I think that it could be you lightgiver.:D:eek:

There is no time to gently guide.

Each person are their own saviour,its not me :D Its hard enough sorting moi out ;)

What were you doing at the millennium lightgiver?I was sat at home with my girlfriend,with her trying to get me into the spirit of things and me not interested in the charade.

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 09:59 PM

There is no time to gently guide.Yet time is a man made invention. One of the benefits of believing in reincarnation lightgiver is that you have all of the time in the world.

Grab shreks onion lightgiver and start peeling back more layers.

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 10:03 PM

Yet time is a man made invention. One of the benefits of believing in reincarnation lightgiver is that you have all of the time in the world.

Grab shreks onion lightgiver and start peeling back more layers.

Yes ,but when you peel so far back,you then realise there is nothing left to peel,and all you are left with,is emptiness;)

There are only so many layers to anything.

Remember the BELL,where is the sound?

stewart edwards

20-07-2009, 10:05 PM

What were you doing at the millennium lightgiver?I was sat at home with my girlfriend,with her trying to get me into the spirit of things and me not interested in the charade.I was sipping a whisky feeling disappointed that I couldnt find the planned pyramid event on telly. It would have been good to see the capstone lowered (preferably with a crystal in it).

lightgiver

20-07-2009, 10:09 PM

I was sipping a whisky feeling disappointed that I couldnt find the planned pyramid event on telly. It would have been good to see the capstone lowered (preferably with a crystal in it).

There was no millennium,its all a fabrication of time and space.

They are all imputed thoughts,maybe we should be looking internally for pyramids,crystals or whatever tickles ones fancy.

There is no point in being upset,everything is just a memory.

THE BELL

Holding Vajra and Bell In Tantric rituals, the Vajra is normally held in the right hand, and the Bell in the left. In this combination, the Vajra symbolises method, bliss and male aspects, and the Bell symbolises wisdom, emptiness, the female aspect. The bell as a whole symbolises the sound of the Dharma and is often used in tantric rituals to offer sound.

The Bell is traditionally topped by a half-vajra (the 5 spokes are the five forms of mystical wisdom), and below is the face of Viarocana - the incarnation of universal truth (Dharma). On the shoulder of the bell are 8 lotus petals with syllables in them; the lotus leaves represent the 8 great Bodhisattvas and the syllables are their consorts. As you may suspect by now, each and every detail of the bell has an elaborate symbolic meaning. The whole of the bell can even symbolise a complete mandala.

Whenever one holds these objects, one should try to remember these symbolic meanings and gradually familiarise the mind with the idea; this is the main idea behind meditation.

"Tantra activates many powerful subtle energies in our body and mind and,
if we do not have any mental training or discipline,
this excess energy will take the path of least resistance
through our negative emotions of attachment, jealousy, pride, egotism, and so on"
Lama Ganchen

cruise4

21-07-2009, 01:07 PM

I've been thinking about 'Revealing' and if Reptilians are real they should be revealed. Is it possible all the security apparatus is for that very purpose and what might happen and what might be inferred by the general population? Could the great work be aimed at doing exactly that? If there are dimensional beings just outside our frequency range what kind of device could be made to make them visible, like in 'They Live' (was it?) and the glasses. This would make a sensible precaution anyway in case we ever did get invaded by dimensional aliens, reptilians or not. Imagine microwave beams or something across streets and if you watched them certain individuals might turn around or noticeably double take, or something. Searching through bins, ID database... there's quite a lot of this that 'could' be made to fit a search for intruders. I'm slightly worried this is akin to the real plan and I'm blowing it after centuries of work :D Even consumption of human flesh and the idea of becoming more human could be made to fit such a scenario. 9/11, garden of Eden, the apple, lightbringer... if you took the notion of ends justify the means...

(Somehow this ended up not at the bottom of deafbred's thread. That's where it should have been).

deafbred

25-07-2009, 02:39 AM

after reading this thread that day it was made.. i went into the house and watched tv,, and sooooo many things were popping out.. here and there.. so much in fact 'connections' symbolism etc, that it would be almost impossible to describe it unless you were there 'Live' with me- ~on the fly

like.. 'synchronicity' to the extreme- flicker rate propelling awakening at the speed of light

it was funny, i turned the channels on the tv and, there were bells, there was a decoration show, people saying things that were in direct connection to audibles concerning the understanding of this thread

Ed Leedskalnin at Coral Castle says "Ring twice" and when people were at his front door, he wouldn't answer unless you 'Rang Twice' (he had a bell at his front door)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/2627319325_d912856c12.jpg?v=0
http://www.code144.com/img-coralcastle/cc13b.jpghttp://www.code144.com/img-coralcastle/cc14b.jpg

So anyways.... I was watching the tv, and still flipping the channels... and after seeing other channels speaking about 'ringing' designs of bells... and.. when I got to the Disney Channel.. a show was just starting called "The Penguins Madagascar"

and the intro goes like this..

(look, there is a Bell, and two dudes hitting the Bell from opposite sides)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0DGegq9EzE&feature=related

it has to do with resonance, and two balanced waves hitting each other at the right timing. when they smash together and crest, they bounces back and fourth evenly and perpetually harmonate peaceably, until fading... ~~~~~~and is the best waveform symetricallness

-does it lead to a crack in the bell? is that what the crack is symbolic of? splitting point? point break?

Point Break (in that movie, they are surfers, they ride WAVES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)

Point Break Trailer - YouTube "its a killer rush"
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVk3mR2UhgI

:s its best I can describe it for now with my feeble ignorant mind

the clues are EVERYWHERE

I use to think, the awakening was/is because due to the fact of so many of us human beings being alive and living our lives, that each one of us contributes to the puzzle larger picture each in our own ways, and is getting to a point now, where, they can't keep the lid on the cover of knowledge anymore. At the same time however.. it seems to, that , it is being facilitated at the hands of the keepers who hold back the knowledge for their own purposes. ----- at the same time though,, pride and passion to 'show off' .... leaves them open to susceptible leaks of top secret.

im not sure if the masons or whoever is epitomed in control, is wanting this awakening to happen or if its all just because of the time where living in.

either way, its going to happen, so can diduse ......maybe....... they are wanting it to happen at a specific POINT.. a time.. a crossroads.. to control the outcome? direct the choir?

Lucifer was/is a musician of some type.. he directed the choir of angels in heaven?

music

notes

waves

BeLL's

"ring twice"

there/they must be waiting for some kind of balance and time of timing to sound the trumpet

they...... "got to do this right" they say

if it means waiting for the next generation to make it happen and be the ones to participate in the final ceremony..... they will wait..... and DeLaY DeLaY DeLaY ...... ------but i feel, it is the time, in my generation, cuz i known since i was born. im here for conclusion.

"drums" "the perfect solution to this madness"

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cruise4

25-07-2009, 02:57 AM

Haven't checked but has anyone mentioned Baal and El and the murders that seem to occur around these things?

deafbred

25-07-2009, 03:08 AM

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cruise4

26-07-2009, 04:07 AM

Duality - According to Cayce, Atlantean society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial." According to the readings, a major source of turmoil was the Sons of Belial's desire to exploit the Things, sub-humans with animal appendages and low intelligence, and the movements to protect and evolve them by the Sons of the Law of One.

http://www.crystalinks.com/edgar_cayce.html

Belial
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Belial (also Belhor, Baalial, Beliar, Belias , Beliall, Beliel, Bilael, Belu; from Hebrew בְּלִיַּ֫עַל Bəliyyáʻal; also named Matanbuchus, Mechembuchus, Meterbuchus in older scripts) is a demon in the Bible, Christian apocrypha and Jewish apocrypha, and also a term used to characterize the wicked or worthless.

The etymology of the word is uncertain, but is most commonly translated as "without worth".[1] Some scholars translate it from Hebrew as "worthless" (Beli yo'il), while others translate it as "yokeless" (Beli ol), "may have no rising" (Belial) or "never to rise" (Beli ya'al). Only a few etymologists have assumed it to be a proper name from the start.[2] In the Book of Jubilees, uncircumcised heathens are called "sons of Belial". Also appearing in some Muslim scripture, the demon is said to have feasted on the poor and feed the rich with the regurgitated remains. When the rich denied his service, he was sent back into the underworld to serve Satan himself.

In the Goetia, Belial is said to be very respectful. Belial is also the demon of lies and guilt. As a Prince of Hell, he commands 80 Legions of Demons and is specifically the Prince reigning over the Northern Reaches of Hell. His General and Bride Avaira is the general of these legions and of the Harposh Army. He controls the element of earth and reigns over the Earth demons.

Belial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the Hebrew 'Bliol', meaning Wicked One, in demonology Belial is one of Satan's most venerable demons. In fact, before the New Testament firmly established Satan as the leader of the forces of evil, Belial was the one in charge. In the Old Testament the word had the meaning of worthlessness or wickedness, but it later came to be used as a proper noun for the Devil or Satan.

According to one of the Dead Sea Scrolls (The War of the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness) he was the uncontested ruler of the dark side:

"But for corruption thou hast made Belial, an angel of hostility. All his dominion is in darkness, and his purpose is to bring about wickedness and guilt."

The demon of lies, he was acknowledged in the Bible as a source of great evil, and even as the lord of all demons. Some apocrypha declare that Belial was created next to Lucifer, and that he was a king of Hell governing 80 Infernal Legions. Others credit Belial as being the father of Lucifer and the angel that convinced him to wage a rebellion in Heaven against God, and that as such he was the first of the fallen angels to be expelled.

Deceitful and evil-hearted, Belial was once considered Beelzebub's equal, but by medieval times he had been relegated to one of the lesser demons of Hell. In the apocryphal the Martyrdom of Isaiah and in the Gospel of Bartholomew, he is labeled as the demon of lawlessness:

"And Manasseh turned aside his heart to serve Beliar; for the angel of lawlessness, who is the ruler of this world, is Beliar, whose name is Matanbuchus."

Belial was immortalized in Milton's Paradise Lost, being referred to as the "false-titled son of God." When Belial first appears, Milton declares:

"A fairer person lost not Heaven; he seemed
For dignity composed and high exploit:
But all was false and hollow; though his tongue
Dropped manna, and could make the worse appear
The better reason, to perplex and dash
Maturest counsels: for his thoughts were low;
To vice industrious, but to noble deeds
Timorous and slothful."

In Das Buch Belial, by Jacobus de Terano, Belial presented himself to and danced before King Solomon (he is the sixty-eighth spirit listed in Solomon's Goetia). In the Bible, he is identified as Satan when Paul of Tarsus asks how Christ and Belial can agree (2 Corinthians 6:15). He is also referred by Victor Hugo as Hell's ambassador to Turkey.

When summoned, Belial appears as two angels (sometimes only one) sitting in a chariot of fire, and he is believed to provide good familiars and to cause favors of friends and foes, but offerings and sacrifices must be made in his honor. Notorious mass murderer Gilles de Rais is thought to have attempted to raise Belial and Beelzebub using the severed body parts of his sacrificial children victims.

http://www.occultopedia.com/b/belial.htm

Bells are CAST... so what?

strt

26-07-2009, 07:30 AM

limelady

26-07-2009, 08:04 AM

Russian bell strangely reminds me of this picture

http://calvarypslwomen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/molech.jpg

But I am sure I found somewhere strong connection between baal and bell.
Unless molech and baal represent same entity I am 50:50 is it molech or baal.

The statue (whether Molech or Baal), looks very bell-shaped strt, as does the symbolic Merovingian beehive.....Merovingian being the 13th Satanic/Illuminati bloodline.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/P3002.jpg

size_of_light

26-07-2009, 08:10 AM

cruise4

26-07-2009, 08:13 AM

Baal was son of El, or Dagon, an obscure deity linked by the Hebrews with the Philistine city of Ashdod. Dagon may have been associated with the sea—a coin found in the vicinity portrays a god with a fishtail.

http://www.answers.com/topic/baal

Even in the astro-theology of the Babylonians the star of Bēl was not the sun: it was the planet Jupiter.

While the Semitic high god Ba'al Hadad was depicted as a human, a ram, or a bull, the demon Bael was in grimoire tradition said to appear in the forms of a man, cat, toad, or combinations thereof.

Bel (pronounced /beɪl/; from Akkadian bēlu), signifying "lord" or "master", is a title rather than a genuine name, applied to various gods in Babylonian religion. The feminine form is Belit 'Lady, Mistress'. Bel is represented in Greek and Latin by Belos and Belus respectively. Linguistically Bel is an East Semitic form cognate with Northwest Semitic Ba‘al with the same meaning.

Early translators of Akkadian believed that the ideogram for the god called in Sumerian Enlil was to be read as Bel in Akkadian. This is now known to be incorrect; but one finds Bel used in referring to Enlil in older translations and discussions.

Bel became especially used of the Babylonian god Marduk and when found in Assyrian and neo-Babylonian personal names or mentioned in inscriptions in a Mesopotamian context it can usually be taken as referring to Marduk and no other god. Similarly Belit without some disambiguation mostly refers to Bel Marduk's spouse Sarpanit. However Marduk's mother, the Sumerian goddess called Ninhursag, Damkina, Ninmah and other names in Sumerian, was often known as Belit-ili 'Lady of the Gods' in Akkadian.

http://www.answers.com/topic/bel-mythology

More connotations of these deities that I've had hot dinners.

strt

26-07-2009, 08:44 AM

The statue (whether Molech or Baal), looks very bell-shaped strt, as does the symbolic Merovingian behive.....Merovingian being the 13th Satanic/Illuminati bloodline.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/P3002.jpg

It's actually Russian bell crack shape and size that reminded me of this image initially.

This is getting weird, related article I found: http://semioticology.blogspot.com/2009/07/bee-hive-of-ceile-de-oratory-at.html

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2752065463_a690556bc2_m.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/2236630078_0912726910.jpg
Parliament building, New Zealand :confused:

http://sdlpyouth.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/european-parliament-building.jpg
European parliament-building?

http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/0611-sb-wsswintro/bruegel-tower-of-babel-ruins-big.jpg

This images make logical progression.

cruise4

26-07-2009, 08:45 AM

http://www.abbaswatchman.com/106.JPG

size_of_light

26-07-2009, 08:46 AM

You're on fire, strt!

Great info.

cruise4

26-07-2009, 08:48 AM

Nearly 38 years to the day that it was lost at sea, the capsule of astronaut Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom was raised from the floor of the Atlantic ocean just north of the Bahamas. Grissom's spacecraft, Liberty Bell 7, was lost on July 21st, 1961 when the hatch prematurely blew after splashdown.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/lib7.htm

Yes, getting very odd.

http://frysingerreunion.org/us/mer010.jpg

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/philadelphia_liberty_bell.htm

size_of_light

26-07-2009, 08:55 AM

http://www.abbaswatchman.com/106.JPG

Baal/Bell have to be connected.

You can barely turn around without bumping into something that reminds you of it.

Our lives are regulated by bells from the time we're in the crib and given rattles. Bells tell us when to wake up in the morning. Bells sound all day at school. Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone and the damn thing has never stopped ringing and making us it's servant ever since.

etc. etc.

There's also an island with a mysterious aboriginal history in the bay near where I live, that appeared on the earliest settler's maps under it's local indigenous name "Bellarmarin" (Bell - a - marin = water of Baal?). The name was subsequently erased from all future maps and replaced with the name "Jouap".

cruise4

26-07-2009, 08:59 AM

An Insane Man Who Meant Murder.

David bell, a mason, thirty five years oild, was arrested to-night on a charge of attempting to murder F.E. Arms, a bookeeper for Bell and Conover

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9905EFDB1630E033A25750C1A9639C94 659ED7CF

cruise4

26-07-2009, 09:05 AM

Mutt and Jeff

Harry Conway "Bud" Fisher (1884[1885?]/04/03-1954/09/07) created what is now generally regarded as the world’s first daily comic strip. A. Mutt (later renamed Mutt & Jeff) began on 15 November 1907, appearing first in The Chronicle then the San Francisco Examiner before being syndicated in the Wheeler Syndicate (which later changed its name to Bell Syndicate). This panel is taken from a 1916 strip:

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/mutt_and_jeff.gif

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/comics.html

cruise4

26-07-2009, 09:17 AM

EXAMPLE OF A MASONIC LODGE: THE HELL-FIRE CLUB

A depiction of strange ceremonies in an eighteenth century Masonic lodge.

In order to understand how eighteenth century Masonry was organized, and what it attempted to achieve, one of the things we must proceed to do is examine the various secret Masonic societies that came to be at that period. One such society was the "Hell-Fire Club," that was active in England in the middle of the eighteenth century. The Masonic structure of this club and its anti-religious, pagan character, is described by the Masonic writer Daniel Willens in his article, "The Hell-Fire Club: Sex, Politics and Religion in Eighteenth-Century in England." Here are some interesting passages from that article published in Gnosis, a journal of Western inner traditions:

On moonlit nights during the reign of England's King George III, immensely powerful members of His Majesty's Government, important intellectuals, and influential artists could sometimes be seen travelling up the Thames River by gondola to a ruined abbey near West Wycombe. There, to the sonorous tolling of the deconsecrated cloister's bell, they dressed in monkish robes and indulged in every manner of depravity, culminating in a Black Mass celebrated on... a debauched noblewoman and presided over by that notorious rake Sir Francis Dashwood. Their diabolical devotions concluded, the inner circle would adjourn to plot the course of the British Empire.

http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/global_freemasonry_06.html

Giving it a rest now. There's no doubt there's connections with masons and bells, that's for sure plumb bob or no plum bob.

Gilding on the handle of the bell rubbed and overpainted ... with entwined handle and applied with reliefs of Bacchus and Venus... some sort of link with Venus and bacchus. It's all very intriguing.

size_of_light

26-07-2009, 09:26 AM

Giving it a rest now. There's no doubt there's connections with masons and bells, that's for sure plumb bob or no plum bob.

However much they'd prefer people not to see it, the masonic level symbol is also a cross section depiction of a bell, and the plumb-bob is it's clapper.

Failure to concede the glaring similarity only makes it seem like some people have something to hide.

cruise4

26-07-2009, 09:38 AM

It seems a possibility. They also have some interesting sonics going on...

https://www.msu.edu/~carillon/batmbook/chapter4.htm

The main partials (frequencies of specific pitches) of a well-tuned bell consist of a fundamental (prime), a minor third (tierce), a fifth (quint), an octave (nominal), and a hum tone an octave below the fundamental.

deathcultreject

26-07-2009, 02:12 PM

This is a cool thread.

One man's symbology is another man's lateral thinking.

cruise4

30-07-2009, 03:58 AM

The Beehive Cluster (Praesepe), a fine binocular object. It can be found along the ecliptic between Gemini on the west and Leo on the east, and is best seen during the evenings of early spring when it is almost directly overhead.

Galileo was the first to observe the Beehive in a telescope, in 1609, and was able to resolve it into 40 stars. Charles Messier added it to his famous catalog in 1769 after precisely measuring its position in the sky. Along with the Orion Nebula and the Pleiades cluster, Messier's inclusion of the Beehive has been noted as curious, as most of Messier's objects were much fainter and more easily confused with comets. One possibility is that Messier simply wanted to have a larger catalog than his scientific rival Lacaille, whose 1755 catalog contained 42 objects, and so he added some bright, well-known objects to boost his list.[11]

Ancient Greeks and Romans saw this object as a manger from which two donkeys, the adjacent stars Asellus Borealis and Asellus Australis, are eating; these are the donkeys that Dionysos and Silenus rode into battle against the Titans.[12]

This perceived nebulous object is the main celestial object in the 23rd lunar mansion (Hsiu Kuei or Xiu Gui) of ancient Chinese astrology. Ancient Chinese skywatchers saw this as a ghost or demon riding in a carriage and likened its appearance to a "cloud of pollen blown from willow catkins."

Beehive Cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

31-07-2009, 10:40 PM

Rennes - At least 46 people were injured Friday when an explosion at a bell foundry in northern France showered visiting tourists with molten bronze, police and firefighters said.

Most of the visitors suffered from minor burns and smoke inhalation at the Cornille-Harvard foundry in the Normandy town of Villedieu-les-Poele but one person was rushed to a local hospital.

Police said the explosion was caused by the ignition of a dust cloud.

"This explosion caused fumes and melted bronze to be projected on the visitors," said an official from the local gendarmerie.

Several ambulances and some 60 rescuers were dispatched to the foundry located in the centre of the town to deal with the emergency at the height of the holiday season. - AFP:eek:

and the pope had a fall the other week and sarky collapsed,and obamas speech glass smashed the ones they read off because they are unable to do speeches without ear pieces and scripted news speak.ooo speaking of KARMA.

Its only a matter of time peeps.;)

Repeaters comes to mind.

David Icke - Repeaters - YouTube

The great repeaters are what pass for journalists...the fact is they dont know whats happening, they know nothing.(like some on here)

What journalists should really say is that "i tell you what they've told me is going on and i deliver it as if i know whats going on and its really true - i haven't got a clue if its true but they tell me and they wouldnt lie would they? i mean, would tony blair lie? would george bush lie? please, i'am a journalist trust me."

So what we call news is merely propaganda that "they" have told the journalists and the journalists repeat to us. Even "they" repeat what "they" are told to repeat - ever watch Obama without a teleprompter?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

What a bunch of Mind controlled charlatans.

What a wonderful world.

NEVER FORGET 911,maybe they could use that in the Hackers case when he goes to that corrupt country that is ran by the devils.