RV, AP, OBE Questions: What's the difference?

[biblegirl]

What are the differences in remote viewing, astral projection, and out of body experiences? Are they all the same?

Also while you are experiencing these, is your body vacant as in available for something else to get in? Or can you be multiple places at once?

Obviously I'm a little new to these subjects, any information is helpful. Thanks :).

[asha loka]

RV: picking up information from remote locations. You don't have to take any of your bodies with you.

AP: A deliberate OBE. Also visits to other dimensions of experience (e.g. the aethyrs in Enochian Magic.) Often starts with a strong feeling of vibration and other special effects.

OBE: A very literal moving-without-a-physical-body experience. Can also be experienced as flying dreams, especially if they're vivid and the locations are recognisable. Can be accidental.

Possession isn't completely unheard of, but it seems to be extremely rare. Supposedly people leave their bodies every night, so if it were easy you'd see a lot more of it. Too much substance abuse is probably more dangerous than OBEs.

[krakhead]

What are the differences in remote viewing, astral projection, and out of body experiences? Are they all the same?

Also while you are experiencing these, is your body vacant as in available for something else to get in? Or can you be multiple places at once?

Obviously I'm a little new to these subjects, any information is helpful. Thanks :).

IMO - RV can be as little as picking up feelings about someone/where or can involve complete visions of something happening many miles away. Doesn't involve losing consciousness of your body.

AP - close your eyes and imagine you are on a beach. Done it? THAT'S astral travel. If you can do it so completely you lose body awareness and feel IN your vision then you can do some great astral work/exploring etc. Again - does not involve leaving your physical self.

OOBE - consciousness leaves the physical body and 'moves' within the aetheric levels of the physical plane. Actually involves leaving the body.

RV - no danger to self

AP - psychological danger if not properly prepared/centered - you can open up some deep, dark emotions, which will present themselves to you in very 'real' ways - like in a very lucid dream.

OOBE - If planned and prepared for properly - little risk, but if not prepared, or if unintentional, then exposure to other, possibly negative, influences a risk.

All of this is in my opinion. An opinion which was formed from experience, not from books or people who have had bad experiences due to their lack of preparation and care who tell you all sorts of horrible, scary things that WILL definitely happen to you unless you believe in (insert your favourite saviour here)

:D

[element]

I've become aware during dreams many times, and had to go back to my physical body again when I wanted to go back. I see my surroundings, town, sky and everything else in great detail in such 'dreams'. Last week I saw the sunrise in my 'dream' while being outside in the sky. When I woke up and looked out of the window, it looked exactly the same!

Whether there is harm depends on your own state you are in. If you have a lot of fears you will attract that. If you have bad dreams a lot I would fix that out first before thinking of any of these things at all!

Good point of Krakhead, your emotions can create their own monsters. I've seen many movie and videogame figures (some bad, most neutral though) and they're not real as we think they are, though 'real' for (s)he who experienced it. Because it is part of your state of being and it tells something about yourself. Our mind does have insane power.

[bsmurph83]

What are the differences in remote viewing, astral projection, and out of body experiences? Are they all the same?

Also while you are experiencing these, is your body vacant as in available for something else to get in? Or can you be multiple places at once?

Obviously I'm a little new to these subjects, any information is helpful. Thanks :).


the problem with trying to categorise psi phenomena is the massive amount of overlapping that occurs. RV is just RV, until you really become one with the place you are viewing remotely, at which point some consider it bilocation or out of body travel.

Don DeGracia, a biochemist, wrote a book about his OBEs. he posits that the OBE, lucid dream and astral projection are essentially the same thing. it's hard to argue with his perspective. google search him and you'll find his site and can d/l his ebooks. Beyond the Physical is brilliant.

if you go OB, i'd suggest setting the room up so it has a nice atmosphere and isn't likely to draw any astral nasties, but the short answer is no, you aren't going to suddenly find you can't get 'back in' your body because someone else has jumped in. the other posts about fear are significant. if you are really fearful of what you might encounter, find a way beyond it, because the astral plane is highly responsive to thought. our thoughts are essentially beacons. if you emanate fear, you attract something to be afraid of. if you emanate love, you might draw a loved one in spirit, or an intelligent non-human being or what-have-you. The possibilities are endless.

Robert Monroe's books are recommended reading material if you're serious about going OB, in my view. Then get his OBE CD (see the Monroe Institute website).

enjoy!

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[metacomet]

AP - close your eyes and imagine you are on a beach. Done it? THAT'S astral travel.

Huh. I remember it involving a bit more than that to get to the vibration or 'swaying motions' part of AP. Full body relaxation required, as well as quiet and calm atmosphere at the moment, all the pre-requisites for a good night sleep except you need to be able to keep a clear mind for at least 5 minutes, no thoughts or feelings of anticipation. This is all much more involved than just closing your eyes and imagining something. But after a while, it is fascinating to watch those things manifest visually.

Deep meditation should be studied (for relaxation at first) before attempting anything beyond Lucid Dreams in my opinion. People will be too easily frustrated if they don't learn to be thoughtless for a time before attempting these things, I'm sure you agree.


OOBE - If planned and prepared for properly - little risk, but if not prepared, or if unintentional, then exposure to other, possibly negative, influences a risk.


There's no way to avoid exposure to negativity except to not think about it. If we go into the astral with a preconception that we might see something we will be too anxious to properly project!

You will see what you expect to see during the hypnagogic stage of an AP because the mind is manifesting your thoughts. I have never seen anything scary while manifesting my 'happy place'.

[kimi]

What are the differences in remote viewing, astral projection, and out of body experiences? Are they all the same?


There is some mess in terminology, but who cares about labels?


Also while you are experiencing these, is your body vacant as in available for something else to get in? Or can you be multiple places at once?


A common fear :)

If it will ever happen to You, that You will find out in a NORMAL dream that You are dreaming and You will make wish that You want to Wake up, You will experience that to wake up You need to travel back to Your body. So the only way to make our body safe is... to never ever go to sleep :D

Multiple places at once? yes!

Imagine Your self a big pink elephant on a yellow Cloud and congratulation You just were at 2 places at once ;)

Disapointed? to be at 2 places at once is very similiar to something like that, well maybe more problems with head :D

[relax]

Search youtube 'coast to coast astral projection', theres a user called thedudeinok who has a great collection of vids, they're a must watch for any questions or curiosities on astral projection.

[xpleet]

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Also while you are experiencing these, is your body vacant as in available for something else to get in? Or can you be multiple places at once?

Yes it can happen, but there's a natural "silver chord" keeping that from happen. As long as your silver chord is attached, no matter where you go, if something causes your body to jerk, you will clinge back to your body just like in sleep.

However, you can consciously sever your tie to the physical body and some psy-drugs can wash up your multi dimensional body-complex so that another consciousness can invade and kick you out, or you both manage to house the body, which is known as Schizophrenia.

[biblegirl]

Thank you for the replies everyone, a lot of this I have never heard before and is very interesting to me! I am one of those people who has had unintentional OBEs (AP?) since childhood and now I'm interested in figuring it out, and hopefully getting it under control. I will check out those vids, relax. I had another OBE this morning and fortunately I stayed optimistic and decided I would just enjoy the ride, rather than fear I wouldn't make it back to my body. I couldn't exactly "aim" myself where I wanted to be though, lol! I was hoping for a galaxy star exploring experience but ended up floating above an ocean instead :D.

Also I was wondering how I appear to people or animals who can see me during an OBE, I don't feel like I look like a human but more like a light. Maybe an orb? Or a ghost-type look? Anyone know? Hmm...

[bsmurph83]

it would depend on the individual's level of clairvoyance. most people - being undeveloped - would not perceive you at all.

if you know a truly great clairvoyant, visit them and see if they can tell you're there :D

if you read Monroe's books, you'll learn a lot. to one woman he appeared as a sort of filmy, grey sort of mist (the word 'chiffon' was used to describe the textural appearance). then again, a lot of ghost sightings and spirit contacts feature much more detail than this. depends on who's projecting and who's watching.

[curtaincat]

About the 'silver cord' thing, ever since childhood, every now and then, when someone just walks straight across my path, as if they didnt even see me, i have automatically 'stepped' over where they just passed. ( not with every single person, of course, because some are just bad-mannered), but with some people it is almost as if i feel something 'different' about them. ( they look like everyday people).

i wonder if i am subconsciously stepping over an invisible silver cord and somehow i picked up they are astral-travelling from another place.

i had forgotten about this until i read this thread, because it hasn't happened in many years. Amazing, i just remembered cos of reading this thread. wow!