Views on having babies...

[roxanna222]

What are your views on actively seeking to conceive children in this day and age?
I am considering this but have doubts as far as pole shift etc. still should I stop this desire because of the unknown? Should I give my love that which he craves? Or myself for that matter. If a baby born in these times bad? I think if born at all its for a reason that its soul has to accomplish something for its own self. I would like your views however.

[lemonique]

Hi Roxy, In my experience, when it's time to have your baby, baby will find a way to be born :D
My answer to your question is, Yes, try for your baby. Babies born in these times need enlightened Mums and Dads, which you are...so good luck and I hope all goes well!!

Cheers
Lemonique

[tinmenace]

Only you know what is right for you.

But for me, I chose not to have children. Instinctively I knew that I shouldn't. It's too much of an emotional thing for me, and I couldn't imagine bringing a child into a culture of enslavement. Vaccines, microchips, genetically engineered food, poison air, poison water. What hell that is to fight.

[limelady]

Making a decision to have a baby in today's world is a very tough
personal choice knowing what we know, but at the end of the day
it matters not what anybody else may or may not think of any choice
you make.

Nobody should ever judge another's decision on this matter, and I don't
believe there is any right or wrong to be had here. My only advice would
be to follow your own inner-wisdom to help you decide one way or the other.

Best of luck either way roxanna :)

[anoninnyc]

roxanna as you know i am pregnant, i did not plan it, but i am very happy that i am. if you feel uncertain about creating a new life, but have the maternal instinct there is always adoption. these are all personal choices that only you can make. there are many dangers today and you will need to protect your child. look at hagbard celine. he took a stand against fingerprinting in his daughters school. i think there need to be more parents like him out there.
so i think that you should definitely be a mother but it is your personal decision as to how you go about this. but do me a favor, and don't live your life in fear.

[lightbeing]

Only you know what is right for you.

But for me, I chose not to have children. Instinctively I knew that I shouldn't. It's too much of an emotional thing for me, and I couldn't imagine bringing a child into a culture of enslavement. Vaccines, microchips, genetically engineered food, poison air, poison water. What hell that is to fight.




Agreed Tin, this reality at the moment is not a place to bring up children. I felt this many years ago before I got into Icke's stuff.
I worry about what sort of world my 2 nieces & nephew will have to contend with.

[lumukanda]

my girlfriend and i have also made the decision not to have children, i just can't expose another life to this hell hole we call a world, it has it's moments, but is ultimately a cruel, cruel place.

[peter19]

i think if you and your partner want a baby and you can care for it then go ahead. if we all had the idea that we live in abit of a mess and im not bringing a baby into this, then where is the next generation of freedom fighters going to come from?, we need freedom fighters lol.

i think a kid who hasnt been programmed that they are wothless ect and not too worry what others think will be a grand behing. but im not sure if i would have a baby if i ever find someone who i truely love ect, just see what happens.

[danielg]

Funny how only people in Western culture can think of not reproducing as being of their instinct. That isn't instinct, it is fear.
Not reproducing our genes is exactly what 'they' want too, especially awakened people. Imagine what it would be like being brought up by parents that weren't neurotic unconscious sheeple... all the shit happening in the world wouldn't effect them half as much as you'd think.

[limelady]

Funny how only people in Western culture can think of not reproducing as being of their instinct. That isn't instinct, it is fear.
Not reproducing our genes is exactly what 'they' want too, especially awakened people. Imagine what it would be like being brought up by parents that weren't neurotic unconscious sheeple... all the shit happening in the world wouldn't effect them half as much as you'd think.

Thats a very good point danielg!

Besides, if souls/spirits wish to reincarnate here during these turbulent times, who are we to question their motivation for wanting to be here or their right to come and fulfill whatever their personal 'mission' might be?

Its not a straight-foward issue, and we must remember that we tend to relate everything from our current 3D perspective of this reality, never really seeing the much bigger picture that we are all part of.

This is a good thread - its certainly making me think outside the square! :)

[smoking oceanus]

I love kids, but i dont know wether i want them either because of the way the world is. I might adopt one, get him/her out of a lesser fortunate circumstance for a better life or something.

I have two little nieces and two young nepthews and i love them very much. I get along with them so well. We all play and joke around all he time. They have got such amazing enthusiasm, wonder and sense of humour, i often wonder how long the spirit in them will last until the conditioning of society starts to take more influence. I get worried they will one day turn passive and apathetic like what most adults turn into.

[bicycle]

"Earth is the insane asylum of the Universe"

With that statement of yours, why would you want to inflict an insane asylum on another human:confused:

[11kushna11]

I'll have to add my voice to the 'no kids' brigade- I simply have no desire to bring a child into this World at the moment. Too many awful people have children and there are too many people on this planet being born into servitude- I don't want to add to that.

But of course it is a personal choice. I would venture that having to ask this question probably suggests that you will want children at some point in your life and that you may regret it if you don't. Most people who don't wish to conceive just 'know' that they won't have kids.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide :) x

[lumukanda]

i think daniel has a very valid point actually, i still maintain that i don't want to have kids, but if my girlfriend were to fall pregnant tomorrow, i wouldn't even consider terminating the pregnancy, provided she felt the same way of course, lemonique said it best, the child chooses you.

[peter19]

yeah it does i think and if you are the type of person (because of your non-sheepish qualitys) who will look after it and tell the child what you believe and that it might be so or might not be, the kid will learn so much and almost at an earlly age be not programable. happy days.

another thing to is many people could not have kids because then you may have to act abit more, you might not want your kid to go to school, you might not want them to have vaccines so because of that you could easilly think to yourself, "whats the point in haveing a kid, it will be to much bother". and it will be to much bother because it might get people out of there comfort zones.

i think all the awake people should have 20 babies each, we ll have hundreds of freedom fighters in no time lol.

whos for it? :p

[ngawaka19]

I love kids, but i dont know wether i want them either because of the way the world is. I might adopt one, get him/her out of a lesser fortunate circumstance for a better life or something.

I have two little nieces and two young nepthews and i love them very much. I get along with them so well. We all play and joke around all he time. They have got such amazing enthusiasm, wonder and sense of humour, i often wonder how long the spirit in them will last until the conditioning of society starts to take more influence. I get worried they will one day turn passive and apathetic like what most adults turn into.

hey smoking,

thats the way to go, i adopted 3 children. 9 mths after their mother died. that was 10years ago. couldn't leave them. I have one biological 90year old teenager as well. what a team. there are too many parentless little ones out there, those of us who can, we gotta take responsibility as a whole, for those who may not be able too.

i feel the same, i so much want to have another child but once I dawned on the knowledge I have now, i made the decision not too.

though there might not be long left, i want to try to help these young ones thru as best i can, make what we have left a gift to be enjoyed and be with them so they are not alone when nibiru comes thru. Imagine being a child alone to face catastrophe (if this is the case of course, i'm still praying for a miracle)

[Anders Lindman]

Some want children just to enhance their social status. Some want children just to abuse them (yes, child abuse still exists today). And some want children just because of their pedophile urges. And some want children to secure their old age.

[pedsi]

this is a thread I started a while back http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5507 unfortunately it was hijacked by some ego battle and never really got going but was very simillar to this one.
I think people seem to think that having kids is their sole purpose in life,once you've had kids you've succeeded in life so to speak.The problem is many of these new parents are still children themselves and Im not just talking in terms of age, and you think.. how can that child have any chance of developing into a well rounded sensible human being when all its developing years its surrounded and learning from idiots.
I see this going on all around my area,generation after genaration in families producing the same results..teenage pregnancies,drug or alcohol abuse,violence and general troublesom behaviour...I ask...where is the evolution in that,it seems to be the same mistakes being made over and over again.
In our society this is what we are encouraged to do however,its like the mass production of the sheeple, keep them dumbed down let them breed and produce the next generation of slaves.. put them through the education system and when they're old enough they can produce more...
So that is why I asked if its more important for us evolve in a conciousness sense rather than simply to reproduce?

[ngawaka19]

Some want children just to enhance their social status. Some want children just to abuse them (yes, child abuse still exists today). And some want children just because of their pedophile urges. And some want children to secure their old age.

What about when some want children so they can be their parents......thats a drag eh? Abuse comes in many forms, worse when its wrapped in nomality.

[ngawaka19]

this is a thread I started a while back http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5507 unfortunately it was hijacked by some ego battle and never really got going but was very simillar to this one.
I think people seem to think that having kids is their sole purpose in life,once you've had kids you've succeeded in life so to speak.The problem is many of these new parents are still children themselves and Im not just talking in terms of age, and you think.. how can that child have any chance of developing into a well rounded sensible human being when all its developing years its surrounded and learning from idiots.
I see this going on all around my area,generation after genaration in families producing the same results..teenage pregnancies,drug or alcohol abuse,violence and general troublesom behaviour...I ask...where is the evolution in that,it seems to be the same mistakes being made over and over again.
In our society this is what we are encouraged to do however,its like the mass production of the sheeple, keep them dumbed down let them breed and produce the next generation of slaves.. put them through the education system and when they're old enough they can produce more...
So that is why I asked if its more important for us evolve in a conciousness sense rather than simply to reproduce?


so funny cause at the same time you were writing this i was just saying that some people have children so that the children can become their parents. which is what happened to me. my parents had me when they were 16. my 2 other siblings had children when they were 16 too. i was a wild child and never stopped running till i was 27, when I had my son. then the mother of these 3 children died, and my heart went out to them, i just couldn't let them be alone or split up. gees i tell you, sometimes i wonder about myself, as it wasn't easy. but they are 17 16 15 and 10 now and totally awesome kids, my two boys are in this awesome band, where they play their originals, my 17 yr old has left, to go for a gypsy around the place. we live a pretty quiet life, where we can dissappear to the bush in an hour. no accalades here, just love and hard work, and thats from a lazy person. in my culture its a natural thing for there to be whangai kids, thats why its no big deal, heaps of people do it here.

[basel]

Making a decision to have a baby in today's world is a very tough
personal choice knowing what we know, but at the end of the day
it matters not what anybody else may or may not think of any choice
you make.

Nobody should ever judge another's decision on this matter, and I don't
believe there is any right or wrong to be had here. My only advice would
be to follow your own inner-wisdom to help you decide one way or the other.

Best of luck either way roxanna :)


and what is it that we actully know?????

you srt of sound that we are better than everyone else, is that not an elitiest point of view?????!!!!!!

sometimes people on this forum crack me up

but by all means correct me if i'm wrong which i'm sure you will try to

basel

[bennett211085]

and what is it that we actully know?????

you srt of sound that we are better than everyone else, is that not an elitiest point of view?????!!!!!!

sometimes people on this forum crack me up

but by all means correct me if i'm wrong which i'm sure you will try to

basel

I doubt anyone here feels better then any other person who doesn't believe in conspiracys. You sound like another wind up merchant to me??
I for one have thought about it many times, I think if my girlfriend was pregnant then I'd be over the moon and I'd cope with everything else.

[danielg]

Basel, if that was an elitist point of view, the world wouldn't be in the state it is.

[roxanna222]

Basel, (correct me if wrong lime), I thing that what she means is simply considering the information we know, the information discussed on this forum the choice on whether or not to procreate is a tad more difficult as there are many more things one must consider ie. pole shift, nwo, etc. etc.. I think she is correct in this.
Lime, I don't care what people think of my decisions. The idea occurred to me and I was curious to see other's view points on the subject on a general level.
Also thanks for those who have shared their views.

[limelady]

and what is it that we actully know?????

you srt of sound that we are better than everyone else, is that not an elitiest point of view?????!!!!!!

sometimes people on this forum crack me up

but by all means correct me if i'm wrong which i'm sure you will try to

basel

Me an elitist? :eek:

Just trying to be as real as I can and no better than anyone else.

Sorry to disappoint you basel.

LL

[john white]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

[infinitetruth]

Funny how only people in Western culture can think of not reproducing as being of their instinct. That isn't instinct, it is fear.
Not reproducing our genes is exactly what 'they' want too, especially awakened people. Imagine what it would be like being brought up by parents that weren't neurotic unconscious sheeple... all the shit happening in the world wouldn't effect them half as much as you'd think.

I agree with you. But having kids is the ultimate test in fear, since it is this fear that they seem to take advantage of. With the madeliene disapearance, diseases, diet - they really know how to wrap a parent around the governmental little finger. And there are sooooo many officials surounding kids, have you noticed? Doctors, midwives, health visitors, social services, teachers. At the same time divorce rate gets higher and higher more single parents are prey to these officials and believe how they get treated by these officials is acceptable when they are stepping the line.

I think really its a win-win situation. Families are easy to control when they get both parents working rushing around everywhere and the kids are constantly in care - win dizzy parents, brainwashed kids. Single parents, same thing although they are easier to scare and easier to bully by officials since there is no other party (partner) to bounce ideas off of - win. Single people - easily brainwashed since they are in front of the TV on their own (a good thing) they tend not to question because they assume that people agree with whats on TV and they are in the minority - win.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule....like us!

I've had kids - I can't take them back now. In my opinion this whole world is cruel, birth is cruel, life is cruel and death is cruel. But you can't deny that it is also full of beautiful moments. Parenting does give you a whole new view of life though - it opens your eyes to the care and attention you own parents gave you and it brings you closer to your childhood than anything I can imagine. You get memories popping back, and you parents come up with a load more new stories about you, their memory being jogged by what your kids have done. It's certainly made my world more colourful, I have had real laughs and real tears and I am happy that I have a chance to bring up children into a 'real' world and not a fairytale world I was taught.

But I don't question anyones need to have children, I do, however, question those who don't want to have children - not in a bad way, I am often worried for them, that they may regret that decision later. But really it is up to the person, how they feel, thats the most important thing. But I often get people talking to me about how they want to postpone babies until they get enough money or until they do this or that - which gets my goat, coz there is NEVER a right time to have kids, LOL something ALWAYS happens, that you can bet on!

No matter what we should respect a persons decision and a persons choice, else what is the point of freewill?

[phoebe]

Roxanna :)
Your child's world will be the world you show her
Will that world be beautiful and full of joy?
Or a world of fear and paranoia?
That is up to YOU.
I hear what people are saying regarding not wanting to bring children
Into such a horrible, messed up world.
However...
A lot of the reason it's so 'horrible' and 'messed up'
Is because children are born and not shown proper love and care
They are shown a world that is full of pain and suffering.
They are just popped into the world without a second thought.
They then grow into 'horrible' and 'messed up' adults
Who perpetuate the horror that we see around us.
But your child doesn't have to grow up like that!
You can show her how much fun life can be.
You can surround her with love and, as a parent,
BE the change you want to see in this world.
Your child may then be part of a new beginning.

Of course it's your choice and you definitely should use your intuition.
If something is nagging at you saying it's not a good idea, listen to it!
If your soul pre-agreed to have children in this incarnation,
The child will try very hard to be born...
And you may find yourself with an unplanned pregnancy regardless of your choice now.

Whatever you decide to do I wish you all the luck.
Being a mother can be equally joyous and exasperating
But I wouldn't change a single moment of my life since having my daughter 11years ago.
Parenthood may also let you see the world from a completely different perspective...
A lot of that fear is stripped away and replaced by the purest love you will ever know...
The love for your child.

:)

[lumukanda]

good post phoebe, i agree with what you have to say, if i ever have a child, i will nurture it and teach it to be strong, you know all the things you'd expect, but what bothers me is the things outside my control, school, vaccinations, and all those things that are becoming more and more invasive, i suppose i could remove myself from society entirely, but then the department of welfare (our social services) would take my child away, and we all know that is a real danger.
as you, and several others, have said, a child will come to you whether or not you are ready or not, but i have always been open to the idea of adoption, i live in africa, and sad as it is, and controversial too, there are many children here that need good homes, it may not be my own flesh and blood, but if i can help that way, i will.
i'm still relatively young though, and by western standards, it's not unusual to have kids after 30, so time will tell, if it's in the cards for me, i'll embrace it, but i do think about the bad things that can happen, but then again, don't all parents?

[Anders Lindman]

What about when some want children so they can be their parents......thats a drag eh? Abuse comes in many forms, worse when its wrapped in nomality.

But why would they want to be parents? Mammal instinct? Social conditioning? Illuminati battery programming?

Notice that I am being deliberately nasty and politically incorrect as hell here to try to penetrate into the deeper subconscious levels of the mind. :D

[basel]

no certainly not a wind up, and i understand fully what she meant, being elitist, limelady i think you may be a big sufferer from that, no disrepect intended to the thread starter or in no why an attack on limelady just my personnal point of view of which i thought i would air on this occasion

do with it what you please


basel

[roxanna222]

None taken at all Basel. I like when the threads on the forum stay completely open to all opinions and no one should feel like they are walking on eggshells when it comes to posting their thoughts. Its all good. So keep the views coming...

[pedsi]

But why would they want to be parents? Mammal instinct? Social conditioning? Illuminati battery programming?

Notice that I am being deliberately nasty and politically incorrect as hell here to try to penetrate into the deeper subconscious levels of the mind. :D

I hear you Anders

[synergy777]

THIS IS MY VIEW, LOL

"Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license ... All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."

David Brower - first Executive Director of the Sierra Club; founder of Friends of the Earth; and founder of the Earth Island Institute - quoted by Dixie Lee Ray, Trashing the Planet, p.166

ONLY JOKING, BUT THIS IS WHY PROCESSED FOOD, VACCINES/CONTRACEPTIVES LIKE THE PILL ARE PART OF THE STRATEGY. LOOK AT THE INCREASE IN IVF, FOLIC ACID LEVELS. USE A JOHNNY, PROTECTS AGAINST STDS AND DOESN'T MESS WITH YOUR BODY.

"The first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involves the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size."

Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb, p.130-131

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."

Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, June '96

[anoninnyc]

hey synergy, you have mentioned the folic acid thing in the past, but i don't really understand. please elaborate.

[synergy777]

http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/173_769.asp

will explain more tommorrow, have to go watch david beckham on tv. don't worry sis, as its a result of processed food, as long as you eat good, healthy foods, it can be prevented.

What you need to know:
Folic acid, a B vitamin, helps prevent birth defects of the brain and spinal cord when taken very early in pregnancy. It is available in most multivitamins, as a folic acid-only supplement and in some foods.

Some studies suggest that folic acid may also protect women and men from stroke, colon cancer and breast cancer.

What you can do:
Take a multivitamin with 400 micrograms of folic acid every day before pregnancy and during early pregnancy, as part of a healthy diet.

Eat a healthy diet that includes foods that contain folate, the natural form of the vitamin. Such foods include fortified breakfast cereals, dried beans, leafy green vegetables and orange juice.

If you have already had a pregnancy affected by a birth defect of the brain or spinal cord, ask your health care provider how much folic acid you need. Studies have shown that taking a larger dose of folic acid daily can reduce the risk of having another affected pregnancy. The larger dose needs to be taken at least one month before pregnancy and in the first trimester of pregnancy. The recommended dose is 4 milligrams (4,000 micrograms).

there a uv element, but you are persian, so this is minimal.

[Anders Lindman]

ONLY JOKING, BUT THIS IS WHY PROCESSED FOOD, VACCINES/CONTRACEPTIVES LIKE THE PILL ARE PART OF THE STRATEGY. LOOK AT THE INCREASE IN IVF, FOLIC ACID LEVELS. USE A JOHNNY, PROTECTS AGAINST STDS AND DOESN'T MESS WITH YOUR BODY.


In the past there was a lot of talk about overpopulation and much fear about that. Today there is much much less talk about overpopulation. Could it be that vaccines, additives in food and water etc have been used as population control? This is what many conspiracy researchers claim, and at first it looks like a paranoid idea, but maybe there is some truth to that claim? :eek:

[anoninnyc]

http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/173_769.asp

will explain more tommorrow, have to go watch david beckham on tv. don't worry sis, as its a result of processed food, as long as you eat good, healthy foods, it can be prevented.

What you need to know:
Folic acid, a B vitamin, helps prevent birth defects of the brain and spinal cord when taken very early in pregnancy. It is available in most multivitamins, as a folic acid-only supplement and in some foods.

Some studies suggest that folic acid may also protect women and men from stroke, colon cancer and breast cancer.

What you can do:
Take a multivitamin with 400 micrograms of folic acid every day before pregnancy and during early pregnancy, as part of a healthy diet.

Eat a healthy diet that includes foods that contain folate, the natural form of the vitamin. Such foods include fortified breakfast cereals, dried beans, leafy green vegetables and orange juice.

If you have already had a pregnancy affected by a birth defect of the brain or spinal cord, ask your health care provider how much folic acid you need. Studies have shown that taking a larger dose of folic acid daily can reduce the risk of having another affected pregnancy. The larger dose needs to be taken at least one month before pregnancy and in the first trimester of pregnancy. The recommended dose is 4 milligrams (4,000 micrograms).

there a uv element, but you are persian, so this is minimal.

thanks so much synergy. i have been taking folic acid in supplement form since i found out i was pregnant (would have started earlier but the baby was a bit of a surprise for me and my husband). and i am very fair for a persian (we range from blue eyed blondes to south indian looking) so i know i need it. thought there was something else you were referring to like something wrong with the supplements or who knows what. enjoy your football.

[anoninnyc]

In the past there was a lot of talk about overpopulation and much fear about that. Today there is much much less talk about overpopulation. Could it be that vaccines, additives in food and water etc have been used as population control? This is what many conspiracy researchers claim, and at first it looks like a paranoid idea, but maybe there is some truth to that claim? :eek:


could be. also, so many people are holding off on having children to focus on career or even just partying, goofing around, prolonged childhood of their own. so by the time they want to have children their fertility has been greatly diminished. it seems as if having many children is promoted for the poor in the usa. they get welfare benefits, more money for having children. but if you don't fit into that category and are middle class or even upper middle class (depending on how expensive of an area you live in) children are so expensive (or at least the media brainwashes you into thinking you need to buy this and that, private school, nanny, etc) that the number of children you do have is reduced and you also probably want to wait until you have money saved up, etc. meaning you are older and fertility is decreased. it is the very poor and very rich who have many children.

[john white]

In the past there was a lot of talk about overpopulation and much fear about that. Today there is much much less talk about overpopulation. Could it be that vaccines, additives in food and water etc have been used as population control? This is what many conspiracy researchers claim, and at first it looks like a paranoid idea, but maybe there is some truth to that claim? :eek:

There's no need for a depopulation agenda. Peak Oil is going to take care of that for "them". The vacines etc are part of the social conditioning/technotronic agenda, not population control. In many ways, higher populations make it easier, not harder for these forms of control

[anoninnyc]

USE A JOHNNY, PROTECTS AGAINST STDS AND DOESN'T MESS WITH YOUR BODY.



i do think that the birth control pill can affect a woman's fertility. for me personally it made me pack on the pounds and took away my sex drive. basically the same effect.

[nickatnoon61]

so funny cause at the same time you were writing this i was just saying that some people have children so that the children can become their parents. which is what happened to me. my parents had me when they were 16. my 2 other siblings had children when they were 16 too. i was a wild child and never stopped running till i was 27, when I had my son. then the mother of these 3 children died, and my heart went out to them, i just couldn't let them be alone or split up. gees i tell you, sometimes i wonder about myself, as it wasn't easy. but they are 17 16 15 and 10 now and totally awesome kids, my two boys are in this awesome band, where they play their originals, my 17 yr old has left, to go for a gypsy around the place. we live a pretty quiet life, where we can dissappear to the bush in an hour. no accalades here, just love and hard work, and thats from a lazy person. in my culture its a natural thing for there to be whangai kids, thats why its no big deal, heaps of people do it here.

NGAW, what is your culture? You have some interesting comments and perspectives!:)

[king]

What are your views on actively seeking to conceive children in this day and age?
I am considering this but have doubts as far as pole shift etc. still should I stop this desire because of the unknown? Should I give my love that which he craves? Or myself for that matter. If a baby born in these times bad? I think if born at all its for a reason that its soul has to accomplish something for its own self. I would like your views however.

great question, tough answer.

if an awakened couple creates a baby, then nurtures it and and protects it from negative influences and brainwashing by raising it in truth about world, and by them being the true teachers/educators of their child, by telling the child the truth about the world -- then such parents benefit and universe will benefit of such beautiful creation.

you and your spouse could have a chance to create something so beautiful, a new beginning in consciousness of humankind, to extend possibilities for human kind.

that will be a gift for humanity, but it may be very difficult for all, especially awakened parents, because of insane system that we live in. it will be low or no consciousness sheeple against one small awakened family with raised consciousness. very tough.

ultimately, you will have to decide, your heart already knows the answer because your heart is asking the right question.



I think that PTBs would not want you to have a baby, especially not one with immense potential.

[Anders Lindman]

could be. also, so many people are holding off on having children to focus on career or even just partying, goofing around, prolonged childhood of their own. so by the time they want to have children their fertility has been greatly diminished. it seems as if having many children is promoted for the poor in the usa. they get welfare benefits, more money for having children. but if you don't fit into that category and are middle class or even upper middle class (depending on how expensive of an area you live in) children are so expensive (or at least the media brainwashes you into thinking you need to buy this and that, private school, nanny, etc) that the number of children you do have is reduced and you also probably want to wait until you have money saved up, etc. meaning you are older and fertility is decreased. it is the very poor and very rich who have many children.

Yes, I'm not sure vaccines and additives in food etc is the reason for the slowing down of the population growth. It's a scary thought though.

[Anders Lindman]

There's no need for a depopulation agenda. Peak Oil is going to take care of that for "them". The vacines etc are part of the social conditioning/technotronic agenda, not population control. In many ways, higher populations make it easier, not harder for these forms of control

Someone said in an interview that women in places in Africa run away to hide outside the village when people come to vaccinate them because they believe that the vaccination will make them sterile. What if that story was true and the women right about that? :eek:

In what sense would Peak Oil contribute to population control?

[nickatnoon61]

Someone said in an interview that women in places in Africa run away to hide outside the village when people come to vaccinate them because they believe that the vaccination will make them sterile. What if that story was true and the women right about that? :eek:

In what sense would Peak Oil contribute to population control?

Anders, see Credo Mutwa's take on the decimation of Africa!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[john white]

Someone said in an interview that women in places in Africa run away to hide outside the village when people come to vaccinate them because they believe that the vaccination will make them sterile. What if that story was true and the women right about that? :eek:

In what sense would Peak Oil contribute to population control?

Where do you think the doubling of world food production, leading to the doubling of world population since 1950, has come from? Oil. and what happens without the Oil?

I don't deny in the slightest the likelyhood of covert population containment going on (Chem Trails!):but that is NOT a defacto de-population agenda. Loads of shit makes us sterile, or at least less fertile, including the EM feild from living inside an electro magnetic circuit (we call it a house ring main)

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, see Credo Mutwa's take on the decimation of Africa!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aZB_b2ZIm0

But he didn't talk about population control in the interview (Interview 3/12). Maybe it was in another part of the interview?

[nickatnoon61]

But he didn't talk about population control in the interview (Interview 3/12). Maybe it was in another part of the interview?

A.L.,THERE ARE 12 PARTS IN THE INTERVIEW, AND VERY INTRIGUING,IMO! Mutwa talks about how the white man introduced candies(sugar) to the black children, to dumb down their psychic abilities!

[roxanna222]

i do think that the birth control pill can affect a woman's fertility. for me personally it made me pack on the pounds and took away my sex drive. basically the same effect.

It affected me. I was on it years. When my then husband and I decided for a baby it took a couple of years to get pregnant. Was very frustrating.

As for having a baby again now? Hmmm Who knows. Was more hypothetical then anything else.

One thing for sure the child would have a couple of aware parents to nurture and care for the it.

I detest the anticontraceptives. They fucked with me big time. I had the pill then the injections and never again. Just pull out or wear a condom. But DO NOT mess with your bodies chemicals ever!! Word of advise for all the girls on here.

[limelady]

no certainly not a wind up, and i understand fully what she meant, being elitist, limelady i think you may be a big sufferer from that, no disrepect intended to the thread starter or in no why an attack on limelady just my personnal point of view of which i thought i would air on this occasion

do with it what you please


basel

This is interesting basel, and I'm not offended. Its gotten me thinking actually, and in a way I think you're right because I do consider the vast majority of people on the DI forum some of the highest quality people I've ever known, more real than most, so I quess you could say I consider them an elite group of (largely) like-minded people. Not sure if "elite" is the right word though, maybe it is, but possibly the words "famaliar" and "at one with" are better ways to describe how I feel about many of the people here.

Feeling I am part of this group, I guess in a way makes me an elitist of sorts....if you want to use that term. They are after all, members of a unique group of humanity (a very small percentage, but growing in numbers) who have started seeing a bigger picture of reality, and I feel honoured to mix with them on this forum. So if that makes me an "elitist" well then I guess I can live with that because I'd rather spend quality time with these people than mix it up with others I feel I have little in common with.

Do others here feel like this also? If so, would you consider yourself "elitist"?

BTW Rosanna, you were right in how you described what you thought I meant. :)

I hope I haven't hijacked your thread too much, if so I apolgise and I'll butt out now. :D

LL :)

[nickatnoon61]

[ But DO NOT mess with your bodies chemicals ever!! Word of advise for all the girls on here.[/QUOTE]

Thanx Roxanne, I see, by your mustache, it played havoc with your hormones also!!!:eek: Some more advice..."never trust a woman in love...or a lonely midget"...."Evil Roy Slade"

[anoninnyc]

i feel the same way lime. except not sure if we really are elitist, thing is those without this knowledge can wake up and become like us at any moment.

and i think this little tangent ties in perfectly to roxanna's thread. as those who are capable of raising free thinkers should be parents. what is that theory, like hundreth monkey theory or something like that......... someone here knows what i am talking about i am sure. like once a certain number of us wake up, we will all wake up.

[roxanna222]

Hey lime, I don't mind a hijacking or two keeps it interesting. I just want views on the subject and dialogue amongst ourselves here. Whatever views what ever one wants to say is okay with me. Let it all hang out I say. No fears.
Lime I liked your post on the elitest thing. Yes I agree a bit. I don't feel superior to anyone but I do not mix with others whom I have to be superficial with as they wont get it and such. If I was a soul to be born on this earth Id pick awake people no doubt. Call it personal preference. And (this will sound supremely uppity but oh well) anychild born to me and my lover is a child that is already very aware and a positive being! (good choice Id say!). I cant be bothered with the others. I no longer feel the need I did in the beginning to "recruit" folks. I could give a flying shit now really. If asked I say what I believe other then that fuck it, Ive my own family and life to live and energy to dedicate to to bother giving others my beliefs as I surely do not want theirs (jehovas etc.). So no need to "butt out" speak whatever.

[roxanna222]

[ But DO NOT mess with your bodies chemicals ever!! Word of advise for all the girls on here.

Thanx Roxanne, I see, by your mustache, it played havoc with your hormones also!!!:eek: Some more advice..."never trust a woman in love...or a lonely midget"...."Evil Roy Slade"[/quote]

:DOk what did I do now?? BTW that photo of mine is only 2months old, it took me up to 3 months to get that mustache!! Was hard work!! I know I should have ironed my flannel but didnt have time as I wanted to post my photograph asap.

[tinmenace]

like once a certain number of us wake up, we will all wake up.

That's it, exactly!

It will SMASH open the floodgates.

[nickatnoon61]

Roxanne wrote:
:DOk what did I do now?? BTW that photo of mine is only 2months old, it took me up to 3 months to get that mustache!! Was hard work!! I know I should have ironed my flannel but didnt have time as I wanted to post my photograph asap.[/QUOTE]



Nick wrote:Where's all the empty beer cans,Babe?????:eek:LMAO!!!

[roxanna222]

on the trailer floor and out by the sagging porch lol

[roxanna222]

my cousin/husband fell asleep on some of them so ill have to wait a day or two to fetch them and get me some coins to get the kids juice pops and all

[nickatnoon61]

my cousin/husband fell asleep on some of them so ill have to wait a day or two to fetch them and get me some coins to get the kids juice pops and all

Trailer trash, eh???....Yay!!! my favs!!! I guess u wud be an "elitist" from the interbreeding!!!!!:eek: Say hi to Ellie May.....and Jethro, fer me!!!!!:D

[roxanna222]

Trailer trash, eh???....Yay!!! my favs!!! I guess u wud be an "elitist" from the interbreeding!!!!!:eek: Say hi to Ellie May.....and Jethro, fer me!!!!!:D
Why yes! My mama and dadda are kin too! My uncles my brother he is very nice. Im soo pleased to meet you!! You know our sort of family. Not many do. My husband well his sister is my brother Gerald's wife. We are very close. She is nice too! We dont do none birth control contraptions around here. No sir. Thats against the church too!! No ways. I get lots of clothes now from my sister in law. Shes in pregnant and such so cant ever fit again in them old clothes no way. So s Im getting them. Im sooo happy. I get new digs and shit to wear its great I can go down to the town in new ones yes sir!! Where you all froms??

[roxanna222]

"Earth is the insane asylum of the Universe"

With that statement of yours, why would you want to inflict an insane asylum on another human:confused:

Maybe a child of two awakened parents is a good thing. Maybe there is a soul out there who wants and needs to come here for themselves for something they need. So why cant my love and I be that vehicle? The soul wont come unless wants us as their parents and needs us. So why not leave the "gates" open so to speak? Im not talking about bringing the next Sun God here for your worship just a soul that I feel both me and my love are more then capable of nurturing and the soul of that will only come if needs us and our situation. This world needs such souls. I have one already and so does my love. Both children brighter then stars! If another well who knows really not the point of the thread.

[nickatnoon61]

Why yes! My mama and dadda are kin too! My uncles my brother he is very nice. Im soo pleased to meet you!! You know our sort of family. Not many do. My husband well his sister is my brother Gerald's wife. We are very close. She is nice too! We dont do none birth control contraptions around here. No sir. Thats against the church too!! No ways. I get lots of clothes now from my sister in law. Shes in pregnant and such so cant ever fit again in them old clothes no way. So s Im getting them. Im sooo happy. I get new digs and shit to wear its great I can go down to the town in new ones yes sir!! Where you all froms??

I'm from kelowna, BC Must be nice to be in Costa Lotta,eh? R U the one who is in the photo thread? Ur a hoot!!!:D

[roxanna222]

Ive no idea what the fuck kelowna is but ok
yeah im in costa lotta alright soon to be going to shamrock land, theys bunch havens themins little green folk and shit wows i says

[nickatnoon61]

Ive no idea what the fuck kelowna is but ok
yeah im in costa lotta alright soon to be going to shamrock land, theys bunch havens themins little green folk and shit wows i says

Such language..Rox!!!:D bin drinkin.....again.....still???:confused:......I's Irish too!!!!:eek: Kelowna is about 250 miles from Vancouver in the Okanagan Valley. It is a tourist, wine,orchard, growing area, semi-arid,temperate. probably the best place to live in Canada!

[roxanna222]

Only one person I know calls me Rox and when mad at me. Hmmm.... I get a bug now and then and can tolerate no more and post away. Look at the RP threads for that "dear". Yeah you looked up Kelowna quick I see LOL. Not buying this. As for the cans as I said my cousin/husband sleeping on them so cant get to them to recycle as a "good citizen" and get me coins to give the 5 kids we have their cereal so....

[infinitetruth]

ALL chemicals, additives etc are responsible for our degeneration in health and lack of fertillity. I have been trying to tell people this for years. The pill is responsible for cervical cancer, they admit it while covering it up. They say that not using a condom causes cancer - and you have a higher risk of cervical cancer when on the Pill ie, those who don't use condoms probably use the pill + higher risk of cervical cancer when on the pill = the pill causes cervical cancer.

And don't think your getting away from chemicals by using condoms - they still have chemicals on them. I would love to see some chemical free ones.

Anyway I believe all these man-made substances fck you up in someway because they are missing a vital ingredient - aliveness, that which animates us, that which gives animals and plants an intelligent immune system which interacts with our intelligent immune system on consumtion. You don't get that with dead powders and that includes vitamins.

[Anders Lindman]

It's an enormous personal sacrifice to have children. And a huge responsibility too. It's therefore important that people are able to enjoy their roles as parents.

[mr_moon]

These poor, poor Beings of Light and New Life. Babies come along when they want- you cannot decide when or when not to have them. Babies choose their Mother- not the other way round!

We are all the same Light Energy passing from Mother to Mother, form to form, throughout the Ages.

Maybe there is no need for certain people to have children anymore because they are at the End of the Line of their existence? Their destination is achieveable within this current lifetime and there is no need to continue as a different Human into the next Age...

Also consider this. Babies are more Powerful than the most seemingly 'Powerful' Human (or Reptile or whatever you believe) as they are closer to Pure Consciousness than ANY of us as we currently read and participate in this post.

Babies are the Lights in this World- you INTUITIVELY KNOW THIS! Hold a baby and what do you feel? You feel calm, pure and silent.

Listen to 'Hush' by Valley Arc (http://www.myspace.com/valleyarc) (http://www.myspace.com/valleyarc)

and know that this is all it takes to protect a baby from external conditioning. Music is important for the development of a child. Giving the child a HOME education out of the system- teaching of the MIND and CONSCIOUSNESS and how conditioning exists in the World. That conditioning and war, death and pain are not things to be feared but things to be AWARE of!

They are Beautiful Beings and to 'Intuitively' know you don't want them isn't Intuition at all- it is Fear and Conditioning. It is the SELF telling you that YOUR 'Life' is too important to allow anything to 'change' it. It is the MIND fearing the possibility of Death- i.e. the death of the Ego.

Peace and Love Always to You- we will pull through this Age of Fear and Conditioning. We are all One already- we just don't fully realise it yet xxx

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[Anders Lindman]

We are all the same Light Energy passing from Mother to Mother, form to form, throughout the Ages.


One interesting observation is that I come from my mother who came from her mother and so on. So it's mothers all the way down! Like Russian dolls, one inside another inside another. There is also of course a lineage from my father to his father an so on, but that lineage has not the same Russian dolls sequence. :cool:

[synergy777]

rox, you got the number of the hot latin chick, thats does the cleaning, she is foxxy, lol

[synergy777]

the pill does fuck you up, my cousins a docter, she would never take it. use johnnys/durex etc. modern living, eg mutant food, and other factors are all contributing to the demographic collpase of developed countries, population control.if anyone's on it, stop it, buy johnnys, if not later on there will be problems. however if you don't want kids, then i guess its your choice. you have to remember, gp's, get incentives to push certain pills, from certain companies. this makes a hefty addition to their good salary.

[emerald]

It's a huge risk - especially nowadays, no matter how enthusiastic some ppl are about this idea. Look around... How many kids are loved, wanted, taken care of in a responsible way? Ppl mate (like animals more often), have the poor baby and this is it. This planet hardly carries us, we are too many and the resources arent endless. Ppl are getting dumber and dumber, kids arent kids anymore, teens - same way. Whats the use of us being awake when against us there are millions who are blind and weak chances theyll ever open their eyes, so to say? Smb was saying they are beings of lite. The problem is when these beings of lite grow up, have sex at max. 14, decide to be pornstars or kill somebody or they become victims of rape, abuse and so on. It would be great if wed look upon things with less idealism and with more realism.

[synergy777]

in high fidelity, the delicous catherine zeta jones, puts it perfectly, "kids are too time consuming", lol

[mr_moon]

What is Time though? We're being told more and more about how 'Time' is so precious but does it really exist? On a clockface it does in Reality it does not- it merely the 'perception' of time which is encouraged.

TRUE Time is actually Timeless- there is no rush to do anything as it is all happening at the perfect rate anyway. You can't rush a Flower to Grow- otherwise you will be pulling it and seeing its roots... then it will quickly die...

Don't be fooled by this 'running out of time' nonsense... we are Masters of our own Time and that is Infinity...

[synergy777]

i'm not fooled by the time things, i agree with you. its the contemporary outlook on children, the time, expense, lifestyle change, infingement upon social time basically. they are viewed as an liability not an asset, a curse not a blessing.

[basel]

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=4598&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


well maybe a different side to this story

[lifeofbrian]

Life must go on.

Denying anyone the experience of being human is inhuman.

[mr_moon]

i'm not fooled by the time things, i agree with you. its the contemporary outlook on children, the time, expense, lifestyle change, infingement upon social time basically. they are viewed as an liability not an asset, a curse not a blessing.

This is an Illusion created by the Media... you only need to see how many 'Nanny' programmes, 'Our Kids are Mental' programmes and articles on ADHD and Children out of control and etc..etc..etc.. where does it end? When do people need to wake up and realise that they ARE conditioned by the Media, through no fault of their own of course and having children should be a wonderful, miraculous time!

A new Human Being! A fresh, un-tainted, un-conditioned, pure Light of Love. A saviour. This is SURELY not an 'infringement upon social time'...

Time
Expense
Life- 'STYLE'

These 'words' are all encouraged, everyday, ALL the time by people who want you to stay on the Production line my friend. Particularly the word 'Life Style'. What is this? It's a shaped and craftily moulded way of 'living' in a specific way. In a specific 'Style'. It keeps us separated from each other.

Also let's look at the word Liability- Li(e)- Ability... the ability to LIE!!

When did this word come into our language? Not that long ago i'll tell you- putting into context of what we are discussing, if a child is a 'Li(e) Ability' then it is granting the Parent the Ability to Lie about their current situation- hiding the Truth from Oneself or having your head in the sand.

This is what the 'Powers that Be' want!! They want to provide us with Li(e) Abilities- there is even insurance for it!! If you can't Lie- you get a pay out to encourage you to Lie better next time!

Children- good children with AWARE parents (like a lot of people on this forum) are going to be needed if the masses can't awaken quickly enough. They will of course but we may need to encourage it by having a few more Enlightened Mini-Folk popping into Existence...

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[ngawaka19]

But why would they want to be parents? Mammal instinct? Social conditioning? Illuminati battery programming?

Notice that I am being deliberately nasty and politically incorrect as hell here to try to penetrate into the deeper subconscious levels of the mind. :D

They fell in love I guess.........

[ngawaka19]

NGAW, what is your culture? You have some interesting comments and perspectives!:)


Maori from Aotearoa (New Zealand)

[nickatnoon61]

Maori from Aotearoa (New Zealand)

Thank you........