Swine flu, is it targeting "expensive" soc groups?

[rhydra]

Asthma, obesity, people who have "underlying medical conditions" and are costing the NHS millions, a health service is planned in the US, they don't want it filled with "unhealthy" people.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN1053710520090711

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - People who are obese but otherwise healthy may be at special risk of severe complications and death from the new H1N1 swine flu virus, U.S. researchers reported on Friday.

They described the cases of 10 patients at a Michigan hospital who were so ill they had to be put on ventilators. Three died. Nine of the 10 were obese, seven were severely obese, including two of the three who died.

The study, published in advance in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's weekly report on death and disease, also suggests doctors can safely double the usual dose of oseltamivir, Roche AG's antiviral drug sold under the Tamiflu brand name.

"What this suggests is that there can be severe complications associated with this virus infection, especially in severely obese patients," said CDC virus expert Dr. Tim Uyeki.

"And five of these patients had ... evidence of blood clots in the lungs. This has not been previously known to occur in patients with severe influenza virus infections," Uyeki said in a telephone interview.

For a long time now fat people have been accused of being a drain on the health service, a financial timebomb, yet it is the poorer social groups who are more likely to be obese because the cheaper foods are more likely to cause obesity. It seems that there is a lot going on here. It seems that the NWO's clearout of the poor and the poorly has started.

[jkdt0077]

Asthma, obesity, people who have "underlying medical conditions" and are costing the NHS millions, a health service is planned in the US, they don't want it filled with "unhealthy" people.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN1053710520090711



For a long time now fat people have been accused of being a drain on the health service, a financial timebomb, yet it is the poorer social groups who are more likely to be obese because the cheaper foods are more likely to cause obesity. It seems that there is a lot going on here. It seems that the NWO's clearout of the poor and the poorly has started.

Hmm, I don't think so to be honest. They spend billions on getting us unhealthy in the first place. Junk food, GM foods, chemicals here, there and everywhere. It doesn't make sense that they would do all this only to then go and kill the unhealthy people.

[entrainment]

Asthma, obesity, people who have "underlying medical conditions" and are costing the NHS millions, a health service is planned in the US, they don't want it filled with "unhealthy" people.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN1053710520090711



For a long time now fat people have been accused of being a drain on the health service, a financial timebomb, yet it is the poorer social groups who are more likely to be obese because the cheaper foods are more likely to cause obesity. It seems that there is a lot going on here. It seems that the NWO's clearout of the poor and the poorly has started.

In the falorn attempt to get people to wake up to the bulshit health & Safety propaganda that is Smoking I kept saying to them you just wait and see today it is smoking but you wait they will come after the fatties next lol

Swine Flu targets fat people :mad:

[cleopatraxxx]

Hmm, I don't think so to be honest. They spend billions on getting us unhealthy in the first place. Junk food, GM foods, chemicals here, there and everywhere. It doesn't make sense that they would do all this only to then go and kill the unhealthy people.

have a read and see what you make of all this now:
this PDF i downloaded today from some link onf hte forum here related to the swine flu...if i could only get the link again...ehh...
"The Sustainability of Human Populations:
How many People can Live on Earth
Martin Desvaux PhD MInstP CPhys

Introduction
There is nothing new about the relationship between population size and land. As early as 470 BC Plato asserted: “A suitable total for the number of citizens cannot be fixed without considering the land…” The Greeks, for all their knowledge at that time, could not even begin to conceive of the vast tracts of land that existed for human exploitation. They were therefore justifiably concerned about the sustainability of their population by their limited view of what was available to them. Today, when we have come to know more fully the extent of the world and its carrying capacity, it seems that many people may have lost sight of Plato’s wisdom. This paper sets out to place the current world population trends in the context of “considering the land”.
...

Conclusion
The Global Network footprint statistics show that, globally, we left sustainability behind during the late 1980s. Since then, increasing world affluence and populations have driven us deeper into unsustainable territory. The carbon dioxide emissions of each country pollute the atmosphere for every other nation and the human urge to improve its affluence, or impact through technology – no matter how well off it already is – is a driver that seems set to continue. It follows that if it is not possible to constrain affluence and technology, then the only parameter left to constrain and reduce is population. The ecological footprinting data analysed in this paper have given guidelines. A sustainable global population is around two to three billion people – providing the world settles for a mean ecological footprint somewhere in the range of 3.5 to 5.5 gha/cap; for the UK, the corresponding figure works out at between 17 and 27 million.
The means of achieving such goals lie beyond the scope of this paper; however, there is extensive literature and research on the techniques involved in successful family planning and population limitation programmes, both on the website of the Optimum Population Trust and elsewhere, and there are many practical examples of states that have introduced them, and reaped corresponding benefits. Politicians need to demonstrate courage and leadership on this issue: they must not only persuade their nations to accept the necessity of smaller families but also provide the means for people to reduce their family size. Failure to do so risks the worst population crash in the history of humankind.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Acknowledgement
The author wishes to acknowledge Andrew Ferguson, research co-ordinator of the Optimum Population Trust, for his helpful comments and suggestions during the preparation of this paper.
Author Notes:
Dr Martin Desvaux graduated as a physicist from London University in 1963. After obtaining a doctorate, he was appointed a fellow of the Alexander von Humboldt Foundation and continued research at the Institut für Metalphysik in Göttingen. A former research director at ERA Technology, he is a member of the Institute of Physics and a trustee of the Optimum Population Trust.
Publication Note:
This paper is an updated version of a talk delivered to the Royal Society of Statisticians (RSS) and subsequently published in the RSS Journal, Significance The definitive version is available at www.blackwell-synergy.com.
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[cleopatraxxx]

[B][SIZE="5"]Health workers first in line for vaccine (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/ferguswalsh/)

Fergus Walsh | 17:36 UK time, Monday, 13 July 2009

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The World Health Organisation has said that healthcare workers should get priority access to vaccination against H1N1 swine flu.

Dr Marie-Paule Kieny, WHO director of the Initiative for Vaccine Research, reiterated the message that the virus was "unstoppable" and all countries would need access to a vaccine.

She said healthcare workers should be the main priority group for vaccination, to protect them from the risk of infection, and to ensure they could continue to treat patients with a range of illnesses.

Her comments came as news emerged of the death of the first healthcare worker in the UK with swine flu.

Dr Michael Day_copyright NHSDr Michael Day, a GP, died on Saturday in the Luton and Dunstable Hospital. A swab test showed that he had the virus, but the exact cause of death has yet to be established.

Paying tribute to Dr Day, the chief medical officer for England, Sir Liam Donaldson said: "It is a very sad case. He was a very dedicated doctor, loved by his patients."

He added, " It won't be much more than a relatively mild illness for most people and not everyone will get it in the first wave of attacks. In past experience of pandemics its been no more than 30-35% of the population and then in succeeding flu seasons others get it". He said this made vaccination very important.

Dr Day's death, together with that of a six-year-old girl brings to 17 the number of fatalities linked to the virus in the UK. Chloe Buckley, from north west London died on Thursday. A post-mortem examination will be carried out to determine if she had any underlying health conditions.

Dr Marie-Paule Kieny, presented feedback from a meeting on 7 July of SAGE, the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization, who advise the WHO and member states.

She added that, in no particular order, other priority groups for vaccination would be pregnant women, anyone over six months with chronic health conditions such as respiratory problems, healthy adults under the age of 49, healthy children and healthy elderly people. Clearly this includes whole populations so governments will have to decide which groups to protect first.

Dr Kieny said that obesity had been noted as a risk factor but experts are unsure whether it is obesity itself or the health conditions that arise from it. People with a BMI (body mass index) of over 30 and especially over 40 had been noted as having a higher chance of severe disease.

Problems with vaccine yield

Dr Kieny said vaccine yields had so far been poor but manufacturers were looking at alternative strains which might increase output. Most flu vaccines are grown in eggs and it seems that H1N1 swine flu is producing less yield than other seasonal flu strains.

"Some strains are good yielders and some are bad," said Dr Kieny.

"It is not a severe problem yet," she added, as the production is enough to do the clinical trials needed to test the vaccine and other, better yielding strains may emerge. These will be generated from the WHO laboratory networks around the world having isolated samples from patients with the virus.

So Dr Kieny sounded a note of reassurance, but if the low yield continues, then it would spell problems for the amount of vaccine that could be produced.

Analysis of H1N1 virus

I'd also like to draw your attention to some research just published in Nature, analysing the H1N1 virus.

Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin, who led the study found that the virus showed a greater ability to infect that lungs than seasonal flu viruses. Tests in animals confirmed studies that show the swine flu strain can spread beyond the upper respiratory tract and go deeper into the lungs, makng it more likely to cause pneumonia.

Commenting on the paper Professor Ian Jones, Director of Research, University of Reading, said:

"This complete analysis of the current H1N1 is what we've been waiting for. For a number of measures it shows that the new virus is more serious than seasonal H1N1 but that, nonetheless, the major outcome to infection is recovery. For the few cases of severe infection, the data should help in the clinical management of hospitalised patients.

Wendy Barclay, chair in influenza virology at Imperial college London, said:

"This is an absolutely solid piece of thorough research that confirms and extends what was published in Science Express last week. By comparison with a seasonal human H1N1 virus, it is shown that the swine origin H1N1 infect cells deeper into the respiratory tract. It must be borne in mind that typical circulating human strains of H1N1 have been associated with rather mild illness in recent years, and that the swine origin H1N1 may be behaving in these animal models more alike the type of H3N2 viruses that caused a pandemic in 1968."

they want to kill the doctors first! may be because they are the ones who know more about the lie about the swine flu? after doctors die they will have police and military vaccinating us!!!!:eek:

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[melinda980]

Asthma, obesity, people who have "underlying medical conditions" and are costing the NHS millions, a health service is planned in the US, they don't want it filled with "unhealthy" people.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN1053710520090711



For a long time now fat people have been accused of being a drain on the health service, a financial timebomb, yet it is the poorer social groups who are more likely to be obese because the cheaper foods are more likely to cause obesity. It seems that there is a lot going on here. It seems that the NWO's clearout of the poor and the poorly has started.

This doesn't surprise me. After living in the USA for a few years I can say that most of their food is of worse quality than ours is. If you were to purchase cheap bread for a dollar you would get a stale loaf containing a toxic list of chemicals over an inch long - and this is without the unlisted pesticides. This is typical of over 85% of food bought there. Over here we can at least get our bread without overtly listed toxins far more easily than the Americans, even though our food is not good either. In the US you have to go specifically to a natural food or organic store to get this. Their food is riddled with toxic chemical additives and this is one of the main reasons many Americans come across as being 'less in brain power,' for want of a better expression, than British people. Good food costs 200% more than fast food, which is why so many poorer Americans are in such bad health and flood the hospitals.

[freedom1st]

they want to kill the doctors first! may be because they are the ones who know more about the lie about the swine flu? after doctors die they will have police and military vaccinating us!!!!:eek:

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I think the vaccine that will be given to the doctors/health workers will probably have different ingredients in it.

[rhydra]

Thing is, it is a two pronged attack. There is a virus, it targets specific groups, such as those with excess fat and who are asthmatic and with lowered immune systems, probably from toxins put in certain types of food for that specific reason. The second prong is the vaccine which more toxic versions will be given to specific individuals and communities who fall outside the main groups to be exterminated.

[cornilouse]

Thing is, it is a two pronged attack. There is a virus, it targets specific groups, such as those with excess fat and who are asthmatic and with lowered immune systems, probably from toxins put in certain types of food for that specific reason. The second prong is the vaccine which more toxic versions will be given to specific individuals and communities who fall outside the main groups to be exterminated.


as all of society all of us within the pyramid, it is unlikely that different versions of the vaccine will be targeted at different people within the same centers, what i mean is:

batch's are shipped out to wherever they are being administered, the people administering the vaccine, know as much of the plan as we do, it would be too difficult to organise and keep it quiet

[entrainment]

only the blonde haired blue eyed super fit shall suvive

[cleopatraxxx]

have a read and see what you make of all this now:
this PDF i downloaded today from some link onf hte forum here related to the swine flu...if i could only get the link again...ehh...
"The Sustainability of Human Populations:
How many People can Live on Earth
Martin Desvaux PhD MInstP CPhys

Introduction
There is nothing new about the relationship between population size and land. As early as 470 BC Plato asserted: “A suitable total for the number of citizens cannot be fixed without considering the land…” The Greeks, for all their knowledge at that time, could not even begin to conceive of the vast tracts of land that existed for human exploitation. They were therefore justifiably concerned about the sustainability of their population by their limited view of what was available to them. Today, when we have come to know more fully the extent of the world and its carrying capacity, it seems that many people may have lost sight of Plato’s wisdom. This paper sets out to place the current world population trends in the context of “considering the land”.
...

Conclusion
The Global Network footprint statistics show that, globally, we left sustainability behind during the late 1980s. Since then, increasing world affluence and populations have driven us deeper into unsustainable territory. The carbon dioxide emissions of each country pollute the atmosphere for every other nation and the human urge to improve its affluence, or impact through technology – no matter how well off it already is – is a driver that seems set to continue. It follows that if it is not possible to constrain affluence and technology, then the only parameter left to constrain and reduce is population. The ecological footprinting data analysed in this paper have given guidelines. A sustainable global population is around two to three billion people – providing the world settles for a mean ecological footprint somewhere in the range of 3.5 to 5.5 gha/cap; for the UK, the corresponding figure works out at between 17 and 27 million.
The means of achieving such goals lie beyond the scope of this paper; however, there is extensive literature and research on the techniques involved in successful family planning and population limitation programmes, both on the website of the Optimum Population Trust and elsewhere, and there are many practical examples of states that have introduced them, and reaped corresponding benefits. Politicians need to demonstrate courage and leadership on this issue: they must not only persuade their nations to accept the necessity of smaller families but also provide the means for people to reduce their family size. Failure to do so risks the worst population crash in the history of humankind.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Acknowledgement
The author wishes to acknowledge Andrew Ferguson, research co-ordinator of the Optimum Population Trust, for his helpful comments and suggestions during the preparation of this paper.
Author Notes:
Dr Martin Desvaux graduated as a physicist from London University in 1963. After obtaining a doctorate, he was appointed a fellow of the Alexander von Humboldt Foundation and continued research at the Institut für Metalphysik in Göttingen. A former research director at ERA Technology, he is a member of the Institute of Physics and a trustee of the Optimum Population Trust.
Publication Note:
This paper is an updated version of a talk delivered to the Royal Society of Statisticians (RSS) and subsequently published in the RSS Journal, Significance The definitive version is available at www.blackwell-synergy.com.
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LINK: (http://www.ukcolumn.org/) in Documents, find the title: OPT: UK “Overpopulated” By 70%, by pressing it you will be redirected to a download of the file i posted excerpts above. " The Sustainability of Human Populations:
How many People can Live on Earth"

[asgard]

Overpopulation and 'unsustainability' is bollocks. The late great R Buckminster Fuller proved as far back as 1977 (and got scientific validation) that there is enough resources for everyone on earth, and that no matter the population we could have all our needs met. IF THE SYSTEM WAS CHANGED.

"They" have no intention of changing the current System though. It's a Malthusian Agenda that requires depopulation in order for them to continue exploiting the Earth and it's resources, and maintain control over everything.

Change this corrupt system and there is no need for depopulation. Even Food Aid said there were bumper grain yeilds last year and there is no need for people to starve. However they can't afford to buy the food as the prices have been manipulated. The Earth can sustain us, the current SYSTEM can't.

It's not the people which have to go, it's the friggin' System.

http://www.bfi.org/our_programs/who_is_buckminster_fuller

[ambersky]

Asthma, obesity, people who have "underlying medical conditions" and are costing the NHS millions, a health service is planned in the US, they don't want it filled with "unhealthy" people.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN1053710520090711



For a long time now fat people have been accused of being a drain on the health service, a financial timebomb, yet it is the poorer social groups who are more likely to be obese because the cheaper foods are more likely to cause obesity. It seems that there is a lot going on here. It seems that the NWO's clearout of the poor and the poorly has started.

I have just heard on BBC news that 3 London boroughs are the worst hit so far.
Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets.
These are 3 of the poorest areas in London. I live in one of them.

I think the numbers are too small for anyone to draw any meaningful conclusions from yet.

The reporting is crap anyway. Lack of detail.

[justawake]

My mother works in our local health centre and overheard a doctor saying there was no way that he'd give tamiflu to his kids.

[jesuitsdidit]

wot about colloidal silver?

[jesuitsdidit]

My mother works in our local health centre and overheard a doctor saying there was no way that he'd give tamiflu to his kids.

quote of the decade, i'd say..

[offspring of eve]

After being "coughed" at by an old, English, man today, a co worker said to me "IT'S ALL THEM POLES BRINGING IT IN !!!! " My reply to her is not printable!!

[ambersky]

I found this.

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/swine-flu-490x452.jpg